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| 00:33.49 | herlo | mindjuju: ping |
| 00:34.38 | herlo | mindjuju: how early is it okay to show up tonight? |
| 00:37.17 | herlo | or i guess since I'm already here I'll just come in in a few... |
| 01:08.35 | mindjuju | macnewbold |
| 02:12.50 | Lone_Wanderer | oh snap I forgot about the meeting :( |
| 02:12.52 | Lone_Wanderer | stupid friends |
| 02:13.06 | Lone_Wanderer | mindjuju: take good notes! |
| 02:31.30 | herlo | ~lart wps |
| 02:31.30 | jbot | pushes the wall down onto wps whilst whistling innocently |
| 02:31.33 | herlo | for not showing up |
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| 14:22.12 | timinator | yawn |
| 14:28.56 | wps | I can't believe that I can going to type this, but… |
| 14:28.59 | wps | I wish it were Thursday |
| 14:29.12 | wps | I need one more day before the end of the week to finish this big project |
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| 14:32.41 | jsmith | wps: You too, eh? |
| 14:32.47 | wps | yeah |
| 14:32.58 | wps | we're splitting our website and our web app into two |
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| 14:33.10 | wps | (how it should have been in the first place) |
| 14:33.16 | wps | a lot of work |
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| 14:36.02 | thebigdog | Ritter i sent you a goodie last night |
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| 14:38.25 | Utah_Dave | morning, everyone! |
| 14:38.41 | thebigdog | mornin |
| 14:41.58 | wps | if I had a nickel for each time I typed "clera" into the terminal instead of "clear"… |
| 14:42.11 | thebigdog | alias is your friend |
| 14:42.14 | wps | ha ha |
| 14:42.40 | wps | I actually really like aliases… I have several set up |
| 14:42.53 | thebigdog | i use it all the time |
| 14:42.55 | thebigdog | i have tons |
| 14:43.14 | thebigdog | ~wake everyone |
| 14:43.15 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everyone and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 14:43.19 | wps | I love how I just have to type one, short word and I am immediately onto my servers (with SSH key, aliases, and hosts entries)… cha-ching |
| 14:43.36 | thebigdog | yeah it is nice |
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| 15:28.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Who was at the meeting last night? |
| 15:36.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Huh. Apparently religions can discriminate based on religion in their hiring. |
| 15:47.53 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: anyone can discriminate on religion |
| 15:47.58 | mgeary | except state-funded entities |
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| 15:50.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Not legally they can't. |
| 15:50.09 | mgeary | yep |
| 15:50.53 | mgeary | hmm |
| 15:51.00 | mgeary | might not be entirely correct there |
| 15:51.03 | mgeary | http://www.eeoc.gov/types/religion.html |
| 15:51.16 | Lone_Wanderer | There are plenty of ways they can get around it, of course (This man's resume has one fewer typo, the fact that he's a Christian and his competitor is a Hindu has nothing to do with it!) |
| 15:52.35 | mgeary | as a counterpoint, though: |
| 15:52.35 | mgeary | http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4945299 |
| 15:52.43 | _psychic_ | I think there are only restrictions on publicly traded companies, no? |
| 15:52.52 | mgeary | and http://www.commondreams.org/headlines05/1017-04.htm |
| 15:53.44 | mgeary | _psychic_: i do believe there is some sort of qualifier, though i'm not sure it has to do with state of incorporation |
| 15:53.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm pretty sure that any employer is bound by the non-discrimination laws. |
| 15:54.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Except for religions themselves, apparently. |
| 15:54.07 | mgeary | what's your source for that? |
| 15:54.39 | Ritter | thebigdog: a goodie? |
| 15:54.51 | thebigdog | defias boots |
| 15:54.58 | Ritter | oh nice! |
| 15:54.59 | mgeary | yeah, here it is |
| 15:55.04 | Ritter | you had a spare? |
| 15:55.12 | thebigdog | i had 2 spare |
| 15:55.23 | thebigdog | so i sent jason a pair or jimmy cant remember which |
| 15:55.39 | mgeary | i believe if you are an "Equal Opportunity Employer" you cannot discriminate, but |
| 15:55.41 | mgeary | http://www.dol.gov/esa/regs/compliance/posters/eeo.htm |
| 15:55.42 | thebigdog | i got 3 pair last night...needed one for myself |
| 15:55.43 | Ritter | Tais is jason |
| 15:55.53 | mgeary | not every employer is covered by non-discrimination and EEO laws |
| 15:55.58 | thebigdog | yeah that is his hunter..he has a rogue too |
| 15:56.07 | thebigdog | yokisoba i think is his rogue |
| 15:56.17 | mgeary | http://www.eeoc.gov/employers/overview.html |
| 15:56.19 | Ritter | gotcha |
| 15:56.43 | thebigdog | but i did not get my chest :( |
| 15:56.45 | thebigdog | perhaps tonight |
| 15:56.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Huh, that's weird. |
| 15:57.18 | Ritter | thebigdog: good luck |
| 15:57.28 | thebigdog | that has a crappy drop rate |
| 15:57.56 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, running VC? |
| 16:06.52 | thebigdog | no dm |
| 16:07.00 | thebigdog | trying to get defias gear |
| 16:07.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh. |
| 16:07.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought the Defias gear was from VC. |
| 16:07.55 | Lone_Wanderer | DM = Dire Maul, VC = Deadmines... right? |
| 16:16.02 | fungus | VC = Edwin VanCleef (boss at the end of deadmines) |
| 16:16.21 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 16:16.45 | fungus | lv 20's dungeon. |
| 16:17.30 | Lone_Wanderer | and isn't Defias gear from VC? |
| 16:17.30 | thebigdog | y |
| 16:17.30 | fungus | yup |
| 16:17.30 | Lone_Wanderer | okay :p |
