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03:50.42brasto~hplsbyufan
03:50.43jboti guess hplsbyufan is Brandon Stout's screen name on various IM protocols before "brasto".  It stands for "Hopeless BYU Fan", not "Helpless" or "Hapless".  Sort of like Ace Ventura's "Hopless Romantic" idea, the "Hopeless" part of "Hopless BYU Fan" refers to brasto, not to BYU.  $this, because brasto can't help but love everything BYU.
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04:06.31brasto~brasto
04:06.32jbotmethinks brasto is one cool guy
04:08.09phikzdsame script, different bot?
04:09.55brastoyep
04:10.11brastoor... different name for same bot
04:12.24phikzdif by same bot, you mean 2 programs of the same bot, then yes :-P
04:12.26phikzdhere's a test
04:12.34phikzd~brasto
04:12.34jbotrumour has it, brasto is one cool guy
04:12.46phikzd~phikzd
04:12.47jbothmm... phikzd is a nosy guy. a funny guy, or big giant robot, or has two big yellow teeth, or not big giant robot
05:10.38brastophikzd, if you want to redefine yourself, type "jbot, forget philkzd" on a line by itself, then type "jbot, philkzd is [yourdefinition].
05:11.34brastounless you do it in #utah, then you replace "jbot" with "ibot"
08:20.25herloso there is no easy way to recursively remove directories in php?
08:20.37herlowith one function, that is
10:03.25herlowhat about recursively downloading from ftp?  Seems like there could be switches for the available ftp functions.  I see no answer however
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14:38.59brastothanks to fungus and others for convincing me to go friendly and clean urls, you can almost tell what this link is about:
14:39.01brastohttp://flfn.org/blog/brasto/call-flow-eclipses-planetary-alignment
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14:41.34brastoif anyone has a similar... interesting experience with a customer... add it as a comment.  Anyone can comment anonymously, and I'll approve it.
14:42.02brastocorrection:  I'll approve non-off-color comments for my family-friendly web site...
14:45.09thebigdogman it is a monday
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15:33.34thebigdogmonday monday monday morinign
15:34.04timinatormorning guys
15:36.24thebigdog~flip timinator
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15:36.33thebigdogmorning timinator
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15:36.53PoeticIntensitymornin' all.
15:37.09PoeticIntensityblasted Monday mornings...
15:38.33timinatorLOL.... not just anyone can flip ya off on a Monday morning and know that you'll take it as a salutation
15:38.35timinator:)
15:38.41timinator~flip thebigdog
15:38.42jbotACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|.
15:39.23thebigdog~salute timinator
15:39.24jbotACTION shows timinator how to count in binary on his fingers... then stops conspiciously on the number 4
15:40.10thebigdogtoday is just another day i dont feel like working
15:44.04timinatorLOL
15:44.25thebigdogperhaps i need to do home or get a drink
15:44.47beandog~monday PoeticIntensity
15:44.55beandogPoeticIntensity, did you get your SD subscription yet
15:45.25PoeticIntensitynope.... but I will. :)
15:45.30PoeticIntensityyou?
15:45.32beandogyah
15:45.34beandogon Saturday
15:45.49PoeticIntensitysweet.
15:45.52beandogI havent upgraded myth, yet.
15:46.01PoeticIntensityI just did... yesterday.
15:46.03thebigdoghey beandog about time you show up
15:46.11beandogto the 0.20.1 latest?
15:46.12beandogor which
15:46.14beandogthebigdog, holars
15:46.31thebigdoghey gentoo guys, you have any issues with expat2 upgrade?
15:46.36beandogthebigdog, yah
15:46.40beandoggotta revdep-rebuild
15:46.43beandogthebigdog, do this though ...
15:46.56beandogLDFLAGS="-Wl,--as-needed"
15:46.58beandogadd that to make.conf
15:47.02thebigdogi did that still had major issues with gdm and apache2
15:47.08beandogso not so much stuff will link against it.
15:47.11beandogif they dont need to.
15:47.20beandogthebigdog, did you re-emerge XML-Parser as well
15:47.26thebigdogyeha
15:47.31beandoghmm.
15:47.39beandogmine works.
15:47.40beandog:T
15:47.46thebigdogi might try the ldflags and see
15:47.55beandogactually, its probably something they are linking against that's broken
15:48.00thebigdogi think it was apr that is the issue with apache though
15:48.03beandogrevdep-rebuild didn't find anything a 2nd time around?
15:48.19thebigdognope, nor the 5th or 6th time
15:48.31beandogHmm
15:48.52thebigdogthey should have slotted it
15:49.12thebigdogthen i could have phased it in
15:49.14beandogyah
15:49.17beandogoh well.
15:49.23beandognot my fault!
15:49.25beandog:)
15:49.29thebigdogyeah
15:49.31beandogI just break amd64.
15:49.49thebigdoggood thing i dont run that arch
15:49.54beandogheh
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15:50.40beandogyoure on x86
15:50.48thebigdogim on xbigdog
15:50.52beandognice.
15:50.58beandogxbigdog ftw.
15:51.09thebigdogx86 yes on intel
15:51.11thebigdogftw
15:51.12thebigdog:)
15:51.23thebigdog~flip beandog and his amd64
15:51.23jbotACTION gives beandog and his amd64 the .|.. ..|.
15:51.33beandogI wish I had an x86 box.
15:51.34beandog:C
15:51.56thebigdogi do have an athlon proc for my server though
15:52.08thebigdogwhich i have been pleased with
15:52.22thebigdogman i need to set up distcc
15:53.17beandogcross-arch compiling + distcc is a ball of funness.
