| 00:00.23 | mindjuju | man, what i wouldn't give for some stock video |
| 00:00.57 | mindjuju | not good enough quality |
| 00:01.01 | wps | :) |
| 00:01.02 | mindjuju | need it for promo videos |
| 00:01.11 | mindjuju | hey, wps, where do you get stock video from? |
| 00:01.22 | wps | I have done very little with video in my life |
| 00:01.38 | mindjuju | bummer. |
| 00:01.43 | wps | you'll notice that there is only one piece in my portfolio under "motion" |
| 00:02.01 | mindjuju | we get our stock photography from dreamstime, though i think we'll get something from istockphoto |
| 00:02.15 | mindjuju | but istockphoto stuff is way too expensive for the starting budget i have |
| 00:02.23 | wps | huh? |
| 00:02.27 | wps | istock too expensive? |
| 00:02.43 | wps | I have never heard anyone say that before |
| 00:02.45 | mindjuju | at least the clips i was looking at... $200 for 30 seconds |
| 00:02.53 | mindjuju | yeah, most people have a real marketing budget |
| 00:02.59 | wps | oh… istock video |
| 00:03.03 | wps | I was thinking photos |
| 00:03.06 | wps | which are $1 |
| 00:03.24 | mindjuju | yeah, the stock video at istockphoto is expensive |
| 00:53.35 | Utah_Dave | ~lart mindjuju |
| 00:53.35 | jbot | sends a legion of lawyers after mindjuju's head |
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| 05:22.01 | mgeary | oy |
| 05:22.54 | herlo | mgeary: heh |
| 05:24.07 | mgeary | coming home, are ya? |
| 05:24.45 | herlo | tomorrow night |
| 05:25.12 | mgeary | whee |
| 05:25.21 | herlo | just had dinner W/ a friend in ny |
| 05:25.59 | herlo | last train til 4 am |
| 05:26.03 | mgeary | urgh |
| 05:26.38 | herlo | yeah, I sure hope its the right one |
| 05:27.35 | herlo | otherwise, my car will get towed! :) |
| 05:28.02 | mgeary | and you get to spend the night in the train station |
| 05:28.42 | herlo | yeah, actually I'd probably take a cab |
| 05:29.00 | mgeary | or that |
| 05:29.14 | herlo | yeah |
| 05:29.23 | mgeary | so, it's like, 9 AM for your body right now, no? |
| 05:29.38 | herlo | why? |
| 05:29.50 | mgeary | Ireland time |
| 05:29.58 | mgeary | make that 7:00 am |
| 05:29.58 | herlo | mgeary: Ireland was over 2 wks ago |
| 05:30.01 | mgeary | ooh |
| 05:30.05 | mgeary | thought you were just now coming back |
| 05:30.32 | herlo | nah. teaching a class in Jersey |
| 05:31.09 | mgeary | aah |
| 05:31.17 | herlo | what are u up to lately? |
| 05:31.54 | mgeary | work work work |
| 05:32.00 | mgeary | but we hired someone, which is good |
| 05:32.20 | herlo | training coming |
| 05:32.24 | mgeary | good luck |
| 05:32.43 | herlo | ciao |
| 05:32.48 | mgeary | later |
| 05:37.26 | herlo | back |
| 05:37.32 | mgeary | wrong train? |
| 05:37.42 | herlo | still have service on my treo |
| 05:37.46 | herlo | nah |
| 05:37.49 | mgeary | check you out |
| 05:37.52 | herlo | I even asked |
| 05:38.07 | herlo | that's ask-ed |
| 05:38.17 | mgeary | cool |
| 05:39.11 | herlo | so are u gonna come to the utah open source conference inSept? Its only $40 |
| 05:39.27 | mgeary | well, the price is certainly right |
| 05:39.40 | herlo | k) |
| 05:39.43 | mgeary | are there sessions posted at all? |
| 05:40.07 | herlo | we've got bruce perens (free) |
| 05:40.58 | herlo | next week |
| 05:41.14 | xyzmgeary | is the intent to have technical sessions? or more "here's why you should use OSS", or...? |
| 05:41.32 | herlo | two guys just started yelling at each other |
| 05:41.41 | herlo | both were kicked off |
| 05:42.06 | xyzmgeary | better than them staying on and trashing the train |
| 05:42.25 | herlo | yup. they were fighting over seats |
| 05:42.53 | herlo | the conductors were just laughing |
| 05:43.40 | herlo | pretty funny |
| 05:44.05 | herlo | probably losing signal at any point now. have a good night |
| 05:44.49 | herlo | xyzmgeary: we're gonna have both plus business sessions too |
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| 05:45.41 | xyzmgeary | sounds good. |
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| 06:47.21 | wps | I wish I was asleep |
| 07:03.08 | herlo | me too, I sure wish you were asleep |
| 07:03.18 | herlo | :) |
| 07:28.12 | wps | this is seriously one of the worst nights to be pulling an all-nighter |
| 07:28.21 | wps | I'm sick |
| 07:28.22 | wps | :( |
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| 13:19.47 | timinator | mawnin' |
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| 15:31.58 | mgeary | morning |
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| 15:38.45 | mgeary | hey |
| 15:39.16 | thebigdog | whatz up |
