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| 14:46.55 | thebigdog | mornin' all |
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| 15:46.25 | mgeary | hey all |
| 15:47.40 | mgeary | hey PoeticIntensity, did you ever get the reassurance you needed to be able to rely on the integrity of last_insert_id()? I was seeing some docs yesterday that confirmed that it *is* connection-specific |
| 15:49.34 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
| 15:49.50 | PoeticIntensity | I'm fairly certain I got the answer I needed.... heh... |
| 15:49.55 | PoeticIntensity | haven't thought about that one in a bit. |
| 15:50.10 | PoeticIntensity | there's so much craziness going on at work around here, we rarely actually get projects started on. |
| 15:50.29 | PoeticIntensity | we get em' documented.... then we find something else that we need to start on... so we document that. |
| 15:50.30 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 15:50.48 | PoeticIntensity | thanks, though, mgeary, .... mighty kind of ya thinkin' about that. |
| 15:51.13 | mgeary | nah, i just came across it and remembered your quandry |
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| 16:00.58 | thebigdog | wps, you around? |
| 16:01.03 | wps | barely |
| 16:01.22 | thebigdog | you know any good usability books and css design books? |
| 16:01.27 | thebigdog | or recommend? |
| 16:02.22 | wps | Don't Make Me Think by Steve Krug |
| 16:02.33 | wps | Prioritizing Web Usability by Jakob Nielsen |
| 16:04.10 | thebigdog | ty for the refs |
| 16:04.23 | wps | sure |
| 16:04.27 | PoeticIntensity | That reminds me.... |
| 16:04.41 | PoeticIntensity | I'm starting a new site, and I'm gonna try to use as much CSS as I possibly can. |
| 16:04.47 | PoeticIntensity | kind of exciting, actually. |
| 16:05.00 | PoeticIntensity | seeing that I've designed probably close to a hundred sites using tables.... |
| 16:05.19 | PoeticIntensity | CSS to me is (was) nothing more than making the hyperlinks change... :) |
| 16:05.21 | PoeticIntensity | so... wish me luck! |
| 16:06.54 | _psychic_ | good luck man |
| 16:07.24 | _psychic_ | it may take a little time to get used to the different quirks of CSS, but I've liked it much more than using tables |
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| 16:20.45 | mgeary | css floats---- |
| 16:24.15 | mgeary | hey, if i've got a huge list of ServerAlias entries for a virtual host, can i use line breaks within the listing, or will that break my config file? anyone know? |
| 16:25.35 | mgeary | looks like it doesn't like it |
| 16:25.54 | herlo | mgeary: must be all on one line |
| 16:26.23 | mgeary | yeah, i wonder about that |
| 16:26.25 | herlo | as in, ServerAlias x y z |
| 16:26.31 | herlo | ServerAlias a b c |
| 16:26.33 | herlo | and have it work |
| 16:26.39 | mgeary | but how would it know when to append, and when to replace? |
| 16:26.47 | herlo | mgeary: aggregate |
| 16:26.57 | herlo | per VHost |
| 16:27.35 | mgeary | yeah, seems to be okay |
| 16:29.22 | herlo | mgeary: totally works |
| 16:29.25 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:30.05 | timinator | <singsong> monday, monday </singsong> |
| 16:30.15 | timinator | la la, la la la la |
| 16:30.15 | mgeary | so good to meeeeee |
| 16:30.22 | timinator | so good to meeeee |
| 16:30.23 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:30.42 | timinator | LOL |
| 16:32.30 | _psychic_ | whoa a duet |
| 16:32.31 | _psychic_ | nice |
| 16:32.49 | _psychic_ | well, a treo if you count herlo's contribution |
| 16:33.13 | herlo | _psychic_: a trio, but I also have a treo |
| 16:36.00 | herlo | _psychic_: please, don't stand |
| 16:36.37 | _psychic_ | herlo: I'm staying right where I'm at if there's puke on the floor |
| 16:37.01 | herlo | _psychic_: can't blame you |
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| 16:40.09 | mgeary | does anyone else here use Mantis for bug tracking? |
| 16:41.26 | thebigdog | mgeary i dont use that piece of crap |
| 16:41.56 | mgeary | i don't have a problem with Mantis, except that recent versions have become pretty sluggish |
| 16:41.58 | _psychic_ | wiki, ticketing, svn timeline, roadmap, milestones |
| 16:42.17 | mgeary | :/ much more than i need, really |
| 16:42.22 | _psychic_ | I also use it with apache's LDAP auth |
| 16:42.41 | thebigdog | mgeary eventum is pretty good too |
| 16:43.11 | mgeary | OSS? |
| 16:43.20 | _psychic_ | we moved from eventum |
| 16:43.21 | thebigdog | yeah it is from the mysql guys |
| 16:43.25 | _psychic_ | their interface sucks |
| 16:43.33 | _psychic_ | imnhso |
| 16:43.39 | _psychic_ | *imnsho |
| 16:43.43 | thebigdog | lol |
| 16:43.48 | thebigdog | better than mantis |
