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00:05.35jgiboneyhow come I can add to a session variable, but it doesn't recognize it using ctype_digit?
00:07.14jgiboneycya
00:18.39mindjujupoor jgiboney , didn't see his question
00:20.35herlomindjuju: chuy's is good.  you picked a good item to get w/the memorial
00:20.42mindjujuyeah!
00:20.46mindjujui'm glad you got it
00:20.51mindjujudid you see any hotties?
00:21.03mindjujunot sure your going to see much unless it is the weekend
00:21.28herlojust the waitress. i am just starting
00:22.01mindjujuoh, are you there now?
00:22.02mindjujui'm jealous!
00:22.09mindjujudid you get the cilantro salsa?
00:22.35mindjujuit's got a green color, but not from jalapenos
00:22.39herloi think so.
00:22.45herlooh, no
00:22.55mindjujuit's from the tomatillos
00:23.06herloi did get it
00:23.10mindjujucool
00:23.16herloreally good
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00:23.25mindjujudude, i'm so jealous
00:23.26mindjuju!
00:23.30herlowhite and green
00:23.34mindjujuyup
00:23.53herlosee ya food arrived
00:24.00mindjujuk
00:37.36mindjujuanybody here doing EV SSL ?
00:40.09herlomindjuju: I ate everything in front of me.  It was awesome good!
00:40.18mindjujudude!
00:40.23mindjujuway good times
00:40.37herloand the margaritas rock tooo
00:40.42mindjujuthat's what i heard
00:40.45herlooh I am soo full
00:40.46mindjujubest in Texas, no joke
00:41.23herlotrue that.  i had the memorial and i think I could die now.  :)
01:15.36dataw0lfdude seriously
01:15.42dataw0lfhttp://thinkprogress.org/2007/07/12/christian-right-disrupts-first-hindu-prayer-in-the-senate/
01:18.52mindjujuthat's really embarassing
01:20.23mindjujuscary to see that happen, and its scary that others would lump all Christians together
01:20.46herloyeah
01:20.47herlofor sure
01:21.00herlochristians are all awesome
01:21.13herlo.-/
01:21.38dataw0lfthe terrible thing is, there are people out there who support that
01:22.04mindjujuhey, dataw0lf, totally agree with you
01:22.37mindjujuthis is representative of ignorance and intolerance
01:25.39mindjujunow, go find something where atheists are being jerks or liberals who pratically worship freedom of speech deny others that right, and will be impartial
01:28.04burninhmm, at first that video angered me, very repulsive, but once I read the article and realized it was just some loony extremist protesters and not actual elected officials in the senate. Now I simply feel pity for those ignorant morons who have nothing better to do with their time than to express their hatred.
01:28.47burninbut they are free to think and say what they please, its just too bad they can't let other speak as well.
01:58.44mindjujuany flash people around?
02:07.22beandog~flash mindjuju
02:07.23jbotACTION starts a firmware update on mindjuju, then pulls the plug halfway through
02:11.04herlobeandog: did I tell you that the transfer failed again because you do have to wait 60 days
02:11.14beandogyah
02:13.27herlook
02:31.16mindjujuthx a heap beandog
02:31.25beandoguh
02:31.26beandogwhat
02:31.34mindjujufor flashing me
02:31.37beandogheheh
02:31.43mindjujuwell, at least you didn't streak acrros the irc
02:32.29beandoghmm, thas an idea
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02:45.15herlo~streak beandog
02:45.24jbotACTION watches beandog run through the channel stark naked screeming "lennard jones!!!!"
02:45.32herlolol
02:45.40beandogheh
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12:31.17jgiboneygood morning everyone
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13:25.37jgiboneythere aren't many early risers are ther
13:26.23jgiboneyya it's just you and me I think
13:26.58Utah_Dave~wake everyone
13:26.59jbotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everyone and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
13:27.26jgiboneygood morning jbot
14:04.06Utah_Dave~water herlo
14:05.01Utah_Dave~sprinkle herlo
14:05.07Utah_Dave~splash herlo
14:05.15Utah_Davedang
14:07.43herlo~dust Utah_Dave
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14:08.00Utah_Daveouch
14:08.03herloooh, I didn't want him to die!
14:08.12herlohopefully it was in the leg
14:08.18herlomere fleshwound
14:08.35Utah_Dave:)
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15:02.21_psychic_good morning uphpu
15:04.49orsonjtop of the mornin' to you
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15:23.15Ritterg'morning all
15:24.18mgearyhowdy
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15:36.42orsonjsounds like the landlord paid the electric bill as part of rent.
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15:44.38SunSparcSince when does jbot give himself commands?
