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| 14:54.08 | mgeary | been reading the thread on Smarty on the list... |
| 14:54.23 | mgeary | i believe that Jennifer explains clearly and effectively my reasons for using Smarty |
| 14:54.26 | mgeary | Jennifer++ |
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| 15:32.32 | SunSparc | Good Morning everyone! |
| 15:37.08 | orsonj | morning! |
| 15:39.17 | PoeticIntensity | mo'nin' |
| 15:44.06 | mgeary | ohh, that's a goodun |
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| 16:39.33 | PoeticIntensity | http://onepartcode.com/main/misc/ipod_betrayal.html |
| 16:39.36 | PoeticIntensity | awwwww yeah! |
| 16:47.33 | orsonj | and that was 3 1/2 years ago |
| 16:48.56 | PoeticIntensity | yup... |
| 16:49.02 | PoeticIntensity | he wrote about that article a couple of days ago... |
| 16:49.45 | PoeticIntensity | and says he now owns an ipod and a couple of mac computers, but still believes every word of what he wrote 3 1/2 years ago. :) |
| 16:50.13 | thebigdog | rockbox on ipod is where it is at |
| 16:50.24 | PoeticIntensity | bah... .just buy an X5 |
| 16:50.27 | PoeticIntensity | iaudio. |
| 16:50.42 | thebigdog | yeah if you are buying a new one |
| 16:50.48 | PoeticIntensity | ah, yes. |
| 16:50.49 | thebigdog | im saying if you have one already |
| 16:50.49 | PoeticIntensity | true. |
| 16:50.51 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 16:51.02 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, is right, yet again. |
| 16:52.39 | SunSparc | Apple++ |
| 16:52.42 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:52.44 | thebigdog | i would get an a2 though PoeticIntensity |
| 16:52.52 | PoeticIntensity | oh? |
| 16:53.30 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, iaudio a2 |
| 16:53.36 | thebigdog | those are really nice |
| 16:53.36 | PoeticIntensity | lookin' at it now. |
| 16:54.38 | orsonj | so, this X5, can you encode movies for it using linux? |
| 16:55.56 | PoeticIntensity | I have. |
| 16:55.59 | PoeticIntensity | using mencoder. |
| 16:56.20 | PoeticIntensity | although, quite honestly, the quality of the movies suck. |
| 16:56.27 | PoeticIntensity | I didn't buy the X5 for video.... |
| 16:56.31 | PoeticIntensity | I'm not interested in video at all.. |
| 16:56.41 | PoeticIntensity | I just needed something to play my music in the way *I* wanted it to be played. |
| 16:57.01 | PoeticIntensity | 60GB, and the audio format support is pretty much better than anything on the market. |
| 16:57.06 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, the A2 looks amazing. |
| 16:57.08 | PoeticIntensity | BTW. |
| 16:59.12 | thebigdog | same here |
| 16:59.31 | thebigdog | i use ogg and just want to play my music and see movies in divx or any other format i have |
| 17:03.46 | orsonj | I have a samsung yp-t8 and it does ogg audio. which is why I got it. It had a little video thing that worked pretty well given the small screen. I got a new laptop with vista, and the video encoder doesn't work on vista. |
| 17:04.40 | orsonj | I prefer linux because of application stability. If I am able to do something, then I upgrade the OS a couple times, I will still be able to do it. Probably better too. |
| 17:08.30 | PoeticIntensity | I personally think Vista is nothing more than a glorified virus. :) |
| 17:08.58 | PoeticIntensity | talking to some of my windows-zealot friends... Even they say that Vista isn't much more than XP with a facelift. |
| 17:09.17 | PoeticIntensity | and an annoying new security "feature". |
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| 17:13.22 | mgeary | ~rlart |
| 17:13.22 | jbot | slaps a compatible dib on synic's head |
| 17:15.06 | PoeticIntensity | ugh..... Word to the wise... Don't have peanuts for breakfast. |
| 17:15.42 | SunSparc | What about peanut butter? |
| 17:16.06 | PoeticIntensity | eh... not bad. |
