| 00:00.15 | PoeticIntensity | oops... looks like it is! |
| 00:01.38 | bradym | "C-4 is 1.34 times as explosive as trinitrotoluene (TNT). It has gained popularity due to exposure in media including films and video games." |
| 00:02.00 | bradym | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-4_%28explosive%29 |
| 00:13.47 | mindjuju | yeah, true that. what game doesn't offer c4 ? |
| 00:20.25 | bradym | The creepy-cool factor of Pandora just went up a notch.. I was just thinking about this song and it started playing/ |
| 00:20.55 | mindjuju | which song? |
| 00:21.13 | mindjuju | by the way, i think it's a team of mind reading psychics |
| 00:21.33 | bradym | Happens All The Time by Cold |
| 00:21.47 | bradym | i think you're right |
| 00:23.10 | mindjuju | i don't think i know that song |
| 00:25.00 | bradym | i've only heard it on Pandora so far, good song and group though |
| 00:25.15 | bradym | if you like rock / metal |
| 00:25.44 | mindjuju | i like rock and metal, but not all the time |
| 00:26.49 | bradym | yeah, i've got quite the mix going on my pandora station now |
| 00:27.35 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 00:28.17 | mindjuju | i need to write a query that will pull back all records with xml unfriendly characters |
| 00:28.21 | mindjuju | any ideas |
| 00:34.18 | beandog | regexp? |
| 00:35.39 | bradym | sorry, no ideas here... i tend to just wrap everything in cdata[] so I don't have to worry about it |
| 00:42.27 | mindjuju | bradym, good call on cdata[], but have already tried and the app isn't working well with it |
| 00:42.46 | mindjuju | don't know much about the app side of the prob, but just that its not working, and they are pushing back to just have them removed |
| 00:43.59 | bradym | so what's the plan now? remove all non xml-friendly characters from the content? |
| 00:44.12 | mindjuju | yup |
| 00:44.29 | mindjuju | all present and future content |
| 00:44.38 | beandog | my gosh. |
| 00:44.46 | beandog | why doesnt anyone support logging in over SSL. |
| 00:45.01 | beandog | idiots-- |
| 00:45.33 | bradym | mindjuju: i'm guessing just changing the character encoding to utf8 isn't an option? |
| 00:46.00 | mindjuju | i've thought about it |
| 00:46.16 | mindjuju | but haven't tried it, i should |
| 00:47.09 | bradym | I haven't used it myself for anything, but this class may be useful for you: http://phputf8.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:48.08 | bradym | in fact, this sounds like it might do the trick: "The file UTF8 . '/utils/ascii.php' contains utilities to detect whether a UTF-8 string contains just ASCII characters (allowing you to use PHP's faster, native, string functions) and also stripping everything non-ASCII from a string" |
| 00:48.45 | mindjuju | hey, that looks awesome! |
| 00:49.26 | mindjuju | thx bradym! |
| 00:49.41 | bradym | np, hope it's as useful as it looks :D |
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| 03:03.45 | mindjuju | sup justingiboney |
| 03:04.04 | mindjuju | how goes the coding?> |
| 03:04.24 | justingiboney | okay i guess, i am still having problems with my tables |
| 03:04.56 | justingiboney | and you |
| 03:05.21 | mindjuju | pretty good. caught up on this database restructuring |
| 03:05.32 | mindjuju | what up with tables? I remember seeing something, but don't remember what it was? |
| 03:05.45 | justingiboney | http://forodeherbales.com/edge/movies.php |
| 03:06.12 | justingiboney | in explorer when the window is made smaller |
| 03:06.20 | justingiboney | the tables drop down |
| 03:06.38 | justingiboney | and in a 800x600 screen the table breaks into the right hand column |
| 03:07.01 | mindjuju | yup |
| 03:07.05 | justingiboney | in firefox that is |
| 03:07.28 | mindjuju | how do you want the titles to display? all across the white splash box? |
| 03:07.56 | mindjuju | i like the general layout and color schema, did you do it? |
| 03:07.58 | justingiboney | i want the columns to be variable depending on the width of the white screen. |
| 03:08.10 | justingiboney | i used an open source layout |
| 03:08.52 | mindjuju | so, if they have 1600 x 1200 screens like i do, should the pictures spread across the white or just be equidistant? |
| 03:09.06 | justingiboney | i would use divs and float them, but then i can't clear it with the "coming soon" section without clearing the right and left column |
| 03:09.56 | justingiboney | i wouldn't mind a fourth column popping up |
| 03:10.07 | justingiboney | on that big of a screen |
| 03:11.17 | mindjuju | k, got a question |
| 03:11.20 | justingiboney | the design came from http://www.oswd.org/ |
| 03:11.24 | justingiboney | go ahead |
| 03:12.09 | justingiboney | * I meant fifth column earlier |
| 03:12.17 | mindjuju | i love CSS, but i'm not going to force on you |
