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| 03:52.34 | herlo | mindjuju: uh, the gradient bar? |
| 03:52.43 | mindjuju | nah, there was something else |
| 03:52.46 | mindjuju | it was like a filter |
| 03:52.50 | mindjuju | it did it perfectly |
| 03:52.56 | herlo | :) |
| 03:53.08 | mindjuju | when i found it last time, it was so beautiful, i nearly weeped |
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| 03:55.27 | herlo | mindjuju: I wish I could help you |
| 03:56.48 | mindjuju | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAhhhhhh YEAH! |
| 03:57.16 | mindjuju | it's in the blending options of the image, it has gradient overlay, and it lets you preview as you go |
| 03:57.23 | mindjuju | for that oh so perfect gradient look |
| 03:57.29 | mindjuju | and that oh so perfect gradient feel |
| 03:57.53 | mindjuju | and a gradient so natural, only your undertaker knows for sure |
| 03:58.52 | herlo | :) |
| 04:01.49 | herlo | mindjuju: you make me chuckle! |
| 04:02.08 | mindjuju | i wish it was original, alas it is a modified movie quote |
| 04:02.26 | mindjuju | "and hair color so natural, only your undertaker knows for sure..." |
| 04:03.08 | mindjuju | it's something the Joker says in the Tim Burton Batman movie, he says it when he's telling gotham he's inserted Smiley into the cities chemical supplies |
| 04:06.14 | herlo | mindjuju: movie quotes like that take me back |
| 04:06.26 | mindjuju | yeah, twas an excellent movie |
| 04:06.35 | mindjuju | and OST was awesome |
| 04:07.25 | herlo | OST? |
| 04:07.41 | mindjuju | sorry, Original SoundTrack |
| 04:07.56 | mindjuju | as a side note, Danny Elfman did the music |
| 04:08.12 | mindjuju | hence, i love all Tim Burton / Danny Elfman colobrations |
| 04:08.18 | herlo | oh, I see. I was thinking you were trying to tell me the actors name who played the joker in the movie, but those didn't match Tommy Lee Jones' initials |
| 04:08.36 | herlo | That is the one I am thinking of... |
| 04:08.42 | mindjuju | oh, well, Tommy Lee did 2 face, Jack Nickolson did Joker |
| 04:08.50 | influx^_^ | El Joker |
| 04:09.13 | mindjuju | though i didn't actually watch Batman forever |
| 04:09.13 | mindjuju | and only saw part of Batman and Robin |
| 04:09.13 | herlo | oh, right |
| 04:09.13 | influx^_^ | Everything after 1 is crap. |
| 04:09.13 | herlo | sorry |
| 04:09.18 | mindjuju | i wished they'd have left Tim Burton doing it |
| 04:09.22 | mindjuju | he was true to the comic |
| 04:09.28 | herlo | I liked the batman with the riddler because I am a big fan of Jim Carrey |
| 04:09.29 | mindjuju | Batman wasn't a pleasant person |
| 04:09.45 | mindjuju | yeah, heard Jim Carey was the one that carried Batman Forever |
| 04:10.41 | herlo | yup |
| 04:10.42 | herlo | for sure |
| 04:11.08 | influx^_^ | Might one of you know why this window.onload() i have in this script isn't working? |
| 04:11.16 | herlo | I love "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" great flick |
| 04:11.26 | herlo | I bet mindjuju might |
| 04:11.35 | herlo | but without more to go on, even he couldn't help |
| 04:11.36 | mindjuju | yeah, can you pass the script so i can see? |
| 04:11.42 | influx^_^ | Ya. One second. |
| 04:12.06 | influx^_^ | var omg = document.forms[0].getElementsByTagName("input")[0].getAttribute("name"); |
| 04:12.09 | influx^_^ | window.onload(alert(omg)); |
| 04:12.12 | influx^_^ | this is in the head. |
| 04:14.55 | mindjuju | k, so just to make sure so far, you want the name attrib fromt he very first input element from the very first form on the page |
| 04:14.57 | mindjuju | right? |
| 04:17.47 | influx^_^ | Yes. |
| 04:18.04 | influx^_^ | I'm probably not thinking of something here. |
| 04:19.43 | herlo | mindjuju: did they change it from getElementById? |
| 04:20.00 | herlo | or is there just more now? |
| 04:20.18 | mindjuju | i'm getting it to work, like this. it's your event trigger |
| 04:20.19 | mindjuju | <form> |
| 04:20.19 | mindjuju | <input type=text name=fu value="bar"> |
| 04:20.19 | mindjuju | </form> |
| 04:20.19 | mindjuju | <script> |
| 04:20.19 | mindjuju | var omg = document.forms[0].getElementsByTagName("input")[0].getAttribute("name"); |
| 04:20.21 | mindjuju | alert(omg); |
| 04:20.23 | mindjuju | </script> |
| 04:21.51 | influx^_^ | So, you have the script in the body of the text? |
| 04:21.55 | influx^_^ | After the form. |
| 04:21.56 | mindjuju | oh, i'm reading that window.onLoad = function |
| 04:22.07 | mindjuju | hang on quick sec, let me look |
| 04:22.07 | influx^_^ | err, body of the page. |
| 04:22.19 | mindjuju | well, yeah that too, your going to need to put that in a function |
| 04:22.28 | mindjuju | else, place it beneath the web elments your calling |
| 04:22.32 | influx^_^ | Aye. |
| 04:22.36 | mindjuju | else, your going to run it as soon as it hits that line |
| 04:22.47 | mindjuju | i reccomend function though, it's cleaner |
| 04:25.23 | influx^_^ | Hmm. |
