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03:39.08justingiboneyanyone awake?
04:30.32justingiboney10:30 and all is well
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13:50.34justingiboneyGood Morning UPHPU!
14:09.06justingiboneyhello
14:09.54justingiboneyhello
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14:27.47justingiboneyGood Morning!
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15:49.37justingiboneygood morning!
15:51.09justingiboneyboy, everyone must have the day off and sleeping in.
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15:52.32justingiboneyheytiminator
15:53.50timinatorheya justingiboney
15:54.06timinatorI just submitted an article on Digg
15:54.17timinatorfrom my own, fairly new blog
15:54.19timinatorhttp://digg.com/apple/iPhone_Hacked_Apple_and_the_Marketplace
15:55.27timinatorif ya have a sec, I'd love someone else's opinion
15:56.29justingiboneyI am headed there
15:56.36timinatorthx
16:02.20justingiboneynot a bad article.... I don't really know how digg works, but isn't there a button that you can put on your article?
16:02.36timinatorya
16:02.43timinatorI should add that
16:02.44justingiboneyalso "I’ve heard " would be good to have a reference
16:03.03timinatorbeyond the Business Week article?
16:03.22timinatorperhaps I should quote that article a bit
16:03.52justingiboneywell you say in "cell phones are big" 'I've Heard"
16:03.59justingiboneywell where did you hear it from
16:04.04timinatorah
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16:04.13justingiboneymore credible
16:04.13timinatorthat's from an MIT lecture
16:04.26timinatordidn't know if I could quote that or not
16:04.27justingiboneyreference it
16:04.31timinatork
16:04.41timinatorya, will do
16:04.47justingiboneyalso the second image looks pretty bad
16:05.27timinatoroh? because it's CGI or did it not render well?
16:05.36timinatorit's from Apple's site, but it's scaled
16:05.41timinator60%
16:05.44justingiboneyyour "Information == Power" thing makes me think of Google, maybe you should write anarticle about that
16:05.59timinatorsounds good
16:06.17timinator:)
16:06.43justingiboneyso have you heard of my latest project, the php testing site?
16:07.23timinatornope
16:07.23timinatorwhat is it?
16:07.23justingiboneyhttp://forodeherbales.com/phpexam/
16:07.27justingiboneyIt is mostly for fun...
16:08.08timinatorcool
16:08.17justingiboneya week ago, I wanted to see where I stood as far as knowledge of php, but there are no free sites for test yourself, so... I am trying to create one
16:09.44justingiboneyI don't have the test ready yet, because I need more questions
16:09.44timinatornice... I'll do what I can to contribute
16:09.51justingiboneyif you want... I am not sure the whole concept will interest people though
16:10.33timinatorI'm interested
16:10.43timinatorbut it'll take a lot of front loading
16:10.52timinatorso don't expect it to take off this week
16:11.02timinatorbut I'm sure it has a market
16:11.21justingiboneyya,i think so... I need to get it its own domain too
16:11.34timinatorespecially for newbies trying to get better
16:11.43timinatorya
16:11.54justingiboneyya.. and I really need to get someone to test my security
16:15.39justingiboneylol
16:16.19timinatorlol
16:17.25timinatormy security knowledge has had little trial-by-fire, so I "think" I'm secure
16:17.27timinator:)
16:19.02justingiboneyya, I picked up http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/phpsec/ and have tried to implement what I have understood
16:20.48justingiboneyanyways, I need to go do some house work... I'll be back later
16:23.02timinatorI'm out too for a bit
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17:15.56justingiboneyHello again
17:16.14timinatorhello
17:21.55timinatornobody has dugg my story  :(
17:21.55timinatorshould've submitted it tomorrow
17:22.04wpsany up to help me debug an Apache problem?
17:22.09wpsI stopped Apache
17:22.15wpsand now can't start it again
17:22.26wpsI run the command to start it and get:
17:22.34wps"/usr/local/apache/bin/apachectl start: httpd could not be started"
17:22.39wps…which isn't very helpful
17:23.32timinatornot very helpful at all
17:23.33wpshow do I find out why it won't start?
17:23.33wpsis there a log that might contain something useful?
17:23.37timinatorya.... but I dont recall where they're stored
17:23.58timinator...checking my server for logs
17:23.59justingiboneyin unix, linux,or apple?
