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| 01:19.50 | mindjuju | anybody around |
| 01:22.27 | influx^_^ | yo |
| 01:22.50 | mindjuju | was trying to remember what the name of the device that allowed you to share Mobile Broadband |
| 01:22.53 | mindjuju | but i think i found it |
| 01:23.10 | jsmith | Something like a Kyocera KR-1? |
| 01:24.48 | mindjuju | yeah, i think that's it. where you just slide in the pcmcia card you'd have put into your laptop and everybody gets to share |
| 01:26.33 | jsmith | Exactly |
| 01:26.38 | jsmith | I've been using one for a year... great stuff |
| 01:26.48 | mindjuju | i'm jealous! |
| 01:26.50 | jsmith | Just make sure it supports the pcmcia (or usb) adapter you're planning on using |
| 01:26.55 | mindjuju | who do you get mobile broadband thorugh? |
| 01:27.04 | jsmith | No, don't be jealous... it's my *only* internet connection at home |
| 01:27.16 | jsmith | I use Sprint. |
| 01:27.54 | jsmith | They're less tookey with their terms and conditions than Verizon |
| 01:28.13 | jsmith | (and their tech support dept. has actually been really helpful) |
| 01:28.27 | jsmith | Make sure you get a Rev-A pcmcia card, so you get the faster speeds |
| 01:28.28 | mindjuju | seems like i heard sprint bought nextel, do you know if that is true? |
| 01:28.32 | jsmith | Yes. |
| 01:29.11 | jsmith | Sprint and Nextel have been the same company for over a year. |
| 01:29.24 | mindjuju | i heard good things about nextel |
| 01:29.54 | mindjuju | so, with these various cards they have at sprint, is there really that much difference between them? |
| 01:30.03 | mindjuju | http://nextelonline.nextel.com/NASApp/onlinestore/en/Action/SubmitRegionAction |
| 01:33.31 | jsmith | Nope... I've got the Novatel S720 (and the older PC-5740 card, which had more problems) |
| 02:44.31 | mindjuju | that song by america? |
| 02:47.29 | orsonj | yep |
| 02:48.04 | orsonj | love itlove it, never bought it yet. |
| 02:49.20 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 02:51.47 | orsonj | ~emusic++ |
| 02:52.01 | mindjuju | i used to have service through them a super long time ago |
| 02:52.10 | orsonj | ~dialup-- |
| 02:52.47 | mindjuju | dialup? |
| 02:53.01 | orsonj | Yeah, they don't have much selection, but they have enough good stuff to keep me hooked for now. |
| 02:53.14 | mindjuju | they used to have decent techno |
| 02:53.19 | mindjuju | don't remember why i left them |
| 02:53.46 | orsonj | 1.3 of 6.8 at 3.1KB/s |
| 02:54.08 | orsonj | probably because you have to remember to download stuff every month. |
| 02:54.10 | mindjuju | wow, haven't seen speeds like that in a long time |
| 02:54.29 | orsonj | If you don't you hate them for a month or so |
| 02:55.32 | orsonj | Yeah, those speeds byte, but it keeps my web development lite. |
| 02:55.44 | mindjuju | i bet |
| 02:56.37 | orsonj | It is cool to have a website that is almost as fast as google. |
| 02:56.48 | mindjuju | is yours gzipped? |
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| 02:57.33 | orsonj | Is what bzipped? |
| 02:58.01 | mindjuju | ~wiki gzip |
| 02:58.02 | orsonj | err, whatever |
| 02:58.30 | mindjuju | psh, that was worth while |
| 02:58.45 | mindjuju | the page is compressed to help it travel faster |
| 02:59.11 | orsonj | I know what gzip is, were you talking about the server pushing gzip content. |
| 02:59.28 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 02:59.32 | mindjuju | http://www.httprevealer.com/usage_gzip.htm |
| 02:59.56 | orsonj | I don't think I have compression enabled. |
| 03:00.11 | mindjuju | are you using apache web server? |
| 03:00.19 | mindjuju | gzip is suppose to be real easy using apache |
| 03:01.09 | orsonj | well, right now its using a hosted site. 1and1 |
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| 03:02.01 | orsonj | the performance is pretty good for now. If this thing goes well, I'll probably be looking into other optimizing stuff |
| 03:02.22 | mindjuju | is this that ajax site you wrote about? |
| 03:02.58 | orsonj | yep |
| 03:03.20 | mindjuju | coolio |
| 03:04.24 | orsonj | It is essentialy working, but there are some things that could improve the usability. |
| 03:04.34 | orsonj | Mainly we need to build all the content |
| 03:05.04 | orsonj | I need to work on my calculus and physics though |
| 03:05.33 | mindjuju | sounds like fun |
| 03:06.20 | orsonj | It has been a lot of fun so far. Doing all the content will be somewhat repetative though. |
| 03:06.59 | orsonj | Anyway, time for a break. I'm going to eat dinner, then probably be back for a bit again. |
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| 03:27.09 | thebigdog | evening all |
| 03:27.30 | mindjuju | sup |
| 03:34.21 | thebigdog | just emails tonight...now for some work |
