| 00:00.12 | cole_joplin | I kinda want to call, since I'm searching now |
| 00:00.36 | mindjuju | dag, who was it? |
| 00:03.01 | mindjuju | heflo |
| 00:03.05 | mindjuju | oops, herlo |
| 00:03.08 | mindjuju | yo! |
| 00:03.14 | mindjuju | herlo |
| 00:03.46 | mindjuju | cole_joplin, herlo should know cause he's trying to use them as a sponsor, and wps should know cause they coordinated with him to come to the meet |
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| 00:10.05 | mindjuju | hey wps |
| 00:10.21 | mindjuju | do you happen to remember the name of the headhunters that came to the last meet, i mean the company they were from |
| 00:10.34 | mindjuju | cole_joplin is looking for the info |
| 00:17.42 | wps | holy cow, mindjuju |
| 00:17.42 | wps | I didn't realize that that kids track record was so bad |
| 00:17.42 | wps | I am glad you sent that email |
| 00:17.42 | wps | he needed to see that |
| 00:17.44 | wps | I hope that he can take that and make some adjustments in his life |
| 00:17.48 | cole_joplin | I was dying laughing |
| 00:17.57 | cole_joplin | had trouble finishing reading |
| 00:18.45 | wps | the company is allegisgroup.com |
| 00:18.51 | wps | the contact is Wendy |
| 00:19.03 | mindjuju | thx wps! |
| 00:19.07 | wps | Wendy Hugh |
| 00:19.08 | wps | whough@allegisgroup.com |
| 00:19.12 | wps | glad to help, mindjuju |
| 00:19.24 | wps | thanks for all you do as well |
| 00:19.36 | cole_joplin | awesome, thanks |
| 00:19.42 | mindjuju | no worries, glad to help |
| 00:19.45 | wps | I appreciate the work you do coordinating the geek lunches |
| 00:19.55 | wps | I hope I can make it some time |
| 00:20.15 | mindjuju | they are fun to do and fun to see everybody |
| 00:21.58 | mindjuju | As for trevyn, he sent me an email acknowledging and asking for help, so i'm taking a quick peek at the request to see what up |
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| 00:45.49 | Utah_Dave | later, everyone |
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| 01:15.54 | wps | mindjuju: he sent you an email asking for help? |
| 01:16.34 | wps | you're kidding |
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| 02:17.41 | wps | mindjuju: I'm surprised that you left out these two gems: |
| 02:17.43 | wps | http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu/2007-May/006908.html |
| 02:17.45 | wps | http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu/2007-April/006725.html |
| 02:20.30 | mindjuju | too funny |
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| 06:35.25 | herlo | cole_jopline: TekSystems |
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| 14:49.13 | timinator | morning |
| 14:52.46 | Utah_Dave | morning |
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| 15:19.43 | mgeary | morning folks |
| 15:20.35 | mgeary | hey, if a tinyint is a 1-byte integer, how come mysql reports it as "tinyint(3)" rather than "tinyint(1)" ? |
| 15:23.35 | orsonj | 1 byte = 0-254 |
| 15:23.37 | orsonj | 3 digits |
| 15:24.06 | orsonj | oops 255 or whatever it is |
| 15:24.39 | mgeary | hmm, but in the DB it isn't stored as "255" |
| 15:24.47 | mgeary | it'd be stored as FF, if anything |
| 15:25.09 | mgeary | well, more likely 11111111 |
| 15:25.33 | mgeary | 1 byte = 8 bits |
| 15:26.03 | orsonj | true, I think it has to do with being consistant with how it does strings. |
| 15:26.22 | mgeary | ah. might well do |
| 15:26.24 | orsonj | if you have a char(5) field you can store 5 characters |
| 15:26.41 | orsonj | if you have tinyint(3) you can store 3 characters (within limitations) |
| 15:27.16 | orsonj | but I think that's what they are trying to do. I haven't read that anywhere, it just seems to be a consistant pattern to me. |
| 15:27.56 | mgeary | just got this from #mysql: |
| 15:28.04 | mgeary | a number in parens for an int has nothing to do with size or storage. It refers to leading zero padding when you use zerofill. |