| 17:16.17 | PoeticIntensity | I just had about 3 handfuls of peanuts... |
| 17:16.21 | PoeticIntensity | not feeling too good right about now. |
| 17:16.21 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 17:16.55 | PoeticIntensity | So... |
| 17:16.56 | PoeticIntensity | question: |
| 17:17.03 | PoeticIntensity | What RSS aggregators do ya'll use? |
| 17:17.06 | PoeticIntensity | or recommend? |
| 17:18.06 | wps | NetNewsWire Lite |
| 17:20.57 | fungus | Linux: Liferea Mac: Vienna Windows: ... go to hell! |
| 17:21.10 | fungus | Or web based, Google Reader |
| 17:21.39 | PoeticIntensity | thanks wps and fungus... |
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| 17:38.00 | timinator | another vote for NetNewsWire Lite |
| 17:38.47 | timinator | fungus: LOL on go to hell!! |
| 17:39.34 | thebigdog | rssowl is nice if you are on multiple os's |
| 17:39.56 | thebigdog | liferea++ is great |
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| 18:03.05 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you there? |
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| 19:05.23 | wps | this is what I want for my birthday: http://www.myminigolf.com/ |
| 19:05.27 | wps | more pics: myminigolf.jpg |
| 19:19.13 | orsonj | cool! |
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| 19:49.25 | mindjuju | @ thebigdog , when GWAR and WoW meet --> http://www.gameriot.com/news/4119/BlizzCon-Footage-Costume-Contest/ |
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| 20:00.11 | justingiboney | does IE6 not respect margins when dealing with floats? |
| 20:06.35 | thebigdog | mindjuju, yeah they are kinda funny when they do costumes |
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| 20:12.53 | mindjuju | justingiboney - IE 6 had big issues with CSS in general, is this what you were having problems wiht? http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/doubled-margin.html |
| 20:17.37 | justingiboney | no i think the problem is with this css - #content {margin:0 200px;} |
| 20:17.48 | justingiboney | this is giving me a 200px margin on both sides |
| 20:18.00 | justingiboney | except when the right column runs out of content |
| 20:18.15 | justingiboney | then the middle column runs into the right hand side |
| 20:22.25 | justingiboney | will changing the css to - #content {margin: 0 200px 0 200px;} fix it? |
| 20:23.37 | SunSparc_ | The two are identical in practice. |
| 20:24.38 | mindjuju | sunsparc beat me to it, was trying to find a page to explain CSS shorthand http://www.456bereastreet.com/archive/200502/efficient_css_with_shorthand_properties/ |
| 20:25.03 | SunSparc | What are you trying to do Justin? |
| 20:25.04 | mindjuju | the category box dimensions near the top explains well what's going on with those nums |
| 20:26.03 | mindjuju | Well, Justin is trying to adapt a template he found to his needs |
| 20:26.28 | mindjuju | the prob is that the template is using CSS to create a 3 col page where the center col is dynamic width |
| 20:27.36 | mindjuju | curiously structured CSS, i looked at it for a while the other day cause i liked the direction the CSS coder was taking things, but never got to finish pulling everything apart |
| 20:27.57 | SunSparc | Sure |
| 20:28.07 | justingiboney | sorry |
| 20:28.11 | justingiboney | i was reading something else |
| 20:28.37 | justingiboney | http://www.forodeherbales.com/edge/search.php?searchstring=bob |
| 20:30.35 | mindjuju | SunSparc , the original code is here http://andreasviklund.com/templates/ |
| 20:30.39 | mindjuju | bottom template |
| 20:30.58 | justingiboney | yes, i should have noted that I have changed a few things |
| 20:34.00 | SunSparc | So you want the main (middle) section to not fill up the space on the right if there is no column over there? |
| 20:34.19 | justingiboney | i could try putting the content area inside the right column.... drop the left margin on the content and add it to the right column |
