IRC log for #uphpu on 20070831

00:00.04thebigdogwell i walk into the room...passing out 100 bills
00:00.52thebigdogand gives him some
00:01.12mindjujui'm running out of country music
00:01.20thebigdoghaha...that was great
00:02.26thebigdogcause mindjuju got servered a little
00:02.26mindjujuyup, nothing else old country western
00:03.19mindjujuoh!  
00:04.02thebigdoghaha
00:04.24mindjujuwhew!  that was like a count of 9, but that's all i got left is Garth Brooks
00:04.40mindjujubut i gots tons of Garth
00:05.18thebigdogmindjuju knows that thebigdog is the Brad Paisley - Celebrity
00:06.35thebigdogftw
00:08.24thebigdoghaha
00:09.22mindjujuheh
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02:53.02mindjujusup mgeary
02:53.30mgearyheya
02:54.07mgearygetting the kids into bed, gonna let the kids listen to some stories on the computer
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03:03.46mgearyokay, for anyone listening, what's your take on this scenario--
03:04.48mgearylet's say your (non technical) mother wanted to launch a small online business selling handmade crafts. what e-commerce solution would you recommend? i'm thinking something very liteweight like amazon/yahoo/ebay storefronts...
03:05.08mindjujuconcur
03:05.26mgearyanyone have any experience with any of those?
03:05.59mgearyhahah
03:06.08mindjujumany many MANY moons ago, i used Yahoo websites
03:06.35mindjujuwhen they were first doing that, like back in '98 if i recall correctly
03:06.40mgearywell, if you're like me, it's because the overhead of a SSL certificate, merchant/vendor account and manual integration with Authorize.net just isn't worth it for a scenario like this
03:07.28mgearyi mean, someone wants to pay my company $25k to build a custom e-commerce we application, no problem.... A family member wants something for free, i'm not so enthusiastic... ;)
03:07.37mindjujunow, the other day, i think it was justin and I were talking and he found google checkout to be really cool
03:07.56mindjujuand it had no merchant fees until Jan 08 or something
03:07.57mgearyyeah, that's a good tip
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03:25.29mindjujusup yo
03:25.46thebigdognot much just doing some work
03:26.07thebigdogmindjuju, you use mp3sparks
03:26.26mindjujuhaven't.  I did use allofmp3, but haven't created an account at mp3sparks
03:26.40mindjujuheard it was having the same problem as allofmp3, no credit card processor
03:26.51thebigdogit does
03:26.59thebigdogit uses a 3rd party
03:27.03thebigdogbut im not sure about it
03:27.12mindjujuwhich 3rd party?  chronopay?
03:27.18mindjujuchronopay worked good
03:27.22thebigdogyeah i think so
03:27.33mindjujuk, chronopay turns out was legit and I had no probs
03:27.44mindjujuthough
03:27.53mindjujui always use a special CC for that type of stuff
03:28.05thebigdogyeah
03:28.11mindjujuthat literally only has $100 and isn't connected to anything
03:28.22thebigdogwhat type of cc?
03:28.34mindjujuit's a VISA, but not even at same bank
03:29.01thebigdogi was thinking of getting one of those cc that you can get at the stores
03:29.04thebigdoglike walmart
03:29.17mindjujuoh, like the prepaid, that's prolly a better idea
03:29.24thebigdogyeah something like that
03:29.43mindjujudidn't know where you bought them, but got one for Christmas, that was an Amex with $50
03:29.51thebigdogyep they use chronopay
03:29.58mindjujuhmmm...
03:30.28mindjujuactually, the funny thing is that a russian judge just rulled that allofmp3 was in compliance with russian law, if i recall correctly
03:30.49thebigdogyeah they got major heat form us though
03:30.52thebigdogbig time
03:31.01thebigdogbut i love their business model
03:31.08mindjujuyeah, i know about the RIAA stuff, but this was just recent
03:31.12mindjujulike in the last couple of weeks
03:31.25mindjujuhere it is
03:31.25mindjujuhttp://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/16/1319201&from=rss
03:32.15mindjujuthey actually turned around and VISA and MasterCard had to process some charges that were held up or something
03:32.41thebigdoghaha nice
03:32.46thebigdogi figure it is my money
03:33.08thebigdogbut i'm not sure what they did wrong...besides not paying the record companies
03:33.28mindjujuwell, they paid to the right Russian office, but the RIAA wouldn't accept it
03:33.42mindjujuthe reason is that if they did accept, then that would act as an agreement
03:34.03mindjujulegitimize allofmp3
03:34.13thebigdogtrue
03:34.44mindjujuthe funny thing is that there isn't a law that is violated when you purchase music from allofmp3, AFAIK
03:35.03mindjujuwhich is why nobody who paid with a CC has ever been sent a suit
03:35.18thebigdogyeah
03:35.47mindjujuthx for letting me know about Chronopay, id din't know that was back up
03:36.15thebigdogyeah seems like it is
03:36.25thebigdogi need to find a way to pay that and get some tunes
03:37.03thebigdogmindjuju, you have any finger eleven
03:37.06thebigdogthe new album?
