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| 12:21.45 | timinator | yawn |
| 12:21.50 | timinator | good morning guys |
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| 16:09.10 | thebigdog | morning all |
| 16:10.01 | mgeary | heya |
| 16:29.56 | mindjuj1 | sup |
| 16:30.33 | wps | good response, mindjuj1 |
| 16:30.37 | wps | (to Webot's email) |
| 16:31.57 | mindjuj1 | yeah, makes me mad to see people getting taken advantage of |
| 16:32.19 | mindjuj1 | gives web devs a bad name |
| 16:32.26 | wps | yup |
| 16:32.39 | wps | their "web guy" sucks |
| 16:32.46 | wps | I haven't seen any of his code, but I'll say it |
| 16:32.47 | wps | he sucks |
| 16:32.49 | wps | look at his website |
| 16:32.56 | wps | has he updated it once since 1997? |
| 16:32.56 | _psychic_ | please don't say "Cold Fusion" |
| 16:33.00 | _psychic_ | it gives me the willies |
| 16:33.27 | wps | and even if he's not a front-end guy and even if he's not a designer… hire or work with one! |
| 16:33.34 | wps | there is no excuse for his products to look like that |
| 16:33.50 | mindjuj1 | v true that |
| 16:34.07 | wps | his website makes my eyes bleed |
| 16:34.07 | mindjuj1 | CF isn't THAT BAD |
| 16:34.11 | _psychic_ | whatever |
| 16:34.25 | _psychic_ | neither are FileMaker Pro websites.... |
| 16:35.12 | _psychic_ | I'd opt for a yo momma comment, personally. |
| 16:35.38 | mindjuj1 | your momma moonlights CF code at night! |
| 16:35.45 | _psychic_ | oooooh |
| 16:36.05 | _psychic_ | I just can't take it seriously when I look at the API, and its really a tag reference |
| 16:36.45 | mindjuj1 | well, it's purpose is RAD, if you need beefier, you shouldn't be using CF |
| 16:36.57 | mindjuj1 | it's good in its scope |
| 16:37.22 | mindjuj1 | though CF 8 does merge well with other languages |
| 16:37.35 | mindjuj1 | has ability to run PHP, .net , etc |
| 16:39.29 | _psychic_ | yuck |
| 16:39.33 | _psychic_ | I hate mixed deployments |
| 16:39.43 | _psychic_ | that's probably a way they attempt to make it more beefy |
| 16:39.58 | _psychic_ | The other problem is people use it for things out of its scope |
| 16:40.06 | _psychic_ | I've seen some pretty intense CF app |
| 16:40.37 | _psychic_ | It's like office staff who use Excel like they should use a web application :) |
| 16:40.54 | mindjuj1 | yup |
| 16:41.48 | mindjuj1 | i don't mean to scare anybody, especially since it's monday before noon, but if you want a REAL freak show, go look at the shopping cart maker for that email thread |
| 16:41.56 | mindjuj1 | wps , don't look ---> http://www.dansie.net/ |
| 16:42.23 | mindjuj1 | i haven't seen a site like that since 95? |
| 16:42.44 | wps | holy crap |
| 16:43.05 | thebigdog | its all in perl...yeah |
| 16:43.12 | mindjuj1 | i actually should save the page to show what sites used to look like. |
| 16:43.39 | _psychic_ | woo! |
| 16:43.44 | _psychic_ | ah the nostalgia |
| 16:44.21 | _psychic_ | though they need the animated email button too |
| 16:44.25 | _psychic_ | that's a huge oversight |
| 16:45.17 | mindjuj1 | you know, in some crazy kind of way, i miss the ole' rotating ? |
| 16:45.34 | wps | ~lart mindjuj1 |
| 16:45.34 | jbot | changes mindjuj1's permissions to 0777 and tells the world |
| 16:45.38 | mindjuj1 | especially how it's nearly perfect, but jumps in just the right spots |
| 16:45.45 | wps | take that back mindjuj1 |
| 16:50.56 | mindjuj1 | hmmm... |
| 16:51.24 | mindjuj1 | i don't know about that latest email on that issue |
| 16:52.35 | mindjuj1 | it doesn't look like a lot of rewritting to move that site to another place |
| 16:52.53 | mindjuj1 | looks like most of it is static, and the stuff that is dynamic seems simple enough |
| 16:53.40 | mindjuj1 | but without seeing the whole thing, would hate to encourage him to jump ship, only to find that some crazy app is in the background |
| 16:56.41 | thebigdog | i say jump and see how deep the water is |
| 16:56.51 | thebigdog | there is plenty of help around |
| 16:57.14 | thebigdog | he could even purchase a shopping cart and have it all setup in no time |
| 16:59.24 | orsonj | has anyone been able to stay at the site long enough to see how the cart interfaces with back office stuff? |
| 16:59.53 | mindjuj1 | see, that's my question |
