IRC log for #uphpu on 20070612

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00:38.13mindjuj1wow, where did everybody go?
00:50.44jsmithTo Seattle
00:52.12bradymi wanna go to seattle :)
00:52.25jsmithI'm here, hanging out
00:52.29jsmithGetting hungry
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03:40.23bradymanyone around?
03:42.40mindjujui am
03:43.22bradymever used php to fill in a pdf fillable form?
03:43.39mindjujuhmm... sounds cool, but no
03:44.04bradymhmm.. i've got it mostly working, but it's filling in some fields twice for some reason
03:58.25bradymmindjuju, if you have a minute would you mind taking a look at my code to see if anything wierd jumps out at you?
03:59.23mindjujufo sho, bro
03:59.28mindjujudo you have it in a pastebin somewhere?
03:59.31bradymthanks :) http://sand.utah4h.org/~bradym/get_data.phps
04:03.59mindjujuso just to make sure i'm understanding, it say the first name field, it's typing Fred twice or some other first name, right?
04:04.56bradymit's putting the same name twice, feel free to take a look at the output of http://sand.utah4h.org/~bradym/get_data.php -- it's all fake data so no privacy worries
04:05.08bradymand it's only on some of the labels
04:10.53mindjujucurioussly, i don't appear to be getting duplication in any of the fields, though i do have several iterations of cards (or badges), but they appear to be different -- am i looking at this wrong?
04:11.31bradymhuh.. what pdf viewer are you using?
04:11.50mindjujuadobe acrobat 7
04:12.03mindjujuwas jus tthinking that, i'm sending you a screen shot here in a moment
04:12.11bradymk - maybe it's something wierd about foxit reader
04:13.29bradymthere should be two labels for each entry, as those are the entries that have two items - that's what the number in the lower right hand corner are for
04:14.03bradymthis is for an online county fair entry system.. so if the item has more than one item (set of bowls, sewn outfit, etc) each item gets a label
04:15.26mindjujuhttp://www.billgood.com/vvilla/whatisee.png
04:15.29mindjujusorry for delay
04:17.46mindjujuis that not what you're seeing?
04:19.34bradymahh.. it is doing the same thing..
04:20.01mindjujureally, which field?
04:20.07bradymthe first label has the first & last names twice..
04:20.21bradymthen the grade, yrs in project, class and lot on the one below it
04:20.30bradymbut then on some labels, they look fine
04:21.23mindjujuis that why it looks kind of bolded?
04:21.37bradymyeah
04:22.53mindjujuexcept that
04:23.05mindjujuwhen I go into acrobat, delete the names and type them back in, they rebold
04:23.13mindjujuand the ones not bolded, don't bold
04:23.53bradymwierd..
04:24.00mindjujui wonder if it is the form
04:24.07mindjujui didn't see anything wierd in your code, by the way
04:24.48bradymwell that's a step in the right direction at least
04:25.02bradym:)
04:25.12bradymthe blank form is http://sand.utah4h.org/~bradym/labels.pdf
04:26.14mindjujuyup, bolded in some, not in others
04:26.34mindjujuwant to see a screenshot of it
04:26.37bradymyeah, just noticing the same thing
04:27.19mindjujunothing like a faulty form
04:27.31bradymno kidding
04:27.38bradymthis thing has been driving me nuts...
04:27.44bradymdidn't think to check the form
04:29.02bradymthanks for your help :)
04:29.29mindjujuyup!
04:44.28mindjujuyou around still bradym ?
04:44.36bradymyeah
04:44.58mindjujui'm looking for a web cam and software that will allow me to connect to a server and have a web page people can hear me talk through
04:45.15mindjujuwhat should I look for, it seems at most, everybody want to do client
04:45.23mindjujulike Yahoo or MSN
04:46.07mindjujucourse if the other guys don't have a camera to stream through, it could be a nightmare
04:46.17bradymwell.. the big one is macromedia breeze.. but i haven't done this kind of thing myself
04:46.25mindjujui'll have to look at that
04:46.56bradymthey use it at USU for all kinds of stuff
04:47.17mindjujui'll have to check out the price on it
04:47.35bradymi'm sure it's pricey
04:49.22bradymi came across this the other day, might be worth looking at
04:49.23bradymhttp://vyew.com/content/
04:50.01mindjujucurious
04:56.19bradymhmm.. oprera really doesn't like their ssl certificates
04:56.49mindjujureally?
