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| 00:02.28 | PoeticIntensity | afternoon, all. |
| 00:02.34 | beandog | go back to Cali |
| 00:02.39 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 00:04.14 | PoeticIntensity | ah man... I wanna move here. |
| 00:04.14 | PoeticIntensity | and... hello to you too, beandog . |
| 00:04.14 | PoeticIntensity | pfft. |
| 00:05.01 | beandog | :) |
| 00:05.04 | beandog | how long you out there for |
| 00:05.14 | PoeticIntensity | ah well... |
| 00:05.14 | PoeticIntensity | too much fun in here. |
| 00:05.14 | PoeticIntensity | ta-ta |
| 00:05.17 | PoeticIntensity | till Saturday. |
| 00:05.21 | beandog | ah pahoopsie |
| 00:05.24 | beandog | thats cool man |
| 00:05.24 | beandog | :D |
| 00:05.30 | PoeticIntensity | I love it here. |
| 00:05.33 | beandog | you gonna go to Disneyland? |
| 00:05.41 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.ilovemyjournal.com/?action=personal_entry&eid=3215&user=1 |
| 00:05.42 | PoeticIntensity | no |
| 00:05.52 | PoeticIntensity | just beaches and excellent clam chowder. |
| 00:05.58 | beandog | its all about the clams |
| 00:06.04 | PoeticIntensity | tell me about it. |
| 00:06.30 | beandog | ~clammy PoeticIntensity |
| 00:06.39 | beandog | PoeticIntensity, take lots o piccies |
| 00:07.23 | PoeticIntensity | fo sho |
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| 00:47.06 | MrMiyagi | oops, science question |
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| 02:59.33 | fernplant | nobody here but us ferns! |
| 03:36.34 | fernplant | what you doing in office timinator ? |
| 03:37.07 | timinator | I'm in my other office.... I work from home technically |
| 03:37.11 | timinator | :) |
| 03:37.37 | fernplant | ah, how cool would that be to work from home |
| 03:38.05 | timinator | truth be known, I get less done at home |
| 03:38.10 | timinator | too many distractions |
| 03:38.55 | timinator | someday I'm going to build the perfect office |
| 03:39.13 | fernplant | what is the perfect office? |
| 03:40.12 | timinator | isolated.... about 10x15.... soundproof, with an entire wall that is a whiteboard |
| 03:40.23 | timinator | then on one side, there'd be a pooltable |
| 03:40.32 | timinator | for brainstorming |
| 03:40.47 | timinator | the whiteboard would be for brainstorming too |
| 03:40.58 | timinator | then on the other side of the room |
| 03:41.09 | timinator | there'd be a U shaped desk |
| 03:41.23 | timinator | printers and such on the back side |
| 03:41.40 | fernplant | that would be cool |
| 03:41.49 | timinator | computer desk of sorts |
| 03:41.55 | fernplant | very similar to what i think would be perfect office |
| 03:42.02 | fernplant | oooo, no, no computer desk |
| 03:42.07 | fernplant | Tank's computer setup |
| 03:42.13 | fernplant | tank from matrix |
| 03:42.21 | fernplant | several monitors and a keyboard |
| 03:42.30 | fernplant | all welded into iron gridwork |
| 03:42.56 | fernplant | subterranean so no chance of light, other than LED |
| 03:43.13 | fernplant | fish tanks for ambient light so you could read what ever paper somebody sent your way |
| 03:43.48 | fernplant | and a projector shining Winamp visualizations in sync with techno music |
| 03:44.43 | timinator | NICE |
| 03:45.04 | fernplant | or instead of desk, a slot in the door that when you press your papers in, it scans it as it shreds it and then sends it to one of your comps |
| 03:45.21 | fernplant | then when your done looking at it, you can pass it back and it can print on the wya, or it just gets emailed |
| 03:45.59 | timinator | that's a good idea |
| 03:46.44 | timinator | Here's to our "Programmer's Tan" |
| 03:46.55 | fernplant | yeah |
| 03:47.11 | fernplant | i'm going to try to expand to 4 monitors if i can put my hands on a pci video card |
| 03:47.20 | fernplant | then i'll have 4 21" monitors |
| 03:47.23 | fernplant | in a u shape |
| 03:47.36 | fernplant | not quite tanks setup, but close |
| 03:47.39 | timinator | crazy |
| 03:47.59 | fernplant | dude, i don't know how i lived on two monitors now that i have 3 |
| 03:48.13 | timinator | I'm running on a 17" MBP screen |
| 03:48.16 | fernplant | though i can step down to my laptop when i need to, but i can already see how four would be optimal |
| 03:48.16 | timinator | :( |
| 03:49.52 | fernplant | i forgot you were on Mac |
| 03:51.27 | timinator | :) |
| 03:52.05 | fernplant | i'm looking to get one for my wife for Christmas |
| 03:52.22 | fernplant | don't know if i can afford the pro, but some kind of mac laptop |
| 03:52.32 | timinator | the MB is great |
| 03:52.42 | timinator | I started my business on a 12" iBook |
| 03:52.59 | timinator | my wife uses an old PowerMac |
| 03:53.04 | timinator | G4 |
| 03:53.11 | fernplant | yeah, mac is fun and sexy |
| 03:53.20 | timinator | bought it off ebay for $300 |
| 03:53.25 | timinator | she loves it |
| 03:53.25 | fernplant | the g4? |
| 03:53.28 | timinator | yep |