| 17:00.44 | thebigdog | its probably old where it uses db4 for the database |
| 17:00.45 | thebigdog | :) |
| 17:00.53 | mindjuj1 | heh |
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| 17:04.23 | orsonj | actually, just resizing images in an image editor and adding a dash of css would do wonders. |
| 17:05.13 | _psychic_ | I'd add a dash of /usr/bin/rm |
| 17:05.25 | orsonj | The menu thing needs to lose the JS though. I had no idea it was there untill I turned it on. |
| 17:06.42 | orsonj | In this case it would probably be: Right click, Select Delete |
| 17:08.35 | orsonj | I stand corrected: http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=westernbotanicals.com |
| 17:12.51 | mindjuj1 | oh wow |
| 17:13.08 | mindjuj1 | did he really say secure AND emial in the same sentence? |
| 17:14.14 | mindjuj1 | oh, my bad, didn't finish reading |
| 17:14.16 | mindjuj1 | nm |
| 17:19.26 | orsonj | heh, We send the credit card to you by secure plaintext email! Not really, but almost sounded like it. |
| 17:20.09 | mindjuj1 | yup |
| 17:21.10 | orsonj | I wonder if they have to process the cc's manualy? |
| 17:21.22 | mindjuj1 | yeah, he just wrote back that they did |
| 17:21.32 | mindjuj1 | the go to the site, get the CC and run it manually |
| 17:21.40 | mindjuj1 | course, that brings up storing CCs on the internet |
| 17:21.46 | mindjuj1 | which is VERY SCARY |
| 17:21.49 | orsonj | I'd take paypal over that. |
| 17:22.05 | mindjuj1 | well, better yet, just get an authorize.net account and run it as you get it |
| 17:22.34 | mindjuj1 | and store last 6 nums or something |
| 17:22.36 | fungus | It sounds like they get an email about the order, but the details are only accessible via SSL secured web interface. |
| 17:23.02 | fungus | That would be ok, i guess. The weak link there is the person looking at the info, but isn't that always the weak link. |
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| 17:25.20 | mindjuj1 | i think the guy really needs to jump sites, but i think he's got his research to do |
| 17:25.36 | orsonj | yeah, a little worse than pos, you can't watch the person with you cc |
| 17:25.45 | orsonj | s/you/your/ |
| 17:26.11 | orsonj | oops two you's |
| 17:26.41 | fungus | orsonj: you'd be surprised how many companies (and shopping carts) that actually store cc numbers in a database (non-hashed). |
| 17:27.48 | mindjuj1 | yeah, we used to until I got to the company |
| 17:28.10 | mindjuj1 | then I went on a rampage kicked everybody and showed them how exposed we were |
| 17:28.50 | mindjuj1 | well, ya'll may have it secured, for me it's just another risk |
| 17:29.15 | mindjuj1 | and our security profile was that of a mack truck in a wind tunnel |
| 17:33.33 | fungus | Exactly |
| 17:33.42 | bradym | at my last job we were doing online credit card processing through the controllers office for a little while, then the secretary showed me the e-mails she got when someone paid us online - full name, full cc#, expiration date.. everything |
| 17:33.55 | mindjuj1 | yipes |
| 17:34.21 | mindjuj1 | see, with things like that, since we don't have all the info from his side, it's hard to tell him what to do or where to jump |
| 17:34.22 | bradym | i sent the it guys an e-mail telling them how insecure it was and the response i got was "it has been approved by the controllers office" and that "as long as you use ssl to get your e-mail, it's secure" |
| 17:35.10 | bradym | i quickly shut down credit card processing and put a note on the site to mail us a check |
| 17:36.04 | fungus | ArosNet had cc #s sent from the webform via email to the billing person. |
| 17:36.24 | fungus | I was confident that the path the cc # took to her machine was secure, but after that... |
| 17:36.48 | fungus | I found out later that she archived everything. |
| 17:37.30 | mindjuj1 | heh |
| 17:38.30 | fungus | After fixing that, I later found that they were stored in the database of our automated system that she entered it into. |
| 17:39.47 | fungus | And even later after that I found that the custom software interfaced with purchased software which also stored the data in it's own database. |
| 17:39.53 | fungus | Monetra (http://www.mainstreetsoftworks.com/) |