04:58.51bradymsaid something about using a shorter key than is considered secure.. then says that the registration page is going to be submitted to a non secure url
04:59.10mindjujuwierd
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15:41.08PoeticIntensityhello, all.
15:41.19PoeticIntensityWelcome to a beautiful Tuesday morning.
15:41.29PoeticIntensity'n' stuff.
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15:52.44PoeticIntensity~welcome beandog
15:52.46jbotWelcome to the party, beandog!
15:53.41beandogholar.
15:53.48PoeticIntensityque tal-ar?
15:54.03PoeticIntensityI'm in the liveCD now... :)
15:54.19PoeticIntensityI tried the whole GTK gentoo installer...
15:54.21PoeticIntensityit failed miserably.
15:54.32PoeticIntensityso..... doing it again by hand.
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15:55.07beandogYah
15:55.13beandogDont use the GUI installer.
15:55.15PoeticIntensity:-T
15:55.17beandogUnless you want poop warts.
15:55.25PoeticIntensityLOL
15:55.31PoeticIntensity"Unless you want to poop warts."
15:55.40PoeticIntensityLOL
15:56.03beandog:)
15:56.06PoeticIntensity~lart beandog
15:56.06jbotwhacks beandog upside the head
15:56.11PoeticIntensitybuh.
15:56.13PoeticIntensitybah.
15:56.14PoeticIntensityboh
15:56.16PoeticIntensitybih
15:56.19PoeticIntensitybeh
15:56.28beandogsomeone's been hitting the juice a little early to-day
15:57.19PoeticIntensityno juice today so far....
15:57.30PoeticIntensity~juice PoeticIntensity
15:57.47PoeticIntensitywanna come to a LAN party this weekend?
15:57.52PoeticIntensityit's gonna be in Ogden.
15:58.03PoeticIntensityfor a b-day party for Shane...
15:58.09PoeticIntensityhe doesn't know we're comin'.... :)
15:58.12PoeticIntensityshould be a blast.
15:59.33thebigdogi want to be a director
15:59.49PoeticIntensityshould have applied to be part of "The Lot".
15:59.50PoeticIntensity:)
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16:00.13thebigdogsorry...software dev director...that is glorified position title
16:00.24PoeticIntensityheh....
16:02.28beandogShane?
16:02.37beandogThe Lot?
16:02.38beandogwhot?
16:02.46beandog~lost beandog
16:06.04PoeticIntensitybeandog, the question is simple.
16:06.18PoeticIntensityWould you be interested in joining a bunch of friends at Shane's house for a LAN party this weekend?
16:06.29PoeticIntensityhe doesn't know we're coming.
16:06.43PoeticIntensitywe're doing this as sort of a "surprise birthday party" thing.
16:08.29beandogOh
16:08.34PoeticIntensity~apologize PoeticIntensity
16:08.40beandogas in *surprise, were going to be playing video games at your house for 12 hours!*
16:08.40beandog:D
16:08.47PoeticIntensityprecisely.
16:08.50PoeticIntensityhis wife is in on it.
16:09.06beandogWhat games you gonna play
16:09.24PoeticIntensitysame stuff as always.
16:09.27PoeticIntensityUT2004 and ET
16:09.31PoeticIntensitymaybe some BZFlag
16:09.37PoeticIntensityScott and Brett are coming.
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16:11.23beandogis your mom coming?
16:18.50jsmithNope, my mom's not coming.
16:24.43beandogis there a gaim / pidgin like app for OS X
16:24.46beandogmy sister is asking
16:24.53beandogthat lets you sign into two AIM accounts at once
16:24.56jsmithbeandog: Adium
16:25.13jsmithbeandog: Actually, I think it's called Adium X
16:25.15beandoghokay thanks
16:28.40mgearyAdium++
16:28.44mgearywww.adiumx.com
16:42.42Utah_DaveI have a linux server on an internal secure network. For security reasons I'm not allowed to touch the dns, so I can't set up any domain names
16:43.14Utah_DaveIs it possible to still set up an email server so I can have an email, like   dave@192.168.1.1   ?