| 03:12.25 | mindjuju | did you want this to be a table solution or CSS solution? |
| 03:12.59 | justingiboney | i would rather not use the table, but that was the best i could come up with |
| 03:13.29 | mindjuju | k, let's look at table solution, just so you can see it, then let's look at CSS |
| 03:13.41 | justingiboney | ok |
| 03:20.21 | justingiboney | thank you |
| 03:20.22 | mindjuju | ~pastebin |
| 03:20.23 | jbot | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 03:20.55 | mindjuju | http://pastebin.com/d778d0717 |
| 03:21.15 | mindjuju | table solution is there. load that table format and everything should look happy and easily editable to your preference |
| 03:22.55 | mindjuju | whoops, went to fast through it. forgot to set the column width to 25% on all cols |
| 03:23.04 | mindjuju | that will give everything a balanced look |
| 03:24.07 | mindjuju | k, this one has the balance in the 4 cols so they are all equidistant http://pastebin.com/d70fb5216 |
| 03:24.14 | justingiboney | that will work except for when the screen is too small for 4 columns |
| 03:24.40 | mindjuju | well, the cols aren't to a pixel width, they are a percentage |
| 03:24.46 | mindjuju | and the width of the table is the same |
| 03:25.09 | justingiboney | except the images aren't |
| 03:25.24 | mindjuju | table width = 100% of available screen, cols = 25% of available (x4) = 100% |
| 03:25.29 | mindjuju | hmm... |
| 03:26.00 | justingiboney | if css has solution where there isn't a fixed number of columns that would be great |
| 03:26.32 | mindjuju | oh, i see. you want everything dynamic |
| 03:28.33 | mindjuju | k, i think i have it |
| 03:29.08 | justingiboney | if a div containing my header had a width of 100% and floated along with the others would that act like clearing it? |
| 03:30.02 | mindjuju | maybe, i'd have to see more of what you mean |
| 03:30.57 | justingiboney | let me try it hold on |
| 03:39.34 | justingiboney | almost |
| 03:39.41 | justingiboney | didn't work though] |
| 03:40.24 | mindjuju | bummer! k, give me quick sec |
| 03:41.00 | justingiboney | now their not on top of each other |
| 03:41.11 | justingiboney | i just need the white to extend down |
| 03:44.49 | bradym | justingiboney: add a height rule to your #content css rule |
| 03:45.21 | bradym | wait.. that's not quite working right |
| 03:45.32 | justingiboney | like height: 600px; ? |
| 03:46.56 | bradym | yeah, that's what i meant, but on second glance it's not doing what i thought it would |
| 03:50.13 | justingiboney | got it |
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| 03:50.31 | justingiboney | i just put a clear div inside the white area |
| 03:50.44 | justingiboney | does that work for you? |
| 03:51.12 | mindjuju | yeah, but it gives me like 1000px of white with nothing |
| 03:51.54 | justingiboney | ya that will be the only problem with wide screens is that it is going to clear the left and right columns also |
| 03:52.20 | justingiboney | and there is some funny spacing between the images. I'll have to figureout what that is |
| 03:52.58 | mindjuju | how much longer you going to be around |
| 03:53.06 | justingiboney | me? tonight? |
| 03:53.08 | mindjuju | i got something brewing but it'll prolly be 5 ~ 10 min |
| 03:53.35 | justingiboney | i'll be here as long as it takes, or untilI have to go to work at8 |
| 03:53.40 | justingiboney | =) |
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| 04:09.18 | thebigdog | top of the morning to ya |
| 04:10.20 | justingiboney | good morning |
| 04:10.28 | thebigdog | its the house of pain!!! |
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| 04:24.48 | influx^_^ | WE HATESSSS IT. |
| 04:26.56 | mindjuju | justingiboney , that content div is messing up the works, i've got pratically everything, but that just is a twilight zone of CSS hatred |
| 04:27.13 | mindjuju | so, i'm going to go around it |
| 04:28.03 | justingiboney | ok |
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| 13:57.48 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I know I've asked you this before, but here I go again. |
| 13:57.59 | Utah_Dave | What would you say are the top 3 Python books? |
| 13:58.20 | Utah_Dave | We've got a lot of year-end spending to do |
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| 14:24.20 | influx^_^ | Good morning, chumps and chumpettes. |
| 14:38.12 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: Dive into Python is a good starter (and also free online) |
| 14:38.30 | Utah_Dave | jsmith: cool |
| 14:38.33 | Utah_Dave | thanks |
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| 15:03.55 | timinator | yawn |
| 15:04.02 | timinator | ~yawn |
| 15:04.03 | jbot | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
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| 16:00.45 | timinator | ~wake everyone |