| 15:28.18 | mgeary | whee |
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| 15:30.16 | PoeticIntensity | 'mornin' guys... |
| 15:30.39 | PoeticIntensity | does anyone have any experience connecting PHP to Oracle here? |
| 15:32.37 | wps | I think someone in the group has |
| 15:32.41 | wps | you might try the mailing list |
| 15:32.44 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 15:33.06 | PoeticIntensity | how about configuring PHP with ODBC? |
| 15:34.08 | _psychic_ | anyone know a good library for opening up the guts of PDFs? |
| 15:34.42 | mgeary | _psychic_: what do you want to do? |
| 15:34.59 | _psychic_ | get images out of PDFs so I can play with them |
| 15:35.08 | _psychic_ | (and put them back) |
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| 15:38.40 | mgeary | can you be more specific? |
| 15:39.12 | mgeary | swap images? downsample them? run pixel operations on them...? |
| 15:39.20 | _psychic_ | yes |
| 15:39.42 | _psychic_ | pixel operations and possibly rotation |
| 15:39.49 | _psychic_ | but all the libs I find are PDF *creation* libraryes |
| 15:39.56 | _psychic_ | *ies |
| 15:41.01 | mgeary | exactly |
| 15:44.25 | mgeary | _psychic_: we should PM more about your application needs |
| 15:44.36 | _psychic_ | you have a solution? |
| 15:44.49 | mgeary | possibly |
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| 16:09.54 | mindjuju | sup all |
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| 16:12.11 | mindjuju | sup swb |
| 16:12.41 | swb | not much |
| 16:20.45 | orsonj | woof |
| 16:24.29 | mindjuju | hey, have ya'll checked out Trevyn's form demo? |
| 16:25.11 | mgeary | nope, is it worth checking? |
| 16:25.47 | mindjuju | Well, you don't get to see the admin side, but you do get to see the forms themselves |
| 16:25.47 | tierra | hmm... X-Cart revamped their website... http://www.x-cart.com/ |
| 16:26.16 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: yeah, I looked at it. It looks pretty interesting. |
| 16:26.47 | Utah_Dave | do you export the forms and stick them somewhere on your site? Or do you just link to that app? |
| 16:27.09 | mindjuju | link to the created form, ithink like survey monkey |
| 16:27.16 | mgeary | aah |
| 16:27.53 | mgeary | except in some very specific cases, i wouldn't store application-important information in external databases |
| 16:27.54 | mindjuju | I think he should soften the form look with dojo, but was going to see what wps and swb think about it |
| 16:28.14 | mgeary | but if all you're looking for is survey-esque data, that could be useful |
| 16:28.31 | mindjuju | i think they have plans to integrate a CRM |
| 16:28.37 | swb | mindjuju, what's the link again? |
| 16:28.42 | mindjuju | but you'd have to build the rest of the site around it |
| 16:29.01 | swb | tierra, x-cart.com looks nice |
| 16:29.05 | mindjuju | http://esourcehome.com/wiki/index.php?title=FormBuilder |
| 16:29.42 | tierra | swb: yeah, the new design is many times better than the old one |
| 16:30.09 | tierra | http://web.archive.org/web/20060517122810/http://www.x-cart.com/index.html <- the old design |
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| 16:46.34 | mgeary | sweeeet! |
| 16:46.50 | mgeary | hand me a piña colada |
| 16:46.58 | mgeary | virgin, of course |
| 16:47.11 | mindjuju | ... at the copa... copa cabana... the hottest spot north of havana... |
| 16:56.28 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:38.24 | Utah_Dave | ~seen beandog |
| 17:38.25 | jbot | beandog <n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 18h 1m 16s ago, saying: 'laters.'. |
| 17:38.30 | Utah_Dave | ~seen jbot |
| 17:38.31 | jbot | jbot is currently on #asterisk-doc (1m 15s) #ubuntu-utah (1m 15s) ##t42 (1m 15s) #how (1m 15s) #ol (1m 15s) #flyspray (1m 15s) #asterisk (1m 15s) #byumug (1m 15s) #va (1m 15s) #orkut (1m 15s) #nslu2-linux (1m 15s) ##ducleague (1m 15s) #storm (1m 15s) #uphpu (1m 15s) #aegis (1m 15s) #ipaq (1m 15s) ... |