16:43.30mgearynot really
16:43.41mgearydepends on some dns issues, but not really
16:44.11mgearywho would you want to email you on such an address? Anyone on the internet, or just people in your subnet?
16:44.58Utah_Daveno, we don't even touch the internet.
16:45.14Utah_Davebasically, I want to be able to send notification emails between a couple linux servers
16:45.38Utah_DaveI'd set up some domain names, but I can't touch the dns
16:46.06mgearybut the linux servers are already running smtp and imap services?
16:46.15beandogjust run your own dhcp server and battle it out for authoritativeness ;)
16:46.29mgearywhat MTA would you use? Postfix? Sendmail...?
16:46.46Utah_DaveI haven't set up an MTA yet.
16:47.21Utah_DaveI can use whatever, I'm just trying figure out if I can set up email just using ip addresses
16:49.38mgearyhrm. not sure. you may be able to with the right MTA config, but i know that MX records are always supposed to point to a *domain*, not an IP, so i'm not sure how the whole dns resolution would actually go down
16:50.00Utah_DaveI don't have any experience setting up email.
16:50.25Utah_DaveI know, but I was wondering if it could be done without dns resolution
16:50.28mgearyit can be surprisingly complex, in my experience, and that's using an "easy" solution, like Postfix...
16:50.56Utah_DaveI mean, we only have the whole dns system so we can use human-friendly names
16:51.18mgearywell, sort of
16:51.26mgearyit also allows us to host multiple domains on one ip
17:07.25RitterMX can point to an IP, in fact without an MX, mail is routed to the IP that resolves from the A record for domain.com
17:07.49mgearycan, but isn't supposed to
17:08.46Rittermgeary: I dont think there is any rfc that suggests that, its just common practice
17:10.00Ritterbecause whatever the MX translates to ends up at an IP anyway .. its just "tidy" for human readability
17:10.01mgearywell, i know that dnsreport flags you on it
17:10.15mgearybut i can't point to chapter and verse on an rfc, that's true :)
17:11.00Ritterits "better", I can admit that  :)
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17:31.14mgearyyou know, speaking of email, i'd love it if i could figure out how to set up disposable postfix email addresses in mysql. anyone ever done anything like this?
17:31.49beandogitd probably be easier with aliases
17:31.53beandogwell, maybe not.
17:32.04beandogIm sure it wouldnt be hard though.
17:32.10thebigdogmgeary, i have
17:32.20mgearythebigdog: with postfix?
17:32.36thebigdogyes i have done postfix + pgsql and mysql
17:33.23mgearyi'd love to pick your brain on that at some point
17:33.24thebigdogsure anytime
17:33.24thebigdoggentoo has a good how to on it
17:33.24mgearygot a link?
17:33.24thebigdogi set it up with timinator too
17:33.36timinatorI love my setup
17:33.43timinator~hail thebigdog
17:33.50jbotACTION bows down to thebigdog and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
17:33.50thebigdoghttp://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/virt-mail-howto.xml
17:33.53mgearydoes it allow for auto-expiring emails as well? Where an addy simply dies after x-days?
17:34.04thebigdogmgeary i use the following dovecot + postfix + pgsql
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17:34.26thebigdogmgeary, that would be easy too add
17:34.32PoeticIntensity~welcome swb
17:34.34jbotHowdy, swb!
17:34.34swbdo textarea fields have a maximum size?
17:34.40swbhi
17:34.43thebigdogyou could set it up in various ways
17:34.50PoeticIntensitycols and rows
17:34.56PoeticIntensityI don't think they have a max.
17:35.08PoeticIntensitythey'll introduce scrollbars, though.
