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02:35.14*** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Geek Lunch Friday - 1pm - Thanksgiving Point | Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org
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13:29.35jsmithMorning tierra
13:29.40jsmithOops.. .silly tab completion
13:29.45jsmithMorning timinator
13:29.49timinatorlol
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15:38.00Ritterg'morning
15:39.46thebigdogmornin
15:41.14thebigdogUtah_Dave, did you get your eclipse working right?
15:52.02wpsthebigdog, the eclipse builds that we have on the UPHPU server are outdated enough that I can take them done now, right?
15:52.14thebigdogyeah you sure can
15:52.23wpsk
15:52.57thebigdogwe can also probably remove all links to them too
15:53.04thebigdognot sure if we have any in the new website
15:53.51wpsnope
15:57.54Utah_Davethebigdog: No, I haven't gotten it working correctly.
15:58.05Utah_DaveI'm thinking of re-installing java
15:58.09thebigdogwhatz the issue again?
15:58.18thebigdogwhat version of java you have installed?
16:03.39Utah_DaveI have the Sun Java installed
16:04.36Utah_DaveWhen I try to open a php file using the PHPEclipse plugin, I get an error popup saying there was an error and to look in the log file (which I can't find)
16:06.14mindjujui hate java, i can never find the one i need
16:06.42wpsI hate how they are clunky and the interfaces are always ugly
16:06.48wps(java apps)
16:06.57mindjujuyeah, true that
16:09.31timinatorI'm the same
16:09.56thebigdogUtah_Dave have you tried to remove the phpeclipse plugin and reinstall it
16:11.40Utah_Davethebigdog: I'll try that
16:12.20Utah_DaveI did the web install.  Should I do that again?  Or download the plugin
16:12.42thebigdogtry to download again and if that does not work then download it
16:13.59thebigdogUtah_Dave, also what i like to do is create different dirs for my plugins
16:14.16thebigdogthat way you can remove the dir without having to search in eclipse for them
16:14.40thebigdogunder the configuration management you can do extension locations
16:15.47Utah_Davecool
16:16.09thebigdogthat also lets you switch between different versions too which is a life saver sometimes
16:16.17Utah_Davehow do I uninstall a plugin that I installed with the online search?
16:16.47thebigdogunder help - software updates - manage configuration
16:16.58thebigdogyou find the plugin and disable it
16:17.22thebigdogdownload the other plugin and install it in a directory outside eclipse
16:17.33thebigdogthen in the manage configuration you can add that plugin
16:17.45thebigdogjust tell it too look in the new directory
16:18.09Utah_Daveok
16:18.10thebigdogUtah_Dave, what other plugins you have installed?
16:18.17thebigdogi know that phpeclipse does not play nice with some other plugins
16:18.23Utah_Davemaybe the subversion plugin?
16:18.33thebigdogthat one should be ok
16:18.43thebigdogi have that one installed and mine is fine
16:20.21Utah_Daveok, got it disabled and now I'm downloading the plugin
16:20.36thebigdogcool
16:20.59thebigdogman i almost bought a mac last night
16:21.33Utah_DaveOh, wait maybe that's my problem. I'm running Eclipse 3.2 and the latest PHPEclipse says it's for Eclipse 3.1
16:21.49thebigdogyeah that might be an issue
16:21.56thebigdogUtah_Dave, one sec and let me check something
16:22.20thebigdogyeah mine is version 3.1 with the patches
16:22.32thebigdoglet me check one other thing
16:23.36Utah_Davemaybe I should try the nightly build
16:23.41thebigdogok you can also try the eclipse php stuff called pdt
16:23.48thebigdogthat has worked really good for me too
16:23.54thebigdoghere is the update site - http://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/updates/
16:24.10thebigdogthat will require some of the eclipse web tools too
16:24.14thebigdogwhich are really good
16:24.17Utah_Daveok
16:24.37thebigdogthat is the tool that eclipse and zend are working on together with ibm
16:24.41thebigdogand some other companies
16:26.26Utah_Davecool. It's installing right now
16:27.15Utah_Daveit's complaining that I also need "org.eclipse.emf"
16:27.15thebigdogsweet
16:27.47thebigdogk, there should be a method to add dependencies
16:27.55thebigdoglike a checkbox or something
16:32.49Utah_DaveI'm not finding any option to add dependencies.