| 17:39.21 | mgeary | do you ever feel like going to these other channels and whipping out a ~tunafart or such and watching people's reactions? I'm sure they have no idea what all we've taught jbot |
| 17:39.55 | tierra | ~tunafart |
| 17:40.19 | tierra | someone didn't like what you taught jbot |
| 17:40.45 | mgeary | ~nerdschool tierra |
| 17:40.45 | jbot | ACTION chains tierra to a molded-fiberglass all-in-one desk/chair, fills his backpack with sci-fi and fantasy novels, and plants him in Norm Bangerter's Elementary Physics class for re-indoctrination. |
| 17:41.00 | mgeary | ~stevejobsify tierra |
| 17:41.01 | jbot | ACTION drags tierra by the scruff of the neck and plants him in front row center of the Moscone Center at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address until tierras eyes glaze over and he calms down |
| 17:41.13 | mgeary | ~boggle tierra |
| 17:41.13 | jbot | ACTION stares in flabbergasted astonishment at tierra |
| 17:41.22 | mgeary | ~admire tierra |
| 17:41.23 | jbot | ACTION secretly and androgynously wishes it were just like tierra |
| 17:41.25 | mgeary | :) |
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| 17:55.14 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart tierra |
| 17:55.14 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to tierra, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 17:55.58 | tierra | ~tunafart UPHPU |
| 17:55.59 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to UPHPU, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
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| 18:04.06 | brasto | howdy y'all |
| 18:04.23 | Utah_Dave | ~love brasto |
| 18:04.24 | jbot | If you love brasto so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 18:05.21 | brasto | very good rebuttles to the said non-productive blabber yesterday wps and mindjuju |
| 18:05.40 | brasto | I especially enjoyed the horse' butt pic... |
| 18:06.43 | brasto | took me a bit to figure out what it was... thought it was the back of some dude's head with a shaved head and pony tail. I was partly right... it was the back of... something... |
| 18:06.55 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:07.32 | mindjuju | i'm just glad we got passed that point |
| 18:10.05 | orsonj | often it's better to just show someone how to behave than tell them. |
| 18:10.35 | orsonj | It reminds me of an article I read a couple months back on managing an open source project. |
| 18:11.06 | orsonj | I think it was an svn member |
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| 18:11.42 | brasto | lol, is that the jbot greeting when dw joins in? |
| 18:12.10 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: did you see that email wps sent yesterday to the list? |
| 18:12.29 | dataw0lf | which one? |
| 18:13.28 | Utah_Dave | something about you and someone's sister |
| 18:13.35 | dataw0lf | what the heck |
| 18:13.41 | dataw0lf | I plead the fifth |
| 18:13.47 | brasto | dataw0lf - you know... *the* email... |
| 18:13.48 | brasto | jk |
| 18:14.28 | Utah_Dave | Wade Preston Shearer<font size="3"> to UPHPUshow details Jun 13 (19 hours ago) > What type of pizza do you like?</font> |
| 18:14.28 | Utah_Dave | <font size="3">Meat lovers is my favorite but it gives me bad gas and puts me on the</font> |
| 18:14.28 | Utah_Dave | <font size="3">can for an entire day.</font> |
| 18:14.28 | Utah_Dave | <font size="3">> Want to play world of warcraft?</font> |
| 18:14.28 | Utah_Dave | <font size="3">No. I hate computer games.</font> |
| 18:14.30 | Utah_Dave | <font size="3">> Want to meet in a dungeon and talk about Java script libraries?</font> |
| 18:14.32 | Utah_Dave | <font size="3">No, but dataw0lf will meet your sister there if she's not doing</font> |
| 18:14.34 | Utah_Dave | <font size="3">anything tonight.</font> |
| 18:14.59 | wps | what's with all the HTML |
| 18:15.12 | wps | you can get kicked for flooding like that |