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| 17:52.49 | PoeticIntensity | g'day all. |
| 17:53.49 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a question which isn't really related to this forum.... at all. |
| 17:53.57 | PoeticIntensity | This new company is offering me pretty much any phone I want... |
| 17:54.06 | PoeticIntensity | Is the Treo or the blackberry better? |
| 17:54.13 | PoeticIntensity | or..... any input would be greatly appreciated. |
| 17:54.26 | PoeticIntensity | I have no idea as to what are the pros or cons to either... |
| 17:55.20 | fungus | For 3rd party apps -> Treo |
| 17:55.31 | fungus | For email, and other messaging -> Blackberry |
| 17:55.57 | fungus | The BB has the best messaging interface ever. |
| 17:56.40 | fungus | But it suffers in that there are much fewer apps available. |
| 17:56.56 | orsonj | the sidekick is fun, but I don't like the limitation of apps |
| 17:57.07 | orsonj | or offline sync |
| 17:57.22 | orsonj | it only sync's to the cell network |
| 17:57.50 | PoeticIntensity | cool... |
| 17:57.57 | PoeticIntensity | I think I'm going with the Treo with Palm on it. |
| 17:59.22 | orsonj | because I don't depend on any particular thing, I would like to try the open phone (neo or something like that?) |
| 17:59.38 | mindjuj1 | blackberry = crackberry for a reason |
| 17:59.48 | mindjuj1 | i've never heard bad of blackberry |
| 18:01.03 | PoeticIntensity | I've been purposely ignoring the whole "techno-phone" crap... |
| 18:01.04 | fungus | I use the blackberry, mostly because my company has a blackberry enterprise server, so I get wireless sync of my email, contacts, calendar, etc. |
| 18:01.12 | PoeticIntensity | but now they're offering all this to me for free. |
| 18:01.16 | PoeticIntensity | gotta make a quick decision. |
| 18:12.03 | mindjuj1 | orsonj -n- mj tag team via email |
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| 18:34.28 | mindjuj1 | Holy Hole in a donut, batman!!! |
| 18:34.36 | mindjuj1 | Safari 3 for ... WINDOWS ??? |
| 18:34.48 | mindjuj1 | http://www.apple.com/safari/ |
| 18:41.04 | Ritter | lol |
| 18:41.55 | fungus | dude, WTF?! |
| 18:42.12 | fungus | That came from left-field |
| 18:42.23 | Ritter | now, if Apple would just release OSX for the PC |
| 18:43.14 | thebigdog | Ritter, i'm all over that |
| 18:47.41 | thebigdog | works pretty nice |
| 18:50.27 | Ritter | eh? |
| 18:50.38 | Ritter | works? as in you are already doing it? |
| 18:51.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Aren't modern Apples built on the normal PC architecture? |
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| 18:51.47 | Ritter | sort of |
| 18:52.17 | Ritter | yes, its intel chips, but that doesnt mean OSX works on any pc chipset (as far as I know) |
| 18:52.21 | thebigdog | Ritter just with safari |
| 18:52.26 | thebigdog | works pretty nice |
| 18:52.32 | thebigdog | the fonts are kinda wack |
| 18:52.33 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, gotcha |
| 18:52.41 | Ritter | oh, I just download safari too .. for testing |
| 19:23.14 | mindjuj1 | http://www.apple.com/safari/ |
| 19:23.22 | mindjuj1 | whoops, wrong window |
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| 19:56.27 | mgeary | what can i do at the cli to get my uid? |
| 19:57.08 | mgeary | aah |
| 19:57.11 | mgeary | verrry clever |
| 19:57.13 | mgeary | "id" |
| 19:57.16 | _psychic_ | id -u |
| 20:14.45 | thebigdog | anyone want to see my safari on windows? |
| 20:15.25 | _psychic_ | is it nice? |
| 20:15.29 | mindjuj1 | yeah, haven't downloaded it yet, but curious to see how it works |
| 20:17.18 | thebigdog | http://map.trackmyworld.com/icons/safari.jpg |
| 20:17.40 | thebigdog | looks ok...the fonts need some work |
| 20:18.19 | _psychic_ | I can't switch back to Safari until they have a firebug for it. |
| 20:18.25 | mindjuj1 | i'm scared to see what my site looks like on safari, heretofore, i haven't had to worry about it |
| 20:26.32 | timinator | anyone ever seen coda? |
| 20:27.01 | _psychic_ | I used it for a week |
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| 22:33.23 | timinator | sorry to leave ya hanging there _psychic_ |
| 22:33.46 | timinator | I was curious if anyone knew of a similar program for the PC |