17:35.19orsonjas long as you don't use GET, I don't know of any
17:35.23timinatoryou can force a max size
17:35.30timinatormax="25"
17:36.15timinatoroh, that's not right.... that's <input type="text">
17:40.29wpsI've never understood why they who come up with this in the first place created a max size for input and not textarea
17:40.32wpsboggles the mind
17:41.16mgeary~boggle wps
17:41.20jbotACTION stares in flabbergasted astonishment at wps
17:41.37Utah_Dave~wpsattack mgeary
17:41.39jbotACTION grabs mgeary's global.css and starts to go postal on mgeary!
17:41.55Utah_Davehe he, it's been a while since I've used that one
17:41.55mgeary~herloattack Utah_Dave
17:42.09mgearydang. what was that herlo one...?
17:42.16Utah_Dave~herlo mgeary
17:42.18jbotACTION pokes mgeary in the eye with a sharp needle
17:42.28mgearydoh
17:42.43mgeary~frenchtaunt Utah_Dave
17:42.45jbotACTION summons the french taunter!   You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms!
18:12.25unumphpldap seems to have a problem with # in passwords
18:12.28unumor is that just me
18:17.24thebigdogjust you
18:17.31thebigdogthat might be an ldap issue
18:17.53unumphpldapadmin doesn't like it and neither does my program
18:17.56thebigdogi cant remember if i ever had issues with passwords in emails
18:18.14thebigdogcan you set it manually in ldap?
18:18.19unumya
18:18.27unumbut phpldapadmin won't let me login
18:18.35unumand neither will a program I wrote
18:21.54thebigdoglol
18:22.03thebigdogcan you login via commandline
18:22.26thebigdogthere are some gui ldap tools too
18:22.32thebigdogyou on linux?
18:25.26unumya
18:25.36unumit's just one of my users
18:25.45unumI have administrative access
18:26.01unumI was just wondering if I was going to have to make him change his password
18:26.09unumor if the problem was something else
18:34.35unumthe problem is something else
18:35.13unummy ou was wrong
18:38.33thebigdoglol
19:00.04unumso how do I set php to do a subsearch when I'm binding
19:00.09unumso I don't have to set the ou
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20:09.12Ritterthat is so up my alley
20:09.29Ritter55k-60k/yr + bonus would be nice too
20:15.24mgeary55k seems rather low for a Director level position
20:15.32thebigdoghell ya
20:16.42jsmithUh, yeah...
20:16.58jsmithIs that in British Pounds?
20:40.51herlohttp://beta.zooomr.com/photos/herlo/
20:44.16mgearylooks like great weather
20:45.04herlomgeary: it was beautiful in ireland and at the Space shuttle launch
20:45.16mgearyyou're already back. wow
20:45.19mgearythat went fast
20:45.36swbnice pics!
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20:46.03herloswb: tx
20:46.28herloswb: I'm going to be spending a weekend here taking more organized pictures...
20:48.14swbmore organized?
20:50.28herloswb: planned
20:50.34herloswb: professional?
20:50.54herloswb: I don't know how to explain it, but I am essentially taking this weekend as a photography weekend
20:51.01swbcool!
20:51.06bradymmindjuju: just saw something in the sourceforge newsletter that might interest you:  http://www.vmukti.com/
20:53.30swbherlo: sometimes SLC Photo does photo events: http://slcphoto.com/
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20:53.41swbtheir next meeting is 6/23
20:53.49herloswb: I'll be camping
20:53.54herlobut I'd love to come soon
20:54.22swblet me know if you decide to go, I don't go to all of them
20:54.33herloswb: not this one
20:54.42herlobut let me know when the next ones are and I'll be there...
20:54.49herloif I can
20:56.49mindjujuthat looks pretty cool bradym
20:57.56mindjujuwho here has web service experience?
20:59.43wpsI worked for a company once that offered a web service
20:59.57herlomindjuju: web service?  Like corba?
21:00.03mindjujubummer
21:00.05wpsSOAP
21:00.09wpsjbot, do the soapy dance
21:00.11jbotACTION does the soapy dance.
21:00.12herlomindjuju: web service? like xmlrpc
21:00.28mindjujuweb service like WSDL
21:02.32thebigdogmindjuju, i have done wsdl
21:02.36thebigdogand web services
21:37.11mindjujuk, so if i have several domains with their own IPs and I want an SSL for some of the domains, do i need an individual ssl cert for each of the domains?
