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00:01.04mindjujuanybody around?
00:01.08thebigdogy
00:03.13mindjujuwell, quick question on syntax
00:03.28mindjujuthispart.example.com is officially called host header, right?
00:03.44thebigdogthe hostname?
00:04.26mindjujuthought hostname was just the computer name
00:04.33mindjujufor netbios
00:04.45thebigdogk not following your question then?
00:05.08mindjujuwell, on the internet, you can have www.example.com and thispart.example.com
00:06.17mindjujuk, i think i got it
00:06.33thebigdogthose are subdomains
00:07.02mindjujuso, "thispart" is just called the subdomain
00:07.22thebigdogyes or it can be called the hostname too
00:08.37mindjujuk, i was thinking about ftp.example.com whether it should be an a record or a cname, i think i'll make it a cname, since there isn't any advantage in it having its own IP
00:08.52mindjujuand it just uses a good IP for no reason
00:09.42thebigdogaye
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01:23.07herlofqdn
01:23.59herlomindjuju: always use a records unless the domain is on another domain.  a cname causes another lookup of the a record the cname points to, which is essentially wasted cpu cycles...
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03:09.39mindjujuah, 9p -- it's movie time
03:11.14Utah_Davemindjuju: take a break, bro!
03:12.04mindjujuyeah, i need to, but prolly not until 10 or 11p
03:12.34mindjujuwe got a whole new set of IPs, and at the same time, i transfered where our DNS records are stored
03:12.45mindjujuso if i want the site to work on Monday, i need to finish tonight
03:13.02Utah_DaveOh, I see. And it wouldn't be good for the site to be down when the boss gets in to work tomorrow
03:13.22mindjujuexactly
03:13.31mindjujubut i'll take off some day next week to make up
03:13.38mindjujuhow things going for you utah_dave?
03:13.45Utah_Davepretty good. I'm in L.A.
03:13.56Utah_DaveI'm going to miss out on the 24th holiday
03:13.58Utah_Dave:(
03:14.03mindjujureally?  what you doing in L.A. ?
03:14.15Utah_Davebut I'll get to pick another day off when I get back to make up for it
03:14.30Utah_DaveI'm doing some sys admin stuff down here.
03:14.44Utah_Davemaybe a little software customization
03:14.47Utah_Davetroubleshooting
03:14.48Utah_Daveetc
03:14.58mindjujuthat's cool
03:15.04mindjujui wish i traveled for my job
03:15.26Utah_DaveI like it. My wife doesn't like it much
03:16.02mindjujudoes your job require much travel?
03:16.29Utah_DaveI'm out of town about 1 week in 6; on average
03:16.41Utah_DaveIt usually comes and goes in spurts
03:17.22mindjujuoh how cool.  are they hiring?
03:17.26mindjujui'll do anything!
03:17.40mindjujuj/k
03:17.48Utah_Dave:) I'm sure we couldn't afford you
03:19.34mindjujupsh!  i'm cheap!  i'm jealous. i'd love to travel.  
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08:13.11influx^_^Is cake php any good?
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15:36.25mgearyhey all
15:36.35mgearyanyone here reasonably proficient in OS X's launchd?
15:36.56PoeticIntensityI'm a mac zealot....  What questions do you have ?
15:36.57PoeticIntensity;-)
15:37.02mgeary~smack PoeticIntensity
15:37.02jbotACTION smacks PoeticIntensity upside the head.
15:37.05PoeticIntensityLOL
15:37.18PoeticIntensityg'mornin', mgeary.
15:37.23mgearymawnin'
15:38.19PoeticIntensitykill macPorts.
15:38.20PoeticIntensity:)
15:38.26mgearyit's not a program
15:38.29mgearyit's a package manager
15:38.30PoeticIntensityoh....
15:38.44PoeticIntensitywow....  a package manager shouldn't be takin' care of launching anything, IMO.
15:38.45mgearyit appears to have loaded a config into OS X's launchd daemon
15:38.49PoeticIntensityah.