| 15:39.42 | mgeary | what do y'all use for HTML email sending? I've used Pears MailMime library, and a couple of rogue libraries, but this looks interesting: http://www.swiftmailer.org/ |
| 15:39.53 | mgeary | anyone got any experience with it (or something better)? |
| 15:48.52 | thebigdog | i dont email |
| 15:48.55 | thebigdog | only irc |
| 15:49.01 | PoeticIntensity | emailing is for dinosaurs. :) |
| 15:49.34 | PoeticIntensity | HTML email has been a yucky subject for me, programming-wise. |
| 15:49.47 | PoeticIntensity | I haven't found any really good solutions as of yet. |
| 15:49.57 | mgeary | we're gonna give this swiftmailer a go |
| 15:49.59 | PoeticIntensity | I've just created a template myself. |
| 15:50.16 | PoeticIntensity | do tell about what ya think afterwards, if you would be so noble. :) |
| 15:51.06 | mgeary | yup |
| 15:56.18 | timinator | I must be out of the loop..... what's going on with MacDocs in SLC? |
| 16:05.34 | thebigdog | they got a new burger i believe |
| 16:05.50 | timinator | new burger? |
| 16:06.27 | thebigdog | yea double cheese |
| 16:06.58 | timinator | no, I mean their site's down, and their phone vm sounds like a personal line now |
| 16:07.49 | thebigdog | stupid fry guy |
| 16:07.57 | timinator | s/site's down/site is no longer registered/ |
| 16:09.56 | timinator | come on jbot!!! |
| 16:16.41 | timinator | BRB |
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| 16:45.37 | thebigdog | timinator is so considerate |
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| 16:55.34 | thebigdog | ~welcome Ritter |
| 16:55.35 | jbot | Good to see you, Ritter! |
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| 17:13.10 | _psychic_ | anyone know how to see what hosting company might have control over a given IP? |
| 17:13.43 | _psychic_ | ah |
| 17:13.44 | _psychic_ | http://www.arin.net/whois/ |
| 17:31.04 | mgeary | you know, Apple selling MacBook Pros with 512 megs of RAM is like selling a Ferrari with cement tires |
| 17:31.41 | dataw0lf | you mean an overpriced Mazda |
| 17:31.47 | dataw0lf | with a body kit |
| 17:32.27 | dataw0lf | oh, ok |
| 17:32.32 | dataw0lf | a really cool looking body kit |
| 17:32.38 | mgeary | heh |
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| 17:52.16 | fungus | Yeah, and they charge a fortune to buy real tires. Buy the one with cement tires there, and take it elsewhere for the rubber ones. :) |
| 17:55.34 | mgeary | exactly |
| 17:55.49 | mgeary | i just bought 2 1GB chips for my wife's computer. total bill: $84 |
| 17:56.55 | mgeary | huh. well, it seems that Apple has listened to my gripe. You can now no longer get a MacBook Pro with less than 2GB of RAM. of course, to double that is an upcharge of $750 |
| 17:57.06 | mgeary | but at least they're starting at a realistic point now |
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| 18:16.23 | beandog | ~beat stupid image caching |
| 18:16.24 | jbot | ACTION beats stupid image caching with a dripping-wet & less-than-fresh fish |
| 18:20.35 | jsmith | dataw0lf: At least that's one thing we can agree on... sushi |
| 18:20.49 | jsmith | dataw0lf: (and maybe patriotism, based on your earlier comment) |
| 18:21.35 | dataw0lf | yea, I got a bowl of fresh shrimp and a bunch of california rolls, amaebi, and ebi |
| 18:21.51 | dataw0lf | brain food in the morning |
| 18:22.02 | dataw0lf | I guess it isn't really morning anymore |
| 18:22.12 | dataw0lf | but I'm going to Jack in the Box at lunch in two hours |
| 18:25.30 | bradym | ~lart ie |
| 18:25.30 | jbot | steals ie's mojo |
| 18:25.45 | bradym | lol - ie doesn't have any mojo to steal.. |
| 18:47.58 | mgeary | okay |
| 18:48.07 | mgeary | following up on our table/css conversation from yesterday |
| 18:48.25 | mgeary | here's a page in question with two approaches to the same objective: |
| 18:48.46 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/13262/ |
| 18:49.12 | mgeary | http://166.70.44.60/dev/mg/align.htm |
| 18:49.26 | mgeary | personally, i think that the table approach is much more intuitive |
| 18:50.01 | mgeary | can anyone either convince me otherwise, or find a more intuitive css approach to achieving this? |
| 18:51.34 | wps | what are you trying to do? |
| 18:51.38 | wps | just have left/right columns? |
| 18:51.55 | mgeary | have one line of text with one blurb left-aligned and one blurb right-aligned |
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| 18:52.34 | wps | and you don't like the floats? |
| 18:52.42 | mgeary | i personally hate floats |
| 18:52.50 | mgeary | my uncle was killed by a float |