| 16:17.30 | thebigdog | vancleef drops a nice rogue chest |
| 16:17.31 | thebigdog | and you can get the defias set in there |
| 16:17.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I know. |
| 16:17.54 | Lone_Wanderer | But earlier I asked if you were running VC and you said "No, DM" |
| 16:18.06 | thebigdog | oh sry |
| 16:18.11 | thebigdog | yeah i was running vc |
| 16:18.41 | Lone_Wanderer | ok :p |
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| 16:29.05 | mgeary | ~sing PoeticIntensity |
| 16:29.15 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 16:29.31 | PoeticIntensity | ~yo mgeary |
| 16:29.47 | mgeary | howzit? |
| 16:30.03 | PoeticIntensity | fighting boredom... |
| 16:30.09 | PoeticIntensity | I've got work to do, just don't wanna do it. |
| 16:30.10 | PoeticIntensity | :-\ |
| 16:30.12 | PoeticIntensity | how are you? |
| 16:30.24 | mgeary | swimming in interesting work :D |
| 16:30.43 | mgeary | but we've got Fathers & Sons tonight, so i'm leaving early |
| 16:30.58 | mgeary | whatever happened with NW? |
| 16:31.13 | PoeticIntensity | NW? |
| 16:31.17 | PoeticIntensity | not sure what ya mean. |
| 16:31.18 | mgeary | Natures Way |
| 16:31.32 | PoeticIntensity | not entirely sure yet..... heh... |
| 16:31.35 | PoeticIntensity | I forgot I mentioned that to ya. |
| 16:31.55 | mgeary | did you guys see that "Human Slingshot" video that was making its way 'round the internet? It was even on Leno. That place belongs to an old friend. that's where we're having F&S |
| 16:35.22 | mgeary | what's the easiest way to convert ogg to mp3 on a mac? anyone? |
| 16:35.46 | mgeary | will ffmpeg do it? |
| 16:35.58 | PoeticIntensity | sox. |
| 16:36.01 | PoeticIntensity | not sure if that's mac compatible. |
| 16:36.15 | mgeary | sox is |
| 16:36.24 | mgeary | got to dig it up |
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| 16:41.39 | mgeary | hrm, does sox natively support ogg? |
| 16:41.47 | mgeary | sox: Failed reading Whatever.ogg: Do not understand format type: ogg |
| 16:42.03 | PoeticIntensity | riiight. |
| 16:42.10 | mgeary | i tried just sox input.ogg output.mp3 |
| 16:43.00 | mgeary | aah. supports Ogg Vorbis files (with optional external library) |
| 16:44.26 | mgeary | so, which ogg library do i need? libogg? |
| 16:44.27 | mgeary | or libvorbis? |
| 16:44.32 | thebigdog | libvorbis |
| 16:44.34 | mgeary | or...? |
| 16:44.49 | PoeticIntensity | something like that... |
| 16:44.59 | PoeticIntensity | with gentoo, I just tell is what to compile in and it all gets done. |
| 16:45.00 | mgeary | well, there's bnoth |
| 16:45.01 | mgeary | both |
| 16:45.01 | PoeticIntensity | so... I'm not sure. |
| 16:45.07 | mgeary | pish |
| 16:45.10 | PoeticIntensity | is = it. |
| 16:45.17 | PoeticIntensity | gentoo++ |
| 16:45.21 | thebigdog | probably libogg |
| 16:45.23 | mgeary | you youngsters and your "easy way" |
| 16:45.32 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:45.35 | PoeticIntensity | you'd like my pop. |
| 16:45.45 | thebigdog | gentoo+100 |
| 16:45.57 | PoeticIntensity | "pre-written functions? Nahhh..... I like to write all my functions. I like to know what it's doing. |
| 16:46.15 | mgeary | exACTly |
| 16:46.17 | PoeticIntensity | (had a conversation with him about PHP. He's a C programmer) |
| 16:46.23 | PoeticIntensity | er.. .was. |
| 16:46.25 | PoeticIntensity | retired now |
| 16:47.22 | mgeary | col |
| 16:47.24 | mgeary | cool |
| 16:47.47 | PoeticIntensity | cl |
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| 16:51.43 | beandog | ~lart PoeticIntensity |
| 16:51.43 | jbot | stuffs PoeticIntensity into a shiny new tin can and vacuum seals it |
| 16:52.06 | PoeticIntensity | *sigh* |
| 16:52.10 | PoeticIntensity | I don't like being canned. |
| 17:17.32 | mgeary | sox is sloooow |
| 17:17.49 | beandog | what are you using sox for? |
| 17:17.54 | mgeary | ogg->mp3 |
| 17:19.02 | mgeary | on my dual G5 2GHz machine, it's taken 9+ minutes to convert a 6 meg ogg |
| 17:19.53 | beandog | hmm |
| 17:19.55 | beandog | lossy to lossy |
| 17:19.57 | beandog | not a good idear. |
| 17:20.02 | mgeary | nope |
| 17:20.13 | mgeary | but when all you've got it ogg, and you want to play them with itunes... |
| 17:20.21 | beandog | Hmm |
| 17:20.26 | mgeary | (a buddy sent some oggs) |
| 17:20.27 | beandog | I wonder if you install those quicktime plugins,itunes will play it |
| 17:20.40 | fungus | If you want to play them with iTunes you can download the Quicktime component. |
| 17:20.43 | thebigdog | i would do ogg->mp3 before i do mp3->ogg |
| 17:20.53 | fungus | if you want the iPod, you are screwed, have to convert. |
| 17:21.01 | beandog | rockbox! |
| 17:21.10 | beandog | who was just talking about it the other day .. tierra? |
| 17:21.10 | thebigdog | lol |
| 17:21.23 | beandog | havent tried it yet, not with my history of bricking hardware. |
| 17:21.29 | fungus | Rockbox looks really cool, but I have the 80G ipod which isn't supported yet. |
| 17:21.48 | thebigdog | im not sure i want to do that either |
| 17:21.57 | thebigdog | i have a trouble of over complicating things |
| 17:22.16 | tierra | rockbox does let you play OGG, FLAC, M4A, and a ridiculous amount of other audio formats on your iPod |
| 17:22.23 | Utah_Dave | I've almost got up enough nerve to try rockbox on my ipod |
| 17:22.39 | thebigdog | well i have a spare ipod that is 30g i might try it |
| 17:22.52 | thebigdog | has anyone done it here? |
| 17:23.04 | tierra | with my iPod Mini |
| 17:23.13 | thebigdog | does it work good? |
| 17:23.40 | tierra | sometimes the mini has problems keeping up with codecs like FLAC, but for the most part, it works great |
| 17:23.56 | tierra | and as I mentioned the other day, it doesn't do good with battery life |
| 17:23.57 | thebigdog | does rockbox support ipod color 30g? |
| 17:24.27 | tierra | "Apple: iPod 4th gen (grayscale and color), 5th/5.5th gen (Video - 30GB and 60GB models only), 1st gen Nano and Mini 1st/2nd gen (Nano 2nd gen and 80GB Video 5.5th gen are not supported)" |
