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| 06:50.48 | herlo | mindjuju: pong |
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| 14:34.54 | timinator | morning guys |
| 14:35.08 | thebigdog | morning |
| 14:35.31 | timinator | well, hello thebigdog |
| 14:35.36 | timinator | how was your weekend? |
| 14:35.54 | thebigdog | ok, not bad at all |
| 14:36.26 | timinator | good deal |
| 14:36.29 | thebigdog | really didnt do much but clean house |
| 14:36.51 | timinator | how's the littledog? |
| 14:38.24 | thebigdog | he is doing good...he is 2 and running the house with an iron fist |
| 14:39.03 | timinator | LOL |
| 14:39.17 | timinator | a cute, little, iron fist |
| 14:40.07 | timinator | the little timinator is 4.5 mo old.... we just got enough hair to put it into a mohawk over the weekend |
| 14:43.25 | thebigdog | nice |
| 14:43.33 | thebigdog | my boy love the fo-hawk |
| 14:43.51 | thebigdog | anyone use fckeditor? |
| 14:48.19 | timinator | not I |
| 14:58.03 | thebigdog | k |
| 14:58.22 | thebigdog | cool thing i can write a plugin with it...just wondering if anyone has written one |
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| 15:08.58 | mindjuju | hey, thebigdog you around? |
| 15:09.07 | mindjuju | ~APB Herlo |
| 15:09.07 | jbot | ACTION summons Duane Lee to find Herlo |
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| 15:15.31 | PoeticIntensity | holy cow, it's been forever.... |
| 15:15.36 | PoeticIntensity | mornin' peeps. |
| 15:16.01 | mindjuju | sup PoeticIntensity |
| 15:18.09 | PoeticIntensity | just got back from crazy vacation-week for the Jones family. |
| 15:18.25 | PoeticIntensity | and believe it or not, I'm thrilled to be back at work. |
| 15:19.08 | mgeary | oh wait.... |
| 15:19.09 | mgeary | ;) |
| 15:19.17 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 15:19.28 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, I see you've been keeping up on my trip, eh'? |
| 15:19.48 | mgeary | your mother-in-law is now famous among us |
| 15:19.54 | PoeticIntensity | oh crap. |
| 15:20.14 | PoeticIntensity | crazy, crazy, crazy... |
| 15:20.49 | PoeticIntensity | 90% of it was *great*...... |
| 15:20.56 | PoeticIntensity | 10% of it was almost unbearable. |
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| 15:24.41 | orsonj | PoeticIntensity's mother-in-law-- |
| 15:24.55 | orsonj | or ++ on entertainment value for those not directly involved. |
| 15:26.28 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i am |
| 15:27.26 | PoeticIntensity | orsonj, I'm gonna work on the site a bit this week. Hopefully we'll be able to edit entries soon. :) |
| 15:28.05 | mindjuju | thebigdog , can you remind me the name of the restaurant we decided on for Geek lunch. Was it Chipotle or was it that sandwich place? |
| 15:28.09 | mindjuju | i think it was Chipotle |
| 15:28.26 | thebigdog | chipotle i guess not sure |
| 15:29.04 | mindjuju | can you still go this weekend? |
| 15:29.12 | thebigdog | what day? |
| 15:29.12 | mindjuju | oops, i mean this friday |
| 15:29.21 | thebigdog | yeah i should be good to go |
| 15:29.41 | thebigdog | ill put in some extra hours so i can take the afternoon off |
| 15:29.50 | mindjuju | awesome, i think we said 1p on Tierra 's advice that Chip gets busy with lunch crowd |
| 15:51.31 | herlo | mindjuju: pong |
| 15:55.30 | herlo | ~lart mindjuju |
| 15:55.30 | jbot | moos at mindjuju |
| 15:55.36 | mindjuju | hey! |
| 15:55.43 | mgeary | ohh, that's a mean one |
| 15:55.45 | mindjuju | we should do IRC ping pong |
| 15:56.00 | mindjuju | where if you don't respond with in 2 minutes of a ping, you loose a point |
| 15:59.16 | mindjuju | oops, shinning star |