| 03:53.52 | fernplant | hmm... i'd want it to have some good soft so tiff could do stuff |
| 03:53.54 | timinator | used Macs are nicely priced.... and they're not like PCs that are crap after 2yrs |
| 03:53.57 | fernplant | like make movies and stuff |
| 03:54.11 | timinator | that's all included |
| 03:54.19 | timinator | part of iLife |
| 03:54.23 | fernplant | yeah pc prices fall like every two weeks |
| 03:54.30 | timinator | and if you want the upgrade, it's $80 |
| 03:54.34 | timinator | ya |
| 03:56.50 | mindjuju | timinator , here is tank's setup BTW http://www.businessinnovationinsider.com/images/2006/02/Matrix%20hovercraft.jpg |
| 03:57.19 | timinator | ya... love that flick |
| 03:57.23 | timinator | and that setup |
| 03:57.25 | mindjuju | hawt , and just noticed he does have an overhead fluorescent light, i'd have to change that |
| 03:57.32 | timinator | I'd get a new chair though |
| 03:57.46 | timinator | ya |
| 03:58.26 | mindjuju | yeah, this is the chair you want -- http://www.mypce.com/ |
| 03:59.02 | mindjuju | ooo, they upgraded since last i checked! http://www.mypce.com/360tour.shtml |
| 03:59.30 | mindjuju | a programmer could do wonderful things in that chair |
| 04:01.32 | timinator | fo sho |
| 04:01.36 | timinator | very nice chair |
| 04:01.51 | timinator | here's the comp I bought my wife: http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-PowerMac-G4-Desktop-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ280147894321QQihZ018QQcategoryZ14912QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 04:02.05 | timinator | different specs, but that's the gist |
| 04:02.15 | timinator | got her one w/ a Gig of Ram |
| 04:03.17 | timinator | at first glance, that looks like a nice setup |
| 04:04.05 | timinator | processor speeds aren't comparable to PC processor speeds |
| 04:04.21 | mindjuju | looks like it has some cool progs that come with that |
| 04:04.43 | timinator | new macs are wicked fast, but for home use, this should do just fine |
| 04:05.04 | timinator | ya.... but is your wife an Illustrator girl? |
| 04:05.27 | mindjuju | no, but i could learn her some stuff |
| 04:05.33 | timinator | ya |
| 04:05.49 | timinator | version 8 was nice |
| 04:06.23 | timinator | but, OS 9 isn't as nice as OS X |
| 04:06.28 | timinator | I'd upgrade that |
| 04:06.41 | timinator | it should handle OS 10.3 |
| 04:06.48 | timinator | that's a solid OS |
| 04:06.55 | timinator | and VERY easy to use |
| 04:07.05 | mindjuju | yeah, that's key |
| 04:07.10 | mindjuju | want it to be v easy to use |
| 04:07.14 | timinator | and you could pick that up on ebay for cheap |
| 04:08.01 | timinator | ya, OS X is SUPA easy to learn |
| 04:08.22 | timinator | I got one for an old school pen and paper guy |
| 04:08.32 | timinator | and he picked right up on it |
| 04:08.46 | timinator | (he had a PC, but used it for email) |
| 04:09.02 | mindjuju | yup thats where my wife is, PC is too unfriendly |
| 04:09.04 | timinator | now he does all sorts of stuff |
| 04:09.15 | timinator | ya, this'll be a good fit |
| 04:09.31 | influx^^ | Hooray for table-based-pixel-sized layouts. |
| 04:09.50 | influx^^ | ...and deeply nested tables. |
| 04:09.56 | mindjuju | ? |
| 04:10.01 | mindjuju | surely you jest |
| 04:11.31 | timinator | here's OS X 10.3: http://cgi.ebay.com/Mac-OS-X-10-3-Panther-Install-Discs_W0QQitemZ260154672239QQihZ016QQcategoryZ80258QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 04:11.35 | influx^^ | Yes, but about my lot today, no. |
| 04:12.21 | influx^^ | I spent a few hours copying over some content from one horribly marked-up site to another horribly marked up site. |
| 04:13.05 | influx^^ | Bossman didn't like that, but I couldn't really do much since I was working with utter crap. |
| 04:13.05 | timinator | You COULD get her Office for the Mac: http://cgi.ebay.com/Microsoft-Office-2004-Mac-Standard-Edition_W0QQitemZ330161006952QQihZ014QQcategoryZ80241QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 04:13.22 | timinator | or download NeoOffice (OpenOffice.org for the mac) |
| 04:13.34 | timinator | that'd be free, but a little less user friendly |
| 04:13.53 | timinator | but it's a solid app |
| 04:14.05 | influx^^ | It's not too bad to get used to. |
| 04:14.26 | timinator | no, not at all.... but for one's wife.... *shrug |
| 04:14.29 | influx^^ | In my opinion, it's a suitable replacement for Word/Office. |
| 04:14.48 | influx^^ | I wouldn't know about that. |
| 04:15.13 | burnin | wow, that lightning strike was close!!! |
| 04:15.57 | timinator | gotta run... it's my bedtime |
| 04:16.26 | timinator | and my wife is beckoning.... in lingerie :) |
| 04:16.41 | timinator | laytaaa |
| 04:24.25 | mindjuju | yeah, it's lightning here pretty good, and herlo says bountiful electric got knocked out |
| 04:24.40 | mindjuju | well, parts of bountiful that is |
| 04:25.38 | burnin | had one go flash and boom right away, no pause. |
