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00:10.07beandogheh
00:10.12beandognice.
00:15.17PoeticIntensitythankee.
00:15.31PoeticIntensity~beandog ++
00:15.38PoeticIntensity~karma beandog
00:15.38jbotbeandog has karma of 6
00:15.46PoeticIntensity~beandog++
00:15.49PoeticIntensity~karma beandog
00:15.49jbotbeandog has karma of 7
00:18.42beandog:D
00:18.46beandogI am McLovin
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01:13.50mikemI managed to build a form for transfering my data to MYSQL. Now I am looking to master the art of output. From the tutorial I am reading, it looks like you have to output the entire table to a variable and then parse it. This sounds like an inefficient way to handle a big table. Is it necessary?
01:30.08bradymum.. no...
01:30.22bradymwrite an sql query to get the records you want, then display them as you like
01:30.57bradymthat would indeed be a very inefficient way to handle large tables
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04:15.08orsonjreading the blacklog: sunsparc, the urlencode/htmlentities/etc. could be putting %xx stuff in that is confusing printf. PoeticIntensity, I have used EMFF for simple flash based audio stuff.
04:16.18orsonjyes, I realize not all of those people are in right now, but you know how sometimes you have to say your opinion regardless of who is listening.
04:16.51orsonj(case in point: 16+ gazillion blogs)
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04:18.16orsonjhowever, I actually do read a couple semi-regularly (groklaw, ilovemyjournal)
04:19.59orsonjok, I'm out. Later
05:08.04herloso I'm currently looking for a solution/suggestions on how I might download an entire ftp tree with php.  I'd rather not use exec
05:10.31herloany suggestoins?
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07:23.49beandoghola mindjuju
07:24.00mindjujusup beandog , what you doing up so late?
07:24.16beandogmeh
07:24.23beandogworking on a project thats been annoying me.
07:25.01mindjujui know the feeling
07:25.03beandogyou?
07:25.17mindjujuon vacation in Park City, just checking to see what is going on
07:25.37beandogooh
07:25.45beandogI love Park City
07:26.00mindjujuyeah, it's good times, we are hiding out in Mountainside Mariott
07:26.05beandogso pretty
07:26.11beandoggo check out the skate park on Park Ave
07:26.13beandogits super nice.
07:26.17beandogright next to the city partk
07:26.18beandogpark
07:26.41mindjujuwe were hoping to walk around Park city a littl emore
07:26.55mindjujutoday we went up and down mainstreet
07:27.50beandogok I really should be in bed, Im off.
07:27.55beandogenjoy your stay mindjuju
07:28.13mindjujucya!
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15:03.09mgeary~tuesdays
15:03.33jsmithmgeary: See "monday number two"
15:03.40mgearyheh
15:04.49orsonjSunSparc: regarding your problem last night. (although it appears to be working now) urlencode sometimes turns characters into %xx which could have confused printf
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15:12.43SunSparcorsonj: Yes, that seemed to be the consensus last night also.
15:12.50SunSparcWhich is annoying.
15:14.58orsonjI would have done it like this: http://pastebin.ca/673579
15:15.34orsonjforgot one thing, see this one: http://pastebin.ca/673580
15:15.44PoeticIntensityorsonj, thanks for the suggestion on emff player...
15:16.19PoeticIntensitythebigdog, why the hate so early?  It's not even Monday... ;-)
15:19.25SunSparcorsonj: I thought of doing it that way, but that if is just the first of many and it seemed like it would be less redundant to have a var holding the format in case it is changed in the future.
15:21.17orsonjso more like this: http://pastebin.ca/673586
15:22.55SunSparcYes
15:22.57orsonjI think you would want to use urlencode over htmlchars, or perhaps both. ( htmlchars(urlencode($name)) ) I'm still not positive on how to properly encode a link in html ;)
15:23.13orsonjhtmlspecialchars, whatever
15:26.01SunSparcorsonj: Thanks for the help
15:26.38orsonjnp
15:26.53mgeary~lart people who mix display logic and app logic
15:26.53jbotslaps people who mix display logic and app logic around with a large trout
15:28.45orsonjok, I promise not to mix display logic, app logic, and a large trout together.