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| 04:44.54 | influx^_^ | Got it. |
| 04:44.57 | influx^_^ | I was calling it wrong. |
| 04:49.10 | influx^_^ | Also, I was trying to get that info before the page loaded, so before the page loads, the form doesn't exist. |
| 04:49.13 | influx^_^ | I'm retarded. |
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| 15:26.28 | fungus | ~yow |
| 15:31.30 | PoeticIntensity | ~yow |
| 15:33.15 | SunSparc | eh? |
| 15:33.31 | PoeticIntensity | mornin'. |
| 15:33.36 | PoeticIntensity | *yawn* |
| 15:33.38 | PoeticIntensity | ~yawn |
| 15:33.39 | jbot | *YAWN* I get *YAWN* tired just thinking of large boxes of unknown substances being poured into nooks and crannies and eaten by little monsters that like to kill fluffy bunnies and oh god I'm tired.. |
| 15:33.41 | herlo | mo'nin |
| 15:34.42 | SunSparc | *snort* jus five more minutes ma... |
| 15:36.07 | herlo | SunSparc: stop doing drugs!! |
| 15:37.16 | SunSparc | *huh*wha* just five more minutes... *smack*smack* |
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| 15:42.23 | timinator | morning |
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| 16:04.38 | SunSparc | Already? |
| 16:14.47 | wps | AHHHHH!!!!!!! |
| 16:14.52 | mgeary | ?? |
| 16:14.56 | wps | I am so sick of people thinking that tables are evil |
| 16:14.58 | wps | frick |
| 16:15.05 | jsmith | wps: Another fine day at work, I see... |
| 16:15.34 | SunSparc | Tables work great for tabular data! |
| 16:15.35 | _psychic_ | evil for what? |
| 16:15.45 | mgeary | heh |
| 16:15.50 | mgeary | tables++ |
| 16:15.50 | SunSparc | Tables are evil for design layout. :) |
| 16:15.54 | wps | I have a friend that it trying to "learn HTML" and he just asked about a new page I just built |
| 16:16.05 | wps | "was it all DIVs?" "and CSS?" |
| 16:16.53 | brettm | hehehe....tables certainly are not evil. I suppose it is nice to layout with CSS and DIVs if PHP is writing the contents |
| 16:17.11 | brettm | ....and the design guy is not a developer |
| 16:17.31 | wps | and I am sick of people associating CSS with DIVs and the "new thing" |
| 16:17.44 | wps | CSS styles tables just as much as divs |
| 16:18.04 | wps | and you don't "do it with CSS"… CSS is not structular |
| 16:18.15 | wps | you have to mark the silly page up first |
| 16:18.16 | mgeary | WOTD: "structular" |
| 16:18.22 | mgeary | that's awesome |
| 16:18.29 | wps | thank you |
| 16:18.40 | brettm | hehehe |
| 16:19.07 | jsmith | structacular! |
| 16:19.15 | SunSparc | wps: keep going. Blow off all your steam. |
| 16:19.21 | wps | I'm done |
| 16:19.24 | wps | thanks for reading |
| 16:19.27 | SunSparc | Feel better? |
| 16:19.28 | SunSparc | :) |
| 16:19.31 | wps | a little |
| 16:19.34 | mgeary | that's a structactular structure! |
| 16:19.36 | jsmith | wps: It's all that green... it's getting to you |
| 16:19.39 | SunSparc | That's what we are hear for. |
| 16:19.43 | wps | yup |
| 16:19.43 | SunSparc | Group hug? |
| 16:20.03 | wps | jbot, hug group |
| 16:20.04 | jbot | ACTION sneaks up on group and suddenly hugs group tightly |
| 16:20.10 | wps | how sneaky |
| 16:20.29 | jsmith | ~hug the world |
| 16:20.29 | jbot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs the world |
| 16:20.48 | SunSparc | jbot, you are pretty big to be hugging the world. |
| 16:20.49 | jbot | SunSparc: I think you lost me on that one |
| 16:21.01 | SunSparc | Of course I did. Silly bot. |
| 16:21.22 | beandog | my gosh planet is slow |
| 16:27.23 | wps | crap: |
| 16:27.27 | wps | this is going to be a bad day |
| 16:27.34 | wps | a Neil Diamond song just popped into my head |
| 16:27.36 | wps | I'm doomed |
| 16:27.38 | mgeary | sweet |
| 16:27.56 | wps | no, not sweet |
| 16:27.58 | wps | bad, bad, bad |
| 16:28.04 | mgeary | itunes |
| 16:28.08 | beandog | quick, put on some dean martin! |
| 16:28.25 | mgeary | "money talks..." |
| 16:28.41 | _psychic_ | Neil Diamond?! |
| 16:29.48 | mgeary | aaahhhh |
| 16:30.02 | mgeary | ~lionelritchie _psychic_ |
| 16:30.12 | mgeary | now that's an action we need |
| 16:30.28 | _psychic_ | For real... Neil Diamond.... |
| 16:31.05 | beandog | is that bad? |
| 16:31.27 | _psychic_ | How old are you two? |
| 16:31.44 | wps | me? |
| 16:31.48 | beandog | who? |
| 16:31.59 | _psychic_ | The Neil Diamond fans |
| 16:32.15 | mgeary | now we're talkin' |
| 16:32.17 | beandog | mgeary: whered you get that |
| 16:32.21 | mgeary | :D |
| 16:32.29 | beandog | dont tell me you have the original soundtrack |
| 16:32.30 | _psychic_ | nice |
| 16:32.40 | mgeary | i do |
| 16:32.45 | beandog | what! |
| 16:32.47 | beandog | whered you get it? |
| 16:33.14 | mgeary | had it for ages. i've actually got the OSS on vinyl |
| 16:33.21 | beandog | bah! |
| 16:33.25 | beandog | Ive been looking for that thing for years. |
| 16:33.27 | beandog | ~hate mgeary |
| 16:33.47 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:34.27 | mgeary | woah |