15:45.11wpsweird
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15:47.08orsonjno, that's just what he says when mindjuju comes in
15:47.16orsonj~yow
15:47.27SunSparchehe
15:47.28mgeary~douse jbot
15:47.29orsonjhe doesn't actually command himself
15:47.31wpshere's one for you… to take you back…
15:47.49mgearyanyone remember this:
15:47.50mgearyhttp://candyaddict.com/blog/2005/12/24/space-dust/
15:48.00wpsnope
15:48.03orsonjmindjuju: (from the landlord story yesterday) was electricity part of your rent?
15:48.08mgearyit was awesome
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15:48.37synicmgeary: pfft, oldy.
15:48.40mindjujuorsonj , it was, but i'm pretty good about stuff like that
15:48.55mindjujulights off, doors closed, etc
15:49.07mgearysynic: now see here, youngster. show respect when talking to your elders
15:49.30synicmgeary: I don't think that applies over the internet :P
15:54.04orsonjfunny. I vote for youtube also.
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16:15.06mgearyi use htmlspecialchars to prevent people from, e.g., injecting javascript into user-displayed data
16:15.39mgearyhowever, htmlspecialchars also translates "•" to "•"
16:15.46mgearywhich isn't desireable
16:20.46beandogjust use regex.
16:20.55beandogstrip out all non A-Za-z
16:21.14beandoger, not quite that simple, but still.
16:21.20beandogregexp ftw
16:24.17mgearyeeh. i just built my own sanitize function
16:25.07beandogeither way, its better to just let only waht you want in, instead of trying to filter some things out.
16:25.24mgearywell as far as i can see, really the only characters you really *must* sanitize from user input are < and >, no?
16:32.34SunSparcregex++
16:33.10ecoI once wrote a function that worked exactly like htmlspecialchars except it didn't replace the ampersand with &amp; if it was part of an actual entity.
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16:34.22PoeticIntensitythere's a PHP function that strips tags...
16:34.28PoeticIntensityI think it's called strip_tags.... :)
16:34.29PoeticIntensitymaybe.
16:34.38PoeticIntensitynot sure if that'd help ya, mgeary, but I use it a bit.
16:35.11PoeticIntensityI believe it strips javascript as well.
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16:38.29beandogmgeary: mm, not really.
16:38.41beandogmgeary: depends on your database.  should strip out ;
16:38.46beandogas well as quotes
16:38.50beandoggotta watch for sql injection.
16:39.04beandoglike I said, its much easier to just let in the characters you know are accepted.
16:39.17beandogyou want a name?  great.  A to Z, a to z and spaces.
16:39.22beandogA city?  Add commas
16:39.26beandogand single quotes
16:39.30beandogor whatever.
16:39.32beandoggo from there.
16:40.04beandogits so much easier than trying to think of every possible character to strip out
16:40.05orsonj:s/&amp;([a-z0-9]+);/&\1/g
16:40.32orsonjjust undo the problem it made
16:41.25orsonjmake that a-zA-z0-9
16:42.43orsonj:s/&amp;(#?[a-zA-Z0-9]+);/&\1/g
16:42.46orsonjthat might do it
16:42.57SunSparcI agree with beandog.  Just use regex to let in what you want.  Easier than trying to filter everything out explicitly.
16:43.02mgearybeandog: not in an international world
16:43.05PoeticIntensityI *know* I'm gonna need em' for this job.
16:43.09jsmith-lunchmgeary: Amen to that!
16:43.33mgearymy quotes are automatically and categorically handled by my ActiveRecord class
16:43.43mgearyi do this:
16:44.05mgeary$db_value = mysql_real_escape_string($user_data)
16:44.11mgeary$sql = "value = '$db_value'"
16:44.31mgearyso i don't need to worry about quotes on a per-situation basis
16:44.38orsonjIf there is a function to do it, I generaly prefer that, but regex is way handy
16:44.54mgearybut sometimes you need to allow <> chars, for admin tools, for example
16:45.02mgearyand sometimes people have apostrophes in their names
16:45.23mgearynot to mention umlauts, carets, and other diacriticals
16:45.45PoeticIntensityain't that the truth...  As soon as ya start considering that non-english-speaking people are your audience.... sure changes the way you program.
16:45.58orsonjgood question, when you read back something from a database that was inserted with mysql_real_escape_string, is it the same as before you ran the escape on it?
16:46.00mgearyso, i'd like someone to demonstrate to me that, as long as sql injection via quotes is resolved, only the < and > chars are really deadly
16:47.00mgearyorsonj: yes
16:47.52orsonjso, then you just have to escape it again when you display or reinsert into the database
16:48.15mgearynot necessarily when you display, but yes, when you re-insert
16:48.24mgearywhich is why having an Active Record class is soooo handy
17:06.24orsonjanother useful filtering tool I have found is: (int) $_POST['age']
17:06.25mgearyhmm. but mysql will essentially do that for you, no?