15:38.58mgearylooks like i just need to unload it
15:39.41mgearyyep
15:39.42mgearyapparently so
15:39.44mgearyinteresting
15:40.21mgearyi've heard good things about launchd, but haven't taken the time to figure it out yet. it's quite powerful, i understand. combines the best aspects of cron *and* event-driven event systems
15:41.24mgearyfor the record:
15:41.27mgearysudo launchctl unload /opt/local/etc/LaunchDaemons/org.macports.proftpd/org.macports.proftpd.plist
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16:14.14beandogbuenas
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16:32.26beandogis everyone on vacation or something?  slackers!
16:39.29thebigdogheavens no
16:42.12beandoganyone else got tomorrow off?
16:42.40beandogbuh
16:42.51beandoggotta love having state holidays
16:42.55beandogand a job that actually gives them off.
16:48.57SunSparcmgeary:  Thanks for the offer.
16:49.02SunSparcI will have to pass.
16:52.56thebigdogwhat are you wanting to chat about?
16:54.56SunSparc:)  Nothing, just ignoring mgeary's berating comments.
16:55.04mgearyheh
16:55.08SunSparc:)
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16:57.34thebigdogeven better
16:57.48thebigdogim just working on emails as i compile some new versions of gdal
17:10.48SunSparcI though you were a hunter
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17:36.59mgearyoy
17:37.20mgearyanyone know offhand how to configure mysql so it doesn't spawn so many processes?
17:37.57wpsget it neutered
17:38.01mgearyi'm getting "no processes available" errors on my Fibernet/Verio VPS
17:38.46jsmithmgeary: Can't you control that in my.cnf?
17:38.50mgearywell yeah
17:38.55mgearyjust not sure of the syntax offhand
17:47.16PoeticIntensitywow.... I've never heard of "no processes available"
17:47.21PoeticIntensityhrm....
17:47.31PoeticIntensityI haven't really run any crazy high-load servers, either.
17:47.43mgeary...or been slapped by Verios (unrealistic?) limits
17:47.53mgearyapparently i'm capped at 70 processes
17:47.58PoeticIntensityI've never used Verio...
17:48.02mgearywhich seems rather low
17:48.03PoeticIntensityalways house my servers in my basement. :)
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19:50.04mgearyso can anyone explain to me what it is that tells mysqld to spawn a new unix process of itself? the folks over at #mysql are silent on that
19:50.21mgearyi understand when & how apache's httpd does it, and i understand where & how to manage that
19:50.32mgearybut i find no corollary in mysql
19:51.27beandogas far as controlling it? or just understanding why / what determines it forking
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19:52.20mgearyboth
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19:52.52mgearyi've got one server that handles a LOT of connections all with one process. I've got another server that handles *not as many* connections, and it regularly has 15+ mysqld processes
19:52.56SunSparc~yow
19:53.31SunSparcmgeary: are they different versions?
19:53.42mgearyalmost certainly
19:53.49SunSparcmgeary:  how are they launched?  (what command and when?)
19:54.00SunSparcWhat versions are they?
19:54.17mgearyserver A (one mysqld process): sh ./bin/mysqld_safe
19:54.57mgearyserver B (lots o' processes): /bin/sh /usr/local/bin/mysqld_safe --user=mysql --datadir=/var/db/mysql --pid-file=/var/db/mysql/my_domain.com.pid
19:55.58mgearyand yes, i can output the "show variables" of each, but there are likely to be so many differences, that it's unlikely i'll find something conclusive.
19:56.36SunSparcIs server A > version 4 and server B <= version 4?
19:57.18mgearyserver A: /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql  Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.20, for apple-darwin6.8 (powerpc)
19:57.29mgearyserver B: /usr/local/mysql/bin/mysql  Ver 12.22 Distrib 4.0.23a, for unknown-freebsd4.7 (i386)
19:57.36mgearypretty dang similar
19:57.42mgearyexcept for OS
19:59.07_psychic_commit log for rev 4.0.21: Break stuff. Done.
19:59.36mgeary??
