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| 14:10.33 | timinator | mornin |
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| 14:17.51 | jsmith | Morning folks |
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| 14:37.13 | wps | hi |
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| 14:38.32 | beandog | ~morning thebigdog |
| 14:38.40 | jbot | ACTION bends space and time, trapping thebigdog in a universe of eternal monday mornings |
| 14:41.28 | timinator | ~mondays |
| 14:41.34 | jbot | Sounds like _somebody_'s got a case of the Muhhndays! |
| 14:42.52 | beandog | anybody got details on the next geek lunch |
| 14:43.31 | bigdog_ut | herlo are you around? |
| 14:43.44 | beandog | oh, n/m |
| 14:44.08 | bigdog_ut | mindjuju, can you post the lunch to the topic |
| 14:46.52 | bigdog_ut | roflol...man that is funny |
| 14:48.30 | bigdog_ut | jsmith you around? |
| 14:48.43 | bigdog_ut | or dataw0lf you guys around? |
| 14:48.52 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: I'm here |
| 14:49.01 | jsmith | bigdog_ut: What's up? |
| 14:49.07 | bigdog_ut | let me msg you |
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| 15:17.30 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Geek Lunch Friday - 1pm - Thanksgiving Point Watertower |
| 15:18.09 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> Geek Lunch Friday - 1pm - Thanksgiving Point Watertower | Utah PHP Users | uphpu.org |
| 15:30.02 | bigdog_ut | this is kinda old but a good read none the less - http://www.die.net/musings/page_load_time/ |
| 15:30.55 | wps | beandog: http://uphpu.org/2007/06/04/geek-lunch-at-thanksgiving-point/ |
| 15:31.07 | wps | it's also on the calendar |
| 15:32.52 | _psychic_ | bigdog_ut: that's a cool article |
| 15:33.13 | bigdog_ut | he has some really good information |
| 15:33.36 | beandog | thanks |
| 15:33.48 | mindjuju | thx wps! |
| 15:35.08 | bigdog_ut | _psychic_ the css sprites is a good little ditty too |
| 15:35.40 | _psychic_ | this kind of server tweaking really comes in handy |
| 15:35.56 | bigdog_ut | yeah i have incorporated some of the things he mentions |
| 15:36.07 | bigdog_ut | i do the build number thing alot |
| 15:36.37 | bigdog_ut | not for the reasons he stated...but its cool to know that it has some benefits |
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| 15:53.39 | _psychic_ | is there a way to have SVN write down somewhere what revision it is in? |
| 15:53.39 | beandog | write down? |
| 15:53.40 | beandog | do svn info |
| 15:53.40 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 15:53.40 | _psychic_ | naw I want it in a text file or something |
| 15:53.40 | _psychic_ | so my app always knows what build it is |
| 15:55.24 | bigdog_ut | _psychic_, check keywords and properties with svn |
| 15:55.33 | bigdog_ut | here is a link - http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch07s02.html |
| 15:56.08 | _psychic_ | bigdog_ut: many thanks |
| 15:56.09 | _psychic_ | again |
| 15:56.32 | bigdog_ut | np |
| 15:57.41 | bigdog_ut | ~smack beandog |
| 15:57.43 | jbot | ACTION smacks beandog upside the head. |
| 15:58.11 | beandog | where's the love? |
| 15:58.19 | beandog | only my tv appreciates me. |
| 15:58.23 | bigdog_ut | exactly...where is the love |
| 15:58.50 | beandog | d'oh |
| 15:58.55 | beandog | someone gimme a windows CD, I need to setup vmware |
| 15:59.17 | bigdog_ut | ~aol beandog |
| 15:59.19 | jbot | ACTION hits beandog with a free America Online CD until he dies |
| 15:59.19 | beandog | bigdog_ut: my puter is still b0rken |
| 15:59.29 | bigdog_ut | lol |
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| 16:04.48 | drip | gm folks |
| 16:14.40 | mgeary | good heavens |