| 17:25.12 | tierra | so, yes, I believe your iPod is supported |
| 17:25.16 | fungus | Also, no support for my old 3rd gen ipod |
| 17:26.10 | tierra | The iPod minis actually had faster processors in them than the 1st-4th gen iPods... it's kinda funny |
| 17:26.42 | tierra | but it was also a dual core ARM processor, and Rockbox only uses one of the cores IIRC |
| 17:27.57 | tierra | that might have changed more recently, but I doubt any of the devs even care about improving mini support anymore |
| 17:30.05 | thebigdog | the ui looks like crap |
| 17:30.16 | tierra | it's skinable |
| 17:30.34 | tierra | and you can change the fonts... |
| 17:30.37 | thebigdog | oh they have themes |
| 17:30.41 | tierra | yeah |
| 17:31.20 | thebigdog | i want the dos blue |
| 17:31.31 | tierra | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g |
| 17:32.21 | tierra | hehe, a Winamp theme on an iPod |
| 17:34.20 | thebigdog | some of those themes are pretty killer |
| 17:34.45 | thebigdog | that tape themes is hillarious |
| 17:34.56 | tierra | yeah, wish I had an iPod video (color).... I only get to play with these skins: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodMini |
| 17:35.21 | tierra | heh, there's a Ubuntu iPod theme |
| 17:35.33 | thebigdog | yeah i need the gentoo emerge theme |
| 17:35.54 | thebigdog | super mario is funny too |
| 17:36.11 | thebigdog | xbox is slick |
| 17:36.48 | thebigdog | dos blue still rocks |
| 17:37.22 | tierra | Rockbox has such a ridiculous amount of features, it's not even funny... there's speech synthesis for reading menu items for the blind for example |
| 17:37.43 | thebigdog | that is cool |
| 17:37.56 | thebigdog | there is doom |
| 17:38.29 | thebigdog | man if i can play my normal mpeg movies then im there |
| 17:38.50 | tierra | I'm not sure what work has been done with playing video in Rockbox |
| 17:39.33 | tierra | oh, sweet... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 17:40.44 | tierra | doesn't look too stable though |
| 17:40.44 | beandog | Id love to watch movies on my nano |
| 17:40.45 | beandog | the ipods are too big. |
| 17:40.57 | tierra | "NOTE: mpegplayer does all video and audio decoding using your device's main CPU. It does not use any special video decoding hardware such as the Broadcom Video Processor found in the ipod Video. mpegplayer therefore performs very badly on such devices in comparison with the manufacturer's original firmware." |
| 17:41.27 | beandog | wowso itll suck up your battery |
| 17:43.19 | beandog | hmm |
| 17:43.28 | beandog | I need something to tell me if my daily mail has come at home yet. |
| 17:43.33 | beandog | Like ... a wife |
| 17:45.31 | mgeary | wife++ |
| 17:47.49 | PoeticIntensity | wife+++ |
| 17:56.31 | beandog | good ol Carly. |
| 17:59.32 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:59.37 | mgeary | that's a great song |
| 18:00.36 | mgeary | oh yeah |
| 18:01.39 | bradym | anyone know how to get ls to display the directory name prepended to the front of filenames? so instead of listing index.html it'll list htdocs/index.html? |
| 18:01.53 | mgeary | find will do that |
| 18:02.21 | mgeary | go to the parent directory of htdocs |
| 18:02.26 | mgeary | and do "find htdocs" |
| 18:02.35 | mgeary | 'course, that'll also recurse |
| 18:02.57 | beandog | not if you do -depth 1 |
| 18:03.02 | mgeary | ah ha |
| 18:03.07 | beandog | er |
| 18:03.08 | beandog | thats not. |
| 18:03.09 | beandog | it. |
| 18:03.24 | beandog | -maxdepth |
| 18:03.31 | beandog | find++ |
| 18:03.38 | beandog | once I actually learned how to use it, its incredibly handy |
| 18:04.22 | bradym | perfect :) that does exactly what i needed |
| 18:04.26 | bradym | thanks! |
| 18:05.09 | mgeary | #uphpu++ |
| 18:05.22 | fungus | bradym: ls accepts parameters |
| 18:05.32 | fungus | cd ..; ls htdocs/* |
| 18:07.18 | bradym | i was trying to do something like that but get the output to contain the directory name + filename on the same line -- so I don't have to manually go through and add the directory to the front of the filename.. i've been asked for a list of urls on one of our sites that has 13,000+ pages |
| 18:07.55 | mgeary | whee |
| 18:08.08 | fungus | Ahh, then find's recursive nature will be more helpful. |
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| 18:08.53 | bradym | yeah, i was playing with ls -R to try and coax it into the format that I wanted, but find is much quicker :) |
| 18:09.33 | fungus | Yup, find is a beautiful thing, especially when used in conjunction with other tools like xargs, grep, sed, and awk |
| 18:09.53 | mgeary | yes, though you can get around most of those just using -exec |
| 18:10.34 | bradym | i gotta get working on my command-line fu ;) |
| 18:10.35 | mgeary | except xargs. can't get around that sometimes |
| 18:10.56 | fungus | I love xargs |
| 18:11.23 | fungus | find . -print0 | xargs -0 magic fu |
| 18:14.37 | mgeary | not to mention the disk usage |
| 18:15.25 | beandog | what does -0 do |
| 18:15.33 | beandog | xargs is still slightly confusing. |
| 18:18.36 | fungus | find . -print0 adds \0 (null characters) to the end of each file name |
| 18:18.55 | fungus | xargs -0 interprets \0s as arg delimiters |
| 18:19.21 | fungus | This prevents files with spaces in their names from breaking your stuff |
| 18:20.39 | beandog | oh okay |
| 18:20.40 | beandog | cool |
| 18:21.06 | fungus | I'm sure everyone here has sworn at files with spaces in their names. |
| 18:22.46 | bradym | so if i want to limit my search to just .html files, which arguments should I be reading about in the man page? there's so many i'm not quite sure where to start ;) |
| 18:25.01 | mgeary | find -name ".html" ... |
| 18:25.15 | mgeary | find <directory> -name ".html" |
| 18:25.49 | mgeary | find <directory> -name "*.html" |