17:06.25mgearyif the field is an integer field
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17:06.25PoeticIntensitybienvenidos, thebigdog.
17:06.25orsonjI'm just talking php on that one
17:06.25mgearysure
17:06.25mgearyguten Morgen, thebigdog
17:06.25thebigdogPoeticIntensity, how you doing
17:06.25PoeticIntensityI'm so freakin' tired...
17:06.25thebigdogman this morning sucks...good thing is is friday
17:06.25PoeticIntensitymy 17-month-old screamed from 2:00am until 5:00am
17:06.25PoeticIntensitywould NOT be consoled.
17:06.27thebigdogsame..i went too bed at 5am this morning
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17:06.27PoeticIntensityugh....
17:06.27PoeticIntensityI'm suckin' in the caffeine already..
17:06.27PoeticIntensityI usually wait until noon or so to jump in.
17:06.27SunSparcmgeary:  Sprechs du Deutsch?
17:06.27mgearyaber ja
17:06.27SunSparcSpass!
17:06.27Lone_WandererDoes anyone know of a free flash music (or sound file in general) player?
17:06.27mgearyLone_Wanderer: well hey. we haven't seen you for a while, have we?
17:06.27Lone_WandererNope, I've been busy.
17:06.27mgearyoh, yeah. 'cause the *rest* of us are just sittin' around
17:06.27SunSparcmgeary:  Cool.  I spent some time there.
17:06.27PoeticIntensitygood to see ya, Lone_Wanderer
17:06.27mgeary:)
17:06.28mgearySunSparc: where?
17:06.28PoeticIntensity;-)
17:06.28thebigdog~welcome Lone_Wanderer
17:06.29jbotWelcome to the party, Lone_Wanderer!
17:06.29SunSparcDeutchland
17:06.29PoeticIntensityLone_Wanderer, if you find a good flash music player (FOSS), *please* let me know what you find...
17:06.29Lone_WandererBusy with stuff that keeps me offline :p
17:06.29PoeticIntensityI'm going to start looking for one here soon.
17:06.29mgearywell, yeah. but *where*?
17:06.29SunSparcBerlin, Osterholz, and Nurnberg.
17:06.29mgearynice. what part(s) of Berlin?
17:06.29SunSparcWest mostly, back when it was East and West.  :)  But my mom loved to shop in the East.
17:06.29mgearycool
17:06.30Lone_WandererI met a girl from Berlin once.  She invited me to come stay with her while I was there.  Unfortunately, I was gone before she emailed me.
17:06.30Lone_WandererMet her in Bonn, where I was visiting another friend.
17:06.30mgearyBerlin is a remarkable city
17:06.30Lone_WandererGerman girls++
17:06.30Lone_WandererIs there still any division between the east and west there?
17:06.30mgearynot a physical one
17:06.30mgearybut otherwise, yeah, there is
17:06.30Lone_WandererI guess it'll take a while to fully dissolve.
17:06.35Lone_WandererWhat kind of division?  Social class?  Economic?
17:06.35mgearyit's been 15 years, and i'll probably take that much more. there's really a lot of complications
17:06.35mgearyall of the above
17:06.36SunSparcEurope in general is a remarkable place
17:06.36jsmith-lunchYeah... you can definitely tell which side you're on, even though there's no wall left
17:06.36beandoghey Lone_Wanderer , wb
17:06.36Lone_Wandererthanks beandog
17:06.36mgearymost East-germans wish the wall was back up
17:06.36jsmithI don't know that I'd say "most", but at least some do
17:06.37Lone_WandererWhy?
17:06.37mgearyjsmith: how many east germans do you know?
17:06.37mgeary'cause i know hundreds
17:06.37mgearynot trying to argue, just curious
17:06.37mgearygranted, they all value some of the things they've gained
17:06.37mgearybut life for them has really been changed. not always in good ways
17:06.37jsmithRight... I only know a few... so I'll trust you
17:06.37mgearyactually, i heard an interesting story on NPR a couple of days ago. apparently a far larger percentage of young professional women leave the East than men
17:06.37mgearywhich means that there are many single men in the East. these then tend to hang around and drink alcohol, which creates an escalating cycle of not-goodness
17:06.38mgearywhich also provides more recruitment fodder for skinhead groups
17:06.39Lone_Wanderersad
17:06.39mgearyit's sad, really, because having lived in East Germany for about 18 months, i'd really hate to see it become fully like West Germany. it had it's own feel. i about cried when i returned and saw a McDonalds in the little town of Eberswalde
17:06.39Lone_Wandererbeandog: codesteved right?