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| 03:43.02 | PoeticIntensity | ~rlart |
| 03:43.03 | jbot | does a little 'renice 20 -u synic' |
| 03:43.12 | thebigdog | ~lart PoeticIntensity |
| 03:43.12 | jbot | raises middle finger to PoeticIntensity |
| 03:43.17 | PoeticIntensity | OL |
| 03:43.17 | PoeticIntensity | lol |
| 03:43.18 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 03:43.18 | mindjuju | heh |
| 03:43.20 | mindjuju | nice |
| 03:43.23 | thebigdog | ouch that was wicked good |
| 03:43.28 | mindjuju | sup PoeticIntensity ? |
| 03:43.29 | PoeticIntensity | yes... yes it was. |
| 03:43.31 | thebigdog | .|.. jbot |
| 03:43.37 | PoeticIntensity | wow... I didn't know all-ya'll were on so late. |
| 03:43.42 | PoeticIntensity | we should go do something. :) |
| 03:43.45 | mindjuju | did you do the Grand Central thing? |
| 03:43.47 | thebigdog | mindjuju and i are always on |
| 03:43.53 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 03:43.55 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, yes... yes I did. |
| 03:43.58 | PoeticIntensity | although I haven't joined yet. |
| 03:44.11 | PoeticIntensity | I did *star* the gmail message, though. |
| 03:44.28 | PoeticIntensity | so, thebigdog, how many meetings do you actually attend? |
| 03:44.30 | thebigdog | i was just responding to orsonj's email |
| 03:44.37 | mindjuju | yeah, thebigdog and I were on late enough that some dude from Belgium showed up and needed some help |
| 03:44.38 | PoeticIntensity | I responded as well. |
| 03:44.47 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, wow. |
| 03:44.48 | thebigdog | mindjuju, that was kinda funny |
| 03:45.00 | mindjuju | yeah, good times |
| 03:45.10 | PoeticIntensity | and FWIW, thebigdog, I totally agree with your last statement in that email... |
| 03:45.10 | thebigdog | he was kinda funny |
| 03:45.23 | PoeticIntensity | why in the world do people adhere to this trend to over-complicate things? |
| 03:45.28 | thebigdog | yeah...i hope i didnt come across attacking him |
| 03:45.31 | PoeticIntensity | nah. |
| 03:45.46 | PoeticIntensity | but... then again, it takes quite a bit to offend me..... so... I'm not a good "attack-o-meter". |
| 03:45.47 | mindjuju | well, ya'll know orsonj is the email author |
| 03:45.47 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, i agree...so many do it |
| 03:46.00 | thebigdog | mindjuju, yeah |
| 03:46.15 | PoeticIntensity | alright, guys... |
| 03:46.19 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, i attend when i can...but it is hard for me to find the time...i am a very busy guy |
| 03:46.30 | PoeticIntensity | true dat, thebigdog. |
| 03:46.36 | PoeticIntensity | married with kids is the uber-time-consumer. |
| 03:46.44 | thebigdog | i run 4 companies, married and kides |
| 03:46.46 | mindjuju | true that |
| 03:46.52 | PoeticIntensity | wow... 4 companies? |
| 03:46.55 | PoeticIntensity | you work from home? |
| 03:46.56 | thebigdog | joking |
| 03:46.58 | mindjuju | yeah, i didn't know that |
| 03:46.59 | mindjuju | oh |
| 03:47.00 | thebigdog | only 1 from home |
| 03:47.12 | PoeticIntensity | ~slap thebigdog |
| 03:47.13 | jbot | ACTION slaps thebigdog, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 03:47.13 | mindjuju | i run 2 departments and wife and child |
| 03:47.17 | thebigdog | but i got the day job that is very intense |
| 03:47.22 | mindjuju | but I have a padawan and htat helps |
| 03:47.32 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i wish i had one |
| 03:47.37 | PoeticIntensity | I'm also a loner. |
| 03:47.43 | PoeticIntensity | the 1 web dev of a company of 500+ |
| 03:47.45 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 03:47.47 | thebigdog | i run an 11tb disk farm of images |
| 03:47.49 | mindjuju | yeah, i actually have approval for a part timer, i think i'm going to fill pretty soon |
| 03:47.52 | thebigdog | that is worth a tons of $$$ |
| 03:48.03 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, wow. |
| 03:48.06 | PoeticIntensity | 11tb? |
| 03:48.09 | mindjuju | yeah, there goes thebigdog pulling out his servers again |
| 03:48.14 | thebigdog | lol |
| 03:48.19 | thebigdog | i need to get some more pics |
| 03:48.19 | mindjuju | cause he knows nobody here can top that, xcept maybe jsmith |
| 03:48.21 | PoeticIntensity | I suppose it has to have an uptime of like... 110% |
| 03:48.26 | thebigdog | we are thinking of colo right now though |
| 03:48.39 | thebigdog | nope i wish it did |
| 03:48.47 | mindjuju | i love colo |
| 03:48.49 | thebigdog | we are having major cooling problems and power issues |
| 03:48.58 | PoeticIntensity | is that in your arena too? |
| 03:49.00 | thebigdog | clearfield is not a good city for power |
| 03:49.09 | thebigdog | no but i have to deal with it |
| 03:49.16 | PoeticIntensity | ah.. fun. |