| 18:25.53 | mgeary | sorry |
| 18:26.29 | bradym | thanks :) |
| 18:28.51 | Ritter | isn't posting a job requirement to be a member of a church and in a certain standing very specifically illegal? |
| 18:32.26 | mgeary | only if you're an Equal Employment Opportunity employer |
| 18:33.22 | mgeary | http://www.byu.edu/hr/eeo/EqualOpp.htm |
| 18:33.26 | mgeary | interesting -- |
| 18:33.38 | mgeary | "The university does exercise the "religious" exemption granted in Chapter 60, Title 41, Part 60 of the Code of Federal Regulations. Within the context of this religious preference, BYU considers equal opportunity, as defined by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, essential to both the workplace and classroom. This is a moral, as well as legal, obligation" |
| 18:38.28 | Ritter | yeah, Aculis is claiming EEO, but I dont see any grounds for an exemption like BYU has |
| 18:39.31 | Ritter | yet every job I've looked at on their site lists a requirement with religious ties |
| 18:39.40 | Ritter | which I'm thinking is illegal |
| 18:39.41 | mgeary | ~Aculis |
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| 18:54.29 | wps | I'm getting old |
| 18:54.38 | wps | I can't listen to Counting Crows wail like I used to |
| 18:54.44 | wps | starts to grind on my nerves |
| 18:55.34 | jsmith | Is that a bad thing? |
| 18:55.59 | wps | nah… I've actually never been a huge CC fan |
| 18:56.06 | bradym | one more tweak on the find command, can i exclude files based on a regex pattern? |
| 18:57.14 | jsmith | bradym: You can always pipe the results through 'grep -v' |
| 18:57.17 | mgeary | bradym: at the very least you could pipe the output through grep -v |
| 18:57.21 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:57.23 | mgeary | jinx |
| 18:57.26 | mgeary | 12345678910 |
| 18:57.45 | mgeary | jsmith owes mgeary a taco |
| 18:58.06 | jsmith | mgeary: Oh? I owe you a taco? |
| 18:58.10 | jsmith | mmmn... tacos... |
| 18:58.29 | bradym | thanks guys, now if i can get this regex working right... |
| 18:58.36 | mgeary | jsmith: time-honored rules of the jinx |
| 18:58.52 | mgeary | 'cept i don't like Coke, and i do like tacos |
| 19:01.34 | jsmith | mgeary: I said it first -- doesn't that mean *you* owe *me* a taco? |
| 19:02.08 | mgeary | no no no. it's whoever gets to 10 first. |
| 19:02.11 | mgeary | http://alvinlin.blogspot.com/2005/10/official-rules-of-jinx.html |
| 19:02.46 | mgeary | ~wiki jinx |
| 19:02.57 | mgeary | no no |
| 19:03.04 | mgeary | ~wiki Jinx_(children's_game) |
| 19:03.29 | Ritter | lol |
| 19:32.47 | Ritter | wow, I've only started to look in to Ext (extjs.com) .. very impressive ajax/css menuing and layout controls |
| 19:56.00 | Ritter | http://extjs.com/deploy/ext/examples/menu/menus.html |
| 19:56.09 | Ritter | nice example of menus |
| 19:57.04 | mgeary | that is nice |
| 20:41.20 | Ritter | its so quiet here .. you'd think it was friday or something |
| 20:44.38 | bradym | that ext stuff looks really nice |
| 20:45.57 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: I've always hated counting crows. |
| 20:47.45 | mgeary | whatcha listening to? |
| 20:48.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Communist music. I don't know what it's called. |
| 20:48.39 | Lone_Wanderer | It just makes me think of big Russian workers with mustaches who clench their fists when they speak and say "Mother Russia!" a lot. |
| 20:49.10 | herlo | communists make music? I thought that everybody was equal and the same under communism |
| 20:49.20 | herlo | :) |
| 20:49.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, you have to have something inspiring to play. |
| 20:49.34 | herlo | I see |
| 20:49.37 | Lone_Wanderer | To indoctrinate the workers about how great it is to toil in the cold all day for nothing. |
| 20:50.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I think it was from the Hunt for Red October soundtrack. |
| 20:50.25 | herlo | nice justification |
| 20:50.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Justification?!? |
| 20:50.50 | herlo | not yours, the commies |
| 20:51.24 | beandog | communism is just misunderstood. |
| 20:51.29 | beandog | like care bears. and bran flakes. |
| 20:51.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you want to go to the штоки, камрад? |
| 20:51.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Холодно, я говорю русского! |
| 20:51.57 | herlo | los |
| 20:53.12 | herlo | nice one beandog... |
| 20:53.18 | beandog | :) |
| 20:53.24 | Lone_Wanderer | When I worked in customer service my pseudonym was Russian. I don't remember what the last name was, but I picked the one with the most consonants in a row that I could find. |
| 20:53.38 | Lone_Wanderer | It was like Zdrvkutsk or something. |
| 20:54.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Which served not only to confuse people away from asking my name, but also as a (very) subtle commentary on Indians, who speak with Indian accents, and are cleary currently living in India, using names like "Joe" or "Bob". |
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| 20:55.22 | mgeary | and here i thought that was just an Ohio accent |
| 20:55.56 | Lone_Wanderer | When I was in London, a drunk Indian threatened to throw me in the Thames. |
| 20:55.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Which was hilarious because he sounded just like Apu. |
| 20:56.13 | Lone_Wanderer | (You kind of had to be there.) |
| 20:57.33 | mgeary | i'm off to Fathers' and Sons'. Watch for me on the next Human Slingshot video ;) |
| 20:57.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Have fun. |
| 20:58.00 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 20:59.55 | beandog | human slingshot? |
| 20:59.59 | beandog | cats are *so* much more fun. |
| 21:00.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Especially if they land in a body of water. |