03:37.22mindjujucan't say i've even heard of finger eleven
03:37.25mindjujusorry
03:38.11thebigdognp
03:38.40mindjujugot any Techmaster PEB on that side?
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03:40.32mindjujusup beandog
03:40.39beandogholas
03:40.46thebigdognope
03:44.29beandogmindjuju: watchoo doing.;
03:44.45mindjujustylin' and profilin'
03:44.51mindjujuword
03:45.18mindjujuactually, no profilin', i'm married.  actually,just updating several pages
03:45.31mindjujubut first, trying to setup a music queue of old skool rap
03:45.45beandogheh
03:45.46mindjujuwhat about you
03:46.57beandognothing,r eally
03:47.44thebigdognice
03:49.01thebigdogmindjuju, they have pretty good download speeds too
03:49.35mindjujuyeah, they serve up tunez really nice
03:51.26beandogoh man
03:51.32beandogwhat would we do without the youtubes.
03:52.07mindjujuyeah, true that
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08:21.44wpsmindjuju: you around?
08:21.47wpsanyone else?
08:22.12wpsdoes anyone know if you can dump only certain tables from a MySQL database? (opposed to the entire database)
09:03.49wpsnevermind
09:03.50wpsfound it
09:03.50wpsyou can
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14:02.20jsmithHey, any MSSQL gurus here?
14:09.03jsmithNever mind, I found what I needed
14:09.10macnewboldI know enough about MSSQL to know you'll be better off with MySQL... ;)
14:09.26jsmithAnd I know enough MySQL to know I'd be better off with PostgreSQL
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14:14.03SunSparchehe
14:14.11SunSparcAnything but MSSQL
14:19.20jsmithOf course, I'm very opinionated with it comes to databases, so don't get me started
14:27.47SunSparc:)
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14:38.51timinatormorning guys
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14:47.12SunSparcYes, it is.
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15:12.59mgeary~morning
15:13.00jbotGood morning!
15:23.08mgearyjbot, how are you?
15:23.08jbotmgeary: mas o menos
15:23.14mgearyheh, yeah, i hear ya
15:23.21PoeticIntensityc'mon, jbot, it's Friday~!
15:23.57mgeary~friday PoeticIntensity
15:24.03mgearyhmm
15:24.04mgeary~friday
15:24.05jbotFriday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway.
15:24.08mgearyhah
15:24.26mgearyjbot, no, Friday rocks my world
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15:32.29orsonj~friday
15:32.30jbotFriday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway.
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15:49.01SunSparcjbot, Friday's are a very good thing.
15:49.02jbotokay, SunSparc
15:49.55mgeary~friday
15:49.56jbotFriday sucks, because it should be the weekend, but you're stuck working anyway.
15:50.02orsonj~friday's
15:50.02jbotfriday's are a very good thing.
15:50.10mgearyah
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15:50.33SunSparc:)
15:51.33SunSparcGo for it!
15:52.10mgearynot gonna
15:52.31SunSparcApparently
15:52.32SunSparc:)
15:52.37mgearyhah. touche
15:52.40SunSparclol
15:52.45mgearyhey, can anyone quantify the difference between dsa and rsa?
15:53.01mgearymore than just, "more secure"
15:53.12SunSparcI have often wondered the same but have not taken the time to research it much.
15:53.46SunSparcI think I have come to the conclusion that dsa is "better", but I have nothing to base that off of.
15:54.29mgearydangit, SunSparc, that's not good enough! get in there and do some research!
15:54.37SunSparcLOL
15:54.54SunSparc"bite me"
15:55.35SunSparcA quick google show there has been quite a bit of discussion on the topic
15:55.45SunSparchttp://www.linuxforums.org/forum/linux-security/3515-rsa-versus-dsa.html
15:56.46SunSparcSee the last post on that page.
15:57.42mgearyaaahhhh
15:57.50mgearyit is modeled from the ElGamal and Schnorr schematics
15:57.59SunSparchehe
16:07.06mgearyorsonj: have you used htcheck recently? it seems promising, but the reqs are for fairly old versions of mysql + php....
16:07.51orsonjI used it a little less than a year ago
16:17.07orsonjht://Check 1.2.3, mysql Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.24, php4 Version: 4:4.3.10-16
16:17.43orsonjI just installed it on a debian stable box we had laying around
16:24.15orsonjthere is a package in my current ubuntu repos, I'd suspect it would work with recent versions of php/mysql
16:24.17mgearyorsonj: any evidence that it would break on php5/mysql5?
16:24.21mgearyah
16:25.27orsonjI don't think the db stuff is very complex. I doubt v4/v5 would affect it much.
16:25.42mgearyyeah, it's probably more likely that php5 would break it than mysql5
16:26.03orsonjwell, the php part is optional
16:26.25mgearyah
16:26.40mgearyso is the app itself a compiled binary? perl?...?
16:27.45orsonjI believe htcheck itself is some scripting language
16:28.06orsonjthere is a php script that shows what was collected and stored in the db
16:28.42orsonjnevermind, it seems to be compiled
16:31.21orsonja quick look at the (debian) package dependencies show php4|php3
16:32.02orsonjthe ubuntu package depencencies show php5|php4
16:41.41thebigdogman IE is really making me mad
16:42.04thebigdogi didnt know it adds random font-size to an element
16:42.06SunSparc~lart IE
16:42.06jbotputs on some milking gloves. "All right, now, IE, this won't hurt a bit...."