| 16:34.29 | wps | at least it wasn't Bobby Vinton that popped into my head |
| 16:34.57 | mgeary | OSS for the muppet movie *starts* at $55 |
| 16:35.22 | mgeary | goes up to $180 |
| 16:36.05 | beandog | yahp. |
| 16:36.06 | beandog | :( |
| 16:36.13 | beandog | Its one of the few left on my wishlist |
| 16:36.55 | mgeary | dang. you'd think they'd reprint/redup it |
| 16:37.03 | beandog | nah, its Disney |
| 16:37.06 | beandog | they'd never get off their butts and do it. |
| 16:37.09 | mgeary | ?? |
| 16:37.14 | mgeary | it's not disney |
| 16:37.18 | beandog | it is now. |
| 16:37.19 | mgeary | unless they bought it |
| 16:37.21 | mgeary | ah |
| 16:37.26 | beandog | They bought out the Jim Henson company. |
| 16:37.27 | beandog | :C |
| 16:37.41 | mgeary | yeah, i guess so, what with Bear & the Big Blue House and all |
| 16:37.45 | beandog | although, to their credit, they did re-release the muppet movies with special editions. |
| 16:38.01 | mgeary | yeah, we have that |
| 16:38.46 | beandog | my wish list: Miracle on 34th street, The Court Jester, Ernest Saves Christmas, Hocus Pocus ... and The Muppet Movie |
| 16:41.22 | _psychic_ | There's a notso fine line between *good* old stuff and *baaaad* old stuff |
| 16:41.26 | _psychic_ | Joni is good |
| 16:41.51 | _psychic_ | Neil is abysmal |
| 16:42.34 | beandog | hmm |
| 16:42.37 | beandog | Ive got 70 soundtracks |
| 16:42.37 | beandog | :D |
| 16:42.42 | mgeary | aww, Neal's got a coupla goodies. he's a piece of my childhood. i remember when my friend's dad too us to The Jazz Singer when i was, like 10 years old |
| 16:42.55 | mgeary | most boring movie ever |
| 16:42.59 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 16:43.02 | mgeary | at least, for a 10-year-old |
| 16:43.04 | _psychic_ | I'd love to see that again |
| 16:43.06 | wps | I've seen that show |
| 16:43.07 | beandog | whatever, punk! |
| 16:43.10 | wps | a long, long time ago |
| 16:43.49 | _psychic_ | that part in the tinker's garage is kinda freaky |
| 16:44.00 | _psychic_ | all the frankenstein toys and stuff |
| 16:44.25 | beandog | I had a traumatic experience when I realized that I couldn't tell what sex the toaster was. |
| 16:44.32 | mgeary | don't remember anything about it, except the disagreement about how "Coming to America" was supposed to be sung |
| 16:44.41 | mgeary | no, wiat |
| 16:44.42 | mgeary | wait |
| 16:44.46 | mgeary | Love on the Rocks, that was it |
| 16:45.03 | mgeary | ANYway, Neal's better than Barry, IMO |
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| 16:45.46 | mgeary | hey, is anyone here aware of a CMS that uses this URL format: |
| 16:46.09 | mgeary | http://www.domain.com/site.php/evnt/details/t_harv_words_of_wisdom_-_ins/2007-07-21/ |
| 16:48.47 | beandog | wordpress can do that |
| 16:48.57 | beandog | well, part of that. |
| 16:49.14 | mgeary | i'm trying to figure out what CMS a(n awful) site uses |
| 16:49.27 | beandog | ah |
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| 17:21.07 | unum | so I'm setting up a web app which will store sensitive data in a postgres database |
| 17:21.47 | unum | the it administrator wants to use ldap authentication on the server |
| 17:21.55 | unum | which means lots of employees will have commandline access to this server |
| 17:22.20 | unum | I have a few question related to how to best keep this data secure |
| 17:24.04 | unum | do I create a new group and give that group read and write access to all the files |
| 17:24.18 | unum | and deny other read access |
| 17:24.31 | unum | and then make apache part of that group |
| 17:28.09 | PoeticIntensity | hey guys.... any way to make pgsql multi-threaded? |
| 17:28.17 | PoeticIntensity | just out of curiosity. |
| 17:28.24 | herlo | unum: tls |
| 17:28.42 | herlo | unum: for ldap transactions... |
| 17:30.04 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, define what you mean by multi-threaded? |
| 17:30.18 | PoeticIntensity | I want each query to use both processors, if available. |
| 17:30.35 | thebigdog | one query cannot use both processors |
| 17:30.37 | PoeticIntensity | right now, I'm emptying a table with 12M rows..... it's taking forever. |
| 17:30.43 | PoeticIntensity | and only using one proc. :) |
| 17:31.02 | PoeticIntensity | if it can't be done, then........ I guess I'll wait. :) |
| 17:31.03 | thebigdog | psql can send different requests to diff procs |
| 17:31.21 | PoeticIntensity | right. |
| 17:31.39 | thebigdog | im not sure any db can do that |
| 17:31.41 | beandog | look in pg_hba.conf |
| 17:31.45 | beandog | postgres loves multiple cpus. |
| 17:31.56 | PoeticIntensity | hrm.... |
| 17:32.28 | herlo | beandog: did you have a better image for utwaa? |
| 17:32.38 | beandog | unum: cant you just grant certain access on postgres's user/pwd setup, or are you using ldap to access that too |
| 17:32.40 | beandog | herlo: just whats up ther |
| 17:32.41 | beandog | there |