| 04:26.32 | mindjuju | that's crazy close |
| 04:27.26 | mindjuju | times like that i'm glad i have a beefy dedicated UPS for dev box and another for servers i maintain |
| 04:28.23 | mindjuju | funny thing is that last time power dropped, i could hear the screams of coworkers at almost the same time the UPS warning beep came on |
| 04:28.43 | burnin | screams? lol |
| 04:29.23 | mindjuju | yeah, coworkers don't have UPS |
| 04:29.49 | mindjuju | well, sure they have surge protectors, but that won't carry a comp during a power outage, just protect from spikes |
| 04:30.35 | burnin | ah, well theres always overtime. :) |
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| 04:49.42 | mindjuju | sup jnbek |
| 04:50.27 | jnbek | not much |
| 04:50.38 | jnbek | power goin screwy in Utah Valley, lol |
| 04:50.56 | jnbek | All of SW Orem is out |
| 04:51.37 | jnbek | power blinked here, killed only 3 of my PCs though, just one was my router, lol |
| 04:52.18 | herlo | mindjuju: decriptor.com is up |
| 04:53.51 | mindjuju | crazy! |
| 04:54.48 | mindjuju | herlo, what was the rest of that address where the stuff was at? |
| 04:55.04 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.06 | jnbek | argh, that thunder is getting rambunctious, and close, lol |
| 05:02.03 | mindjuju | yo herlo, want to check this out real quick |
| 05:02.09 | herlo | yeah, give me 30 seconds |
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| 05:24.38 | blur | go jazz |
| 05:24.58 | blur | any cms gurus? |
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| 05:43.44 | influx^^ | I'm a tamales guru. |
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| 12:49.03 | timinator | morning |
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| 14:20.14 | cole_joplin | Has anyone checked out http://www.amfphp.org/ ? |
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| 14:37.19 | thebigdog | i guess everyone took the day off |
| 14:37.43 | cole_joplin | it's only 8:37 |
| 14:38.48 | jsmith | thebigdog: Not I! |
| 14:39.26 | thebigdog | usually there are more peps in the channel at this time |
| 14:39.56 | jsmith | Maybe everyone else is having a "Monday number three" today too? |
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| 15:27.08 | orsonj | (people gone) probably just because of the power/network outages |
| 15:31.36 | jsmith | Power outages? |
| 15:31.40 | jsmith | Network outages? |
| 15:31.57 | timinator | LOL |
| 15:32.19 | jsmith | On a similar topic, I hear it rained in Orem yesterday :-) |
| 15:32.46 | wps | the wind bent my garage door |
| 15:32.49 | wps | in Lehi |
| 15:32.56 | wps | the air came through the back door and created vacuum |
| 15:32.57 | wps | I was standing there when it happened |
| 15:33.03 | wps | a huge woooosh |
| 15:33.06 | wps | and the big garage door was sucked out concave about a foot in the middle |
| 15:33.15 | jsmith | Wow! |
| 15:33.29 | wps | sucks that replacing it is $615 and my deductible is $1000 |
| 15:33.29 | mgeary | wow |
| 15:33.45 | mgeary | so the door won't open now? |
| 15:33.53 | wps | no, it opens |
| 15:34.10 | wps | but it's bent and doesn't seal now |
| 15:34.28 | wps | I'm going to have to work on it tonight with a rubber mallet and see if I can get it to work enough to not have to replace it |
| 15:35.15 | wps | looks ugly from the inside (where each of the panel ribs are bent), but amazingly it's not too bad form the outside |
| 15:41.06 | mgeary | man |
| 15:41.08 | mgeary | bummer |
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| 16:09.54 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 16:10.01 | mgeary | ewwww |
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| 16:25.33 | timinator | jbot, you should keep that stuff to yourself |
| 16:26.23 | SunSparc | CakePHP vs Agavi? Anyone? |
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| 16:28.33 | Utah_Dave | ~Codeigniter++ |
| 16:29.02 | wps | custom for each project… no bloat or unnecessary overhead |
| 16:29.05 | mgeary | MyOwnFramework++ |
| 16:29.24 | SunSparc | mgeary: never heard of that one |
| 16:29.45 | mgeary | i've found that just having a solid ActiveRecord implementation, along with some great form creation/validation is really all the framework i need |
| 16:30.17 | SunSparc | In the end, it is really just personal preference. |
| 16:32.49 | mgeary | well, that's partially true |
| 16:33.09 | mgeary | if your coding style is teh suck, that really does matter |
| 16:33.32 | mgeary | and frameworks tend to give structure and consistency to your work, so i approve of them |
| 16:33.57 | mgeary | if you can have solid architecture and elegant application design w/o a framework, that's just fine |
| 16:33.59 | _psychic_ | There are significant advantages to using a widely used framework |
| 16:34.10 | _psychic_ | rolling your own is better than nothing |
| 16:34.17 | _psychic_ | but not as good, imho |
| 16:36.51 | _psychic_ | ug ? |