20:08.22mindjuju~rlart
20:08.23jboteats jnbek and falls over dead
20:08.50mgeary~rlart mindjuju for not answering mgeary's mysql questions
20:09.08mindjujuyou can't rlart a specific person
20:09.12mindjujuyou can only do this
20:09.14mgeary~lart mindjuju for not answering mgeary's mysql questions
20:09.14jbotlowers mindjuju's priority for not answering mgeary's mysql questions
20:09.15mindjuju~lart mgeary
20:09.15jbotexecutes killall -TERM mgeary
20:09.36mindjujui didn't see your sql question
20:09.40mindjujuwhat and when?
20:09.48mgearynot *sql*, *mysql*
20:10.13mindjujuwhat was question?
20:10.19mgeary"so can anyone explain to me what it is that tells mysqld to spawn a new unix process of itself? the folks over at #mysql are silent on that"
20:10.38mindjujuoh, that's easy
20:10.39mindjuju42
20:12.07mgearywell what do you know...!
20:12.19mgearythat fixed it
20:12.50mgearyoh wait. nope. there it is again
20:13.14beandogIm sure its a combination of all the settings based on buffers, memory, and all that crap.
20:13.18SunSparcAt a probability factor of 385716253477563346 to 1
20:14.14SunSparcOn one I am running version 3 and the other is version 5.
20:14.20SunSparcBoth running as single daemons
20:14.28SunSparcSeems to be a setting
20:16.45SunSparcby the way, typing "mysql --version" at the command line gives a different version than logging into the mysql server "mysql -u user -p".
20:18.16beandogreally?
20:19.11SunSparcIt does on one of my servers.
20:19.42SunSparcPerhaps the first is just the version of the client.
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20:20.53mgearyquick poll: is anyone working on a server with mysql that has more than one mysqld process?
20:21.21jsmithmgeary: Checking...
20:21.37jsmithmgeary: (Or is this some sneaky method of getting me to admit I still run MySQL on a couple of servers?)
20:26.08jsmithmgeary: One mysqld process, and one mysqld_safe process
20:26.20mgearyyep. that's typical of what i'm seeing
20:26.24mgearyon my other servers
20:26.33mgearyso i'm wondering if this one server is just whacked
20:32.18mindjujumgeary, not a lot of info on this, but i have found something interesting.  tell me if it applies
20:32.19mindjujuhttp://forums.mysql.com/read.php?35,49782,49782
20:35.03mgearyreading
20:35.56mgearyhmmm
20:36.11mindjujuyeah, seems like shot in the dark
20:36.57mindjujujust doesn't seem to be a common enough question.  in searching, i even found the bot log of when you asked the question on july 23 and nobody answered, though they answered somebody else's question
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20:38.05PoeticIntensityI just checked my server.... and it seems that I'm running one daemon process that spawn additional mysql processes which are connection-specific.
20:38.23PoeticIntensityas soon as the connection is through, the spawned process disappears.
20:38.35PoeticIntensitymine isn't running mysqld_safe, either.
20:39.29PoeticIntensityFWIW.
20:39.36mgearyhm
20:40.52mindjujuyou know, you may want to ask jsmith , he was just telling me the other day that he helped run one of the largest mysql farms.  he may know, or know somebody who might
20:43.25thebigdogman it is killer hot outside
20:43.54thebigdogPoeticIntensity, what is your issue?
20:44.27PoeticIntensityno issue, thebigdog, just responding to mgeary's request for info.
20:44.57thebigdogoh
20:45.03PoeticIntensity~lart thebigdog
20:45.03jbottakes out a cattle prod and gives thebigdog a good jolt
20:45.07PoeticIntensitytee hee
20:45.17thebigdog~melvin PoeticIntensity
20:45.17jbotACTION pulls PoeticIntensity underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles
20:45.28PoeticIntensitywipe that grin off, Mr. jbot.
20:45.39PoeticIntensitybrb... gotta wedgie.
20:45.39mgearyhey, is there a way to do the equivalent of "apachectl graceful" to restart mysql? what do you all do to restart mysql?
