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| 15:02.04 | jsmith | ~praise firebug |
| 15:02.13 | jbot | All hail firebug! |
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| 15:23.27 | PoeticIntensity | ~woot PoeticIntensity |
| 15:23.43 | PoeticIntensity | :-( |
| 15:23.49 | PoeticIntensity | no jbot lovin' today. |
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| 15:42.35 | mgeary | great stuff |
| 15:42.59 | wps | :) |
| 15:43.16 | mgeary | never heard of him |
| 15:43.26 | wps | oh… Craig David is awesome |
| 15:43.55 | wps | (although that particular song is a little odd) |
| 15:44.26 | wps | he does a sting cover/duet that rocks |
| 15:46.56 | wps | http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=214982505&s=143441 |
| 15:47.09 | wps | I'd recommend Rise and Fall |
| 15:47.24 | wps | You Don't Miss Your Water and World Filled With Love |
| 15:47.58 | PoeticIntensity | how do you do the neat colors? |
| 15:48.10 | mgeary | are you on a mac? |
| 15:48.15 | mgeary | type in "/itunes" |
| 15:48.18 | PoeticIntensity | I am not :-( |
| 15:48.22 | mgeary | well then |
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| 15:48.40 | mgeary | who isn't? |
| 15:48.46 | PoeticIntensity | sadly, I'm not too terribly impressed with iTunes. |
| 15:48.50 | fungus | Mac != DRM |
| 15:48.57 | mgeary | i think they're doing more than about anyone else |
| 15:49.12 | PoeticIntensity | please help me understand how iTunes is anti-DRM....? |
| 15:49.16 | PoeticIntensity | maybe I'm missing something. |
| 15:49.18 | mgeary | not to say i'm completely drunk on the kool-aid, but i don't see *any*one else doing anything useful |
| 15:49.29 | mgeary | iTunes now let's you pay a bit more and get songs with NO DRM |
| 15:49.30 | PoeticIntensity | I don't follow. |
| 15:49.38 | fungus | Soon, much of the iTunes library will be DRM free |
| 15:49.54 | PoeticIntensity | how about syncing an ipod with any computer anywhere? |
| 15:50.02 | mgeary | that's not DRM |
| 15:50.11 | PoeticIntensity | I guess I don't understand DRM, then. |
| 15:50.15 | mgeary | you can get songs OFF your ipod |
| 15:50.22 | mgeary | and you can convert those songs to mp3 |
| 15:50.32 | mgeary | so the songs themselves aren't really kept from you, the purchaser |
| 15:50.57 | mgeary | as far as an iPod only wanting to synch to iTunes, well, that's just Apple looking out for Apple |
| 15:51.00 | PoeticIntensity | I really don't wanna start any semblance of a flame-war here... |
| 15:51.03 | mgeary | but i wouldn't call it DRM |
| 15:51.04 | mgeary | heh |
| 15:51.10 | mgeary | nah |
| 15:51.15 | mgeary | we've been down that road |
| 15:51.19 | PoeticIntensity | here's why I have such a bad taste in my mouth for ipod: |
| 15:51.37 | PoeticIntensity | My sister-in-law comes to my house for Christmas. She gets an iPod nano. |
| 15:51.41 | mgeary | well, jeeze PoeticIntensity, you don't suck on it |
| 15:51.53 | mgeary | that's your first problem |
| 15:52.03 | PoeticIntensity | we decide to rip her entire collection of CDs which she owns to her iPod via my laptop which has a windows partition. |
| 15:52.27 | PoeticIntensity | at this time. |
| 15:52.30 | PoeticIntensity | so.... she goes home. |
| 15:52.33 | PoeticIntensity | and wants to add more CDs. |
| 15:52.37 | wps | yes, iPods are monogamous |
| 15:52.46 | PoeticIntensity | she calls me asking what the heck is wrong with her computer / iPod. |
| 15:52.53 | PoeticIntensity | I do a bit of research, and my jaw drops. |
| 15:53.08 | PoeticIntensity | she now has to go through a bit of hassle to get her iPod set up to her home computer. |
| 15:53.24 | PoeticIntensity | and since she is freakin' computer-stupid, this is next-to-impossible for her. |
| 15:53.30 | PoeticIntensity | and I'm thinking..... Wow. |
| 15:53.32 | PoeticIntensity | that sucks. |
| 15:53.35 | PoeticIntensity | there.... |
| 15:53.37 | PoeticIntensity | that's my story. |
| 15:53.48 | PoeticIntensity | I love my iAudio X5. :) |
| 15:54.01 | mgeary | well, go with what works for you, that's for sure |
| 15:54.06 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
| 15:54.24 | PoeticIntensity | The only thing that gets me ruffled up is the fact that apple is assuming that all people are pirates. |
| 15:54.29 | PoeticIntensity | but... I can't get too ruffled... |
| 15:54.35 | PoeticIntensity | because today - that's the assumption you've gotta make. |
| 15:54.42 | wps | it's not Apple… it's the music industry |
| 15:54.52 | wps | Apple would prefer to not have DRM and to not have any restrictions |
| 15:54.57 | wps | they don't make money on music |
| 15:55.00 | wps | they make money on hardware |
| 15:55.06 | mgeary | heh. PoeticIntensity try the Zune, and then tell me that Apple assumes everyone is a pirate |
| 15:55.07 | PoeticIntensity | I agree about the music industry.... but Apple made the decision to go along with it. |
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| 15:55.15 | PoeticIntensity | I don't care about Zunes. |
| 15:55.20 | PoeticIntensity | I know my X5 makes no assumptions. |
| 15:55.21 | wps | yes… it's better then nothing though |
| 15:55.23 | mgeary | me either, just making a point |
| 15:55.35 | wps | I'd rather have DRM music then have to drive to BestBUy |
| 15:55.42 | mgeary | but, PoeticIntensity your problem is with the iPod, not iTunes |
| 15:55.49 | PoeticIntensity | true. |
| 15:56.07 | PoeticIntensity | wps: whatever suits you. |
| 15:56.18 | PoeticIntensity | I just don't want a device that limits my ability to enjoy my life / music / whatever. |
| 15:56.41 | PoeticIntensity | If I wanna go to my parents house, after buying a CD - and I wanna get the music onto my media player... |
| 15:56.45 | PoeticIntensity | I don't want hassles. |
| 15:56.50 | PoeticIntensity | iPod gives me hassles. |
| 15:56.50 | wps | right… and it doesn't restrict me at all… so it works really well for me (and a significant majority of the population) |