| 17:33.02 | herlo | beandog: okay |
| 17:33.42 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, are you smoking something? |
| 17:33.48 | PoeticIntensity | pg_hba.conf doesn't say jack about multi-procs. |
| 17:33.50 | PoeticIntensity | :-? |
| 17:33.53 | beandog | oh |
| 17:33.56 | beandog | well try postgresql.conf |
| 17:36.16 | thebigdog | haha...i dont think there is a multi-cpu setting |
| 17:36.24 | thebigdog | postgresql is not multi-threaded |
| 17:36.36 | thebigdog | pgsql uses a multi-process model |
| 17:37.08 | thebigdog | meaning that if a box has multiprocs then the connections and processes get dispersed among the cpus |
| 17:37.19 | thebigdog | 1 connection = 1 cup |
| 17:37.23 | thebigdog | 1 connection = 1 cpu |
| 17:38.09 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, if you really want some indepth reading check out momjian's article - http://momjian.us/main/writings/pgsql/hw_performance/index.html |
| 17:38.38 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha.... thanks for the link, thebigdog. |
| 17:38.46 | thebigdog | np |
| 17:43.32 | beandog | thebigdog: yah, that makes more sense. |
| 17:44.05 | unum | oops sorry I got distracted by ann eff alert |
| 17:44.18 | beandog | an elf alert? |
| 17:44.44 | beandog | I always knew our otherworldly allies would turn on us |
| 17:44.46 | unum | sorry i really explained my problem poorly |
| 17:45.04 | unum | I was saying everyone had shell access to the server |
| 17:45.15 | beandog | ah, not psql user access |
| 17:45.25 | unum | the psql auth is seperate |
| 17:45.35 | unum | I just have to make sure they don't get acces to the password |
| 17:45.41 | beandog | well then I guess its good old file permissions. |
| 17:45.48 | unum | ya |
| 17:45.56 | unum | so what's the best way to set that up |
| 17:46.24 | unum | create a group and give that group read/write access and then make apache part of that group? |
| 17:46.27 | beandog | uh, dunno. |
| 17:46.32 | unum | I should probably use acls |
| 17:46.39 | unum | so apache only has read access |
| 17:46.40 | beandog | apache's never going to directly touch it anyway |
| 17:46.53 | beandog | it would just sign in like everything else |
| 17:46.55 | unum | but apache needs read acces to those fires |
| 17:47.02 | beandog | no it doesnt |
| 17:47.06 | beandog | why would it need to access it? |
| 17:47.07 | unum | "just sign it"? |
| 17:47.19 | beandog | the only way to get into the db should be through psql auth |
| 17:47.26 | unum | apache needs access to my scipts doesn't it? |
| 17:47.35 | beandog | oh, to your *scripts* yes |
| 17:47.40 | beandog | I thought you were talking about the raw data. |
| 17:47.44 | unum | aah sorry |
| 17:47.55 | unum | but don't my scripts need to have the password? |
| 17:48.18 | beandog | yes |
| 17:48.29 | beandog | a password |
| 17:48.36 | beandog | but even then, you can limit the account access for the www user |
| 17:48.39 | unum | in one script |
| 17:48.43 | beandog | so they can't destroy databases and stuff. |
| 17:49.05 | beandog | but, yes |
| 17:49.14 | beandog | chown all that stuff to a different user that only apache can access |
| 17:49.57 | unum | what do you mean "a different user that only apache can access" |
| 17:50.11 | beandog | like a /home directory |
| 17:50.16 | beandog | I can only hit my /home/steve |
| 17:50.24 | beandog | but I can't go in /home/unum |
| 17:50.28 | beandog | no exec permissions for me, my group |
| 17:50.29 | beandog | same setup |
| 17:50.31 | herlo | su - |
| 17:50.36 | herlo | :) |
| 17:50.43 | unum | right |
| 17:51.02 | unum | but what if i have multiple people maintaining the code |
| 17:51.10 | beandog | add them to group apache |
| 17:51.18 | beandog | basically only let group apache in there to r/w |
| 17:51.24 | beandog | so chmod the files 640 |
| 17:51.26 | beandog | er |
| 17:51.27 | beandog | 660? |
| 17:51.28 | beandog | bah. |
| 17:51.29 | unum | that's what I was asking |
| 17:51.35 | beandog | so, yah |
| 17:51.37 | beandog | basic file permissions. |
| 17:51.42 | unum | also you want to set the stick bit :) |
| 17:52.21 | unum | should make every one part of apache's group or create a new group and make apache part of that |
| 17:52.24 | unum | or does it matter |
| 17:53.02 | beandog | that's what Id do |
| 17:53.31 | unum | make them all part of the apache group? |
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| 17:53.52 | beandog | I guess |
| 17:55.06 | herlo | unum: no reason to set the sticky bit |
| 17:55.13 | unum | I think I'll try to explain it clearer and hit the list with this question and an other one |
| 17:55.16 | herlo | use SGID on directories |
| 17:55.26 | unum | herlo: that's what I meant |
| 17:55.32 | unum | thanks |
| 17:56.13 | herlo | sticky is used to make it so even though the files in a particular directory may have write access, only the user can delete them... |
| 18:08.37 | beandog | sheesh |