| 18:16.05 | Utah_Dave | <font size="3">sorry</font> |
| 18:16.24 | wps | :) |
| 18:17.03 | brasto | so, fungus, macnewbold, any more info on that presentation? I'm interested in seeing what you had to say about php and ErrorDocument. |
| 18:18.19 | brasto | and anyone have any ideas why enabling mod_rewrite breaks my Apache aliases? |
| 18:18.32 | brasto | does the fact that its a vhost matter? |
| 18:22.36 | wps | I loved dataw0lf's response about missing the annual reply-to thread |
| 18:23.00 | dataw0lf | \o\O/o/ |
| 18:25.55 | dataw0lf | wassup wassup |
| 18:26.01 | dataw0lf | chopped all my hair off |
| 18:26.04 | dataw0lf | :\ |
| 18:26.07 | beandog | buh |
| 18:26.24 | beandog | thats where youve been all this time? |
| 18:26.47 | mgeary | he did it one strand at a time |
| 18:27.07 | dataw0lf | with a butter knife |
| 18:28.54 | beandog | that's gotta hurt. |
| 18:29.06 | dataw0lf | just got back from Yosemite, summited half-dome |
| 18:29.37 | wps | awesome |
| 18:30.33 | dataw0lf | yea, it was fun |
| 18:30.51 | dataw0lf | quitting smoking helps a ton |
| 18:31.11 | wps | wow, congrats |
| 18:31.40 | dataw0lf | danke |
| 18:32.44 | timinator | ya, good job DW.... smoking's a tough one to kick |
| 18:34.16 | dataw0lf | dang this Trevyn guy isn't very happy with us :| |
| 18:34.21 | dataw0lf | thanks tim |
| 18:35.18 | timinator | Brasto: use pastebin, show us what you're doing |
| 18:35.20 | fungus | brasto: Just email Mac, I can't find the presentation anywhere |
| 18:36.05 | timinator | sorry |
| 18:36.56 | timinator | still, I use mod_rewrite w/ vhosts w/o any probs |
| 18:48.33 | brasto | timinator, you're referring to a different question than fungus was. |
| 18:49.05 | timinator | oh |
| 18:49.35 | bradym | brasto: make sure your apache aliases aren't conflicting with your drupal friendly urls or drupal set aliases... |
| 18:51.26 | brasto | for a limited time: |
| 18:51.28 | brasto | http://flfn.org/hta.txt |
| 18:53.45 | brasto | i don't see conflicts - no drupal aliases or urls set for /ControlPanel |
| 18:54.44 | bradym | hmm.. your htaccess looks fine to me |
| 18:54.57 | bradym | anything helpful in your apache error log? |
| 18:59.48 | beandog | ~flush PoeticIntensity |
| 18:59.48 | jbot | ACTION flushes PoeticIntensity like PoeticIntensity was yesterday's lunch |
| 19:00.48 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 19:00.55 | PoeticIntensity | hey dataw0lf! You're back! |
| 19:01.05 | beandog | ~dataw0lf |
| 19:01.05 | jbot | hmm... dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, or a guy who needs to control his temper, or needs to release his anger, or a flying ... |
| 19:01.27 | beandog | theres not enough cool cell phone games. |
| 19:01.34 | beandog | I demand more time-wasting entertainment! |
| 19:02.26 | timinator | nice |
| 19:03.37 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... they treat me nice here. |
| 19:04.02 | timinator | sounds like it |
| 19:04.12 | PoeticIntensity | lots of work, though. |
| 19:04.14 | PoeticIntensity | holy cow. |
| 19:05.06 | timinator | brasto chases tail... huh?!?! |
| 19:05.19 | timinator | :) |
| 19:05.25 | brasto | http://flfn.org does not generate any error_log entries |
| 19:05.58 | brasto | brastotack timinator |
| 19:06.03 | brasto | oops... |
| 19:06.16 | brasto | ~brastotack timinator |
| 19:06.17 | jbot | ACTION lectures timinator on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until timinator can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 19:06.17 | timinator | ~mock brasto |
| 19:06.17 | jbot | ACTION pulls brasto's pants down and shows the world brasto's pink spotted underwear |
| 19:06.24 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: thats good, slacker. |
| 19:06.34 | brasto | lol |
| 19:06.41 | timinator | LOL |
| 19:06.45 | beandog | hee hee |
| 19:06.46 | beandog | that's great. |
| 19:07.55 | PoeticIntensity | yo, beandog, how do I get a description of a use flag that's package-specific? |