| 16:15.46 | mgeary | i joined the provo freecyclers list so i could get rid of a huge aquarium.... and i see these postings, "offer: 35 oz jar of Raspberry jam"... "offer: free samples of baby formula". ick. c'mon people, that's kind of gross |
| 16:17.29 | herlo | bigdog_ut: I am here |
| 16:17.47 | bigdog_ut | herlo, nevermind i got |
| 16:18.11 | herlo | bigdog_ut: but I want to help you... |
| 16:18.16 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:18.28 | bigdog_ut | ok...ill msg you |
| 16:18.29 | herlo | I am sorry I wasn't available a bit ago... |
| 16:18.49 | herlo | but I want to be wanted |
| 16:18.54 | bigdog_ut | lol |
| 16:19.19 | herlo | I need to be needed |
| 16:24.53 | beandog | Ive got a grill I should freecycle. |
| 16:25.14 | mgeary | well, there's certainly people out there who will take it. which is great |
| 16:25.30 | mgeary | but i'm *not* going to freecycle our leftover roast beef from yesterday's dinner |
| 16:26.01 | mgeary | imho, if picking an item up would cost more gas than the item is worth, either give it to your neighbor or just throw it away |
| 16:27.57 | beandog | I usually just take stuff to DI |
| 16:28.12 | beandog | eww, there is some gross stuff on here. |
| 16:28.19 | mgeary | see? |
| 16:28.44 | bigdog_ut | what is the url? |
| 16:29.32 | beandog | http://www.freecyclefinder.org/finder |
| 16:30.29 | beandog | I took a huge stack of newspapers to a recycling bin this weekend |
| 16:30.41 | bigdog_ut | lol same here |
| 16:30.52 | mgeary | i just ordered a blue garbage can for such things |
| 16:31.10 | mgeary | $5/month for a pickup every other week |
| 16:31.18 | beandog | really? what do they pick up |
| 16:31.32 | mgeary | paper & recyclable plastic |
| 16:31.38 | mgeary | paper == cardboard, etc. |
| 16:31.41 | beandog | no way |
| 16:31.43 | mgeary | yep |
| 16:31.52 | mgeary | the crazy thing is, who do they find to sort the stuff they pick up? |
| 16:31.53 | beandog | who doe sit? |
| 16:32.07 | mgeary | well, in my case, some company contracts with the city of Provo |
| 16:32.17 | bigdog_ut | mgeary, in cali we had to recycle like that and it was cool |
| 16:32.18 | beandog | the homeless. |
| 16:32.18 | mgeary | i imagine it's similar throughout the state |
| 16:32.27 | bigdog_ut | beandog, that just sad :( |
| 16:32.34 | mgeary | contact your city sanitation dept |
| 16:32.37 | beandog | I know, Im cruel. |
| 16:33.12 | mgeary | blue bin == paper & plastic, green bin == organic (yard) waste |
| 16:33.12 | beandog | Im sure theres workers who do it |
| 16:33.27 | mgeary | i don't pay for a green one because we are practically surrounded by fields where i just dump my weeds. Shhh. don't tell |
| 16:34.39 | mgeary | beandog: yeah, but imho, it's silly to sort *after* collection. I'd be perfectly happy to pre-sort. esp. if i could pay less, or have no fee at all |
| 16:34.39 | mgeary | not that i begrudge the $60/month to do a bit to help out |
| 16:34.39 | mgeary | s/month/yearh |
| 16:35.37 | beandog | mgeary: yah, thats how we did it in georgia |
| 16:35.37 | beandog | one bin for plastic, one for paper |
| 16:35.37 | mgeary | yeah, in Germany too |
| 16:35.38 | beandog | I think. |
| 16:35.38 | mgeary | there were like 5 bins: metal, glass, plastic, paper and organic |
| 16:35.39 | beandog | thats cool. |
| 16:35.39 | mgeary | i'm sure on a large scale it could make a huge difference |
| 16:35.52 | beandog | http://www.slcgov.com/publicservices/recycleinfo.htm |
| 16:35.54 | beandog | rock. |
| 16:36.16 | beandog | looks like the same setup |
| 16:36.20 | mgeary | cool, eh? |
| 16:36.42 | beandog | no fee, woots! |
| 16:37.08 | mgeary | nice |
| 16:38.12 | bigdog_ut | anyone here use tmobile? |
| 16:38.16 | beandog | hmm, thats true |
| 16:38.18 | beandog | someones gotta sort it |
| 16:38.20 | beandog | bigdog_ut: I do |
| 16:38.23 | mgeary | i do |
| 16:38.29 | beandog | man you can recycle a TON of stuff. |