| 16:00.45 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everyone and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 16:01.02 | timinator | anyone know why this feed doesn't validate: http://www.feedvalidator.org/check.cgi?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.innovationatchurch.com#l1l1 |
| 16:01.13 | PoeticIntensity | I can code, or I can set up a new gentoo server... |
| 16:04.17 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: Dive Into Python, Byte of Python (both free), and probably Programming Python |
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| 16:05.13 | mgeary | Learning Python from OReilly is also good |
| 16:05.41 | dataw0lf | yea, it's ok. |
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| 16:06.59 | mgeary | you know, the iTunes store is alright for what it is, but i tell ya, nothing beats buying a used, good quality CD from Amazon and ripping it yerself |
| 16:07.50 | wps | really? |
| 16:08.02 | wps | I am so glad the driving to the store and back and ripping days are in the past |
| 16:08.06 | mgeary | no DRM, and you can get CDs for ~4-6 bucks |
| 16:08.10 | wps | oops |
| 16:08.12 | wps | you said amazon |
| 16:08.17 | wps | UPS comes to your door |
| 16:08.24 | mgeary | well yeah |
| 16:08.25 | influx^_^ | lulz |
| 16:08.26 | wps | I'd still much rather just download it than have to rip it |
| 16:08.55 | mgeary | i don't mind ripping at all. if anything, i just mind waiting for the CDs to arrive |
| 16:09.17 | mgeary | but for a 30+ percent savings, and the reassurance that you can always re-rip... |
| 16:09.26 | wps | DRM is fine with me… hasn't inconvenienced me ever |
| 16:09.44 | PoeticIntensity | DRM is a constant nuisance to me. |
| 16:09.45 | unum | I don't think I can use drm |
| 16:09.49 | mgeary | me neither, but it's still there. I actually ran up against Apple's 5-computer limit recently |
| 16:10.05 | mgeary | so i (re)consolidated things |
| 16:10.06 | wps | I'd rather it not be there and am a big advocate for not having it, but I don't see why so many people get so bent out of shape about it |
| 16:10.08 | unum | I only have linux based computers at home |
| 16:10.33 | PoeticIntensity | unum, me too. |
| 16:10.40 | unum | it's an other method of vendor lock in is one of my major issues |
| 16:10.42 | SunSparc | Apple has already started the campaign to eliminate DRM. |
| 16:10.59 | unum | plus it's frequently impcompatible with free software |
| 16:11.02 | PoeticIntensity | when they actually DO "eliminate" DRM, I'll believe it. |
| 16:11.18 | SunSparc | They already did, from one of their music suppliers. |
| 16:11.24 | SunSparc | One down, many more to go. |
| 16:11.24 | PoeticIntensity | yes... from one. |
| 16:11.31 | wps | just burn 'em and then rip 'em then and then you're not locked in and it's just like the Amazon approach but even faster! (don't have to wait for UPS) |
| 16:11.33 | SunSparc | But it is a start |
| 16:11.46 | wps | why's that's so complicated? |
| 16:11.51 | PoeticIntensity | it's not. |
| 16:12.04 | PoeticIntensity | it's the idea behind DRM that causes me much burnage. |
| 16:12.08 | mgeary | anyway, not trying to re-hash well-worn issues. i'm just enjoying my double-CD purchase of 2 Dream Academy albums |
| 16:12.21 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, awesome.. |
| 16:13.35 | SunSparc | Dream Academy++ |
| 16:14.47 | mgeary | not Remembrance Days :) |
| 16:14.51 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:15.01 | SunSparc | Pandora lists both |
| 16:15.04 | mgeary | aah |
| 16:18.20 | wps | Bug Bites are the bomb-diggity |
| 16:18.33 | mgeary | ?? |
| 16:19.49 | mgeary | rsync question for y'all-- |
| 16:20.15 | wps | http://i4.peapod.com/c/WJ/WJ6PQ.jpg |
| 16:20.43 | mgeary | i use --dry-run a lot to identify changed files, which i often manually reconcile. However, i'd really prefer it if i could screen out the listing of directories. i'm only interested in *files* that have changed |
| 16:20.43 | SunSparc | mgeary: ask away |
| 16:21.00 | mgeary | 'cause i might have 40 directories, but only 3 files that have changed |
| 16:21.14 | SunSparc | What are you trying to do mgeary? |
| 16:21.15 | mgeary | now, i believe it might be listing those directories because the owner is different from machine A to machine B |
| 16:21.49 | mgeary | but the bottom line is, i want to use rsync --dry-run to give me a recursive list of just *files* that have changed from machine A to machine B |
| 16:23.25 | SunSparc | I am not sure of a way to show just files, with rsync, but you could pipe the output of rsync through grep. |
| 16:23.57 | SunSparc | If the output is showing something that indicates directories. |
| 16:29.25 | orsonj | what do you guys like to rip with? I have had problems with sound-juicer having noises clicks, etc. |
| 16:31.20 | thebigdog | orsonj, i use grip |