15:29.11mgearywell, that's ONE convert
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15:30.27thebigdogmgeary, what are they doing?
15:30.42timinatormorning guys
15:32.34mgearythebigdog: aww, nothing egregious, but i'm a Smarty snob
15:32.44mgearybut let's not rehash *that* old argument again... ;)
15:32.53thebigdoghaha...sure thing
15:32.57thebigdogcause smarty sucks
15:33.12timinatorsmarty--
15:33.27SunSparc~lart Smarty
15:33.27jbotinstalls a bad bootloader on Smarty and turns Smarty into a brick
15:34.03SunSparc~karma Smarty
15:34.03jbotsmarty has neutral karma
15:34.11mgeary~smarty++
15:34.20SunSparc~Smarty--
15:34.42SunSparc~PHP Templating ++
15:34.54SunSparc:)
15:35.15mgearyyeah, whatever dude
15:35.17SunSparc~karma PHP Templating
15:35.17jbotphp templating has neutral karma
15:35.25SunSparclol
15:35.51SunSparcIt does have some benefits.
15:35.59SunSparcBut not enough to make me a convert.
15:36.14mgearygood thing i'm not trying to convert ya
15:36.34mgeary;)
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15:37.03SunSparc09:29 mgeary: well, that's ONE convert
15:37.16mgearywaitaminute--
15:37.31mgearyyou're saying that you DO want to mix app logic, display logic and fish?
15:37.46mgeary'cause i AM trying to convert you away from that
15:37.46SunSparchehe, yes that is what I saw him say
15:38.21mgearyi don't (really) care if you don't use Smarty, but if you don't keep your app logic separated from your display logic, i don't want to touch your code with a long stinky pole
15:38.23beandogI want cake
15:38.47SunSparcmgeary: I agree
15:39.02SunSparcjbot, give beandog a cake
15:39.03jbotACTION gives a cake to beandog
15:39.03thebigdogi put all my logic into one egg
15:39.31mgearyjust don't put that egg in one basket...oh, wait
15:40.07SunSparcYou can scramble the egg and THEN distribute it between baskets.
15:40.23mgearyhahaha.
15:40.30SunSparcI am sure there is a metaphor in there somewhere.
15:40.56mgearyhere's another good one-- people who use custom file extensions, like ".cls" for "class", but then don't have apache map that extension to php, so you can pull that code down plaintext
15:41.06timinatordon't mix your eggs and your sausage
15:41.16beandogwhats wrong with that
15:41.22beandogI'm all about free love and code sharing.
15:41.29mgearyheh
15:41.54SunSparcYeah, what is wrong with mixing eggs and sausage?  BK and McDonald's do it all the time.
15:42.02timinatorLOL
15:42.06mgearyi prefer eggs+ham
15:42.11mgearywith cheese
15:42.23mgeary"cheese, Gromit!"
15:42.28timinatorLOL
15:42.36beandogheh
15:42.40SunSparc:)
15:43.29mgearyquick test to see if you're an ignorant American-- how many cheeses can you name?
15:44.02timinatornot more than a dozen
15:44.05timinator:(
15:44.15mgearya dozen would be great for an american
15:44.24mgearyi'd wager most people on the street could name about 3
15:44.35mgearyand one of them would be Kraft Singles/American
15:44.35orsonjlet's see, white, yellow, twist
15:44.45mgearyorsonj: don't forget "squeaky"
15:45.05orsonjmmmmmm.... squeaky... I like _smoked_ squeaky
15:45.53orsonjoh, yeah: blue.  white, yellow, blue and squeaky
15:46.00SunSparccheddar, gouda, swiss, provolone, brie, blue, munster, colby, jack, parmesan, romano....
15:47.02mgearynot bad at all, though for the record, there's not really such thing as "swiss" cheese. I guess it'd be "american swiss cheese"
15:47.39mgearyWendy's used to have real cheddar for a while. it was nice, then they went back to that processed stuff :(
15:48.42beandogtheir napkins are crappy too.