| 19:08.07 | beandog | euse -i foo |
| 19:08.27 | PoeticIntensity | specifically, I'm looking for the difference between the oci8 and the oci8-instant-client flags. |
| 19:08.41 | PoeticIntensity | I'm thinking the problem we have is because we're using the wrong one. |
| 19:09.25 | PoeticIntensity | beandog dreads the thought of using anything unknown. |
| 19:09.26 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 19:10.06 | beandog | why cant we have GameCubes at work? life is so unfair. |
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| 19:10.25 | brast1 | ugh, i got disconnected and reconnected, and now I'm brast1... |
| 19:10.50 | brast1 | anyone know how I can log out brasto and log back in??? |
| 19:11.04 | beandog | /nickserv ghost brasto $password |
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| 19:13.11 | PoeticIntensity | anyone ever tried to sync a treo with Linux? |
| 19:13.30 | PoeticIntensity | treop, that is. |
| 19:13.36 | PoeticIntensity | 700p not that 700wx crap. ;-) |
| 19:13.48 | bradym | brast1: looking at your htaccess again, you need to set an exception so it doesn't pass /ControlPanel on to index.php |
| 19:14.35 | bradym | something like this should do it: RewriteCond $1 !^(index\.php|ControlPanel) |
| 19:16.34 | brast1 | bradym, is there a way to tell apache to not pass any alias to index.php? |
| 19:16.58 | brast1 | i don't have a large list of aliases, but if I did, it would be a big pain to add them all |
| 19:17.15 | bradym | not sure, seems like there would be.. never tried though |
| 19:18.37 | brast1 | thankyou beandog... reconnecting now... |
| 19:18.45 | brast1 | and thank you bradym |
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| 19:35.21 | mindjuju | ~wake everybody |
| 19:35.22 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everybody and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 19:36.18 | mindjuju | hey, I was talking to a friend of mine who wants to know the pros and cons of hosting your dns at the registrar |
| 19:36.37 | mindjuju | as a company, we buy and host ours at network solutions (yes, i know expensive, etc etc) |
| 19:37.34 | mindjuju | when i need to add a subdomain, i just go to network solutions thorugh it in, takes like 4 hours since they host their own dns servers, and then everybody can hit the subdomain |
| 19:37.42 | mindjuju | is there a disadvantage i'm not seeing |
| 19:38.30 | mindjuju | ~bonk fungus |
| 19:38.30 | jbot | ACTION bonks fungus over the head |
| 19:39.42 | fungus | The disadvantages are 4 hour lag time |
| 19:39.57 | fungus | single provider (stop paying your bill... no dns for you). |
| 19:40.22 | fungus | inflexibility with more advanced options. |
| 19:41.00 | mindjuju | yeah, but that isn't small provider |
| 19:41.10 | mindjuju | network solution |
| 19:41.26 | fungus | right, that's why i didn't say single network (point of failure) |
| 19:42.10 | fungus | Hosting your own allows you to place dns servers in several locations (providers) |
| 19:42.12 | mindjuju | so, by hosting at network solutions, i don't get all the advantages that i would by having it at say uu.net |
| 19:42.53 | fungus | I personally use some free services to host my DNS. |
| 19:43.17 | fungus | I use two different free services, one is a slave and copies the other. |
| 19:43.49 | fungus | You could do something similar with two not so free services. |
| 19:44.00 | fungus | or use your own servers if you feel like it. |
| 19:45.05 | fungus | It all comes down to the risk you are willing to incur. |
| 19:45.16 | mindjuju | yeah, was just thinking that |
| 19:45.27 | mindjuju | we've never had a prob by storing it at network solutions |
| 19:45.27 | fungus | If you don't mind having all your DNS eggs in netsol, don't worry. |
| 19:45.39 | fungus | Just don't stop paying them. :) |
| 19:45.46 | mindjuju | yeah, true that |
