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| 02:48.29 | mindjuju | ~seen mgeary |
| 02:48.31 | jbot | mgeary <n=mgeary@166.70.44.49> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 6h 16m 33s ago, saying: 'thanks'. |
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| 02:49.24 | influx^^ | Can any of you access Flickr right now? |
| 02:50.48 | mindjuju | www.flickr.com - yes, i can pull up that page |
| 02:56.59 | influx^^ | Alright. |
| 02:57.07 | influx^^ | I guess this AP doesn't allow access to it. |
| 02:57.27 | mindjuju | influx^^ , do you do flash video? |
| 02:57.57 | influx^^ | Not myself, now. |
| 02:57.59 | influx^^ | err, no |
| 02:58.10 | influx^^ | Do you need something done? |
| 03:00.07 | mindjuju | i can hear audio coming from an flv, but can't see it |
| 03:00.14 | mindjuju | can't tell if it is a codec issue or a scripting issue |
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| 03:02.14 | influx^^ | ah |
| 03:06.01 | mindjuju | sup fernplant |
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| 03:58.17 | mindjuju | the only thing that harms this, is his Monty Burns hands together look http://www.mattel.com/safety/us/ |
| 03:58.40 | mindjuju | otherwise, very strategic corporate policy |
| 04:24.49 | wps | anyone know why japan's TLD is .co.jp? |
| 04:24.53 | wps | what's the .co? |
| 04:24.57 | wps | why isn't it just .jp? |
| 04:25.13 | mindjuju | don't know, but i know that uk is the same way |
| 04:25.31 | wps | does .co mean "country" ? |
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| 04:33.05 | herlo | wps: jp is the TLD and co is what is called the Second level domain SLD. |
| 04:33.22 | wps | what's an SLD for? |
| 04:34.28 | herlo | if you use the dig command on Linux and do a dig japantimes.co.jp. you'll notice that the second level domain of the dns server is ad |
| 04:34.47 | herlo | wps: usually the SLD is something like google.com where com is the TLD |
| 04:35.08 | wps | huh? |
| 04:35.13 | herlo | everything is in a distributed hierarchy |
| 04:35.16 | herlo | so |
| 04:35.35 | herlo | the first level of the hierarchy is called the nameless root or "." |
| 04:35.41 | wps | in the "google.com" example, you're saying that "google" is an SLD? |
| 04:35.46 | herlo | the next level is the TLD or top level domain |
| 04:36.10 | herlo | .com., .org., .edu. are all TLDs |
| 04:36.56 | herlo | wps: yes, but you don't refer to an SLD without the higher components so it is google.com. (note the last dot indicating the nameless root |
| 04:36.59 | herlo | ) |
| 04:37.38 | wps | so in the example "monkeybutt.co.jp", the "co" is the domain? and "monkeybutt" is just a sub domain? |
| 04:37.51 | herlo | wps: no |
| 04:38.10 | herlo | SLD means second level domain |
| 04:38.27 | wps | I don't understand your google.com example then |
| 04:38.29 | herlo | wps: subdomain comes from the SLD usually |
| 04:38.48 | herlo | so a subdomain usually represents a machine name in your domain |
| 04:38.59 | herlo | ie www.example.com. is a subdomain of example.com. |
| 04:39.17 | wps | yes |
| 04:39.44 | herlo | and its true that com. is a subdomain of . but since there isn't really a machine that does anything on com. we don't refer to it as a subdomain |
| 04:40.06 | herlo | now you are going to have to learn all about dns before you understand |
| 04:40.29 | herlo | so lets start from the beginning |
| 04:41.06 | herlo | when you make a request from godaddy.com for example.com. you are making a request for the right to manage that domain. This is called a delegation |
| 04:41.59 | herlo | delegations are *always* determined by the parent of the current zone |
| 04:41.59 | herlo | a zone is a grouping of subdomains |
| 04:42.31 | herlo | so if you were to make a dns server for example.com, you might have www, mail, wiki, etc... |
| 04:42.49 | herlo | all of these subdomains are part of the example.com. zone |
| 04:42.53 | herlo | does this make sense? |
| 04:43.01 | wps | I understand all of that, yes |
| 04:43.22 | wps | how does the SLD fit in? |
| 04:43.36 | herlo | wps: and since you own the rights to example.com. because you paid godaddy.com you own the write to manage your own SLD |
| 04:44.07 | herlo | an SLD just shows the level you are at. TLD is top, SLD is second level, and you could go down from there, but nobody does. |
| 04:44.33 | wps | except for people in japan and UK? |
| 04:44.33 | herlo | at the point you own the SLD or Second Level Domain, you then have a zone full of subdomains. |
| 04:44.47 | herlo | right, they all get Third Level Domains |
| 04:45.02 | herlo | and this was determined by the people at the TLD and SLD levels |
| 04:45.52 | herlo | so when they buy a domain they could buy under a TLD like .com. or .org. or they could buy under a SLD like co.jp. co.nz. or co.uk |
| 04:46.07 | herlo | does that clear it up? |
| 04:46.13 | wps | I think so, yes |
| 04:46.26 | wps | why would someone want to buy under an SLD? |
| 04:46.29 | herlo | okay. Man, I thought that would be easy to explain... |
| 04:46.39 | herlo | well, because they live in that country? |
| 04:46.55 | herlo | its not like its all that many characters to type really |