15:48.55SunSparcTheir chili is AWESOME!
15:49.08SunSparchttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese
15:50.05beandogI like their new sandwich
15:50.07beandogwhats it called
15:50.14beandogbah, I cant remember.
15:50.23timinatork..... provolone, swiss, american, cheddar, muenster, brie, parmesan, romano, feta, colby, jack, colby&jack :), mozzarella
15:50.28timinatorthere we go....
15:50.37timinatorcouldn't remember how to spell mozzarella
15:50.38timinatorLOL
15:51.21timinatorI had to throw in Colby and Jack as a separate cheese cause we buy it all the time
15:51.21beandogprovolone is the best
15:51.27mgearydon't forget havarti. What would the world be without havarti?!
15:51.29timinatorbut w/o that, I still hit 12
15:51.33timinator:P
15:51.37mgearyprovolone is best with turkey
15:51.46SunSparcHere is another short list:  http://cheese.joyousliving.com/CheeseListType.aspx
15:51.56timinatorI guess you could throw in goat cheese too
15:51.57mgearyKneaders has an awesome provolone+turkey sandwich on Focaccia
15:52.19timinatorRoosters has a great Salmon on Focaccia
15:53.01orsonjone more: cream cheese! (and double whipped cream cheese! in 18 flavors!!!)
15:53.19mgeary~cheese++
15:53.54mgeary~karma cheese
15:53.54jbotcheese has karma of 2
15:54.03thebigdogcaciocavallo cheese is the best
15:54.06orsonjheh, (someone said that 6 seconds ago)
15:54.07SunSparc~cheese++
15:54.17mgearythebigdog: on what?
15:54.24timinatoroh, I forgot Pepper Jack, Monterey Jack, and Velveeta
15:54.28mgearyasiago is great in bread
15:54.33mgearytiminator: strike that
15:54.35timinatormmmm
15:54.43orsonjanyone know what kind of cheese jack in the box uses?
15:54.51thebigdogmgeary, just i answer that...pasta of course
15:54.52wpsI'm so tired of viral marketing campaigns
15:54.53SunSparcKraft?
15:55.00timinatorLOL
15:55.12wpsprops to the company that thought of it first but I am sick of how everyone thinks that it's their marketing savior now
15:55.13orsonjI just always thought it was better than other burger places cheeses
15:55.14wpsgag
15:55.21SunSparc~lart viral marketing campaigns
15:55.21jbotstabs viral marketing campaigns
15:55.47thebigdogitalian cheeses rock
15:56.04mgearythebigdog: i'm partial to dutch and danish cheeses myself
15:56.17thebigdogthey are good too
15:56.38thebigdogargentine cheeses are good tooo!!!!
15:57.02mgearyi don't believe you. send me some, and i'll be the judge
15:57.08timinatorLOL
15:57.24thebigdog~cheese mgeary
15:57.24jbotACTION hands mgeary a tray of sliced sharp cheddar and pineapple
15:58.00mgearyin germany cheddar is something of an exotic cheese. We'd get green cheddar and serve it to the missionaries
15:59.06mgearythey'd put an herb in it to make it green. "Salbei", which is.... SunSparc...? :)
15:59.48SunSparcNot sure about that one
15:59.52mgearySage
16:00.06mgearyhttp://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salbei
16:00.11SunSparcSalvia
16:00.15mgearyheh
16:00.32SunSparcPesto is awesome
16:00.56SunSparcWhich uses basil
16:00.59SunSparcMmmmm
16:01.09thebigdogpesto chicken pizza
16:01.12thebigdogmmmmmm
16:02.12timinatorPiccollo Brothers Chicken Alfredo Pizza +++++
16:21.47thebigdog~flip timinator and PoeticIntensity
16:21.47jbotACTION gives timinator and PoeticIntensity the .|.. ..|.
16:22.08timinator~flip thebigdog
16:22.08jbotACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|.