17:06.39beandogLone_Wanderer: huh?  oh, yah
17:06.39Lone_Wandererk
17:06.39beandogI forgot about that
17:06.39mgearyto close the East Germany loop--it's actually funny. A lot of the things i hear Iraqis say about the Saddam Hussein years resemble what East Germans have said
17:06.39mgeary"yes, we know we were oppressed, but it was a stable lifestyle"
17:06.39mgearyand now things are so chaotic and unpredictable
17:06.39mgearyi'm sure it will settle down eventually, but i guess it's just going to take time
17:06.40jsmithNobody said democracy was the most efficient for of gov't.... or the most fair
17:06.40beandogIve heard the same thing about Russia
17:06.40jsmithI saw the same in South America
17:06.40Lone_WandererDemocracy is nothing more than mob rule.
17:06.40jsmith"Under a dictator, there was no crime"
17:06.41PoeticIntensityand no freedom.
17:06.41mgearyyeah, but freedom is relative
17:06.41mgearythat sounds strange, but i believe it's true
17:06.41PoeticIntensityto knowledge...?
17:06.41mgearywe have nothing resembling absolute freedom here
17:06.41mgearynor should we
17:06.41mgearyabsolute freedom == anarchy
17:06.41beandogthats why Im moving to Canada
17:06.41PoeticIntensitywell...
17:06.41beandogor the Bahamas.
17:06.41mgearyand/or "might makes right"
17:06.41PoeticIntensitywe always have to equate "freedom" to "freedom's consequences"
17:06.41mgearyuhh. nice catch-up, jbot
17:06.43Lone_WandererWow, delayed reactions.
17:06.58beandogsoy una pirata
17:07.01beandogarrrre
17:07.44beandogYoud think after thousands of years of civilization, we wouldnt have trouble setting up a stable gov't
17:08.08mgearyheh. well you know what they say, "civilization is only one generation deep"
17:08.37PoeticIntensityI just have a hard time when people think that democracy isn't currently the best form of gov't, when the USA is, by far, the richest, most powerful, and ...... ... well...   I just believe that the USA stands for lots of good things, and I believe that democracy has a lot to do with that.
17:08.39orsonjI suppose if we all lived 5000 years, some things would be different
17:08.58thebigdogorsonj, just a few
17:09.06beandogjust think of the copyright extensions
17:09.07mgearyit's interesting to note that while we have one of the youngest cultures in the world, we actually have one of the oldest continuous *governments* in the world
17:09.09PoeticIntensitybringing down Saddam and the Berlin wall were *good* things.,
17:09.32orsonjfor starters population control
17:10.02mgearyPoeticIntensity: i don't disagree with bringing down the wall, but with Saddam, that's a very slippery slope
17:10.14mgearywhy him and not Kim Jong Il? Why not Sudan? Rwanda?
17:10.21thebigdogmgeary, im not sure 230+ years is all that long
17:10.23mgearyheck, why not China
17:10.38mgearythebigdog: it's relative, but it *is* one of the oldest continuous govt's in teh world
17:10.39beandogbecause we import from China, duh.
17:10.45PoeticIntensityyes.... it's a slippery slope, but that's a decision we make.  The action of bringing down a dictator who rules as Saddam did - IMO - is *always* a good thing.
17:11.09PoeticIntensitywhat comes after that is pretty darned complex.
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17:12.16mgearyinstability is arguably worse than oppression
17:12.24thebigdogmgeary, in comparision to the roman republic and the roman empire it is still fairly young
17:12.28PoeticIntensityI'm not ....... well...  to be honest, I'm completely confused as to whether what we're doing in Iraq right now is right or wrong.
17:12.44PoeticIntensitybut I believe 100% that we should have brought down Saddam.
17:12.48mgearythebigdog: i should have said, "...in existance"
17:12.49thebigdogbut influential none the less
17:12.57mgearyoppression generally contains itself. instability tends to spread
17:13.38thebigdogman my internet is slow today
17:14.08PoeticIntensitymgeary, I'm a rabid advocate of the human spirit.  Instability is bad, but can be worked out by good people.  Oppression is ..... evil.
17:14.08thebigdogthe entire internet is so slow - as my wife puts it
17:14.45PoeticIntensityman.... if they only had a little concept on how *fast* the internet *really* is.
17:14.59PoeticIntensityspeed of light, baby...
17:15.03PoeticIntensitydoesn't get much faster than that.
17:15.24beandogyou cant set a maxlength on a textarea can you?
17:15.33PoeticIntensitygood question.
17:15.35thebigdogunless you are s. hawking
17:15.44PoeticIntensityLOL - agreed.
17:16.07thebigdogbeandog, no  you cant
17:16.21beandogmeh.