20:45.55thebigdogkill -9
20:45.59thebigdogi like that rap
20:46.01PoeticIntensityLOL
20:46.10thebigdogmgeary, hup it
20:46.10PoeticIntensity/etc/init.d/mysqld restart
20:46.13PoeticIntensitywoot!
20:46.19mgearyhup works? cool
20:46.35thebigdogwhat os you running mgeary
20:46.42mgearyfreebsd in this case
20:46.53thebigdogoh rm -fr then on that
20:47.02mgearyah, well then
20:47.17thebigdogi swear i have a client that runs the oldest freebsd and i hate it
20:48.01mindjuju~tunafart thebigdog
20:48.02jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to thebigdog, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
20:48.12SunSparcif you are on a verio server then there is a script in:  /usr/local/etc/rc.d
20:48.14mindjujupresent for ya thebigdog
20:48.16thebigdogoh that is my next one
20:48.26thebigdog~fart mindjuju
20:48.27jbotACTION farts in mindjuju's general direction
20:48.35mgearySunSparc: thanks
20:48.40SunSparc:)
20:49.26thebigdog~whalefart mindjuju
20:49.38mgearydoh!
20:50.34mgearyshort of killing the terminal session, anyone know of a way to "get out" of the mysqld process if you don't background it?
20:50.48_psychic_walk away from your computer
20:50.59_psychic_(I don't think there is one)
20:51.02mgeary^Z seems to work
20:51.08mgearyi was worried that would freeze it
20:51.10mgearybut it seems to be okay
20:55.15jsmithControl-
20:55.24jsmithControl-Z, then type "bg" to run it in the background
20:58.41mgearybg, heh. i knew about "fg", but not "bg". that's great
20:58.56mgearythough as i mentioned ^, it seems to survive just fine just being "suspended"
20:59.01mgearygo figure
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21:02.47mgearygood riddance
21:02.55bigdog_utthat guy sucks
21:02.58mgearyoops. uh, hey bigdog_ut. uhh, didn't see you there
21:06.51el_guapoel-caballero: those fresh skinned rattlesnake hides will not burn very well.
21:07.47jsmithWould you say I had a plethora?
21:07.55el_guapoOuch!
21:08.15el_guapojsmith:  do you even know what a plethora is?
21:08.38jsmithel_guapo: Yes... I have a plethora of students in this Asterisk class I'm teaching.
21:08.56el_caballeroa plethora lies between a grundle and a crapload
21:09.19el_caballerodon't step in the crapload on your way to the grundle
21:09.29SunSparcwhoo, that was fun.
21:11.43el_guacho~whip el_guacho
21:11.44jbotACTION takes el_guacho outside to be thoroughly whipped by el_guacho
21:11.48el_guachoouch
21:11.58el_caballerouhh
21:12.14el_caballeroself flagellation?
21:12.40el_guachoi was practicing
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21:40.53el_guachomgeary, sometimes i wonder what you are smoking
21:41.13mgearyhey man, that's a good album
21:41.18el_guachohaha
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22:04.56SunSparcAmerica++
22:05.01SunSparcGreat song
22:05.07mgeary"cause there aint no one for to give you no pain"
22:05.11unumI like that song
22:14.48mindjujupsh!  pantera! -- weak!  
22:17.14thebigdoghaha
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22:24.12mindjujubring it yo
22:25.26SunSparc_psychic_: having linux problems?
22:25.54_psychic_no, having suse problems
22:25.57_psychic_there's a difference
22:26.00SunSparcTrue
22:26.04thebigdoga big diff
22:26.07_psychic_linux distros have *package management*
22:26.12_psychic_suse has....
22:26.14_psychic_yast.
22:26.21SunSparcYet Another Setup Tool
22:26.29_psychic_and googling for RPMs on various FTP sites
22:26.33SunSparcWhat is your problem with it?
22:26.35_psychic_its like the freaking nineties
22:26.43_psychic_gotta install php-dev on a suse machine
22:26.50_psychic_(php5-dev)
22:27.29SunSparcIf you have the URL for an install server for YAST you could just point YAST to it and it will have packages ready for you.