16:22.14timinator~lart thebigdog
16:22.14jbotwallops thebigdog with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long
16:22.29timinatorLOL
16:22.34thebigdog~lart timinator
16:22.34jbotbeats timinator into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy
16:22.44thebigdogty jbot
16:22.46timinator~lart thebigdog
16:22.46jbotbeats thebigdog to within 2.54cm of his life
16:22.49thebigdog~lart timinator
16:22.49jboteats timinator's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti
16:23.01timinator~lart thebigdog
16:23.01jbotpushes the wall down onto thebigdog whilst whistling innocently
16:23.03thebigdogoh like hannable style
16:23.12*** kick/#uphpu [timinator!n=bigdog@208.177.146.102.ptr.us.xo.net] by thebigdog (thebigdog)
16:23.15thebigdoghaha
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16:23.23timinatorLOL
16:23.31thebigdogjbot love timinator
16:23.31jbotIf you love timinator so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
16:23.36timinatorlesson learned: don't pick on a bigdog
16:23.56mgearyany qmail fans out there?
16:24.39PoeticIntensitymay qmail burn in the 1000th level of hell.
16:24.47mgearyyeah, kind of
16:24.56PoeticIntensitypostfix++
16:25.04mgearyyep
16:25.07PoeticIntensityqmail-- ad-infinitum
16:25.10mgearybut that's not what i was asking, eh?
16:25.17PoeticIntensitynope.... I'm definitely not a fan.
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16:25.40thebigdogmgeary, i am not a qmail user
16:25.57mgearyas far as i can tell, qmail doesn't have a unique mail transaction id, like postfix does, by means of which you can grep log files...
16:27.38PoeticIntensityone of the many reasons I will never use qmail again.
16:27.59thebigdogso who here works at code greene with mac?
16:28.01mgearynot looking for endorsements ;)
16:28.18mgearyLone_Wanderer did, so did someone else, methinks
16:28.22beandogme
16:28.31thebigdogPoeticIntensity, you work there too?
16:28.41beandogPoeticIntensity doesnt work.  He just races 'stangs.
16:28.43thebigdogbeandog, that surprises me with your gentoo
16:28.52beandogI surprise everyone with Gentoo
16:29.04thebigdoghaha not that
16:29.08beandogsurprise!  I put Gentoo on your box. :)
16:29.41thebigdogi had that same expat problem on both my machines
16:29.49thebigdogi figured the issue with apache2 though
16:30.15thebigdogapr-util is slotted and i only did one..the wrong one
16:30.22utahdavebeandog works with mac, right?
16:30.28beandogno, I got a new job
16:30.48thebigdogneon did not get rebuilt either
16:31.01beandogcant say much about it cuz its seekrit NDA stuff.  But its Linux + multimedia development.
16:31.09beandogshhhh.
16:31.23thebigdogbeandog, you moved on?
16:31.45thebigdogwhere you at now?
16:32.08beandogPark City
16:32.15thebigdoghaha
16:32.26beandog:)
16:34.10thebigdogi should work with mac
16:34.38PoeticIntensityCodegreene know no poetic intensity.
16:34.43beandoglol
16:34.46PoeticIntensityHence, I will not work there.
16:34.56PoeticIntensitythebigdog, I doubt I'll ever change jobs again...
16:34.56beandogtoo far for him.
16:35.06beandogSpringville -> SLC == the suck
16:35.08PoeticIntensitythis one is .......  good.
16:35.19thebigdogPoeticIntensity, where you work?
16:35.22PoeticIntensitybeandog, don't you mean "teh suck"?
16:35.25beandogPlus he gets all the Flintstones vitamins he wants.
16:35.26PoeticIntensitythebigdog, Nature's Way
16:35.32thebigdoghaha
16:35.35thebigdognice
16:35.39PoeticIntensity*very* nice.
16:35.43utahdave~thesuck Springville -> SLC
16:35.44jbotACTION (Springville -> SLC is teh suck!)
16:35.45PoeticIntensitygentoo is on all boxen here.
16:35.57PoeticIntensityutahdave, bingo.
16:36.03thebigdognice
16:36.04PoeticIntensityok.. gotta run to a meeting.
16:36.08PoeticIntensitychao - all.
16:38.29utahdavethebigdog, you gonna work with mac?