15:54.05thebigdoghaha...i have not had any issues with it
15:54.12thebigdogbut i only use it sparing ly
15:54.29thebigdogonly on some big items
15:54.37beandogyah
15:54.56thebigdogyou know the standard stuff that we all use gcc and cc and anything that i can crash
15:55.03thebigdog:)
15:55.31thebigdogat a couple jobs back I had a nice distcc network going...like 10 machines
15:55.34thebigdogit was great
15:56.02mgeary~mondays PoeticIntensity
15:56.03jbotACTION says looks like PoeticIntensity 's got a case of the Mondays
15:58.02beandogreally?  nice.
15:58.11beandogI havent played with it much lately.
15:58.24beandogI did start with using packages though
15:58.29beandogits a huge time saver on myth stuff
15:58.44beandogI rebuilt a mythbox using nothing but packages
15:58.51beandogwell, not rebuilt, built from scratch
15:58.56beandoggot the whole thing up and running in under an hour
15:58.56beandog:D
16:02.05PoeticIntensitythebigdog, I just upgraded 5 machines... all of em' had the expat issues.
16:02.16beandogsorry man
16:02.24PoeticIntensitynot even close to being sure if this is the right way to do it, but....
16:02.28beandogMy vote is just mask it.  its not like it was a security bump.
16:02.31PoeticIntensityby the 4th box, I was doing --skipfirst
16:02.39beandogyah
16:02.41PoeticIntensityupgrading the whole thing....
16:02.43beandogthe LDFLAGS helps a lot, too.
16:02.51PoeticIntensitythen emerging the expat last...
16:02.55PoeticIntensitythen revdep-rebuild.
16:02.59beandogand Ive actually got an evil-should-not-use bash script hat does the something similar...
16:03.04PoeticIntensityseems to work quite well...
16:03.06PoeticIntensitybut takes forever.
16:03.14beandog$ cat /usr/local/bin/eresume
16:03.14beandog#!/bin/sh
16:03.14beandogemerge --resume --skipfirst || /usr/local/bin/eresume
16:03.17beandog^^ don't do that. :)
16:03.33PoeticIntensityI will not do that.
16:03.36beandog;)
16:17.14mgeary~doorslam Gonzales
16:17.15jbotACTION grabs Gonzales by the scruff of the neck and hustles him bodily out the door, "Don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out!" <SLAM>
16:17.32PoeticIntensitynow now, mgeary, be nice. :)
16:17.39mgearyhey, wasn't me
16:17.41mgearywas jbot
16:17.51PoeticIntensityjbot, be nice.
16:17.51jbot[be nice] don't be mean, be nice..
16:17.51thebigdogbeandog, you like the packages?
16:18.39beandogthebigdog, well I build them on one amd64 box using --buildpkg
16:18.44beandogthebigdog, then I just emerge them on the other, using -K
16:18.50beandogits pretty spanky.
16:19.09thebigdogdid you set up a package repo then?
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16:22.32beandogthebigdog, no, just copied them over to the new box
16:23.22thebigdogcool
16:25.25beandogThis is what I did
16:25.34beandogon my mtyhbox, added "buildpkg" to FEATURES
16:25.37beandogthen emerge -e world
16:25.50beandogthen scp /usr/portage/packages/* over to new box
16:26.04beandogand on that one, in the chroot, just do emerge -K mythtv
16:26.07beandogand it sucks the whole thing in
16:26.14beandogthe nice thing about using packages, is it only pulls in the RDEPEND
16:26.24thebigdognice
16:33.01beandoghttp://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1703740
16:33.05beandogof course they dont even tell you where it is.
16:36.03mgearywell, yeah
16:36.12mgearywe don't want to encourage those hoodlums, now, do we?
16:38.03beandogheh
16:38.42beandogI went to the Park City one this weekend
16:38.46beandogit is sooooooooo freaking nice.
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17:05.50thebigdoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_1Y8UoLIu4
17:06.40thebigdogmy hero http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U-cgn3cEGA&mode=related&search=
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17:08.22thebigdogbeandog, you ever see matt hensley ride?
17:10.09beandogthebigdog, no
17:10.19thebigdoghe rocked back in the day
17:11.23thebigdoghowever, the mullen rocks...i have yet to see anyone do crazy stuff like him
17:12.34beandogI still dont know the names of anybody
17:12.45beandogive got a couple of cool dvds at home though
17:13.18thebigdogwhich dvds you got?
17:14.19beandoguh
17:14.22beandogour life, almost round three
17:14.25beandogsomething else, I cant remember.
17:14.47beandogthe entire chapters are on youtube
17:15.09thebigdogyou got a link?
17:19.06beandogyah hold on
17:20.34beandogsome got removed
17:20.36beandoghttp://youtube.com/watch?v=YHy6g2c814w
17:20.37beandogtheres one
17:22.10mgearyhey folks
17:22.38mgearyhow do i get the flavor of a given unix install?
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17:22.38mgearyuname -a doesn't reveal much
17:22.41thebigdogbeandog, i heard that kid rocks
17:24.12beandogyah he is really good
17:25.09mgearyah. 2.6.9-42.ELsmp == Enterprise Linux, i presum?
17:25.15mgeary== Red Hat?
17:25.40mgearyhow current is that kernel release?
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17:27.09mgearyanyone? anyone?
17:27.39jnbekmgeary: not very
17:27.48jnbeki'm on 2.6.20
17:28.12mgearyjnbek: do you use yum for package management?