| 03:49.22 | mindjuju | sooo funny that you mention cooling probs, i've got 2 production servers in my office and it gets hot as h3ll in here |
| 03:49.26 | thebigdog | our cooling system has been leaking for a week...and i have to coordinate |
| 03:49.28 | PoeticIntensity | heh... deal with "power went out... why did the servers go down?" |
| 03:49.40 | mindjuju | have to have fans blowing and everything so it's loud |
| 03:49.42 | thebigdog | yeah it sucks |
| 03:49.49 | PoeticIntensity | alright.... |
| 03:49.49 | thebigdog | mindjuju, that is funny |
| 03:49.54 | PoeticIntensity | I think it's time to cut the veil. |
| 03:50.00 | PoeticIntensity | I've been working on a site, and I need your opinions.... |
| 03:50.06 | PoeticIntensity | not necessarily on the content, but... |
| 03:50.12 | mindjuju | then i compensate by having my comp plugged straight to a stereo to blare over the fans |
| 03:50.12 | PoeticIntensity | design / functionality / etc.... |
| 03:50.25 | mindjuju | yeah, what you got PI ? |
| 03:50.30 | thebigdog | mindjuju, that is nice...i rock in my office |
| 03:50.32 | thebigdog | i dont care |
| 03:50.40 | PoeticIntensity | rock and ROLL. |
| 03:51.01 | mindjuju | well, let's just say it this way, i can SEE the soundwaves travel through the aquarium |
| 03:51.01 | PoeticIntensity | www.ilovemyjournal.com |
| 03:51.07 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 03:51.08 | PoeticIntensity | nice. |
| 03:52.03 | mindjuju | nice! |
| 03:52.05 | mindjuju | nothing like a fan! |
| 03:52.06 | mindjuju | It really rocks because my husband built it and he's like ... super smart.... and super cool... and super AWESOME. |
| 03:52.21 | PoeticIntensity | heh... yea. |
| 03:52.39 | PoeticIntensity | it's still like.... in hiding.... |
| 03:52.44 | PoeticIntensity | so I had to have her test out an additional account. |
| 03:52.59 | thebigdog | haha |
| 03:53.19 | PoeticIntensity | man....... For some reason, having you two look at this makes me nervous. |
| 03:53.37 | PoeticIntensity | I'm watching the logs create trails of fire, they're moving so fast. |
| 03:54.15 | PoeticIntensity | the "calendar" only works on the non-public stuff.... (public = blogs, private = journals) |
| 03:54.23 | mindjuju | heh |
| 03:54.37 | PoeticIntensity | although, it will soon function with the public stuff, too.. |
| 03:54.40 | thebigdog | make all breadcrumb trails work...the home need to take you somewhere |
| 03:54.50 | thebigdog | or dont have it in the breadcrumb |
| 03:55.01 | thebigdog | im going to be honest with ay |
| 03:55.05 | PoeticIntensity | breadcrumb trail was built long before the site had the calendar. |
| 03:55.14 | PoeticIntensity | please do, thebigdog. |
| 03:55.29 | PoeticIntensity | I currently know of about 10 things that either don't make sense, or is flat-out broken now... |
| 03:55.35 | PoeticIntensity | so... we'll see if you can find anything else |
| 03:55.51 | thebigdog | paging should be right above the material |
| 03:55.58 | thebigdog | i would put search above the paging |
| 03:55.58 | PoeticIntensity | oh? |
| 03:56.04 | thebigdog | and add paging at bottom too |
| 03:56.14 | PoeticIntensity | paging can get .... kinda crazy... |
| 03:56.21 | thebigdog | like have it own section |
| 03:56.27 | thebigdog | cluttered next ot search |
| 03:56.29 | PoeticIntensity | I currently have like... 2900 entries, so.. the pagination goes up to like .... 600. |
| 03:56.43 | thebigdog | that is fine |
| 03:56.54 | thebigdog | date range is fine |
| 03:57.10 | thebigdog | fyi i always add a jump to page |
| 03:57.18 | PoeticIntensity | with drop-down? |
| 03:57.22 | PoeticIntensity | or text? |
| 03:57.25 | thebigdog | text |
| 03:57.35 | thebigdog | so they can add like 10 or 15 |
| 03:57.42 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
| 03:58.09 | thebigdog | yeah the search and paging is kinda cluttered |
| 03:58.23 | mindjuju | what the freak! |
| 03:58.25 | PoeticIntensity | I battle with my pet-peeve with that. |
| 03:58.37 | mindjuju | k, what's this all about: |
| 03:58.38 | thebigdog | and the blog: poeticintensity heading |
| 03:58.38 | mindjuju | I hit 135 in 4th gear and was just about crapping my pants, but I knew she could give more. When I shifted to 5th, I felt a pretty hefty lack of power, when compared to the previous gear. She got up to 145 and I didn't want to wait to accelerate any more. She wasn't even close to red-lining, but if she was still accelerating, I couldn't feel it, and I was pretty uhh.... ready to slow down. heh.. So... I got my 2007 Mustang GT up to 14 |
| 03:58.42 | thebigdog | nto sure that works there |
| 03:59.04 | mindjuju | is that true PI? |
| 03:59.09 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, have you looked at search highlighting |