| 20:34.21 | justingiboney | yes |
| 20:34.28 | justingiboney | yes to SunSparc |
| 20:35.19 | SunSparc | What would there be in place of the right column if there is no content? |
| 20:35.26 | SunSparc | just white space? |
| 20:36.11 | justingiboney | for now, yes... unless I could use php to figure out the height and add advertisements, etc |
| 20:37.04 | SunSparc | Can you just leave an empty DIV over there and allow it to keep the width? |
| 20:37.25 | justingiboney | .... as long as it resizes with the content |
| 20:37.28 | SunSparc | IE probably does not like that idea. |
| 20:37.36 | justingiboney | that's what I was thinking |
| 20:37.41 | SunSparc | An blank image or something |
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| 20:38.54 | justingiboney | the problem is having it run down the rest of the page.... unless I create an image 500px high and use css to hide the overflow.... but IE probably doesn't like that either |
| 20:39.19 | SunSparc | If your center section is not going to have a width specified or if you are going to specify 100% then it will take up the space if nothing is there, as you have seen, that is just how it is. |
| 20:39.36 | SunSparc | Having the right column run down the rest of the page? |
| 20:39.53 | justingiboney | but it also has a 200px right margin, which should stop all content before 200 pxs to the right |
| 20:42.57 | SunSparc | Is the middle section not one solid piece? |
| 20:43.24 | SunSparc | Perhaps I am missing the problem. |
| 20:43.32 | justingiboney | it contains a series of floated divs inside the #content div |
| 20:44.25 | justingiboney | do you have IE6? |
| 20:45.24 | SunSparc | So it should have have any problem with staying out of the right column no matter how high the right column content is, as long as both the #content column and right column are peers (inline). |
| 20:48.37 | justingiboney | it should or shouldn't |
| 20:48.39 | justingiboney | ? |
| 20:48.59 | SunSparc | Sorry, it should not. |
| 20:49.06 | SunSparc | Even in IE |
| 20:50.12 | justingiboney | ya it shouldn't but it does |
| 20:50.26 | justingiboney | which is why I asked if IE has a problem with margins |
| 20:51.17 | SunSparc | IE does, because of the "box model". |
| 20:51.29 | SunSparc | It handles widths differently |
| 20:51.44 | SunSparc | But that is only for blocks that have widths specified. |
| 20:54.04 | justingiboney | i wish i could just tell people that they are losers if they are using IE, but I don't think that will go over well |
| 20:54.11 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:54.17 | SunSparc | That would be nice. |
| 20:58.54 | justingiboney | could I write some php to extend the right div, even after the right div has already been echoed? |
| 21:10.48 | justingiboney | no that wouldn't work |
| 21:29.58 | Smarty | Ouch, that smarts! |
| 21:30.17 | justingiboney | are there any good websites for checking my website on different browsers? |
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| 21:30.47 | SunSparc | _psychic_: clever |
| 21:30.50 | _psychic_ | browsercam |
| 21:30.56 | _psychic_ | oh it'd save soooo much time |
| 21:31.06 | justingiboney | forgot to add ... "free" |
| 21:31.08 | _psychic_ | you do something like this |
| 21:31.27 | justingiboney | stabbing people? =) |
| 21:31.40 | _psychic_ | <<[[ pretty ]]>> and it does a contact form with flowers and stuff surrounding it |
| 21:32.02 | SunSparc | Could you pass parameters to it? |
| 21:32.22 | _psychic_ | nope |
| 21:32.27 | _psychic_ | that'd be |
| 21:32.53 | _psychic_ | <[[ pretty string: stuff string: flower-type boolean: unicorns ]]>> |
| 21:32.57 | _psychic_ | simple |
| 21:34.10 | SunSparc | pretty simple |
| 21:34.44 | SunSparc | PHP is already a templating system though. |
| 21:35.00 | beandog | unicorns? |
| 21:35.09 | SunSparc | unicorns++ |
| 21:35.32 | SunSparc | Ligers are pretty much my favorite animal. |