17:28.18thebigdogmgeary, not very current
17:28.24thebigdogstable but not current
17:28.39jnbekno, i use emerge
17:29.18mgeary~wiki emerge
17:32.07PoeticIntensitymgeary, that's a very old kernel.
17:32.42PoeticIntensityah.. sorry... looks like thebigdog had ya covered...
17:32.49mgearywell, the validation is good
17:32.51PoeticIntensityand yeah... looks like RHEL.
17:33.09PoeticIntensitysmp = multi-core / hyperthreading
17:33.43PoeticIntensityalso, mgeary, "emerge" is a command used in gentoo to update stuff.
17:33.45mgearyso, i'm being asked to help set up a new server. I'm not super experienced at actually setting up linux, but it seems to me that the first thing that should be done is getting the latest stable kernal version
17:33.49mgeary*kernel
17:34.04thebigdogdepends on what you are doing
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17:34.11mgearyjust setting up php+mysql
17:34.13PoeticIntensity*totally* depends on........ everything. :)
17:34.32PoeticIntensitywhat distro you wanna use?
17:34.47mgearywell, it's running RHEL
17:34.49thebigdoghere is the latests on centos mgeary 2.6.9-55.0.2.ELsmp
17:35.42mgearythx
17:35.48PoeticIntensityif you're running RHEL, I wouldn't worry about the kernel.
17:35.57mgearyoh yeah?
17:36.07mgearywell, the thing that's currently slowing me down--
17:36.18PoeticIntensityif you start messin' with the kernel in distros that don't want ya messin' with the kernel...
17:36.24PoeticIntensitythings can get complex pretty quick.
17:36.42mgearywell, we'd have the server provider do the upgrade
17:36.48thebigdogmgeary, unless you need to do something specic
17:37.17mgearyi'm only familiar with yum as the pkg manager for RH. "yum list" only reveals php4.x and mysql 4.x. That's really my biggest current hang-up
17:38.05mgearybut that was my first suggestor that i'm on an old kernel, since php5 and mysql5 have been out long enough that i'd hope they were standard
17:38.12mgearyin whatever yum config is on the machine
17:38.44mgearynow, i presumably need to point yum to a more recent repository listing
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19:33.30mgearyhrm. anyone got any debugging tips on installing a public key for prompt-less ssh authentication?
19:33.38mgearyi've done this dozens of times before...
19:34.00burninanything show up in /var/log/secure?
19:34.02mgearyhowever, it is (urgh) logging in as root via ssh. Doing it *with* a password works just fine
19:34.05mgearylemme check
19:34.06burninor message
19:34.48jsmithmgeary: First, create your SSH keys (ssh-keygen -t dsa)
19:34.53mgearydid that
19:35.11jsmithmgeary: Then, type this from the box you'll be ssh'ing *from*:
19:35.40jsmithmgeary: "ssh-add" (and type the password for your new ssh key)
19:36.07jsmithmgeary: Then "ssh-copy-id user@remote-box" (where user is the remote username, and remote-box is the hostname of the remote box)
19:36.35jsmithmgeary: (and if you don't have ssh-copy-id, then you can manually copy your *public* key over to .ssh/authorized_keys on the remote box)
19:36.49mgearythat's what i normally do (copy the key over)
19:36.51jsmithmgeary: (and make sure the permissions on authorized_keys is correct
19:36.57jsmithssh-copy-id makes it easy
19:37.33mgearydon't have that
19:37.36mgearybut even so...
19:38.03mgearyis there a way to configure sshd so that it won't allow key-based logins on (e.g.) root?
19:39.10jsmithI'm sure there is...
19:39.43mgearyaah
19:39.45mgearyChallengeResponseAuthentication no
19:39.48mgearylooks like that's it
19:40.05SunSparcIn sshd_config put:   PermitRootLogin no
19:40.07brastoI sent this out earlier, but perhaps it was too early since not many people were here yet...
19:40.09brastohttp://flfn.org/blog/brasto/call-flow-eclipses-planetary-alignment
19:40.18mgearySunSparc: no, that'd kill me entirely ;)
19:40.24SunSparc:)
19:40.41SunSparcThat is what I use on all my servers.
19:40.51mgearywell, yeah, see (ugh) comment above
19:41.13SunSparcAh, yes, just key-based logins.
19:41.15beandogpubkeys
19:41.19beandogmake sure UsePAM is set to No
19:41.30beandogotherwise after your pubkey attempts time out, itll fall back on that.
19:41.39mgearyah
19:41.44mgearyusePAM is yes
19:42.30mgearynope, that's not the prob either :/
19:42.32mgearydurn it
19:42.41beandogwhat are you trying to do?
19:42.42beandogno root logins?
19:42.50beandogdo what SunSparc said
19:42.53mgearyno
19:42.55beandogoh
19:43.00mgearyget password-less login from my machine
19:43.03beandogoh
19:43.07beandogkeychain
19:43.07beandog:D
19:43.13mgearyi've done it several times previously, but not onto this server
19:43.18mgearykeychain doesn't work for terminal/ssh
19:43.28beandoghttp://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/keychain-guide.xml
19:43.30beandogworks forme
19:43.32mgearyoh
19:43.36mgearyi mean OS X's keychain :)
19:43.48beandogssh-agent?
19:44.12beandogI use telnet to access all my systems.
19:44.18mgearyoops
19:44.19mgearyheh
19:44.21mgearyahhhhhh
19:44.22beandogI prefer a sense of transparency
19:44.27mgearyi knew it'd be something stupid...
