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00:12.01mindjujuyou still around thebigdog ?
00:12.22thebigdogy
00:12.38PoeticIntensityregarding the headphone discussion, all I gotta say is "Grado".
00:12.55mindjujujust wondering, seeing who all was here
00:12.57mindjujuGrado?
00:13.07thebigdogim heading home though
00:13.08PoeticIntensityhttp://www.gradolabs.com/product_pages/sr225.htm
00:13.17PoeticIntensitybest pair of headphones I've ever put on my head.
00:13.33PoeticIntensityuglier than mud, but perfect in every other way.
00:13.37PoeticIntensity:)
00:13.39mindjujuhmmm
00:13.44mindjujuhow much?
00:13.55PoeticIntensity~$200.00
00:14.08mindjujuwhat does Bass sound like?
00:14.10PoeticIntensitythey breathe, too.... they're totally open.
00:14.16mindjujui'm a breakbeats fan
00:14.16PoeticIntensitybass sounds like it's supposed to sound like.
00:14.26PoeticIntensitythey're audiophile headphones.
00:14.32mindjujuhmmm
00:14.38PoeticIntensityeverything is reproduced as naturally as possible.
00:15.01PoeticIntensityso..... basically... music sounds like it sounded like on the masterer's studio monitors.
00:15.18mindjujuthat would be cool
00:16.16mindjujuDAW would be cool
00:16.17PoeticIntensityif you like "bass", you're probably not gonna like these headphones...
00:16.34PoeticIntensitythey're not bass-blasters
00:16.47PoeticIntensitybut... they can accurately reproduce up to 20HZ.
00:17.12PoeticIntensityI hear in these headphones, everything I hear in my 1000W car Stereo which has 2 10-inch subs.
00:17.27mindjujuheh, sound like some killer speakers
00:17.29PoeticIntensitybut definitely not as accentuated.
00:17.42PoeticIntensityI did a lot of research before I bought em'.
00:17.48PoeticIntensitydid the whole "bose" thing...
00:18.06PoeticIntensityresearched for the best headphones for around $200.00
00:18.23PoeticIntensitywww.headphone.com was a great help.
00:18.49PoeticIntensityanyway... gotta run.
00:18.52PoeticIntensityI'm late already.
00:18.52PoeticIntensitychao
00:20.13mindjujulater
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03:42.10justingiboneygood for you!
03:44.07mindjujumore like lucky me, i thought i was going to go insane
03:44.50justingiboneyi am glad that you haven't
03:44.57mindjuju:)
03:45.28mindjujuglad to hear you figured out the CSS probs
03:47.33justingiboneyya... it made me stronger
03:48.37justingiboneyit seems simple compared to what you are doing
04:19.05justingiboneywell, i am done for tonight... good night
04:20.24mindjujucya
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14:16.06beandogholas
14:16.17herlocomo esta
14:16.52beandogstiff
14:17.05beandogmy muscles hurt
14:17.51herlobeandog: my entire left arm feels like its gonna fall off
14:18.03beandogherlo: whatd you do to it
14:21.22herlobeandog: typed too much methinks
14:21.33herloRSI
14:21.42herlo~dict RSI
14:22.57beandogthas not good.
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15:04.23macnewboldg'day all
15:04.38macnewboldgrease day on friday, wahoo
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15:04.51macnewboldit's a good thing the pie is located close to the emergency room
15:05.09_psychic_?
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15:09.43_psychic_someone get hurt?
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15:19.32mgearymorning
15:20.19beandoghola
15:20.27beandogmgeary: you going to the geek lunch?
15:21.07mgearyprolly not. going from Orem to SLC for lunch means missing ~3 hours of work (i don't usually take a lunch)
15:21.15beandogoh youre in Orem?
15:21.16beandogyah, nevermind.
15:21.17mgearyyeah
15:21.23beandoggood ol Orem.
15:21.25beandogI miss it well.
15:21.27mgearyheh
15:24.15mgearynice. they've got the old Twilight Zone radio shows on iTunes
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15:25.01beandogmmm
15:25.04beandogTwilight Zone
15:25.13beandogDimension X is better.
15:25.18beandogand X Minus One
15:25.29beandogthere is some really good sci-fi old time radio.
15:25.32beandogpublic domain, too.
15:26.29mgearylink?
15:26.39beandogjust google for it, its freeking everywhere
15:26.56beandogmgeary: or just remind me to bring you some next lunch
15:27.15beandogmgeary: or any p2p net.
15:27.20beandogprobably the easiest way now.