16:42.25thebigdogjbot, milk it bro
16:42.25jbotACTION puts on some milking gloves.  "All right, now, it bro, this won't hurt a bit...."
16:42.39thebigdoghehe
16:42.46thebigdog~milk SunSparc
16:42.47jbotACTION puts on some milking gloves.  "All right, now, SunSparc, this won't hurt a bit...."
16:42.52SunSparcOUCH!!!
16:42.53mgearyewww
16:43.00orsonjhere are some screenshots of the htcheck results I did: http://tetratech.info/htcheck/
16:43.01thebigdog~fart mgeary
16:43.01jbotACTION farts in mgeary's general direction
16:44.05orsonj~late mgeary
16:44.05jbotACTION mgeary is passed on, is no more, has ceased to be, has expired and gone to meet its maker. mgeary is a late mgeary, a stiff, bereft of life. mgeary rests in peace! If mgeary hadn't been nailed in place mgeary would be pushing up the daisies. mgeary has run down the curtain and joined the choir invisible. mgeary is an ex-mgeary.
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16:46.10SunSparc"The spark of his life is smothered in shades"  "His life is gone but his stench remains"
16:46.36orsonjit only let me do so much
16:46.48SunSparc:)
16:47.02SunSparc256  character limit?
16:47.09orsonjso, I did the longest segment without interruption
16:47.26orsonjit's close to what it's at now
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16:48.43orsonjaround 300
16:53.18thebigdogwps you around?
16:53.23wpsI am
16:53.44thebigdogi wanted to through out a little conversation for ya and anyone else
16:54.27thebigdogquestion: what is your preferred font size unit (px, pt, em) and why?
16:54.34wpseasy
16:54.50wpspx, because it's the only one that I can achieve consistent results across all browsers
16:55.09*** topic/#UPHPU by thebigdog -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org | Conversation: font size units
16:55.37orsonjsometimes I use px for the body tag and em/% for everything else.
16:56.08orsonjif you do print style sheets, pt can be usefull
16:56.12thebigdoghowever, with px you have to worry about screen resolution right?
16:57.00wpsnot any more than you do with your images
16:57.06orsonjnot sure, haven't read/tried stuff about that.
16:57.06thebigdogk
16:57.28wpspx is a (if not _the_) perfect unit of measure for screen… screens are built with pixels
16:57.33thebigdogwhy use a relative instead of absolute measuement unit?
16:58.11wpspersonal preference, really
16:58.26wpsI like accuracy and consistency
16:58.46wpsI like to know that my text will be exactly x number of pixels that I declare it to be
16:59.23orsonjyep, but some of use feel bad for people with poor vision who use ie6.
16:59.32wpstrue
16:59.33wpsI don't
16:59.53wpsthere are those that believe that it should all be relative…  you declare the body in an absolute and then base everything off of that in ems or percentages
17:00.20orsonjbut you have to be more carefull that way.
17:00.29wpsI don't like doing it that way though
17:00.41wpstoo much of a guessing game and not accurate enough
17:00.44orsonjpx is _much_ easier to predict
17:00.48wpsyup
17:00.58orsonjand most good browsers will properly scale it.
17:00.58wps…as each browser does it's math differently
17:01.32wpshonestly, the only negative to px is that IE 6 doesn't allow you to resize the text when declared that way
17:01.38wpsbut I personally don't care
17:01.41wpsand use it anyway
17:02.55orsonjit is nice to use em for container widths when you care about people who resize text.
17:03.24orsonjhowever it is common to provide multiple style sheets for different size text and put links to set the default style.
17:03.41wpssee, and I would _never_ use anything besides pixels for layout
17:04.19orsonj(AAAAA) at the top of websites (different sizes for each A)
17:04.24wpsem for text, maybe…  but not for layout
17:05.02wpsnot saying that it's wrong or improper, but just that it's not for me
17:05.12wpsI demand too much accuracy
17:05.34thebigdogdoes IE7 like pt?
17:05.47wpsI don't know. pt is for the physical world though
17:06.09thebigdogi see it converting to it
17:06.22wpsyou see what?
17:06.33thebigdogi see that IE7 will convert to pt
17:06.43wpswhat do you mean?
17:06.51thebigdogi define things in px
17:07.12thebigdogbut when i view the elements in IE7 with IE developer toolbar i see them all in pt
17:07.36wpsinteresting
17:07.41thebigdogwhich changes font size in form elements...notably inputs
17:08.18thebigdoglet me grab a screen shot
17:26.29thebigdogcheck this out - http://zeus.thebigdog.biz/ie7.jpg
17:27.01thebigdognotice the input font size
17:27.06thebigdogon the bottom right
17:27.32thebigdogi have that set in the css as 10px for the labels and input
17:27.47thebigdogand the font family is different too
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17:38.00tierrayou know, I thought I installed that IE Dev Toolbar at one point, but I couldn't actually find it in IE after it was installed
17:39.16SunSparcMicrosoft seems to work pretty hard at making their apps, less than intuitive.