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| 21:07.22 | _psychic_ | or on cement |
| 21:07.56 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v jsmith] by ChanServ |
| 21:08.01 | Lone_Wanderer | _psychic_: is it you that goes to the Republican on Fridays? |
| 21:08.18 | _psychic_ | no |
| 21:08.26 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 21:08.26 | _psychic_ | the Republican? |
| 21:08.29 | Lone_Wanderer | It's a bar in SLC. |
| 21:08.44 | _psychic_ | gotcha |
| 21:24.37 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave you awake? |
| 21:24.50 | Utah_Dave | yep! |
| 21:24.50 | beandog | bah |
| 21:24.52 | beandog | wheres mindjuju? |
| 21:25.05 | beandog | ~lart PoeticIntensity |
| 21:25.05 | jbot | slaps PoeticIntensity upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 21:25.05 | thebigdog | how did that search plugin work for ya? |
| 21:25.13 | thebigdog | ~lart beandog |
| 21:25.14 | jbot | takes out a seltzer bottle and sprays beandog in the face. You know, one of those old-school seltzer bottles clowns have? Yeah those. Anyway, consider yourself spritzed |
| 21:25.25 | beandog | someone entertain me |
| 21:25.28 | beandog | its friday afternoon |
| 21:25.36 | beandog | :) |
| 21:25.36 | thebigdog | ~pimpslap beandog |
| 21:25.58 | jbot | thebigdog pimpslaps beandog. ouch! |
| 21:25.58 | Utah_Dave | you know, I didn't get to installing it. I'll do that right now |
| 21:26.00 | beandog | ~reboot thebigdog |
| 21:26.03 | jbot | ACTION pushes thebigdog's reset button |
| 21:26.09 | beandog | hee hee |
| 21:26.17 | thebigdog | ~melvin beandog |
| 21:26.20 | jbot | ACTION pulls beandog underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 21:26.36 | beandog | ~rlart |
| 21:26.39 | jbot | blasts bradym with a huge firehose then strangles bradym with it |
| 21:27.16 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: where to I put the contents of that zip file again? |
| 21:27.43 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave: in the searchplugin dir under your firefox installation |
| 21:27.47 | bradym | ~rlart |
| 21:28.13 | jbot | whips Utah_Dave with a wet and grimy noodle just because |
| 21:28.13 | thebigdog | ~lart beandog |
| 21:28.13 | jbot | turns beandog into a lifesized tux doll |
| 21:28.20 | beandog | ooh |
| 21:28.21 | beandog | tux |
| 21:28.24 | Utah_Dave | ouch |
| 21:28.36 | thebigdog | ~wave beandog |
| 21:28.39 | jbot | Bye, beandog |
| 21:30.06 | PoeticIntensity | ack.. . ... . . . .. losing steam.... must.....keep..............working... |
| 21:30.16 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 21:30.33 | thebigdog | so who attended the meeting |
| 21:31.07 | beandog | bed wetter? |
| 21:31.12 | beandog | my secret is out. |
| 21:32.18 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: sweet, it works great |
| 21:32.25 | thebigdog | nie |
| 21:32.26 | thebigdog | nice |
| 21:32.48 | thebigdog | i going to redo it and make it a little better |
| 21:33.45 | thebigdog | its kinda olld school |
| 21:33.45 | Utah_Dave | yeah. I've been using vim a lot lately too. I'm either in vim or eclipse most of my day |
| 21:33.45 | thebigdog | same here |
| 21:33.45 | thebigdog | i use it a lot now |
| 21:33.45 | thebigdog | there are some great tips |
| 21:33.45 | Utah_Dave | vim is like a religion. You never are able to learn everything. There's always a something deeper to learn |
| 21:33.45 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 21:34.04 | thebigdog | i would hate to sit and watch bram use vim...i would laugh, cry, curl up in a ball... |
| 21:34.28 | beandog | plus if you do something wrong, it smites you. |
| 21:34.44 | thebigdog | most likely |
| 21:34.58 | thebigdog | thus, curl up in a ball from the beating |
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| 21:35.14 | thebigdog | did anyone see the cnn news about the 17yr girl that got stoned? |
| 21:35.33 | thebigdog | that was sad man....if i was there...i would have ak47'ed those guys |
| 21:35.45 | thebigdog | they will get theirs |
| 21:36.04 | bradym | yeah, that's messed up |
| 21:36.29 | thebigdog | i think having a daughter that is 16 really opened my eyes to it |
| 21:36.45 | thebigdog | i just sat there thinking how could a father let that happen |
| 21:37.16 | thebigdog | i would have killed a good majority before they got me for sure |
| 21:37.48 | PoeticIntensity | just thinking about that makes me cringe. |
| 21:37.52 | PoeticIntensity | and my daughter is only 3. |
| 21:38.11 | PoeticIntensity | I would seriously consider going to both jail and hell for murder in a case like that. |
| 21:38.12 | thebigdog | i better shut up now...im getting all worked up again |
| 21:38.25 | PoeticIntensity | ditto |
| 21:38.29 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, i hear ya bro |
| 21:38.32 | beandog | what happened? |
| 21:38.37 | beandog | you have a 17 year old you want me to date? |
| 21:38.39 | beandog | heh |
| 21:38.52 | thebigdog | beandog, no |
| 21:39.20 | thebigdog | some 17yr old girl in iraq somewhere was stoned for falling in love with a guy from another religion |
| 21:39.27 | beandog | oh *stoned* |
| 21:39.30 | beandog | as in killed |
| 21:39.32 | beandog | I thought you were talking about drugs. |
| 21:39.33 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 21:39.38 | beandog | yah, that is crazy stupid insane. |
| 21:39.40 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 21:39.44 | beandog | so much for a modern society. |
| 21:39.51 | thebigdog | and they had all these guys stoning her |
| 21:39.59 | thebigdog | and talking pics with cell phones and vidoe |
| 21:40.08 | beandog | thats just horrible. |
| 21:40.09 | thebigdog | just no regard for women or life |
| 21:40.38 | beandog | craziness. |
| 21:40.40 | thebigdog | i better here much around it or read it, just watched the footage from the phones on cnn |
| 21:40.44 | thebigdog | it was really messed up |