| 19:46.11 | fungus | For the ultra paranoid have slaves of your zones at several locations and providers. |
| 19:46.14 | mindjuju | i just like the idea of me being able to affect my dns record, without having to use BIND |
| 19:46.46 | fungus | I didn't mention any benefits of having a hosted DNS solution... there are many. |
| 19:47.04 | fungus | Here is my DNS server list. |
| 19:47.11 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.11 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.11 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.11 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.11 | fungus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:47.29 | fungus | I control and run the master myself, and the others are just free slaves. |
| 19:47.39 | mindjuju | i should do that |
| 19:47.56 | mindjuju | the other day network solutions dns server where ddos and i lost a domain as a result |
| 19:48.30 | fungus | I don't think you have to host your own master, as long as netsol allows transfers of your domains. |
| 19:48.42 | fungus | slave transfers that is |
| 19:50.27 | tierra | hehe, at least one of the X-Cart devs thinks "authentication" is spelled "authentification" |
| 19:50.43 | fungus | lol. I am going to call it that now. |
| 19:51.12 | fungus | I gotta get me authtificated. |
| 19:53.11 | Utah_Dave | <font size="3">~authentificate fungus</font> |
| 19:53.43 | mindjuju | that reminds me of the new word - strategery |
| 19:55.33 | orsonj | ~authentificate fungus |
| 19:57.47 | orsonj | how do you get jbot to authentificate($1) {echo /me authentificates $1 using a foolproof strategery;} |
| 19:59.44 | fungus | jbot, authentificate is <action> verify $1 using a foolproof strategery |
| 19:59.45 | jbot | fungus: okay |
| 20:00.20 | orsonj | ~authentificate fungus |
| 20:28.27 | mgeary | heh |
| 20:28.40 | mgeary | that's like people who say, "object orientated" |
| 20:29.47 | mgeary | hrm. well, it looks like the Oxford Dictionary actually doesn't mind "orientated" |
| 20:29.54 | mgeary | i think it sounds goofy though |
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| 21:04.31 | timinator | okay, I've got a question. |
| 21:04.39 | timinator | it's remotely PHP related |
| 21:04.59 | mgeary | get outta here |
| 21:05.04 | timinator | only because I'm thinking of making my PHP websites compatible w/ smartphones |
| 21:05.06 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:05.09 | timinator | so |
| 21:05.25 | timinator | Blackberry vs. Treo vs. iPhone |
| 21:05.31 | timinator | what are everyone's thoughts |
| 21:05.37 | jsmith | timinator: Don't forget the S60 phones... |
| 21:05.52 | timinator | S60... haven't heard of them |
| 21:06.13 | timinator | I'm used to the $60 Motorolas |
| 21:06.15 | mgeary | i don't trust myself with small, breakable gadgets as expensive as smartphones |
| 21:06.59 | timinator | gotcha |
| 21:07.07 | timinator | any other thoughts? |
| 21:07.14 | mgeary | so i can offer no insights on those phones |
| 21:07.18 | mgeary | :/ |
| 21:07.33 | timinator | no biggie |
| 21:07.55 | timinator | anyone have one ....or developed for one? |
| 21:09.52 | thebigdog | ~ping wps |
| 21:09.53 | jbot | pong wps |
| 21:24.03 | timinator | jsmith: do you use a S60? |
| 21:24.17 | jsmith | timinator: Yeah |
| 21:24.31 | jsmith | timinator: The Nokia E series and N series :-) |
| 21:24.37 | timinator | ah |
| 21:24.59 | timinator | have you developed for them? do they show websites appropriately? |
| 21:33.02 | timinator | http://www.s60.com/business/productinfo/builtinapplications/webrowser |
| 21:33.46 | timinator | so, my guess is that it handles HTML, but I should avoid JS |
| 21:34.03 | timinator | probably go back to tables too |
| 21:34.05 | timinator | no CSS |
| 21:34.10 | timinator | eh? |
| 21:35.09 | timinator | jsmith: do you know the screen resolution? |
| 21:35.21 | jsmith | timinator: Depends on the phone |
| 21:35.34 | timinator | oh, of course |