| 04:47.09 | herlo | theregister.co.uk isn't all that hard to type |
| 04:47.25 | wps | so the government (or some other governing body) forces them? or doesn't allow them to register under the .uk TLD? |
| 04:47.32 | herlo | its really just how the uk and nz and jp decided to delegate it... |
| 04:47.38 | herlo | right |
| 04:47.51 | herlo | there are other subdomains in .uk probably |
| 04:47.56 | herlo | like gov.uk my guess |
| 04:48.09 | herlo | co.uk is like .com methinks |
| 04:48.25 | herlo | except it is supposed to represent the uk only |
| 04:53.02 | herlo | hope that helps |
| 04:54.09 | mindjuju | well, and don't forget .edu in the states often has that level of breakdown |
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| 05:28.08 | Supaplex | other times it's just broken ;) |
| 05:43.41 | herlo | actually a better example would be .us |
| 05:44.09 | herlo | usually you can't register something .us, but you could register something .ut.us |
| 06:00.09 | Supaplex | i have surfthe.us |
| 06:01.33 | mindjuju | herlo , you still around? |
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| 14:46.06 | timinator | morning guys |
| 14:54.24 | herlo | mindjuju: pong |
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| 15:35.22 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 15:42.10 | mgeary | you know, it's really just idiotic |
| 15:42.24 | mgeary | spammers sending emails with subjects like, "Handles a kernel assertion failure in a debug build" |
| 15:42.37 | herlo | so I need a simple upload script that's secure, is there a good app that is available for such a thing? |
| 15:43.03 | mgeary | "secure" meaning what? |
| 15:43.10 | mgeary | and how big are the things you need to upload? |
| 15:44.12 | herlo | dunno, probably no bigger than 20mb |
| 15:44.18 | herlo | just pdfs and odt files |
| 15:44.24 | herlo | things like that |
| 15:44.57 | mgeary | so, big enough that you'll probably want some visual feedback on the status of the upload |
| 15:45.02 | herlo | secure, meaning that I don't have to worry that someone will be able to upload a malicious file, secure with a login or secure with a passphrase or something |
| 15:45.10 | herlo | mgeary: yeah, probably |
| 15:45.46 | mgeary | afaik, there are 2 ways to do that: 1) Flash and 2) Ajax (possibly) combined with a serverside extension. I've done the Flash route before with good results |
| 15:45.55 | herlo | mgeary: remember ronco - set it and forget it! |
| 15:46.08 | herlo | mgeary: not a big fan of flash. |
| 15:46.25 | herlo | mgeary: but I was looking for more of an out of the box solution that I could tweak |
| 15:46.37 | mgeary | understood, but it's nice to have a code-only solution, rather than have to compile/install a serverside extension |
| 15:47.31 | mgeary | there's a java applet solution as well, that splits the file up clientside into slices and sends them to the server |
| 15:47.38 | mgeary | looked....awkward to me |
| 15:49.36 | mgeary | however, it's been said to me that using HTTP to upload a large file is a bad idea because (supposedly) the entire file is stored in memory for the duration of the upload |
| 15:49.40 | herlo | mgeary: compile a server side extension? AJAX doesn't get compiled last I checked |
| 15:49.45 | mgeary | no |
| 15:49.58 | herlo | mgeary: what are you referring to then? |
| 15:50.03 | mgeary | sec |
| 15:53.11 | mgeary | (looking for the conversation i had with a colleague about it) |
| 15:54.48 | herlo | k, I'll be here |
| 15:54.53 | herlo | mgeary: tx, btw |
| 15:54.57 | mgeary | np |
| 15:57.36 | mgeary | aah |
| 15:57.40 | mgeary | it was the apc extension |
| 15:57.47 | mgeary | supports callbacks |
| 15:57.55 | herlo | apc as in apache process cache? |
| 15:57.57 | mgeary | or something to that effect, i believe |
| 15:58.00 | mgeary | http://us3.php.net/apc |
| 15:58.04 | mgeary | alternative php cache |
| 15:58.09 | herlo | yeah, okay, right |
| 15:58.23 | mgeary | though i don't see anything on that page referring to callback |
| 15:58.44 | mgeary | basically a friend asked me to compile & install the extension for an upload process he was building |
| 15:58.50 | mgeary | so my exposure was limited |
| 15:59.04 | mgeary | aah |
| 15:59.07 | herlo | I see |
| 15:59.09 | mgeary | if you use PHP 5.2.0+ |
| 15:59.18 | mgeary | FTA: "RFC1867 File Upload Progress hook handler is only available if you compiled APC against PHP 5.2.0 or later. When enabled, any file uploads which includes a field called APC_UPLOAD_PROGRESS before the file field in an upload form will cause APC to automatically create an upload_key user cache entry where key is the value of the APC_UPLOAD_PROGRESS form entry" |
| 16:01.08 | herlo | mgeary: darn 5.1.3 |
| 16:01.14 | herlo | er 5.1.6 |
| 16:05.45 | mindjuju | @ herlo - SYN |
| 16:06.20 | herlo | mindjuju: hey you pinged me last night? |
| 16:06.44 | mindjuju | i thought i was suppose to receive an ACK |
| 16:07.17 | herlo | mindjuju: ACK |
| 16:07.31 | herlo | mindjuju: my friend and I do that when we sign off from each other on IM sometimes |
| 16:08.22 | mindjuju | hilarious! i think i might have done that because i saw a previous instance of you sending a ping |