| 15:57.02 | PoeticIntensity | sadly, that's true. |
| 15:57.23 | PoeticIntensity | I also happen to believe that a significant portion of the population goes with whatever marketers tell them. |
| 15:57.33 | PoeticIntensity | honestly. |
| 15:57.44 | PoeticIntensity | if that's good for them, then that's good for them. |
| 15:57.56 | PoeticIntensity | the one experience I had with iPod was quite negative. |
| 15:58.01 | mgeary | topic change: what is the current thinking here on using PNGs so you can get 32-bit graphics? A bit of research indicates that PNGs have been supported for at *least* the last two versions of every major browser out there.... Does anyone have concerns about using PNGs? |
| 15:58.18 | wps | that's only because you tried to use it in a way that it wasn't intended |
| 15:58.21 | wps | that's not Apple's fault |
| 15:58.35 | PoeticIntensity | yup. They told me all about its limitations also. |
| 15:58.51 | PoeticIntensity | made it overly obvious that it can't be synced to anything but the original computer. |
| 15:58.59 | PoeticIntensity | if I would have known that, I wouldn't have gone through the trouble. |
| 15:59.05 | PoeticIntensity | I'm done with this conversation. |
| 15:59.16 | PoeticIntensity | I don't like iPods. You do. I can live with that. |
| 15:59.45 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary - I don't know if IE6-7 supports PNG transparency yet. |
| 15:59.50 | PoeticIntensity | does it? |
| 16:00.03 | wps | 6 doesn't |
| 16:00.04 | mgeary | 7 does with no problems |
| 16:00.07 | wps | 7 does |
| 16:00.09 | mgeary | 6 does with a bit of a hack |
| 16:00.31 | PoeticIntensity | well, that's good to hear! IE7 supports it. |
| 16:00.37 | mgeary | you have to include a js file that sets some browser stuff |
| 16:00.43 | PoeticIntensity | I've seen some pretty amazing things done with the alpha channel of PNGs. |
| 16:01.40 | wps | the web would be an entirely different world today if IE had supported translucent PNGs from the beginning like the rest |
| 16:01.48 | wps | (in my opinion) |
| 16:01.50 | PoeticIntensity | so... if IE 7 supports em', that's definitely good news... |
| 16:01.53 | PoeticIntensity | wps: NO DOUBT. |
| 16:01.54 | PoeticIntensity | man.... |
| 16:02.06 | PoeticIntensity | I did a lot of web-work with PNGS (because I'm a Linux freak, and don't use IE)... |
| 16:02.17 | PoeticIntensity | when I found out IE didn't support em', it just about made me puke. |
| 16:02.38 | PoeticIntensity | I did hear about the js hack, though. |
| 16:02.43 | wps | web developers would build websites more like then do desktop publishing, with translucent layers |
| 16:02.54 | wps | you could stack things up to achieve effects |
| 16:03.06 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
| 16:03.23 | wps | …instead of the the flat, sliced up crap that we are only barely getting out of |
| 16:03.59 | PoeticIntensity | personally... I believe PNGs allow the same revolution to web design that AJAX had with development. |
| 16:04.13 | PoeticIntensity | pretty wicked-sick stuff. |
| 16:04.29 | PoeticIntensity | total paradigm-shift in web design. |
| 16:04.37 | PoeticIntensity | IMO. |
| 16:06.44 | mgeary | it's a good music day |
| 16:11.03 | mgeary | itunes is feeding me pure love :) |
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| 16:11.23 | PoeticIntensity | don't ya just love that? |
| 16:11.29 | PoeticIntensity | When the right songs come at the right time... |
| 16:11.52 | PoeticIntensity | There's got to be a cranial implant that tells your media player what mood you're in. |
| 16:11.57 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 16:12.01 | PoeticIntensity | I'd pay thousands for that. |
| 16:12.02 | mgeary | seriously |
| 16:12.17 | PoeticIntensity | in increments of 39.99 / month. :) |
| 16:12.27 | Ritter | lol |
| 16:20.54 | _psychic_ | anyone know of a command line unzipper that is mac-friendly |
| 16:20.55 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 16:21.06 | mgeary | resource fork friendly? |
| 16:21.07 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:21.16 | mgeary | one sec |
| 16:21.20 | _psychic_ | do tell |
| 16:22.52 | mgeary | okay |
| 16:23.20 | mgeary | ditto -kx your_zip.zip /path/to/output/dir/ |
| 16:23.25 | mgeary | that should do it |
| 16:23.44 | mgeary | _psychic_: are your zips being created by the Finder? |
| 16:23.53 | mgeary | the File->Create Archive option? |
| 16:24.01 | _psychic_ | not necessarily |
| 16:24.28 | mgeary | well, here's a cli zipper that is the counterpoint to what i just sent: |
| 16:24.40 | mgeary | ditto --sequesterRsrc -Xkc /path/to/source <output>.zip |
| 16:25.47 | mgeary | totally |
| 16:25.52 | mgeary | or tacos |
| 16:26.34 | mgeary | we ought to have an "Orem geek mini-lunch" at Taco Bell one o' these days. Especially where it's just up the street from my and _psychic_ |
| 16:27.12 | _psychic_ | I'd be up for that - probably could get a bunch of mediarainians there too |
| 16:27.30 | mgeary | or that place where the mediarainers go, up on 8th north at the mouth of the canyon |
| 16:27.31 | _psychic_ | SUPHPU |
| 16:27.38 | _psychic_ | mamachus |
| 16:27.40 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 16:27.41 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:27.44 | mgeary | that's not bad |
| 16:27.59 | _psychic_ | I'm liking china bowl lately |
| 16:28.00 | _psychic_ | been there? |
| 16:28.05 | mgeary | yeah, it's great |
| 16:28.14 | _psychic_ | Freaking 4.55 for a great lunch |
| 16:28.20 | mgeary | indeed |
| 16:34.10 | beandog | itunes-- |
| 16:34.13 | beandog | :) |
| 16:34.34 | beandog | But then again, I dont like Apple, iTunes, or big ugly media players, or closed source software, so that's not news. |
| 16:36.41 | beandog | and as a matter of transparency, I own an iPod, and I like it. |