| 18:53.21 | dataw0lf | Mine too! |
| 18:58.05 | mgeary | anyway, wps, do you have any useful insights? |
| 18:58.13 | wps | no |
| 18:58.39 | mgeary | what i actually dislike about the floats is the necessity to have the div with the "clear: both" to force the parent dive to encompass the floats |
| 18:58.58 | mgeary | i mean, tell me that's not just as much a hack as using a table |
| 18:59.04 | wps | yup |
| 18:59.10 | wps | although I prefer it over a table |
| 18:59.22 | wps | won't it be a beautiful day when browsers finally support columns |
| 18:59.35 | mgeary | seriously |
| 19:00.01 | mgeary | you know what'd also be nice? |
| 19:00.21 | mgeary | the ability to specify a css selector in a style attribute |
| 19:00.33 | mgeary | so you don't have to make a class for teensy stuff |
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| 19:00.57 | mgeary | e.g. <table style='td {font-size: 10px}'> |
| 19:01.07 | wps | interesting |
| 19:01.11 | wps | never thought of that |
| 19:01.17 | mgeary | good idea, eh? |
| 19:01.25 | wps | eeee… |
| 19:01.28 | mgeary | heh |
| 19:01.29 | wps | I don't like inline |
| 19:01.39 | mgeary | i like inline for very surgical, just-in-time kind of stuff |
| 19:02.47 | wps | yeah |
| 19:03.29 | mgeary | but if every cell on a table could get a surgical fix with an inline at the table level, that'd be nice |
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| 19:20.45 | mindjuju | Holy !!!! - Free money! -- http://kutv.com/local/local_story_180140500.html |
| 19:21.32 | mgeary | heh |
| 19:21.40 | mgeary | "YIP, FAT YEUNG" that's a great name |
| 19:26.06 | mgeary | man, anyone remember Carnation Breakfast Bars? I want one of those right now |
| 19:27.53 | mindjuju | i remember the commercials, i think, but never had one |
| 19:28.04 | mgeary | they were awesome |
| 19:28.24 | mgeary | http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://static.flickr.com/25/92601479_a57bffc4ec_o.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mistertoast.blogspot.com/2006/01/carnation-breakfast-bars.html&h=700&w=794&sz=174&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=1ct6izpFhLsSvM:&tbnh=126&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcarnation%2B%2522breakfast%2Bbar%2522%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den |
| 19:28.28 | mgeary | doh! |
| 19:28.32 | mgeary | http://mistertoast.blogspot.com/2006/01/carnation-breakfast-bars.html |
| 19:33.48 | herlo | mgeary: holy moly |
| 19:33.55 | mgeary | eeh? :) |
| 19:34.01 | mgeary | flash from the past, eh? |
| 19:34.22 | herlo | mgeary: no, the first url! |
| 19:34.47 | mgeary | kinda long. sorry. |
| 19:36.01 | mindjuju | ugh, sounds like people are going bonkers on the iPhone. i bet most show up on eBay |
| 19:36.19 | mindjuju | not because iPhones stink, but because of resellers |
| 19:37.28 | beandog | well poop, my names not on there |
| 19:37.43 | beandog | Im sure I could pass for Juanita though. |
| 19:38.00 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm going to add some letters to my last name and claim some $$$ |
| 19:40.12 | mindjuju | that's so awesome that they got kevin rose in line for the iphone - http://valleywag.com/tech/iphone/kevin-rose-and-alex-albrecht-in-iphone-line-on-cnbc-273664.php |
| 19:40.19 | beandog | ~homestar PoeticIntensity |
| 19:42.18 | mgeary | man. that's just silly |
| 19:42.38 | mgeary | i don't see how anyone with kids can get on board the iPhone bandwagon |
| 19:42.50 | mgeary | there's just more important ways to spend money, imho |
| 19:43.03 | mindjuju | true that, like the Canon 20 D |
| 19:43.11 | mgeary | exactly ;) |
| 19:43.26 | _psychic_ | somehow I doubt Kevin Rose doesn't have the moola to spend on his kids |
| 19:43.51 | mgeary | well, not specifically speaking about Mr. Rose. |
| 19:44.01 | mgeary | but even so, i mean, do ya have to have it *today*?? |
| 19:44.10 | mgeary | whatever. let them have their fun |
| 19:44.33 | mindjuju | i still remember my last purchase as a single man |
| 19:44.42 | mgeary | but while i'm squarely in the Mac-fanboy camp, i'm not even worked up the slightest over the iPHone |
| 19:44.42 | mindjuju | $400 scanner |
| 19:45.09 | mindjuju | seems like somebody here on the IRC has 2 $350 vid SLI cards |
| 19:46.06 | mgeary | so, anyone see that fire in north-east Provo yesterday? |
| 19:46.15 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 19:46.19 | PoeticIntensity | saw the smoke from springville... |
| 19:46.21 | PoeticIntensity | what happened? |
| 19:46.25 | mindjuju | yeah, was down in orem at Mcgraths and saw it |