| 16:38.33 | bigdog_ut | do they still allow email to phones |
| 16:38.40 | bigdog_ut | like phone#@tmobile.net? |
| 16:38.52 | beandog | I can try |
| 16:38.55 | beandog | is that the domain to use? |
| 16:38.56 | bigdog_ut | oh damn |
| 16:39.07 | bigdog_ut | that is the wrong domain...they changed it |
| 16:39.16 | bigdog_ut | @tmomail.net |
| 16:39.49 | beandog | wtc? |
| 16:39.52 | beandog | nobodys gonna remember that. |
| 16:40.12 | bigdog_ut | yeah i remember that old one |
| 16:40.40 | mgeary | i haven't used that for ages, since they charge five cents a message |
| 16:41.02 | bigdog_ut | unless you have unlimited messaging |
| 16:41.09 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:41.26 | mgeary | but i hate scope creep in services |
| 16:41.37 | mgeary | same reason i hate co's like Comcast |
| 16:41.41 | beandog | oh man, slc website is running ASP |
| 16:41.43 | beandog | poor guys. |
| 16:42.19 | bigdog_ut | wow there are alot of things that count as text messages |
| 16:42.22 | beandog | comcast is teh suck |
| 16:42.29 | bigdog_ut | sim card updates |
| 16:42.33 | bigdog_ut | that sucks |
| 16:42.56 | bigdog_ut | voice mail notifications |
| 16:43.00 | bigdog_ut | that is crap |
| 16:43.15 | beandog | I love how telcos nickle and dime you |
| 16:43.41 | bigdog_ut | no doubt |
| 16:43.55 | bigdog_ut | i dimed up and got unlimited for that reason |
| 16:43.57 | bigdog_ut | which sucks |
| 16:44.11 | mgeary | yeah, i won't do unlimited. i use about 150 minutes/month |
| 16:44.26 | bigdog_ut | ~give mgeary teenagers |
| 16:44.48 | jbot | ACTION gives teenagers to mgeary |
| 16:44.48 | mgeary | but i pay for 700 for me & my wife combined, because if you go over ONCE, you're screwed |
| 16:44.48 | mgeary | ~giveback teenagers bigdog_ut |
| 16:45.22 | timinator | I have 1500 for me and 1000 for my wife |
| 16:45.22 | timinator | and we always come within 2-300 of that limit |
| 16:45.51 | timinator | that's just business hours cause we have free nights and weekends |
| 16:46.16 | timinator | we save our out-of-state family calls for Sat and Sun |
| 16:46.19 | timinator | :) |
| 16:46.33 | timinator | but we run a business so....... *shrug |
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| 16:58.31 | bigdog_ut | ~pimpslap herlo |
| 16:58.32 | jbot | bigdog_ut pimpslaps herlo. ouch! |
| 17:03.30 | herlo | ~herlo bigdog_ut |
| 17:03.32 | jbot | ACTION pokes bigdog_ut with a sharp needle. |
| 17:03.57 | Ritter | ~rlart |
| 17:03.58 | jbot | explains, ever so gently, that if tierra doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 17:12.58 | _psychic_ | me too |
| 17:13.32 | mgeary | i like that you can change it, but i wish it'd just set a cookie or something, rather than being session-specific |
| 17:14.04 | _psychic_ | just change the code :) |
| 17:14.22 | mgeary | yeah, but then i have to re-apply that change whenever and wherever i upgrade |
| 17:23.37 | _psychic_ | I guess you could submit a patch to the dev team... :) |
| 17:23.51 | _psychic_ | I think pma needs a competitor |
| 17:24.00 | _psychic_ | their code is... less pretty |
| 17:24.55 | mgeary | yeah. i'm looking more and more at client-based apps, like MacSQL, but they aren't as handy for servers that shouldn't allow non-localhost access |
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| 17:32.09 | wps | macnewbold: if your shop is looking for a few more projects, two just come through the job announcement list |
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| 17:36.07 | beandog | wps: he's supah afk right now |
| 17:36.16 | wps | afk? |
| 17:36.17 | beandog | as in, we havent seen him for a few days. |
| 17:36.31 | wps | oh… away from keyboard? |
| 17:36.31 | beandog | yah |
| 17:36.31 | wps | ah |