21:37.26mgearysadly, yes
21:37.33mgearythough there's talk of some way you can get around that
21:37.46mindjujubummer, was thinking the guy at securetrust was looking for a litlte pocket money
21:37.55mgearybut that would still require that they share an IP at the very least
21:38.10mgearycomodo has cheap certs
21:38.23mindjujucomodo?  i'll have to look at them
21:38.24herlomgeary: its called TLS
21:38.36herlomindjuju: you have a choice to make actually
21:38.45herlobut I am guessing you'll still go with comodo
21:38.52herlothe choice is to sign your own
21:38.57mgearytrue
21:38.59herloor go with a third party
21:39.14mindjujuherlo, i've heard of sign your own, but never looked into it
21:39.21mindjujucan you tell me where i'd find out more?
21:39.52mgearymindjuju: do you need to convince strangers that your site is secure? 'cause a self-signed cert won't do that
21:39.56herlomindjuju: I'd also suggest that signing your own may be viewd as bad by some users, though its as safe as 3rd parties.  What it comes down to is perception
21:40.05mgearyyep
21:40.10mgearyexact same technology
21:40.22mindjujuwell, one of the certs will be used for a web service
21:40.29herlomy opinion is that if the poeple know the company, a self-signed cert is better for you befcause you don't have to pay for it
21:40.33mgearyall you're really doing is getting a 3rd party to vouch for you, and provide some liability insurance
21:40.36herlomindjuju: that doesn't matter
21:40.59herlomgeary: and the 3rd party may or may not guarantee anything
21:41.20mgearydepending on which cert you buy, right
21:41.22herlomindjuju: because the cert will be downloaded and have to be accepted either way
21:41.26mindjujui meant by the web service info, that nobody would be around to get the error, right?
21:41.29mindjujujust the app interface?
21:41.35herlomgeary: no, it isn't a depending
21:41.51herlomindjuju: not necessarily, I don't know enough about wsdl to say
21:41.53mindjujucause doesn't it send an error, that it is a self cert
21:42.37herlomgeary: the cert you buy (any) are as good as your reputation.  Insurance is useless IMO because what are they really protecting you from?  yourself?
21:43.26herlobecause transmitting data over ssl is no more or less secure when you do it or they do it and having them insure the transactions that are already as secure as they can be is only going to give a business person peace of mind
21:43.54herlobecause they're never gonna pay because they'll say that ssl is just as secure as if you do it and you must have misconfigured..
21:44.11mindjujuso how do i self cert?
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21:51.59mindjujuman, i think this self SSL might be the ticket for right now and apparently in IIS 6, it's a snap
21:52.23mindjujuit's not for transactions so the clients don't need warm fuzzies, just for security
21:53.48herlomindjuju: right
21:53.56herlomindjuju: sorry, got busy
21:54.08mindjujuno worries, thx for the idea
21:54.29herlomindjuju: plus I don't know how to do it in winders
21:54.53herlounless you use apache
21:55.44mindjujuk, i'm going to order some General Tso's chicken from somewhere cause i'm starved
21:55.52herlomindjuju: which is a problem in an of itself, but i digress
21:56.05mindjujuthe do - si - do or the chicken?
21:56.37herlothe do - si - do
21:57.12wpswhat's going on in here?
21:57.24wpswe going to have a barn raising at the next meeting?
21:57.29wpsjbot, raise a barn
21:57.33herlowps: maybe
21:57.44herlowps: find us a barn to raise (hehe)
21:57.57wpsjbot, do a barn raising
21:57.59jbotACTION does a barn raising.
21:58.03wpsgood bot
21:58.26_psychic_jbot, do not like barn raisings.
21:58.27jbotACTION does not like barn raisings..
21:58.40wpsnice
22:50.48timinatorI'm outie... later guys
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23:48.53mgearyhi
23:49.04mgearydang
23:56.50mindjuju~seen dataw0lf
23:56.55jbotdataw0lf <n=stderr@stderr.ws> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 9d 6h 36m 39s ago, saying: 'use Django'.
23:59.49mgearywell, he's obviously not trying very hard

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