| 03:59.22 | thebigdog | might be good with the amount of data you have |
| 03:59.26 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, the header is still under scrutiny... heh. |
| 03:59.28 | thebigdog | if i could throw this out too |
| 03:59.40 | thebigdog | check out zend framework lucene |
| 03:59.41 | PoeticIntensity | and yes... thebigdog, I'm gonna implement full-text indexing sometime.. |
| 03:59.52 | PoeticIntensity | I'll have to check that out... |
| 03:59.56 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, yes... it's true. |
| 03:59.59 | thebigdog | that might be better depending on how you are saving data? |
| 04:00.04 | PoeticIntensity | here's proof.... |
| 04:00.11 | PoeticIntensity | the entry is is a text in PG. |
| 04:00.22 | mindjuju | dude, it was crazy cool |
| 04:00.52 | PoeticIntensity | http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=mustangs+salt+flats |
| 04:00.56 | PoeticIntensity | the first link is me and my little brother. |
| 04:01.03 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, lucene is a searching utility that rocks...zend framework guys created a php version |
| 04:01.07 | thebigdog | might be worth something |
| 04:01.10 | thebigdog | just an idea |
| 04:01.15 | PoeticIntensity | I'll definitely look into it. |
| 04:01.47 | mindjuju | oh, how funny, somebody took a rental to the salt flats to have fun -- http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6652726499294660605&q=mustangs+salt+flats&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2 |
| 04:01.57 | PoeticIntensity | http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8492664353943935331&q=mustangs+salt+flats&total=18&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 |
| 04:02.03 | PoeticIntensity | that's the day I wrote that entry. |
| 04:02.54 | mindjuju | good choice on the tunes - satch rox |
| 04:03.00 | PoeticIntensity | the black mustang is me :) |
| 04:03.10 | PoeticIntensity | oh yeah... I love Joe Satriani... |
| 04:03.27 | mindjuju | dude, your in good company then |
| 04:03.34 | thebigdog | mindjuju, what satri albums you have? |
| 04:03.34 | mindjuju | thebigdog and I love guitar stuff |
| 04:03.41 | mindjuju | dude! |
| 04:03.46 | mindjuju | that's a heck of a spin out |
| 04:03.53 | mindjuju | all i think |
| 04:04.02 | thebigdog | i might have to hork some from ya |
| 04:04.03 | mindjuju | thebigdog, check out PI video |
| 04:04.21 | thebigdog | if you like satri check out blues saraceno |
| 04:04.24 | thebigdog | he is good |
| 04:04.28 | thebigdog | marty friedman rocks too |
| 04:04.45 | thebigdog | gary hoey is a maniac too |
| 04:05.01 | thebigdog | and let us not forget jason becker |
| 04:05.04 | thebigdog | what a talent |
| 04:05.33 | mindjuju | PoeticIntensity, are you pulling the emergency brake to get those spinouts? |
| 04:05.38 | PoeticIntensity | nope.... |
| 04:05.53 | PoeticIntensity | I was doing about 70 in 3rd...... I'd just gun it. |
| 04:06.01 | PoeticIntensity | the salt was slippery enough to make it spin out. |
| 04:06.02 | mindjuju | dude, that flyby at 3:09, you must have been flyin |
| 04:06.18 | PoeticIntensity | heh.. yeah... That was around 140. |
| 04:07.27 | mindjuju | you know. when you advertise, you got to show your strengths. I think if Ford showed these vids and had something in the end that said "try that in a prius" they'd sell more cars |
| 04:07.43 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 04:07.44 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 04:07.49 | PoeticIntensity | it's such a blast.... |
| 04:08.03 | PoeticIntensity | cleanup is... nasty. |
| 04:08.18 | PoeticIntensity | but well worth it. |
| 04:08.22 | mindjuju | i'm going to send this to my wife and tell her that we need to upgrade the ole family truckster |
| 04:08.33 | PoeticIntensity | hehe..... |
| 04:10.22 | mindjuju | that Doppler effect at 7:25 is pretty cool, hearing the car come towards the camera |
| 04:10.48 | mindjuju | oh no! somebody overheated! |
| 04:11.18 | PoeticIntensity | yup... |
| 04:11.19 | PoeticIntensity | my bro did. |
| 04:11.22 | mindjuju | k, all done, i'm sending it to my wife |
| 04:11.27 | mindjuju | oh, that was your bro? |
| 04:11.43 | PoeticIntensity | if you watch under the car at 7:48, you can see smoke. |
| 04:11.57 | PoeticIntensity | his clutch totally burned out.... (not completely, but close) |
| 04:12.06 | PoeticIntensity | and around that time, he overheated, too. |
| 04:12.20 | mindjuju | yuck, clutch can be expensive |
| 04:12.26 | mindjuju | @ thebigdog , tell me what ya need bro, i got tunes |
| 04:12.29 | PoeticIntensity | yeah, but he does all his work himself.... |
| 04:12.35 | PoeticIntensity | to, no biggie. |
| 04:12.37 | PoeticIntensity | so... no biggie. |
| 04:13.18 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i might need some satri |