| 18:08.42 | beandog | 500 GB WD harddrive for $100 |
| 18:09.03 | burnin | RE, SE ? |
| 18:09.08 | beandog | SE |
| 18:09.12 | beandog | whats the difference? |
| 18:09.20 | beandog | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136073 |
| 18:09.41 | burnin | RE are supposedly more reliable, they have a longer warranty period, 5 years. |
| 18:10.01 | burnin | SE warranty ranges from 1 year to 3 years |
| 18:10.45 | burnin | RE also have wider environmental specs, i.e. they have a wider operating temperature range. If I recall correctly. |
| 18:13.25 | beandog | hmm |
| 18:13.28 | beandog | thats good to know |
| 18:13.58 | herlo | beandog: I'm buying one too. That makes 2, maybe I'll even buy 2 |
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| 19:07.07 | PoeticIntensity | so, guys, how can we convince beandog to come to the meeting tonight? |
| 19:18.04 | SunSparc | Take away his computer and tell him he can have it back if he attends. |
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| 19:21.58 | bradym | just have dataw0lf get him there ;) |
| 19:30.06 | thebigdog | jsmith, you around? |
| 19:34.33 | thebigdog | jsmith, ping me when you get back |
| 19:44.16 | thebigdog | anyone use firephp? |
| 19:46.31 | mgeary | thebigdog: you don't mean FirePay, do you? |
| 19:46.49 | thebigdog | no firephp that is a ff plugin |
| 19:46.55 | mgeary | ah |
| 19:46.56 | thebigdog | helps with php debugging |
| 19:47.05 | thebigdog | built on firebug |
| 19:47.48 | jsmith | thebigdog: Ping! |
| 19:47.58 | thebigdog | im going to msg you |
| 19:48.01 | jsmith | Sure! |
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| 20:04.28 | beandog | I dont suppose theres an easy way in the mysql terminal to do something to show desc on all the tables? |
| 20:05.21 | SunSparc | All at the same time? |
| 20:05.41 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:05.52 | mgeary | you can use mysqldump and use a --no-data flag, or such |
| 20:05.55 | SunSparc | Not that I know of |
| 20:06.16 | SunSparc | Yes, but that is not in the mysql terminal |
| 20:06.16 | mgeary | ah, but not if you want it as a query result |
| 20:06.18 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:06.37 | mgeary | no, but it's *using* a terminal :D |
| 20:06.45 | SunSparc | Very true :) |
| 20:07.08 | SunSparc | Jump into #mysql and ask. |
| 20:14.58 | beandog | no biggie |
| 20:25.33 | beandog | hmm, you cant do a delete on an inner join can you |
| 20:25.55 | beandog | I really wish I had subselects about right now. |
| 20:26.12 | thebigdog | what are you trying to do? |
| 20:26.48 | beandog | just delete some rows from one table where they match something across another one |
| 20:27.44 | thebigdog | you should be able to do that |
| 20:28.59 | beandog | nope, didnt work |
| 20:29.04 | beandog | lets try a subselect just in case |
| 20:29.31 | beandog | nope |
| 20:29.42 | beandog | ah, the glory of mysql. |
| 20:30.51 | thebigdog | what is your query? |
| 20:31.19 | thebigdog | cna i just say how much i love cursors in pgsql |
| 20:31.47 | beandog | please do |
| 20:31.57 | beandog | thebigdog: pm |
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| 20:40.48 | thebigdog | timinator, you around? |
| 20:40.59 | timinator | ya |
| 20:41.02 | timinator | wassup? |
| 20:41.09 | thebigdog | msg |
| 20:43.12 | thebigdog | who here works for mac again? |
| 20:44.26 | thebigdog | ~wake #uphpu |
| 20:44.27 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on #uphpu and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:44.27 | jsmith | Was it fungus? |
| 20:44.38 | thebigdog | i think he is isp |
| 20:44.57 | jsmith | I thought he worked for Aros, until they went belly-up |
| 20:45.02 | thebigdog | beandog, PoeticIntensity who works with mac? |
| 20:45.14 | thebigdog | not sure where fungus works now |
| 20:45.20 | beandog | thebigdog: eh? I do |
| 20:45.35 | thebigdog | beandog, you guys do dedicated hosting? |
| 20:45.36 | beandog | fungus no workie here, the jerk |
| 20:45.45 | beandog | thebigdog: we have a few clients that have that, yah |
| 20:45.47 | jsmith | Oh, it's beandog .... who'da thunk! |
| 20:45.57 | thebigdog | beandog, msg me your pricing on that |
| 20:46.10 | thebigdog | yeah gentoo user working with freebsd dugys |
| 20:46.10 | beandog | uh, I have no idea what it is, id have to ask the boss man. |
| 20:46.18 | beandog | and in a mysql shop |
| 20:46.22 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 20:46.22 | beandog | someone stab me in the eyelid with a shovel. |
| 20:47.09 | beandog | Im trying to learn the BSD though |
| 20:47.36 | beandog | ports has me pretty confused. |
| 20:48.26 | fungus | Yeah, I worked at Aros for a long time, now I get paid well in a cushy corporate sysadmin job. |
| 20:48.49 | beandog | fungus: where you working at |
| 20:48.54 | fungus | SOS Staffing |
| 20:49.15 | fungus | I have the same problem as you in reverse. |