16:33.12Utah_DaveI tried checking the Eclipse.org and Callisto sites when searching for the plugin and that didn't help either
16:34.26Utah_DaveI'm trying the nightly build location of the PHPEclipse plugin
16:40.11Utah_Davegreat, that almost works, but then it crashes
16:40.15Utah_Dave~pastebin
16:40.28jbotfrom memory, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try  http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well
16:44.31Utah_Davehttp://pastebin.ca/548101
16:44.57Utah_DaveWhat's interesting is that if I have the Java perspective open and open a php file, it opens the php file correctly and highlights it correctly
16:45.10Utah_Davethat's the error I get when Eclipse crashes
17:06.27Utah_Davewell, I give up for now
17:15.52thebigdogUtah_Dave, try throwing some more memory at it
17:16.20thebigdog-vmargs -server -Xms256M -Xmx256M -XX:PermSize=256M -XX:MaxPermSize=512M
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17:16.37thebigdogadd those args to it when you fire it up
17:16.55thebigdogare you sure you have the right java
17:17.06thebigdog/usr/bin/java might be like kaffe or something
17:21.30Utah_Davehow can you tell which type of java it is?
17:21.47herlojava -version
17:21.55thebigdogy
17:22.16Utah_Daveit says gij (GNU libgcj)
17:22.28thebigdogyeah that will not fly with eclipse
17:22.36thebigdogyou either need ibm or sun jdk
17:23.09herlothebigdog: that's lame
17:23.22herlothebigdog: eclipse should support the most free version of java there is
17:23.35thebigdogwell they try
17:23.50thebigdogredhat has compiled eclipse to native with gcc/gij
17:23.57thebigdogwhich is supposedly killer
17:24.32thebigdogbut the problem is that everyone has there way of implementing things
17:24.46thebigdogif i have a choice i usually run eclipse under ibm jdk
17:24.52Utah_Davethebigdog: can I install sun-java6-jre?
17:25.00Utah_Daveor jdk?
17:25.11thebigdogjre is fine if you are not writting java code
17:25.29thebigdogyou might try it out
17:25.48thebigdogi always use the jdk so i have never used the jre
17:26.31thebigdogUtah_Dave, let me grab you the command line args you might need
17:26.52thebigdogok so add -vm <path to java or javaw>
17:27.40Utah_Daveok, apt is installing sun-java6-jdk right now
17:27.50thebigdogcool
17:31.27mindjujuman, i wish installing the jre was that easy on windows
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17:42.56thebigdogalso Utah_Dave you can download pdt by itself too
17:42.56thebigdoghttp://download.eclipse.org/tools/pdt/downloads/?release=S20070401-RC3
17:42.56thebigdogpdt-all-in-one
17:43.29Utah_Davemindjuju:  sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk
17:47.43unum_I have a table of projects with a one to many relationship to a table of dates I want to select projects that have dates with in certain range
17:48.08unum_can I do this with an sql statement
17:51.36jsmithSure.
17:51.40jsmithWhich database?
17:58.08unumpgsql
17:58.22unumsorry user came by and made some more requests
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18:03.26jsmithNo problem
18:04.26jsmithUnum: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/functions-datetime.html
18:07.25Utah_Daveahah!
18:08.36jsmithUtah_Dave: You can't just go around saying "ahah" without an explanation :-p
18:10.51Utah_Davethebigdog: it crashed again, but because I started it from the command line java gave me the crash info
18:12.00unumjsmith: thanks that's going to be really useful but what I was wondering about was how to do the join
18:12.26unumbecause I want my results to come back with only one row per project
18:12.51unumhere's the sql I'm using: Select studies.study_index, MIN(studies_dates.date), MAX(studies_dates.date) from studies, studies_dates WHERE studies.study_index=studies_dates.study_index GROUP BY studies.study_index
18:13.19unumbut I can't do a where clause on the min or max columns
18:13.33jsmithYou can use a HAVING clause
18:16.04unumjsmith: thanks, that's exactly what I wanted, thanks for the interval stuff as well
18:16.35jsmithNo problem
18:16.39jsmithGlad to help out
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19:54.38Lone_WandererHow do I select only rows where a datetime field is later than right now?
19:56.41macnewboldin mysql, right?