| 04:13.23 | thebigdog | i lost most of mine |
| 04:13.41 | mindjuju | k, let me get some stuff for ya |
| 04:13.47 | thebigdog | k |
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| 04:20.11 | mindjuju | thebigdog , sent you PM |
| 04:20.20 | thebigdog | k |
| 04:20.27 | mindjuju | tell me if you got it, freenode thought i was flooding ya so it kicked me off |
| 04:20.46 | thebigdog | lol damn them |
| 04:22.53 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, thank you for your advice on ilovemyjournal.com |
| 04:22.56 | PoeticIntensity | I'm outta here. |
| 04:23.06 | mindjuju | cya |
| 04:34.16 | mindjuju | can you have 2 A records pointing to the same IP? |
| 04:34.32 | thebigdog | sure |
| 04:34.42 | mindjuju | k, that's what i thought |
| 04:38.00 | mindjuju | dude! for some reason this FTP transfer keeps hanging up after 120mb |
| 05:16.44 | mindjuju | thebigdog , do you have a place for me to send it to, my ftp spot keeps throwing errors |
| 05:19.45 | thebigdog | i dont have a server |
| 05:19.59 | thebigdog | let me check somehting real fast |
| 05:20.04 | mindjuju | k |
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| 14:06.45 | orsonj | mornin' all |
| 14:07.11 | beandog | buenas |
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| 14:33.04 | orsonj | odd, I can't get the jquery hello world to work |
| 14:38.16 | orsonj | no errors show up in the javascript console |
| 14:38.40 | orsonj | http://docs.jquery.com/How_jQuery_Works |
| 14:45.57 | orsonj | well, this line works: $(document).ready(function(){ alert("Document Loaded"); }); |
| 14:46.31 | orsonj | but this one doesn't: $("a").click(function(){ alert("Thanks for visiting!"); }); |
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| 15:01.10 | orsonj | apparently there is a bug with .click in the current version |
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| 15:08.30 | thebigdog | mindjuju, that download i got from was corrupted |
| 15:09.17 | unum | so I am writing an ajax+php+postgresql application and I have a bunch of columns that I am displaying in my app. One of the columns is sometimes calculated from two of the other columns and sometimes it is hand entered |
| 15:09.53 | thebigdog | unum what do you mean by calculated by 2 other columns? |
| 15:10.07 | unum | the calculated value is to be used unless a value has been hand entered |
| 15:10.14 | unum | thebigdog: a/b = c |
| 15:10.29 | thebigdog | usually calculated fields are not saved to the database |
| 15:11.03 | unum | I was thinking I could leave the calculated field null in the database unless it was hand entered |
| 15:11.27 | unum | and then calculate it while generating the xml file to send back to the app if that field is null |
| 15:11.37 | unum | I didn't type that clearly |
| 15:12.13 | unum | in the script that creates the xml file that the application uses to populate it's table. I will check for a null value in the field. if it is null I'll calculate the value and send that |
| 15:12.21 | unum | if it is not null I send the stored value |
| 15:12.58 | thebigdog | how often will they enter that value in? |
| 15:13.04 | unum | no idea |
| 15:13.16 | unum | I guess that's not true. I have some idea |
| 15:13.27 | unum | maybe 10% of the time |
| 15:13.34 | unum | which would be a couple times a day |
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| 15:21.53 | mgeary | Dream Academy++ |
| 15:31.20 | thebigdog | ~wake mindjuju |
| 15:31.21 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 15:48.20 | mgeary | can anyone here sell me on Eclipse? anyone? anyone? |
| 15:48.35 | wps | no, you want Coda |
| 15:49.03 | mgeary | wps: you're a mac guy and you use Coda, not TextMate? :) |
| 15:49.14 | wps | absolutely |
| 15:49.26 | wps | Coda is the best editor that I have ever used |
| 15:49.47 | thebigdog | mgeary, its not a matter of selling, but a matter of what you are needing |
| 15:50.17 | mgeary | now *that*'s a hard sell ;) |
| 15:50.23 | mgeary | yeah, i just can't ever find any compelling in these IDEs |
| 15:50.29 | mgeary | *anyTHING* |
| 15:51.22 | thebigdog | really depends on the person and what you need to accomplish |
| 15:51.36 | thebigdog | my selling point is that i use eclipse on windows and linux |
| 15:51.43 | thebigdog | so i need something that robust on each |
| 15:51.47 | thebigdog | eclipse can do it for me |
| 15:52.02 | thebigdog | i need to use a lot of langs and eclipse can support it for me |
| 15:52.06 | wps | for me, an IDE is _way_ over kill |
| 15:52.08 | mgeary | i like to check in on IBM's Developer Works website, and it's always singing about Eclipse, but it's a very Java-centric site... |
| 15:52.09 | wps | all I need is an editor |
| 15:52.17 | thebigdog | and the team sync feature is the test thing i have ever used |