| 21:35.41 | timinator | what's yours? |
| 21:36.01 | jsmith | timinator: Mine is 352x416 |
| 21:36.16 | timinator | wxh? |
| 21:36.23 | jsmith | timinator: It's a very high-resolution screen, considering the size |
| 21:36.33 | timinator | that's a good thing |
| 21:37.56 | jsmith | For a candy-bar sized phone, it's a wonderful resolution :-) |
| 21:38.46 | PoeticIntensity | I just got a Treo 700p from the company I work for. |
| 21:38.54 | PoeticIntensity | like... yesterday. |
| 21:39.06 | PoeticIntensity | no idea what developing for them might look like... :-? |
| 21:39.42 | timinator | if you do anything for it, let me know what you learn.... |
| 21:39.53 | timinator | I may be buying one, but supporting my sites on all types |
| 21:39.59 | timinator | :/ |
| 21:42.03 | jsmith | timinator: I do lots of things on my phone, including VoIP |
| 21:42.12 | timinator | nice |
| 21:42.16 | mgeary | i do one thing on my phone |
| 21:42.19 | timinator | check this out: http://blog.fupps.com/2007/05/03/mobile-web-server-apache-on-a-s60-phone-nokia-n70/ |
| 21:42.33 | timinator | run Apache on your cell |
| 21:42.35 | timinator | !!!!!1 |
| 21:43.21 | jsmith | Yeah, I've got Python and Apache on my phone |
| 21:43.35 | timinator | COOL |
| 21:43.46 | timinator | that's freakin' awesome |
| 21:44.37 | timinator | I wonder if timinator.com is taken |
| 21:45.05 | jsmith | Go buy yourself a Nokia E61i :-) |
| 21:45.22 | jsmith | Just don't get an E62, as it's been neutered |
| 21:45.41 | jsmith | Or, if you want a 5 mp camera with TV-out, get the N95 |
| 21:47.13 | timinator | nice |
| 21:47.53 | timinator | and this'll be better than a blackberry, Treo and even the much anticipated iPhone? |
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| 21:48.51 | jsmith | Well, if you like flexibility, the ability to load custom apps, and stuff like that, then yes :-) |
| 21:48.55 | jsmith | It doesn't have a touchscreen. |
| 21:49.03 | jsmith | But it does everything I want a phone to do, and more |
| 21:49.12 | timinator | nod |
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| 22:20.13 | timinator | I'm out guys.... later |
| 22:20.59 | thebigdog | wow timinator loves working half days |
| 22:21.16 | mgeary | well who wouldn't? |
| 22:21.33 | thebigdog | true...but he still has a job which amazes me |
| 22:21.43 | thebigdog | ~congrats wps |
| 22:22.33 | mgeary | why congrats for wps? |
| 22:22.52 | wps | why not? |
| 22:23.21 | thebigdog | cause he works hard...and is going to make $$$ like jsmith does |
| 22:26.58 | thebigdog | lol |
| 22:27.04 | thebigdog | :) |
| 22:27.18 | thebigdog | if i had the $$$ wps would be working with me |
| 22:31.05 | mgeary | well, if i had the $$$ thebigdog would be working with me :) |
| 22:31.19 | thebigdog | lol...ty |
| 22:31.23 | mgeary | we should all unite. the kings of PHP. get a corner on the Utah market |
| 22:31.35 | mgeary | that wouldn't be a huge mess or anything |
| 22:32.30 | thebigdog | no...and compete with macnewbold and his crew |
| 22:33.46 | thebigdog | s/no/yes |
| 22:40.24 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you around? |
| 22:40.32 | thebigdog | wps you around? |
| 22:40.55 | wps | yes |
| 22:41.25 | thebigdog | i'm wondering if we need to give some more peps voice? |
| 22:41.30 | thebigdog | what you think? |
| 22:41.42 | thebigdog | like Ritter orsonj and perhaps unum and bradym? |
| 22:42.35 | wps | fine with me |
| 22:43.30 | thebigdog | mindjuju, make it so! |
| 22:43.32 | thebigdog | :) |
| 23:00.37 | Utah_Dave | <font size="3">bradym: I noticed you're also in #codeigniter, too</font> |
| 23:00.55 | bradym | yep |
| 23:01.06 | bradym | btw, Utah_Dave, your client is doing the html thing in here again |
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| 23:02.47 | Utah_Dave | how's it now? Still outputting html? |
| 23:02.54 | Utah_Dave | It's weird because I never see it |
| 23:02.55 | mgeary | better |