| 19:46.40 | mgeary | that's about a half-mile due north of my house |
| 19:47.04 | mgeary | apparently a city grounds worker was mowing some brush, and he hit a rock. it caused a spark and.... |
| 19:47.47 | PoeticIntensity | well heck... with how hot it was yesterday, I believe it... |
| 19:47.51 | mindjuju | that's just crazy that something like that starts a fire |
| 19:48.10 | mgeary | seriously |
| 19:48.22 | mindjuju | that's like saying that a shod horse stepping on flint while farting started the fire |
| 19:49.11 | mgeary | heh |
| 19:49.37 | PoeticIntensity | that's probably what happened. |
| 19:49.37 | mgeary | if horses pass gas in quantities at all resembling the quantities they urinate, that'd be more likely to cause an explosion than a mere fire |
| 19:49.45 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 19:50.12 | PoeticIntensity | The dude cutting the grass probably farted while smoking.... |
| 19:50.15 | PoeticIntensity | that's what really started the fire. |
| 19:51.12 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:51.24 | mindjuju | ok, i give up. Google take over now |
| 19:51.37 | mindjuju | check this out |
| 19:51.38 | mindjuju | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&saddr=san+jose,+ca&daddr=San+Francisco,+CA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=46.677964,82.265625&ie=UTF8&z=10&om=1 |
| 19:51.52 | mindjuju | you can DRAG the blue line if you don't like Google's track |
| 19:52.53 | mindjuju | how can anybody but Steven Hawkings compete with Google? |
| 19:53.49 | jsmith | mindjuju: Pretty cool, isn't it?!? |
| 19:53.58 | mindjuju | i'm blown away |
| 19:54.57 | mindjuju | i'd be afraid of the Goose that laid the golden egg syndrome |
| 19:55.04 | mindjuju | wouldn't want to nationalize a good thing |
| 19:57.21 | jsmith | No... but we might need a Department just to deal with it's scope :-) |
| 20:20.01 | Utah_Dave | sweet! I just finished a little bash script that exports the latest codebase from svn, runs sed to change a few options and updates a database |
| 20:20.24 | Utah_Dave | This used to be such a pain in the behind. |
| 20:20.26 | jsmith | Very nice... |
| 20:21.07 | jsmith | Automation is good |
| 20:21.07 | mindjuju | if you could get the script to go get me a taco, that'd be better |
| 20:21.07 | Utah_Dave | #!/bin/bash |
| 20:22.01 | Utah_Dave | sed -i 's_mindjuju['hand']['mouse']_mindjuju['hand']['taco']_g' mindjuju |
| 20:22.15 | mindjuju | heh |
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| 20:38.50 | jsmith | ~buy mindjuju a taco |
| 20:38.51 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen a tacos for mindjuju |
| 20:39.06 | mindjuju | thx for the tacos! |
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| 21:16.37 | mindjuju | it's Partay time! |
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| 21:17.50 | brasto | anyone here good with SEO? |
| 21:17.57 | brasto | Search Engine Optimization? |
| 21:18.15 | mindjuju | yeah, optikal is and swb is, but neither are in at the moment |
| 21:18.40 | PoeticIntensity | mindjuju, I just tried the whole drag thing in google... |
| 21:18.49 | mindjuju | yeah, you like? |
| 21:18.52 | PoeticIntensity | holy..... |
| 21:18.54 | PoeticIntensity | cow.... |
| 21:18.57 | brasto | strange thing... a guy paid me $20 just to find him an SEO... |
| 21:19.05 | PoeticIntensity | this is a FREAKING WEB APPLICATION, PEOPLE! |
| 21:19.10 | PoeticIntensity | how in the.... |
| 21:19.13 | PoeticIntensity | wow. |
| 21:19.20 | mindjuju | yeah, Google rules |
| 21:19.22 | mindjuju | i give up |
| 21:19.28 | mindjuju | ~seen optikal |
| 21:20.03 | jbot | optikal <n=optikal@optikal.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 57d 19h 39m 14s ago, saying: 'Msg me email for invite'. |
| 21:20.03 | mindjuju | brasto, you'll prolly find him in #utah |
| 21:20.03 | mindjuju | but let's see where jbot says he is |
| 21:20.08 | *** join/#uphpu SunSparc (n=ask@67.42.26.87) |
| 21:20.17 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 21:20.28 | mindjuju | i've got swb IM, i'll ask her if she's up for a consult |
| 21:24.04 | brasto | cool, thanks |
| 21:24.17 | mindjuju | brasto, PM sent |
| 21:28.47 | mindjuju | why does the name jonathan duncan seem so familiar? |
| 21:30.28 | wps | he dated your mom |
| 21:30.44 | PoeticIntensity | Johnathan Duncan is a pretty cool guy. |
| 21:30.51 | PoeticIntensity | he worked for Eli Kirk. |
| 21:30.54 | mindjuju | haven't been in a your momma fight in a long time |
| 21:30.55 | PoeticIntensity | maybe still does. |