19:44.39beandog~telnet PoeticIntensity
19:44.46mgeary"mv authorized_hosts authorized_keys"
19:44.51mgearyheh
19:45.00mgearynot the first time i've made that mistake either, dang it
19:45.10beandogyah that'll do it too
19:45.11beandog:)
19:45.14beandogssh -v foo@bar
19:45.16beandogthat always helps
19:45.23mgearyi was doing that
19:45.25beandogoh, ok
19:45.26mgearybut it still wasn't standing out
19:45.30mgearyANYway, thanks
19:45.45mgearyyou know, for uh, letting me embarrass myself here
19:46.00jsmithmgeary: I'll help you embarrass yourself anytime you're in the mood!
19:46.07mgearysweet
19:46.11mgearyshouldn't have to wait long
19:47.26PoeticIntensityyup... it's still Monday.
19:48.28jsmithAnd tomorrow will be as well... unfortunately
19:57.42mgearycalling JS gurus....
19:57.45mgearyperk up now
19:59.04mgearycan anyone tell me if they see a problem with this-- i want to have a JS file that can be included by an arbitrary site. This JS file would make some AJAX calls to my server, retrieve some data, and then do some DOM object insertion into the including HTML page, (which lives on a different server). Basically, i want to do some "legal" cross-site-scripting.
20:02.47mgearyare there any browser-enforced restrictions i should be aware of?
20:03.45jsmithYeah, it probably won't work across sites
20:04.53mgearyany guidelines on exactly what will or won't work across sites?
20:07.03jsmithMy experience is that nothing works across sites...
20:07.21jsmithBut I'm no JavaScript kung-fu master either.
20:07.34jsmithI can code myself out of a wet paper bag in JavaScript, and that's about it
20:08.53_psychic_I'm not sure you can do cross-domain AJX
20:08.54_psychic_*ajax
20:09.29_psychic_I read this a while back though
20:09.29_psychic_http://www.alexpooley.com/2007/08/07/how-to-cross-domain-javascript/
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20:10.28thinbeginhey. is jacob around?
20:10.42thinbeginor does anyone know how to get a hold of him?
20:11.57_psychic_thinbegin: look up his email on the uphpu archives
20:12.13thinbeginyeah. i have that. thnx. i was thinking ph or chat
20:12.21_psychic_he's not on IM right now
20:12.31thinbegincool. thnx
20:12.40thinbegincare to share or is that private?
20:12.48thinbegin[his im handle]
20:12.49_psychic_you'd have to ask him, I guess :)
20:12.53thinbeginright
20:12.55thinbegink. thnx
20:21.24thinbeginis that jacob hansen that you are talking about? [not jacob wright]
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20:43.30hsbbuilderis this a development group? am a newbie having trouble passing data from a form to PHP
20:43.47mgearykill the newbie!!
20:43.56mgeary~whaleslap hsbbuilder
20:43.56jbotACTION beats hsbbuilder upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh
20:44.09hsbbuilderouch guess that means no help?
20:44.14mgearyheh. naw
20:44.15mgearywhat's up?
20:44.18SunSparc~lart hsbbuilder
20:44.18jbotacting on orders from an unspecified client drags hsbbuilder into court suing for $200 million
20:44.36hsbbuilderlol
20:44.45mgearyare you a newbie to programming in general? or just to PHP?
20:45.29hsbbuilderi don't do much programming. I have done a little vb. Before that it was sleeping through classes many moons ago
20:45.53hsbbuilderI am getting a parse error on line 8
20:45.58hsbbuilder<?
20:45.58hsbbuilder$username="eseed_eseed";
20:45.58hsbbuilder$password="num8010son";
20:45.58hsbbuilder$database="eseed_ministries";
20:45.58hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:45.59hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.01hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.03hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.05hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.07hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.09hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.10mgearywoah
20:46.11hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.13hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.15mgearyyou've got a space in your variable
20:46.15hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.17hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.19hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.19mgearywoah!!
20:46.21hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.23hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.23SunSparcSTOP!!!
20:46.25hsbbuilder<PROTECTED>
20:46.27hsbbuildermysql_connect(localhost,$username,$password);
20:46.29hsbbuilder@mysql_select_db($database) or die( "Unable to select database")
20:46.31hsbbuilder$query = "INSERT INTO contacts VALUES ('','Church','Phone','Fax','Contact First','Contact Last','Head Pastor','email','add1','add2','City, ST','Zip','Last Contact Date','Num Contacts','','Comments')";
20:46.34hsbbuildermysql_query($query);
20:46.36hsbbuildermysql_close();
20:46.36SunSparckick him quick!
20:46.38hsbbuilder?>
20:46.42mgearywhew
20:46.47mgearyDON'T DO THAT AGAIN
20:46.50mgearylordy
20:46.53SunSparcYep, he is a newbie
20:47.08mgearyhsbbuilder: you've got a variable with a space in the name
20:47.08hsbbuilderok will get the 2 million soon
20:47.10mgearyyou can't do that
20:47.14SunSparchsbbuilder, never, ever, ever, paste taht much into IRC again.
20:47.19hsbbuilderouch ok
20:47.22mgeary$contact_first
20:47.24SunSparcEVER!
20:47.32hsbbuilderthanks
20:47.32SunSparcUse a pastebin
20:47.36mgearythat's your (first) problem
20:47.46hsbbuilderwhat is a pastebin
20:47.53mgearyhttp://pastebin.ca/
20:48.02hsbbuilderok i will look thanks
20:48.08mgearyhttp://dpaste.com/
20:49.22SunSparcTry one out right now for practice and then we will help answer your question.