| 16:32.42 | PoeticIntensity | grip is the bomb-diggity. |
| 16:34.26 | orsonj | I have used grip in the past and am pleased with the audio quality. However I like how sound-juicer uses musicbrainz. |
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| 16:38.15 | thebigdog | then use sound-juicer |
| 16:39.01 | thebigdog | sometimes management pisses me off |
| 16:39.13 | wps | s/sometimes/always/ |
| 16:39.22 | thebigdog | im making screenshots for marketing...that really chaps my *** |
| 16:39.45 | wps | that's a good use of your lead developer |
| 16:40.57 | Utah_Dave | $70/hr to make screenshots |
| 16:40.59 | dataw0lf | they tried to get me to get screenshots for them one time |
| 16:41.07 | wps | how insulting |
| 16:41.08 | dataw0lf | my manager is buried by the tree near the back door |
| 16:41.13 | wps | you going to take that from Utah_Dave, thebigdog? |
| 16:41.33 | wps | thebigdog was making $70/hour in high school |
| 16:41.39 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, that is what im thinking |
| 16:41.51 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, a lot more than that an hour |
| 16:41.54 | thebigdog | :) |
| 16:41.58 | wps | :) |
| 16:42.09 | wps | crap… I can't even imagine $70/hour |
| 16:42.13 | wps | what would that be like |
| 16:42.26 | thebigdog | in utah terms i'm cost about 3 developers |
| 16:45.25 | thebigdog | sometimes management needs a clue |
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| 16:46.50 | wps | I had a senior VP that I was fighting with last week |
| 16:47.00 | cole_joplin | uh oh |
| 16:47.05 | wps | that wanted to completely change the logo for a sight redesign |
| 16:47.14 | cole_joplin | ha |
| 16:47.21 | wps | … which would have essentially dump a decades worth of branding down the toilet |
| 16:47.42 | cole_joplin | but multicolored butterflies are the way to go |
| 16:47.48 | wps | apparently |
| 16:47.53 | wps | what do I know? |
| 16:48.07 | cole_joplin | not like you understand design |
| 16:48.11 | cole_joplin | or business |
| 16:48.50 | cole_joplin | now, a big merger, some big event, maybe I can see it |
| 16:48.54 | cole_joplin | like Sprint |
| 16:49.01 | cole_joplin | merging with Nextel |
| 16:49.09 | cole_joplin | that is maybe a justification |
| 16:49.22 | cole_joplin | fix a bad reputation |
| 16:49.25 | wps | oh, there's nothing wrong with changing your brand… if you have a good reason and the timing is right… |
| 16:49.31 | SunSparc | $70/hour is about $145 600,00/year |
| 16:49.32 | orsonj | oh, cool. there is a freedb/musicbrainz proxy you can use with grip, etc. |
| 16:49.39 | wps | my issue was that doing that is a HUGE decision! |
| 16:49.50 | wps | something that should involve the CEO and entire board |
| 16:49.56 | wps | something that you have to think through and plan |
| 16:50.10 | wps | _not_ something you can do at the end of the day one day on a whim |
| 16:50.20 | cole_joplin | wow, no kidding |
| 16:50.34 | wps | you can't just change your logo completely on your website |
| 16:50.45 | wps | if you change it… it would have to change everywhere… across all mediums |
| 16:50.46 | cole_joplin | wow, no |
| 16:51.00 | cole_joplin | sounds like a power play |
| 16:51.13 | cole_joplin | that makes sense |
| 16:51.20 | cole_joplin | politically |
| 16:51.38 | cole_joplin | is this at the same place I interviewed at? |
| 16:52.34 | wps | ~plead 5th |
| 16:53.19 | thebigdog | SunSparc, your point? |
| 16:53.33 | wps | someone should teach that to jbot |
| 16:53.37 | SunSparc | Do I need one? :) |
| 16:53.55 | thebigdog | no...just remember who you are talking about ;) |
| 16:54.00 | thebigdog | haha |
| 16:54.28 | thebigdog | i actually bill out at $5 less than that though |
| 16:54.44 | SunSparc | Tasty |
| 16:54.57 | thebigdog | jsmith makes more |
| 16:54.59 | thebigdog | and wps too |
| 16:55.20 | thebigdog | but when you have mad skills like them it all works out |
| 16:55.28 | SunSparc | :) |
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| 16:59.28 | wps | question for the group |
| 16:59.53 | SunSparc | answer for the group |
| 17:00.04 | wps | I have received a general feeling from developers that I have talked to about my new job that there is a general distaste for Omniture locally |
| 17:00.21 | wps | it's been interesting though because I have only received that from developers that I've talked to and not marketing/sales/business people |
| 17:00.46 | wps | all none engineer people I have talked to have great things to say about Omniture |
| 17:01.02 | wps | why does Omniture's engineering/development department have a bad reputation? |
| 17:01.18 | wps | is there anything real behind that or is it just BS because they are a big company? |
| 17:02.35 | tierra | I'm wondering the same thing myself... there's been a couple times I've heard people not happy with the company, but I still haven't heard any valid reasons for not liking them |