22:27.40_psychic_w00t
22:27.46_psychic_its "php5-devel"
22:27.48SunSparcFinding a good URL is always a pain though.  :)
22:28.55_psychic_arghe
22:29.38SunSparc:)
22:32.34herloSunSparc: so nice of you
22:32.43herlomgeary: oh, I love that song...
22:33.00SunSparcWow, herlo, got some lag?
22:33.41herloSunSparc: teaching class, so yeah
22:33.53SunSparcGotcah
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22:42.27mgearyha
22:42.44mgearyfrom the Op-Ed section of today's Deseret News:
22:42.44mgeary"I will stop buying bottled water when the government stops forcibly medicating me with fluoride"
22:43.00mgearywe need to up her dosage
22:43.04_psychic_lol
22:46.26thebigdog:)
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23:18.43PoeticIntensityheh.... Here's a daily eyebrow raiser:
23:19.17PoeticIntensityI went and rented the oh-so-fabulous "Army Of Darkness" to watch over the weekend...
23:19.26thebigdogrock on
23:19.33PoeticIntensity(yes...I know.... I *should* own it)
23:19.36PoeticIntensitybut anyway....
23:19.37thebigdogyes
23:19.41thebigdogand your kids should watch it
23:19.44PoeticIntensityI invited my wife to come watch it...
23:19.47thebigdogand grand kids
23:19.55thebigdognice
23:19.56PoeticIntensityshe saw the cover and pretty much looked at me in disgust.
23:20.01thebigdoglol
23:20.03PoeticIntensityI said "You might be surprised"...
23:20.06PoeticIntensityso....
23:20.11PoeticIntensityshe sat down and started watching it....
23:20.21PoeticIntensityand I'll be darned if she didn't laugh through the whole thing!
23:20.22PoeticIntensitySHE LOVED IT!
23:20.27thebigdogyeah
23:20.32PoeticIntensitythousand (woots) for my wife!
23:20.32thebigdogit is great
23:20.53PoeticIntensityshe was like "Man... that was hilarious when he was blowing up that witch with the shotgun...."
23:20.56thebigdogi watched shawn of the dead with my wife and we laughed all night
23:21.05PoeticIntensityniiice.
23:21.15PoeticIntensity"yeah.... but you got reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal ugly..."
23:21.21PoeticIntensityLOL
23:21.30PoeticIntensitywow.... it's been toooo long since I watched that.
23:21.32thebigdogthats just pillow talk baby
23:21.41PoeticIntensity"gimme some sugar"
23:21.43thebigdogi need the dvd..i have the vhs
23:21.54PoeticIntensitymah, oh, man..
23:22.33thebigdoghttp://www.imdb.com/name/nm0132257/
23:22.58thebigdogbubba ho-tep is funny too
23:23.56thebigdoghe evil dead movies are the greatest
23:24.47thebigdogthey are doing "the evil dead" which should rock
23:25.11thebigdog"man with the screaming brain" cracked me up
23:29.26mgearynever heard of AoD, looking at imdb. is it *supposed* to be funny?
23:29.38mindjujunever?
23:29.51thebigdogi want to see sunshine..but it is not playing here :(
23:30.23thebigdoghttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0448134/
23:30.32mindjujuarmy of darkness is a classic.  it's good, funny, has some gore
23:31.19mindjujuan entire genre by itself with a couple of other followers like Hot Fuzz and shaun of the dead (from what i hear)
23:32.17mindjujuwould not let the kiddies see hot fuzz though, theres a wee bit of language, and then, the gore
23:42.46influx^_^This... This is my boomstick.
23:43.08influx^_^BY THE POWER OF GREYSKULL.
23:43.29mindjujui'm watching hot fuzz now
23:43.45thebigdogmindjuju, i want to watch that one so bad
23:43.56influx^_^Knocked Up is rad too.
23:44.01influx^_^Just saw it last night.
23:47.17timinatorI'm out guys.... later
23:47.28mgearyme too
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