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| 17:40.50 | _psychic_ | beandog: you work at Code Greene? |
| 17:42.17 | beandog | yah |
| 17:43.18 | _psychic_ | is he okay |
| 17:43.29 | _psychic_ | or just on vacation or whatever |
| 17:44.19 | beandog | oh, he's fine |
| 17:44.22 | beandog | just busy with stuff, that's all |
| 17:47.15 | _psychic_ | seems like web dev shops are pretty hammered lately |
| 17:47.21 | _psychic_ | and its hard to find good people too |
| 17:47.33 | _psychic_ | a pleasant dilemma of sorts |
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| 18:31.24 | bigdog_ut | anyone use tripp power units? |
| 18:44.47 | bigdog_ut | ok then |
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| 18:56.56 | mgeary | does anyone know of any nice scripts that use, say, scp to benchmark a connection between two servers? I'm aware of tools like nc and iperf, but they need to be installed on both machines, which isn't always possible |
| 19:07.30 | bigdog_ut | i thought iperf only needed installed on one server, both if using bidirectional |
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| 19:09.37 | mgeary | hmm |
| 19:09.49 | cole_joplin | do we know where the lunch will be at on friday? |
| 19:09.55 | mgeary | they only way i've used iperf is: |
| 19:10.02 | mgeary | (server:) iperf -s |
| 19:10.16 | mgeary | (client:) iperf -c server.com |
| 19:10.35 | bigdog_ut | oh |
| 19:10.42 | mindjuju | hi cole_joplin |
| 19:10.48 | mgeary | but i'm sure there's ways to use it that i haven't tried |
| 19:10.50 | mindjuju | it's at thanksgiving point, many places to get food from |
| 19:11.10 | mindjuju | so we meet at the watertower, get food from where ever then sit together, eat and hack |
| 19:11.25 | bigdog_ut | i dont hack and eat |
| 19:11.28 | cole_joplin | ok, cool |
| 19:11.39 | bigdog_ut | mgeary, i like to use iptraf..but that is more a monitoring tool |
| 19:11.47 | mindjuju | you coming cole_joplin ? |
| 19:12.16 | cole_joplin | possibly, I have more time now |
| 19:12.17 | mgeary | i'm just trying to see how the quoted bandwidth compares to actual bandwidth on some servers, and i'm triangulating from a couple of different points |
| 19:12.34 | cole_joplin | we had a black friday |
| 19:12.39 | mindjuju | black friday? |
| 19:12.43 | cole_joplin | looks like someone kept two sets of books |
| 19:12.49 | mgeary | uh oh |
| 19:12.51 | mindjuju | i thought that was the day after thanksgiving? |
| 19:12.52 | cole_joplin | so I'm on the market |
| 19:12.58 | mgeary | cole_joplin: i'm hiring |
| 19:13.01 | mindjuju | oh no! |
| 19:13.05 | mgeary | pm me, eh? |
| 19:13.09 | cole_joplin | I'm looking |
| 19:13.27 | cole_joplin | I've been sending out emails and fielding calls all day |
| 19:13.43 | cole_joplin | what's your pm? |
| 19:14.13 | mgeary | anyway, for example, from my Xmission 1.5 mbps uploading content to my 15 megabit home fiber connection, i get about 100 kbps sustained. this is at 2 am, when it's unlikely that there's interfering traffic |
| 19:14.19 | mgeary | cole_joplin: mgeary :) |
| 19:15.25 | mgeary | cole_joplin: where are you located? we're in Orem |
| 19:15.40 | cole_joplin | I'm in South Jordan |
| 19:15.51 | cole_joplin | I'm also IM'ing you |
| 19:16.04 | mgeary | not seeing anything |
| 19:16.17 | cole_joplin | do you have a phone number? |
| 19:17.02 | mgeary | nope. we don't use phones here. you'd have to get used to that :P |
| 19:17.06 | mgeary | ;) |
| 19:17.19 | mgeary | you on AIM/Yahoo/Gtalk? |
| 19:17.43 | cole_joplin | all 3 |
| 19:17.47 | mgeary | gimme yer AIM |
| 19:18.04 | cole_joplin | CoollBreezeVFR |
| 19:19.01 | mgeary | says you're offline. <grumbles> |
| 19:19.05 | mgeary | sorry list |
| 19:19.41 | cole_joplin | cole_joplin@yahoo.com |
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| 19:21.05 | mgeary | well this just isn't working. |