| 21:40.53 | thebigdog | i dont think they did anything either |
| 21:41.03 | beandog | wasnt she like crying out for help while people were killing her? |
| 21:41.06 | thebigdog | i think she only professed her love is all |
| 21:41.15 | thebigdog | i think so |
| 21:41.28 | beandog | man if that happened here, wed have riots. |
| 21:41.30 | thebigdog | i saw them dragger her out to the street |
| 21:41.55 | thebigdog | hell ya...but you would also have a father that would be killing some people...atleast i would |
| 21:43.12 | beandog | yah |
| 21:52.46 | thebigdog | dude you order one from mac? |
| 21:53.03 | thebigdog | oh you might not have order from wishbone |
| 21:53.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I have one of those, it doesn't tell me the things I need to know. |
| 21:53.09 | thebigdog | i got a killer one |
| 21:53.15 | thebigdog | what you need to know? |
| 21:54.17 | Lone_Wanderer | How to open a popup. |
| 21:54.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I've asked this before like 20 times, so... yeah. |
| 21:54.38 | thebigdog | like create a popup window? |
| 21:54.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 21:54.56 | thebigdog | window.open |
| 21:55.19 | thebigdog | here let me paste a function i use |
| 21:55.19 | Lone_Wanderer | By the way, I know a guy named Peter Boughton. He's starting a new company called Boughton Impulse. |
| 21:55.20 | Utah_Dave | I have a Unix Timestamp in $StartDate. I'm trying to add 1 day to that with strtotime, but it's giving me fits |
| 21:55.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Utah_Dave: Can't you just add the number of seconds in a day to it? |
| 21:56.05 | Utah_Dave | $EndDate = strototime("$StartDate + 1 day") |
| 21:56.11 | Utah_Dave | doesn't seem to work |
| 21:56.17 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer: Yeah, I guess I could do that. |
| 21:56.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Right, because $StartDate isn't a string. |
| 21:56.42 | thebigdog | what is a good pastebin |
| 21:56.47 | thebigdog | pastebin itself is sucking |
| 21:56.48 | Lone_Wanderer | You need to wrap $StartDate in a function that converts the Unix timestamp into a (dpaste) string |
| 21:56.50 | Utah_Dave | but then I'd have to do some work and figure out the number of seconds in a day |
| 21:57.00 | beandog | 86400 |
| 21:57.03 | Utah_Dave | ~pastebin |
| 21:57.06 | jbot | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 21:57.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I think strftime is... or you could ask beandog |
| 21:57.21 | thebigdog | rafb.net is the one |
| 21:57.39 | Lone_Wanderer | dpaste.com is THE ONE TRUE PASTEBIN |
| 21:57.52 | beandog | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how+many+seconds+are+in+a+day%3F&btnG=Google+Search |
| 21:57.55 | bradym | Utah_Dave: I think you want to do $EndDate = strtotime("+1 day", $StartDate) |
| 21:58.03 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, http://rafb.net/p/EBDpSO24.html |
| 21:58.05 | beandog | the one true pastebin is the one that works with a CLI client |
| 21:58.07 | thebigdog | that is a good one |
| 21:58.10 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks thebigdog |
| 21:58.12 | Utah_Dave | bradym: Ah, that looks right |
| 21:58.16 | Utah_Dave | thanks, bradym |
| 21:58.20 | thebigdog | very simple |
| 21:58.30 | bradym | np |
| 21:59.09 | thebigdog | i hate people that do crappy sql |
| 21:59.18 | thebigdog | oh tonight is a good night...im going for sushi |
| 21:59.20 | jsmith | thebigdog: Amen, brother! |
| 21:59.21 | thebigdog | :) |
| 21:59.26 | jsmith | thebigdog: Amen again! |
| 21:59.38 | jsmith | Sushi and clean SQL for all! |
| 21:59.39 | thebigdog | it si not the best sushi...but some is better than none |
| 21:59.54 | thebigdog | jsmith ^5 |
| 22:02.05 | Lone_Wanderer | thebigdog: Is there any licensing on this function or can I use it however I want? |
| 22:02.31 | thebigdog | you have the bigdog license |
| 22:02.42 | Lone_Wanderer | What's that? :p |
| 22:02.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm just wondering if I can add it to our company's library of code to be reused in the future. |
| 22:02.57 | thebigdog | you can hack it to high heaven |
| 22:02.59 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 22:03.15 | thebigdog | just give me some credit is all |
| 22:03.20 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 22:03.24 | thebigdog | it is one i wrote and have used for years is all |
| 22:03.25 | Lone_Wanderer | What's your real name? I'll put it in the header. |
| 22:03.27 | Lone_Wanderer | np |
| 22:03.35 | thebigdog | thebigdog = Ray Hunter |
| 22:03.46 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 22:03.56 | thebigdog | alias thebigdog = "Frank Black" => "Ray Hunter" |
| 22:04.02 | Utah_Dave | bradym: that worked perfectly. thanks. |
| 22:04.13 | Utah_Dave | I should have noticed that in the docs |
| 22:04.24 | thebigdog | jsmith, only talks when there is sushi or sql happening |
| 22:04.50 | bradym | np Utah_Dave, glad it worked for you |
| 22:05.13 | jsmith | thebigdog: Naw... I'm just super busy |
| 22:05.22 | jsmith | thebigdog: I talk to Utah_Dave from time to time too... |
| 22:05.24 | thebigdog | oh is that we call it today |
| 22:05.47 | thebigdog | ~jealous thebigdog |
| 22:06.44 | jsmith | ~share thebigdog |
| 22:07.00 | Utah_Dave | but maybe not all in the same meal |
| 22:07.02 | jsmith | Next time I'm in Utah, we'll have a giant taco/sushi/soda party |
| 22:07.12 | thebigdog | nice |
| 22:07.53 | Lone_Wanderer | This function was written by Ray Hunter of UPHPU fame. It has been licensed for use and modification by Code Greene and anyone else who comes across it, provided that this header remain intact. |
| 22:07.55 | Lone_Wanderer | How's that? |
| 22:08.27 | thebigdog | haha...greawt |