| 17:03.44 | wps | yeah… I am wondering if it's just something people say because everyone else does or if there actually are issues |
| 17:03.58 | dataw0lf | ask jsmith-away |
| 17:06.38 | tierra | I know someone who is paying for their services, and loves what they provide, but it seems like all the negative comments come from current or past employees |
| 17:07.54 | wps | jsmith-away: any comments? |
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| 17:12.14 | beandog | nothing like a good cup of the daily wtf to get you going in the morning |
| 17:12.25 | beandog | http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/In-the-Garden-of-Admin.aspx |
| 17:14.36 | mgeary | Ominture owes mgeary's company some dough |
| 17:14.47 | mgeary | getting them to pay has been... wearisome |
| 17:15.09 | timinator | bad debt is a bad sign |
| 17:15.20 | mgeary | not really "bad debt" |
| 17:15.24 | mgeary | just "slow to pay" |
| 17:15.42 | timinator | ah |
| 17:16.32 | mgeary | where you call Accts. Payable, and they "haven't seen the invoice" |
| 17:16.34 | mgeary | so you resend |
| 17:16.39 | mgeary | which starts everything over again |
| 17:16.42 | mgeary | so you call again later |
| 17:16.50 | mgeary | and they "overlooked" it |
| 17:16.56 | mgeary | so everything starts over again |
| 17:17.05 | mgeary | 'cause heaven forbid they fast-track anything |
| 17:17.14 | mgeary | sorry. i'm done now |
| 17:17.14 | influx^_^ | mgeary: What do you do? |
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| 18:18.55 | thebigdog | yeah man...is that freedom rock? |
| 18:19.33 | thebigdog | well...turn it up man!!!! |
| 18:19.44 | timinator | volume++++++ |
| 18:20.03 | timinator | nice |
| 18:20.29 | SunSparc | Why is apache not using the virtual hosts that I have specified? Why is it defaulting to the main server?! Argh. |
| 18:20.40 | beandog | heart |
| 18:20.51 | thebigdog | SunSparc, cause you dont have it setup right? |
| 18:21.02 | SunSparc | thebigdog: OH |
| 18:21.05 | SunSparc | :) |
| 18:21.20 | thebigdog | ~smack beandog |
| 18:21.21 | jbot | ACTION smacks beandog upside the head. |
| 18:21.54 | beandog | whats that for |
| 18:22.00 | SunSparc | I obviously have missed something, but I do not know what, because it is setup like every other server I have setup. |
| 18:23.48 | thebigdog | beandog, there is only 1 database |
| 18:23.58 | beandog | MSSQL? |
| 18:24.07 | thebigdog | beandog, for mindjuju that is the case |
| 18:24.25 | thebigdog | SunSparc, probably has to do with your default vhost setting then |
| 18:24.51 | SunSparc | DB3 is the only database |
| 18:25.11 | timinator | how bout dBase?!?! |
| 18:25.25 | beandog | sqlite is freaking awesome |
| 18:25.47 | PoeticIntensity | why you lovin' so much on sqlite, beandog ? |
| 18:25.48 | SunSparc | thebigdog: could be |
| 18:26.12 | beandog | Today, I just like how its daemonless. |
| 18:26.22 | thebigdog | SunSparc, is your vhosts in the httpd.conf file? |
| 18:26.25 | thebigdog | or another file |
| 18:26.38 | beandog | The really cool part is how if you write a php script to access an sqlite db, and it doesnt exist, it will just create one for you. |
| 18:26.41 | beandog | Sooo simple. |
| 18:26.43 | beandog | :) |
| 18:26.43 | SunSparc | httpd.conf |
| 18:26.46 | PoeticIntensity | man... my 18-month-old headbutted me in the lip last night... |
| 18:27.08 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, it hurts when they hit your nose too |
| 18:27.14 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... heh.. |
| 18:27.22 | timinator | cool PI |
| 18:27.22 | thebigdog | ive had that many a times |
| 18:27.29 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a pretty violent impluse, too... (for me, at least)... |
| 18:27.38 | timinator | my 3 mo. old is giggling now |
| 18:27.43 | timinator | and he's found his hands |
| 18:27.59 | PoeticIntensity | I wanted to throw him across the room.... It's amazing how much an 18-month-old noggin can hurt. :) |
| 18:28.29 | PoeticIntensity | of course.... that's all in my head. |
| 18:28.41 | PoeticIntensity | definitely not into child abuse... just was amazed at the pain. |
| 18:32.33 | beandog | you know the number off-hand? |
| 18:32.38 | beandog | now that's creepy |
| 18:32.57 | beandog | don't beat your kids |
| 18:32.59 | beandog | dogs are so much more fun |
| 18:33.37 | thebigdog | yes they are beandog |
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| 18:33.47 | thebigdog | see...that felt good |
| 18:35.48 | thebigdog | quiet today |
| 18:36.08 | PoeticIntensity | it's been quiet all week. |
| 18:36.09 | SunSparc | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 18:36.14 | PoeticIntensity | er... nevermind. |