15:27.29beandogI used to get all mine on IRC
15:27.59mgearyhttp://www.archive.org/details/OTRR_Dimension_X_Singles
15:28.15mgearynice
15:28.17mgearythanks for the tip
15:28.21beandogyoure welcome
15:31.54PoeticIntensity~melvin beandog
15:31.54jbotACTION pulls beandog underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles
15:32.00PoeticIntensityfor good measure.
15:32.06PoeticIntensitymeasure of what?
15:32.16PoeticIntensitylength of underwear, of course.
15:34.39mgeary~commando PoeticIntensity
15:34.47mgeary~melvinoops PoeticIntensity
15:34.48jbotACTION reaches into PoeticIntensity's pants to grab the waistband of PoeticIntensity's Fruit of the Looms, but quickly withdraws it's hand, "ugh, hey everyone PoeticIntensity is going commando today!"
15:34.58mgearythere we go
15:41.11PoeticIntensityheh....
15:58.22timinatormacnewbold: great to have you back
16:09.22macnewboldgreat to be back
16:28.21beandogoh man
16:28.24beandogWith Folded Hands
16:28.29beandogmgeary: if you can find that episode, that one rawks.
16:38.10PoeticIntensityis "rawks" the same as "reeks"?
16:38.39beandogno
16:38.42beandogrocks
16:40.00PoeticIntensitysorry.....
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16:51.35mindjujuhey macnewbold !
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17:02.47thebigdogeveryone needs more music
17:03.54thebigdogPoeticIntensity, mp3s sounded good
17:04.07thebigdogany software you like to use when doing music
17:04.50beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwnsQpcNvpE
17:04.52beandogthat is freaking great.
17:04.55beandogiphone shuffle
17:05.43PoeticIntensitythebigdog, thanks, man!
17:06.00PoeticIntensityme?  software?
17:06.08thebigdogy
17:06.11PoeticIntensityoh yeah...  ardour is the bomb-diggity.
17:06.15PoeticIntensitywww.ardour.org
17:06.22PoeticIntensityand muse for MIDI.
17:06.27PoeticIntensityjamin for mastering
17:06.43PoeticIntensityaudacity for individual wav editing.
17:07.16thebigdogdo you use anything for beats
17:07.19PoeticIntensityand thank heavens for ladspa plugins
17:07.24PoeticIntensityI'm a drummer.
17:07.32PoeticIntensityI make my own beats... ;-)
17:07.39thebigdoglol oh yea
17:07.50PoeticIntensitybut... no.  For those songs, I used a Roland RS-9 keyboard for pretty much everything.
17:07.52thebigdogwhat about everything else
17:08.00thebigdogoh ok
17:08.13PoeticIntensityhowever... the www.enzign.com stuff was all done acoustically.
17:08.20PoeticIntensitylive drums, guitars, etc...
17:09.38PoeticIntensityI use a audioteknica condenser mic for my vocals.
17:09.45PoeticIntensitya = an
17:10.15PoeticIntensityand a grundle of Shure mics for drums / instruments.
17:10.32PoeticIntensityprobably more info than ya wanted....
17:10.38thebigdogits all good
17:10.40PoeticIntensitybut... I'm just glad that ya liked the music!
17:10.46PoeticIntensitythanks for listening.
17:10.52thebigdognp
17:11.13thebigdogits nice to hear things fresh and not music industry dumbed up stuff
17:11.25thebigdoga lot of new bands all sound the same to me
17:12.17PoeticIntensityhttp://ldscompanion.org/music/7.mp3
17:12.20PoeticIntensityand
17:12.32PoeticIntensityhttp://ldscompanion.org/music/21.mp3
17:12.34PoeticIntensityand
17:12.51PoeticIntensityhttp://www.enzign.com/music/Such_Is_Life_New.mp3
17:12.56PoeticIntensitythere ya go, _psychic_
17:12.57wpsanyone noticing bag performance on Teir Four's network?
17:13.08wpsor any other local backbones this morning?
17:13.27_psychic_PoeticIntensity: thanks
17:13.46wpss/bag/bad/
17:13.46PoeticIntensityheh... thank me after you're done torturing your ears... ;-)
17:14.04_psychic_we'll see
17:14.11_psychic_s/see/hear/g
17:14.15PoeticIntensitybut do let me know what ya think, if you'd be so kind.
17:14.27_psychic_what part of this did you do?
17:14.30PoeticIntensityall of it.
17:14.39PoeticIntensityexcept the EnZign stuff.
17:14.50PoeticIntensityfor that one, I did drums, back-up vocals, and 100% production.