20:52.51*** join/#uphpu fungus (n=olsonl@216.112.118.2)
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20:53.24hsbbuilderhttp://pastebin.ca/672748
20:53.46hsbbuilderdo I get a discount on the 200 million for using the paste bin?
20:54.33hsbbuilderouch gonna be an expensive day
20:54.35mgearyANYway
20:54.46mgearylike i said, you've got a space in a variable name
20:54.49mgearycan't have that
20:55.08mgearyon the following lines of your pastebin:
20:55.25mgeary11, 12, 13, 18, 20, 21
20:55.28hsbbuilderso if my variable is listed in php admin as contact list, then i use contact_list?
20:55.46mgearyor $contactlist or $ContactList or....
20:55.52mgearyjust not with a space or comma
20:56.26hsbbuilderdo i have to recreate the table without the spaces?
20:56.34SunSparchsbbuilder:  here are the rules for variables  http://www.php.net/manual/en/language.variables.php
20:56.43SunSparcIn PHP
20:57.08hsbbuilderthanks
20:57.47SunSparcHere are some rules for MySQL  http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/identifiers.html
21:01.30bradymhsbbuilder: spend some time going through these tutorials: http://devzone.zend.com/node/view/id/627
21:01.55bradymsome of the best beginning tutorials for php that i've seen
21:08.30SunSparcYeah, those are good ones.
21:14.27beandogheh
21:14.44jsmiththebigdog: What's the best way to do multi-master replication on PostgreSQL in the case of many semi-disconnected PostgreSQL servers
21:14.51thebigdogmr. thebigdog, why is my internet slow
21:15.23thebigdogjsmith, heartbeat and replication
21:16.04jsmiththebigdog: I know about heartbeat and replication... how do I get multi-master replication to replicate properly if some of the servers aren't always connected
21:16.11thebigdogoh jsmith...replication, heartbeat and esb
21:16.16jsmithI don't need failover, just replication
21:16.49thebigdogesb...store all the changes there
21:17.03thebigdogthen fire listeners when nodes come online
21:17.21thebigdogthat is one area that pgsql is lacking
21:17.33jsmithYeah, but what if I don't wanna use esbs?
21:17.38jsmithI'm I just plain SOL?
21:18.00thebigdogtriggers and c code :)
21:18.49thebigdogok that is another lacking feature too
21:19.02thebigdogtriggers need to be cross database allowed
21:19.27thebigdogman if pgsql supported that it would totally rival oracle
21:19.37*** join/#uphpu mikem (n=mmacgowa@mf1-243.moment.net)
21:20.08jsmiththebigdog: Amen, brother!
21:20.53jsmithOh c'mon... dBase was great and you know it!
21:20.57mikemi suppose it will cost me another 200 million because my window died and my nick is still in use
21:21.04timinatorLOL
21:21.15mgearyheh
21:21.57mikemi removed all my spaces and the comma in the form and in the php variables but am still getting the same parse error
21:22.07mgearymikem: give us a new paste
21:22.10mgearyNOT HERE!
21:22.10mgeary;)
21:22.13thebigdogjsmith, have you read about wide-area dbs
21:22.18mikemright
21:22.43jsmiththebigdog: Read about them, yes.  Implemented them, no.  I figured Amazon will have a web service for that by the time I get around to it.
21:22.56thebigdoghaha probably will
21:23.20thebigdogwe have done replication with oracle streams and advanced queue in the esb sense
21:23.23thebigdogthat worked great
21:23.43thebigdogit would be killer if postgresql had some support for streams and esb functionality
21:24.07thebigdogwell i mean advanced queue functionality
21:24.24jsmithYeah, one step at a time though...
21:24.24mikemhttp://pastebin.ca/672782
21:24.55mgearymikem, mikem, mikem
21:25.08mgearyyou've got to change the variable name
21:25.11mgearybad:
21:25.12mgeary$Contact First=$_POST['ContactFirst'];
21:25.14mgearygood:
21:25.25mgeary$contact_first = $_POST["contact_first"];
21:25.27mgearyor whatever
21:25.48mgeary(it's a good idea to be consistent, so you don't get confused mapping "contact_first" to "ContactFirst")
21:25.49thebigdogjsmith, serial connections
21:25.56thebigdogthat is the replication way
21:26.25thebigdogyou could set up 2PC too
21:26.41thebigdogi see that done tons...however, that is not replication
21:27.33mgearymikem: does that make sense?
21:27.34timinatoron #22, don't ya need to put localhost in quotes?
21:28.05thebigdogjsmith, you ever setup openmosix?
21:28.11jsmiththebigdog: Serial connections, as in RS-232?  RS-485?  Or "cereal connections", as in finding a friend in the Cheerios factory?
21:28.12timinator(I always pass vars instead)
21:28.18mikemok. i thought i changed everything. could use a button to remove all spacebar characters but only where I need them hehe
21:28.20mgearytiminator: yeah, i'd think so
21:28.29jsmiththebigdog: I've used OpenMosix a few times... but that was a while ago
21:28.33thebigdogjsmith, serial connections like hearbeat
21:28.34mgearymikem: okay, so now what're you getting?
21:28.44mikemstill working on it
21:28.45jsmiththebigdog: I don't need failover... just replication
21:28.56thebigdogjsmith, ok it would be cool if you could run postgresql replication at that level
21:29.00jsmiththebigdog: Heartbeat is great for telling me "Hey, this server went away"
21:29.13timinatorthebigdog: you should get more than just $1 for that question
21:29.13thebigdogjsmith, yeah use serial connections for a 2 phase commit
21:29.15timinator:)
21:29.35thebigdog:)
21:29.43jsmiththebigdog: True... but let's say some of the PostgreSQL servers are mobile, and often don't have internet connectivity...