17:16.24mgearyyou could do a javascript to simulate it
17:16.28thebigdogbeandog, required = cols and rows
17:16.36beandogI wonder if I can make a text input field to look like a textarea
17:16.39thebigdogoptional = disabled, name, readonly
17:16.49beandogjavascript ... meh, I suck at js
17:16.58thebigdogjust do like mgeary said and use validation on it
17:17.09PoeticIntensityman... a week of next-to-no-sleep coupled with a full week of caffeinated beverages...  Today I'm just freaking out of my head.
17:17.44thebigdogPoeticIntensity, add a teenager to that and welcome to thebigdog's world
17:18.05thebigdogLone_Wanderer left already?
17:19.27PoeticIntensitythebigdog, oh my goodness....
17:19.35beandogPoeticIntensity: how come no sleep?  writing music?
17:19.47PoeticIntensityI'd move into a motel or something.
17:20.00PoeticIntensitybeandog, no - kids.
17:20.06PoeticIntensitymy kids don't sleep.
17:20.12thebigdoganyone know what the url is for utah open source conf?
17:20.25PoeticIntensityI've been up every morning at around 4:00 because of Luci.
17:20.39PoeticIntensitylast night I got MAYBE a total of 3 hours of solid sleep.
17:20.43beandoghmm
17:20.45beandogpoopy.
17:20.53PoeticIntensityyeah... something will change.
17:20.56beandogI couldnt sleep the other night because of the heat.
17:21.07beandogIm sure youve got it worse though.
17:21.07PoeticIntensityI can imagine.
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17:21.21SunSparcI couldn't sleep the other night because I had to finish a quest on WoW.
17:21.28PoeticIntensityLOL
17:21.32SunSparc:)
17:21.34Lone_WandererPoeticIntensity: the US isn't a democracy, it's a republic.
17:21.44Lone_Wandererwhich quest SunSparc?
17:21.45SunSparcIt is a Democratic Republic
17:21.51PoeticIntensityyou'd think I'd be like.... "Dude!  That's YOUR freaking choice!", SunSparc, but.... believe it or not...  I totally understand.
17:21.51beandogSunSparc: what you said.
17:21.55thebigdogLone_Wanderer, is a slacker
17:21.56Lone_WandererBut it's not a direct democracy.
17:22.15Lone_WandererWhich I think is fortunate.
17:22.42PoeticIntensityLone_Wanderer, I don't know enough about the specifics... so you're gonna have problems with almost everything I just said..
17:22.42SunSparcLone_Wanderer:  getting some tools back for a guy
17:22.52Lone_Wandererin redridge mountains?
17:22.54PoeticIntensitymy point is:  The people should rule over the people who govern the country.
17:23.07Lone_WandererPI: no argument there
17:23.12PoeticIntensity:)
17:23.15SunSparcPI:  heeh
17:23.32Lone_WandererAlso I missed a lot of what you just said because my 'net connection was down.  So I guess we just averted a lot of arguing.
17:23.57Lone_WandererBecause the "retrieve my tools" quest in Redridge only takes about two minutes :p
17:23.58SunSparcLone_Wanderer: No, east of IronForge
17:24.05Lone_WandererBut there are a lot of that type of quest.
17:24.05PoeticIntensityhehe.... well... more like... "PoeticIntensity doesn't know what he's talking about" - and - "Yup... I don't, but I know what I mean." :)
17:24.21Lone_Wandererin Dun Morogh, or in the starting zone?
17:24.50Lone_Wanderererr... I forget the name of the zone, but it's got a big lake in the middle and a bunch of dark iron dwarves running around trying to blow up the dam
17:24.50SunSparcyeah, I did that Red Ridge one already.  This was in Dun Morogh in the middle of the lake
17:24.58Lone_Wandereroh yeah, with all the troggs
17:25.00Lone_Wandererthat one is annoying
17:25.01SunSparcYep
17:25.07SunSparcYeah, took me a while
17:25.14Lone_Wandererwhat's even more annoying though
17:25.18Lone_Wandereris playing an Alliance toon
17:25.31Lone_WandererEvery day when I shower, I imagine that I'm scrubbing the Alliance dirt off of me.
17:25.41Lone_WandererI'm still not clean :'(
17:25.48SunSparclol
17:25.54thebigdogLone_Wanderer, righto
17:26.06SunSparcYou must be a Horde fan
17:26.08SunSparc:)
17:26.13SunSparcLike bigdog
17:26.16thebigdognothing greater than killing alliance all day
17:26.17Lone_WandererEven worse, I rolled a gnome.  At least it wasn't a rogue.  I'd have to kill myself.
17:26.33thebigdoggnome rogues rock
17:26.35Lone_WandererI am a Horde fan.  Or, as I like to call it, "a reasonable human being" ;)
17:26.46SunSparclol
17:26.52SunSparcTo each his own.