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| 19:21.18 | mgeary | cole_joplin: alright then: 225-1414 x 1002 |
| 19:21.41 | mindjuju | whoops, he went offline before he got the phone, looks like |
| 19:21.50 | mindjuju | i think i have his phone somewhere, I'll call and pass the info |
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| 19:22.02 | mgeary | heh |
| 19:22.04 | mgeary | cole_joplin: alright then: 225-1414 x 1002 |
| 19:22.10 | mgeary | i can't reach you via PM or IM |
| 19:22.20 | bigdog_ut | just msg here |
| 19:22.33 | bigdog_ut | rof mindjuju |
| 19:22.34 | mgeary | mindjuju: great. thanks for paying! |
| 19:31.50 | thebigdog | jsmith, you around still? |
| 19:31.59 | thebigdog | or herlo |
| 19:32.02 | thebigdog | cause you love me :) |
| 19:32.15 | jsmith | thebigdog: I'm here, and I love you... what's up? |
| 19:32.20 | thebigdog | or let me through this out...anyone use opennms? |
| 19:32.42 | jsmith | I don't use it, but I've got an inside connection to one of the core opennms hackers |
| 19:33.07 | thebigdog | jsmith, what you guys use for network resource monitoring? |
| 19:33.25 | jsmith | Uh... well... uh.... |
| 19:33.43 | jsmith | In the past I've used Nagios, but I can't give it a great recommendation |
| 19:33.56 | thebigdog | yeah it sucks to set up |
| 19:33.59 | jsmith | Having monitored thousands of servers and network devices with it, it doesn't scale |
| 19:34.26 | jsmith | "Gee -- every time someone comes to the web interface, let's re-read and re-parse all the configuration files" |
| 19:34.34 | thebigdog | lol |
| 19:34.48 | thebigdog | are you guys using anything now for that stuff? |
| 19:35.09 | jsmith | Yeah... some Nagios still, some Zabbix, and some custom apps |
| 19:35.14 | thebigdog | or recommendation are good too |
| 19:35.50 | thebigdog | man with all my gis work now i could do some killer stuff for wan monitoring |
| 19:37.05 | thebigdog | how is zabbix working for ya |
| 19:39.14 | jsmith | Seems to be fine... I don't really mess with it (it's a client of mine) |
| 19:39.21 | thebigdog | oh |
| 19:39.25 | thebigdog | looks pretty nice |
| 19:39.40 | thebigdog | and uses pgsql + |
| 19:47.40 | unum | if I create an input element in javascript and set its type to text and then append it to the page, how do I focus on the input element |
| 19:47.58 | thebigdog | use focus() |
| 19:47.58 | unum | is there a way to do it without adding the element to a form |
| 19:48.09 | unum | that seems to only work on form elements |
| 19:48.23 | mgeary | ? |
| 19:48.59 | unum | nm that did work |
| 19:49.07 | unum | I swear a tried it before and it wasn't working |
| 19:49.16 | unum | but it was a couple of months ago I know more now.... |
| 19:49.22 | thebigdog | cool |
| 19:50.12 | thebigdog | focus() is part of the dom model which does nto require forms |
| 19:50.32 | thebigdog | roflol |
| 19:50.57 | thebigdog | that is almost 10mph over |
| 19:51.31 | mgeary | i'm know. i'm a maniac |
| 20:11.09 | herlo | thebigdog: I am here |
| 20:11.34 | thebigdog | herlo what type of network/resources monitor software do you recommend |
| 20:17.43 | fungus | Anyone know a *lightweight* pdf reader for windows? |
| 20:18.00 | thebigdog | does xpdf work |
| 20:18.08 | fungus | xpdf for windows?? |
| 20:18.22 | fungus | not sure |
| 20:18.24 | bradym | fungus: sumatra pdf - http://blog.kowalczyk.info/software/sumatrapdf/ |
| 20:18.35 | wps | http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/xpdf.htm |
| 20:18.37 | bradym | the closest thing to xpdf on windows |
| 20:19.06 | fungus | cool, thanks. I can't stand Adobe Reader, and refuse to install it in my windows vm. |
| 20:19.12 | wps | me too |
| 20:19.31 | wps | well, me too about Reader |
| 20:19.49 | wps | well, about windows too |