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| 21:50.15 | mindjuju | yo SunSparc |
| 21:50.35 | SunSparc | Yes? |
| 21:50.51 | mindjuju | hey, do you live in Utah County or SL County? |
| 21:51.11 | SunSparc | Happy Valley |
| 21:51.38 | thebigdog | crappy valle |
| 21:53.55 | mindjuju | ugh! I HATE FLASH MEDIA SERVER!!!!! |
| 21:53.59 | mindjuju | !!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:54.12 | _psychic_ | red5! *chough* |
| 21:54.22 | _psychic_ | what are you using FMS for? |
| 21:54.26 | mindjuju | i wanted to do red5, but its going to take longer to setup than i have time |
| 21:54.32 | mindjuju | we WILL be migrating over to red5 |
| 21:54.46 | mindjuju | streaming flv vids |
| 21:54.55 | mindjuju | not progressive |
| 21:55.40 | mindjuju | what i really need to do is calm down, read all the manuals and go forward, but I just under so much time pressure to get this darn thing launched |
| 21:59.15 | mindjuju | anybody here eaten at the pie? |
| 22:00.07 | drip | both at the U and at WSU |
| 22:00.31 | drip | very tasty |
| 22:00.45 | mindjuju | drip , which has better atmosphere ? |
| 22:01.02 | drip | depends on what kind of atmosphere you want. |
| 22:01.20 | drip | the one at the U is basically in a basement but is a cool place.. |
| 22:01.35 | drip | the one in Ogden is more open and a building at ground level with outdoor patio |
| 22:02.02 | drip | when I think of the pie I have to think of the one in SLC since it was the original. |
| 22:02.20 | mindjuju | the slc one, is that the one at the U? |
| 22:02.44 | drip | yep |
| 22:03.19 | mindjuju | i'm thinking about doing Geek LUnch there and sending out emai lhere shortly. |
| 22:03.37 | mindjuju | i wonder if it is fungus friendly? |
| 22:03.57 | drip | also a difference is room for many people. |
| 22:04.08 | drip | the ogden one would have more space for a big group. |
| 22:04.22 | drip | you might call to see how big of a group they can do down at the U pie. |
| 22:05.17 | mindjuju | this Geek Lunch is suppose to be in SLC, next one is suppose to be North Geek Lunch (provided thebigdog and/or timinator can go) |
| 22:05.26 | drip | ..and me |
| 22:05.27 | mindjuju | drip, your up there too, aren't you? |
| 22:05.28 | drip | =) |
| 22:05.33 | mindjuju | yeah, i just remembered |
| 22:05.39 | drip | yeah, I work w/ thebigdog |
| 22:05.48 | timinator | I'll try to make it... when is it? |
| 22:06.13 | mindjuju | well, September Geek Lunch is North Geek Lunch |
| 22:06.14 | drip | I was in SLC up until about April |
| 22:06.38 | mindjuju | we could do August at the Pie, and Septemeber at the Pie |
| 22:06.39 | timinator | I'll try to be there |
| 22:06.43 | mindjuju | wouldn't hurt my feelings |
| 22:07.34 | mindjuju | _psychic_ what do you think about The Pie for Geek Lunch? |
| 22:09.08 | mindjuju | beandog, bradym, eco, herlo , orsonj, PoeticIntensity, synic, tierra, Black_Chaos, cyco|w, jnbek, josephscott, SunSparc, xilch|w, wps -- What do ya'll think about "The Pie" at University of Utah for Geek Lunch this Friday? |
| 22:09.26 | synic | sounds good. |
| 22:09.33 | PoeticIntensity | hrmm.... |
| 22:09.34 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: where is that? |
| 22:09.39 | bradym | i'd love to, but i live in Cali now :) |
| 22:09.40 | PoeticIntensity | that's quite a drive for me. |
| 22:09.45 | synic | we can get all beered up too. |
| 22:09.50 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:09.57 | synic | ;-) |
| 22:10.00 | _psychic_ | I don't usually go, so my opinion probably isn't that important :) |
| 22:10.27 | PoeticIntensity | I think my limit for lunches is 7200 South.... :-\ |
| 22:10.27 | mindjuju | _psychic_ its at 1320 E 200 S |
| 22:10.35 | beandog | mindjuju: bueno |
| 22:10.45 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: I'm in Orem |
| 22:10.48 | josephscott | I've never been, might consider it though |