| 16:00.04 | mindjuju | ooooh... mgeary has shifted into odysseus ! shape shifting! |
| 16:02.59 | iron_fist | ~nickometer iron_fist |
| 16:03.04 | iron_fist | awww |
| 16:04.47 | fernplant | orsonj - the crane defensive position, is like the Karate Kid, Crane Technique except you have to do it while walking on your hands |
| 16:13.16 | herlo | ~lart herlo_ |
| 16:13.16 | jbot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in herlo_'s direction, hitting herlo_ and sending herlo_ flying into the closet |
| 16:13.32 | mindjuju | herlo_ changed his name several times |
| 16:13.37 | mindjuju | but he's now mgeary |
| 16:13.59 | mgeary | hah |
| 16:14.42 | mgeary | incidentally, did you know why a White Rhinoceros is called a "White Rhinoceros" when it's really fairly darkish grey? |
| 16:15.08 | mindjuju | cause the naming scientist couldn't perceive colors well? |
| 16:16.02 | mgeary | nope. it's a poor translation |
| 16:16.33 | mgeary | in Afrikaans, it was "Weit" which means "wide". The "White" Rhino has a wider mouth than the Black Rhino |
| 16:16.50 | mgeary | there ya go. learned something today |
| 16:16.57 | mindjuju | is the black rhino really black? |
| 16:17.17 | mgeary | well, it's a bit darker than the other one, but that's more coincidence than not, methinks |
| 16:17.29 | mgeary | it might be Black just because the other one was "white" |
| 16:17.30 | mindjuju | curious |
| 16:17.40 | mgeary | ~wiki White_Rhinoceros |
| 16:18.15 | mgeary | yep, sure enough |
| 16:18.23 | mgeary | Black became black because "Weit" was white |
| 16:18.23 | mgeary | hah |
| 16:19.01 | mgeary | though apparently it's Wyd, not Weit |
| 17:19.14 | mindjuju | herlo , don't know if you stay away from girls who could beat you up, but if not, this person is date-able -- http://home.netspeed.com.au/e_h_tersono/AC130_gunner!.jpg |
| 17:19.29 | mindjuju | safe for work |
| 17:23.01 | wps | she's pretty |
| 17:24.12 | wps | is that just some pic you found, mindjuju? |
| 17:24.17 | wps | or do you really know her? |
| 17:24.28 | mindjuju | it was on Digg |
| 17:24.48 | mindjuju | but i could track her with the info on the pic if you want |
| 17:26.08 | wps | oh, I am not interested… I was just wondering if it was a real person or if that was a photoshop job/joke |
| 17:28.39 | mindjuju | here she is in Airman Nov 2003 |
| 17:28.39 | mindjuju | http://www.af.mil/news/airman/1103/gunssb1.html |
| 17:28.47 | mindjuju | with same pic |
| 17:29.56 | wps | that's cool |
| 17:30.19 | thebigdog | herlo, you need to email her |
| 17:30.28 | thebigdog | he loves guns...how cool is that |
| 17:30.39 | wps | I bet her inbox is filling very fast if that was in Digg |
| 17:30.48 | thebigdog | you could go shooting 50s with her on a date |
| 17:33.36 | wps | someone mind jogging my memory? |
| 17:33.52 | wps | I am still no good at reading this quick syntax |
| 17:33.59 | wps | asdf ? asdf : asdf |
| 17:34.16 | mgeary | if asdf then asdf else asdf |
| 17:34.49 | mgeary | $wps = $somebool ? true : false |
| 17:35.15 | wps | and especially because my coworkers puts them inside of others |
| 17:35.29 | wps | soooo hard to read |
| 17:35.35 | mgeary | yeah |
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| 17:47.01 | timinator | wps: I love them because you can throw an if() statement inside an echo |
| 17:47.46 | mgeary | ...which suggests that you're mixing application and display logic... ;) |
| 17:48.48 | _psychic_ | echo ($status == 3 ? 'green' : 'yellow'); |
| 17:49.01 | mgeary | :) |
| 17:49.18 | thebigdog | mgeary depends on how you use it |
| 17:49.32 | timinator | mgeary :) |
| 17:49.35 | mgeary | yeah, was ribbing him. sheesh all you anti-smarty nazis.... |