| 20:19.53 | wps | …actually |
| 20:20.06 | bradym | there's also foxit reader - http://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf/rd_intro.php - not as lightweight as sumatra, but still much better than adobe reader |
| 20:20.09 | wps | even in vm |
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| 20:34.14 | herlo | thebigdog: you mean like snmp? |
| 20:34.25 | thebigdog | yeah or anything else |
| 20:34.28 | thebigdog | like nagios |
| 20:34.32 | thebigdog | or something better |
| 20:34.41 | thebigdog | like opennms or zabbix |
| 20:34.51 | thebigdog | anything that you have used and abused |
| 20:34.58 | herlo | thebigdog: I don't use any of that stuff, but I heard about something that was supposed to be better than nagios. let me ask my flatmate as he does work with that stuff |
| 20:35.08 | thebigdog | k |
| 20:35.14 | herlo | and I'll get back w/you |
| 20:35.18 | thebigdog | k |
| 20:35.24 | thebigdog | ~smack beandog |
| 20:35.35 | jbot | ACTION smacks beandog upside the head. |
| 20:42.28 | tierra | foxit reader is nice, but doesn't always work with some PDF documents |
| 20:43.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone needs to take some high quality Arabic classical music and remix it into breakbeats. |
| 20:43.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Then I could listen to both kinds of my favorite music at once. |
| 20:44.16 | Utah_Dave | What's the header to send to force a page to be viewed as text? |
| 20:47.17 | tierra | header("Content-type: text/plain"); |
| 20:47.46 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, that is just wrong |
| 20:47.58 | Utah_Dave | tierra: cool. |
| 20:48.23 | Utah_Dave | I tried header('Content-Type: text'); and it seemed to work fine. But I guess text/plain is the correct way? |
| 20:48.24 | Lone_Wanderer | thebigdog: what's wrong? |
| 20:48.38 | tierra | yeah, it's the official mimetype for it |
| 20:48.39 | thebigdog | arabic breakbeats |
| 20:48.55 | Utah_Dave | thanks, tierra |
| 20:49.11 | Lone_Wanderer | why would that be wrong? |
| 20:49.33 | tierra | as the official type for XML is text/xml and there are other text/* types, it likely helps to clarify ;) |
| 20:49.58 | Lone_Wanderer | It'd be cool! "azbhklendjamaaaaa" *whump whump* "Alaaaaahhh wuchkbudd!" *whu... whu-whump* |
| 20:51.05 | Lone_Wanderer | الربع الخالي... الربع ... للغة العربية لغة العربية الفصحى |
| 20:51.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Now just read that with some nice breakbeats and you've got the idea. |
| 20:51.42 | thebigdog | thebigdog rocks...he...rocks!!! |
| 20:51.47 | thebigdog | that was cool |
| 20:52.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm hoping they'll teach me Arabic when I get to the language school part of green beret training. |
| 20:54.11 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, here ya go ال يرجى [أورل] استطاع لم يكن استرجعت |
| 20:55.04 | thebigdog | that is great stuff there |
| 20:55.15 | thebigdog | i picked up some arabic back in the day |
| 20:58.21 | Lone_Wanderer | What does it say, and how did you learn Arabic? |
| 20:58.30 | thebigdog | roflol |
| 20:58.42 | thebigdog | it says thebigdog rocks...he...rocks |
| 20:58.45 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 20:58.53 | Lone_Wanderer | some kind of babelfish? :p |
| 20:58.59 | thebigdog | lol |
| 20:59.12 | Lone_Wanderer | why are you laughing at me? :'( |
| 20:59.26 | thebigdog | im laughing...not laughing at you |
| 20:59.40 | Lone_Wanderer | mmkay |
| 21:00.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Man, this shoe company is awesome. |
| 21:00.58 | Utah_Dave | I work with a guy who's a green beret |
| 21:01.02 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 21:01.09 | Lone_Wanderer | weapons, medical, engineer or comm? |