17:24.06wpslinux
17:24.38wpsthere's an httpd log in /var/logs/
17:26.55wpshmm
17:27.08wpsI hate it when things change when nothing has changed
17:27.28timinatormine are under /var/log/apache
17:27.36wpsI made a change to httpd.conf
17:27.40wpsrestarted apache
17:27.54wpsand tested my sites and then didn't come up
17:28.07wpsso I tried restarting again and it said that it couldn't restart because it wasn't currently running
17:28.08timinatorso, comment out the change and try to restart
17:28.16wpsso I tried starting that that didn't work either
17:28.23wpsso, I went back to httpd.conf and change it back
17:28.35wpsand then tried starting apache again and it didn't work
17:28.48wpsand the weird thing is that the "service httpd restart" alias is jacked up
17:28.58timinatorhmmm
17:29.02wpsit is pointing back to the default apache install instead of my custom install
17:30.40wpsI think I found the right log
17:30.42wps<PROTECTED>
17:30.48wpsmy error_log is HUGE
17:31.02wps600 mg
17:31.10timinatorwhen I have errors in the conf file, it'll tell me as much.... so I bet it has more to do with something other than the changes in the conf
17:31.15timinatorDANG
17:31.37wpsyeah, when I run a configtest on httpd.conf it says that the syntax is okay
17:31.58timinatormy error_log is 1.6mg
17:32.20wpsyeah, it a appears to be getting auto cleaned/rotated
17:32.59timinatorya, it should be
17:33.11timinatorotherwise it just continues to build
17:33.22timinatorthen one day, you're out of HD space
17:35.03wpsah-hah!
17:35.04wpsI found it
17:35.17wpshere's what it was if you're interested
17:35.24wpsI recently removed a website from my server
17:35.38timinatorvery interested
17:35.46wps(deleted the actually files/directories)
17:35.55wpsthen today, I removed it from httpd.conf
17:36.08wpsI have separate log files for each domain on my server
17:36.41wpswell, it turns out that I made a mistake cut-n-pasting a long time ago and a different domain was writing it's logs out to the domain's logs that I just deleted
17:36.46timinatorhuh
17:36.59timinatortoo bad the restart error wasn't a bit more descriptive
17:37.01wpsso, when I tried to start apache, it wouldn't start because those logs no longer existed
17:37.05wpsno kidding
17:37.18wpsso, a configtest came back clean because the syntax was good
17:37.28timinatorI gotcha
17:37.32wpsbut it's too bad that the error didn't state "file doesn't exist"
17:37.38wpsI'm glad I caught this quick
17:37.43wpscould have spent all day trying to debug
17:37.49timinatorya, for sure
17:41.18justingiboneyWell, I've got to go shopping now, if you come up with any good PHP questions, make sure to submit them http://forodeherbales.com/phpexam/, cya
17:41.18justingiboneyexit
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17:54.11wpswow…  is there a text editor that can open 600 MB text files?
17:54.14wpsCoda choked
17:54.18wpsand I'm still waiting on vi
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18:02.47wpsfinally came up
18:02.50wpswow, what a file
18:02.54wpslogs three years back
18:06.34_psychic_ouch
18:06.46_psychic_does redhat have logrotate on it by default?
18:07.24wpsI think so
18:07.34wpsI am fairly certain that my other logs are being rotated
18:07.55wpsit would make sense that this one wouldn't be though as logrotate wouldn't know that it exists
18:08.06wps(as it is a custom build of apache)
18:08.22wpsit seems like I would have to tell logrotate about the file
18:11.26_psychic_check root's cron jobs
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18:23.55justingiboneyIt is too hot outside
18:24.16_psychic_79?
18:26.10justingiboneyno 82.5
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18:33.01justingiboneywhat is a good irc client for windows?
18:43.19timinatorjustingiboney: I dunno
18:44.27justingiboneythnks
18:48.44timinatornp
19:26.35timinatorBRB
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19:39.49timinatorback
19:40.08timinatorit's quiet today.... you'd think it was a holiday or something
19:48.00influx^^hello
20:02.09timinatorhello
20:12.57influx^^Hi.
20:12.57timinatorHi
20:12.57influx^^I'm reading an intro to regular expressions, but I"m not sure I'm getting this right.