| 16:37.40 | mgeary | ~mccarthy beandog itunes |
| 16:37.42 | jbot | ACTION plants beandog in a wooden straight-back chair, shines a 40 megawatt halogen light into beandog's eyes, fills the room with smoldering Castro-Puff cigars, and demands, "do you now, or have you ever supported, endorsed, or otherwise associated with itunes?!?" |
| 16:37.50 | beandog | lol |
| 16:37.51 | beandog | that's great. |
| 16:40.46 | tierra | so my iPod isn't "monogamous" |
| 16:41.23 | tierra | it plays pretty much all sound formats, and I can pull the music off on any computer at any time |
| 16:42.00 | Lone_Wanderer | FYI and FWIW, Steve Jobs has come out with a strongly anti-DRM stance. |
| 16:42.21 | beandog | his personal stance obviously conflicts with his business one. |
| 16:42.24 | Lone_Wanderer | But, he also said (accurately) that they can't get in bed with the RIAA if they demand no DRM up front. |
| 16:42.24 | beandog | I guess wanting $$$ won out. |
| 16:42.49 | beandog | tierra: gah, Ive been meaning to try that ... works well? |
| 16:43.05 | Lone_Wanderer | And, now that iTunes is pretty much the industry giant in selling music online, they're leveraging their position to get the RIAA to play nice, as we've seen with at least one label agreeing to go DRM free. |
| 16:43.31 | beandog | http://www.catenema.com/cat1.html |
| 16:43.45 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog: I think that what they did was sensible and, while in general I hate Macs and wish Steve Jobs would die homeless and alone and with no fans at all, I think it was a good move overall. |
| 16:44.25 | tierra | beandog: for the most part... it has some quirks, like battery life isn't as good as with the original firmware, but it's not horrible |
| 16:44.46 | beandog | well my battery life sucks rocks as it is, so it cant be much worse |
| 16:44.52 | beandog | I wonder if it will work on my nano |
| 16:45.05 | tierra | I don't think nanos are supported |
| 16:45.10 | beandog | buh :@ |
| 16:45.19 | tierra | oh, they are |
| 16:45.22 | tierra | nevermind |
| 16:45.41 | beandog | \o/ |
| 16:45.41 | tierra | just not 2nd gen nanos |
| 16:45.44 | beandog | :@ |
| 16:45.56 | beandog | my life is a roller coaster. |
| 16:46.02 | tierra | hehe |
| 16:46.03 | herlo | beandog: ping |
| 16:46.08 | beandog | herlo: oy |
| 16:46.13 | beandog | herlo: I havent done anything yet |
| 16:47.45 | Lone_Wanderer | "How to lose weight and hair through stress and poor nutrition." |
| 16:48.08 | beandog | "and improve your nintendo scores" |
| 16:48.13 | Lone_Wanderer | That too. |
| 16:49.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I love this song. It's more than an hour long. |
| 16:51.15 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 16:51.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, much better. |
| 16:52.21 | Lone_Wanderer | But, how does my OS know to do that when I type /itunes? |
| 16:52.59 | mgeary | Colloquy knows |
| 16:53.06 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 16:53.34 | mgeary | speaking of which, Colloquy has been screwing up it's display for me lately. lines disappear when (or until) i roll over them. Grr |
| 16:53.36 | mgeary | gonna restart it |
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| 17:00.42 | Lone_Wanderer | weird |
| 17:01.02 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: when you gonna get a linux box? |
| 17:01.14 | Lone_Wanderer | a linux box? oh, here at work? |
| 17:01.25 | Lone_Wanderer | probably never. too much of a pain. |
| 17:01.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got vim now. I'm happy. |
| 17:01.34 | beandog | oh well. |
| 17:01.36 | beandog | vim is good. |
| 17:01.53 | beandog | Im still trying to figure out the backwards whacked keymaps on BSD |
| 17:03.27 | Lone_Wanderer | what do you mean? |
| 17:04.03 | beandog | well you hit the delete key and it makes a ~ |
| 17:04.05 | beandog | drives me insane. |
| 17:04.07 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh, right |
| 17:04.11 | beandog | or in vim, I use the arrow keys and it prints out keys. |
| 17:04.17 | Lone_Wanderer | oh that's weird |
| 17:04.20 | beandog | ~whaleslap stuipd keyboard setup |
| 17:04.43 | jbot | ACTION beats stuipd keyboard setup upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 17:04.59 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: do you know how to fixxor? |
| 17:05.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I do not. The delete -> ~ thing is an old terminal mismatch problem. It used to happen when I telnetted into other boxes. |
| 17:06.21 | Lone_Wanderer | And the term type was off. I don't know about the arrow keys. Also since you're sitting in front of your own machine it seems weird that you'd have problems with the term type being off. Maybe it's something else. |
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| 17:06.54 | beandog | sinc Im sitting in front of my own machine? |
| 17:06.55 | beandog | heh? |
| 17:07.02 | beandog | Im talking about ssh'ing into any BSD box. |
| 17:07.07 | beandog | They all have that issue. |
| 17:07.14 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhhh |
| 17:07.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought you meant on your own desktop machine, 'cause you use BSD here right? |
| 17:07.33 | beandog | buh :@ |
| 17:07.43 | beandog | talk about a case of mistaken identity. :) |
| 17:07.55 | beandog | Gentoo Linux, baby! |
| 17:08.05 | beandog | nothing but. |
| 17:08.10 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh |
| 17:08.30 | Lone_Wanderer | then yeah, check your terminal types |
| 17:08.54 | beandog | hmm, xterm on both. |
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| 17:09.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm stumped then. Sorry. |
| 17:09.38 | tierra | beandog: I've had that issue on some Debian boxes... never fully fixed it, but I remember setting up stuff to help the situation |