| 16:08.29 | herlo | mindjuju: so I need a simple upload script that's secure, is there a good app that is available for such a thing? mgeary is helping me too, so far no out of the box stuff though |
| 16:09.02 | herlo | mindjuju is reminded to register for the conference as a speaker or as a volunteer |
| 16:10.05 | mindjuju | upload script for ---> 1. What 2. How big 3. What Language |
| 16:10.12 | herlo | oh |
| 16:10.13 | herlo | oops |
| 16:10.35 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.42 | mindjuju | if i'm understanding you right, jupload is good. has nice GUI for the clients, handles multiple files, any file size up to 100mb, recursive foldering and if i recall correctly free to nonprofit and personal use |
| 16:12.54 | herlo | does it provide for logins? |
| 16:13.06 | herlo | or some sort of security passphrase? |
| 16:13.38 | herlo | mindjuju: and can it be on a web form? |
| 16:14.19 | mindjuju | yes, written for web form, last time i used it, authentication happened previous, it itself do not authenticate |
| 16:14.34 | herlo | hmm |
| 16:14.48 | mindjuju | oh wait, i'm wrong |
| 16:14.54 | mindjuju | http://www.jupload.biz/content/view/13/29/ |
| 16:15.18 | herlo | mindjuju: yeah it does.. but I'm there |
| 16:16.02 | herlo | mindjuju: wrong about what? |
| 16:16.47 | mindjuju | last i used this, it worked like a champ. Used it for a company that was building software for photogs. We'd send a 100 pics varying from 10 ~ 20mb each, and it just sailed through it |
| 16:16.51 | mindjuju | wrong about no security |
| 16:16.56 | herlo | mindjuju: oh |
| 16:17.27 | mindjuju | is this in the direction you were looking to head, or where you looking for something different |
| 16:17.57 | herlo | mindjuju: too heavy methinks. I only need to uplod one, two or three files |
| 16:18.06 | herlo | s/od/oad/g |
| 16:18.19 | mindjuju | oh |
| 16:23.03 | mindjuju | k, so lets see. A script to handle a couple of files. What does it need to be written in? PHP, Flash, Java or server side agnostic? |
| 16:27.34 | herlo | not Flash, java is to heavy, so php, perl, python and I don't much care as long as it meets the needs I have |
| 16:27.38 | herlo | stated |
| 16:27.57 | herlo | doesn't even need to have a db |
| 16:30.30 | herlo | thanks mgeary and mindjuju for the ideas |
| 16:33.22 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, have you used the apc w/ 5.2 upload hook thing before? |
| 16:33.30 | mgeary | nope, but a buddy has |
| 16:33.35 | PoeticIntensity | that's quite intriguing.... |
| 16:34.02 | mgeary | yeah, but 5.2 is on very few production servers |
| 16:34.53 | wps | will someone ping uphpu.org for me? |
| 16:35.00 | wps | http://uphpu.org |
| 16:35.08 | mgeary | 64 bytes from 216.194.124.132: icmp_seq=0 ttl=55 time=37.124 ms |
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| 16:35.21 | mgeary | machine is up, server is down, apparently |
| 16:35.35 | wps | you get anything in a web browser? |
| 16:35.36 | SunSparc | 64 bytes from 216.194.124.132: icmp_seq=2 ttl=49 time=26.757 ms |
| 16:35.59 | SunSparc | Nothing in browser |
| 16:36.07 | wps | dang |
| 16:36.17 | herlo | wps: how do you ping an http address? |
| 16:37.00 | wps | you can't |
| 16:37.02 | SunSparc | An http address is just a port assigned on a specific ip |
| 16:38.00 | thebigdog | you can test the port and see if the webserver is up and responding |
| 16:38.01 | SunSparc | wps: is the server heavily loaded? |
| 16:38.46 | wps | no |
| 16:39.11 | wps | that's weird that the server is responding but no services are |
| 16:39.29 | mgeary | well, is httpd running? |
| 16:39.33 | SunSparc | Have you restarted apache? |
| 16:39.50 | wps | ssh isn't responding, so I cannot get onto the box to determine that |
| 16:40.05 | mgeary | how inconvenient |
| 16:40.08 | wps | which means that I get to go for a walk |
| 16:40.26 | SunSparc | If ssh is not responding then you may have a heavy load or you may have run out of processes. |
| 16:40.53 | mgeary | yeah, but you usually get a message to that effect |
| 16:40.57 | mgeary | as opposed to empty silence |
| 16:40.58 | SunSparc | You may have a runaway task or a hacker |
| 16:41.08 | SunSparc | I don't always on my servers. |
| 16:41.45 | wps | hmm… I didn't get my LogWatch email last night |
| 16:41.50 | SunSparc | Apache is still accepting connections but incapable of responding currently, it appears. |
| 16:53.34 | herlo | wps: whew, I was a bit worried about that... |
| 16:53.41 | wps | about what? |
| 16:53.53 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.53 | herlo | 10:26 <@wps> you can't |
| 16:54.09 | herlo | I know that you can't ping it, wasn't sure why you were asking us to do that |
| 16:54.10 | wps | I wasn't asking him to ping http://uphpu.org |
| 16:54.19 | herlo | will someone ping uphpu.org for me? xilch|w |
| 16:54.22 | herlo | 10:24 <@wps> http://uphpu.org |
| 16:54.23 | wps | I asked if someone was willing to ping uphpu.org |
| 16:54.31 | herlo | hmm, odd... |
| 16:54.40 | herlo | okay, just confused then... |
| 16:54.49 | wps | and then after that I pasted the URL to the site… followed by a question asking if someone could access it in a browser |
| 16:55.02 | herlo | wps: oh, I see. The spacing is what threw me |