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18:10.52tierramindjuju: do I just need to save this article as a Draft?
18:15.24wpsyou writing an article for the website, tierra?
18:15.33tierrayeah
18:15.38wpsyeah, save as a draft
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18:16.11tierradone
18:27.45wpstierra, you are Bryan?
18:28.38tierrayeah
18:28.42wpspublished
18:28.43wpswahoo
18:28.52tierra:)
18:29.04wpsthanks for the article!
18:29.19tierraI couldn't figure out why it was displaying "defcon 15 report" rather than "DefCon 15 Report" in the draft preview....
18:29.22tierraheh
18:29.57wpshmm…  not sure
18:30.14tierradoesn't matter so long as the published version doesn't do it
18:34.20tierraoh, weird, it does that with all articles on their comments pages
18:42.15wpsI'm guessing it's in the styling
18:42.18wpsI'll check
18:50.47mindjujuthat's awesome!  thx tierra!
18:52.27wpsquestion
18:52.33wpsmy server is running slow as mud
18:52.45wpsbut when I look at the processes, there isn't anything more going on than usual
18:53.07tierrawhat's 'vmstat' output look like?
18:54.04wpsand what's weird is that it is and isn't consistent… meaning that certain things are still snappy but others are dog slow… but the ones that are snappy remain snappy each time I try and and the slow ones remain slow
18:54.39wpsprocs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- --system-- ----cpu----
18:54.39wps<PROTECTED>
18:54.40wps<PROTECTED>
18:54.47wpshmm…  that didn't work
18:54.50tierraif you run 'vmstat 1' and look through the numbers while you're doing this, it should help indicate if processes are waiting on I/O
18:56.29wpshttp://pastebin.ca/650210
18:57.16wpscan you help be interpret that?
18:57.19wpswhat does that tell me?
18:58.11tierrawell, it doesn't say much, looks normal... like I said, you may need to run "vmstat 1" and watch it's output for a bit while performing those actions where it slows down to see any kind of pattern
18:58.43tierrathis is mostly helpful for finding out if it's disk i/o bound delays...
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18:59.33tierraotherwise, you have something else... and you mentioned you already looked at CPI
18:59.35tierra*CPU
19:01.47tierrathe numbers that should matter in this case are 'r', 'b', and 'wa'
19:02.17tierrawell, r, and wa mostly
19:02.25wpsand what does those represent?
19:02.39tierrawa: Time spent waiting for IO
19:02.47tierrar: The number of processes waiting for run time.
19:04.34wpshere's more:
19:04.35wpshttp://pastebin.ca/650219
19:04.41tierraif your bi/bo and/or in/cs are hitting upper bounds where it seems to reach a max, and not reach higher despite extra load, and things start to slow down more, that would indicate you're hitting a performance max on your hardware, and you'd want to double check things like your drive DMA modes, etc...
19:05.25wpsas I try a few things, I am getting a few 1's under wa and an occasional 1 and 4 under r
19:05.38tierrathat's a lot of 'in' (Blocks received from a block device (blocks/s).)
19:06.16tierrathat's what I mean by reaching a max...
19:06.26tierrathe block device input is pretty high
19:06.49wpswould I see something like this if one of the drives in my array had failed?
19:06.54tierrathough I can't honestly say what might be using it
19:08.13tierraas I haven't worked with RAIDs much, I'm not going to be too helpful here
19:08.21tierraI guess it's possible
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19:29.45thebigdogwps what are you wondering about with raids?
19:29.59wpsjust trying to figure out what's wrong with my server
19:30.19wpsand stabbing in the dark
19:30.36thebigdogi would use vmstat and top
19:30.45thebigdogsee what processes are using resources
19:30.47wpsbeen trying that
19:31.04wpstop shows nothing out of the ordinary and I don't know how to interpret vmstat
19:31.19thebigdoghttp://man.he.net/?topic=vmstat&section=all
19:31.28wpstierra told me which columns to look at and that high numbers are bad, but I don't know in relation to what
19:31.36thebigdogbig thing is checking i/o
19:32.17thebigdogyou can see it in top too
19:32.34thebigdogunder top there is the S field
19:32.43thebigdogif you see a lot of Ds then you are blocking
19:32.53thebigdogmucho disk i/o
19:33.08wpswhat does blocking mean?
19:33.24thebigdogmeans disks are waiting for time
19:33.52wpsi/o stands for in/out, right?
19:33.59thebigdogeyah
19:34.10wpsi/o isn't bad in of itself, right? that just standards for read/write?