17:27.13Lone_WandererHey, as long as you're not in the guild FEST on Deathwing, we can get along.
17:27.24SunSparcI told bigdog that I may be willing to do a horde character for a while to try it out.
17:27.28Lone_WandererOr Saturday's Warriors.  Those guys are almost worse than FEST.
17:27.40Lone_WandererJust be sure to avoid the Barrens.
17:27.51mgeary~wowschool mgeary
17:27.52SunSparcHmm, wonder what religion they profess.  :
17:27.54thebigdogi hate the barrens
17:28.00thebigdogim finally out with my 4 toons
17:28.11SunSparc"toons"?
17:28.12Lone_WandererI just decided to only play blood elves from now on.
17:28.18Lone_Wanderertoon = character
17:28.28SunSparcThat is what I thought.
17:28.41SunSparcIn WC3 my favorite was Night Elves.
17:28.52Lone_Wanderere.e
17:29.00thebigdogmy BE hunter rocks the world
17:29.26SunSparcIn Diablo my favorite was toon was a Pali.
17:29.34thebigdogLone_Wanderer, i got the corpsemaker for it
17:29.50beandogPaladins suck.
17:29.57beandogin Diablo 2 at least.
17:30.00Lone_Wandereroh cool
17:30.04beandogThe assassins are a lot of freaking fun.
17:30.13thebigdogmy hunter is so twinked
17:30.18Lone_WandererI've been playing arenas lately, and paladins are supremely annoying there.
17:30.39Lone_WandererWith a Paladin on your team, nobody will die.
17:30.41thebigdogyeah ive seen a lot of all pally groups
17:31.00Lone_WandererThat'd be a long fight.
17:31.01Lone_WandererI could just stand there and let them beat on me all day long.
17:31.01thebigdoghealing with plate armor...crazy
17:31.13Lone_Wandererthen warstomp, bandage, and let them keep going
17:31.15SunSparcI dig pallys
17:31.32Lone_WandererI've got a lowbie twink pally.
17:31.57SunSparcPally's are more support though
17:31.57Lone_WandererI can tell she annoys the Alliance in BGs because before too long they start focusing all their attacks on her as soon as she shows up.
17:32.25Lone_WandererWhich imho is just as good as me healing other people, because either way I'm mitigating the damage they take.
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17:38.55thebigdogwelcome to work timinator
17:39.03timinatorTY bigdog
17:39.09PoeticIntensityI'm sure he's gonna leave like... in 30 minutes....
17:39.19timinatorhar har har
17:39.20PoeticIntensityhe works a 30-minute work day... ;-)
17:39.25timinatorLOL
17:40.09timinatorI've been working since 5 am.... just not at my desk
17:40.17timinatorFor your information
17:41.03timinatorthey're just giving me a hard time cause I leave an irregular schedule
17:41.08PoeticIntensityyo, beandog, I'm pretty sure you're still in Utah - somewhere...
17:41.13timinatorthey're envious
17:41.24timinator:)
17:41.24PoeticIntensityflat-out-jealous, if ya ask me.
17:41.50timinatorLOL
17:41.54timinatorfor sure
17:48.10thebigdogi wish i worked for 30min a day
17:48.30thebigdogtiminator, probably has a boat he spends all his time one
17:48.36thebigdog.\..
17:49.19timinatorI'll throw a BBQ and invite you, so that you can spend some time on it too  :)
17:50.09timinatorjk.... dang!
17:50.56Lone_WandererHas dataw0lf been around much lately?
17:51.01mgearyyeah
17:51.08Lone_Wanderercool
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18:05.37mindjujuanybody know what the minimum fps is and still have motion look good?
18:05.55mgearyi'd say at least 15, preferably more like 24
18:05.58timinatorI've heard 24 fps several time
18:06.04timinators/time/times/
18:06.42mgearyis it for animation or shot footage?
18:07.03mindjujuit's a 3d globe rotating
18:07.11timinator24 for film
18:07.15timinatorbut I'm not a pro
18:07.25timinator(I don't even have a camcorder)
18:07.26timinatorLOL
18:07.30mindjujui've cropped it in premier to 300 x 200, and the avi is near 3mb
18:07.37mgearyIMHO you can go a bit lower for computer-generated video than you can for shot footage
18:07.37mindjujubut when i put into swf, the file size is 120kb
18:07.42mgearymindjuju: how long is it?
18:07.43mindjujutoo heavy for the web!
18:07.46mindjuju5 seconds
18:07.50mgearygeeze
18:07.56mgeary5 seconds should be less than 20kb, i'd say
18:08.04mgeary*maybe* 40
18:08.06mindjujuoh, that'd be soooo savory
18:08.17mindjujubut my padawan is in freakin' Cali
18:08.18mgearyis your source avi file really grainy?