| 21:31.25 | dataw0lf | your momma is sitting on my lap right now |
| 21:31.28 | mindjuju | is that you PoeticIntensity? |
| 21:31.49 | wps | wow, mindjuju, she gets around |
| 21:32.06 | SunSparc | MindJuju: I am the person you are asking about. |
| 21:32.19 | SunSparc | Thanks Poetic! |
| 21:32.19 | mindjuju | ~bonk wps and his old yo momma jokes |
| 21:32.20 | jbot | ACTION bonks wps and his old yo momma jokes over the head |
| 21:32.20 | SunSparc | :) |
| 21:32.26 | mgeary | SunSparc is mindjuju's mom? |
| 21:32.28 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v dataw0lf] by ChanServ |
| 21:32.33 | dataw0lf | yea, she's sitting on my lap |
| 21:32.48 | mgeary | SunSparc is sitting on dataw0lf? |
| 21:33.07 | dataw0lf | someone is |
| 21:33.10 | dataw0lf | and it's mindjuju's mom |
| 21:33.11 | SunSparc | hehe |
| 21:33.16 | SunSparc | I am noones momma |
| 21:35.00 | PoeticIntensity | SunSparc must be the infamous Johnathan Duncan |
| 21:35.07 | PoeticIntensity | You still working at EliKirk? |
| 21:36.21 | SunSparc | I am not |
| 21:36.29 | SunSparc | :( |
| 21:37.33 | SunSparc | Been to 2 other companies since Eli Kirk |
| 21:38.40 | SunSparc | They are a good company |
| 21:51.40 | brasto | cool mindjuju, I didn't know you could ~term to a whole phrase... |
| 21:52.44 | brasto | Hey SunSparc, we met the other day, I'm Brandon Stout |
| 21:53.40 | brasto | ~brastotack SunSparc and the whole UPHPU IRC group |
| 21:53.41 | jbot | ACTION lectures SunSparc and the whole UPHPU IRC group on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until SunSparc and the whole UPHPU IRC group can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 21:53.43 | SunSparc | Hey Brandon! |
| 21:53.49 | SunSparc | How goes it? |
| 21:53.59 | brasto | lol, hey, at work now, but other than that, fine... |
| 21:54.41 | SunSparc | fine at work is good :) |
| 21:55.10 | brasto | lol, yep, usually |
| 21:55.23 | SunSparc | How are the servers today? |
| 21:58.46 | brasto | servers are doing well |
| 21:59.31 | SunSparc | Glad to hear it |
| 21:59.53 | SunSparc | iPhone is release in NYC right now! |
| 22:00.01 | SunSparc | Two more hours for us in Utah |
| 22:00.25 | mgeary | ~stevejobsify SunSparc |
| 22:00.26 | jbot | ACTION drags SunSparc by the scruff of the neck and plants him in front row center of the Moscone Center at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address until SunSparcs eyes glaze over and he calms down |
| 22:00.28 | mgeary | oh no! |
| 22:00.29 | brasto | iPhone? |
| 22:00.39 | mgeary | SunSparc is suffering from an overdose of Reality Distortion |
| 22:00.44 | SunSparc | lol |
| 22:00.47 | brasto | ~iPhone |
| 22:00.48 | SunSparc | Yes, he is |
| 22:00.56 | mgeary | ~nerdschool SunSparc |
| 22:00.56 | jbot | ACTION chains SunSparc to a molded-fiberglass all-in-one desk/chair, fills his backpack with sci-fi and fantasy novels, and plants him in Norm Bangerter's Elementary Physics class for re-indoctrination. |
| 22:01.06 | mgeary | ;) |
| 22:02.45 | brasto | ~iPhone |
| 22:03.11 | SunSparc | Oh yeah, I have kids... maybe I should go play with themm |
| 22:07.30 | brasto | ~forget kids |
| 22:07.30 | jbot | i forgot kids, brasto |
| 22:07.48 | brasto | oh, that's not what I thought it would do... |
| 22:07.55 | brasto | ~forget brasto |
| 22:08.12 | brasto | ~no brasto |
| 22:08.19 | mgeary | will SOMEbody please think of the *children*!? |
| 22:08.45 | brasto | jbot, brasto is one cool guy. |
| 22:08.46 | jbot | ...but brasto is already something else... |
| 22:08.51 | mgeary | hahahahaha |
| 22:09.00 | brasto | dumb jbot... |
| 22:09.17 | mgeary | jbot: brasto is ALSO and one cool guy |
| 22:09.18 | jbot | mgeary: okay |
| 22:09.20 | mgeary | ~brasto |
| 22:09.21 | jbot | i guess brasto is a day late and a dollar short, or looks good when he's going to the prom, or cool, or cool, or a nerd, or not available, or and one cool guy |
| 22:09.30 | *** join/#uphpu swb (n=designsi@box41.bluehost.com) |
| 22:09.30 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v swb] by ChanServ |
| 22:09.32 | mgeary | aww, the "or" got me |
| 22:12.25 | brasto | swb, the site Steve wants SEO on could be anything, I emailed him, told him to expect a call from you and told him you are eager to know what sites to look at to start. |
| 22:12.25 | swb | good Friday afternoon |
| 22:12.40 | swb | ok, thnx brasto! |
| 22:12.57 | brasto | btw, did you lose my email? |
| 22:17.59 | mindjuju | hey, anybody here write JS? |
| 22:18.10 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:18.16 | mindjuju | cool |