17:40.23wps… less then compliant
17:40.25wps…less than stable
17:40.41macnewbold...less than secure
17:41.01macnewbold...less than the competition
17:41.17influx^^less than three
17:41.18influx^^?
17:42.40wpshuh?
17:46.54mgearythat's like saying you like to hit your thumb with a hammer because it feels so good when you stop
17:49.06tierraso did PLUG / SLLUG decide to start doing Geek Lunches because of UPHPU?
17:49.21influx^^PLUG?
17:49.26tierraor were they doing that before, just on much rare occasions?
17:49.33tierraProvo Linux Users Group
17:49.36influx^^ah
17:55.43SunSparcmgeary:  So true
17:55.57wpsprobably
17:56.03wpswe rock and they are jealous
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18:08.57*** topic/#UPHPU by thebigdog -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
18:11.09mgearyyou know gang, you've all been working hard this week. I'm gonna give you the rest of the day off.
18:11.30mgearynow now, don't thank me
18:12.44macnewboldsweet
18:12.57macnewbolddoes that mean you'll finish everything on my plate for the rest of the day?
18:13.13macnewboldnext thing you'll tell us we don't have to come in on Monday either...
18:19.40thebigdog~give mgeary a bowl of crap
18:19.41jbotACTION gives a bowl of crap to mgeary
18:19.57mgearyno thanks, i'm still full from breakfast
18:34.31influx^^~APB Jimmy Hoffa
18:34.33jbotACTION calls Dog the Bounty Hunter to find Jimmy Hoffa
18:59.55Supaplex|roamingmacnewbold: you have my permisson to ;)
19:00.38mindjujusup gents
19:01.00mindjuju~seen dataw0lf
19:01.03jbotdataw0lf is currently on #utah (4d 1h 38m 25s) #uphpu (4d 1h 38m 25s), last said: 'fungus: argh, you got to it first ;)'.
19:24.00macnewbold~seen fungus
19:24.02jbotfungus is currently on #utah (3h 55m 5s) #uphpu (3h 55m 5s), last said: 'I want one of these.  http://www.vespausa.com/Products/GTS.cfm'.
19:47.15thebigdogmacnewbold im here though
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19:56.14wpsI want a shake
19:56.17wpssome cobbler
19:56.25wpscookies
19:56.29wpslicorice
19:56.37wpsa smoothie
19:56.44wpschips and salsa
19:56.45thebigdogwps, what dont you want
19:57.04wpsand a fajita
19:57.39thebigdog~pass wps some flan
19:58.16thebigdog~give wps some flan
19:58.17jbotACTION gives some flan to wps
19:58.23wps~flan
19:58.49thebigdog~wiki flan
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19:59.09wpsoooo!
19:59.11wpssounds nice
19:59.37thebigdoghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cr%C3%A8me_caramel
19:59.44thebigdogi ate that too much in my life
20:00.09thebigdogthis is how i ate it -
20:00.28thebigdoghttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Flan_con_dulce_de_leche.jpg
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20:02.17bradymmmm.. flan
20:02.38influx^^omgflah
20:02.40influx^^err
20:02.43influx^^flahhh
20:02.48influx^^no! flahhhh
20:02.51influx^^:(
20:04.21thebigdogmy fav hamburger - http://www.mission.net/argentina/buenos-aires/west/pix/1176519201_barfy.jpg
20:04.50influx^^damn you thebigdog
20:05.03influx^^Now I'm going to have to walk down the street to the mexican restaurant and buy some flan.
20:05.20thebigdogoh so sorry
20:05.33influx^^:)
20:05.47influx^^Ooh ooh. Have you ever had pastel de tres leches?
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20:07.12thebigdogy
20:07.31influx^^Mmm.
20:08.29thebigdogmy bbq http://www.photo-mundo.com/argentine-argentina/grillade/pages/Grillade-Argentine-Barbecue-GR02.html
20:09.20wpsmmm
20:09.22wpsI want to eat
20:09.26wpsso hungry
20:11.27thebigdogfor wps -
20:11.37thebigdoghttp://the2ndhalf.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/08/25/prosciutto.jpg
20:12.04thebigdogprosciutto with parmigiano reggiano on ciabatta
20:12.19mgeary~buy wps flan-in-a-tube
20:12.20jbotACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen flan-in-a-tubes for wps
20:14.59wpseven after upgrading to the latest release, the butt heads in Russian are still exploiting a flaw and posting directly to the create-an-account script
20:15.10wpss/Russian/Russia/
20:16.06thebigdogwhat software?