19:34.14wpsa disk doing what a disk does?
19:34.27thebigdogreally depends
19:34.40wpsthe problem is when there is inefficient or the inability to i/o?
19:34.42thebigdogif you are paging tons then you have issues
19:35.03thebigdogyou could be over working the drives...if are doing too much
19:35.33thebigdogswapping a lot really sucks
19:35.37wpsmy 'S' column in top shows all 'S's except for an occasional 'R'
19:35.59wpswhat do those two letters stand for?
19:36.02thebigdogthen it is sleeping
19:36.12PoeticIntensitysleeping and running
19:36.25thebigdoghe state is
19:36.25thebigdog<PROTECTED>
19:36.25thebigdog<PROTECTED>
19:36.25thebigdog<PROTECTED>
19:36.49wpsthat is referring to the process though, right?
19:36.52wpsnot the disk i/o?
19:37.36thebigdogit is the state of the task
19:37.41thebigdogmeaning process
19:38.01thebigdogmeaning it is waiting for some i/o
19:39.12thebigdogthe big thing in trouble shooting is isolating the processes that are the bottleneck
19:39.18thebigdogsee why they are the bottleneck
19:39.21thebigdogthen address it
19:39.39thebigdogfor example, i have huge amount of disk i/o with nfs
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19:39.54thebigdogso to help with that i had to move everything to a faster network
19:40.25thebigdogcause with 10k scsi i should not have issues
19:40.29wpsI'm also wondering if it's actually not my server and if it's the pipes to the data center
19:40.53wpsa ping produces 11% packet loss
19:40.53thebigdogthen you would see something with network latency
19:41.03thebigdogthat could be an issue
19:41.11thebigdogand how your kernel is setup for the network
19:41.44thebigdogmeaning you could have high values for connection timeout and closes
19:43.07thebigdogthat is where you can use netstat
19:44.42mgearyping cole_joplin
19:57.57cole_joplinyes
19:58.05cole_joplinsorry on phone
20:11.30PoeticIntensityhttp://www.100mb.nl/
20:11.37PoeticIntensitypretty amazing ascii art....
20:36.19orsonjnot quite as amazing as you think. The Gimp has an html export. other programs do it a bit better though.
20:49.52PoeticIntensityyeah... but using the Linux kernel source code?
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21:04.22thebigdogsome people have to much free time
21:04.34herlos/to/too
21:08.32thebigdogty herlo
21:08.54_psychic_PoeticIntensity: you could do that with any text
21:10.27herlothebigdog: :)
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21:10.45PoeticIntensitycool.
21:11.36wpstierra: style fixed
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21:14.25wpsI'm about to wash my hands of computers
21:14.29wps… and go do something else
21:14.30wps:)
21:14.37_psychic_IE problems?
21:14.40wpsha ha ha
21:14.46wpsno, not today
21:14.48wpsbut good guess
21:14.54wpsI think I'd rather be a farmer
21:14.55_psychic_I speak from experience :)
21:14.58_psychic_hehe
21:15.35thebigdogi just want to play wow all day
21:15.57wpsnot me
21:16.00wpsI want to sleep all day
21:16.02_psychic_At the end of a day, a man who does as he pleases is seldom pleased with what he does.
21:16.27thebigdogi want to be a porn star then
21:16.57_psychic_difficult !== morally wrong
21:17.12wpsdoes anyone else have the problem that I have that if there are some things out of whack that are stressing you out, you become paralyzed until it is fixed and can't get anything done?
21:17.28thebigdogno
21:17.33_psychic_depends on what's out of whack
21:17.35thebigdogi always tend to sleep them off
21:17.41wpsmy life's challenge
21:18.53_psychic_If it's out of my control, I'm getting better at not stressing as much
21:19.11wpsno, it's not the job
21:19.14wpsit's the guilt
21:19.28_psychic_?
21:19.29wpsI have gotten very little done today because I have been stressed about non work things
21:19.36_psychic_bummer :(
21:19.55thebigdogso sorry panda bear!
21:20.36PoeticIntensitygotta allow yourself to be human, wps ...
21:20.53wpsyeah
21:21.02wpsoh
21:21.04wpsI want ice cream
21:21.07thebigdogoh ice cream sounds good
21:21.14wpsice cream always sounds good
21:21.16thebigdogi had an oreo shake today that was good
21:21.17PoeticIntensitylet's all go!
21:21.18PoeticIntensitywoot!
21:21.20PoeticIntensityoooooohhh.
21:21.22PoeticIntensityoreo shake...