| 16:37.41 | _psychic_ | ultimately grandiose? über groovy? |
| 16:37.45 | SunSparc | ug = 'User Group' |
| 16:37.48 | SunSparc | Yes? |
| 16:37.51 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:38.02 | wps | will that be the presentation for September? |
| 16:38.12 | _psychic_ | well I've never *been* to a meeting |
| 16:38.22 | _psychic_ | so I don't know if it would work to present |
| 16:38.25 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 16:38.36 | wps | wait… no, it's not cake |
| 16:38.37 | SunSparc | wps: What flavor? |
| 16:38.43 | wps | it's Hot Tamales! |
| 16:38.52 | wps | same things basically though… sugar |
| 16:38.59 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:39.22 | _psychic_ | I get the feeling many uphpu'ers are anti-framework, and anti-cake |
| 16:39.26 | _psychic_ | I don't think it would go over well. |
| 16:39.51 | wps | not if there was real cake there! |
| 16:40.43 | mgeary | _psychic_: if they are, they're silly |
| 16:40.58 | mgeary | that's like being Anti-Smarty |
| 16:41.06 | mgeary | ;) |
| 16:41.07 | _psychic_ | I'm anti-smarty. :) |
| 16:41.47 | SunSparc | lol |
| 16:41.48 | orsonj | someone ought to re-implement smarty as a php class. |
| 16:41.53 | mgeary | it is a PHP class |
| 16:42.04 | _psychic_ | the usage isn't, though |
| 16:42.12 | mgeary | ? |
| 16:42.18 | _psychic_ | {stuff in braces} |
| 16:42.20 | _psychic_ | rather than |
| 16:42.25 | _psychic_ | <?php $smarty->stuff() ?> |
| 16:42.42 | _psychic_ | orsonj: most frameworks have helpers for views |
| 16:42.44 | _psychic_ | ot |
| 16:42.47 | SunSparc | Perhaps would could have a UG presentation on CakePHP and CakeGermanChocolate. |
| 16:42.50 | _psychic_ | it's been done lots of times |
| 16:43.23 | timinator | will there be coconut frosting? |
| 16:43.26 | mgeary | _psychic_: sure the usage is class-centric |
| 16:44.13 | mgeary | (Yet Another Annoying Smarty Debate) |
| 16:44.19 | mgeary | ™ |
| 16:44.36 | _psychic_ | how bout another tables/css flamewar, then? |
| 16:45.25 | mgeary | now yer talkin' |
| 16:47.44 | SunSparc | Tables are EVIL!!! |
| 16:47.48 | SunSparc | ~lart tables |
| 16:47.48 | jbot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags tables into court suing for $200 million |
| 16:48.06 | _psychic_ | I was at AEA in Chicago last week |
| 16:48.16 | mgeary | AEA? |
| 16:48.17 | _psychic_ | Eric Meyer turned a table into a bar graph with CSS. |
| 16:48.20 | _psychic_ | It was magical. |
| 16:48.25 | _psychic_ | mgeary: An Event Apart |
| 16:48.31 | mgeary | cool |
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| 16:57.39 | mgeary | ~Cowboy Junkies++ |
| 16:58.42 | orsonj | CakeGermanChocolate++ |
| 16:59.53 | mgeary | everyone knows, i'm sure, that German Chocolate Cake isn't German at all, right? |
| 17:00.24 | mgeary | it's because the original recipe used "German's Sweet Chocolate" |
| 17:00.46 | orsonj | French Fries, Hawaiian(sp?) Pizza, Canadian Bacon, Etc. |
| 17:01.06 | mgeary | French Fries should be called "Frenched Fries". Frenching is a way of cutting something long and thin |
| 17:01.17 | orsonj | Now Cowboy Delight on the other hand. |
| 17:02.32 | orsonj | Navaho Tacos perhaps |
| 17:02.59 | orsonj | My uncle is 1/4 Navaho and makes the best fry bread. |
| 17:03.12 | mgeary | Navajo Tacos++ |
| 17:03.20 | orsonj | ~Navajo Tacos++ |
| 17:03.38 | mgeary | my family jokes about going up to Heber's Swiss days and getting some of the "Swiss Navajo Tacos" they sell up there. |
| 17:03.40 | orsonj | Yummy! |
| 17:03.58 | orsonj | heh |
| 17:07.58 | orsonj | (An aside on smarty) I think some people like it because you can edit smarty templates in front^H^H^H^Hstandard html editors |
| 17:08.46 | mgeary | i like it because you really have to work if you want to violate the "don't separate app logic & display logic" rule |
| 17:12.03 | orsonj | I was just thinking about a job I did once. They didn't really want someone as smart as me. They really wanted some grad student who could take a couple days to figure out dreamweaver and make the page look decent on a 21" monitor. |
| 17:12.45 | orsonj | The last thing I did was convert a nice phpized website to an dreamweaver htmlized site. |
| 17:14.51 | orsonj | This is what it looks like now. (a couple grad students later) http://www.advs.usu.edu/ |
| 17:15.17 | orsonj | flashing buttons, jpeg text titles, and wider than 1024px. |
| 17:15.47 | mgeary | niiice |
| 17:15.50 | Utah_Dave | all I could see was "Upcoming Events" I was too distracted to notice anything else |
| 17:15.51 | Utah_Dave | :) |
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| 17:16.01 | mgeary | where? |
| 17:16.07 | mgeary | ;) |
| 17:16.58 | orsonj | and after you click on it, it takes you 15-20 seconds to figure out where the list of events are. |
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| 17:36.44 | Utah_Dave | bradym: do you work with dataw0lf? |
| 17:37.18 | bradym | I work where he used to work, but he's not here anymore. |