| 22:34.43 | timinator | Coda is Panic's solution for an easy-to-use IDE |
| 22:34.49 | timinator | but it's Mac only |
| 22:34.54 | _psychic_ | I don't know |
| 22:35.01 | timinator | http://www.panic.com/coda/ |
| 22:35.31 | timinator | _psychic_: no biggie, my guess is that there isn't anything close |
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| 22:39.34 | thebigdog | Ritter check this out - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121061 |
| 22:40.30 | mindjuj1 | wow |
| 22:43.29 | Ritter | 320MB, lol |
| 22:43.36 | Ritter | my 7950s have 1GB ea |
| 22:44.18 | thebigdog | what you have 7950s |
| 22:45.11 | Ritter | I have 2x 7950 GX2 in SLI |
| 22:45.34 | Ritter | bought them from newegg, but I don't see them there now |
| 22:45.34 | thebigdog | ~pimpslap ritter |
| 22:45.37 | jbot | thebigdog pimpslaps ritter. ouch! |
| 22:45.52 | mindjuj1 | 1gb on EACH vid card? |
| 22:45.57 | Ritter | yes |
| 22:46.22 | thebigdog | yeah Ritter makes to much money |
| 22:46.25 | Ritter | and each card is already an SLI card, basically its a quad sli system |
| 22:46.35 | mindjuj1 | is that at work or home? |
| 22:46.43 | Ritter | thebigdog: I wasn't married when I started building that compy |
| 22:46.50 | Ritter | home |
| 22:46.53 | thebigdog | how much did they cost? |
| 22:46.57 | mindjuj1 | yeah, was wondering martial status |
| 22:47.00 | mindjuj1 | and kid status |
| 22:47.21 | Ritter | I spent $550 on a case, and had to throw out the 650 watt power supply, too little, and get the 1K PS |
| 22:47.48 | mindjuj1 | throw out the 650w? wow, my stuff at home is too old |
| 22:47.50 | thebigdog | man that is crazzy |
| 22:47.56 | mindjuj1 | i'm running dual p3 650s |
| 22:48.12 | Ritter | its a nice mobo though, my 2x 7950s run at pci-e 16x ea on seperate pci-e busses |
| 22:48.23 | Ritter | dual AMD Opterons |
| 22:48.42 | thebigdog | that is just sick |
| 22:48.59 | mindjuj1 | man, i still my last purchase as a free man, a pro epson scanner - $500 |
| 22:49.14 | mindjuj1 | with photo neg capabilities, and all the trimmings |
| 22:49.27 | Ritter | it took me almost 2 years to afford that compy |
| 22:49.30 | mindjuj1 | it evan had USB support |
| 22:49.45 | thebigdog | lol...that is a long time to wait |
| 22:49.51 | thebigdog | but it is probably worth it |
| 22:50.02 | Ritter | I think I spent around $6K building it |
| 22:50.10 | thebigdog | wow that is a lot |
| 22:50.19 | thebigdog | i spend around 1.5k |
| 22:50.37 | Ritter | memory was expensing .. had to be ecc-registered |
| 22:50.47 | thebigdog | yeah that is really expensive |
| 22:50.51 | Ritter | expensive* |
| 22:51.08 | mgeary | ~buy mgeary munchie |
| 22:51.11 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen munchies for mgeary |
| 22:51.11 | thebigdog | well i take my pos over to the corner |
| 22:52.45 | Ritter | still having vista x86_64 issues with nvidia drivers .. tempted to install 32-bit winxp (dual boot) and play with that |
| 22:53.11 | Ritter | I have WinXP 64-bit, but it fails pretty early in the install (bsod) |
| 22:54.10 | thebigdog | oh that sucks |
| 22:54.54 | Ritter | nvidia is really behind with their vista support |
| 22:57.01 | thebigdog | perhaps they are waiting for the sp1 to come out |
| 22:57.06 | thebigdog | that is what i like too do |
| 22:59.28 | mindjuj1 | well, the only thing i have to compare to that is my work desktop, which i just threw in a new vid card in, so now have triple 21" screens |
| 22:59.36 | mindjuj1 | how did i get along without 3 screens before? |
| 23:14.45 | Ritter | I have 2x LCDs .. I cant work on just one .. no idea how'd be to have 3 though |
| 23:15.28 | Ritter | lol |
| 23:15.54 | mindjuj1 | heh, 3 is crazy |
| 23:16.27 | mindjuj1 | 4800 dpi across by 1200 |
| 23:16.46 | Ritter | back in the day, we unplugged a noobs mouse (at a tech support call center), and when we got in the next day, he was reinstalling windows |
| 23:17.23 | Ritter | to try and fix it |
| 23:17.46 | mindjuj1 | ah, office pranks love 'em |
| 23:20.24 | thebigdog | they are great |
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| 23:28.39 | timinator | later gaters |
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