| 17:49.40 | mgeary | :D |
| 17:49.42 | timinator | totally depends on how you use it |
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| 18:07.44 | mgeary | anyone here have experience using fontforge from the command line? |
| 18:10.43 | timinator | poor, poor britney |
| 18:11.13 | mgeary | what'd she do now? |
| 18:11.38 | timinator | a lousy performance |
| 18:11.47 | mgeary | and we're surprised? |
| 18:11.48 | timinator | for some awards ceremony |
| 18:11.56 | timinator | it was BAD |
| 18:13.25 | timinator | not bad as in, that's-not-my-style-of-music bad; but bad as in, I-don't-care-anymore bad |
| 18:13.57 | mgeary | well, i think most people only cared when she could be described as "attractive". that time has passed, i think |
| 18:23.06 | mindjuju | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 18:23.07 | jbot | dataw0lf <i=dataw0lf@stderr.ws> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 31d 18h 35m 15s ago, saying: 'fungus: argh, you got to it first ;)'. |
| 18:23.23 | herlo | thebigdog: I'm not interested in women with big guns! |
| 18:23.29 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:23.35 | mindjuju | ample guns? |
| 18:23.55 | herlo | mindjuju: those are bullets |
| 18:24.24 | mindjuju | so you do like your women with ample bullets, but not big ? |
| 18:24.35 | herlo | uhh, sure |
| 18:24.46 | mindjuju | curious |
| 18:27.23 | timinator | how would one describe guns as "ample" but not "big"? |
| 18:29.05 | mindjuju | ample, it would seems would be B - > C , big would be D ->DD, ginormous -> DDD -> DDDD and HOLY FREAKIN' COW - DDDDD+ |
| 18:31.38 | mgeary | ~fontforge++ |
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| 18:41.46 | wps | does both… |
| 18:41.49 | wps | { else if } |
| 18:41.51 | wps | …and… |
| 18:41.59 | wps | { elseif } |
| 18:42.01 | wps | …work in PHP? |
| 18:42.25 | mgeary | i've only ever used elseif |
| 18:43.10 | SunSparc | They are the same |
| 18:43.21 | SunSparc | Both acceptable |
| 18:43.37 | SunSparc | From what I have read and tried. |
| 18:53.37 | influx^^ | Looks like I'll have to ask in here. :] |
| 18:54.25 | influx^^ | *ahem* Excuse, me gents and ladies: What, pray tell, does make a person a php ninja? |
| 18:56.25 | influx^^ | heh |
| 18:57.16 | influx^^ | tierra tells me it's someone who works with it daily and knows enough that looking up the reference is not often necessary. |
| 18:58.35 | tierra | I'd say either that, or someone who knows how to kill a person with a PHP script |
| 19:03.48 | mgeary | someone who prides themselves on not ever checking the reference is just showing hubris |
| 19:04.16 | mgeary | i think it's a great idea to scan the reference frequently. new stuff always seems to jump out |
| 19:14.18 | mgeary | i've got a file on a samba share that i can't delete. It's telling me "Text file busy". I assume that something on the windows machine won't let go of this file...? |
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| 19:16.12 | _psychic_ | it's another meaningless term people shouldn't use. Like PHP rockstar. |
| 19:17.00 | thebigdog | mgeary, probably |
| 19:17.07 | influx^^ | heh |
| 19:17.17 | influx^^ | i saw that term used in a design posting |
| 19:17.18 | thebigdog | mgeary, or another process has it |
| 19:18.01 | thebigdog | notch above rockstar |
| 19:18.31 | _psychic_ | s/Rockstar/Rockstr/ |
| 19:28.31 | mindjuju | ugh, i hate it when people want to store project management info in an excel sheet |
| 19:29.34 | mindjuju | that's like those people who steal grocery carts, push then 4 miles down the road to the house and unloading, then leave the cart nearby |
| 19:29.42 | mindjuju | wrong tool and it looks stupid |