| 16:55.06 | herlo | sorry |
| 16:56.54 | herlo | timinator: how? |
| 16:56.59 | herlo | tierra: I mean |
| 16:57.06 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:57.06 | herlo | geez |
| 16:57.22 | timinator | geez..... now I'm out of the code zone |
| 16:57.23 | tierra | you c&p'd a nick in your line |
| 16:57.34 | herlo | tierra: oh, yeah, I did |
| 16:57.40 | herlo | ah well |
| 16:58.23 | tierra | it's easier if you bind keys for '/nicklist off' and '/nicklist screen' |
| 16:59.04 | herlo | tierra: I don't really know how to bind keys in irssi |
| 17:00.27 | tierra | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:02.09 | herlo | tierra: tx, I'll get to it someday |
| 17:24.41 | thebigdog | wps you can login to the server? |
| 17:24.46 | wps | no |
| 17:25.00 | wps | anyone want to buy a server? |
| 17:25.05 | thebigdog | lol |
| 17:25.09 | wps | I'm serious |
| 17:25.19 | wps | I think that I am going to go to a dedicated… or most like virtual solution |
| 17:25.31 | wps | where I still have completely control but don't have to worry about hardware |
| 17:25.44 | mgeary | *worry quite as much* |
| 17:26.35 | wps | why would there be any worry? |
| 17:26.50 | mgeary | well, you always worry |
| 17:26.58 | wps | oh, sure :) |
| 17:27.29 | mgeary | hey |
| 17:27.42 | mgeary | i'm not used to using svn over the svn:// protocol |
| 17:27.48 | mgeary | if i want to check out a new project, do i do this: |
| 17:28.00 | mgeary | svn co svn://server.com/path/to/dir |
| 17:28.00 | mgeary | ? |
| 17:28.33 | mgeary | (i'm getting auth errors, and i want to make sure i'm doing things right on my end) |
| 17:32.06 | SunSparc | wps: Is this the uphpu server you are talking about? It is just on a Linux box at your place or in a colocation? |
| 17:32.23 | wps | it is a linux box that I own at a data center |
| 17:32.30 | wps | and yes, the box that hosts UPHPU |
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| 17:32.54 | justingiboney | Good Morning UPHPY |
| 17:32.56 | justingiboney | UPHPU |
| 17:37.01 | timinator | morning |
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| 17:37.11 | timinator | looks like you just made it |
| 17:37.31 | timinator | another 30 min to lunch |
| 17:37.44 | timinator | :) |
| 17:38.14 | SunSparc | I show 23 minutes |
| 17:40.49 | justingiboney | i have started snacking on candy already |
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| 17:50.42 | thebigdog | its nice when your articles get sighted |
| 17:50.51 | mgeary | *cited |
| 17:50.54 | mgeary | ;) |
| 17:50.58 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 17:51.02 | mgeary | where? |
| 17:51.39 | thebigdog | http://devzone.zend.com/article/1087-Using-Sablotron-to-process-XSLT#Heading15 |
| 17:51.49 | thebigdog | resources last link |
| 17:51.56 | thebigdog | but it does not work |
| 17:51.59 | mgeary | nice |
| 17:52.01 | mgeary | props to thebigdog |
| 17:52.16 | mgeary | 'course |
| 17:52.17 | thebigdog | the guy took the site down |
| 17:52.18 | mgeary | the link is broken |
| 17:53.09 | thebigdog | ^^ |
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| 18:20.14 | timinator | props to thebigdog |
| 18:20.33 | timinator | hear hear |
| 18:24.19 | mindjuju | ~flip thebigdog |
| 18:24.20 | jbot | ACTION gives thebigdog the .|.. ..|. |
| 18:24.47 | mindjuju | <bevis>heh, cool...</bevis> |
| 18:27.05 | bradym | anyone know if it's possibe to set & then use vars in .htaccess redirect rules? |
| 18:32.33 | beandog | ~asplode beandog |
| 18:32.33 | jbot | beandog head asplode, k thx |
| 18:32.53 | PoeticIntensity | problems, beandog ? |
| 18:33.06 | beandog | lets just say I have the hardware kiss of death, and leave it at that. |
| 18:37.25 | PoeticIntensity | ugh.... not another power-supply issue.... |
| 18:46.44 | wps | …and we're back |
| 18:46.50 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: motherboard. |
| 18:47.08 | PoeticIntensity | oh, good grief, man.... That sucks. |
| 18:47.14 | PoeticIntensity | sheesh. |
| 18:49.27 | wps | jbot, promote Tier Four |
| 18:49.42 | wps | jbot, congratulate Tier Four |
| 18:49.42 | jbot | ACTION congratulates Tier Four on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 18:49.48 | wps | hmm |
| 18:49.56 | wps | jbot, hug Tier Four |
| 18:49.56 | jbot | ACTION jumps into Tier Four's lap and huggles and *hugs* Tier Four |
| 18:50.03 | wps | that'll do |
| 18:50.06 | wps | Tier Four ++ |
| 18:50.56 | beandog | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtk8DPNPbgc |
| 18:50.58 | beandog | that looks insanely fun |
| 18:51.31 | mgeary | can you say, "deinterlace"? |
| 18:55.23 | wps | wow: that's awesome |
| 18:56.02 | beandog | he estimates they go about 40 feet in the air |
| 18:56.06 | beandog | and launch about 40 feet out as well |
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| 19:01.36 | PoeticIntensity | HOLY COW that's awesome. |
| 19:03.09 | PoeticIntensity | oh man.... I wanna do it. |
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| 19:20.10 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o macnewbold] by ChanServ |
| 19:20.41 | mindjuju | @macnewbold SYN |
| 19:20.42 | macnewbold | ~ping mgeary |
| 19:20.42 | jbot | pong mgeary |