20:12.57timinatork
20:12.57influx^^/htmlUrl=".*"/
20:13.07influx^^What I'm trying to do is find whatever begins with htmlUrl=" and ends with ".
20:13.27influx^^and then just replace that with whatever is inside the quotes.
20:14.04influx^^I'm doing this in TextWrangler, btw. I don't know if that matters.
20:15.15timinatorTextWrangler is your IDE?
20:15.29timinatorwhat is TextWrangler?
20:15.47influx^^It's a souped-up text editor.
20:15.53influx^^-text
20:16.01timinatork, so that shouldn't matter
20:16.30timinatorI use RE very sparingly.... so another's help would probably be better
20:16.53timinatorbut I'll try
20:17.08influx^^/^htmlUrl=".*"$/ maybe
20:17.11influx^^<PROTECTED>
20:17.18influx^^cool
20:18.11timinatorya, you're on the right track
20:21.22timinatorI hate RE though... because it's so processor intensive
20:21.34timinatorI'd do something like this to find out that info
20:22.02timinatorsubstring($string, 0, 8)=="htmlUrl=";
20:22.21timinators/substring/substr/
20:22.40timinatorand then substr($string, -1)=="."
20:22.54timinatorthen you're using a standard if() statement
20:22.57timinatormuch quicker
20:23.09timinator(and easier to read)
20:24.21timinatorthen you can echo the other section of the string by substr($string, 8, -1)
20:24.35timinatormake sense?
20:27.09influx^^somewhat.
20:27.22influx^^I remember substr() from javascript or php or somewhere.
20:27.46timinatorya, but we're talking PHP
20:28.01timinatorall it does it take a section of the string
20:28.07timinatora "sub string"
20:28.18timinatorthe first int is the start
20:28.22timinatorthe second is the end
20:28.51influx^^*nod*
20:29.04timinatorso if your string is $s="htmlUrl=http://ithinkiknowitall.com/.";
20:29.32timinatorthen substr($s, 0, 8)=="htmlUrl=";
20:29.52timinatorand substr($s, -1)==".";
20:30.06influx^^aye
20:30.36timinatorand substr($s, 8, -1)=="http://ithinkiknowitall.com/";
20:30.47timinatorso, you could do something like this
20:31.32timinatorif((substr($s, 0, 8)=="htmlUrl=") && (substr($s, -1)==".")) { echo substr($s, 8, -1); }
20:31.55timinatorthat's how I roll
20:31.56timinator:)
20:32.42influx^^danke
20:32.55timinatornp
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20:54.39justingiboneyHello again!
20:54.47timinatorhowdy
20:55.13justingiboneyI so need to get something other than dialup
20:55.24timinatorno doubt
20:55.45timinatornot comcast though... they're starting to throttle connections
20:55.54timinatorI'm going to switch to Digis if I can
20:56.05timinatordon't get XMission's Utopia here
20:56.35justingiboneyya... i am too poor for anything other than dialup
20:58.00timinatorya, it is a bit pricier to go w/ broadband
21:00.58justingiboneyguess what, phpexam.com is available
21:01.13timinatorNICE
21:01.49justingiboneynevermind, it isn't
21:02.12justingiboneyphptest.com & .org areunavailable
21:02.22timinatoruurgh
21:03.13justingiboneyphpexamination.com is available
21:03.57justingiboneyand .org
21:04.21justingiboneyI could see people misspelling that
21:10.38timinatorphpsat.com
21:10.38timinatorfor PHP Standard Achievement Test
21:10.38justingiboneyinteresting
21:10.39wpswill the test be just about things specific to PHP? or also include general programming?
21:11.27timinatorya, you could make it general buy buying PSAT.com for Programming Standard Achievement Test
21:11.31justingiboneygeneral programmingknowleg isa must
21:11.35timinatorthen making subdomains for each language
21:11.41timinatorphp.psat.org
21:11.46timinatorasp.psat.org
21:11.53timinatorc.psat.org
21:12.00justingiboneyhmm... that sounds pretty good
21:12.18wpsI don't care too much about the domain, per se, I was just curious what your intentions were with the test
21:13.14timinatorhmmmph, psat.org is already taken
21:13.23justingiboneyI wanted to see how good I was at php, since there are no free testsout there, this idea came to me
21:13.59justingiboneysome of the questions that are up for review now are more of general programming questions
21:14.34timinatorProgSAT.com and .org are available
21:23.25herlowow, one minute nothing is going on, next minute -- its wild!!