| 19:30.16 | mgeary | hah. we've got an ad agency client, and they've sent us images in an Excel file. We're meant to copy & paste them out. A 200 meg spreadsheet |
| 19:30.49 | mindjuju | k, you got me there, that's mind-boggling worse |
| 19:31.46 | _psychic_ | ! |
| 19:33.06 | influx^^ | mgeary: I have to fish images out of a pdf. |
| 19:33.23 | mgeary | ugh |
| 19:34.05 | mindjuju | influx^^ -- i hate that |
| 19:34.32 | mindjuju | a GD we contracted with did that, I had them call him up and send me a PSD |
| 19:34.47 | influx^^ | Yeah. I would never do that to someone. |
| 19:35.42 | mindjuju | ~thebigdog |
| 19:35.43 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, thebigdog is a guroob, or the sql guru, or a GWAR Groupie |
| 19:35.56 | thebigdog | thats right |
| 19:36.04 | mindjuju | jbot, thebigdog is also mindjuju's sword boy |
| 19:36.05 | jbot | mindjuju: okay |
| 19:36.26 | mindjuju | like from Army of Darkness |
| 19:36.56 | thebigdog | yes |
| 19:37.03 | mindjuju | ~thebigdog |
| 19:37.04 | jbot | well, thebigdog is a guroob, or the sql guru, or a GWAR Groupie, or mindjuju's sword boy |
| 19:38.12 | influx^^ | jbot, influx^^ is people |
| 19:38.12 | jbot | okay, influx^^ |
| 19:40.25 | mindjuju | for those in here that don't know what sword boy is, go to this page http://www.doubleviking.com/real-men-love-army-of-darkness-6349-p.html and look for the heading Sword Boy. That's me with my leg out and thebigdog kneeling |
| 19:41.09 | influx^^ | this is my loom stick. |
| 19:41.16 | influx^^ | ;) |
| 19:41.19 | thebigdog | boom stick |
| 19:41.26 | influx^^ | I know, I know. |
| 19:41.30 | thebigdog | ~whaleslap influx^^ |
| 19:41.31 | jbot | ACTION beats influx^^ upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 19:43.23 | mgeary | jbot, i wish you had an anagram generator |
| 19:43.24 | jbot | You wish you had an anagram generator? |
| 19:43.30 | mgeary | no, i wish YOU did |
| 19:43.41 | mgeary | that'd be fun |
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| 20:27.35 | thebigdog | sweet fckeditor rocks for creating placeholder values |
| 20:47.25 | mgeary | thebigdog: where fck falls down is in trying to have multiple serverside directories for, for example, image uploads |
| 20:47.35 | mgeary | i need to hack mine so that i can do that |
| 20:47.48 | thebigdog | oh i dont need that crap |
| 20:48.05 | thebigdog | though their java serverside imp sucks |
| 21:15.13 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, I've successfully hacked mine so it supports multiple upload directories for images.... |
| 21:15.23 | PoeticIntensity | and, I'm glad fck worked for ya, thebigdog . |
| 21:15.32 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 21:15.44 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: what was your approach? |
| 21:15.49 | PoeticIntensity | well.... |
| 21:16.00 | PoeticIntensity | Everyone who has access to it has to have logged in. |
| 21:16.06 | PoeticIntensity | thus, a variable exists in the app. |
| 21:16.19 | PoeticIntensity | I just check for / create a directory according to that var, and then upload it. |
| 21:16.29 | PoeticIntensity | so the images are user-based. |
| 21:16.36 | PoeticIntensity | it was an easy hack, actually... |
| 21:16.45 | PoeticIntensity | much easier than I thought it'd be, for sure. |
| 21:17.36 | PoeticIntensity | hope that made sense. |
| 21:17.37 | mgeary | cool. i haven't dived in to it yet, but that's similar to my needs |
| 21:17.44 | PoeticIntensity | it's *easy*. |
| 21:17.50 | PoeticIntensity | there's one php file you need to hack. |
| 21:17.58 | PoeticIntensity | I did it with .... 4-6 lines of code (don't have it in front of me) |
| 21:18.07 | mgeary | cool |