| 17:09.55 | beandog | tierra: any idea how to workaround it? its causing me pain. |
| 17:10.44 | tierra | well, I can't help you when you quit |
| 17:10.49 | tierra | giving up already... heh |
| 17:11.14 | tierra | quitter |
| 17:11.25 | Lone_Wanderer | heh |
| 17:11.38 | Lone_Wanderer | the power just went out in our building |
| 17:11.38 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess he's not on a UPS |
| 17:11.41 | tierra | haha |
| 17:11.45 | Lone_Wanderer | (everyone else in here is) |
| 17:12.23 | fungus | Strange, I just had to deal with a power outage in Ogden. |
| 17:12.28 | tierra | brown out, or is it still out? |
| 17:14.23 | *** join/#uphpu beandog (n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog) |
| 17:14.23 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v beandog] by ChanServ |
| 17:14.31 | beandog | meh. |
| 17:14.37 | beandog | tierra: whatd I miss :) |
| 17:14.42 | tierra | 11:09 -!- beandog [n=sdibb@gentoo/developer/beandog] has quit ["Leaving"] |
| 17:14.42 | tierra | 11:10 <+tierra> well, I can't help you when you quit |
| 17:14.42 | tierra | 11:10 <+tierra> giving up already... heh |
| 17:14.43 | tierra | 11:10 <+tierra> quitter |
| 17:14.52 | tierra | hehe |
| 17:15.00 | beandog | :) |
| 17:15.08 | tierra | anyway... |
| 17:15.47 | tierra | I've found on Debian machines that adding this line to your .bashrc fixes Home and End keys: export TERM=linux |
| 17:16.32 | tierra | I still have issues inside of vim though |
| 17:16.38 | beandog | Hmm. |
| 17:16.45 | beandog | gotta get vim working. |
| 17:16.46 | beandog | :( |
| 17:16.55 | tierra | err, nvm, I don't on this box |
| 17:17.09 | tierra | so that must have worked, I must be thinking of Mac OS X |
| 17:17.33 | beandog | tierra: huzzah! That fixed my backspace issues, thanks |
| 17:17.38 | tierra | :) |
| 17:18.16 | beandog | holy cow our version of vim is old. |
| 17:18.18 | beandog | 5.8.8 |
| 17:23.43 | beandog | thanks tierra |
| 17:23.49 | beandog | definately a step in the right direction, woots. |
| 17:23.54 | tierra | np |
| 17:24.09 | beandog | if youve got any more term tips, send em my way |
| 17:24.26 | tierra | yeah, I don't remember what else I changed |
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| 17:55.02 | mindjuju | what's the max filename length in *nix ? |
| 17:55.15 | mgeary | mindjuju: i'd guess 255/256 chars |
| 17:55.24 | fungus | beandog: http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/11/11/FreeBSD_Basics.html |
| 17:55.24 | mgeary | but that's a guess |
| 17:55.54 | fungus | and http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2005/01/13/FreeBSD_Basics.html |
| 17:57.58 | fungus | mindjuju: 255, and if you need more than that you got other problems (in your head). :) |
| 17:58.04 | Lone_Wanderer | mindjuju: I suspect that it depends on the file system. |
| 17:58.47 | Lone_Wanderer | mmmm, Orbital |
| 18:00.03 | fungus | Lone_Wanderer is right, it depends on the fs, but most fs's use 255. |
| 18:00.39 | fungus | Including ext2, ext3, reiserfs, xfs, zfs, ufs1, ufs2, jfs, etc. |
| 18:01.16 | fungus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 18:01.26 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 18:15.08 | beandog | http://www.woot.com/Default.aspx |
| 19:29.35 | thebigdog | afternoon all...whatz up ritter man |
| 19:35.34 | mgeary | yo thebigdog |
| 19:35.47 | thebigdog | hows it going? |
| 19:36.30 | mgeary | not bad. Got to get my user group meeting preso put together for tonight |
| 19:36.44 | mgeary | (http://www.udfug.org/) |
| 19:43.01 | mgeary | y'all oughta come, seein' as how it's php-related |
| 19:43.04 | mgeary | free t-shirts, eh? |
| 19:48.32 | wps | I'd rather have pizza than a t-shirt |
| 19:50.40 | mgeary | ah, but a pizza looks pretty silly on your back |
| 19:51.53 | wps | good point |
| 19:54.57 | mindjuju | though you'd look even sillier eating your shirt |
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| 19:59.50 | Ritter | thebigdog: not too much, how are you? |
| 20:00.35 | thebigdog | not bad...just a crappy day at work is all |
| 20:00.48 | thebigdog | looking forward to perhaps a movie and some wow tonight |
| 20:02.25 | mgeary | thebigdog doesn't have kids |
| 20:02.41 | thebigdog | oh i got 4 of them |
| 20:02.52 | thebigdog | but i put them to bed early |
| 20:02.54 | mgeary | thebigdog is a bad daddy ;) |
| 20:02.54 | thebigdog | then i have fun |
| 20:02.56 | mgeary | aaah |
| 20:03.01 | mgeary | heh |
| 20:12.25 | *** join/#uphpu scott_ (i=scott@crackaddict.com) |
| 20:12.52 | beandog | thebigdog: what movie? |
| 20:14.24 | thebigdog | beandog, i have 3 i need to watch |
| 20:15.33 | thebigdog | curse of the golden flower |
| 20:15.36 | thebigdog | north country |
| 20:15.42 | thebigdog | and the last king of scotland |
| 20:15.47 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:15.49 | beandog | never heard of those |
| 20:16.58 | fungus | The last two are great. |
| 20:17.46 | thebigdog | yeah im excited to watch them |
| 20:21.26 | scott_ | Anyone use CodeIgniter here? |
| 20:21.46 | thebigdog | scott_, we have a couple peps that doo |
| 20:21.54 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave is one that uses it i know of |
| 20:22.03 | thebigdog | ~wake Utah_Dave |
| 20:22.08 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Utah_Dave and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:27.11 | thebigdog | who else here uses codeigniter? |
| 20:27.29 | mgeary | dataw0lf was raving about it a few weeks ago |
| 20:28.00 | mgeary | beandog: tell us why |
| 20:28.08 | beandog | oh, I dont use it. |
| 20:28.10 | beandog | I was just raving. |
| 20:28.12 | mgeary | ahh |
| 20:28.17 | thebigdog | ~rave |
| 20:28.22 | beandog | \o/ |
| 20:31.49 | thebigdog | ~love awk |
| 20:31.52 | jbot | If you love awk so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