18:08.21mindjujuand that leaves me to do it
18:08.31mindjujuno, source is super crisp
18:08.40mindjujulooks beautiful
18:08.57mgearypm me, and you can send me the file, and i'll see what i can do
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18:14.39thebigdogherlo, you around?
18:15.30herlothebigdog: I am
18:15.42thebigdogherlo, what is the url for the utah open source conf?
18:15.52herlothebigdog: to register, or just info?
18:16.03herlohttp://www.utosc.org and https://register.utosc.org
18:16.07thebigdoginfo
18:16.40herlothebigdog: what info do you want to know?  The topics are at register, I am currently working on getting a schedule up, but its not there yet
18:16.51thebigdogjust to check it out
18:16.56herlothebigdog: cool
18:24.14Lone_Wandererlater guys
18:33.36Utah_Daveman, I am in a groove.
18:33.45Utah_DaveI love it when code works the first time
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18:43.48PoeticIntensityUtah_Dave, I *love* those days...
18:43.57PoeticIntensityThe "I'm in the zone" days...
19:24.17beandoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEpvUNWN3k0
19:24.31beandogretro freaky goodness
19:32.33SunSparcPainful to watch.
19:32.43SunSparcBut same is correct, machines are perfect
19:32.44SunSparc:)
19:32.53SunSparcS.A.M.
19:41.00mgearynice 'fros
19:41.15mindjujui watched some sesame street, but i was a fan of captain kangeroo
19:45.05mindjujuoh and romper room
19:47.55mgearyElectric Co++
19:48.40mindjujui remember electric co with the "hey you guys!"
19:48.46mgearyyep
19:48.49mgearyand LetterMan
19:48.55mindjujudon't remember letterman
19:49.03mindjujudo you remember 3-2-1 Contact!
19:49.09mgearyoh yeah
19:49.11mgearythat was great
19:49.15mindjujuthat was a cool show, but for older children
19:49.16mgearyi remember the theme song
19:49.24mgearyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCqoB7ZFrF4
19:50.45mindjujuthat reminds me of picture pages  i always wanted to do picture pages, but my old man didn't want to spend the money on the booklets
19:51.24SunSparc3-2-1 Contact!  was awesome!
19:52.04SunSparcCapt Kangaroo was cool, I liked Bill Cosby's story time and the adventures of Simon and his chaulk world.
19:52.24mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytGedb0kJfU
19:52.32mindjujuthem girls are hawties!
19:53.05_psychic_zoobilee zoo
19:53.08mindjujulate 70s early 80s fashion was the absolute best
19:53.22mindjujuthat link, by the way, is for the 3-2-1 contact intro
19:54.00mindjujuthis reminds me of prime time shows my old man would watch  -- rockford files and Kojak
19:55.04mgearyHawaii-5 0
19:55.19mindjujuoh yeah!  he'd watch that one too
20:02.39mindjujuused to love this show -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUJu17fAnKU  -- i wish i could jump through a window, roll and come up on my feet like that swat guy does
20:05.20_psychic_haha
20:05.25_psychic_SWAT kats is on there
20:05.54_psychic_http://www.eff.org/legal/cases/att/small_att.png
20:06.50mindjujuoh, yeah, just heard about that deal with AT&T -- bunch of jerks
20:07.08mindjujui think fungus and I need to start a PAC
20:07.34fungushttp://ipaction.org/
20:07.51mindjujuwell, fungus beat me to it!
20:07.55mindjujucool, i'm joining!
20:08.09mindjujuthis is crap, just heard about AT&T yesterday
20:09.03fungusIPac is an extension of the EFF because the EFF is not legally allowed to do PAC things.
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20:19.31orsonjI've even heard of ipac, probably because I used to spend time around unum.
20:19.56thebigdogwps you around?
20:20.01wpsy
20:21.19thebigdogwps you going to uosc?
20:22.00wpsno, I don't think that I will be able to
20:22.13mgearyi'm going to try to go, i think
20:22.20thebigdogsame here
20:22.29thebigdogi figure i have ot support utah
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20:30.28brastoanyone here using drupal with the glossary extension?
20:42.13mgearyahh yeah
20:42.29mgeary~airsupply thebigdog
20:42.29jbotACTION takes thebigdog by the hand, hunkers down on one knee, gazes fondly into thebigdog's eyes, and croons, "'cause you're every woman in the world to meeeee...."
20:42.50thebigdog~vomit thebigdog
20:47.07orsonj~dhit thebigdog
20:47.07jbotACTION performs Dog Collar of the Heavens on thebigdog
20:47.25thebigdog~melvin orsonj
20:47.25jbotACTION pulls orsonj underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles
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21:06.54mindjujucorn nuts, yum!