20:16.13wpsWord Press
20:16.21thebigdogjust block all russians
20:16.36wpsI do for email
20:16.45wpsI don't accept email from anywhere outside of the US
20:16.51thebigdogclock them from your webserver
20:17.01thebigdogblock
20:18.11thebigdogwps do you know the ip addresses
20:18.22wpsno
20:18.28wpshaven't looked into it that closely yet
20:19.16wpsthinking of just adding a simple hack to the registration scrip that checks for a certain, non-standard-to-generic-word-press variable, and only submits if its there
20:25.05thebigdogblocking ip would be faster imo
20:25.20wpsI doubt it's all coming from the same IP though
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20:54.45timinatorsomeone needs to make an open source version of the Google Analytics
21:06.41thebigdog~elect timinator
21:08.39timinatorLOL
21:08.43timinatordangit
21:08.57timinator:)
21:11.12thebigdogman if i did anything like analytics i would charge for it
21:11.26timinatorya, fo sho
21:11.29mindjujugoogle is going to take over the world
21:11.32mindjujuand i'm going to help them
21:11.41mindjujuplus, i want to buy a google phone
21:11.42timinatormindjuju: WHAT?!?!
21:11.52thebigdoggoogle can take over the world...im just going ot learn french
21:11.55timinatoryou're going to help them
21:12.21mindjujudude, google is to powerful a force
21:12.41thebigdogjust another MS
21:13.26mindjujunah, even at its prime, nothing MS ever created was ever as cool as Google Maps with the realtime recalculate -- drag and drop feature
21:13.50timinatorGoogle has one main thing over MS..... they create solid software
21:13.58thebigdogbut google is buying cool companies that do that stuff
21:14.18thebigdoganalytics is not google software though
21:14.19timinatorMS isn't even doing that much
21:14.25thebigdogthat was created by urchin
21:14.55mindjujuyeah, but it's had a year and a half to be googlized
21:15.00mindjujuand the new interface is googlized
21:15.09thebigdogwell that is urchin 5
21:15.12timinatorhow much did urchin get for it?
21:15.45thebigdogthey did not sell all the way
21:15.53thebigdoggoogle got urchin 5
21:15.59thebigdogurchin has 6 out now
21:16.18thebigdogthey did a partnership
21:17.12thebigdogbut the urchin guys are working at google
21:17.17thebigdogso i figure it is the same thing
21:17.52timinatorthe products tab on urchin's web site goes right to google
21:18.05thebigdogyeah it is all crazy
21:18.16mgearyis there anyway to use html to scale an image so that it's always scaled proportionally, yet fix it to a maximum width & height?
21:18.31Supaplex|roamingmost of us can see how microsoft devalued hotmail
21:18.32thebigdogjavascirpt
21:18.34timinatorthings get crazy when you add enough zeros to the payout
21:18.46mindjujuyeah, mgeary use JS
21:18.46mgearyfor example, i have 20 images of varying sizes. I don't want to (or need to) create thumbs, but i want them to be viewable in a thumbnail grid
21:18.58thebigdogtiminator, yeah those urchin guys got a lot of $$$$
21:18.59mgearyhrm
21:19.02thebigdogmore than i will ever see
21:19.28timinatormore than any of us will ever see.... put together, I'd wager
21:19.46thebigdogyeah
21:19.55thebigdogurchin was like 4 guys
21:20.01thebigdogand those 4 are working at google now
21:20.02timinatorI'd love to see 9 figures in C notes in one room
21:20.43timinatorI'd roll around naked in them
21:21.00thebigdoghaha
21:21.22thebigdogi think out of all of urchin's employees one is not at google
21:21.41thebigdogmeaning key people though
21:21.43timinatorhe's rolling around naked in his C notes
21:21.48thebigdognot sure about janitor
21:22.56thebigdogwow i make more than larry page per year
21:23.00Supaplex|roaminggetting paper cuts
21:23.14thebigdogoh wait that is was in 2005
21:23.20thebigdoghe might be up to my salary
21:23.30thebigdoghe got me on net worth though
21:23.33mindjujuwell, in case anybody is curious, this is what 205 million looks like stashed in a room
21:23.34mindjujuhttp://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/americas/08/02/mexico.agents.ap/index.html
21:24.12timinatorLOL.... I was loading that pic on my server to share just now
21:24.14timinatorLOL
21:24.36timinator>205 million
21:24.53timinatorthat means that there was 250 million
21:25.04timinatorand now, each of the raiders is a millionaire
21:25.18timinatorand several polititions
21:25.20timinator:)
21:25.22Supaplex|roamingit's worth more in person. pff pictures. only worth 1000 words.
21:26.14thebigdogit nice to see mexico has a billionaire in the top 3
21:26.42mindjujuactually that dude in charge of the telco just surpassed bill
21:26.45thebigdoghe is the owner of compusa and some cartels
21:26.56thebigdogyeah
21:27.00thebigdogmy good friend carlos
21:27.10thebigdogi call him slim for short
21:27.16timinatorLOL
21:27.24mindjujujuan delgado ?
21:27.34mindjujuor, rather carlos delgado?
21:28.06Supaplex|roaminghe owns compussr? hah
21:28.18thebigdogcarlos slim helu
21:28.27thebigdogyeah that is one company
21:28.39thebigdoghe is in all the good stuff
21:28.50thebigdogoil, telecommunications, computers
21:29.38thebigdoghe owns apple too
21:29.44thebigdogsorry stock in apple
21:30.47thebigdogwow that man had or has stock in some large companies
21:31.38thebigdogwow...he makes around $27m a day
21:32.06timinatorI'm in the wrong business
21:32.23mgearyjeeze
21:32.24mgearyi tell ya
21:32.30mindjujutoo cool http://www.hlfallout.net/images/content/image_34832.jpg
21:33.57Supaplex|roaminghaha cool
21:34.40mindjujuwouldn't that be cool, to put those symbols all over the place, and then put like a little cache of bandaids and first aid stuff nearby?