| 17:37.47 | Utah_Dave | where's he now? |
| 17:37.59 | bradym | Not sure.. I haven't really talked to him in quite some time. |
| 17:38.56 | bradym | He left shortly after I started, and I'm in the Foster City office.. he was in the Reno office... so I've still yet to meet him in person. |
| 17:44.44 | Utah_Dave | do you have a nice view of the Bay? |
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| 17:52.20 | mgeary | bradym: where do you work? |
| 17:53.00 | bradym | Utah_Dave: not from my desk, but if i stand up and turn around I do :) Nice view of the San Mateo bridge. |
| 17:53.15 | bradym | mgeary: I work for Quinstreet |
| 17:53.25 | bradym | http://quinstreet.com |
| 17:54.14 | mgeary | cool |
| 18:38.32 | thebigdog | man what a day |
| 18:40.21 | mgeary | ? |
| 18:40.29 | mgeary | 'sup dog? |
| 18:40.38 | thebigdog | meetings and such |
| 18:40.47 | thebigdog | really chaps my <beep> |
| 18:41.05 | thebigdog | maybe i should work with bradym, they do java |
| 18:41.37 | mgeary | now, now, thebigdog, don't go saying things you'll regret |
| 18:42.24 | thebigdog | and hearing peoples ideas of a help system frighten me |
| 18:42.35 | bradym | yeah, we do tons with java |
| 18:42.41 | bradym | though my team does all PHP |
| 18:43.20 | thebigdog | see i can bridge that gap |
| 18:43.29 | thebigdog | not sure a company would want too though |
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| 18:45.42 | bradym | i'm sure it would be helpful to have more people here who understand and can use both platforms |
| 18:52.38 | bradym | hmm.. my doctype tag is disappearing... it's in the file but when i view source from the browser it doesn't show.. wierd |
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| 18:56.26 | influx^^ | voodoo |
| 18:59.15 | thebigdog | bradym, you on FF |
| 18:59.22 | bradym | yeah |
| 18:59.48 | thebigdog | it does that a lot |
| 19:00.13 | thebigdog | i notice that with xml files |
| 19:00.16 | bradym | does the same thing in ie6 too |
| 19:00.38 | thebigdog | i htink they figure it does not matter to anyone |
| 19:01.01 | jsmith | XML matters? |
| 19:01.12 | jsmith | Shoot... I thought I did my entire book in XML because it *didn't* matter! |
| 19:01.29 | bradym | lol - i think he meant the doctype tag ;) |
| 19:01.49 | jsmith | I know what he meant, I'm just yanking his chain |
| 19:02.13 | thebigdog | he does that alot |
| 19:02.16 | mgeary | aww, dangit, jsmith, you yanked too hard. Gone and broke thebigdog's chain |
| 19:02.18 | thebigdog | jsmith, you have a minute? |
| 19:02.24 | jsmith | thebigdog: For you, of course! |
| 19:02.35 | jsmith | thebigdog: What's up? |
| 19:12.36 | mgeary | hey |
| 19:12.51 | mgeary | when you subtract two mysql datetime fields, what units is the result in? |
| 19:13.12 | mgeary | i've got datetimeA - datetimeB == 30000, and the times are 3 hours apart |
| 19:13.23 | jsmith | mgeary: I'd guess in seconds. |
| 19:13.27 | mgeary | which suggests that the units are thousandths of an hour |
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| 19:13.32 | mgeary | which makes no sense |
| 19:15.24 | timinator | could be date(His) |
| 19:15.34 | timinator | that would make since with the result |
| 19:15.54 | mgeary | well, it's coming across as a float |
| 19:15.58 | mgeary | 30000.000000 |
| 19:16.15 | mgeary | 2007-09-05 12:00:00 - 2007-09-05 09:00:00 = 30000.000000 |
| 19:16.18 | mgeary | weeeird |
| 19:16.42 | timinator | ya, but isn't the DATETIME field simply an int (or float) that's formatted? |
| 19:16.49 | mgeary | dunno |
| 19:17.02 | timinator | so it's really 20070905120000-20070905090000 |
| 19:17.24 | mgeary | aah |
| 19:17.35 | mgeary | well, i guess i can't do that then, can i? |
| 19:17.43 | mgeary | 'cause that could give some really screwy results |
| 19:17.44 | timinator | I'm guessing man |
| 19:17.52 | mgeary | no, i think you're right |
| 19:18.51 | mgeary | TIME_TO_SEC is what i need |
| 19:19.22 | mgeary | yep. there we go |
| 19:19.28 | timinator | anyone have a computer desk setup that they like? |
| 19:19.29 | mgeary | i knew there *had* to be a function for it somewhere |
| 19:33.05 | Utah_Dave | timinator: I've got those corner workstations from Herman-Miller that adjust up and down and rotates forward and backward |
| 19:33.30 | timinator | sounds nice .....checking |
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| 19:35.50 | mgeary | mysql join question for ya |
| 19:36.35 | mgeary | i'm joining a table to itself, and calculating the difference in times on a field |
| 19:36.49 | mgeary | so i can see, for example, that 2 hours passed between row X and row Y |
| 19:37.14 | mgeary | (row X and Y would have a common foreign key) |
| 19:38.03 | mgeary | the problem is, if rows X, Y, and Z all have the same common foreign key, is there a way i can have the calculation be between Y and Z, instead of between X&Y, and X&Z. |
| 19:38.08 | mgeary | how's that for confusing? |