| 21:01.10 | Utah_Dave | He's been through all the tough stuff |
| 21:01.26 | Lone_Wanderer | you have to to get your green beret |
| 21:01.36 | Utah_Dave | hmm. I think comm, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 21:01.52 | Lone_Wanderer | If you get a chance, can you ask him what kind of things they learn in comm? I'm debating between comm and medical. |
| 21:02.30 | Lone_Wanderer | The stuff they write about all of the different roles sounds super sexy, except communications. The communications description is like, "They set up antennas." |
| 21:03.01 | Lone_Wanderer | But if they learn computer stuff in addition to just long-distance communication, encryption, etc. then it'd be cool. |
| 21:05.23 | Utah_Dave | OK, I'll ask him tomorrow when I go into work |
| 21:05.26 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks! |
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| 21:27.58 | mgeary | stupid traffic ticket system |
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| 21:36.30 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer: Hey, I just got off the phone with my buddy who's a green beret |
| 21:37.20 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 21:37.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Is he a green beret currently? |
| 21:37.39 | Utah_Dave | he's an "Echo" which is the comm guy |
| 21:37.53 | Utah_Dave | yeah, he is currently a green beret |
| 21:38.00 | Lone_Wanderer | so is he in the national guard then? |
| 21:38.07 | Utah_Dave | he just got back from Korea for some training op or something |
| 21:38.14 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, he's in the national guard now |
| 21:38.14 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause normally a full-time SF guy wouldn't be working a civilian job |
| 21:38.19 | Lone_Wanderer | k cool, that's what I'm doing too |
| 21:38.32 | Utah_Dave | well, he works full time for the Guard where I work |
| 21:39.04 | Utah_Dave | he said it's a fun job. Basically you handle ANYTHING that has electronics or a battery for a team |
| 21:39.16 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 21:39.24 | Utah_Dave | So they train you a lot on the communications stuff because you can't get that anywhere else |
| 21:39.31 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, ok |
| 21:39.35 | Utah_Dave | but they expect you to set up all their networks and stuff, too |
| 21:39.50 | Lone_Wanderer | so the training is specifically for military hardware, but then you also train with stuff that's not solely military? |
| 21:39.53 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 21:40.08 | Utah_Dave | they have some mobile networks that you have to set up and maintain, Windows servers, network shares, databases |
| 21:40.49 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, it sounds like you're in charge of and responsible for all electronic equipment for your team |
| 21:40.54 | Lone_Wanderer | So it is, in fact, a broad spectrum of responsibilities, not just "point this antenna at that satellite" |
| 21:40.57 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 21:40.59 | Utah_Dave | yeah |
| 21:41.10 | Utah_Dave | And you're the go to guy for anything electronic |
| 21:41.54 | Utah_Dave | the computer geek... who also can kick some butt |
| 21:42.05 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 21:42.37 | Lone_Wanderer | What I'm really hoping is that they'll teach network penetration, and I'd get to crack into some Al-Qaeda networks. Assuming, of course, that they have computers at all, much less networks. |
| 21:44.34 | Utah_Dave | I don't know |
| 21:44.41 | Lone_Wanderer | mmkay |
| 21:45.26 | Utah_Dave | he wanted to know who your recruiter is. I guess he knows some of thelm |
| 21:45.32 | Utah_Dave | s/thelm/them |