21:36.08Supaplex|roamingwell what are you waiting for? where's our pics? :)
21:36.26mindjuju:)
21:36.39mindjujuSYN herlo
21:37.59mindjujutoo funny - http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0830071drive1.html
21:38.10mindjujudrunk woman had 5 year old driver her home
21:41.08tierraAnyone needing issue tracking software for an open source project can now consider using Eventum (from the MySQL AB guys)
21:41.13tierrahttp://eventum.mysql.org/wiki/index.php/Open_Source_Project_Mod
21:41.56mindjujutierra, does it come wth a calendar that shows you in calendar view what tasks when?
21:41.59mindjujuor export to ical?
21:42.44tierraummm... there's default issue variables for projected finish date and stuff... but I don't use that, so I'm not sure
21:43.01tierrahttp://tracker.svnlogbrowser.org/list.php <- there's something you can play with
21:43.22tierraactually, I've disabled those fields, so that won't be helpful for you
21:43.32mindjujuyeah, just noticing
21:45.32tierraI'm not really aware of any todo list / task list stuff built into it
21:45.53tierrayou probably want some kind of basecamp service for that
21:46.40tierranot that you couldn't save a search for issues assigned to yourself with Eventum
21:46.47tierraand sort by dates or whatever
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21:52.04mgearygood riddance
21:52.11mgearyoh, wait....
21:52.21bigdog_uti hate that guy
21:52.43mindjujuit's that el_gaucho guy that's trouble
21:52.45timinatorhe would always flip me off
21:52.59mindjuju~flip timinator
21:53.00jbotACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|.
21:53.03timinatorLOL
21:53.06el_gauchoim in the house
21:53.10el_gauchoclear
21:53.15el_gauchoall clear
21:53.30timinator~flip mindjuju
21:53.30jbotACTION gives mindjuju the .|.. ..|.
21:53.35el_gauchohola mis amigos
21:53.44el_gaucho~flip timinator and mindjuju
21:53.44jbotACTION gives timinator and mindjuju the .|.. ..|.
21:53.56mindjuju~crackskulls timinator
21:53.57jbotACTION grabs timinator and macnewbold 's heads and slams them together knocking both unconscious.  Jbot then turns to mindjuju to see who else needs a wallop.
21:54.09mindjuju~macattack el_gaucho
21:54.10jbotACTION uses a paperclip to hotwire el_gaucho's car!
21:54.21timinator~timattack mindjuju
21:54.22jbotACTION get's Ash's chainsaw and starts to chase mindjuju!
21:54.23el_gaucho~melvin mindjuju
21:54.24jbotACTION pulls mindjuju underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles
21:54.33mindjuju~dhit timinator
21:54.34jbotACTION performs Dog Collar of the Heavens on timinator
21:54.42mindjuju~bdhit el_gaucho
21:54.42jbotACTION and mindjuju demonstrates the Iron Two Killers Hand on el_gaucho's forehead
21:54.42macnewbold~rlart
21:54.43jbothurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at fungus
21:55.06el_gaucho~tunafart macnewbold
21:55.07jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to macnewbold, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
21:55.16macnewboldokay, that one really needs to be removed
21:55.20el_gaucho~pimpslap mindjuju
21:55.20jbotel_gaucho pimpslaps mindjuju.  ouch!
21:55.22macnewboldmakes me feel nauseated
21:55.50el_gaucho~fling mindjuju
21:55.51jbotACTION flings poo at mindjuju
21:55.56mindjuju~monkey el_gaucho
21:55.56jbotACTION flings poo at el_gaucho
21:56.01macnewbold~tagteam el_gaucho
21:56.02jbotACTION climbs to the top rope of the ring and launches himself at el_gaucho!  macnewbold slams el_gaucho with a folding chair!  el_gaucho is down for the count!
21:56.02PoeticIntensityholy cow... must be Friday er something...
21:56.17el_gaucho~lart macnewbold
21:56.17jbotholds macnewbold to the floor and spanks him with a cat-o-nine-tails
21:56.18mindjuju~porkchop timinator
21:56.19jbotACTION spits on a porkchop and feeds it to timinator   Eat up!
21:56.28el_gaucho~whip PoeticIntensity
21:56.29jbotACTION takes PoeticIntensity outside to be thoroughly whipped by el_gaucho
21:56.29timinator~lart mindjuju
21:56.29jbotburns mindjuju to a crisp with a laser
21:56.30mindjuju~oreilly el_gaucho
21:56.31jbotACTION releases bill o'reilly from his basement cell! Sic 'em boy!  el_gaucho is left in tatters...