| 16:43.53 | _psychic_ | ~wake macnewbold |
| 16:43.55 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on macnewbold and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 16:43.55 | macnewbold | try flyspray |
| 16:43.57 | _psychic_ | marginally |
| 16:43.59 | macnewbold | I'm awake, I'm awake |
| 16:44.02 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 16:44.09 | macnewbold | g'day, _psychic_ |
| 16:44.13 | _psychic_ | morning |
| 16:44.16 | _psychic_ | haven't seen you for a while |
| 16:44.21 | _psychic_ | maybe just me though |
| 16:44.32 | mgeary | you know who's really been quiet is dataw0lf |
| 16:44.41 | mgeary | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 16:45.21 | jbot | dataw0lf is currently on #utah #uphpu, last said: 'yea, he's awesome'. |
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| 16:54.39 | mgeary | bugzilla is too feature-bloated IMO |
| 16:55.08 | herlo | mgeary: you really should try flyspray, mainly because you'll have support in-channel |
| 16:55.26 | mgeary | yeah, i'll check it out |
| 17:00.03 | tierra | thebigdog: I'm loving Eventum, and also can't stand Trac |
| 17:00.21 | thebigdog | yeah it is nice |
| 17:00.26 | tierra | I've worked with Flyspray and Mantis as well, not particularly fond of either |
| 17:00.27 | thebigdog | i love the svn integration |
| 17:00.43 | thebigdog | the ui is not pleasing for many of our users |
| 17:01.57 | tierra | the Smarty templates are pretty strait forward for customizing though, so that's not bad |
| 17:02.19 | thebigdog | unless you hate smarty |
| 17:02.23 | tierra | http://tracker.mwpublisher.org/list.php <- I've modded it out to allow anonymous viewers |
| 17:03.26 | tierra | it does allow for anonymous viewers without modification, but only if you allow them to submit new tracker issues as well |
| 17:08.30 | mgeary | hey |
| 17:08.30 | mgeary | http://digg.com/movies/You_can_be_a_pirate |
| 17:08.30 | mgeary | digg it, if you can, please :) |
| 17:12.21 | timinator | mgeary; dugg! |
| 17:12.28 | mgeary | grazi |
| 17:12.32 | Utah_Dave | dugg! |
| 17:13.57 | macnewbold | yeah, I've been away for a while, at php|tek in Chicago last week |
| 17:14.14 | macnewbold | and I'm kind of slow on the turnaround as I'm digging through email |
| 17:14.45 | Utah_Dave | how was php|tek? |
| 17:14.55 | macnewbold | if anyone is considering (or using) flyspray, check out #flyspray here on freenode, too |
| 17:14.57 | macnewbold | it was good |
| 17:15.17 | macnewbold | I gave two talks there (DB design, like the UPHPU one, and Apache Error Documents with PHP) |
| 17:16.01 | macnewbold | and learned a lot from the other speakers |
| 17:16.11 | macnewbold | many were PHP core developers, authors of PHP books, etc. |
| 17:18.45 | Utah_Dave | cool |
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| 18:27.57 | timinator | yawn |
| 18:28.08 | timinator | anyone here connecting to the MLS? |
| 18:28.45 | timinator | ....or working for the MLS? |
| 18:33.18 | macnewbold | MLS as in real estate? WFRMLS? |
| 18:33.23 | timinator | yes |
| 18:35.06 | macnewbold | I've looked at it a bit |
| 18:35.18 | macnewbold | we've done work for utahrealty.com (IIRC) |
| 18:35.32 | macnewbold | and I know some agents who use it all the time |
| 18:36.14 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: ping |
| 18:36.27 | Lone_Wanderer | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 18:36.58 | jbot | dataw0lf is currently on #utah #uphpu, last said: 'yea, he's awesome'. |
| 18:36.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm starting to wonder if he's still alive. |
| 18:37.23 | timinator | I've got an agent that's asking for a site that connects directly with the MLS and has some added functionality.... do you have any advise for a newcomer? |
| 18:37.37 | macnewbold | lemme dig up my links |
| 18:37.57 | Lone_Wanderer | If I were a superhero, my super power would be cutting through red tape. |
| 18:38.27 | timinator | fo sho |
| 18:38.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd have a magic briefcase that has every form I need in it, already filled out in triplicate. |
| 18:39.21 | Lone_Wanderer | And Jedi mind powers so when a secretary tries to tell me that the person I need to talk to is out of the office, I can just wave my hand and say "You can take care of it for me." |
| 18:39.38 | Lone_Wanderer | (Guess what I did this morning? :p) |
| 18:39.52 | timinator | "I can take care of it for you" |
| 18:39.53 | macnewbold | timinator: here's a good starting point: http://xml.wfrmls.com/docs/ |
| 18:45.25 | timinator | good link, thanks |
| 18:49.07 | Utah_Dave | macnewbold: does flyspray have any way to tie into subversion or anything? Do you guys use it at CodeGreene? |