| 19:38.34 | PelaoFeliz | ...are you saying you want to compare just the most recent 2 records? |
| 19:38.37 | mgeary | yes |
| 19:38.46 | mgeary | matching a common foreign key |
| 19:39.21 | PelaoFeliz | I'm fluent ;) |
| 19:39.53 | PelaoFeliz | you can do it with a subquery... |
| 19:40.03 | PelaoFeliz | but that may be messy |
| 19:40.26 | mgeary | here's the current SQL; |
| 19:40.38 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/18695/ |
| 19:41.09 | mgeary | and here's a sample result: |
| 19:41.10 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/18696/ |
| 19:41.24 | mgeary | (columns didn't line up right on that) |
| 19:42.23 | PelaoFeliz | that's mysql? |
| 19:42.26 | mgeary | here's what's going on. i've got a "state_changes" table. Each row tracks the datetime of a state change for a given item |
| 19:42.38 | mgeary | ? |
| 19:42.49 | mgeary | no, that's copied & pasted from Safari |
| 19:42.52 | PelaoFeliz | you're running mysql, or postgres? |
| 19:42.55 | mgeary | mysql |
| 19:42.57 | PelaoFeliz | ah |
| 19:42.58 | PelaoFeliz | k |
| 19:43.04 | PelaoFeliz | you could do an ORDER BY a.date_created DESC, b.date_created DESC LIMIT 1 |
| 19:45.53 | PelaoFeliz | would that work? |
| 19:47.29 | mgeary | trying |
| 19:48.24 | timinator | anyone like Dylans or Warrens Restaurants? |
| 19:49.19 | mgeary | PelaoFeliz: nope |
| 19:49.33 | timinator | LOL... okay |
| 19:50.17 | PelaoFeliz | mgeary: that doesn't give you the most recent 2 rows? |
| 19:53.16 | mgeary | nope |
| 19:53.31 | mgeary | it's weird |
| 19:53.46 | mgeary | so, there's 3 rows involved here. primary keys: 1,41,42 |
| 19:53.56 | PelaoFeliz | yep |
| 19:54.01 | mgeary | it always joins 1->41 and 1->42 |
| 19:54.11 | mgeary | i want it to join 41->42 in this case |
| 19:54.42 | PelaoFeliz | but your new_state_id filter won't let you... |
| 19:54.43 | mgeary | aah |
| 19:54.46 | mgeary | no |
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| 19:54.50 | mgeary | it was the having |
| 19:54.54 | mgeary | duh |
| 19:54.55 | mgeary | :) |
| 19:54.58 | PelaoFeliz | ah |
| 19:55.12 | mgeary | okay, now let me re-introduce that sort |
| 19:55.13 | PelaoFeliz | yes, I see |
| 19:56.29 | mgeary | there we go |
| 19:56.41 | mgeary | closer, anyway |
| 19:58.37 | mgeary | now, here's the other issue-- |
| 19:59.28 | mgeary | i only want the row sets that take longer than X-seconds |
| 19:59.40 | mgeary | so, right now, i get 3 result rows (without the LIMIT): |
| 19:59.49 | mgeary | 41->42: duration 3600 secs |
| 19:59.59 | mgeary | 1->42: duration 14400 secs |
| 20:00.06 | mgeary | 1->41: duration: 10800 secs |
| 20:00.45 | mgeary | now, i can't filter out the 41->42 because it's existence tells me that the 1->41 set has been superseded |
| 20:00.56 | mgeary | the 1->42 has no significance whatsoever |
| 20:01.17 | PelaoFeliz | so with that data, you're saying you'd want an empty result set? |
| 20:01.20 | mgeary | does that make sense? basically what's happening is i'm looking for stale processes, and when i find one, i restart the state, which creates a new state change record |
| 20:01.27 | mgeary | PelaoFeliz: exactly |
| 20:01.37 | mgeary | because it doesn't meet the threshold of, say, 7200 seconds |
| 20:01.42 | mgeary | (3600 < 7200) |
| 20:01.55 | PelaoFeliz | hrmm.... |
| 20:02.37 | mgeary | in a worse-case scenario, i can avoid creating a new state change record, and just reset the time of the existing state change record, but that means discarding useful data :/ |
| 20:02.44 | PelaoFeliz | gotta go to a meeting -- if you don't get it before I get back, I'll see if I can be of help then... |
| 20:02.47 | mgeary | heh |
| 20:02.51 | mgeary | thanks for the help |
| 20:03.34 | mgeary | heh |
| 20:03.41 | mgeary | wps, this one's for you: |
| 20:03.42 | mgeary | http://www.pauljamesdesign.com.au/breakdown.png |
| 20:03.55 | mgeary | pardon the cusswords in the graphic |
| 20:05.08 | wps | nice |
| 20:06.30 | timinator | I love it |
| 20:12.47 | timinator | mgeary: is there a reason the logic couldn't be done in PHP? |
| 20:12.51 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:12.55 | mgeary | stored procedure |
| 20:12.56 | timinator | cause it'd be super easy that way |
| 20:12.57 | timinator | ah |
| 20:13.00 | timinator | k |
| 20:13.47 | timinator | so you're just trying to pull the last two rows entered and check the time difference? |
| 20:14.11 | mgeary | sort of |
| 20:14.29 | mgeary | but i want one row, so i need to join the table to itself |
| 20:14.47 | timinator | oh |
| 20:15.12 | timinator | so you want to get the newest row, if it's >7200 seconds from the previous row? |
| 20:16.27 | wps | it's raining |
| 20:16.46 | mgeary | hang on |
| 20:16.48 | mgeary | might have a fix |
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| 20:22.17 | mgeary | uh, heh, wps i was talking to timinator |
| 20:23.33 | timinator | would something like this work: |