21:56.39timinator~lart el_guacho
21:56.39jbotsteals el_guacho's mojo
21:56.41mindjuju~whaleslap timinator
21:56.42jbotACTION beats timinator upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
21:56.43el_gaucho~rlart
21:56.44jbotsquishes ChanServ like a bug
21:56.55el_gauchono not the mojjo
21:56.59el_gaucho~lart timinator
21:56.59jbotaccelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets timinator feel it
21:56.59timinatorLMAO
21:57.07mindjujui got plenty of mojo
21:57.15timinator~alicekill el_gaucho
21:57.15jbotI want to kill el_gaucho, I mean, I wanna, I wanna kill el_gaucho. Kill. I wanna see el_gaucho's blood and gore and guts and have el_gaucho's veins in my teeth.  Eat el_gaucho's dead burnt body.  I mean kill, Kill, KILL, KILL.  and I jump around with timinator, yelling "KILL, KILL"
21:57.20el_gaucho~mojo mindjuju
21:57.43el_gaucho~kill timinator
21:57.43jbotACTION shoots a charged fluxproton gun at timinator
21:57.45mindjuju~slap el_gaucho
21:57.46jbotACTION slaps el_gaucho, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
21:57.57PoeticIntensity~crazytrain el_gaucho
21:57.59el_gaucho~tailslap mindjuju
21:57.59jbotACTION whacks mindjuju with a giant beaver's tail.
21:58.05el_gauchohaha
21:58.08el_gauchothat is great
21:58.09PoeticIntensity~pimpslap el_gaucho
21:58.09jbotpoeticintensity pimpslaps el_gaucho.  ouch!
21:58.10timinatorhaha
21:58.30el_gaucho~harpoon PoeticIntensity  
21:58.31mindjuju~emusmack poeticintensity
21:58.46timinator~flip you all
21:58.47jbotACTION gives you all the .|.. ..|.
21:58.51timinatorLOLOL
21:59.02el_gaucho~poop timinator
21:59.07mgearydangit
21:59.12timinator~monkey el_gaucho
21:59.13jbotACTION flings poo at el_gaucho
21:59.17timinatorhehe
21:59.24el_gaucho~dirty timinator
21:59.32timinator~pimpslap el_gaucho
21:59.33jbottiminator pimpslaps el_gaucho.  ouch!
21:59.33el_gaucho~stinky timinator
21:59.34jbotACTION throws timinator into the shower and scrubs vigorously with Liquid Plumber and a wire brush. "Ewww, i am NOT cleaning the hair from the drain"
21:59.44el_gaucho~rock timinator
21:59.45timinatorLOL
21:59.55el_gaucho~lart timinator
21:59.55jbotexecutes killall -KILL timinator
22:00.03timinator~timattack el_gaucho
22:00.04jbotACTION get's Ash's chainsaw and starts to chase el_gaucho!
22:00.07timinator~lart el_gaucho
22:00.07jbotputs el_gaucho through a wood chipper
22:00.09el_gaucho~scare timinator
22:00.10jbotACTION puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at timinator
22:00.13timinator~rlart  el_gaucho
22:00.15mindjuju~frenchassault orsonj
22:00.16jbotACTION summons the french taunter! orsonj, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters!  Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a!
22:00.26el_gaucho~spank timinator
22:00.27jbotACTION bends timinator over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on timinator's pasty white buttocks.
22:00.28mindjuju~wiseguy timinator
22:00.29jbotACTION runs up to timinator and pokes timinator in the eyes!
22:00.35el_gauchohaha
22:00.40mindjuju~zombify el_gaucho
22:00.41jbotACTION summons Bill Gates who materializes in front of el_gaucho and using a Windows 3.11 diskette zombifiez el_gaucho! el_gaucho wonders off in a daze slobering
22:00.45el_gauchotiminator's got an ibot tatoo
22:00.56mindjuju~boothead timinator
22:00.56jbotACTION calls the mighty tae-kwon-leep master! timinator, boot to the head!
22:01.10SunSparcEveryone have a happy and safe Labor Day!!
22:01.12el_gauchopasty white
22:01.13timinatoryep, it's right by the iPhone tatoo
22:01.16el_gaucho~tan timinator
22:01.34timinator~whaleslap el_gaucho
22:01.34jbotACTION beats el_gaucho upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
22:01.39mindjuju~macarena influx^^
22:01.39jbotACTION pulls out 100 megawatt PA speakers and starts to play that wonderful Macarena song on eternal repeat. influx^^ is hypnotized and starts to dance uncontrollably!
22:01.43timinator~poo el_gaucho
22:01.43jbotACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at el_gaucho
22:01.51el_gaucho~fling timinator
22:01.52jbotACTION flings poo at timinator
22:01.54timinator~timattack el_gaucho
22:01.54jbotACTION get's Ash's chainsaw and starts to cut el_gaucho down to size!
22:02.03mindjuju~toejam timinator
22:02.04jbotACTION wipes all the crud and timinator from out between his toes. Yuck!
22:02.23timinator~lart mindjuju
22:02.23jbotexplains, ever so gently, that if mindjuju doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help
22:02.38mindjuju~fundieslap timinator
22:02.39jbotACTION points a finger at timinator and yells "fundamentalist" as loudly as possible
22:02.43timinator~poo mindjuju
22:02.44jbotACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at mindjuju
22:02.50timinatorLOL
22:03.09timinator~wiseguy mindjuju
22:03.09jbotACTION runs up to mindjuju and pokes mindjuju in the eyes!