| 20:49.24 | fungus | I am a BSD lover in a Gentoo shop. |
| 20:49.29 | PoeticIntensity | and.... I'm kinda having a continual epiphany here at this new job... |
| 20:49.38 | beandog | fungus: youre in a Gentoo shop?? |
| 20:49.42 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 20:49.44 | PoeticIntensity | wow... |
| 20:49.55 | PoeticIntensity | seems like programmers get it all backwards... ;-) |
| 20:50.04 | fungus | Well now it is. It is still in migration away from SuSE to Gentoo |
| 20:50.12 | beandog | ! |
| 20:50.12 | PoeticIntensity | rock ON! |
| 20:50.13 | beandog | rock on |
| 20:50.13 | beandog | :D |
| 20:50.26 | beandog | t3h gentoo++ |
| 20:51.05 | PoeticIntensity | since I started this job, I've received like 6 projects... |
| 20:51.05 | fungus | I tried to convince them to switch to FreeBSD, but that didn't work. Gentoo is the next best option I think. |
| 20:51.05 | SunSparc | gentoo++ |
| 20:51.05 | PoeticIntensity | all of which will take approximately 4-8 months to complete. |
| 20:51.08 | SunSparc | FreeBSD++ |
| 20:51.17 | PoeticIntensity | gentoo++ infinity. |
| 20:51.24 | SunSparc | :) |
| 20:51.28 | PoeticIntensity | however.... |
| 20:51.32 | mgeary | PoeticIntensity: so, what, is that job security? or headaches? or? |
| 20:51.33 | PoeticIntensity | I have yet to get a "deadline". |
| 20:51.35 | beandog | fungus: what about Gentoo/BSD? |
| 20:51.43 | PoeticIntensity | (the story continues) |
| 20:51.48 | PoeticIntensity | so.... |
| 20:51.52 | beandog | Gentoo/FreeBSD to be more accurate |
| 20:52.00 | fungus | lol, that is just weird |
| 20:52.05 | fungus | But cool. |
| 20:52.06 | PoeticIntensity | I start talking to the tech team here (which consists entirely of "SAP" people...) |
| 20:52.26 | PoeticIntensity | turns out that none of them get deadlines either... (and one of em' has worked here for 25+ years. |
| 20:52.28 | PoeticIntensity | ) |
| 20:52.33 | PoeticIntensity | so... |
| 20:52.34 | PoeticIntensity | I talk to my boss... |
| 20:52.38 | PoeticIntensity | to get the skinny of it all. |
| 20:53.13 | PoeticIntensity | because.... heck... as all of you probably know, web-development + stereotypical non-dev shop = scattered projects which need to get done yesterday. |
| 20:53.27 | PoeticIntensity | kinda crazy... |
| 20:53.30 | PoeticIntensity | at least, that's been my experience. |
| 20:53.32 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 20:53.36 | PoeticIntensity | I talk to my boss and ask him... |
| 20:53.41 | PoeticIntensity | "what's the deal with deadlines here"? |
| 20:53.44 | PoeticIntensity | and get this... |
| 20:54.05 | PoeticIntensity | he looks at me with a matter-of-fact type face... |
| 20:54.09 | PoeticIntensity | and says... |
| 20:54.51 | PoeticIntensity | "I figure I hire professionals who are here to work. If I give em' deadlines, I might give em' too much time, or not enough time - both of which will hamper their maximum efficiency. So... Get it done and do your best." |
| 20:55.08 | PoeticIntensity | I just about lost it. |
| 20:55.10 | SunSparc | Wow |
| 20:55.33 | PoeticIntensity | If things keep up like this, I'm gonna start worrying about whether this place actually exists. |
| 20:55.37 | SunSparc | You just crossed over to... the Twilight Zone... |
| 20:55.40 | bradym | lol |
| 20:55.42 | PoeticIntensity | NO - JOKE. |
| 20:55.52 | bradym | they didn't make you take any pills during your interview did they? |
| 20:56.06 | PoeticIntensity | well...... hold on..... wait a minute! |
| 20:56.08 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 20:56.14 | PoeticIntensity | no... I just couldn't believe it. |
| 20:56.31 | SunSparc | You should stop talking because people are going to start getting jealous and mob you or something... |
| 20:56.36 | PoeticIntensity | sat here for about 20 minutes after he left just going over what I thought he said.... and trying to decide if he really said what I Thought he said... |
| 20:56.40 | beandog | ~mob PoeticIntensity |
| 20:56.56 | beandog | ~tunafart PoeticIntensity |
| 20:56.56 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to PoeticIntensity, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 20:57.04 | PoeticIntensity | pretty amazing... |
| 20:57.19 | PoeticIntensity | he then told me that he believes "what goes around, comes around"... |
| 20:57.29 | SunSparc | As Napoleon would say, "LUCKY! Gosh!" |
| 20:57.34 | PoeticIntensity | "If you want to pull the wool over my eyes, you definitely can. But, you can only do that for so long." |
| 20:57.53 | PoeticIntensity | so..... I just thought I'd share with ya'll. |
| 20:57.53 | thebigdog | cole_joplin, you around? |
| 20:58.00 | SunSparc | Wow, so they actually treat you like a grown up? |
| 20:58.04 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: share the wealth? |
| 20:58.11 | PoeticIntensity | if I could, I would. |
| 20:58.25 | PoeticIntensity | as soon as I determine that we need another web dev here, I know where I'll go to find help. |