| 19:20.46 | mgeary | gotcha |
| 19:20.47 | macnewbold | sup mindjuju |
| 19:21.09 | mindjuju | did you get my email, first time i sent, it came back |
| 19:21.27 | macnewbold | hm |
| 19:21.38 | macnewbold | how long ago was it? What address was it to? |
| 19:21.47 | macnewbold | if I didn't reply I don't know that I got it |
| 19:22.08 | mindjuju | yesterday mac @ |
| 19:22.11 | mindjuju | macnewbold |
| 19:22.14 | mindjuju | .com |
| 19:22.28 | macnewbold | hm |
| 19:22.49 | macnewbold | oh, yes, I did see that one I think, don't remember what it said now though. had a crazy night/morning |
| 19:23.00 | macnewbold | yeah, tat's intersting |
| 19:23.13 | macnewbold | the mynoteit guy was one of the first to comment about how mynoteit was missing from the list :) |
| 19:23.35 | mindjuju | k, just saw it as potential advertising, thought if you could contact the guy, he could add you |
| 19:25.26 | macnewbold | right, definitely a good thought |
| 19:25.43 | macnewbold | I was working on gradefix until after midnight last night, got a lot of great stuff done |
| 19:25.53 | macnewbold | we're coming out with a whole new look this fall |
| 19:25.59 | macnewbold | and a bunch of great new features in the scheduler |
| 19:28.28 | mindjuju | awesome! let us know when it rolls so we can digg it |
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| 20:04.36 | wps | is there someone in linux that the system can tell you how much (and what kind) of RAM is installed? |
| 20:04.42 | wps | s/someone/somewhere/ |
| 20:13.52 | thebigdog | like name brand and stuff? |
| 20:14.03 | wps | yeah |
| 20:14.12 | wps | cat /proc/meminfo tells me how much |
| 20:14.17 | wps | but I'd also like to know what brand |
| 20:14.21 | thebigdog | yeah that is about it |
| 20:16.14 | thebigdog | the bios might tell you |
| 20:16.34 | thebigdog | or you can look and see what HP has for your version info |
| 20:16.35 | wps | ah yes… but if I was that close to the machine, I could just take the cover off :) |
| 20:17.12 | thebigdog | do you have the serial # for it? |
| 20:17.18 | wps | yeah |
| 20:17.28 | wps | does HP have a place to look up spec by serial? |
| 20:17.41 | thebigdog | dell does not sure on hp |
| 20:17.43 | thebigdog | i would think they do |
| 20:17.54 | thebigdog | esp if you have the serial you could call on it |
| 20:19.19 | thebigdog | wps, what type of hp is your server? |
| 20:20.02 | wps | HP ProLiant DL360 G3 |
| 20:21.42 | macnewbold | in freebsd, /var/run/dmesg.boot often has info like that, not sure about the brand of the RAM though |
| 20:22.00 | macnewbold | I don't know if linux has something similar |
| 20:22.09 | thebigdog | http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11504_div/11504_div.html |
| 20:22.41 | thebigdog | you might not get the ram type |
| 20:23.28 | thebigdog | http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products/quickspecs/11504_div/11504_div.html#Memory |
| 20:24.00 | wps | wow, good work, thebigdog |
| 20:24.21 | thebigdog | i have to do that a lot with dell boxes |
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| 21:07.36 | beandog | bah. |
| 21:07.47 | beandog | Stone Temple Pilots++ |
| 21:13.06 | mgeary | ~macnewbold++ |
| 21:13.17 | macnewbold | everything go okay, mgeary? |
| 21:13.26 | mgeary | we'll see |
| 21:13.37 | mgeary | but my horizons are broader now ;) |
| 21:13.55 | mgeary | and my associate is very appreciative, and more cautious |
| 21:14.11 | mgeary | which is always wise |
| 21:20.55 | SunSparc | What is the easiest way to take DRM off of iTunes music files? |
| 21:21.11 | wps | burn them to CD and then rip them |
| 21:21.22 | mgeary | yep |
| 21:21.44 | mgeary | a better question is, "how can you take DRM off of iTunes *video* files?" |
| 21:21.48 | beandog | rm ? |
| 21:21.48 | mgeary | wish i had a good answer there |
| 21:22.06 | beandog | SunSparc: hymn-project.org |
| 21:22.40 | SunSparc | :) I know that technique and I am trying to avoid it. :) I have a couple hundred songs I have purchased on iTunes and if I burn them to CD they are burned in CDA format and all information is lost which means I would need to type in all the song information for them again once I import them. |
| 21:23.20 | SunSparc | beandog: yeah, I downloaded that and am considering using it. |
| 21:23.31 | beandog | SunSparc: I dont think it works on latest version of DRM. |
| 21:23.36 | beandog | but Ive used it before |
| 21:23.47 | beandog | Open source my arse. |
| 21:24.01 | mgeary | ewww |
| 21:24.03 | SunSparc | So it does not completely remove drm? |
| 21:24.03 | wps | uh… |
| 21:24.08 | beandog | :) |
| 21:24.32 | beandog | SunSparc: I mean, I dont think the newer version will work. |
| 21:24.40 | SunSparc | Oh |
| 21:24.45 | beandog | er. |
| 21:24.48 | beandog | Let me rephrase. |
| 21:24.52 | SunSparc | :( |
| 21:25.02 | beandog | hymn's latest version wont work against Apple's latest version of DRM. |
| 21:25.16 | SunSparc | Bummer |
| 21:25.26 | beandog | but, at one time, it worked great. |
| 21:25.31 | beandog | I dont think the new one has been cracked yet. |
| 21:25.56 | beandog | As PoeticIntensity would say though, just use that Russian site. |