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| 21:31.59 | wps | how do you instruction a table to not have any border, margin, padding, cellspacing, or cellpadding without CSS? (the old-school way) |
| 21:32.22 | thebigdog | border="0" |
| 21:32.28 | wps | <table width="600" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> |
| 21:32.29 | thebigdog | cellspacing="0" |
| 21:32.32 | thebigdog | yep |
| 21:32.39 | wps | …still has a ~2px gab between cells |
| 21:32.56 | thebigdog | what is the url? |
| 21:33.15 | thebigdog | make sure you dont have a default for your table in css |
| 21:34.37 | wps | http://home.wadeshearer.com/tc.html |
| 21:35.56 | thebigdog | i dont see any spacing |
| 21:36.18 | PelaoFeliz | your left image is 232px, but your col is 234px -- could that be it? |
| 21:36.40 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 21:36.56 | wps | thanks :) |
| 21:37.01 | thebigdog | make your background black |
| 21:37.16 | SunSparc | That is what you get for using tables for layout. |
| 21:37.17 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 21:37.29 | wps | well, I have to :( |
| 21:37.31 | wps | this is for an email |
| 21:37.32 | influx^^ | ^5 wps |
| 21:37.34 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 21:37.37 | PelaoFeliz | how the might have fallen ;) |
| 21:37.41 | PelaoFeliz | mighty |
| 21:37.51 | influx^^ | How the mighty have fallen. :) |
| 21:37.54 | SunSparc | wps: Sorry to hear that. |
| 21:37.56 | influx^^ | fuzz |
| 21:37.58 | wps | yeah |
| 21:38.03 | wps | I hate HTML email with a raging passion |
| 21:38.18 | influx^^ | As opposed to a placid passion? |
| 21:38.26 | SunSparc | wps: Amen to that! |
| 21:38.34 | SunSparc | influx^^: lol |
| 21:39.19 | wps | agreed |
| 21:39.33 | SunSparc | There are so many reasons for doing that way, but try convincing the Sales dept of that |
| 21:39.43 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.49 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:39.57 | SunSparc | jbot, give wps a cookie |
| 21:39.58 | jbot | ACTION gives wps a home-baked macadamia nut cookie to cheer him up. |
| 21:40.07 | SunSparc | wps: ditto |
| 21:40.29 | SunSparc | Ooooh, I want one of those. I love macadamia nuts! |
| 21:40.39 | mgeary | only if they're chocolate-covered |
| 21:41.03 | SunSparc | The cookies or the nuts? |
| 21:41.06 | mgeary | which, of course, is the obligatory gift from anyone visiting from Hawaii |
| 21:41.58 | mgeary | the nuts |
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| 22:20.22 | bradym | anyone know why firefox would ignore a table width? i've tried setting it in the table tag and css and it's just being ignored.. but it works fine in IE. |
| 22:22.44 | thebigdog | bradym, url? |
| 22:24.46 | bradym | hmm... it's acting like i added nowrap to one of the fields even though I didn't.. |
| 22:24.53 | bradym | one sec, i'll put it somewhere i can show you |
| 22:25.28 | thebigdog | k |
| 22:25.34 | thebigdog | or pastebin it |
| 22:25.46 | thebigdog | ~cheers all |
| 22:27.23 | bradym | here's a pastebin: fontforge |
| 22:27.25 | bradym | ack |
| 22:27.29 | bradym | http://dpaste.com/19185/ |
| 22:30.15 | wps | Firefox is rendering it correctly fo rme |
| 22:30.22 | thebigdog | for me too |
| 22:31.54 | bradym | try putting a long url or other text without spaces in the url field.. it then ignores the width.. shouldn't it wrap the text since i haven't specified nowrap? |
| 22:32.04 | bradym | or am i just having a stupid moment? |
| 22:32.35 | thebigdog | well it cant wrap if there are no spaces |
| 22:34.16 | SunSparc | No wrapping here, even with long url's of different widths |