| 21:46.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Sgt. Dimond |
| 21:46.36 | Lone_Wanderer | (no a) |
| 21:46.57 | Utah_Dave | cool, I'll ask him if he knows him |
| 21:49.02 | Lone_Wanderer | kk |
| 22:00.42 | mgeary | how can you get a backreference of a javascript RegExp object? not for use in replace(), but for assignment to another js variable |
| 22:01.41 | mgeary | or, does replace() return a value, rather than operate in-place. That would make sense |
| 22:11.56 | mgeary | got it |
| 22:12.33 | mgeary | you call the exec() method of the RegExp object |
| 22:12.38 | mgeary | and it returns an array |
| 22:12.45 | mgeary | much like PHP's preg_match match_array |
| 22:19.05 | thebigdog | dom model rocks |
| 22:29.15 | Utah_Dave | OK, here comes a dumb question. |
| 22:29.17 | Utah_Dave | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.23 | mgeary | no |
| 22:29.26 | Utah_Dave | I mean, two computers |
| 22:29.35 | mgeary | not unless some manufacturer messed up somewhere |
| 22:29.47 | thebigdog | you shouldnt |
| 22:29.51 | mgeary | but it IS possible for one device to have multiple MAC addresses |
| 22:29.56 | Utah_Dave | so they are unique |
| 22:30.00 | mgeary | yes |
| 22:30.14 | mgeary | but do not necessarily conclusively identify a device |
| 22:30.22 | mgeary | but it's probably good enough |
| 22:30.24 | Utah_Dave | right, they can be spoofed |
| 22:30.39 | mgeary | i wouldn't know how. dataw0lf might |
| 22:33.04 | timinator | I'm out guys.... house hunting tonight |
| 22:33.10 | timinator | later guys |
| 22:34.41 | Lone_Wanderer | You can spoof a mac address, so if someone's spoofing your address then yes, you could have 1 MAC mapping to two different pieces of hardware. But it "shouldn't" happen. |
| 22:40.30 | _psychic_ | mitm |
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| 23:42.03 | thebigdog | is there issues with div tags in IE |
| 23:42.13 | thebigdog | like with width and height? |
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| 23:43.22 | thebigdog | lol |
| 23:43.48 | thebigdog | you get something looking good in ff and then you look at it in IE and it looks like "poop" |
| 23:44.04 | jsmith | Amen, brother... |
| 23:46.47 | mgeary | can anyone speculate on why my attempts to set a session variable are failing? there is ample room for the sess_ file, and i have already called session_start() |
| 23:48.27 | thebigdog | ~runover IE |
| 23:49.14 | mindjuju | thebigdog , what version of IE? 6 or 7 ? |
| 23:49.20 | thebigdog | 7 |
| 23:49.36 | mindjuju | oh, well, don't look at it in 6, you'll pull out your hair |
| 23:49.39 | thebigdog | i swear you can add width and height on it |
| 23:49.48 | thebigdog | on divs in IE |
| 23:49.49 | mindjuju | width adn height to div? |
| 23:49.51 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 23:51.19 | mgeary | i'm setting a session variable, and then doing a header() redirect. On *that* page, my session variable is alive. However, on any subsequent page, the session variable is absent |
| 23:52.43 | jsmith | mgeary: And you called session_start() on that page as well, right? |
| 23:52.52 | mgeary | it's in an include that all files call |
| 23:53.17 | jsmith | Did you check to see that the sessionid is being passed in a cookie? |
| 23:53.42 | mgeary | no |
| 23:53.54 | mgeary | lemme just explicitly do ini_set("session.use_cookies", "1"); to see |
| 23:53.58 | mgeary | if that changes anything |
| 23:54.17 | mgeary | :/ nope |
| 23:54.23 | jsmith | Use firebug to watch the HTTP traffic |
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| 23:57.47 | mgeary | :/ weird. it seems to work in Firefox, but not in Safar |
| 23:57.49 | mgeary | i |
| 23:57.57 | mgeary | that's wanky |
| 23:58.09 | jsmith | Sounds like a cookie problem |
| 23:59.58 | mgeary | hrm |