| 15:52.18 | mgeary | wps: yeah |
| 15:52.19 | wps | but I don't do the same kind/level of programming that thebigdog does |
| 15:52.30 | beandog | mgeary: me neither. |
| 15:52.48 | wps | I am sick and tired of the janitor throwing my water bottles away |
| 15:53.05 | wps | if it's not in the trash… it's not trash |
| 15:53.09 | beandog | put vasoline on em. |
| 15:53.10 | thebigdog | i have used kate and other editors on linux...but i require more...so that is where my requirements are different |
| 15:53.36 | wps | my space bar is squeaky today |
| 15:53.43 | wps | very annoying |
| 15:53.45 | thebigdog | mgeary, and i do alot of java programming too |
| 15:54.11 | thebigdog | to me coda is very similar to kate |
| 15:54.34 | thebigdog | the only diff i see is that it offers great svn/cvs support that looks better than kate |
| 15:56.10 | mgeary | 'course, i am under the impression that Eclipse is sucky slow on OS X |
| 15:56.30 | thebigdog | there are issues that have not been resolved with eclipse on mac |
| 15:56.33 | jsmith | It's sucky slow on Linux as well... |
| 15:56.38 | thebigdog | the threading is one |
| 15:56.46 | thebigdog | and the swt engine has problems |
| 15:56.49 | thebigdog | that they have not fixed |
| 15:56.55 | jsmith | One thread to rule the world, and in the slowness bind them? |
| 15:58.35 | tierra | I'm pretty sure Eclipse was a Java-specific IDE at first for a long time |
| 16:00.34 | jsmith | Yup |
| 16:00.39 | wps | that's interesting that it's an editor for the language that it was written in |
| 16:00.47 | wps | someone should write a PHP editor in PHP |
| 16:01.50 | beandog | oh gosh, no |
| 16:02.04 | wps | :) |
| 16:02.17 | beandog | ~soap wps |
| 16:02.18 | jbot | ACTION washes wps's mouth out with a fat bar of pink soap |
| 16:02.21 | jsmith | wps: What's even funner is writing a compiler for a language in the language being compiled |
| 16:02.57 | wps | a javascript editor written in javascript? |
| 16:03.09 | orsonj | uh, gcc |
| 16:03.17 | wps | ~gcc |
| 16:03.18 | jbot | it has been said that gcc is the GNU Compiler Collection, http://gcc.gnu.org/ |
| 16:03.25 | orsonj | they considered that a major accomplishment |
| 16:04.02 | jsmith | Yes... bootstrapping a compiler for a new language is always fun... |
| 16:04.39 | tierra | gcc has one crazy build system that compiles itself, and then rechecks itself, then recompiles again, does some additional optimizations, etc... not your average C++ project, that's for sure |
| 16:05.02 | mgeary | pssh |
| 16:05.05 | mgeary | wimps |
| 16:05.16 | beandog | yah but it cant compile my php scripts |
| 16:05.56 | thebigdog | jsmith, the java compiler is not written in java though |
| 16:06.14 | jsmith | thebigdog: For several obvious reasons :-) |
| 16:06.33 | thebigdog | mainly that you want to run on all archs |
| 16:06.40 | jsmith | Funny... the C# compilers from both Mono and Microsoft are written in C# |
| 16:06.57 | unum | the current list thread reminded me I still had to copy the dev version of one of my sites over |
| 16:07.06 | unum | my brother had written the old site using frames |
| 16:07.12 | unum | frames are now gone |
| 16:08.03 | jsmith | I can haz no framez? |
| 16:08.44 | beandog | lol |
| 16:09.05 | mgeary | im eatin' ur framz |
| 16:09.06 | unum | the it manager here like the eclipse |
| 16:09.33 | unum | if I ever learn to use gdb eclipse will be less tempting |
| 16:10.08 | unum | there are two things I like about ide's, built in debugging and auto sense |
| 16:10.19 | unum | I've heard a rumer that vim now has has auto sense |
| 16:10.43 | thebigdog | unum, gdb is supported in eclipse |
| 16:11.24 | unum | thebigdog: I guess I meant to say if I ever learn to use gdb from the cli |
| 16:38.37 | thebigdog | unum, np |
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| 18:22.20 | jsmith-busy | Who's the SQL Server expert in here? |
| 18:22.27 | mgeary | eww. MSSQL? |
| 18:22.31 | jsmith-busy | Yeah... |
| 18:22.38 | mgeary | seems like herlo had some experience with that |
| 18:22.39 | mgeary | <gack> |
| 18:22.43 | jsmith-busy | I hate even asking questions like that... makes me feel all icky inside. |
| 18:22.45 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:22.51 | mgeary | you can shower afterwards |
| 18:22.53 | jsmith-busy | Trying to help a friend... |
| 18:29.58 | herlo | mgeary: not me |
| 18:30.12 | herlo | mgeary: never touched mssql - eck |
| 18:30.38 | mgeary | hmm, who was it... |
| 18:30.51 | mgeary | ah well. i've repressed it |
| 18:31.08 | mgeary | jsmith-busy: what's the nature of your question? i've got about 3-5 hours of experience, fwiw |
| 18:31.17 | herlo | ~lart mgeary for accusing me of such use of the scourge |
| 18:31.17 | jbot | shoots mgeary in the head for accusing me of such use of the scourge |