| 22:11.01 | Lone_Wanderer | "provided that this header remain intact, including the following line:\n // --thebigdog is a really sexy guy-- // |
| 22:15.03 | thebigdog | that is super hot |
| 22:15.42 | beandog | hawt |
| 22:15.45 | beandog | night all |
| 22:15.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh snap, now I need to... |
| 22:15.58 | Lone_Wanderer | how do I access something from the opening window? |
| 22:16.56 | thebigdog | through dom |
| 22:17.15 | Lone_Wanderer | is it opener.getElementById? |
| 22:20.58 | thebigdog | ok so you want to access the newly opened window |
| 22:21.12 | thebigdog | from the parent? |
| 22:21.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Within the newly opened window, I have to access a field in the opening window. |
| 22:21.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually... no. |
| 22:21.35 | thebigdog | window.opener |
| 22:21.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll just do it the slightly more complicated but ultimately easier way, so I don't have to mess with ajax. |
| 22:21.42 | Lone_Wanderer | afk 1 sec |
| 22:31.16 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart incompetent secretaries |
| 22:31.16 | jbot | overclocks incompetent secretaries until incompetent secretaries burns out |
| 22:32.05 | Lone_Wanderer | "No you have to come in and sign it in person." "Can I send a notarized copy?" "No, it has to be in person." "Are you sure? Because I'm pretty sure that having it notarized is just as good..." SIGH... "Hold on, I'll check..." |
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| 22:32.20 | thebigdog | hahaha |
| 22:33.42 | Utah_Dave | is that a CodeGreene secretary? |
| 22:33.46 | Lone_Wanderer | This doctor, and his whole outfit, is SO incompetent. |
| 22:33.49 | Lone_Wanderer | lol no |
| 22:33.54 | Lone_Wanderer | It's my family doctor in Provo. |
| 22:34.11 | Lone_Wanderer | He killed my grandmother and has put off doing serious investigation into my dad's shoulder for a couple years now. |
| 22:34.30 | Lone_Wanderer | He finally ordered an MRI on it and it turns out that the muscles are all torn to hell. It's amazing that it's still functioning. |
| 22:34.53 | Lone_Wanderer | muscles, tendons, everything are all just falling apart. so now instead of catching it two years ago when they could have maybe done something, he gets to go have surgery. |
| 22:35.19 | Lone_Wanderer | But the dr. was my dad's missionary companion so he sticks with him. Also he'll subscribe anything my dad asks for. |
| 22:35.43 | thebigdog | i thought that dr. is in jail now |
| 22:35.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Nah. |
| 22:35.55 | thebigdog | oh wait...that is murry...my bat |
| 22:36.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, my dad doesn't really ask for anything that he doesn't actually need. |
| 22:36.29 | Lone_Wanderer | But, he usually overshoots the mark a little bit. Like instead of just taking ibuprofen as a muscle relaxant, he'll take some valium. |
| 22:40.48 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, did you get your question answered? |
| 22:42.37 | Lone_Wanderer | thebigdog: Ermm. I don't recall what it was. But probably, yes. |
| 22:42.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Basically I've got this form where you enter your zip code and click "check eligibility" |
| 22:42.57 | thebigdog | how to access the parent window from an opened window |
| 22:43.16 | Lone_Wanderer | and when you click that button, it's got to open a popup and pass the number in the zip code field to the opening window |
| 22:43.33 | Lone_Wanderer | probably through the URL, but that means that the URL has to be modified when they click the button |
| 22:44.05 | thebigdog | yeah that is how you can pass params to the window |
| 22:44.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I was thinking of trying to access the zip code from the parent window, but then I'd have to create an ajax request to validate the zip code, because it wouldn't run until the page loads. |
| 22:44.41 | thebigdog | let me know if you have any issues..i do a lot of what you are doing now |
| 22:44.46 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 22:45.00 | Lone_Wanderer | it doesn't look like this code allows for passing parameters to the parent window... |
| 22:45.22 | thebigdog | you mean to the opening window? |
| 22:45.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Could I write a function that I pass to the window opening code, that gets run before the window opens, with the output of the function being appended to the URL? |
| 22:45.32 | thebigdog | the url should have it on it when you pass to the method |
| 22:45.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Well that's the problem, I don't know how to get the zip code to attach it to the URL |
| 22:46.01 | Lone_Wanderer | at the time when they click the button |
| 22:46.14 | thebigdog | javascript modify that url |
| 22:46.14 | Lone_Wanderer | without having another function run that grabs the value of that field |
| 22:46.31 | thebigdog | yeah and have that function call the window open one |
| 22:46.59 | thebigdog | then you can add some additional logic if you need to before the opener is called |
| 22:47.56 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 22:55.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Hrmm. Is it possible to set default values for function parameters? |
| 22:55.22 | thebigdog | in js? |
| 22:55.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I ask only because you're doing it in a somewhat roundabout way. Yeah. |
| 22:56.00 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 22:56.02 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 22:56.53 | thebigdog | but it is ugly |
| 22:57.03 | Lone_Wanderer | d'oh |
| 22:57.11 | thebigdog | it is not like the php way |
| 22:57.16 | Lone_Wanderer | So I can't just do function foo (x, y = 100)? |