16:38.49thebigdogno...i dont think they want to pay me my salary
16:39.36thebigdog:)
16:39.52thebigdogand i dont want to show up beandog
16:39.53beandogthebigdog: too much?
16:40.00beandogbuh!
16:40.21beandogmy code is so sexy it'll make your hair twirl
16:41.11mgearywe ought to have an Elegant Code showdown
16:41.40thebigdogthat would be fun
16:41.47SunSparcYou mean, your code would warrant a centerfold in PlayCode magazine?
16:41.56thebigdogbeandog needs to see the elite bigdog
16:42.23beandogPlayCode? lols
16:43.44thebigdoghe temperature of an ideal monatomic gas is a measure of the average kinetic energy of its atoms as they move.
16:43.56thebigdogi love business logic
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17:00.53timinatorplaycodemag.com is available....
17:01.22timinatoris it worth it?
17:01.47SunSparcHmmm, "code porn".  A whole new industry...
17:01.55timinatorso is playcodemagazine.com
17:02.16timinatorplaycode.com is owned by a squatter
17:02.31timinator:(
17:02.42SunSparcI can see the comments:  "OMG!!  That extended Class is naked!"
17:03.02timinatorlook at that fuzzy logic
17:03.11SunSparc"Make it Private, quick"!
17:03.17timinatorLOL
17:04.06timinatorlook at how that for loop is wrapping around that array..... awwwww
17:05.17SunSparcOH!  That code is so dirty!!  I am telling your mother!
17:05.25timinatorLOL
17:05.37SunSparc:)
17:05.45timinatorcheck out those huge arrays
17:05.46timinator:)
17:07.04SunSparcI think your function call is just way too short young lady.  Make it a bit more modest.
17:13.03timinatorwe should do something like that though.... an Elegant Code Showdown
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17:18.33timinatorshowdown.uphpu.org
17:18.45timinatorsetup wordpress
17:19.03timinatorthen each entry could be a separate post
17:19.07timinatorthen we could all comment
17:22.13timinatorwe'd all have to do the same project..... something w/ a fair amount of logic, not a lot of display HTML
17:22.31timinatorsomething like an engine for a game
17:22.47timinatorSudoku and Poker come to mind
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18:08.37beandogtoo quiet.
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18:32.06bradym~lart mindjuju
18:32.06jbotexplains, ever so gently, that if mindjuju doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help
18:32.30SunSparc_What are you doing on the computer?  Jump in the pool!
18:33.03mindjujubbqing some chicken for the fam
18:33.16mindjujubrb
18:33.43orsonjmakes sense (with the speed of computers these days, you could bbq chicken on some of them)
18:34.30SunSparcProbably makes a mess of the keyboard though.
18:34.38mindjujuyeah, some get really hot
18:35.02SunSparcAnd barbecue sauce is hard to get out from under those keys.
19:16.11mgeary~rlart
19:16.12jbotcuts dataw0lf into thin stripes
19:31.10timinatorhey guys
19:31.19timinatorone of my servers is running a bit slow
19:31.21beandogPoeticIntensity, ping
19:31.24thebigdog~flip timinator
19:31.25jbotACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|.
19:31.42timinatorI'm only using 75% of it's 16gig drive
19:31.57timinatorand this is the first few lines of top:
19:32.00timinatortop - 15:30:51 up 119 days,  6:22,  1 user,  load average: 1.21, 1.34, 1.28
19:32.00timinatorTasks: 104 total,   2 running, 102 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
19:32.00timinatorCpu(s):  0.0% us,  0.0% sy,  0.0% ni, 100.0% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
19:32.01timinatorMem:    510280k total,   502480k used,     7800k free,    59108k buffers
19:32.01timinatorSwap:   409592k total,        0k used,   409592k free,   272008k cached
19:32.14timinatorit's showing 102 sleeping tasks
19:32.20timinatorI'm wondering if that's a lot
19:32.32timinatorand if that might be the problem
19:32.37timinatorany thoughts?
19:32.59thebigdoglot of loving
19:33.13thebigdogyour swap is fine though
19:33.41thebigdoglinux will grab alot of memory and hold it
19:33.53timinatorya?