| 18:31.50 | jsmith-busy | mgeary: Replication failing... the log reader is working, but the distribution agent doesn't seem to be distributing the records to the slaves |
| 18:32.13 | mgeary | ah, over my head, fortunately |
| 18:32.49 | jsmith-busy | Mine too, obviously |
| 18:35.09 | orsonj | I think PI knew who it wa. |
| 18:35.14 | orsonj | s/wa/was |
| 18:47.51 | dataw0lf | whoa |
| 18:47.57 | dataw0lf | drew carey is the new host of the price is right |
| 18:50.54 | wps | I'm surprised he did it |
| 18:51.09 | wps | seem kind of boring for his taste |
| 18:51.33 | wps | unless they are going to try and revamp the show |
| 18:51.38 | wps | and make it more modern and more exciting |
| 18:51.52 | wps | I just can't see carey being fulfilled personally doing a game show for old ladies |
| 18:56.02 | dataw0lf | ya, I see your point |
| 18:56.11 | dataw0lf | oh, and Illinois has banned smoking in restaraunts and bars |
| 18:56.26 | dataw0lf | ridiculous |
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| 19:24.46 | thebigdog | oh what a really crappy day today |
| 19:25.07 | wps | what's up? |
| 19:25.45 | thebigdog | disk array issues again |
| 19:26.03 | thebigdog | fyi...if you buy a disk array get scsi drives not sata |
| 19:26.44 | mindjuju | yeah, were having issue with SATA in array also |
| 19:28.56 | thebigdog | they should just make bigger scsi drives and i would be fine |
| 19:29.19 | mindjuju | i thought there was some limit to SCSI that prevented that, seems like i read that somewhere |
| 19:31.04 | thebigdog | which ip address? |
| 19:31.13 | thebigdog | is it mine? |
| 19:31.40 | mgeary | 102.146.177.208 -- that's a bad one |
| 19:31.59 | thebigdog | oh that is mine |
| 19:32.05 | mgeary | ;) |
| 19:32.13 | thebigdog | joking |
| 19:32.26 | thebigdog | mindjuju, what is hte ip address? |
| 19:33.55 | thebigdog | oh nie |
| 19:33.59 | thebigdog | i thought it was mine |
| 19:34.22 | mindjuju | yeah, so bastard in the company is probing my servers. not a big fan of that, brb |
| 19:34.35 | thebigdog | yeah that sucks |
| 19:34.40 | thebigdog | i would be pissed |
| 19:34.50 | thebigdog | but then again i like probing :) |
| 19:36.01 | thebigdog | k while he is away, everyone portscan...now |
| 19:36.03 | dataw0lf | or someone has compromised a local server on your end and is attempting to expand |
| 19:36.19 | thebigdog | might be the case |
| 19:36.52 | thebigdog | van halen just rocks |
| 19:51.39 | mindjuju | k, it was just somebody in IT pulling my chain |
| 19:52.16 | mindjuju | with a little Cain & Able |
| 19:53.20 | mindjuju | i mean, i'll get them back with a little Cain and Abel |
| 19:53.21 | timinator | as I recall.... Cain KILLED Able |
| 19:53.35 | timinator | that seems a little severe |
| 19:53.50 | mindjuju | yeah, true that timinator, but Cain and Abel is also a network tool |
| 19:54.20 | timinator | oh, that's good; cause i'd hate to turn you in |
| 19:54.32 | mindjuju | let's just say that I have a nice CD that uses the windows autorun sploit to slip abel into the computer |
| 19:54.39 | mindjuju | then i can remote over with Cain and have good times |
| 19:54.51 | timinator | ah |
| 19:55.12 | mindjuju | goofus prolly has autorun enabled still, so it'll be good times for sure |
| 19:56.04 | timinator | so, what's a guy gotta do to get a copy? |
| 19:56.15 | mindjuju | not really that hard to make timinator. just a DOS script connected to an autoplay. DOS script has some NET commands |
| 19:56.42 | mindjuju | create an account with password, etc, etc, secret sauce, etc, etc |
| 19:57.03 | mindjuju | low level hack for sure, nothing too complex |
| 19:57.07 | timinator | ah |
| 19:57.23 | mindjuju | i'm sure dataw0lf knows funner tricks |
| 19:57.30 | timinator | so it's not using VNC? |
| 19:57.43 | mindjuju | no |
| 19:57.55 | mindjuju | well, what happens is that you get Abel to run as a service on the computer |
| 19:58.05 | mindjuju | then you get to see drives, etc |
| 19:58.06 | mindjuju | no GUI |
| 19:58.23 | timinator | ah |
| 19:58.30 | mindjuju | but you can run progs, and since you can run progs, you could go bo2k |
| 19:58.47 | mindjuju | and then get a visual of the desktop without them being aware |
| 19:59.10 | mindjuju | you know, we should prolly move this to a PM channel |
| 19:59.52 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:00.00 | mindjuju | have you played timinator? |
| 20:00.18 | timinator | not at that level |
| 20:00.21 | timinator | :) |
| 20:01.11 | mindjuju | ah. yeah its fun. and one of the few games I like playing at work since you get some beefy skills |
| 20:01.47 | mindjuju | i need dataw0lf to show me some real tricks |
| 20:04.13 | dataw0lf | tricks for what? |
| 20:04.17 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 20:04.25 | mindjuju | yeah, cool tricks |