| 18:36.14 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 18:36.15 | SunSparc | Tension breaker, had to be done |
| 18:36.32 | thebigdog | oh i thought you still had issues with apache |
| 18:36.50 | SunSparc | I do |
| 18:36.54 | thebigdog | i set up an apache -> tomcat proxy last night |
| 18:36.59 | beandog | breaker? |
| 18:37.02 | thebigdog | man im good |
| 18:37.05 | SunSparc | I have it manual perfect and still it balks |
| 18:37.16 | PoeticIntensity | what ever came of the data corruption you had, thebigdog ? |
| 18:37.20 | PoeticIntensity | get things sorted out? |
| 18:37.25 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, :( |
| 18:37.28 | PoeticIntensity | ugh... |
| 18:37.31 | thebigdog | its all gone |
| 18:37.35 | thebigdog | 5.5tb of data |
| 18:37.35 | PoeticIntensity | seriously? |
| 18:37.37 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 18:37.45 | thebigdog | data recover for that is 40k |
| 18:37.46 | SunSparc | The question is, does thebigdog still have his jorb? |
| 18:37.58 | thebigdog | yes...cause its not my crap that broke |
| 18:37.59 | PoeticIntensity | ugh, ugh, ugh... |
| 18:38.02 | PoeticIntensity | I feel your pain, man. |
| 18:38.19 | thebigdog | we dropped dell the logs and it is there scsi controllers and some other stuff |
| 18:38.28 | thebigdog | so we have all new parts shipped to us |
| 18:38.40 | PoeticIntensity | man, oh man. |
| 18:38.44 | thebigdog | problem is there hardware has issues |
| 18:39.17 | thebigdog | they are doing sata drives in scsi arrays and using these emcs that convert sata -> scsi |
| 18:39.27 | thebigdog | we just push it to death |
| 18:39.39 | thebigdog | we should have purchased scsi drives |
| 18:39.49 | thebigdog | but you cant get anything over 300g drives |
| 18:40.01 | PoeticIntensity | I've been hearing lots of "bling" about sata raid being the new "thing"...? |
| 18:40.05 | thebigdog | and sans is too expensive |
| 18:40.18 | thebigdog | yeah...the cheap raid |
| 18:40.22 | PoeticIntensity | ah... that's why. |
| 18:40.29 | PoeticIntensity | the drives are bigger to begin with, so ... more storage for less. |
| 18:40.33 | thebigdog | we just hammer the hell out of it is the big issue |
| 18:40.42 | PoeticIntensity | lots of i/o? |
| 18:40.44 | thebigdog | yes they have the new 750g drives |
| 18:40.47 | thebigdog | tons of i/o |
| 18:40.58 | PoeticIntensity | how do you back em' up? |
| 18:41.02 | thebigdog | that is the one we are having issues with |
| 18:41.13 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, that is the funny thing |
| 18:41.20 | PoeticIntensity | uh oh. |
| 18:41.23 | thebigdog | we told management we need tons of tapes for backup |
| 18:41.30 | thebigdog | and they said they cost too much |
| 18:41.35 | PoeticIntensity | more than 40K? :) |
| 18:41.48 | thebigdog | heavens no...that is the funny part |
| 18:41.49 | PoeticIntensity | wow... |
| 18:41.59 | PoeticIntensity | backing up 5.5TB ...... |
| 18:42.01 | thebigdog | they are $40 for a 800g tape |
| 18:42.08 | thebigdog | it takes time |
| 18:42.10 | PoeticIntensity | OH MY... |
| 18:42.36 | thebigdog | so now we are backing up our 2 4.1tb drives and doing recovery testing on them with our 6.3tb drive |
| 18:42.46 | thebigdog | to make sure that we can restore and what is the time and all that other crap |
| 18:42.52 | PoeticIntensity | of course. |
| 18:42.58 | thebigdog | how many tapes are needed...yada yada |
| 18:43.04 | thebigdog | great learning experience |
| 18:43.13 | thebigdog | for management |
| 18:43.13 | PoeticIntensity | why is it that most management people are reactive to the important stuff, and proactive for the crap that doesn't really matter? |
| 18:43.23 | thebigdog | tell me about it |
| 18:43.36 | thebigdog | they are more concerned with the website skin then the data |
| 18:43.43 | PoeticIntensity | "er...... nah.... $40.00 is too much for a tape to back up our data" |
| 18:43.54 | PoeticIntensity | blah blah blah. |
| 18:43.55 | thebigdog | that boggles my mind |
| 18:44.16 | PoeticIntensity | indeed-i-o. |
| 18:44.16 | beandog | oh man |
| 18:44.21 | beandog | at my last job we did tape backups for about a year |
| 18:44.23 | thebigdog | then there all over me for screenshots of crap when im working with the dell tech on getting it all resolved |
| 18:44.30 | beandog | then one day I finally realized we only had one machine with a tape drive |
| 18:44.35 | beandog | So if that one died, we couldn't restore them anyway. |
| 18:44.40 | thebigdog | lol |
| 18:45.06 | thebigdog | we do have a nice tape backup system...we just dont use it all the way |
| 18:45.08 | thebigdog | go figure |
| 18:45.24 | PoeticIntensity | yup, yup. |
| 18:45.49 | PoeticIntensity | work generally sucks when your boss (or your boss's boss) doesn't know jack about technology. |
| 18:46.09 | PoeticIntensity | that's why beandog has the perfect job. |