| 22:18.36 | mindjuju | k, here's what i got. i've got an input field called textCount, and i've got a textarea you can write in |
| 22:18.57 | mindjuju | right now, i'm saying that the length of the characters in the textarea should be shown in textCount |
| 22:19.03 | mindjuju | it's all happy, EXCEPT |
| 22:19.18 | mindjuju | i have to click out of the textarea for the textCount to update |
| 22:19.27 | mgeary | do it in onChange() |
| 22:19.34 | mgeary | rather than onBlur() |
| 22:19.34 | mindjuju | is there a way to show the char count while typing |
| 22:19.38 | mgeary | ^ |
| 22:19.41 | _psychic_ | or onkeyup |
| 22:19.43 | mindjuju | i'm doing it onChange |
| 22:19.44 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:19.46 | mgeary | oh yeah? |
| 22:19.48 | mindjuju | oh, on keypu! |
| 22:19.49 | mgeary | try keyup() |
| 22:19.52 | mindjuju | k, i'll try that |
| 22:21.11 | mindjuju | SEXY! |
| 22:21.18 | mindjuju | thx to all |
| 22:21.34 | _psychic_ | the only tricky thing with onkeyup is event backpacking |
| 22:21.41 | _psychic_ | with ajax |
| 22:22.19 | mindjuju | no ajax on this form, just simple database update |
| 22:22.45 | _psychic_ | but not on keyup, right? |
| 22:22.45 | _psychic_ | (no update on the keyup) |
| 22:22.49 | mindjuju | yeah, it's only doing a charCount |
| 22:22.52 | mindjuju | on a textarea |
| 22:22.58 | _psychic_ | kewl |
| 22:23.41 | *** join/#uphpu cole_joplin (n=Cole@c-76-27-53-176.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:24.05 | swb | cole! how's the new job? |
| 22:24.13 | cole_joplin | awesome |
| 22:24.19 | swb | yay |
| 22:24.20 | cole_joplin | next week I actually get to code |
| 22:24.25 | cole_joplin | hang on a sec |
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| 22:24.53 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v _psychic_] by ChanServ |
| 22:27.00 | brasto | cool! cole_joplin frequents the UPHPU IRC channel now! |
| 22:27.15 | dataw0lf | chicka chicka |
| 22:27.20 | brasto | hi cole_joplin, I'm Brandon Stout |
| 22:27.31 | dataw0lf | awwww man, I'm officially a boyfriend now |
| 22:27.32 | dataw0lf | :| |
| 22:27.38 | dataw0lf | how do these things happen to me |
| 22:27.51 | mindjuju | k, tell us the details |
| 22:28.04 | mindjuju | weren't you dating a doctor a little while ago? |
| 22:28.10 | dataw0lf | no, a girl in med school |
| 22:28.18 | mindjuju | oh, yeah, knew it was med related |
| 22:28.20 | dataw0lf | now I'm dating a film student |
| 22:28.41 | dataw0lf | stderr.ws/media/dump/jenna.jpg <- girl in the middle |
| 22:28.52 | dataw0lf | I'm getting her to make a documentary on the hacker underground subculture |
| 22:29.20 | mindjuju | which one is she? |
| 22:29.32 | dataw0lf | girl in the middle |
| 22:29.37 | mgeary | notice the subliminal message in the URL |
| 22:29.41 | mgeary | "dump/jenna.jpg" |
| 22:29.43 | dataw0lf | MINDJUJU ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION |
| 22:29.47 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 22:29.53 | mindjuju | oh yeah |
| 22:29.54 | dataw0lf | mgeary: yea, she made a point of noticing that too |
| 22:29.57 | mgeary | hah |
| 22:30.17 | mgeary | we know you, dataw0lf. we know you're just using her for her.... |
| 22:30.19 | mindjuju | sorry, writting a quick app, doing my best MC Hammer dance moves and IMing like crazy |
| 22:30.20 | mgeary | ...hat |
| 22:30.41 | dataw0lf | it is quite a lovely.... |
| 22:30.42 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you should take her to defcon |
| 22:30.42 | dataw0lf | ... hat |
| 22:30.47 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: done and done |
| 22:30.59 | dataw0lf | you should come mindjuju |
| 22:31.05 | dataw0lf | and enjoy the festivities with me |
| 22:31.11 | mindjuju | i'd love to |
| 22:31.16 | dataw0lf | help carry a drunk dataw0lf to his room every night |
| 22:31.30 | mindjuju | but i'd want to know more about stuff before going |
| 22:31.35 | mindjuju | so i don't reek of noob |
| 22:31.43 | dataw0lf | you'd be with me, you'd be fine |
| 22:31.51 | dataw0lf | and trust me, there are kids there far more noob stank than you |
| 22:32.57 | mindjuju | there was hacker conference in DC i wished i'd have know about before it launched |
| 22:33.05 | mindjuju | i would have broken arms to go |
| 22:33.28 | mindjuju | jit was on web form probing, sql inject, XSS, etc |
| 22:34.08 | dataw0lf | schmoo? |
| 22:34.17 | mindjuju | yup |
| 22:34.19 | dataw0lf | err, shmoo |
| 22:34.23 | dataw0lf | yea, it's a fun one |