| 22:10.53 | drip | it's right off the west side of the U campus |
| 22:11.06 | josephscott | bradym: what part of California? I just moved from there last month |
| 22:11.19 | beandog | mindjuju: doyou know what time? 1p? |
| 22:11.24 | bradym | josephscott: I'm in San Mateo, bout 30 mins south of San Fran |
| 22:11.27 | mindjuju | 1p sounds good |
| 22:11.32 | mindjuju | does one 1p sound good to everybody? |
| 22:11.49 | josephscott | bradym: ahh, the bay. I was in Sacramento |
| 22:11.56 | mindjuju | synic - 1p sound good to you? |
| 22:12.26 | bradym | josephscott: too hot out there for me, i was in davis this weekend and about roasted. i love the weather here in the bay :) |
| 22:13.04 | mindjuju | drip -- can completely understand. I'll post info for next month for the northern members here shortly |
| 22:13.05 | josephscott | bradym: yep, doesn't usually warm up to much in the bay area. But the cost of living is nuts |
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| 22:14.30 | bradym | josephscott: yeah, i got pretty lucky.. the place i'm renting is way cheaper than it should be, a place down the street that was open when i was looking for housing was about 400 more than what i'm paying |
| 22:15.15 | josephscott | housing prices in the bay area are insane |
| 22:16.35 | josephscott | how well are the uphpu meetings attended? |
| 22:17.13 | mindjuju | Last meet we had 15 ~ 20 |
| 22:17.18 | mindjuju | i'll have to look it up |
| 22:17.35 | mindjuju | it was Cole's dynamic PDF creation ala PHP |
| 22:17.41 | mindjuju | way good |
| 22:18.27 | josephscott | cool, I seeing if I can make the meeting this month. |
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| 22:18.43 | mindjuju | awesome! |
| 22:19.17 | josephscott | I was trying last month, but was flying to San Francisco the afternoon of the meeting |
| 22:19.36 | bradym | one of these days i'm gonna post something about using php to fill in pdf forms without having to install the sdk from adobe.. been meaning to do that since i saw the topic for that last meeting.. |
| 22:20.25 | mindjuju | utah_dave was interested in that |
| 22:20.35 | mindjuju | php to fill out forms, that is |
| 22:21.13 | bradym | it's not too bad, the key to the way i do it is having pdftk installed on your server |
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| 22:23.04 | mindjuju | hey cole |
| 22:24.05 | mindjuju | we were just talking about your presentation on dynamic pdf creation |
| 22:24.15 | timinator | yawn |
| 22:25.41 | timinator | a sombrero?!?! |
| 22:26.16 | timinator | what's this for? |
| 22:26.19 | mindjuju | for sleeping |
| 22:26.31 | mindjuju | sit down under a tree, tip it over your eyes and snooze a bit |
| 22:27.02 | timinator | oh, thx |
| 22:46.29 | timinator | ~seen macnewbold |
| 22:46.32 | jbot | macnewbold <n=mac@cg.dsl.xmission.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #flyspray, 5d 6h 48m 12s ago, saying: 'perhaps threatening to abandon it for lack of help would do the trick?'. |
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| 23:03.36 | thebigdog | whatz up with your job? |
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| 23:18.49 | beandog | eh |
| 23:18.49 | beandog | whose |
| 23:19.36 | thebigdog | yours beandog |
| 23:20.42 | beandog | uh |
| 23:20.47 | beandog | nothing? |
| 23:21.01 | beandog | we dont use Gentoo enough |
| 23:21.04 | beandog | I should revolt. |
| 23:23.24 | PoeticIntensity | hear hear! |
| 23:25.15 | thebigdog | i dont use it enough @ work either |
| 23:25.19 | thebigdog | too much redhat |
| 23:25.27 | thebigdog | ping jsmith |
| 23:33.27 | timinator | I'm out ladies.... later |
| 23:33.39 | beandog | ladies? |
| 23:34.05 | beandog | I wonder how long a fruit roll-up is good for. |
| 23:35.03 | mindjuju | fruit roll-up? |
| 23:35.06 | mindjuju | it's dehydrated |
| 23:35.17 | mindjuju | so technically as long as you find enjoyment in eating it |