| 20:23.34 | timinator | SELECT * FROM upload_state_changes WHERE id=MAX(id) AND TIME_TO_SEC(date_created)<((SELECT TIME_TO_SEC(date_created) FROM upload_state_changes WHERE id=(MAX(id)-1))-7200 |
| 20:24.12 | timinator | again, I'm guessing on much of that |
| 20:24.20 | wps | I hate it when you have your legs up and you leg is completely straight so your knee is locked and it puts pressure on the back of your knee (knee-pit) and it starts hurting |
| 20:25.48 | mgeary | ~kneepit wps |
| 20:25.49 | jbot | ACTION whispers conspiratorially, "psst! I heard that wps shaves his kneepits" |
| 20:25.59 | wps | eeeeww |
| 20:26.50 | mgeary | who here has done stored procs in mysql? can you not do "Select A into B, C into D" ? |
| 20:27.03 | mgeary | does "into" refer to the entire selection? or a single column? |
| 20:28.06 | mgeary | aaah |
| 20:28.07 | mgeary | i see |
| 20:28.33 | mgeary | SELECT A,C into B,D |
| 20:48.51 | beandog | anyone use trac? |
| 20:54.55 | mindjuju | beandog , _psychic_ does |
| 20:55.10 | mindjuju | i want to, but just cant seem to find the time to deploy |
| 20:56.43 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 20:56.44 | jbot | --purges Utah_Dave |
| 20:56.50 | Utah_Dave | :( |
| 20:56.51 | mindjuju | the fates have spoken! |
| 20:57.12 | bradym | that sounds painful |
| 21:01.37 | thebigdog | ~help Utah_Dave |
| 21:02.18 | Utah_Dave | ~thank thebigdog |
| 21:02.18 | jbot | Utah_Dave: sure thing |
| 21:18.57 | beandog | mindjuju, k thx |
| 21:22.04 | wps | why does the javascript error box even exist in MSIE? |
| 21:22.08 | wps | it's absolutely worthless? |
| 21:22.25 | wps | and why on earth doest the piece of crap browser have a javascript console? |
| 21:23.12 | wps | I'm hungry |
| 21:23.14 | wps | I want a hamburger |
| 21:27.34 | jsmith | ~buy wps a hamburger |
| 21:27.35 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen a hamburgers for wps |
| 21:27.51 | jsmith | ~fry a burger |
| 21:27.52 | jbot | ACTION grabs a burger and fries him on his BFCooker9000 |
| 21:28.24 | wps | I want a Buffalo Burger from the Pig Palace in Pinedale, WY |
| 21:30.57 | jsmith | wps: Oooooh... but I've got one better. |
| 21:31.11 | jsmith | wps: Next time you come out to the Washington, D.C. area, I'll take you to "Five Guys" |
| 21:31.25 | jsmith | wps: (They're almost so good I'd bring you one tomorrow, but they're better hot) |
| 21:31.38 | wps | sounds awesome |
| 21:31.53 | jsmith | Definitely... ever heard of a Zagat rated hamburger joint? |
| 21:31.58 | jsmith | :-) |
| 21:35.13 | PelaoFeliz | mgeary: find your fix? |
| 21:35.19 | mgeary | PelaoFeliz: yeah |
| 21:35.25 | mgeary | just added a bit of logic to the sproc |
| 21:35.27 | PelaoFeliz | what'd you end up doing? |
| 21:36.03 | mgeary | i'm doing a MIN() and a group by |
| 21:36.22 | mgeary | and then i evaluate the result outside the query, in the sproc, to see if it hits the threshold |
| 21:36.31 | PelaoFeliz | coo' |
| 21:36.37 | mgeary | thanks for the hel |
| 21:36.38 | mgeary | p |
| 21:36.43 | PelaoFeliz | np |
| 21:42.00 | beandog | okay |
| 21:42.03 | beandog | I want an iPod touch |
| 21:42.19 | beandog | I wonder if you can watch movies over the network, since it has wifi |
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| 21:50.26 | Utah_Dave | beandog: it says you can watch youtube |
| 21:54.47 | thebigdog | beandog, if it is supported format |
| 21:58.20 | beandog | hmm |
| 22:00.01 | Utah_Dave | iPhone is only $399 now |
| 22:00.21 | SunSparc | Figgers. That is what I get for wanting to be on the bleeding edge. |
| 22:00.24 | wps | yeah, and they are blowing the discontinued 4 GB ones out for $299 |
| 22:01.09 | Utah_Dave | really? I'm tempted now. Especially if I can unlock to work with T-Mobile |
| 22:01.36 | thebigdog | yeah i would do that |
| 22:03.20 | beandog | hmm |
| 22:03.23 | beandog | Gentoo on Apple TV |
| 22:03.25 | beandog | that might work |
| 22:03.27 | beandog | and at a great price, too. |
| 22:11.51 | thebigdog | haha |
| 22:12.58 | thebigdog | beandog is easily assumed |
| 22:13.04 | thebigdog | amused |
| 22:13.11 | thebigdog | man what a day today |
| 22:13.18 | thebigdog | ~amuse beandog |
| 22:13.32 | thebigdog | ~play beandog a jingle |
| 22:14.08 | beandog | ooh! |
| 22:15.20 | beandog | I wants a mini-itx |
| 22:51.21 | mindjuju | whew, 2 hours of meets, they should make that part of the Ironman |
| 22:53.41 | thebigdog | no doubt |
| 22:53.51 | thebigdog | office politics suck |
| 22:54.01 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:54.17 | thebigdog | seems like the more and more i work with government the more and more i hate politics |
| 22:55.01 | mindjuju | Corporate Ironman = 1 hr confrontation with boss or coworker, followed by 2 hour meet of varying degrees of activity (from sheer brain numbing boredom --> hyperactivity) and, (what would be 3rd event? |
| 22:55.34 | thebigdog | watching thebigdog at work |
| 22:55.38 | _psychic_ | foosball |