19:34.10timinatorso it needs a reboot to clear that out? or it needs more ram?
19:35.15timinatoror is it a prob w/ the processor being maxed?
19:35.49thebigdogno it just reserves it until something needs it
19:36.09thebigdogyou only have 2 running tasks
19:36.36timinatorya.... should be a lightweight load, cause TC is handling the heavy sites
19:36.47thebigdogyou have 100% idle
19:37.18timinatoroh
19:37.28timinatornot 100% load.... cool
19:37.39thebigdoghow is it running slow?
19:38.02timinatorI have a copy of wordpress on http://ithinkiknowitall.com
19:38.10timinatorand the pages are loading slowly
19:38.22thebigdogmight be network
19:39.03timinatorthat makes more sense.... the server is usually zippy now that ThunderCat is handling the heavy duty stuff
19:39.37timinatork, no biggie then... it'll probably work itself out
19:39.49timinator~thanks thebigdog
19:39.49jbotbitte, timinator
19:39.57thebigdognp
19:41.47PoeticIntensitypong, beandog
20:02.56PoeticIntensity~lart thebigdog
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20:04.57PoeticIntensitybah.
20:05.03thebigdoghahaha
20:05.05thebigdogthat was great
20:05.07thebigdog:)
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20:17.19beandogmgeary, those stars are the cool
20:17.48beandogMBP?
20:18.07beandog:C
20:18.16beandogMust Buy Popsicles?
20:18.19SunSparcMBP=MacBook Pro
20:18.20mgearyMacBook Pro
20:18.22beandogoh yah
20:18.42mgeary~stevejobsify beandog
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20:30.29PoeticIntensitythebigdog, beandog .... psql question.
20:30.40thebigdogk
20:30.42PoeticIntensityhow do I show a list of indexes on a table through the command-line interface?
20:30.57thebigdog\di
20:31.02PoeticIntensitythankee...
20:31.05PoeticIntensityI was hoping it'd be easy. :)
20:31.25beandog\? will show you all the options
20:31.48PoeticIntensityah..
20:32.58PoeticIntensityhrm....
20:33.04PoeticIntensityif I have an index on a column...
20:33.18PoeticIntensityand I do a select * from table where indexed_column = 1
20:33.22PoeticIntensityshouldn't it scan through the index?
20:33.46thebigdogit should
20:33.52thebigdogyou can use explain to verify
20:33.52PoeticIntensityit's showing a btree index on the appropriate column...
20:34.06PoeticIntensitybut when I explain the query - it says "seq scan on table...."
20:34.11PoeticIntensityand since there's 12 million rows...
20:34.15PoeticIntensityit takes a bit. :-T
20:34.27thebigdoghaha yes it does
20:34.39PoeticIntensityif I truncate that table, and re-populate it...
20:34.49PoeticIntensitydoes it keep the index, or should i rebuild the index each time I truncate it?
20:35.02PoeticIntensity(we're playing with the data still.... verifying integrity)
20:35.49thebigdogdepends on if you are vacuuming the table
20:36.11thebigdoghow much crud are you doing on the table?
20:37.03PoeticIntensityuhhh... nothing - yet.
20:37.13PoeticIntensitywe're just polling tables for data and verifying it against Oracle...
20:37.26PoeticIntensitybut... when we find something wrong, we truncate the table and re-populate it.
20:37.30PoeticIntensityno vacuuming.
20:37.40PoeticIntensitywhen we're sure the integrity is good...
20:37.48PoeticIntensityI'll probably start the indexes from scratch again..
20:37.50PoeticIntensityand vacuum...
20:37.52PoeticIntensityand the whole bit.
20:37.54PoeticIntensityso...
20:38.04PoeticIntensityI'm not surprised at its lack of using the appropriate index...
20:39.15thebigdogwhat are you trying to test?
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20:39.26PoeticIntensityjust a bunch of select statements.
20:39.34PoeticIntensityrandom sets of data from both dbs.
20:39.42PoeticIntensityto see if it jives...
20:39.51PoeticIntensitynot much jiving going on as of yet.