| 21:25.59 | SunSparc | I guess the burning to cd option might be my only route then. That will take for ever. |
| 21:26.18 | SunSparc | Sounds like something PI would say. |
| 21:27.37 | mindjuju | i've got a friend here who wants to start out on php, and he's looking for an IDE. Any suggestions |
| 21:27.52 | wps | Coda! |
| 21:28.13 | justingiboney | text edit |
| 21:28.16 | justingiboney | editor |
| 21:28.22 | beandog | kate! |
| 21:28.24 | beandog | :) |
| 21:28.28 | beandog | vim! |
| 21:28.35 | beandog | vim kicks booty. |
| 21:28.51 | beandog | okay, Ill stop blithely opinionating now |
| 21:29.16 | SunSparc | edlin! |
| 21:29.59 | SunSparc | Coda is pretty darn cool. |
| 21:31.25 | SunSparc | It is as handy as it is elegant. |
| 21:41.22 | mgeary | TextMate, folks |
| 21:43.34 | macnewbold | mindjuju: tell him to use whatever decent text editor he's familiar with. that will be the biggest timesaver. If he doesn't have a favorite yet, I like emacs. |
| 21:43.50 | macnewbold | anything that does syntax highlighting and auto-indenting should do great for him |
| 21:44.16 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, it used to be called allofmp3.com |
| 21:44.20 | PoeticIntensity | now it's called mp3sparks.com |
| 21:44.29 | beandog | SunSparc: ^^ |
| 21:44.46 | PoeticIntensity | I've given em' hundreds of my dollars.. |
| 21:44.53 | mindjuju | i didn't know they accepted credit cards anymore |
| 21:45.03 | PoeticIntensity | haven't had much trouble, and the trouble I have had they fixed quickly. |
| 21:45.12 | PoeticIntensity | sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. |
| 21:45.34 | SunSparc | beandog: thanks |
| 21:49.04 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: hundreds, are you serious? |
| 21:49.09 | beandog | that's like, thousands of songs |
| 21:49.11 | beandog | isn't it? |
| 21:50.06 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 21:50.14 | PoeticIntensity | I've given em' just under 200.00 |
| 21:50.27 | PoeticIntensity | for what they provide, it is *such* a steal. |
| 21:50.48 | PoeticIntensity | and I'm honestly convinced that if the stupid RIAA would take the money, they'd pay em', too. |
| 21:52.33 | wps | it's funny |
| 21:52.47 | wps | I asked for people to make an offer and every email that I have received about it asks how much I want for it |
| 21:52.59 | mindjuju | i have that same one |
| 21:53.06 | thebigdog | i love allofmp3.com |
| 21:53.13 | thebigdog | many $$$ have i spent |
| 21:53.19 | PoeticIntensity | I used to love allofmp3.com... |
| 21:53.27 | mindjuju | 1 dl360 g3 and 2 DL380 |
| 21:53.28 | PoeticIntensity | now I love mp3sparks.com |
| 21:53.29 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 21:53.30 | thebigdog | ill have to check out hte new one |
| 21:53.39 | PoeticIntensity | same thing, different name, different colors. |
| 21:53.52 | mindjuju | i thought mp3sparks couldn't take CC though |
| 21:53.59 | PoeticIntensity | I mean, c'mon... Who else is gonna let you download in ogg q6 format?! |
| 21:54.12 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, I've paid em' through mp3sparks. |
| 21:54.22 | mindjuju | so wps , is this a server that's currently in production or is it a spare? |
| 21:54.33 | wps | it's the UPHPU server |
| 21:54.35 | PoeticIntensity | seems they've got a firewall blocking the USA and any other country that deems them "illegal". |
| 21:54.45 | mindjuju | how old is it? |
| 21:54.55 | PoeticIntensity | (unless you've given em' money in the past, or they like you, or something...) |
| 21:55.01 | PoeticIntensity | I just asked em' to let me pay em', and they did. :) |
| 21:55.02 | beandog | http://www.torso.com.au/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/ponies.jpg |
| 21:55.31 | mindjuju | be right back, gents , got to talk money with the director |
| 21:59.00 | beandog | http://store.cottonfactory.com/cf-307.html |
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| 22:03.55 | mindjuju | wps, PM sent |
| 22:04.13 | wps | PM received |
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| 22:12.31 | beandog | do you ever just randomly pick a playlist just to play something |
| 22:13.28 | mindjuju | canned techno from a playlist doesn't taste as good as fresh techno |
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| 22:19.58 | timinator_ | stormin here |
| 22:20.26 | mgeary | sql question for y'all |
| 22:20.37 | mindjuju | ugh, that's the worst wps. a key decision maker here is literally color blind and it reflects in his decisions |
| 22:20.41 | wps | I really need to start my own company (with thebigdog as CTO of course) so that I can make the decisions |
| 22:20.50 | SunSparc | delete * from mysql; |
| 22:20.55 | mgeary | i've encountered this before, and it seems like there *ought* to be a way to do this would a bunch of subqueries-- |
| 22:21.06 | mindjuju | too funny SunSparc |
| 22:21.10 | mgeary | to simplify: i've got 2 tables, tableA and tableB |
| 22:21.16 | SunSparc | :) |
| 22:21.21 | mgeary | tableA has a foreign key to tableB |
| 22:21.47 | mgeary | but i want to join tableA twice on to tableB. |
| 22:21.58 | beandog | mgeary: no likey subqueries? |
| 22:22.11 | mgeary | beandog: well... i avoid them if possible |