21:21.32thebigdogtoo bad we dont have ice cream day
21:21.32PoeticIntensitymaybe I'll hit DQ
21:21.38thebigdogdq rocks
21:21.53thebigdogblizzards are good with the family
21:22.27thebigdogman i swear no one works here
21:22.35thebigdogthey all leave at lunch time
21:24.19_psychic_I think your WoW playing has subconsciously prompted you to like blizzards
21:24.30thebigdogyes
21:35.21beandogI'm here.
21:35.34beandogand the closest DQ is in West Jordan.
21:35.34beandog:C
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22:08.35beandogloot?
22:08.42thebigdognice
22:09.23PoeticIntensityinstead of DQ, I went for some Ben and Jerry's
22:09.34thebigdogwhich flavor?
22:09.36PoeticIntensityer....
22:09.38PoeticIntensityhm...
22:09.43PoeticIntensityI thought it was ben 'n' Jerrys...
22:09.49PoeticIntensityit's Blue Bunny... Bunny Tracks..
22:09.52PoeticIntensitystill quite yummy.
22:09.52PoeticIntensity:)
22:10.20PoeticIntensitythose bastages put their ice cream in the same tub as B n J's.
22:10.29PoeticIntensityserves me right for not lookin'.
22:10.38PoeticIntensityfrozen solid, though.
22:10.39PoeticIntensity:-(
22:12.51beandogBen and Jerrys?
22:12.53beandogHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
22:18.21timinatorBRB
22:20.30thebigdogi think he went home
22:20.42thebigdoganyone here do muay thai?
22:21.03_psychic_"muay thai" ?
22:21.14thebigdogboxing
22:21.21thebigdogmuay thai boxing
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22:23.13timinatorback
22:23.21timinatortold ya I'd be back
22:23.23timinator:)
22:24.48bradymanyone know how to use CSS in a mediawiki article?
22:30.03thebigdogtiminator, i didnt believe ya
22:30.37timinatorI knew you wouldn't
22:30.38timinatorLOL
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22:47.33mgearywhat a disappointment ;)
22:47.55_psychic_haha
22:47.58_psychic_what'd you expect?!
22:48.21mgearytattoos and a shaved head, of course
22:48.26_psychic_I forgot to wear my lazur gunz arms today, sorry.
22:48.51_psychic_I think you're about the 4th person in here that I've met.
22:49.03mgearyyou've never made it to a lunch?
22:49.11_psychic_nor meeting
22:49.29_psychic_You guys always have them in Salt Lake somewheres
22:49.37mgearyindeed
22:49.40_psychic_i can't often justify a 2.5 hour lunhc
22:49.42_psychic_*lunch
22:49.54mgearyi think we oughta have informal Orem lunches. there's several of us around here
22:50.15mgearyjust a ducking into Taco Bell or such
22:50.27mgeary'cause i know how PoeticIntensity likes Taco Bell
22:51.14beandogweve never had it in slc
22:51.16beandogthat I know of.
22:51.20beandognot recently at leas.t
22:51.54PoeticIntensityDel Taco is okay, but last time I had Taco Bell, was literally years ago.
22:52.19PoeticIntensityand yeah... I'd love to do Utah Valley lunches every now and then.
22:52.23PoeticIntensitythat'd be great.
22:52.26_psychic_yay for SUPHPU
22:52.32beandogfork!
22:53.43mgearyfor the record--
22:54.08wpsha ha ha
22:54.11mgearyi never saw anything that made me not want to eat there
22:54.15wpsyou don't want to know what I was doing in 86
22:54.19mgearyheh
22:54.26mgearypooping your pants, no doubt
22:54.27PoeticIntensityheh.... it's not what I *see*... it's what I *taste*
22:54.29wpsyup
22:54.38wpsI was seven years old
22:54.43wps:)
22:54.57mgearyheh
22:55.20mgearygranted, that was back in the days when you had adults working FT at Taco Bell
22:55.33mgearyso the atmosphere was actually professional
22:55.50mgearyi was the first teenager they'd hired
22:56.28beandogand it all went downhill from there?
22:56.34beandog:)
22:56.49mgearyyeah
22:57.05beandogI only lasted 2 weeks at a fast food place.
22:57.14beandogI about died.
23:00.00_psychic_I don't want to work any place that forces how I dress
23:00.09_psychic_whether its fast food or the army
23:14.35timinatortake that thebigdog
23:14.38timinatorlater guys
23:14.50thebigdog~flip timinator
23:14.50jbotACTION gives timinator the .|.. ..|.
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