| 20:58.42 | SunSparc | Where? SOS Staffing? |
| 20:58.56 | PoeticIntensity | SunSparc, exactly... It's kinda weird being treated this way, but... you're dead-on. |
| 20:59.19 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: huh? |
| 20:59.20 | PoeticIntensity | the super-weird thing is: Him saying that has made me want to work 1000% harder than I have been. |
| 20:59.51 | PoeticIntensity | so... if you own a business... take note. |
| 20:59.52 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 21:00.12 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, .... you lost? |
| 21:00.16 | SunSparc | I believe in employee empowerment. |
| 21:00.27 | PoeticIntensity | evidently, so does my boss. :) |
| 21:00.35 | beandog | me too, I keep a pitchfork next to my trash can |
| 21:00.42 | PoeticIntensity | woot! |
| 21:00.49 | SunSparc | Most people need less management instead of more. |
| 21:00.51 | beandog | arrr |
| 21:00.58 | PoeticIntensity | yup... |
| 21:01.13 | PoeticIntensity | and those who need it, and don't get it - will make it overly obvious they need it. |
| 21:01.37 | unum | I guess I do have a deadline on my current project, but I got to set it |
| 21:01.43 | PoeticIntensity | I didn't even know that concept existed until I got hired here. |
| 21:01.57 | beandog | ^5 |
| 21:02.02 | mgeary | all very well. however, when a client is paying you for a job, they've got plans and expectations. so for internal projects that may be one thing.... |
| 21:02.07 | PoeticIntensity | until here, it's always been "is it done yet?" |
| 21:02.13 | PoeticIntensity | every 10 minutes... :) |
| 21:02.23 | unum | the only reason I have a deadline on this project is because we need to train one of our clients on it |
| 21:02.25 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, right. |
| 21:02.33 | PoeticIntensity | in a sense, your clients are your bosses. |
| 21:03.19 | unum | I'm all internal developement, so they aren't making any promises to outsider on my other projects |
| 21:03.21 | PoeticIntensity | imagine, mgeary, if a client of yours said "we need this done, and we'll trust that you'll get it done as fast as you can. Get it to us then". |
| 21:03.52 | mgeary | heh. then they'd probably be relegated below the clients who squawk and complain every day ;) |
| 21:03.59 | mgeary | greasy wheel, and all that |
| 21:04.00 | PoeticIntensity | and doesn't that SUCK. |
| 21:04.05 | SunSparc | YEs! |
| 21:04.32 | PoeticIntensity | anyway.... I best be gettin' back to work... I'm in the ZONE today! |
| 21:05.04 | SunSparc | Yeah, Twilight Zone. |
| 21:06.32 | Utah_Dave | yay! I'm in a budget meeting right now. Look's like I'm getting a pair of Dell 1950's, dual 4 core cpus, 8 gigs ram |
| 21:07.17 | SunSparc | With Linux pre-loaded? |
| 21:08.26 | Utah_Dave | no operating system |
| 21:08.53 | Utah_Dave | they will soon have Linux on them |
| 21:10.02 | PoeticIntensity | congrats, Utah_Dave! |
| 21:11.45 | orsonj | make sure you boot knoppix at least once, just so you can see the 8 penguins |
| 21:12.05 | Utah_Dave | I didn't know knoppix did that |
| 21:12.28 | PoeticIntensity | alright.... after searching the UPHPU site, I still can't find where the meeting will be held, nor at what time... |
| 21:12.35 | PoeticIntensity | maybe I'm not looking in the right place. |
| 21:12.50 | orsonj | yeah, it shows a penguin for each processor. it was crazy the first time I put it in a dual core machine. |
| 21:13.25 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 21:13.26 | PoeticIntensity | I wasn't. |
| 21:13.36 | PoeticIntensity | got the addy, but not the time. |
| 21:13.40 | PoeticIntensity | oh.. |
| 21:13.45 | PoeticIntensity | it's in military time... |
| 21:13.58 | PoeticIntensity | hold up.. lemme grab my good ole' gcalctool |
| 21:13.59 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 21:15.45 | beandog | Utah_Dave: anytime you enable the logo, it will display one tux per CPU |
| 21:16.03 | PoeticIntensity | showoff. |
| 21:16.06 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 21:16.09 | orsonj | yep ninteen and twelve... carry the one... wait, subtract... nine minus two... |
| 21:16.14 | beandog | oh, orsonj said that. |
| 21:16.16 | beandog | bah. |
| 21:19.33 | orsonj | well, I didn't mean to steal his thunder. |
| 21:19.35 | unum | dell preloads redhat on their servers :( :( |
| 21:22.12 | mindjuju | \topic Meeting Today - Dynamic PDF generation - Cole Joplin | uphpu.org | Utah PHP Users Group |
| 21:22.26 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Meeting Today - Dynamic PDF generation - Cole Joplin | uphpu.org | Utah PHP Users Group |
| 21:37.05 | thebigdog | jsmith, you there? |
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| 22:10.10 | Utah_Dave | do commands in a bash script always run sequentially? Even if some of them run for a long time? |
| 22:10.20 | SunSparc | Yes |