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| 20:42.05 | cole_jopli3 | Hey everyone, is the meeting tonight, or was it last night? |
| 20:42.17 | synic | cole_jopli3: /topic |
| 20:42.20 | synic | :) |
| 20:42.35 | cole_jopli3 | the site calendar says last night |
| 20:42.42 | cole_jopli3 | topic says tonight |
| 20:43.32 | thebigdog | it is tonight |
| 20:43.47 | cole_jopli3 | ok, cool, glad I didn't miss it |
| 20:43.51 | cole_jopli3 | see you tonight |
| 20:57.52 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: I use codeigniter |
| 20:58.10 | thebigdog | scott_ was asking about it |
| 20:58.55 | thebigdog | wrote my first firefox search plugin |
| 21:01.57 | scott_ | Utah_Dave: have you ever connected to an ODBC database with it? |
| 21:02.49 | Utah_Dave | Yeah, but mostly the native MySQL |
| 21:02.53 | Utah_Dave | connector |
| 21:03.06 | Utah_Dave | scott_: are you trying to connect to MSSQL? |
| 21:03.12 | scott_ | yeah |
| 21:03.59 | Utah_Dave | setting up CI to use it isn't hard. The hard part is compiling OpenTDS and getting the ODBC connection working to your *nix box |
| 21:04.10 | Utah_Dave | it's tricky |
| 21:04.18 | Utah_Dave | I got it working once, but it was a pain. |
| 21:04.31 | scott_ | I think I did that with freetds and unixODBC |
| 21:04.37 | Utah_Dave | right, |
| 21:04.48 | scott_ | I can run this program isql and it seems to connect fine to the database |
| 21:04.56 | Utah_Dave | then you should be able to use that in CI without any problems |
| 21:04.56 | scott_ | but I'm not sure about the connection array syntax for ODBC |
| 21:05.06 | Utah_Dave | let me take a look |
| 21:06.04 | Utah_Dave | http://codeigniter.com/user_guide/database/configuration.html |
| 21:06.15 | Utah_Dave | I think you just have to choose ODBC in the driver option |
| 21:06.21 | scott_ | I've got that |
| 21:06.30 | Utah_Dave | then give the ODBC database name you use to connect with isql |
| 21:06.41 | scott_ | ok |
| 21:09.04 | scott_ | I think that might have worked. |
| 21:09.38 | Utah_Dave | cool |
| 21:09.54 | scott_ | is there an easy way to dump an array to the page? |
| 21:09.55 | Utah_Dave | it sounds like you had the hard part finished. |
| 21:10.05 | Utah_Dave | print_r($myarray); |
| 21:10.12 | mgeary | var_dump() |
| 21:10.21 | scott_ | yeah, I tried hostname and pass/user, and just odbc name with not pass/user, but not the other combination |
| 21:10.29 | mgeary | var_dump is especially nice if you've got xdebug installed |
| 21:12.59 | beandog | oh? |
| 21:13.31 | mgeary | yeah, it formats the output nicely |
| 21:13.34 | mgeary | colors it, breaks it up |
| 21:13.40 | mgeary | xdebug++ |
| 21:13.53 | mgeary | easy to compile and install, too |
| 21:14.12 | mgeary | the normal output of var_dump() is plain text, so it looks awful in html |
| 21:14.17 | mgeary | xdebug wraps html around it |
| 21:14.35 | mgeary | but that's a minor benefit of xdebug |
| 21:14.40 | _psychic_ | that a firefox extension or something? |
| 21:14.50 | mgeary | php extension |
| 21:14.53 | mgeary | www.xdebug.org |
| 21:15.01 | mgeary | compiles and installs easily |
| 21:15.11 | mgeary | gives you trace file output |
| 21:15.21 | mgeary | memory usage on a line-by-line of execution |
| 21:15.37 | mgeary | input parameters of functions at runtime (in trace) |
| 21:15.49 | mgeary | and full-stack traceback |
| 21:15.56 | _psychic_ | I usually wrap debug output in <pre> using a snippet |
| 21:16.08 | _psychic_ | and cake gives me stack traces :) |
| 21:16.14 | mgeary | i also use a nice class called dBug |
| 21:16.21 | mgeary | for debug output |
| 21:16.32 | mgeary | but it can't "see" protected variables, xdebug can |
| 21:17.30 | _psychic_ | cool |
| 21:20.33 | *** part/#uphpu cole_jopli3 (n=Cole@c-67-172-251-144.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 21:21.16 | thebigdog | got my firefox vim tips search done |
| 21:21.23 | thebigdog | anyone want a copy ping me |
| 21:22.04 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: ping |
| 21:22.18 | thebigdog | msg me your email |
| 21:22.54 | bradym | is there something like mysql's "optimize table" for ms sql? |
| 21:23.21 | Utah_Dave | bradym: format c:\ |
| 21:23.33 | bradym | lol - i wish |
| 21:25.47 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, is the only taker...fine then |
| 21:25.48 | thebigdog | :) |
| 21:29.41 | mindjuju | 3 minutes site intermittancy |
| 21:29.52 | mindjuju | whoops, wrong IM |
| 21:29.57 | thebigdog | mindjuju, ty |
| 21:31.36 | mindjuju | wps, you around? |
| 21:31.42 | wps | yes |
| 21:31.48 | wps | and I'll actually be at the meeting tonight |
| 21:32.06 | mindjuju | help me obi won kenobi, i need your help, i'm on the verge of giving myself a lobotomy |
| 21:32.42 | wps | it's easy |
| 21:32.42 | wps | always go for the pro model |
| 21:32.55 | mindjuju | i've invested countless hours doing a site overhaul, and I've just received the text that i'm suppose to use on the page and it is the worst writting i've seen since Jr. HIgh |
| 21:32.59 | mindjuju | NO JOKE |
| 21:33.08 | wps | yuck |
| 21:33.25 | wps | would they be open to feedback? |
| 21:33.26 | mindjuju | to make matters worse, they want to slap on gaudy pictures on the front page and ruin the pathing i setup |
| 21:33.36 | wps | ug |
| 21:33.56 | wps | I feel your pain |
| 21:34.00 | beandog | bradym: yah, but its in the admin somewhere |
| 21:34.02 | wps | marketing ruins every one of my designs |
| 21:34.13 | beandog | bradym: cant remember where, but its a db maintenance plan option |
| 21:34.17 | mindjuju | well, the marketing director would prolly take it personally, but he doesn't even have college experience for what he does |
| 21:34.31 | mindjuju | the CEO doesn't really care and is approving this tripe left and right |
| 21:34.32 | wps | nice |
| 21:34.52 | mindjuju | part of me wants to rewrite everything and make an alternate solution |