| 22:56.23 | beandog | hemmorhoids? |
| 22:56.40 | fungus | OMG, iPod touch! |
| 22:56.40 | thebigdog | beandog, do you have them? |
| 22:56.47 | fungus | iPhone $399! |
| 22:56.54 | beandog | no |
| 22:57.10 | mindjuju | fungus, digg says 299 |
| 22:57.11 | thebigdog | then that answers that question...next question....NEXT QUESTION |
| 22:57.44 | beandog | yah, $299 for the ipod touch |
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| 22:58.05 | beandog | Im gonna have to buy a DVD just to satiate my impulse purchability madness. |
| 22:58.15 | fungus | My poor little iPod 5th gen is looking so old and sad now. |
| 22:59.58 | thebigdog | haha my svn comments rock |
| 23:00.47 | thebigdog | "fixed beandogs broken crap...cause im the greatest..." |
| 23:01.02 | beandog | what broken crap? |
| 23:01.04 | *** part/#uphpu PelaoFeliz (n=PelaoFel@67.108.236.230) |
| 23:01.09 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:01.16 | thebigdog | your mplayer ebuild |
| 23:01.39 | beandog | eh? |
| 23:01.41 | beandog | whats wrong with it |
| 23:01.48 | thebigdog | ~joke beandog |
| 23:01.53 | beandog | :) |
| 23:01.54 | timinator | I'm with you fungus |
| 23:01.55 | timinator | :( |
| 23:01.57 | beandog | that thing is a pain to write |
| 23:02.01 | beandog | not that I wrote it. |
| 23:02.02 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator |
| 23:02.02 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|. |
| 23:02.02 | beandog | maintain. |
| 23:02.05 | beandog | whatever. |
| 23:02.30 | timinator | ~flip back to thebigdog |
| 23:02.31 | jbot | ACTION gives back to thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 23:02.51 | thebigdog | ~flip timinator, the tuna man |
| 23:02.51 | jbot | ACTION gives timinator, the tuna man the .|.. ..|. |
| 23:03.01 | thebigdog | hehe |
| 23:03.07 | thebigdog | ~snicker timinator |
| 23:03.14 | beandog | ~love thebigdog |
| 23:03.15 | jbot | If you love thebigdog so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 23:03.22 | thebigdog | ooooohhh |
| 23:03.45 | thebigdog | ~exec timinator |
| 23:03.55 | beandog | oooooh |
| 23:04.15 | timinator | leave me alone thebigdog, I'm mourning over my iPod |
| 23:04.43 | beandog | because its deprecated? |
| 23:04.59 | timinator | cause the new ones look so much cooler |
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| 23:07.34 | beandog | meh |
| 23:08.00 | beandog | I wonder if I could manage to hack an Apple TV |
| 23:08.31 | timinator | trade it in for a sportscar |
| 23:09.04 | beandog | mmm |
| 23:11.05 | thebigdog | ~smash timinator |
| 23:11.06 | jbot | ACTION flings an anvil in timinator's general direction |
| 23:11.23 | timinator | ~monkey thebigdog |
| 23:11.23 | jbot | ACTION flings poo at thebigdog |
| 23:12.03 | thebigdog | ~bootloader timinator |
| 23:12.03 | jbot | ACTION installs a faulty bootloader on timinator, turning timinator into a useless brick. |
| 23:12.12 | thebigdog | haha |
| 23:12.16 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 23:12.16 | jbot | chops thebigdog in half with a free Solaris 7 CD |
| 23:12.37 | thebigdog | ~lart timinator |
| 23:12.37 | jbot | offers timinator some herring |
| 23:13.13 | thebigdog | ~root timinator |
| 23:13.14 | jbot | ACTION uses a keylogger to pwnz all timinator 's boxen. |
| 23:13.48 | thebigdog | ~rootshell timinator |
| 23:13.49 | jbot | root@blootbot:~# timinator bash: timinator: command not found |
| 23:13.59 | timinator | ~fart thebigdog |
| 23:14.00 | jbot | ACTION farts in thebigdog's general direction |
| 23:15.03 | thebigdog | ~weaselstomp timinator |
| 23:15.03 | jbot | ACTION dons a viking helm, spreads some mayonnaise, and gives timinator a good hard STOMP. Repeatedly. |
| 23:15.14 | thebigdog | hahahaha |
| 23:15.28 | thebigdog | i think the mayonnaise did it for ya |
| 23:15.34 | thebigdog | ~stomp timinator |
| 23:15.35 | jbot | ACTION stomps on timinator with mail clad boots. |
| 23:15.35 | timinator | ya, fo sho |
| 23:15.46 | timinator | gotta run thebigdog |
| 23:16.00 | timinator | I'm out.... later fellas |
| 23:16.09 | thebigdog | one more |
| 23:16.18 | thebigdog | ~porkchop mindjuju |
| 23:16.19 | jbot | ACTION spits on a porkchop and feeds it to mindjuju Eat up! |
| 23:16.40 | thebigdog | ~karatechop mindjuju |
| 23:16.40 | jbot | ACTION lifts up his good arm and does a double back-flip to chop mindjuju in half! |
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| 23:22.48 | SunSparc | Everyone go get an iPhone. Now you have no excuse! ;) |
| 23:26.11 | bradym | hmm... sample google map code seems to be crashing apache on my dev machine.. that's wierd |
| 23:48.00 | mindjuju | stoogeHype - as in hype that is created by an obvious stooge planted in a particular spot to hype up an otherwise irrelevant idea - http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/silverlight_launched_with_linux_support.php |
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