19:56.57macnewbold"where datefield+0>=now()+0"
19:56.59macnewboldshould do it
19:57.10macnewboldlet me know if that doesn't work, Lone_Wanderer
19:57.15jsmithAh, the ol' +0 trick
19:57.42mgearyhmm. what does +0 do?
19:58.10Rittercast to integer?
19:58.30Lone_Wandererthanks
19:58.49mgearyi've had success comparing date fields straight from the DB. does +0 unify date vs datetime?
20:02.48Lone_Wanderermmm, Jonny Cash
20:06.13macnewboldmgeary: it might, though with date you might need to multiply by 1000000
20:06.23macnewbolddatetime is usually yyyymmddhhmmss
20:06.27macnewboldbut date I think is yyyymmdd
20:07.27Lone_WandererHmmm.
20:07.45thebigdogyou might be able to use datediff too
20:08.01Lone_WandererIs there an easy way to see if a timestamp is today, by calendar (i.e. not within 24 hours, but actually today) or tomorrow?
20:08.32Lone_WandererIt'd be nice to have the events page say "Today!  Barbecue at nine!" or "Board games in the lounge tomorrow"
20:09.34mgearyi'd just use PHP to get the start & end dates using nice tools like strtotime and mktime
20:09.40mgearyand then pass raw dates to mysql
20:09.42Lone_Wandererthat's probably a better option
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20:41.20orsonbradym: hello
20:41.29bradymhey orson
20:42.32Lone_WandererI tell ya I fought tougher men, but I can't remember when
20:43.12orsonI haven't registered with freenode yet. want to hop onto the fslc server
20:43.20Lone_Wandererfslc?
20:43.26bradymorson: sure
20:43.32bradymLone_Wanderer: he's talking to me :)
20:43.37Lone_Wandereroh
20:43.53bradymand fslc = free software linux club at USU
20:43.56orsonFree Software and Linux Club. Operates (to an extent) from Utah State University
20:45.02Lone_Wandereroh cool
20:54.27mgeary~buy Lone_Wanderer pepto-bismol
20:54.29jbotACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen pepto-bismols for Lone_Wanderer
20:54.48Lone_WandererThanks.
20:55.56Lone_WandererI don't think Hamburger Helper agrees with me, in any of the phases of interacting with it.
20:56.18Lone_WandererExcept for the purchasing part.  It's cheap.  But preparation, eating, and... all the rest, have just been miserable.
21:07.06PoeticIntensitySorry to barge in ya'll.......
21:07.10PoeticIntensitygot a quick question.
21:07.32PoeticIntensityI'm running through a listing of files in a directory and I want to know which ones are currently open / being used  / being written to.
21:07.45PoeticIntensityis there functions I could use to do such a task?
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21:08.22scottmorrisHey, poetic. :)
21:08.23PoeticIntensityI'm basically looping through a glob of files, and I need to know which ones are currently being written to.
21:08.25PoeticIntensityyo
21:08.42PoeticIntensity~lart scottmorris
21:08.42jbottakes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in scottmorris's direction, hitting scottmorris and sending scottmorris flying into the closet
21:08.53PoeticIntensity~melvin scottmorris
21:09.00jbotACTION pulls scottmorris underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles
21:09.22scottmorris~tunafart PoeticIntensity
21:09.24jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to PoeticIntensity, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
21:09.53orsonI don't know about php, but the unix command lsof might be of help
21:09.58PoeticIntensityright.
21:10.12PoeticIntensityI'm wonderin' if there's a php function of similar value....
21:10.16PoeticIntensitybut thanks, orson
21:10.16mgearyPoeticIntensity: you're doing this writing via PHP?
21:10.20PoeticIntensityyeah
21:10.35PoeticIntensityI looked up "flock".... but no workin'.
21:11.02mgearyso, you're keeping the file pointers around, no?
21:11.04PoeticIntensityeven through Unix.... what would be the best way to achieve that?  lsof?
21:11.17PoeticIntensityah..... none of the files are being written to via PHP.
21:11.20mgearyah
21:11.27PoeticIntensitythey're being written to via asterisk.
21:11.28PoeticIntensity:)
21:11.50PoeticIntensityso..... I'm gathering there's no easy way to do this without running a Unix command via exec_shell or something similar.
21:11.53mgearyi doubt there's a PHP command equivalent to lsof
21:11.59mgearyit seems like to low-level a function
21:12.00PoeticIntensitysadly.