| 21:35.05 | mindjuju | what would you do? |
| 21:35.09 | bradym | beandog: ok.. thanks.. don't have admin access to the db so guess i'm out of luck |
| 21:35.24 | beandog | oh well there are ways to run it in SQL |
| 21:35.35 | beandog | but of course mssql obfuscates it all in favor of using a gui. |
| 21:35.44 | beandog | plus it takes a really long time and locks the database |
| 21:35.47 | beandog | and most of the time crashes it. |
| 21:35.53 | beandog | so, I wouldnt recommend it anyway. |
| 21:36.45 | _psychic_ | http://andrewdupont.net/test/double-dollar/ |
| 21:37.42 | mindjuju | anybody have advice? |
| 21:38.09 | wps | personally, I would tell him/them that the copy is bad |
| 21:38.30 | wps | I don't have reservations about things like that and almost always voice my opinion |
| 21:38.48 | mindjuju | and if they insist that it is representative of what they want? |
| 21:38.54 | scott_ | be diplomatic though |
| 21:38.57 | _psychic_ | any good work environment should foster that communication anyway |
| 21:38.59 | mindjuju | do you just lobotomize yourself and post what they want? |
| 21:39.17 | wps | well, if the business owner insists, then there is nothing you can do (assuming you want to keep your job) |
| 21:39.19 | scott_ | mindjuju: will they notice if you change it? :) |
| 21:39.35 | _psychic_ | If I got the impression my employer would be publishing junk regularly, I would start to look elsewhere for employment |
| 21:39.37 | mindjuju | true |
| 21:40.22 | mindjuju | donuts sound good |
| 21:40.36 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 21:40.51 | mindjuju | on the other hand, i've upgraded my office to Tech Lair |
| 21:41.05 | mindjuju | with my main comp on 3 21" screens |
| 21:41.15 | _psychic_ | geez |
| 21:41.16 | mindjuju | blackened windows, the works |
| 21:41.36 | _psychic_ | ever lose your mouse pointer? |
| 21:41.53 | mindjuju | funny you ask, i just did it last night, and yes, i have been getting dizzy all day |
| 21:42.12 | mindjuju | it's a lot of real estate |
| 21:42.32 | mindjuju | oh, and by the way, this text i'm suppose to put on the site, a whole paragraph is in ALL CAPS |
| 21:42.41 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 21:42.46 | mindjuju | i crap ya'll not |
| 21:42.49 | _psychic_ | its for your company? |
| 21:42.52 | _psychic_ | or a client? |
| 21:42.54 | mindjuju | company |
| 21:42.58 | _psychic_ | ouch |
| 21:43.07 | mgeary | ;) |
| 21:43.17 | _psychic_ | ~buy mgeary donuts |
| 21:43.29 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen donutss for mgeary |
| 21:43.30 | mindjuju | your in Orem, aren't you mgeary? |
| 21:43.30 | mgeary | yep |
| 21:43.44 | mgeary | hey, jbot, do i get a baker's dozen? |
| 21:43.45 | _psychic_ | mgeary: where do you work, again? |
| 21:43.49 | mgeary | Treeline Group |
| 21:44.27 | _psychic_ | not far from here |
| 21:44.31 | mgeary | not at all |
| 22:05.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Would you like to study philosophy? It's about life, existence, purpose, and of course, wisdom itself. |
| 22:05.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Technology! |
| 22:08.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Flexible payment options are available. Why not phone us to find out more? |
| 22:11.35 | bradym | :) |
| 22:49.10 | PoeticIntensity | I have just lost all desire to work today. |
| 22:49.19 | PoeticIntensity | FYI. |
| 22:49.29 | thebigdog | i lose that desire everyday |
| 22:49.29 | beandog | ~desire PoeticIntensity |
| 22:49.42 | PoeticIntensity | ugh, ugh, ugh..... |
| 22:49.44 | PoeticIntensity | hey beandog, I went driving today.... Up around Heber. |
| 22:49.46 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: so go find something to entertain us all |
| 22:49.49 | beandog | Heber? |
| 22:49.50 | PoeticIntensity | from Provo Canyon down I-80. |
| 22:49.50 | beandog | nice. |
| 22:49.54 | beandog | That's a fun drive. |
| 22:49.58 | PoeticIntensity | dude.... that drive is so relaxing. |
| 22:50.02 | beandog | yahp, sure is |
| 22:50.05 | beandog | its a pretty day for it, too. |
| 22:50.15 | PoeticIntensity | it was magnificent up on top. |
| 22:50.33 | PoeticIntensity | I stopped on the side of the road to wait for race..... er.... look at the beautiful scenery. |
| 22:50.50 | PoeticIntensity | no you didn't. |
| 22:50.59 | PoeticIntensity | I'd give you money if you bursted into song. |
| 22:51.08 | beandog | how much? |
| 22:51.20 | PoeticIntensity | Lone_Wanderer, would you mind telling me if you hear song being broken into around the bend? |
| 22:51.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll let you know. |
| 22:51.31 | PoeticIntensity | do it, and you'll find out. |
| 22:51.40 | Lone_Wanderer | But I've got Orbital blasting on my headphones. |
| 22:51.47 | PoeticIntensity | good... .works for me. :) |
| 22:51.56 | beandog | orbital? |
| 22:51.57 | PoeticIntensity | go ahead, beandog, break away. |
| 22:52.01 | Lone_Wanderer | (beandog: get him to name a figure and if it's high enough we can split the cash) |
| 22:52.05 | PoeticIntensity | I'm watching a movie tomorrow. |
| 22:52.10 | Lone_Wanderer | orbital is a techno group |
| 22:52.16 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: sweet. |
| 22:52.17 | PoeticIntensity | my manager is out of the office and I've been super-uber-dooper productive this week. |
| 22:52.22 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: what movie? |
| 22:52.25 | PoeticIntensity | no idea. |
| 22:52.28 | beandog | Ooh, Shrek 3 comes out tomorrow |
| 22:52.30 | PoeticIntensity | let's have a looksie. |
| 22:52.37 | Lone_Wanderer | oh hey, tomorrow is payday |
| 22:52.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I might actually survive until then! Thank you chicken breasts that were on sale a few weeks ago. |