| 22:57.33 | thebigdog | let me double check |
| 22:57.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Have to do it the way you've got it, in the body of the code? |
| 22:57.59 | thebigdog | pretty much |
| 22:58.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Marvelous. Oh well. |
| 22:58.26 | thebigdog | http://www.cherny.com/webdev/60/javascript-function-arguments-default-values-passing-objects-and-overloading |
| 22:58.42 | Lone_Wanderer | At least it's a clean way of doing something messy. |
| 22:58.48 | thebigdog | y |
| 22:59.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is kind of my impression of JavaScript as a whole. |
| 22:59.26 | Lone_Wanderer | It's a big, ugly mess, but hey! Lambda calculus! Everything's an object! |
| 23:00.01 | thebigdog | haha |
| 23:01.28 | thebigdog | man some people really piss me off |
| 23:01.41 | Lone_Wanderer | What'd they do? |
| 23:01.58 | thebigdog | we create reports in my app using jasper...killer report builder |
| 23:02.12 | thebigdog | so i tell our jr guy how to do it and he doesnt follow anything i tell him |
| 23:02.21 | thebigdog | so now i have to go back and redo it |
| 23:02.22 | Lone_Wanderer | d'oh |
| 23:02.26 | thebigdog | cause it is all crap |
| 23:02.26 | Lone_Wanderer | black mark time |
| 23:02.30 | Lone_Wanderer | :( |
| 23:02.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Did he at least use Jasper? |
| 23:02.41 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 23:02.48 | thebigdog | jasper will query your db for you |
| 23:03.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I see where this is going... |
| 23:03.06 | thebigdog | so i told him instead of doing some huge query to create a view |
| 23:03.10 | thebigdog | then jasper can query the view |
| 23:03.18 | thebigdog | and he did not do it |
| 23:03.31 | Lone_Wanderer | You're using Postgres? |
| 23:03.35 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 23:03.37 | Lone_Wanderer | nice |
| 23:03.51 | thebigdog | cause jasper will make changes on the data types |
| 23:04.01 | thebigdog | so all the reports he wrote do not run |
| 23:04.06 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 23:04.09 | Lone_Wanderer | ugh |
| 23:04.11 | thebigdog | so now i got to debug his "sh**" |
| 23:04.25 | timinator | sucky |
| 23:04.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, if you can't fire him, I am available for contract "wet work" at a very reasonable rate. |
| 23:04.43 | thebigdog | do you know java? |
| 23:05.35 | Lone_Wanderer | no |
| 23:05.35 | thebigdog | actually with jasper you dont really need to know too much java |
| 23:05.46 | thebigdog | u just need to follow the gui is all |
| 23:05.47 | Lone_Wanderer | (Attention FBI: I'm just kidding! I'm not really an assassin for hire!) |
| 23:05.47 | Lone_Wanderer | nice |
| 23:05.49 | thebigdog | lol |
| 23:06.19 | thebigdog | lol |
| 23:06.21 | thebigdog | there not that bad |
| 23:06.33 | thebigdog | they just call everyone you have ever known |
| 23:07.08 | thebigdog | what was cool for me is that my pops has a top secret so most of mine was done |
| 23:07.28 | Utah_Dave | they sure do. During my background check they sent an investigator to a farm way out in the boonies in the middle of Washington State to verify that I had worked there for a summer |
| 23:07.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Utah_Dave: Can you tell me what getting a "secret" level security clearance involves, or is the process of getting one something you can't talk about? |
| 23:07.51 | Utah_Dave | it's mostly a pain in the butt |
| 23:07.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Great. |
| 23:07.55 | Utah_Dave | and takes forever. |
| 23:08.01 | thebigdog | 18 months |
| 23:08.05 | thebigdog | is what is takes now |
| 23:08.08 | Lone_Wanderer | seriously? |
| 23:08.16 | Utah_Dave | They could do it in 2 weeks, but takes 6 months to 2 years depending on who it is |
| 23:08.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm going to be done with training by then. |
| 23:08.22 | thebigdog | yeah that is after you fill out the paper work |
| 23:08.25 | Utah_Dave | military training? |
| 23:08.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 23:08.34 | Lone_Wanderer | My MOS requires a Secret level clearance. |
| 23:08.39 | Utah_Dave | they'll give you an interim clearance probably |
| 23:08.42 | thebigdog | that will be faster |
| 23:08.45 | Lone_Wanderer | And I'm nervous about being put under that kind of a microscope. |
| 23:08.48 | Utah_Dave | what MOS are you getting? |
| 23:08.51 | Lone_Wanderer | 15 P |
| 23:08.56 | Utah_Dave | Secret clearance isn't bad |
| 23:08.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Aviation operations specialist. |
| 23:09.06 | Utah_Dave | Top Secret is where they get real anal |
| 23:09.13 | thebigdog | yeah that one sucks |
| 23:09.16 | Lone_Wanderer | If I understand correctly it just involves making flight plans and things. Filing paperwork. |
| 23:09.27 | Lone_Wanderer | But it probably involves knowing in advance about combat operations and things. |
| 23:09.28 | Utah_Dave | I wouldn't worry too much about it Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:09.31 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 23:09.39 | Lone_Wanderer | One question... |
| 23:09.49 | Lone_Wanderer | may I PM you? |
| 23:09.58 | Utah_Dave | Secret is mostly a police background check and verifying some of your addresses and interviewing a few neighbors |
| 23:10.03 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer: sure |
| 23:22.37 | timinator | I'm out... later guys |
| 23:23.47 | Lone_Wanderer | later |
| 23:33.05 | Utah_Dave | later |
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| 23:37.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Wow. That turned out to be a royal pain. |
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