| 22:22.17 | beandog | ah okay. |
| 22:22.21 | mgeary | they don't really come naturally to me just yet |
| 22:22.31 | mgeary | which, of course, means that i really *should* do more of them |
| 22:22.42 | beandog | if you can do a join, its better, obviously |
| 22:22.45 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:22.48 | mgeary | anyway |
| 22:22.48 | beandog | subqueries are handy with deletes though. |
| 22:22.48 | macnewbold | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:23.03 | justingiboney | mgeary are you using two id columns? |
| 22:23.08 | mgeary | justingiboney: no |
| 22:23.13 | mgeary | (whipping up a sample query) |
| 22:23.21 | justingiboney | then how are you joing it twice? |
| 22:23.53 | justingiboney | joing = joining |
| 22:24.01 | wps | I would recommend keeping your consumables and electronics separate |
| 22:24.49 | justingiboney | actually a query is just a series of ones and zeros (or ons and offs) which in theory could be consumed in some manner |
| 22:24.51 | timinator_ | gives more of a kick if you mix them wps |
| 22:25.52 | beandog | you can do it |
| 22:25.53 | mindjuju | mgeary! the anticipation is killing me...! |
| 22:25.58 | beandog | just join the table twice |
| 22:26.00 | wps | so instead of drinking a screw driver, you could saddle up to a digital bar and ask for a power drill? |
| 22:26.30 | beandog | SELECT t1.*, t2.*, t3.* FROM table t1 INNER JOIN table t2 ON t1.id != t2.id ... etc. |
| 22:26.55 | mgeary | hold yer horses |
| 22:27.12 | mgeary | okay |
| 22:27.12 | mindjuju | if a screwdriver is vodka and orange juice, then would a power drill be the same but like with red bull? |
| 22:27.20 | mindjuju | too funny beandog |
| 22:27.29 | mgeary | http://pastebin.ca/661650 |
| 22:27.32 | mgeary | now, let me explain |
| 22:28.14 | mgeary | what's basically going on now is that i do a group_by that means that i get exactly 2 rows for each interesting set of data |
| 22:28.25 | mgeary | i'm trying to make so i just get one row, with more columns |
| 22:28.56 | mgeary | so, when i do this group_by, it's grouping on a boolean field |
| 22:29.00 | mgeary | *group by |
| 22:29.05 | mgeary | hence the two rows |
| 22:29.21 | mgeary | so, i'm wondering if i can simply add the boolean value to the join |
| 22:29.23 | mgeary | that DOES work |
| 22:29.37 | mgeary | but when it gets to the second instance of tableA, it goes wonky |
| 22:30.14 | mindjuju | i love subqueries |
| 22:30.17 | justingiboney | what exactly are you trying to do here |
| 22:30.37 | justingiboney | what is the bool for? |
| 22:30.46 | beandog | sorry mgeary , you lost me. |
| 22:31.17 | mgeary | 'sokay |
| 22:31.19 | mgeary | hard to explain |
| 22:31.27 | mgeary | i'll just do a subquery. it's probably the right thing to do |
| 22:31.28 | mindjuju | bools are for steaks and other yummy meats |
| 22:31.28 | justingiboney | i think the bool needds to be in a where statement |
| 22:31.34 | mgeary | doesn't have to be |
| 22:31.48 | mgeary | doesn't really matter, though |
| 22:31.53 | mgeary | that's not the problem |
| 22:32.05 | mgeary | the problem is that tableA has no join possiblity to tableA |
| 22:32.21 | mgeary | well, i guess i could join primary key to primary key |
| 22:32.31 | justingiboney | what do you want to know from the tables? |
| 22:33.02 | mindjuju | many, this channel is filled with a bunch of stoics! nobody laughed at my bool joke |
| 22:35.14 | mindjuju | et tu, cole_joplin ? |
| 22:36.41 | cole_joplin | yes, this is Cole |
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| 22:47.07 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 22:47.08 | jbot | slaps synic upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 22:48.24 | wps | ~hugh |
| 22:48.24 | jbot | somebody said hugh was a dude who likes epoc32 as well as debian :-), or the one Whitney Houston will always love. one freakishly huge killer whale, suitable for whaleslapping, or the only one who can prevent forest fires. |
| 22:50.34 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 22:50.34 | jbot | decapitates mindjuju conan the destroyer style |
| 22:50.37 | macnewbold | ~run away |
| 22:52.08 | wps | jbot, die |
| 22:52.09 | jbot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 22:53.40 | mgeary | "by Grabthar's Hammer, you shall be AVENGED!!" |
| 22:53.51 | wps | ~grabthar |
| 22:54.02 | mgeary | ~wiki grabthar's hammer |
| 22:54.23 | cole_joplin | Guy, "I don't wanna die" |
| 22:55.41 | cole_joplin | "Activate the Omega 13" |
| 22:56.27 | SunSparc | "Gilligan's Island was just a TV show" "Oh, those poor people." |
| 22:58.36 | beandog | Look, I have one job to do on this ship, its STUPID, but Im going to do it, alright? |
| 22:58.54 | cole_joplin | There were five curtain calls. I was an actor once, damn it. Now look at me. |
| 22:59.45 | beandog | whats that one she says when theyre in that tube |
| 22:59.52 | beandog | Why are there smashing things? Or something |
| 23:00.35 | cole_joplin | Whoever wrote this episode should die! |
| 23:00.50 | cole_joplin | What is this thing? I mean, it serves no useful purpose for there to be a bunch of chompy, crushy things in the middle of a hallway. No, I mean we shouldn't have to do this, it makes no logical sense, why is it here? |