| 22:53.32 | mindjuju | <beavis>Lone_Wanderer said breasts</beavis> |
| 22:53.38 | beandog | heh |
| 22:53.45 | Lone_Wanderer | In the meantime, I need to... I forgot what I need to do. |
| 22:53.46 | beandog | it was only a matter of time. |
| 22:53.52 | beandog | suddenly Ive got an urge to play Duke Nukem |
| 22:53.56 | Lone_Wanderer | It probably had something to do with the fact that I keep forgetting things and getting distracted. |
| 22:54.08 | mindjuju | i love duke nukem |
| 22:54.29 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: wanna play bzflag? |
| 22:55.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh yeah! Well I played Quake when it was a text-based single player RPG! |
| 22:55.17 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
| 22:55.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Only ASCII hadn't been invented so you had to read raw hex from the console |
| 22:55.19 | beandog | I played Wolfenstein 3-D when it was a cardboard box! |
| 22:55.54 | Lone_Wanderer | "03 F2 A4 B9 45" "Ahhh, he got me again!" |
| 22:56.00 | PoeticIntensity | hrm. |
| 22:56.08 | PoeticIntensity | I'll bet bzflag has improved quite a bit.... |
| 22:56.11 | PoeticIntensity | haven't played it in years. |
| 22:56.19 | beandog | how can you improve on bzflag? |
| 22:56.24 | PoeticIntensity | dunno. |
| 22:56.26 | Lone_Wanderer | By playing it with girls, obviously. |
| 22:56.29 | beandog | Hmm. |
| 22:56.31 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer wins. |
| 22:56.32 | PoeticIntensity | I'm sure they've been developing it, though. |
| 22:56.40 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 22:56.49 | beandog | bzflag ... and GIRLS! |
| 22:56.51 | mindjuju | so beandog, did you check out chilly? |
| 22:56.55 | beandog | chilly? |
| 22:56.58 | Lone_Wanderer | She's still in CA, mindjuju. |
| 22:57.03 | mindjuju | ah |
| 22:57.04 | Lone_Wanderer | She'll be back next week I believe. |
| 22:57.18 | beandog | ~weather |
| 22:57.21 | mindjuju | just wondering where we were on the chilly dog thing |
| 22:57.23 | Lone_Wanderer | (And her name is Kristy but if you ever meet her and call her Chilly she'll be thrilled.) |
| 22:57.33 | beandog | ?! |
| 22:57.35 | beandog | chilly? |
| 22:57.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. |
| 22:57.45 | Lone_Wanderer | She's cold all the time. We went over this yesterday. |
| 22:57.48 | mindjuju | you should have her come to the IRC |
| 22:57.54 | beandog | I didnt catch that part |
| 22:57.55 | Lone_Wanderer | She won't. |
| 22:58.05 | PoeticIntensity | why not? |
| 22:58.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, she might. I'll try. But y'all have to be nice. |
| 22:58.12 | PoeticIntensity | of course!@ |
| 22:58.16 | mindjuju | we're always nice |
| 22:58.19 | beandog | are we ever not nice? |
| 22:58.22 | beandog | ~melvin mindjuju |
| 22:58.28 | jbot | ACTION pulls mindjuju underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 22:58.28 | PoeticIntensity | 'cep when we talk about iPods. |
| 22:58.31 | mindjuju | well, thebigdog can be a jerk from time to time |
| 22:58.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, the iPods really deserve it. |
| 22:58.38 | mindjuju | ~crackskulls beandog |
| 22:58.40 | jbot | ACTION grabs beandog and scott_ 's heads and slams them together knocking both unconscious. Jbot then turns to mindjuju to see who else needs a wallop. |
| 22:58.40 | beandog | thebigdog has nothing but love |
| 22:58.44 | mindjuju | jk thebigdog |
| 22:58.51 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 22:59.03 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhhh this is such a gorgeous song |
| 22:59.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I need to buy some Orbital CDs. |
| 22:59.10 | PoeticIntensity | tell, tell.. |
| 22:59.15 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, you lie again. |
| 22:59.21 | beandog | youll never know. |
| 22:59.26 | PoeticIntensity | I will... |
| 22:59.30 | PoeticIntensity | I've got ears in your office. |
| 22:59.36 | beandog | hmmph. |
| 22:59.39 | PoeticIntensity | you ain' singin'. |
| 22:59.39 | beandog | ditto. |
| 22:59.41 | thebigdog | mindjuju, sure man sure |
| 22:59.48 | thebigdog | Ritter, you around? |
| 22:59.57 | PoeticIntensity | my box is better than yours, so :-P |
| 23:00.02 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, get that internet bro |
| 23:00.29 | PoeticIntensity | holy hannah... it's 5:00 |
| 23:00.35 | beandog | eek |
| 23:00.46 | beandog | get some work done .. |
| 23:00.55 | PoeticIntensity | I need sugar. |
| 23:01.19 | PoeticIntensity | ~kick beandog |
| 23:01.22 | jbot | ACTION kicks beandog |
| 23:01.29 | beandog | wheres the love? |
| 23:01.29 | PoeticIntensity | Scott will *not* be kicking me, Mr. beandog. |
| 23:01.34 | beandog | see, this is why women never come here. |
| 23:01.38 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart beandog |
| 23:01.38 | jbot | shoots beandog in his sleep |
| 23:01.43 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 23:01.43 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 23:01.47 | PoeticIntensity | YES! |
| 23:01.54 | mindjuju | i think we should form a raiding party and all go to #phpwomen |
| 23:01.54 | beandog | we need to have a ladies night |
| 23:02.11 | beandog | I hang out there all the time |
| 23:02.13 | Lone_Wanderer | thebigdog: I don't have the money to buy a computer to play WoW on, or the time to play it. |
| 23:02.27 | thebigdog | ~pimpslap Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:02.29 | jbot | thebigdog pimpslaps Lone_Wanderer. ouch! |
| 23:02.30 | beandog | plus Blizzard is anti-OSS, so screw them. |
| 23:02.49 | thebigdog | blizzard is only pro $$$$ |
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| 23:02.59 | PoeticIntensity | hip-hop hooray! |
| 23:03.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Wow, that channel is real. |