| 18:46.14 | PoeticIntensity | his boss is a major geek. |
| 18:46.18 | thebigdog | yeha |
| 18:46.24 | PoeticIntensity | and the owner of the company. |
| 18:46.27 | PoeticIntensity | buyah! |
| 18:46.41 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, was that a "yeah" or a "yee-haw"? |
| 18:46.49 | thebigdog | yeha |
| 18:46.53 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 18:47.05 | thebigdog | that is my way |
| 18:47.16 | thebigdog | its all how the hands feel |
| 18:47.30 | PoeticIntensity | and how the carpel tunnel acts... |
| 18:47.33 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 18:47.37 | thebigdog | yep |
| 18:47.51 | thebigdog | importing data sucks |
| 18:48.30 | timinator | not half as bad as data entry |
| 18:48.32 | timinator | :) |
| 18:49.38 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 18:50.19 | SunSparc | data entry is great, if someone else is doing it. :) |
| 18:51.05 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:51.06 | thebigdog | some $8/hr person |
| 18:51.21 | timinator | fo sho |
| 18:51.28 | timinator | anyone here on LinkedIn? |
| 18:51.50 | thebigdog | <-- |
| 18:53.25 | PoeticIntensity | timinator, I am. |
| 18:57.25 | PoeticIntensity | mind if I add you to my network, thebigdog ? |
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| 18:59.07 | beandog | ~lart db tables that don't have any column for update date |
| 18:59.07 | jbot | whips out a sword and chops db tables that don't have any column in half for update date |
| 19:00.27 | timinator | jsmith: are you the one w/ a BYU MBA in 2008? |
| 19:00.48 | jsmith | timinator: Nope... I went to a heathen school. |
| 19:13.39 | influx^_^ | timinator: Did/do you happen to know Elementor? |
| 19:16.26 | timinator | I eliminated him |
| 19:17.36 | influx^_^ | srsly |
| 19:17.45 | influx^_^ | wait, what? |
| 19:18.03 | influx^_^ | hmm. |
| 19:18.05 | influx^_^ | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Timinator |
| 19:18.28 | timinator | geez |
| 19:18.42 | timinator | My wife's name is Wendy |
| 19:21.26 | timinator | how bout TIMMAHHH |
| 19:21.27 | timinator | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TIMMAHHH |
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| 19:25.37 | opapo | I want users to use pretty urls instead of the ugly urls we are currently forcing them to use. |
| 19:25.56 | opapo | I have tried mod_rewrite and am getting frustrated. |
| 19:26.20 | opapo | It should work according to my knowledge, but it's not. |
| 19:27.53 | beandog | hmm |
| 19:28.05 | beandog | I dont suppose theres a way to do a union with an orderby that works on both queries |
| 19:28.29 | beandog | oh wait, n/m |
| 19:28.31 | beandog | Im an idiot. |
| 19:28.32 | beandog | wrong column. |
| 19:29.37 | timinator | by "pretty" you mean forward slashes only? no question marks or equal signs? |
| 19:32.34 | beandog | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargggh |
| 19:54.16 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, you can add em |
| 19:55.13 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 20:05.19 | thebigdog | timinator, you can add me too |
| 20:06.59 | timinator | already did |
| 20:07.03 | timinator | don't you have it? |
| 20:10.10 | PoeticIntensity | did you get an email timinator (from my linked in invite) ? |
| 20:10.31 | thebigdog | timinator, no i did not get it |
| 20:11.03 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, i did get yours |
| 20:11.15 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 20:18.25 | timinator | thebigdog: I did not |
| 20:18.51 | thebigdog | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.59 | timinator | get the invite |
| 20:19.05 | thebigdog | did you send me one? |
| 20:19.08 | timinator | yes |
| 20:19.21 | thebigdog | k i did not get it |
| 20:22.16 | timinator | I did get an email about Replica Watches |
| 20:22.20 | timinator | hmmm |
| 20:23.05 | timinator | :) jk |
| 20:33.34 | thebigdog | jsmith, you there? |
| 20:39.29 | jsmith | thebigdog: Yeah... talking on two phone calls, but I can type at the same time :-) |
| 20:52.14 | SunSparc | Is c.o.c. better than c&c? |
| 20:52.21 | thebigdog | yes |
| 20:52.28 | thebigdog | i hate c&c |
| 20:52.38 | SunSparc | heh |
| 21:02.46 | PoeticIntensity | timinator, I didn't get yours, either. |
| 21:03.00 | timinator | huh |
| 21:03.10 | thebigdog | timinator, is smoking some rock again |
| 21:03.20 | PoeticIntensity | awwwww yeah... the rock. |
| 21:03.23 | timinator | putting out a fire right now... I'll send again in a sec |
| 21:03.39 | timinator | oh, funny funny bigdog |
| 21:05.47 | thebigdog | haha |
| 21:06.14 | timinator | :) |
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| 22:07.40 | mindjuju | ~APB Herlo |
| 22:13.33 | timinator | did you guys see this: http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/Techcrunch/~3/139711892/ |