21:29.44thebigdog2PC over serial would rock
21:30.01jsmiththebigdog: Probably wouldn't be that hard... but doesn't help me in my case
21:30.13thebigdogeasy to set up
21:30.23thebigdogi did that one a couple years back
21:30.40thebigdogjsmith, there is mobile changes for database
21:30.44thebigdogi have seen them for oracle
21:30.56thebigdoglet me think of the name
21:32.10thebigdogactually if you have the $$$ you could look at pervasive software
21:32.21thebigdogthey have some cool toys for moving data
21:35.26mikemhey I made it to line 22. thanks
21:35.44mgearymikem: see comment from timinator
21:35.49mgearyyou need to use "localhost"
21:36.07mikemsee that
21:36.11mgearyotherwise it's going to think it's a constant (though, actually the constant would default to "localhost"....)
21:36.21mgeary(which sucks, imho)
21:36.36mgearyanyway, what error(s) are you getting now?
21:37.00SunSparcCan a case statement handle a range of values?  eg:  case 1-4:  do something;
21:37.13mgearySunSparc: yes, but not like that
21:37.15mgearylike this:
21:37.39mgearycase 1:
21:37.40mgearycase 2:
21:37.40mgearycase 3:
21:37.40mgeary<PROTECTED>
21:37.41mgeary<PROTECTED>
21:38.00timinatortoo bad you can't do this:
21:38.00SunSparcSo, the answer is actually, no.  :)
21:38.10mgearywell....
21:38.11timinatorcase range(1, 50):
21:38.26bradymooh.. that would be slick
21:38.50SunSparcI understood that case statements are fairly limited to simple values.  I just wondered if they could handle ranges.
21:38.59SunSparctiminator: That would be cool.
21:39.04timinatorI've wanted to do that many times..... use an array for the case
21:39.20timinatorcase $good_guys:
21:39.27SunSparcI will just stick with if/else.
21:39.27timinatorcase $bad_guys:
21:39.36timinatorya
21:39.48timinatorif(in_array($good_guys.......
21:42.10timinatorif(in_array($user, $good_guys)) { ***do something*** }
21:42.16SunSparcjbot, give timinator a cookie
21:42.16jbotACTION gives timinator a home-baked lemon cookie to cheer him up.
21:42.25timinator:)
21:42.27timinatorty jbot
21:42.32SunSparclol
21:43.20bradym~rlart
21:43.21jbotdeclares Black_Chaos a moron
21:43.35SunSparctiminator: I am doing this:  if(in_array($count,range(1,4))) {
21:43.44SunSparcThanks for reminding me about range.
21:43.49timinatorsure
21:44.21SunSparcOr, actually introducing me to it.  I cannot remember ever using it before.  ;)
21:44.26timinatormy wife reminds me about the range she wants.... it's 2 grand though
21:44.34timinator:)
21:44.35SunSparclol
21:44.38thebigdog~flip mgeary
21:44.39jbotACTION gives mgeary the .|.. ..|.
21:44.53mgeary~noogie thebigdog
21:44.54jbotACTION puts thebigdog into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of thebigdog's hair off!
21:45.05mgearyback atcha, cousin!
21:45.10thebigdogmgeary, where are we related?
21:45.35thebigdogwhich stewart?
21:45.48mgearyone sec... found it the other day...
21:46.17timinatormgeary is a cousin of The Dog?!?!
21:46.22mgearyindeed
21:46.27thebigdogunfortunately
21:46.32timinatorLOL
21:47.14SunSparcGROSS!
21:47.23mgearywe're kissing cousins, apparently
21:47.58mgearyk, so thebigdog
21:48.14mgearymy mother's father was Robert Wilson Stewart. His father was Andrew Jackson Stewart
21:48.16thebigdognoone can resist me
21:48.26mgearyi believe it was Andrew Jackson that had 2 wives
21:48.28thebigdogmsg me the url
21:50.03timinatorthebigdog wants proof
21:51.09thebigdogtoo bad i will never see any of that stuff
21:52.44mgearycan't inherit debt
21:52.50mgearytrue story
21:52.53timinatorWOOOHOOOOOOO
21:52.58timinator:)
21:53.16timinatorlet me rephrase:
21:53.33timinator:)
21:56.08mikemok experts i think i am up to a $billion. Getting my checkbook
21:56.11mikem$query = INSERT INTO contacts VALUES ('','Church','Phone','Fax','ContactFirst','ContactLast','HeadPastor','email','Web','add1','add2','CityST','Zip','LastContactDate','NumContacts','','Comments')";
21:56.33mgearywhat error are you getting?
21:56.47mikemParse error: syntax error, unexpected T_VARIABLE in /home/eseed/public_html/insert.php on line 24
21:57.18mgearyheh, well,
21:57.32timinatorpastebin the code
21:57.34mgearyfirst of all, you're not actually inserting your variables into the db, you're inserting string literals
21:57.38mgearyyeah, pastebin
21:58.26mikemso if i have a binary field and try to paste it will choke?
21:59.10mgearyhuh?
21:59.19mgearyyou've got binary data in your code...?
21:59.38mikemhttp://pastebin.ca/672822
21:59.58mikemI was going to deal with it later
22:00.10timinator1st: put an initial quote on your INSERT statement
22:00.18mgearyyup
22:00.20timinator$query = "INSERT.....