| 20:05.06 | mgeary | ~wiki Mt. Hackmore |
| 20:05.19 | mgeary | :) |
| 20:05.34 | mindjuju | Mt Hackmore is like capture the flag but for hackers. You have a computer you defend and the opposing team has one |
| 20:05.43 | mindjuju | you try to compromise their computer while defending yours |
| 20:06.10 | mindjuju | it's an awesome game because you get great skills that you then can defend your network with |
| 20:06.15 | mindjuju | see somethings in action |
| 20:06.39 | dataw0lf | I've never heard the term "Mt. Hackmore" but I've certainly played hacker ctf |
| 20:06.40 | mindjuju | just make sure you don't hurt other comptuers on the network, or shift to a separate subnet |
| 20:06.58 | mindjuju | don't remember where I heard that name, but that's what i've always called it |
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| 21:20.09 | orsonj | well, mootools wasn't too bad. I think I got it working they way I want. |
| 22:12.09 | timinator | k, so I'm trying to make a JS array w/ PHP |
| 22:12.14 | timinator | the data's from a DB |
| 22:12.27 | timinator | and there's single and double quotes |
| 22:12.47 | timinator | and that array is being made into an <option> list on the client side |
| 22:13.05 | timinator | but it's dropping out as soon as it comes across a single quote |
| 22:13.30 | timinator | so, what's the easiest way to remove/convert those quotes |
| 22:13.52 | timinator | preg_replace()? |
| 22:15.18 | dataw0lf | str_replace would be faster |
| 22:16.37 | timinator | right, cause it's not using RE, right? |
| 22:18.29 | dataw0lf | correct |
| 22:18.51 | timinator | cool, thanks |
| 22:20.28 | timinator | is there a way to convert the single quote to something that an <option> tag will recognize? |
| 22:21.12 | timinator | that won't freak out the JS array? |
| 22:27.05 | thebigdog | timinator, cant you just remove them? |
| 22:27.25 | timinator | yes.... that's what I'm doing now. |
| 22:27.45 | timinator | just making sure there's not a way to have my cake and eat it too |
| 22:27.52 | thebigdog | or you might be able to convert to ascii chars |
| 22:28.17 | thebigdog | or ecape them |
| 22:30.12 | thebigdog | if you have dbx installed you could use dbx to escape the qoutes |
| 22:31.26 | thebigdog | or since you are a mysql user - mysql_escape_string |
| 22:33.58 | thebigdog | um biscuits and gravy |
| 22:34.25 | thebigdog | ~whip timinator |
| 22:34.25 | jbot | ACTION takes timinator outside to be thoroughly whipped by thebigdog |
| 22:34.38 | thebigdog | or use htmlspecialchars |
| 22:34.43 | thebigdog | or addslashes |
| 22:34.48 | thebigdog | or addcslashes |
| 22:35.09 | timinator | I was escaping them.... that wasn't working |
| 22:35.32 | thebigdog | htmlspecialchars is your friend then |
| 22:36.04 | timinator | the array was built, and was working... but when the JS built the <option> dropdown list, it would run until it hit the first entry w/ a single quote in it and then stop |
| 22:36.24 | thebigdog | y |
| 22:36.31 | thebigdog | ^^ |
| 22:36.48 | thebigdog | i think jsmith should feed us |
| 22:37.20 | timinator | and htmlspecialchars displays the ascii rather than the single quotes |
| 22:37.53 | timinator | it's no big... I'll just remove them w/ str_replace |
| 22:40.01 | thebigdog | timinator, i cant believe you are even working today |
| 22:40.15 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:40.21 | timinator | there ya go again |
| 22:40.28 | timinator | giving me a hard time |
| 22:40.48 | timinator | are you bored big dog? |
| 22:41.38 | thebigdog | yes im a fsck'in a 6tb drive and it takes ssssssssooooooooooooo lllllllllloooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggg |
| 22:43.36 | timinator | ~lart 6TB drives |
| 22:43.36 | jbot | says "boot to the head" and knocks 6TB drives over |
| 22:43.48 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 22:43.48 | jbot | drops a baby grand on thebigdog |
| 22:44.00 | thebigdog | ~lart timinator |
| 22:44.00 | jbot | makes a balloon animal out of timinator |
| 22:44.06 | thebigdog | how fitting |
| 22:44.11 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:44.24 | timinator | .|.. |
| 22:44.28 | thebigdog | i think im going home |
| 22:44.33 | thebigdog | ~.|.. |
| 22:44.35 | timinator | go home |
| 22:44.58 | thebigdog | ~.|.. |
| 22:45.25 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:46.43 | thebigdog | i will i just got one more thing to do |
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| 22:47.18 | timinator | what's that? flip me the bird?!?! |
| 22:47.28 | thebigdog | y |
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| 23:12.08 | mgeary | later folks |
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| 23:25.37 | timinator | I'm out guys... later |
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