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21:08.14Lone_WandererI am now a moderator on #uhphu
21:08.32Lone_WandererOp.  Whatever.
21:09.07mgeary~worship Lone_Wanderer
21:09.07jbotACTION genuflects before Lone_Wanderer.  "I'm not worthy!"
21:11.27thebigdoglol
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21:11.46thebigdoglol
21:11.56thebigdogLone_Wanderer, chanser no like you
21:12.12Lone_WandererDoes anyone here know whether it's possible to upload videos to youtube through your own site?
21:12.34Lone_WandererHmm, it should like me.  I'm already identified.
21:13.38mindjujui know there are APIs, but don't know if that one exists
21:13.39mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/dev
21:13.57Lone_Wandereryeah, I'm looking at that now, it doesn't look like it lets you upload from another site =(
21:16.22timinatorthebigdog: I haven't left yet, is that going to throw you off?
21:16.57thebigdogit makes my day a little better...cause now instead of thinking it is 2pm it is after 3pm
21:17.01thebigdogso that is :)
21:17.20timinatorLOL ...glad to accommodate :)
21:17.25thebigdogthe longer you stay timinator, the better my day is
21:18.11timinatorNICE
21:18.27timinator3:20 and counting
21:18.34thebigdogi know that is awesome
21:18.39timinatorLOL
21:18.51thebigdogthe day is dragging for me like PoeticIntensity
21:19.12thebigdogi went to bed at 5am this morning and then was up at 9:30am
21:19.35timinatorWe need to do another Ogden Geek Lunch at Crown Burger or something
21:19.49thebigdogyes, cause we do
21:22.36mindjujucurious
21:22.36mindjujuhttp://www.epiar.com/market-research-blog/2007/07/06/bizarre-searches-stranger-than-fiction/
21:23.05mindjujuhttp://photos1.blogger.com/photoInclude/x/blogger/3841/751/1600/271148/ActionJeans650.jpg
21:28.55thebigdogmindjuju, are you working?
21:29.07thebigdogLone_Wanderer, you get your box setup?
21:29.16Lone_Wandererbox?
21:29.19mindjujuyeah, waiting for something to finish rendering
21:29.22mindjujuwhat you got?
21:29.27thebigdogLone_Wanderer, when you playing wow with me
21:29.31Lone_Wandererohhh
21:29.33Lone_Wandereryeah!
21:29.38thebigdogmindjuju, you just surfing is all
21:29.40Lone_WandererI've been playing a lot lately, actually
21:29.42Lone_Wandererjust on Deathwing.
21:29.55Lone_WandererGive me your info and I'll roll a toon on your server tonight.
21:29.57mindjujuyeah, it's got like 2 minutes left
21:30.00thebigdogdeathwing sucks...bloodscalp is where it is at
21:30.07Lone_WandererDramawing ROOLZ
21:31.16SunSparcDharmawing rulez
21:31.48mindjujufungus !
21:32.25mindjuju@ fungus - http://blog.wired.com/music/2007/07/breaking-news-o.html  -- soundexchange won't be collecting dues on Monday
21:32.51PoeticIntensityugh.
21:34.34Lone_Wandererbye guys
21:34.57thebigdogwhat is soundsexchange?
21:35.01thebigdog~soundexchange
21:35.34mindjujuthe soundexchange is an organization (puppet of the RIAA) to collect royalties from webcasters
21:35.40thebigdogSunSparc, you there?
21:35.47thebigdogmindjuju, oh
21:35.50SunSparcSup?
21:36.10fungusvery nice, perhaps the blackout was effective.
21:36.27mindjujuyeah, sounds like it
21:36.36mindjujuno pun intended
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21:44.19josephscott__wps: ping
21:50.08wpsyes?
21:51.37josephscott__http://uphpu.org/2007/04/02/utah-graphic-artists-forum-launched/ has spam on it
21:52.02wpsthank you
21:52.07wpsgone
21:52.18wpsfeel free to let me know if you stumble across any others
21:52.39josephscott__they show up in my bloglines account because their CSS cloaking doesn't work there :-)
22:03.32orsonj$40 very tempting
22:10.30_psychic_I wanna see who and what is being presented....
22:11.31mindjujui'm pretty sure he's goign to have bios and pics up soon
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22:52.47_psychic_what's the EOF keystroke for DOS?
22:52.53_psychic_(ctrl+d in *nix)
22:53.11SunSparcCTRL + ALT + DEL
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22:53.35_psychic_probably just as effective
22:53.35SunSparcCTRL + Z
22:54.53_psychic_I think that's EOP
22:54.56_psychic_End of Patience
22:55.34SunSparcThat's it
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23:22.19timinatorI'm out... later ladies   :)
23:23.54SunSparcDitto, night!
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