| 22:35.52 | bradym | interesting.. ie was using hyphens in the long url to wrap on, if i remove the hyphens it won't wrap either |
| 22:36.01 | bradym | guess that explains it |
| 22:36.24 | wps | probably more like ten years |
| 22:36.41 | thebigdog | i just wrote some killer regex |
| 22:36.41 | wps | ~lart HTML email |
| 22:36.42 | jbot | smacks HTML email up side the head with a clue-by-4 |
| 22:37.03 | wps | ~lart employers that force employees to write HTML email |
| 22:37.03 | jbot | shoots employers that force employees to write HTML email in his sleep |
| 22:37.53 | wps | I still used inline style="" for styling the text |
| 22:38.00 | wps | there is NO WAY I will used a <font> tag |
| 22:38.06 | wps | I'd rather sell my soul to the devil |
| 22:38.57 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:39.00 | wps | :) |
| 22:39.04 | SunSparc | The FONT tag truly is eveil |
| 22:39.23 | SunSparc | Wow, Dead Milkmen, have not hear them in a while. |
| 22:40.14 | thebigdog | time for some database mapping |
| 22:41.44 | wps | ARG! |
| 22:42.16 | SunSparc | ~lart MSIE |
| 22:42.16 | jbot | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at MSIE |
| 22:42.22 | mindjuju | bradym , got a web page we can look at |
| 22:42.42 | mindjuju | oh, sorry bradym, nm |
| 22:43.20 | bradym | no worries, thanks mindjuju :) |
| 22:44.17 | mindjuju | yeah, just noticed my IM was up about 20 minutes, so i saw your question and thought it was fresh |
| 22:48.45 | influx^^ | annotations? |
| 22:49.11 | thebigdog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annotation |
| 22:49.17 | influx^^ | sankyou |
| 22:49.39 | influx^^ | -_- |
| 22:49.42 | thebigdog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_annotation |
| 22:50.14 | thebigdog | attributes in c++ |
| 22:50.22 | PoeticIntensity | yo, thebigdog, what's the different between annotation and comments? |
| 22:50.38 | thebigdog | annotations are used during runtime |
| 22:50.46 | thebigdog | and can be used in code generations |
| 22:51.00 | thebigdog | for example i use annotations for my database mappings |
| 22:51.07 | PelaoFeliz | so when you put in /* don't crash! */ it keeps it from crashing ;) |
| 22:51.19 | thebigdog | i create domain objects and annotate them to be used as database mappings |
| 22:51.27 | thebigdog | PelaoFeliz, kinda |
| 22:51.56 | thebigdog | let me show example |
| 22:52.02 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 22:52.38 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 22:53.02 | thebigdog | http://dpaste.com/19188/ |
| 22:54.28 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, interesting... |
| 22:54.32 | PoeticIntensity | is that C? |
| 22:54.35 | thebigdog | java |
| 22:54.44 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
| 22:54.53 | thebigdog | that is how i map my database |
| 22:55.06 | PoeticIntensity | ah... that makes it make a bit more sense. :) |
| 22:55.22 | thebigdog | annotations are used for the mappings |
| 22:55.34 | thebigdog | normally that is done in config files |
| 22:55.43 | thebigdog | w/ annotation i can do it in the class def |
| 22:56.15 | thebigdog | and i can use the annotation to create my schema too |
| 22:56.35 | thebigdog | that is why u see nullable = false |
| 22:56.43 | thebigdog | and the boolean stuff |
| 22:57.18 | thebigdog | i can do relational mapping too |
| 22:57.22 | thebigdog | that example did not have one though |
| 22:59.43 | thebigdog | it would probably be more overhead in php script though |
| 23:00.51 | mindjuju | don't think i've ever heard any Spinal Tap |
| 23:01.11 | thebigdog | oh man |
| 23:05.58 | thebigdog | until later |
| 23:10.18 | timinator | I'm out... later guys |
| 23:20.06 | SunSparc | Sa umaga... |