22:03.09mindjuju~shorts timinator
22:03.10jbotACTION mindjuju runs up behind timinator and pulls down the shorts for all to see!
22:03.22timinator~monday mindjuju
22:03.29timinatorhmmmph
22:03.29mindjuju~lie timinator
22:03.34timinator~morning mindjuju
22:03.34jbotACTION bends space and time, trapping mindjuju in a universe of eternal monday mornings
22:04.04timinator~lart mindjuju
22:04.04jbottakes out a seltzer bottle and sprays mindjuju in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed
22:04.25mindjuju~nosepick timinator
22:04.25jbotACTION plucks timinator out of the nose of humanity and wipes him on the couch!
22:04.33timinatorLOL
22:04.51mindjuju~shakespeare macnewbold
22:04.51jbotACTION stands up and quotes Shakespeare: macnewbold - Thou impertinent elf-skinned scullian!
22:04.55timinatorNOW GET BACK TO WORK, YA LAZIES
22:05.04PoeticIntensityain't no way that's happenin'.
22:05.05mindjujuyeah, i have a ton of stuff to do
22:05.12PoeticIntensityIt's 4:06 on Friday.
22:05.29mindjuju~cluebat PoeticIntensity
22:05.30jbotACTION pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps PoeticIntensity.
22:05.51timinatorI have nearly an hour of work that HAS to be finished before I leave
22:05.54timinator:(
22:06.08PoeticIntensity~whine timinator
22:06.08jbotACTION whines about timinator's whining
22:06.14PoeticIntensity:)
22:06.17timinatorLOL
22:06.36timinator~flip PoeticIntensity and mindjuju
22:06.37jbotACTION gives PoeticIntensity and mindjuju the .|.. ..|.
22:11.49timinatorI didn't mean to kill the conversation
22:11.52timinator:)
22:11.58el_gauchooh you did
22:12.11timinator~kill timinator
22:12.11jbotACTION shoots a excited graviton gun at timinator
22:12.21timinatorthud
22:13.19mindjuju~jumpstart timinator
22:13.36timinatorwhew, that was close
22:13.41timinatorty mindjuju
22:15.21mgearyokay, this is driving me crazy
22:15.33mgearyi have some JS that works with an image element
22:15.43mgearygets the height & width, does some calcs, and sets a new h&w
22:15.46mgearywas working just fine
22:16.07mgearynow, nothing substantial has changed, and now, for some reason, the h&w of the element are coming across as zero
22:17.41mgearyi have to assume that the it's because the image isn't loading enough that JS can poll that attribute
22:17.45mgearybut why would that have changed??
22:18.03PoeticIntensityDo you have it on some sort of "onLoad" function?
22:18.06mgearyno
22:18.14PoeticIntensitymight wanna make sure the whole page is loaded before doing something like that.
22:18.17mgearyi'm using scriptaculous' dom Builder thingy
22:18.18mgearyit is
22:18.21PoeticIntensityah
22:18.25mgearythe js is included at the bottom of the page
22:18.31PoeticIntensityweeeeeird.
22:19.36mgearywtf, and now it's working
22:19.38mgeary!!
22:22.41timinatorWOOHOOO
22:22.50timinatorMAN, I'm good!!!
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22:48.58timinatorthebigdog: what was that tool that you like that creates bar graphs off of 2D data
22:49.00timinator?
22:50.33timinatorby 2D data, I mean something like a spreadsheet grid
22:50.47timinatorX and Y == Z
22:51.30timinatordidn't you have something like that that you liked?
22:52.11fungushttp://www.gnuplot.info/
22:52.22timinatora PHP function library that you could pass a multidimensional array to it of the data, and tell it whether you wanted a bar, line or pie graph
22:52.28timinator....checking
22:52.43Supaplex|roamingsup fungus
22:52.58fungusThat's not what you want from PHP though.
22:53.02fungussup
22:53.12timinatoroh
22:53.16timinatorlooks cool though
22:53.33timinatoranyone have something like that for PHP?
22:55.08fungustiminator: I found lots of PHP libraries for that purpose, but no experience with any of them.
22:55.33timinatorright on
22:55.48fungushttp://pear.php.net/package/Image_Graph
22:56.36fungushttp://www.aditus.nu/jpgraph/
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22:56.55fungushttp://graphpite.sourceforge.net/
22:57.16fungusTry them out, then post something on the list or website about your experience.  :)
22:57.57fungusPerhaps a short presentation at a future meeting?
23:00.17mgearyi've used graphite
23:00.26mgearyit's deprecated now, rolled into Pear
23:00.37mgearyit was alright. i did "spider web" charts
23:00.50timinatoraditus looks good from the first glance... have you used that?
23:00.55mgearynot i
23:01.34mgearylater folks
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23:17.29timinatorI'm out... later guys
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23:33.54PoeticIntensityCHAO, ALL!!!
23:34.00PoeticIntensityanyone still here?

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