20:39.55PoeticIntensitybut we are getting closer..
20:40.07PoeticIntensitythe main problem is the fact that this Oracle db is the antithesis of normalization.
20:40.26PoeticIntensityit's infuriating, truth be told.
20:40.41PoeticIntensityI've gotta import this data, normalize it and build a web app from it.
20:40.56PoeticIntensityas soon as we get the data imported correctly, we can start the web app.
20:41.24PoeticIntensityword to the wise:  If you have the opportunity to work with a SAP system, politely refuse.
20:41.31PoeticIntensity:)
20:41.38thebigdogok so your question on the indexes is what?
20:42.46LenoliumPoeticIntensity: Hehe. I wonder how well SugarCRM's database would sit with you.
20:43.24PoeticIntensitynothing, really..
20:43.55PoeticIntensityupon chatting, I realized its lack of using the index was probably due to my daily truncating and rebuilding a 12M+ row table.
20:44.02PoeticIntensityLenolium, why is that?
20:44.40PoeticIntensityif this behavior continues when we've got the data inserted correctly, then I'll come barkin'. :)
20:44.46PoeticIntensitythanks for your help, though, thebigdog .
20:44.51thebigdogPoeticIntensity, np
20:45.31LenoliumPoeticIntensity: Just wondering if the company I work for can build a decent database according to some random person. :)
20:46.52PoeticIntensityLenolium, I'm a bit confused....  Random person?
20:47.48LenoliumPoeticIntensity: It was just a random aside. Thinking out loud.
20:48.31PoeticIntensityI see.
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22:29.47timinatorcalling JS gurus
22:30.04unumug
22:30.10unumwhat are you doing in js?
22:30.43timinatorI'd like to make a <select> onChange make a text field not readonly
22:30.57timinatoranyone have code for that?
22:31.31mgearydisabled = false
22:31.32mgearyi believe
22:31.56timinatorcool.... but I'm not good in JS.... please explain further
22:31.59unumreadOnly=false
22:32.02mgearyhave you tried that? seems like there might also be a readOnly...
22:32.03mgearyheh
22:32.09mgearyyeah
22:32.31unumdocument.getElementById('selectcar').disabled=false;
22:32.32mgeary<select onChange='this.form.somefield.readOnly=false'>
22:32.41unumthat's easier
22:32.41timinatorperfect
22:32.44timinatorthank you guys
22:33.02timinatoryou don't use forms?!?!
22:33.08timinatorwhat do you use?
22:33.15unumI do everything with ajax now
22:33.19mgearyme neither, i send all my data via elaborate GET statements
22:33.30timinatorLOL
22:33.47unumthought it's not far off from what I do.....
22:34.10mgearyyeah, that's why i thought i'd put the disclaimer in ;)
22:34.12unumI like being able to give an error message with out reloading the page
22:34.33PoeticIntensityok..... I've gotta call your bluff.
22:34.42PoeticIntensityHow do you pass any information without forms?
22:34.47PoeticIntensityeven AJAX uses forms...
22:34.48PoeticIntensity....?
22:34.59unumI use input tags but no form tags
22:35.04PoeticIntensityah...
22:35.07PoeticIntensitygortcha.
22:35.21timinatorah
22:35.31PoeticIntensitythen I guess what you said is 100% correct....  You're not using any forms... :)
22:35.31timinatorso a form that doesn't know it's a form
22:35.38PoeticIntensityyup.
22:36.01Supaplex|roamingnice form.
22:36.07Supaplex|roamingehh... wait. ;)
22:36.24PoeticIntensitydon't you mean.... "nice .... uhh... input... tag"  ... ?
22:37.10PoeticIntensityhar har har...
22:37.11tierraAJAX uses forms? I'm sure it can, but it osm
22:37.16tierraisn't required to
22:37.20PoeticIntensitytrue.
22:37.37PoeticIntensitymy point was... there is no other way for conveniently passing information without using forms.
22:37.46PoeticIntensityI meant.... input tags.
22:37.49PoeticIntensitynot necessarily forms.