| 23:03.13 | bradym | strange |
| 23:03.35 | bradym | but yeah, i'm playing around with CI for some personal projects.. and we're starting a big project at work with it |
| 23:03.47 | bradym | gonna use it to build a platform for launching new sites |
| 23:04.25 | Utah_Dave | cool |
| 23:04.33 | Utah_Dave | I just finished a big rewrite using CI |
| 23:05.05 | Utah_Dave | We're in beta with several of our users, and it's been so easy to make updates and changes |
| 23:05.12 | bradym | nice |
| 23:06.36 | bradym | we plan on using it for something like 400 sites once it's done.. will make updating standard data used on all sites much quicker |
| 23:07.11 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, I bet. |
| 23:07.22 | Utah_Dave | have you looked at kohona? |
| 23:07.33 | Utah_Dave | s/kohona/kohana |
| 23:07.56 | bradym | i've been following it in the forums and i hang out in #kohana, but i haven't had a chance to download it yet |
| 23:08.34 | mgeary | what's it do, in 10 words or less? |
| 23:08.55 | bradym | it's a php framework, much leaner than most |
| 23:08.58 | Utah_Dave | I like the fact that they've made so many bug fixes. But I'm still waiting to see how the whole situation pans out |
| 23:09.17 | bradym | yeah, i'll play with it for personal stuff, but for work we're sticking with CI for now |
| 23:09.22 | Utah_Dave | same |
| 23:10.28 | mgeary | i'm off. later, folks |
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| 23:12.06 | bradym | i definitely agree with having more community input to the dev process, but at the same time, it makes me worry that it could become more bloated |
| 23:12.49 | Utah_Dave | I recently ran into a bug in the Active Record class, having to do with not using addslashes() |
| 23:13.17 | Utah_Dave | They haven't fixed it in CI and the Kohana guys were pretty smug in #codeigniter that they had fixed it already |
| 23:14.05 | thebigdog | tierra, if you have time do you mind writing up a small review for the site? |
| 23:14.09 | bradym | yeah.. i've noticed that kind of thing |
| 23:14.16 | thebigdog | i wish more of our users would do that |
| 23:14.40 | tierra | I'll think about it :) |
| 23:14.45 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave and bradym i would love to read more on CI on the website too |
| 23:14.55 | thebigdog | im sure a lot of our users not on irc would |
| 23:15.30 | bradym | huh.. i hadn't thought of doing software reviews on the site.. i always thought of them as book reviews... and i don't read many books :) |
| 23:15.59 | thebigdog | i dont think so much of reviews...but user experience |
| 23:16.09 | thebigdog | kinda like hey check this out stuff |
| 23:16.16 | thebigdog | then others can comment on it too |
| 23:16.20 | Utah_Dave | I've been thinking of doing a presentation on it at one of the meetings |
| 23:16.30 | bradym | ahh.. ok |
| 23:16.31 | thebigdog | that would be cool |
| 23:16.59 | thebigdog | i think we have so much on irc that never makes it too everyone else |
| 23:17.17 | bradym | we need to get a sponsor to record and host all of these presentations so i can watch them since i'm not in UT anymore :) |
| 23:17.28 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 23:17.43 | Utah_Dave | wps was recording them |
| 23:18.01 | Utah_Dave | We could probably upload them to YouTube or Google Video or something |
| 23:18.27 | bradym | that'd work |
| 23:18.41 | thebigdog | we could |
| 23:18.59 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave make it so :) |
| 23:19.37 | Utah_Dave | does wps still record them? I wouldn't mind converting them and uploading them |
| 23:19.55 | thebigdog | not sure, mindjuju might know more about it |
| 23:20.42 | Utah_Dave | ~wake mindjuju |
| 23:20.43 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 23:21.14 | thebigdog | he is a slacker today |
| 23:21.21 | thebigdog | working to hard on webservices |
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