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| 19:19.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh, he needs a WICKED programmer. |
| 19:20.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I need someone to photoshop me up to look like a Sith so I can send him my photo as proof that I'm wicked enough to work for him. |
| 19:22.09 | macnewbold | doh, utah_dave already left |
| 19:22.18 | macnewbold | ~seen Utah_Dave |
| 19:22.45 | jbot | utah_dave <n=boucha@c-67-182-239-240.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 33m 38s ago, saying: 'macnewbold: does flyspray have any way to tie into subversion or anything? Do you guys use it at CodeGreene?'. |
| 19:22.46 | thebigdog | im kinda wicked |
| 19:25.38 | Lone_Wanderer | I saw your job posting and I would like to inquire as to the "wicked" requirement. I admit that I am not entirely clear regarding the meaning of this word. I have never placed anyone under an evil spell, slaughtered innocent children for fear that one of them would grow up and topple my dark empire, or tricked anyone into signing away their soul to me in exchange for a worthless trinket. Would I still be welcome to apply despite my clear lac |
| 20:15.33 | _psychic_ | I don't like it when they want rockstars either. |
| 20:30.26 | Lone_Wanderer | _psychic_: Yeah that one bugs me too. I saw one for a PHP Ninja once though. |
| 20:31.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I told them that I've been learning kung fu for many years, but since kung fu is Chinese and ninjitsu is Japanese, I would be honor bound to destroy my co-workers if I were hired. |
| 20:31.06 | _psychic_ | rock stars are spoiled, unpredictable, faddish, that only does one thing really well. Why would you describe a potential employee like that? |
| 20:33.47 | thebigdog | i guess thebigdog cant get a job |
| 20:34.35 | mgeary | ... to be his janitor :P |
| 20:34.40 | thebigdog | :( |
| 20:35.40 | mgeary | actually, what i need to hire is someone who will go back to Wendy's when they mess up my drive-thru order, and beat somebody up |
| 20:35.53 | mgeary | i swear they owe me about six pounds of cheese by now |
| 20:36.01 | mgeary | make that "cheese" |
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| 20:36.32 | thebigdog | ~pimpslap drip |
| 20:36.34 | jbot | thebigdog pimpslaps drip. ouch! |
| 20:36.52 | drip | careful, I'm fragile! |
| 20:41.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Lunch time! |
| 20:42.27 | drip | ty Lone_Wanderer ' |
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| 20:44.47 | timinator | I'm out guys |
| 20:44.49 | timinator | later |
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| 20:54.03 | Lone_Wanderer | The bean dog hath arrived. |
| 20:54.10 | beandog | holar |
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| 21:16.14 | Utah_Dave | I guess "wicked" php programmers use CodeIgniter |
| 21:16.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I've heard all kinds of evil things about CodeIgniter. |
| 21:16.40 | thebigdog | yeah that is the logo on my butt pocket |
| 21:17.04 | PoeticIntensity | I don't want my code ignited. :-( |
| 21:17.20 | PoeticIntensity | but then again.... I don't wanna be wicked, either... |
| 21:17.23 | PoeticIntensity | so... I guess it all works out. |
| 21:22.10 | Utah_Dave | /me's code is on fire! |
| 21:22.55 | Lone_Wanderer | OMG! Someone call a Wicked Developer quick! |
| 21:25.07 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 21:25.24 | PoeticIntensity | who, in their right mind, would want their cake ignited? |
| 21:25.34 | _psychic_ | I like my cake with soap in it. |
| 21:25.36 | PoeticIntensity | I mean.... unless it's dough. |
| 21:25.47 | PoeticIntensity | now that's just gross. |
| 21:25.50 | beandog | weirdos. |
| 21:25.50 | PoeticIntensity | c'mon, guys. |
| 21:25.53 | _psychic_ | its pretty slick |
| 21:25.59 | PoeticIntensity | soapy cake? |
| 21:26.07 | _psychic_ | *soap*y cake |
| 21:26.11 | _psychic_ | *slick* |
| 21:27.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Is slick an acronym I'm supposed to know, or is that just what happens when soap gets wet? |
| 21:28.09 | mgeary | Plesk-- |
| 21:30.32 | PoeticIntensity | Plesk---------- |
| 21:30.44 | mgeary | seriously |
| 21:39.04 | _psychic_ | while(1) {$plesk--;} |
| 21:40.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I saw a bit of code in it the other day that said if (0) { something } else { other stuff} |
| 21:40.15 | Lone_Wanderer | The something was only like 2 lines. I chuckled. |
| 21:40.47 | _psychic_ | pessimistic programmer. |