| 22:10.37 | herlo | SunSparc: not true |
| 22:10.47 | herlo | Utah_Dave: it depends on the command and how you use them |
| 22:10.47 | SunSparc | Unless you use functions |
| 22:10.53 | herlo | SunSparc: even then |
| 22:11.04 | herlo | what if you run the following script |
| 22:11.09 | herlo | #!/bin/bash |
| 22:11.19 | Utah_Dave | well, I have two bash scripts that connect to my database and do some maintenance |
| 22:11.35 | herlo | strace iptables -L &> /dev/null & |
| 22:11.44 | herlo | echo "finished" |
| 22:11.48 | herlo | what would happen? |
| 22:12.11 | Utah_Dave | I'm using a third bash script to run the others and I need to ensure that the first one is finished before the second one begins |
| 22:12.38 | SunSparc | The echo would probably display first since it would complete first since the others have been backgrounded |
| 22:12.59 | SunSparc | However, the programs will be run sequentially. |
| 22:13.02 | SunSparc | ;) |
| 22:14.17 | thebigdog | what is the process for purchasing a domain from someone? |
| 22:14.41 | thebigdog | one that is already registered |
| 22:14.47 | SunSparc | Email them and ask if you can buy it from them |
| 22:14.56 | SunSparc | Wait for acceptance or rejection email |
| 22:15.07 | SunSparc | There is nothing formal. |
| 22:15.22 | thebigdog | what needs to be done with the domain registrar? |
| 22:15.24 | SunSparc | They just have to agree to relinquish control |
| 22:16.02 | SunSparc | They need to allow you to transfer the name to your account or to your registrar, if you have a different registrar |
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| 22:16.57 | SunSparc | Utah_Dave: You should be able to just call each of the two bash scripts in sequence and have them run, unless you background them. |
| 22:17.53 | mindjuju | dag, where is jsmith when you need him? |
| 22:17.55 | thebigdog | SunSparc, ty |
| 22:18.03 | thebigdog | mindjuju, whatz up |
| 22:18.12 | SunSparc | thebigdog: np |
| 22:18.27 | SunSparc | thebigdog: I have done it a lot. |
| 22:18.34 | mindjuju | well, i was just going to ask a telephone question. Not earth shatteringly important, but I've got a business phone on a digital line |
| 22:18.49 | mindjuju | and i just wondered what it would take to plug that into my computer |
| 22:19.02 | mindjuju | so that i could use the web cam mic and comp speakers for the telephone |
| 22:19.12 | mindjuju | like you used to could do with a modem |
| 22:19.25 | mindjuju | but never saw a modem that could handle digital telephone |
| 22:19.59 | SunSparc | Digital, like DSL digital? |
| 22:20.11 | beandog | mindjuju: pm |
| 22:21.03 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: what kind of digital line do you have? |
| 22:21.18 | mindjuju | beats the heck out of me |
| 22:21.25 | mindjuju | you know, there are 2 kinds of telephone lines |
| 22:21.29 | mindjuju | analog and digital |
| 22:22.00 | Utah_Dave | You can buy a card that will allow you to use a regular phone line, but there's not much you can do with a proprietary digital line, unless that company provides hardware for it |
| 22:22.14 | mindjuju | yeah, that's what i was afraid of |
| 22:22.27 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: if you replace your phone system with an Asterisk system, I could really help you out. |
| 22:22.33 | Utah_Dave | You could do a TON of really cool things |
| 22:22.59 | mindjuju | i think we are switching to VOIP, but the telephone systems aren't under my control |
| 22:24.05 | Utah_Dave | oh, man. push for an Asterisk system. |
| 22:24.57 | unum | hmm my script connects when ran from the commandline but not from apache |
| 22:25.04 | Utah_Dave | I do quite a bit of voip here at work. The guys at Arrivaltel.com could really hook you up |
| 22:25.05 | unum | I wonder if it's selinux |
| 22:25.42 | mindjuju | i'll go find out who we are going to do VOIP through |
| 22:25.53 | mindjuju | in the interim, out of curiosity, whats the telephone plug called on a business line, i'm going crazy trying to remember, i know it isn't rj45, but its something like that. |
| 22:27.43 | Utah_Dave | rj11 are regular phone lines |
| 22:27.51 | cole_joplin | rj-11? |
| 22:28.03 | cole_joplin | rj-14 |
| 22:28.13 | cole_joplin | rj-45 |
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| 22:31.08 | Utah_Dave | yeah, rj-11 |
| 22:36.00 | mindjuju | k, he doesn't remember off hand and getting ready to take off for the day, but he said it was Ras* he remembers it had the ras prefix |
| 22:36.08 | mindjuju | though he can tell me for sure tomorrow |
| 22:58.43 | thebigdog | mindjuju, kinda sad when i listen to techno and i can tell the guitar solo |
| 23:01.14 | timinator | I'm out guys... late |
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| 23:38.00 | bradym | ugh.. for some reason __ is getting added to the end of my url when it's called by fopen for some reason |
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