| 23:00.55 | cole_joplin | Well forget it! I'm not doing it! This episode was badly written! |
| 23:00.56 | beandog | Whats my name? I dont have a name! |
| 23:01.09 | beandog | Maybe youre just the plucky comic relief guy? |
| 23:02.19 | beandog | Dont open that door! Is there air? You don't know! |
| 23:02.34 | cole_joplin | I'm going to rest my eyes for a moment. But go on. I am listening... |
| 23:03.14 | mindjuju | that's awesomely too funny |
| 23:04.23 | mindjuju | ~tunafart macnewbold |
| 23:04.24 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to macnewbold, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 23:04.35 | macnewbold | ~retaliate |
| 23:04.43 | beandog | tehres so many good quotes |
| 23:04.53 | macnewbold | ~frenchassault mindjuju |
| 23:04.54 | jbot | ACTION summons the french taunter! mindjuju, I unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters! Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! |
| 23:05.02 | mindjuju | ~macattack macnewbold |
| 23:05.03 | jbot | ACTION uses a paperclip to hotwire macnewbold's car! |
| 23:05.09 | macnewbold | ~dwhit mindjuju |
| 23:05.10 | jbot | ACTION leaps to Sunrise Claw of the Cruel Snake on mindjuju |
| 23:05.14 | mindjuju | ~timattack macnewbold |
| 23:05.15 | jbot | ACTION get's Ash's chainsaw and starts to chase macnewbold! |
| 23:06.19 | mindjuju | whew! 5p! it's movie time! |
| 23:06.45 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:07.43 | mindjuju | let's see, pirates, incredibles, hot fuzz, hunt for red october, lethal weapon 1 - 3, shaolin v Evil Dead |
| 23:07.56 | beandog | hot fuzz? |
| 23:08.21 | mindjuju | you don't know what hot fuzz is? |
| 23:08.27 | beandog | I'm a movie noob. |
| 23:08.47 | mindjuju | hot fuzz is nearly the greatest movie since big trouble in little china |
| 23:09.15 | mindjuju | it funny, a smidge violent, got some major gun scenes, raw |
| 23:09.22 | mindjuju | it's britsh |
| 23:09.29 | beandog | ah |
| 23:09.39 | mindjuju | ~wiki hot fuzz |
| 23:10.28 | mindjuju | yeah, it's a good show, but it's got some language, violence and gratuitous gore towards the end |
| 23:10.52 | mindjuju | hey that's a sexy moniker! |
| 23:11.30 | gratuitousGore | ~gore beandog |
| 23:11.38 | gratuitousGore | cool, i can invent it |
| 23:21.06 | SunSparc | Have an awesome weekend everyone! |
| 23:22.20 | timinator_ | I'm out... later guys |
| 23:22.54 | beandog | no me likey ze gore |
| 23:23.06 | gratuitousGore | bummer |
| 23:23.09 | beandog | my brain is mentally damaged enough as is. |
| 23:24.21 | mgeary | we have a *classic* Care Bears book at our place |
| 23:24.30 | mgeary | check this out-- |
| 23:24.34 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 23:24.38 | beandog | Ive got Bedtime Bear |
| 23:24.39 | beandog | I think |
| 23:24.47 | mgeary | so, Sunshine (or whoever) Bear has a birthday, and he gets a big basket of candy bars |
| 23:24.57 | mgeary | and he's all excited. wahoo, i get to eat all this chocolate |
| 23:25.08 | mgeary | but, uh oh, along comes, you guessed it, Share Bear |
| 23:25.27 | mgeary | and Share Bear is all, "Boy Sunshine Bear, you *could* eat all that candy, but gee, think of how sick you'd get" |
| 23:25.35 | mgeary | "or, you could share it with ME!!!" |
| 23:25.45 | mgeary | and we could go to all of our friends, and share your candy with THEM! |
| 23:25.52 | mgeary | and boy, won't we feel good after that?! |
| 23:25.57 | beandog | heh |
| 23:26.10 | mgeary | "i'm Share Bear. did you want me to help you share your things with everyone?" |
| 23:26.22 | mgeary | stupid bear. get yer own dang candy bars |
| 23:26.28 | mgeary | THEN come talk to me about sharing |
| 23:27.15 | mgeary | heh, but it's a tender topic with me. i'm scarred. when we were kids, we all took turns getting the candy they used to put into boxes of cereal |
| 23:27.36 | mgeary | so, my turn comes along, and i open the box of cereal, and wahoo, there's 5 packages of gum in there! i was elated |
| 23:27.51 | mgeary | turns out, my folks put the extra packages in there, and i had to give one to each sibling |
| 23:28.12 | beandog | heh |
| 23:28.12 | mgeary | did they do that with the *other* kids? noooo, they got to have whatever they found in the box |
| 23:28.24 | beandog | so you have a thing about sharing, now? |
| 23:28.39 | mgeary | ;) |
| 23:28.58 | beandog | Im going to write your parents a letter. |
| 23:30.09 | mgeary | seriously. tell them now i won't share my candy bars with you |
| 23:30.37 | beandog | candy bars are bad for you |
| 23:30.51 | beandog | but only if you don't share them. |
| 23:31.25 | beandog | mgeary: you ever get the standin tall series? |
| 23:31.26 | mgeary | anyway, therapy session is over. i'm outta here |
| 23:31.31 | mgeary | nope |
| 23:33.36 | beandog | g'nite mgeary |
| 23:33.40 | beandog | 'ave a good weekend. |
| 23:34.24 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:34.29 | beandog | gratuitousGore will keep my company |
| 23:34.41 | gratuitousGore | yup, i'll prolly be here til 10p |
| 23:49.11 | *** part/#uphpu cole_joplin (n=Cole@c-67-166-64-239.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