| 22:14.26 | timinator | CRAZY $$$$$$ |
| 22:17.10 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v _psychic_] by ChanServ |
| 22:22.39 | thebigdog | ~cheese mgeary |
| 22:22.40 | jbot | ACTION hands mgeary a tray of sliced sharp cheddar and pineapple |
| 22:22.59 | thebigdog | ~squirt mgeary |
| 22:23.03 | mindjuju | jbot: APB $1 is <action> (calls|summons|hires) (Dog the Bounty Hunter|Beth|Leland|Duane Lee|Tim|baby Lyssa) and (stake out|find|rough up|spray mace at) $1 |
| 22:23.03 | jbot | okay, mindjuju |
| 22:23.09 | mindjuju | ~APB herlo |
| 22:23.10 | jbot | ACTION hires Leland and stake out herlo |
| 22:23.36 | mindjuju | ~APB mgeary |
| 22:23.36 | jbot | ACTION summons Duane Lee and spray mace at mgeary |
| 22:24.03 | mindjuju | sorry mgeary, just testing out the randomizer |
| 22:24.09 | mindjuju | ~APB thebigdog |
| 22:24.09 | jbot | ACTION hires Beth and rough up thebigdog |
| 22:24.18 | thebigdog | lol |
| 22:24.39 | mindjuju | that's pretty funny |
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| 22:32.51 | SunSparc | Nice catch! |
| 22:32.52 | _psychic_ | milky way... nice. |
| 22:33.20 | mindjuju | psh, baby ruth rox |
| 22:33.40 | _psychic_ | I'm going to complain about free candy being tossed. |
| 22:33.44 | _psychic_ | *not going to |
| 22:34.13 | tierra | cole_joplin: What's Jason's last name? There's two individuals by the name of Jason at the number you gave me. |
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| 22:42.35 | cole_joplin | tierra, I don't know |
| 22:42.42 | cole_joplin | I'd have to look it up |
| 22:43.30 | cole_joplin | I'm thinking they prefered someone going to Vegas |
| 22:47.19 | cole_joplin | I'm sure if you picked one, process of elimination would take over |
| 22:48.44 | thebigdog | ~wake mindjuju |
| 22:48.44 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 22:49.42 | tierra | or maybe I just meet the one going to Vegas since I'm headed there tonight ;) |
| 22:50.29 | tierra | anyway, thanks |
| 22:51.26 | tierra | s/and/to |
| 22:51.43 | tierra | weird, how'd I end up in backlog |
| 22:52.26 | tierra | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:52.29 | tierra | that needs to be |
| 22:52.34 | tierra | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.15 | cole_joplin | I'm on the market, but I think I'm ready for just management |
| 22:53.28 | cole_joplin | someone to stop the trend of Boomer/Microsoft |
| 22:53.56 | cole_joplin | the inflated demand for C#, and no programmers interested in it |
| 22:54.41 | cole_joplin | when I was still at TopTenReviews, the new management guy who came in |
| 22:55.13 | *** part/#uphpu _psychic_ (n=_psychic@66.7.114.125) |
| 22:55.20 | cole_joplin | one of his first statements was "What's this with the LAMP crap" |
| 22:55.35 | PoeticIntensity | wow... |
| 22:55.44 | PoeticIntensity | I'd be outta there so fast, it'd cause the data to corrupt. |
| 22:57.02 | timinator | I'm outie... later |
| 23:17.11 | mgeary | anyone here have any experience building "Windows Live Spaces Gadgets" ? |
| 23:17.38 | wps | eek |
| 23:32.25 | herlo | mindjuju: I'm here |
| 23:47.53 | dataw0lf | BAD MGEARY |
| 23:48.16 | mgeary | hey look |
| 23:48.23 | dataw0lf | WHAT IS THIS?! |
| 23:48.26 | dataw0lf | NO POOING ON THE RUG! |
| 23:48.31 | dataw0lf | BAD MGEARY |
| 23:48.32 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 23:48.54 | mgeary | ~stinky dataw0lf |
| 23:48.54 | jbot | ACTION throws dataw0lf into the shower and scrubs vigorously with Liquid Plumber and a wire brush. "Ewww, i am NOT cleaning the hair from the drain" |
| 23:49.11 | dataw0lf | lil lower |
| 23:49.27 | dataw0lf | breaking news: |
| 23:49.29 | dataw0lf | http://kstp.com/article/stories/S156329.shtml?cat=1 |
| 23:51.03 | beandog | eek. |
| 23:51.11 | beandog | taht sucks. |
| 23:51.26 | dataw0lf | rush hour even |
| 23:52.02 | beandog | Ackbar? |
| 23:52.11 | mgeary | well |
| 23:52.18 | mgeary | LW aint here to correct me :) |
| 23:52.41 | dataw0lf | aieeeeeeeeeee the terrorists are coming to get us! |
| 23:52.43 | dataw0lf | http://interglacial.com/~sburke/stuff/ignignokt.gif |
| 23:53.03 | dataw0lf | I think it's ackbar |
| 23:53.09 | dataw0lf | Allah'u Ackbar or something |
| 23:53.20 | beandog | heh |
| 23:53.40 | dataw0lf | no not admiral ackbar |
| 23:53.57 | beandog | whose that |
| 23:54.31 | beandog | oh yah |
| 23:54.32 | beandog | Star Wars |
| 23:54.39 | beandog | is that red dude |
| 23:54.42 | beandog | is he |
| 23:54.45 | dataw0lf | the fish dude |
| 23:54.46 | mgeary | squid guy |
| 23:54.51 | beandog | yah |
| 23:54.52 | beandog | hes freaky. |
| 23:54.56 | mgeary | he rocks |
| 23:55.07 | beandog | mmm, star wars |
| 23:55.10 | beandog | I should watch that tonight. |
| 23:58.51 | mgeary | later folks |
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