| 22:34.47 | mindjuju | front door hackin' ain't my style, but forms and sql, i think i'm alright |
| 22:34.58 | cole_joplin | Brandon has a girlfriend? |
| 22:35.06 | mindjuju | Josh does |
| 22:35.25 | dataw0lf | I always have a girlfriend, seems like |
| 22:35.34 | mindjuju | nothing wrong with a GF |
| 22:35.40 | dataw0lf | I guess |
| 22:35.41 | mindjuju | makes the days go by better |
| 22:35.43 | mgeary | unless she's not your wife |
| 22:35.56 | mindjuju | oh, yeah, well some of us married our GFs |
| 22:36.05 | dataw0lf | HA! I'm not falling for that one! |
| 22:37.01 | swb | 27 <@mindjuju> k, tell us the details |
| 22:37.09 | swb | oops |
| 22:37.22 | mindjuju | so, what is she going to do with her film degree? direct? produce? |
| 22:37.30 | dataw0lf | directing / editing |
| 22:37.50 | mindjuju | ~wiki director |
| 22:38.10 | mindjuju | ~wiki Producer |
| 22:38.50 | mindjuju | k, whatever that means |
| 22:39.06 | cole_joplin | Brandon has a girlfriend???? |
| 22:39.28 | dataw0lf | John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt |
| 22:39.32 | dataw0lf | that's, my name too |
| 22:39.38 | dataw0lf | whenever we go out |
| 22:39.42 | dataw0lf | the people always shout |
| 22:39.53 | dataw0lf | there goes John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt! |
| 22:39.57 | dataw0lf | lalalalalalalalala |
| 22:40.07 | cole_joplin | I'm just playing with you, sorry |
| 22:40.16 | cole_joplin | I'll do this again |
| 22:40.35 | cole_joplin | dataw0lf has a girlfriend??? (greater puzlement) |
| 22:40.40 | mindjuju | i say we send a delegation to shmoo next year |
| 22:41.04 | mgeary | it shouldn't surprise one that dataw0lf has a girlfriend |
| 22:41.12 | mgeary | it should surprise that a girlfriend has dataw0lf ;) |
| 22:41.21 | dataw0lf | true dat |
| 22:41.28 | dataw0lf | I have many fans |
| 22:41.37 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I'm down |
| 22:41.47 | cole_joplin | dataw0lf->girlfriend |
| 22:41.48 | mindjuju | serious dude, let's do that one |
| 22:42.00 | mgeary | now, now, cole_joplin |
| 22:42.00 | mindjuju | i did some stuff for eBay and don't want to loose the skills |
| 22:42.01 | dataw0lf | alright. I already planned on goin' |
| 22:42.11 | mgeary | you know that girlfriend is a private variable |
| 22:42.14 | mgeary | ~rimshot |
| 22:42.15 | jbot | ba-dum CHH |
| 22:42.35 | cole_joplin | I was thinking she was a protected property |
| 22:42.45 | mgeary | not unless she's inheritable |
| 22:42.54 | mindjuju | plus while we are out there, jsmith-away can put us up |
| 22:43.22 | cole_joplin | inheritance, fine, but what about polymorphism? |
| 22:43.24 | dataw0lf | if(len(dataw0lf.get('girlfriend')) > 1) { dataw0lf.sanity = NONE; } |
| 22:43.43 | dataw0lf | I can barely handle one, I don't understand how people can cheat |
| 22:43.53 | dataw0lf | I'd probably bite my own arm off trying to escape |
| 22:43.53 | mgeary | python, eh? but why the curly braces? |
| 22:44.22 | dataw0lf | mgeary: not really a language, it's pseudocode |
| 22:44.33 | mgeary | :) |
| 22:44.44 | dataw0lf | the worst thing about Python is how hard it is to do humorous code anecdotes in IRC |
| 22:44.58 | mgeary | yeah, you'd have to use a pastebin |
| 22:45.01 | dataw0lf | somebody interrupts and your indentation is completely off |
| 22:45.06 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:47.50 | cole_joplin | I can't get it into my head today's friday |
| 22:48.00 | dataw0lf | WOOHOO |
| 22:48.12 | mindjuju | fat tire? |
| 22:48.15 | cole_joplin | I can't get it into my head dataw0lf has a girlfriend, no pseudocode or anything |
| 22:48.18 | dataw0lf | excellent beer |
| 22:48.33 | mindjuju | i pulled out a tall cold IBC root beer a little while ago |
| 22:48.33 | dataw0lf | cole_joplin: An amazingly cute and intelligent girlfriend at that |
| 22:48.35 | dataw0lf | so HA |
| 22:48.38 | mindjuju | but still coding like crazy |
| 22:48.43 | cole_joplin | ahn perhaps I need alcohol for it all to sink in |
| 22:48.56 | cole_joplin | good for you |
| 22:48.57 | mindjuju | make it a double, it's friday |
| 22:48.57 | mgeary | hmm |
| 22:49.17 | mgeary | you know, it's only on dataw0lf's word that he has a girlfriend... what we need is....CORROBORATION! |
| 22:49.34 | mindjuju | scandalous allegations |
| 22:49.37 | dataw0lf | stderr.ws/media/dump/jenna.jpg |
| 22:49.45 | dataw0lf | AND SHE'S ON MY TOP FRIENDS IN MYSPACE |
| 22:49.51 | dataw0lf | YOU KNOOOOW WE HAVE TO BE DATING! |
| 22:49.55 | mgeary | oh, well gee, NOW i'm convinced |
| 22:49.59 | mindjuju | are you saying mgeary that he could have just image.google.com and made up the name |