| 23:35.19 | beandog | well I think its been sitting my cupboard for at least a year. |
| 23:35.21 | mindjuju | AFAIK |
| 23:36.03 | mindjuju | by that i mean, i think it won't kill you if you waited several years, though the taste and nutritional value go down after a year |
| 23:36.13 | beandog | oh okay |
| 23:36.17 | beandog | Ill just throw it away |
| 23:38.27 | beandog | Ive got some scooby doo snacks |
| 23:38.35 | beandog | though I really shouldnt eat more sugar |
| 23:39.29 | beandog | Ooh |
| 23:39.32 | beandog | insta++ |
| 23:41.15 | mindjuju | ooooo, cool! They are coming back out with Hormel Top |
| 23:41.19 | mindjuju | Top Shelf |
| 23:42.53 | beandog | what's that? |
| 23:42.58 | beandog | you know what I like? |
| 23:42.59 | beandog | ah whats it called. |
| 23:43.03 | beandog | malt o meal. |
| 23:43.27 | mindjuju | malt o meal? We were a Cream of Wheat family! |
| 23:43.36 | beandog | oh yah |
| 23:43.38 | beandog | thats it! |
| 23:43.43 | beandog | which one is the one with the black guy on the front |
| 23:43.48 | mindjuju | Cream of Wheat |
| 23:43.52 | beandog | yah |
| 23:43.55 | beandog | that stuff rawks. |
| 23:44.01 | beandog | lol |
| 23:45.06 | beandog | eggos too |
| 23:45.11 | beandog | that's another staple in my household. |
| 23:45.17 | beandog | and tv dinners. |
| 23:45.18 | mindjuju | yeah, eggos rock |
| 23:45.28 | beandog | that's pretty much all I eat. |
| 23:45.36 | mindjuju | tv dinners, what that one called? Hungryman? |
| 23:45.40 | beandog | gah |
| 23:45.43 | beandog | those are horrible. |
| 23:45.49 | beandog | Marie Callendars are awesome. |
| 23:45.52 | mindjuju | had those commercials with those guys getting sucked into tornados cause they didn't eat enough |
| 23:46.12 | beandog | heh |
| 23:46.14 | mindjuju | where the slogan is like: Hungryman: Now with a pound of food |
| 23:46.21 | beandog | a pound of food? |
| 23:46.28 | beandog | They are really gross |
| 23:46.36 | mindjuju | i kid you not, it wasn't like, now serving Tuscan Chicken, or soemthing like that |
| 23:46.42 | mindjuju | it was advertising bulk |
| 23:46.49 | beandog | now with the head of the cow, too! |
| 23:47.33 | mindjuju | W00T! |
| 23:47.34 | mindjuju | http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/nuclearfamily/archives/2007/06/hungryman_sport_1.html |
| 23:47.49 | beandog | ugh |
| 23:47.50 | beandog | that looks nasty. |
| 23:47.52 | mindjuju | it has the 1lb stamp ont he left side of the box |
| 23:48.04 | beandog | http://www.yarayara.com/tv/tvtable.html |
| 23:48.50 | beandog | thats horrible. |
| 23:53.30 | beandog | heh |
| 23:53.40 | beandog | they dont even have a website I can show you all the cool ones |
| 23:53.41 | beandog | ah well. |
| 23:53.42 | beandog | :C |
| 23:54.11 | mindjuju | dude, this is too funny http://www.yarayara.com/tv/index.html#Pepperoni%20Pizza(personal%20size)%20by%20Freschetta |
| 23:54.23 | mindjuju | about half way down when they start to analyze the back of the box |
| 23:55.25 | beandog | heh |
| 23:55.26 | beandog | is he serious? |
| 23:58.15 | beandog | The young woman appears to be enjoying his enthusiasm. The final image is a curious one. Evidently he has just placed a forkful of his Banquet meal into his mouth. This has perhaps given him a moment of ecstasy. I say this because of the fact that his eyes are closed and a look of extreme serenity is on his face. Usually, a person closes his/her eyes during acts of intimacy. Apparently I missed something when I consumed this meal. |
| 23:58.23 | beandog | http://www.yarayara.com/tv/bprmi.gif |
| 23:58.33 | beandog | Ive had that one too, it is *nasty* |
| 23:58.35 | beandog | the rib one |
| 23:58.41 | mindjuju | rofl |
| 23:59.58 | beandog | Image #1 depicts what appears to be a man and his son returning from a baseball game. They seem to be in good spirits and are perhaps eagerly racing home to enjoy a Banquet meal. |