22:00.34mgearysecond, insert your *variables*, not the names of the fields
22:00.51timinatorsemicolon after your die() statement
22:02.29mikemvariables and names of fields are the same now
22:02.59timinatorright:   $query = "INSERT INTO contacts VALUES ('','$Church','$Phone','$Fax','$ContactFirst','$ContactLast','$HeadPastor','$email','$Web','$add1','$add2','$City', '$ST','$Zip','$Last', '$ContactDate','$NumContacts','','$Comments')";
22:03.22timinatoryou need your $$$ so that PHP knows it's a variable
22:03.24mikemthink it worked now errors
22:03.37mikemok
22:04.35mikemi c my first record is the var names
22:05.59timinatoryour City and ST are run together in that SQL statement
22:06.52timinatorthis is minor, but you're using an @ symbol when it connects to the DB.... that will suppress errors
22:06.56timinatorI'd remove that
22:07.45timinatorI prefer to have a die() statement there... or do something else, suppressing errors make it confusing when you're debugging
22:18.03mikemwhat is a good source of looking up syntax for statements such as die()?
22:20.49mgearywww.php.net/die
22:20.55mgearywww.php.net/anything
22:21.04mgearyvery handy
22:22.04mikemawesome thanks
22:23.29mgearymikem: so, did you just stumble across us? Are you from Utah (not that it matters...) ?
22:24.16mgearynot *from*, rather, but *in*
22:24.18mikemI haven't used IRC in years. I am trying to find my developer and just started searching.
22:24.42mikemI spent a lot of time in your neighbor, Idaho.
22:25.16mikemin TX now just don't send any more rain. I have to sell a house
22:26.18mikemcan i have that fried?
22:35.55mgearyit's official
22:36.08mgearythebigdog and mgeary are 2nd cousins once removed
22:36.20beandogthebigdog is inbred?
22:36.42thebigdogyes
22:37.53thebigdogand yes...we are safe to marry :)
22:38.02thebigdogthough it is not recommended
22:43.16beandogI think Ill pass
22:46.01thebigdogty beandog
22:53.54thebigdog~sexy thebigdog
22:54.04beandogheh
22:54.12beandogi'm too sexy for this channel
22:54.29thebigdogthat is correct beandog i am too sexy
22:54.53thebigdogman vpn connections are slow
22:55.24thebigdog~fart beandog
22:55.25jbotACTION farts in beandog's general direction
22:55.57thebigdog~tunafart mgeary
22:55.57jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mgeary, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
22:59.14thebigdoganyone looking to hire a washed up developer?
22:59.22PoeticIntensityI'm washed up....
22:59.30mgeary~stinky PoeticIntensity
22:59.31jbotACTION throws PoeticIntensity into the shower and scrubs vigorously with Liquid Plumber and a wire brush. "Ewww, i am NOT cleaning the hair from the drain"
22:59.39thebigdoghaha PoeticIntensity you jumped the gun on me
22:59.45PoeticIntensity;-)
22:59.58PoeticIntensityoh man... it's been a long day.
23:00.02PoeticIntensityjust about quittin' time.
23:00.03thebigdogi was going to say that PoeticIntensity and beandog are looking for work
23:00.09PoeticIntensityLOL
23:00.10thebigdogyeah dinner time
23:00.11PoeticIntensityLOL
23:00.18unumI've had enough fun time to go home
23:00.38thebigdogim creating some databases so im wasting time
23:01.06beandogheh
23:01.15PoeticIntensityman... if it weren't for pet projects, I'd go nuts as a developer.
23:01.25PoeticIntensitythat, and fast cars.
23:01.36PoeticIntensityah.... sold your car yet, beandog ?
23:01.41beandognopies
23:01.46PoeticIntensityput it up for sale?
23:01.49beandognope
23:01.52PoeticIntensityhuzzah!
23:02.02beandogheh
23:02.21PoeticIntensityalso... I think you and I need to toilet paper, thebigdog's house.
23:02.26PoeticIntensityhe thinks we're washed up.
23:02.28beandogagreed.
23:02.45PoeticIntensityalbeit, he's right.... but.... we still should get him.
23:02.46beandogI'll eat lots of tuna before going.
23:02.46thebigdogcome and get it
23:02.58PoeticIntensitytuna!!
23:03.04beandog~tunafart thebigdog
23:03.05jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to thebigdog, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
23:03.06PoeticIntensityyou'll get it....
23:03.09PoeticIntensityer... got it.
23:03.10PoeticIntensity:)
23:03.15thebigdogmy brother in law just got one of these - http://www.harley-davidson.com/wcm/Content/Pages/2008_Motorcycles/2008_Motorcycles.jsp?locale=en_US&swfsection=family&swffamily=to
23:03.31PoeticIntensityprobably sold one of his kids to get it, too....
23:03.32PoeticIntensity:)
23:03.42thebigdognope...me makes good money
23:03.47thebigdogs/me/he
23:03.52thebigdoghe has 2 bikes now
23:04.17thebigdoghe had to come over and show me...needless to say he is walking on 1 leg now...since i kicked his
23:04.17PoeticIntensitycrazy...
23:04.27PoeticIntensityLOL
23:04.28thebigdoghe has a fatboy
23:04.30fungusI have 2 bikes.
23:04.42PoeticIntensitymy 3-year-old has a trike....
23:04.42fungusToo bad they are only coke powered
23:04.43PoeticIntensitydoes that count?
23:04.49beandoglol, fungus
23:05.01thebigdogPoeticIntensity, sure does
23:05.06SunSparcWhy does printf not like an apostrophe in a string argument?