| 22:50.23 | dataw0lf | hmph |
| 22:50.51 | cole_joplin | I'll drink to ya, dataw0lf, enjoy it while you're in the ether |
| 22:51.12 | dataw0lf | http://a616.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/01546/51/62/1546592615_l.jpg |
| 22:51.19 | dataw0lf | how could anyone that sexy NOT have a girlfriend |
| 22:51.21 | mindjuju | i think what mgeary wants is some audio from Jenna posted to your site saying something like "dataw0lf is hawt" |
| 22:51.24 | dataw0lf | This is the question I pose to you |
| 22:51.40 | mindjuju | or "oooo, baby baby, dataw0lf does it for me" |
| 22:51.51 | mgeary | or, "hit me baby one more time" |
| 22:51.59 | dataw0lf | she be in costa rica right now, or it'd be done and done |
| 22:52.52 | mindjuju | k, i'd be willing to wait |
| 22:53.09 | dataw0lf | alright, it shall be done |
| 22:53.11 | mindjuju | if you get her to say that, i'll mix it in with the bigdog soundbyte i have |
| 22:53.27 | dataw0lf | that'd be hawt |
| 22:54.04 | dataw0lf | have I shown you guys the new tattoo I'm getting this weekend? |
| 22:54.45 | mindjuju | which one is it? |
| 22:55.20 | dataw0lf | http://www.johnlangdon.net/gallery.html |
| 22:55.22 | dataw0lf | Page 2 |
| 22:55.29 | dataw0lf | bottom row, second from the left |
| 22:55.52 | dataw0lf | when you look at it from the top, it says "art & science" and from the bottom "philosophy" |
| 22:55.55 | cole_joplin | what does Zooos mean? |
| 22:56.18 | dataw0lf | I think that's Logos |
| 22:57.10 | mgeary | wow, is your tattoo going to rotate like that? |
| 22:57.14 | mgeary | that'd be a neat trick |
| 22:57.34 | mindjuju | that's a cool tat |
| 22:57.53 | dataw0lf | mgeary: I wish |
| 22:58.04 | dataw0lf | I still am working on getting some cybernetic enhancements |
| 23:00.06 | cole_joplin | wait a few years first |
| 23:00.28 | dataw0lf | I DONT WANNA |
| 23:00.49 | cole_joplin | you become the bionic man now, and you'll wake up the next day in Baghdad with a squirt gun in your hand |
| 23:01.09 | dataw0lf | I've already been to baghdad, they can't send me back |
| 23:01.39 | cole_joplin | ha!!! |
| 23:01.41 | mindjuju | i'm thinking of getting one of these tats for me |
| 23:01.42 | mindjuju | http://www.bmezine.com/news/pubring/20040720.html |
| 23:01.46 | dataw0lf | has anyone seen the Dojo fisheye demo? That thing rocks |
| 23:01.54 | mindjuju | yeah, love dojo |
| 23:02.02 | mindjuju | i'm using fisheye on an internal site |
| 23:02.11 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I will kill you if you get an Apple icon on your self |
| 23:02.14 | dataw0lf | QED |
| 23:02.25 | mindjuju | there are other tats there |
| 23:02.31 | dataw0lf | you should get the link tat |
| 23:03.19 | mindjuju | love this one |
| 23:03.20 | mindjuju | Aubrey, 20, Philadelphia |
| 23:03.20 | mindjuju | Computer Programmer |
| 23:03.27 | mindjuju | just past half way down |
| 23:04.02 | dataw0lf | I wan get #!/usr/bin/python on my wrist |
| 23:04.14 | dataw0lf | s/wan/wanna |
| 23:04.45 | dataw0lf | in bitstream vera sans mono |
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| 23:05.14 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v bradym] by ChanServ |
| 23:05.29 | mindjuju | bradym, welcome to the party |
| 23:05.49 | bradym | party you say? woohoo! :) |
| 23:12.28 | Utah_Dave | My coworker created a view in MySQL that is incredibly slow |
| 23:13.09 | Utah_Dave | the original table has data about work people have done |
| 23:13.44 | Utah_Dave | the view presents that data along with some extra columns with ratios and totals |
| 23:13.57 | Utah_Dave | A select can take 15 seconds. |
| 23:14.17 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: have you checked the slow query log? |
| 23:14.18 | Utah_Dave | I'm wondering if every time you do a select if it performs all those calculations for the entire table |
| 23:14.44 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: nope. Not familiar with that. Where do I find that log? |
| 23:14.54 | mgeary | well, you have to set it to be created |
| 23:14.56 | mgeary | sec |
| 23:15.24 | mgeary | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/slow-query-log.html |
| 23:15.31 | Utah_Dave | phpmyadmin says the log is off |
| 23:15.42 | mgeary | you'll need to change a my.cnf setting |
| 23:15.54 | mgeary | "The slow query log consists of all SQL statements that took more than long_query_time seconds to execute" |
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| 23:27.43 | mgeary | later folks |
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