22:37.54PoeticIntensityAJAX has to have information to pass...
22:38.03PoeticIntensitythe easiest way to pass that information is through some form of an input.
22:38.26PoeticIntensitythat's all.
22:38.29tierrait could just be a request to a page who's context may be different based on cookies or IP or something
22:38.36unumif you don't use forms you can't do things like this.form.somefield.readOnly=false
22:38.40PoeticIntensityAJAX doesn't necessarily *need* anything other than javascript and XML.
22:38.42tierradoesn't have to use GET or POST variables
22:38.44Supaplex|roamingPoeticIntensity: form as in behavior :)
22:38.51PoeticIntensityI got it.
22:38.59PoeticIntensityMy reply was ..... not too classy.. :)
22:39.03tierrahehe
22:40.04timinatorso, is there a way to make it go back to a readonly if the initial <select> has been returned to the original position?
22:40.16PoeticIntensityyup.
22:40.24unumreplace false with true
22:40.25PoeticIntensitywhat's the value of the original position?
22:40.29timinator""
22:40.57PoeticIntensityif(document.form.element.value == "") document.form.element.readOnly=true;
22:41.29timinatoris that on the <select> onChange?
22:41.33Supaplex|roamingdocument.form.element.readOnly=(document.form.element.value == "")
22:41.35PoeticIntensityit can be.
22:41.38timinatorshould I make a full on function?
22:41.39PoeticIntensityI'd put it in a function.
22:41.48unumI would too
22:41.53timinatork
22:41.59Supaplex|roamingditto. functions for tEh win.
22:42.15unumit's disgusting how many files it takes me to make one webpage
22:42.56unumcss,js,php(ajax),html(usually php aswell)
22:43.32unumthen of course the php(ajax) includes sql statements and output as xml
22:44.21Supaplex|roamingecho '<html><head><title>Boring webpage</title></head><body><p>Hi, I am a boring webpage...</p></body></html>' > 1.html
22:45.14Lenoliumunum: Just count your blessings you're not a J2EE programmer.
22:47.03mgearyhrm
22:47.28mgearyis there no single CSS property that can control the opacity of an element in all modern browsers?
22:47.38mgearyi'm finding:
22:47.43mgearyfilter:alpha(opacity=50);
22:47.43mgearyopacity: 0.5;
22:47.43mgeary-moz-opacity: 0.5;
22:48.00Supaplex|roamingthe wonderful thing about standards ...
22:48.25mgearyso...no?
22:49.29unumSupaplex|roaming: even when my c++ programs are multiple files they are all one syntax
22:49.31Supaplex|roamingyou called it. :)  I'd research the css elements to get a deeper understanding. afaik, it's hit+miss depending on what ua you're using.
22:49.59Supaplex|roamingunum: ahh. good point.
22:51.39unumI don't se anything in the mozilla documentationabout opacity
22:53.51mgearyokay, unum ajax-master--
22:54.10mgearyi'm using Prototype, and i want the callback to be a method of a JS object
22:54.23mgearybut the scope gets ost
22:54.25mgearylost
22:54.50mgearyin other words, the correct function gets hit, but "this" in that function no longer refers to the object, it refers to the topmost window
22:55.09mgearyanyone got a fix for that?
22:56.16unummgeary: I'm afraid you're over my head
22:56.23mgearyw00t
22:56.57unumnow I think I understand what you are talking about
22:57.10mgearyhere's my request call:
22:57.16mgearyvar req = new Ajax.Request('ajax_receiver.php',{method: 'post', parameters: "action=reject_upload&item_id=" + this.upload_id, onComplete: this.updateButtons});
22:57.36mgearybut when this.updateButtons() gets called, "this" has a different meaning
22:57.50unumhttp://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Core_JavaScript_1.5_Reference:Operators:Special_Operators:this_Operator
22:58.01unumI think it explains it under method binding
22:59.09mgeary:/
22:59.50mgearyyeah, that's the problem alright
22:59.54mgearybut i don't like their solutions
22:59.57mgearyah well
23:35.21timinatorI'm out guys... later
23:36.20mgeary~slacker timinator

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