23:05.09thebigdogi got a spiderman bike
23:05.19thebigdogcause it hates it
23:05.21PoeticIntensity~rockon thebigdog
23:05.26PoeticIntensity~rock thebigdog
23:05.29thebigdogSunSparc, can you escape it
23:05.32PoeticIntensityhrmph.
23:05.38thebigdog~tunafart PoeticIntensity
23:05.38jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to PoeticIntensity, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
23:05.42PoeticIntensityeven jbot feels the Monday in the air.
23:05.45fungusI want one of these.  http://www.vespausa.com/Products/GTS.cfm
23:05.48SunSparcthebigdog: I have tried, but it does not like it still.
23:06.09thebigdogfungus, i heard those are killer fun to ride
23:06.17mgearybut $6k for a scooter??
23:06.20thebigdogthey have a riding group in orem/provo i believe
23:06.26beandogthat looks like something youd buy your groceries on and transport your family of six at the same time
23:06.38thebigdogSunSparc, you cant escape it
23:07.43thebigdogSunSparc, try sprintf
23:07.58thebigdogcan you post your code?
23:08.24thebigdog<?php
23:08.24thebigdog$format = 'The %2$s contains %1$d monkeys.
23:08.24thebigdog<PROTECTED>
23:08.24thebigdogprintf($format, $num, $location);
23:08.24thebigdog?>
23:08.42thebigdogsoemthing like that no-workie?
23:09.18SunSparchmmm, maybe it is not printf that is having the problem then... Yeah, I will post my code...
23:12.29SunSparchttp://pastebin.ca/672891
23:12.56SunSparcIt seems to work if I do it all manually, like this:  printf('<a href="/page?t=bob" class="%s">%s</a>', 'classname', "McDonald’s Corporation");
23:13.27thebigdogdid you escape it in the array
23:13.36SunSparcNo
23:13.41thebigdoghttp://pastebin.ca/672893
23:14.06SunSparcI have tried escaping it as it comes out of the array though.
23:14.38SunSparcYeah, I could escape things that go into the array, but I would have to get into someone else's code.  It may come to that.
23:18.01thebigdogyour foreach is weird
23:18.12SunSparc?
23:18.22thebigdogwhat editor are you using?
23:18.27SunSparcCoda
23:18.40thebigdogthat apostrophe is weird
23:18.48thebigdogyou sure that is not a backtick
23:19.03SunSparcOh, that apostrophe came from the client.
23:19.14timinatorlooks like a backtick
23:19.16thebigdogi think that might be backtick
23:19.17SunSparcThey copied and pasted stuff from somewhere.
23:19.20thebigdogthat is the problem
23:19.30timinatorwhat's weird about the foreach, bigdog?
23:19.48SunSparcWell, I have changed it to a single quote and an apostrophe also with the same results.
23:21.30timinatorwhat's with the %s?
23:21.53SunSparc%s = String for printf
23:22.12timinatoroh
23:23.28thebigdogSunSparc, perhaps the replacement arg cannot have a ' in it
23:23.41timinatorso, to debug it, comment out the $var and the printf statements.... and just echo $name." -- ".$count in the if statement
23:23.51timinatorthat way you can just test the loops
23:24.07thebigdogit might have to do with the padding specifier
23:24.20timinatorthen, once you know the loops are working, start adding stuff back in
23:24.56SunSparcIt could be the %s
23:25.25SunSparctiminator:  I know the loops are working.  I get a full list of correct output, except for the ones with this odd apostrophe.
23:25.38timinatorah
23:25.42timinatork
23:26.00timinatorI've got to run ....good luck w/ it SunSparc
23:26.00thebigdogyeah you would have to look at the linux sprintf version and see what %s encompasses
23:26.10SunSparcThanks tim.
23:26.12timinatorlater guys
23:26.43SunSparcYou think sprintf handles it different from printf?
23:26.46SunSparcI could try
23:27.12SunSparcI thought the only difference was the way data was returned vs outputted.
23:29.25thebigdogthat is the diff
23:29.51thebigdogSunSparc, try using htmlspecialchars
23:31.50PoeticIntensityquestion for web devs...
23:32.13PoeticIntensityanyone here know of a good free flash-based audio player easily embeddable into web sites?
23:32.36SunSparcthebigdog:  tried htmlentities, htmlspecialchars, addslashes, urlencode...
23:32.45PoeticIntensityI'm lookin' at http://musicplayer.sourceforge.net/#about that, but not sure of my options.
23:33.19SunSparcPoeticIntensity: Ask Jake.
23:33.25PoeticIntensityheh... I should.
23:33.37SunSparcHe is the Flash king.
23:33.46PoeticIntensityhe is.
23:33.53PoeticIntensitybut... looks like he's not online at the moment.
23:34.10SunSparcYeah, he also leaves punctually.  :)
23:36.45SunSparcjbot, give thebigdog a huge cookie
23:36.46jbotACTION gives a huge cookie to thebigdog
23:37.06SunSparcthebigdog: htmlspecialchars worked!  Thank you.
23:37.12thebigdognp
23:37.21SunSparcapparently it is not just like htmlentities as the manual suggests.
23:38.58SunSparcNow I can go home.
23:39.02SunSparcHave a good one all!
23:39.40thebigdogwhen your good your good
23:44.20mgearylater folks
23:44.21*** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49)
23:57.26beandogI need a toaster strudel.
23:58.55beandog~toastie PoeticIntensity
23:59.53PoeticIntensityI've added categories to my journaling site.

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