21:12.02PoeticIntensityyup.
21:12.05PoeticIntensityI'm hearin' that...
21:12.08scottmorrisyep, it sure does
21:12.09wpsman lsof
21:12.13PoeticIntensitymgeary, BTW - I start my new job on Monday!
21:12.28scottmorrisWe're gonna miss ya', Tex.
21:12.30scottmorris:)
21:12.37PoeticIntensity~weep PoeticIntensity
21:12.46PoeticIntensity~cry PoeticIntensity
21:12.51PoeticIntensity~lart PoeticIntensity
21:12.51jbotblames PoeticIntensity for all the evil in the world
21:12.55mgearyso you're leaving your current job Friday and starting the new one on Monday? I'd have at least given myself a day off in there... :)
21:13.02PoeticIntensityyeah....
21:13.07PoeticIntensityI'm quite excited....
21:13.21PoeticIntensityThe first week of this new job is gonna be...... pretty cool.
21:13.22scottmorrisHe has too good a work ethic to ever admit he even thinks about doing something like that.
21:13.23scottmorris:)
21:13.27PoeticIntensitywe're doing nothing but moving servers around.
21:13.37PoeticIntensityawww shucks.
21:13.46scottmorristru tho
21:13.47scottmorris:)_
21:14.38PoeticIntensityFor everyone's info, scottmorris works with me now.
21:14.44PoeticIntensitygood folk, he is.
21:14.56PoeticIntensityhe's a Linux freak to the 9th degree.
21:15.03PoeticIntensitywww.suseblog.com is his blog.
21:15.08PoeticIntensitypretty good programmer / sys admin, too.
21:15.19PoeticIntensitywe'll forgive him for cutting his teeth on VB... ;-)
21:15.29PoeticIntensity~lart VB Scripting
21:15.29jbotpours gasoline all over VB Scripting, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
21:17.28scottmorrisThanks for that. I do have to be forthright when introducing myself to people. I actually cut my teeth on DOS batch files, but that is very close to VB.  Probably a predecessor of some kind... ?
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22:21.33Utah_Daveso who's all going to the Geek Lunch tomorrow?
22:22.03mgearyi'm gonna try
22:22.12beandogmememememem
22:22.23Utah_DaveI'll be there for sure
22:25.16macnewboldhowdy, scottmorris
22:30.47herlonotmenotmenotme
22:31.16Utah_Davehow can I figure out the date in format Y-m-d of a specific day with the following info:  Full Year, Week#, and DayName  (2007, 15, Tuesday)
22:33.03mgearyhmm. maybe a combination of strtotime and mkdate
22:33.06mgearymktime
22:33.34mgearynot sure what you can do with strtotime and the week #. but i'm sure you can do *some*thing
22:33.42mgearyand after that, it should be easier
22:35.18macnewboldwell, g'day all - I've got to head out - see y'all tomorrow
22:35.24beandogseeya macnewbold
22:35.33Utah_Davemgeary: yeah, I'm testing something with that right now
22:35.36Utah_Davelater, macnewbold
22:35.42macnewboldgeek lunch tomorrow, right? I'm hoping to be able to go
22:35.52Utah_Davesweet
22:36.01Utah_Davegood food at Thanksgiving Point
22:36.05beandogmindjuju said he was paying for me
22:37.32scottmorrisfunny thing.... PoeticIntensity said he was paying for *ME*!
22:42.46PoeticIntensitybeandog is paying for anyone who claims my payment for them.
22:42.51PoeticIntensityand me, too.
22:42.59PoeticIntensityso there. :-P
22:56.09scottmorrisGood catch and clarification, poetic.
23:24.32timinatorI'm out guys
23:29.07mgearyBTW, prototype table sorting++
23:38.38beandoghola
23:39.18thebigdoghola beandog
23:39.27beandogque tal
23:39.35beandogI cant get ssmtp working. :(
23:39.38thebigdognada much o y tue
23:39.45thebigdoglol
23:42.04thebigdog~tunafart beandog
23:42.16jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to beandog, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
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23:42.20beandogbuh
23:43.07thebigdogget that ssmtp working
23:43.16beandogIm getting there.
23:43.27beandog~lart man pages with no examples
23:43.28jbottakes out a cattle prod and gives man pages with no examples a good jolt
23:53.23beandogI think I got it.
23:55.37mgearylater folks
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