21:23.34timinatorLOL
21:23.41justingiboneylol
21:24.14justingiboneymaybe you can help then
21:29.43justingiboneyknowledgeexams.com is available
21:33.39timinatorthat'd work... but it's kind of broad
21:33.39justingiboneywell if it includes other tests in the future it may not be bad
21:33.39timinatorya
21:37.22wpswow, I have apache log entries back to 2004
21:37.24justingiboneypartofyou 600mg
21:37.31timinatorhence the 600M
21:37.37timinatorLOL
21:38.36wpswhat is httpd.pid?
21:42.50justingiboneyhttp://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/logs.html#pidfile
21:44.21wpsah, thanks
21:44.21justingiboneyi have no clue what it means, but that's the definition
21:44.28wpswhat's the vote of the channel?
21:44.40wpsa single log for all sites? or individual logs for each site (on a single box)
21:45.12justingiboneyI think it would depend on how many errors each site creates
21:45.12timinatorya
21:45.19timinatorI've been happy w/ 1 file
21:45.20wpsnot many
21:45.22wpslow traffic
21:45.32timinatorbut that may not fit your needs
21:45.39wpsyeah, I think that I've made it more complicated then it needs to be with separate logs for each site
21:47.00wpstime for some clean up
21:54.15wpsif each site (virtualhost) is using the same log file, do I need to specify it in the virtual host container?
21:54.15wpsprobably not, right?
21:54.15wpsI would only need that in each if they were different
21:54.15wpsif they are the same then the entry farther up in httpd.conf some probably be sufficient, right?
21:54.15timinatorright
21:54.20wpscool
21:54.26wpsthat'll clean up my httpd.conf a bit
21:54.32timinatoryep
21:55.54timinatormine generally look like this:
21:56.03timinator<VirtualHost *:80>
21:56.03timinator<PROTECTED>
21:56.03timinator<PROTECTED>
21:56.03timinator<PROTECTED>
21:56.04timinator<PROTECTED>
21:56.04timinator<PROTECTED>
21:56.05timinator<PROTECTED>
21:56.07timinator<PROTECTED>
21:56.09timinator<PROTECTED>
21:56.11timinator<PROTECTED>
21:56.13timinator<PROTECTED>
21:56.15timinator</VirtualHost>
21:56.23timinatorThen i build off that if needed
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21:58.46justingiboneyhello mindjuj1
21:58.57timinatorhello mindjuju
21:59.16mindjuj1sup gents
21:59.25herlomindjuj1: !!! w00t!
21:59.27mindjuj1didn't see that i wasn't connected into chat until now
21:59.41justingiboneymy ceiling is up
22:00.09herlojustingiboney: most ceilings are
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22:00.34justingiboneyunless your standing on them
22:00.41timinatorthe real question is, "Are your floors still down"?
22:02.44justingiboneynot the one above me
22:02.44wpscan you do a wildcard with rm?
22:02.44wpslike…
22:02.44wpsrm -rf /sites/*/.logs
22:02.45timinatoranyone use tabber?
22:03.02wpsdon't we have someone in the group by that name? :)
22:03.09timinator:)
22:03.19timinatorI mean the JS library
22:03.33timinatorfor making dynamic tabs
22:03.37timinatorworks great
22:04.13timinatorbut I've got a nested set of tabs and IE is throwing the whole thing over top of another div
22:04.16timinatoruurgh
22:04.24timinatorworks great if FF and Camino
22:04.29timinatoruurgh
22:04.39timinator~kill IE
22:04.40jbotACTION shoots a super-inverse anti-graviton gun at IE
22:04.48timinator~lart IE
22:04.48jbotoverclocks IE until IE burns out
22:04.57timinatorthat should take care of it
22:05.11timinatorthank you jbot
22:06.04mindjujuman, when i'm CEO of some major corp, i want a helicopter with red neon trim
22:06.29timinatornice
23:03.44timinatorI'm out... later guys
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23:56.41mindjujuit's funny to watch tron and see how much tech has changed

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