| 21:53.34 | tierra | Lone_Wanderer: We will disable various sections of code like that fairly often when we want to keep the code there for reference for the time being... though we usually use preprocessor macros for it (i.e. "#if 0"), but we also don't do write much code in PHP. |
| 21:54.22 | Lone_Wanderer | tierra: I figured that's what was going on (keeping it for later) but it's like two lines and they don't do anything fancy. |
| 21:54.29 | Lone_Wanderer | So I just went, huh, that's odd. And kept going. |
| 21:54.39 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: do you have a minute for an Eclipse question? |
| 21:54.44 | thebigdog | y |
| 21:55.32 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, yes i do |
| 21:56.01 | Utah_Dave | ok, I've got eclipse running on ubuntu. I installed the phpeclipse plugin |
| 21:56.03 | thebigdog | open question: what topics of interest do you guys want info for from person education publishers? |
| 21:56.10 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, k |
| 21:56.28 | thebigdog | person = pearson |
| 21:56.43 | thebigdog | pearson = addison-wesley |
| 21:56.59 | Utah_Dave | I imported some code, and when I double-click on a file to edit it, I get an error that says "An error has occurred. See error log for details." |
| 21:57.14 | thebigdog | k |
| 21:57.17 | Utah_Dave | where is that error log? |
| 21:57.31 | thebigdog | in the eclipse installation directory |
| 21:57.41 | thebigdog | or in your case it might be in ~/.eclipse |
| 21:57.48 | Utah_Dave | ok, I'll go take a look. |
| 21:57.51 | thebigdog | k |
| 21:57.52 | Utah_Dave | thanks! |
| 21:57.57 | thebigdog | let me know if you cant find it |
| 21:58.11 | thebigdog | fyi it will be a crappy message too |
| 21:58.17 | thebigdog | probably a stack trace is all |
| 21:59.04 | Utah_Dave | ok, it doesn't appear to be in .eclipse |
| 22:00.13 | thebigdog | do this in your home directory |
| 22:00.26 | thebigdog | find . -type f -name '*.log' | grep eclipse |
| 22:00.32 | thebigdog | see if you get anything from there |
| 22:00.36 | thebigdog | that command |
| 22:00.50 | Utah_Dave | is there a space between . -type? |
| 22:01.33 | Utah_Dave | ok, it's searching |
| 22:02.10 | thebigdog | y |
| 22:02.49 | Utah_Dave | ok, I got two lines back |
| 22:03.09 | Utah_Dave | ones the install log and the other is the error_recovery log |
| 22:04.09 | thebigdog | ok do you know where ubuntu installs eclipse? |
| 22:04.24 | thebigdog | it might be in there |
| 22:04.31 | Utah_Dave | ok, I'll look |
| 22:07.07 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, usually what i do is install eclipse from a zip file into a directory under my home dir |
| 22:07.31 | thebigdog | this will help with any trouble shooting and allow you to upgrade without ever dealing with the os |
| 22:07.39 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I should probably have done that |
| 22:12.37 | Utah_Dave | weird. I can't find the log anywhere |
| 22:12.50 | Utah_Dave | maybe I'll just have to download eclipse like you said |
| 22:14.38 | thebigdog | yeah or you might want to check where the jdk is installed too |
| 22:14.47 | thebigdog | not sure where it would put it with ubuntu |
| 22:14.48 | Utah_Dave | oh, good idea |
| 22:22.12 | thebigdog | ipods and teenagers dont mix |
| 22:36.47 | thebigdog | im thinkin its time for some rockbox on this stupid thing |
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| 22:53.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I need to get a copy of the whole Blackhawk Down soundtrack. |
| 22:54.01 | Lone_Wanderer | This song is awesome. |
| 23:12.31 | Lone_Wanderer | So I've got this script that makes images out of... |
| 23:12.40 | Lone_Wanderer | actually, screw it. I'm just going to make images manually. |
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| 23:22.08 | beandog | heh |
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| 23:39.45 | PoeticIntensity | chaoooooooooooooooooooooo! |
| 23:42.35 | mgeary | ciao |
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| 23:56.42 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog: On second thought, you probably don't want to meet Kristy. |
| 23:56.50 | beandog | oh? |
| 23:56.51 | Lone_Wanderer | She is apparently still in love with a guy she met on her mission. |
| 23:57.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Who lives in another state and is dating someone else. |
| 23:57.13 | Lone_Wanderer | And has made it clear to her that he has no interest in her. |
| 23:57.24 | Lone_Wanderer | But she still is convinced it's going to work out. |
| 23:57.57 | beandog | that's alright |
| 23:58.04 | beandog | the more female friends, the better |
| 23:58.07 | Lone_Wanderer | mmkay |