| 23:03.14 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 23:03.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Of course they are, thebigdog, they're a business. |
| 23:03.16 | PoeticIntensity | you went there, too? |
| 23:03.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 23:03.24 | beandog | nerds. |
| 23:03.24 | thebigdog | well yeah |
| 23:03.37 | mindjuju | while i heard there is going to be a KOTOR mmorpg, i think if i ever get time, it's going to be Eve for me |
| 23:03.38 | PoeticIntensity | we should go and see if they're civil. |
| 23:03.47 | beandog | mindjuju: really? kotor mmo? |
| 23:03.49 | beandog | sweet. |
| 23:03.56 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: what do you care? youre married. |
| 23:03.57 | PoeticIntensity | even *I* knew that, beandog. |
| 23:04.00 | mindjuju | yeah, read that a little while ago |
| 23:04.08 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: you dont even know what kotor stands for! |
| 23:04.08 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, what do you care? You never date? |
| 23:04.18 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: Im saving up for a TV |
| 23:04.21 | PoeticIntensity | ah.... |
| 23:04.34 | mindjuju | actually, there is a new star wars game that looks absolutely stunning |
| 23:04.39 | beandog | there is? |
| 23:04.40 | beandog | what |
| 23:04.42 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 23:05.10 | mindjuju | beandog, let me find the demo video for it, but your going to absolutely freak |
| 23:05.11 | timinator | I'm out guys... later |
| 23:05.11 | mindjuju | you get to be bad and have the full force of the dark side |
| 23:05.18 | beandog | muwahahahahaha |
| 23:05.18 | Lone_Wanderer | later tim |
| 23:05.28 | mindjuju | so in the demo, you see this dark jedi slam a guy into a wall , it's just crazy cool |
| 23:05.31 | beandog | my favorite part of that one jedi game is to get dark side powers, and force squeeze necks and then drop people off of buildings |
| 23:05.32 | mindjuju | k, i'm looking |
| 23:06.05 | Lone_Wanderer | How do they decide whether you're doing bad things or good things? |
| 23:06.22 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: have you ever played kotor 1|2 |
| 23:06.24 | beandog | supah fun. |
| 23:06.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean, are some people "bad", and killing them is good, but others are neutral or good and killing them is bad? |
| 23:06.40 | beandog | If youre bad, you pretty much kill anyone and anything for any reason. |
| 23:06.56 | beandog | you still get to kill a lot of people if youre good |
| 23:06.57 | Lone_Wanderer | I haven't but I've heard of them. I've just thought about creating games where you go good or bad depending on your actions and have decided that it's really difficult to write such a game. |
| 23:06.58 | beandog | just not as many |
| 23:07.01 | mindjuju | oh freak, i found it! it's cool. I'm sending you a page with a youtube vid on it, watch the vid |
| 23:07.05 | mindjuju | http://www.videogamesblogger.com/2006/11/30/lucasarts-reveals-star-wars-game-plans-2-for-2007-beyond-that-knights-of-the-old-republic-battle-front.htm |
| 23:07.07 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: thats what this game is |
| 23:07.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, but how do they encode the morality of the game in such a way that it knows that what you're doing is good or bad? |
| 23:07.37 | beandog | actions |
| 23:07.40 | beandog | just play it, youll see |
| 23:07.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess if it's a single player game it'd be easier. |
| 23:07.48 | beandog | $20 for like 5 star wars games at compusa, or swhatever |
| 23:07.52 | beandog | its a great game. |
| 23:07.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I was thinking of multiplayer games. |
| 23:07.56 | beandog | oh |
| 23:07.57 | beandog | meh. |
| 23:08.01 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 23:08.07 | Lone_Wanderer | we're filling up #phpwomen |
| 23:08.24 | mgeary | hahahaha |
| 23:08.30 | beandog | holy *crap* |
| 23:08.31 | beandog | WOW |
| 23:08.34 | mindjuju | that vid? |
| 23:08.35 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl mgeary |
| 23:08.35 | beandog | oh man! |
| 23:08.39 | beandog | people fall off buildings!! |
| 23:08.41 | beandog | im there :D |
| 23:08.45 | mindjuju | hyeah, that's FREAKIN' awesome |
| 23:09.14 | beandog | oh man that guy got hammered |
| 23:09.23 | beandog | muwahahahahhaha |
| 23:09.24 | mindjuju | the one that gets slammed into the wall |
| 23:09.26 | beandog | yah |
| 23:09.27 | mindjuju | and he's still holding on |
| 23:09.31 | beandog | and then he throws the parts at the TIE |
| 23:09.41 | beandog | Ooh *that* was a classic game, TIE Fighter |
| 23:09.45 | beandog | I wish theyd rez that one. |
| 23:10.17 | beandog | oh man |
| 23:10.21 | beandog | destructible world |
| 23:10.22 | beandog | so cool |
| 23:10.23 | beandog | :D |
| 23:10.33 | Lone_Wanderer | that vid was awesome |
| 23:10.36 | Lone_Wanderer | esp. the troopers talking |
| 23:10.44 | mindjuju | yup |
| 23:10.52 | mindjuju | i think it comes out in a couple of months |
| 23:10.56 | beandog | those have got to be cutscene vidoes though |
| 23:12.24 | mindjuju | i'm hoping that's the game |
| 23:12.24 | mindjuju | well, it's not too hard |
| 23:12.24 | beandog | some of it, I mean. |
| 23:12.24 | mindjuju | biohazard is doing it i think |
| 23:12.24 | beandog | bioware? |
| 23:12.24 | mindjuju | oops, yeah |
| 23:12.25 | mindjuju | i think |
| 23:12.25 | mgeary | bioware++ |
| 23:12.25 | beandog | bioware ftw! |
| 23:12.25 | beandog | best games evah. |
| 23:12.25 | mindjuju | well, battlefront 2 has half that tech already |
| 23:12.25 | mindjuju | empireor lightning and stuff |
| 23:12.25 | beandog | anyone played jade empire? |
| 23:12.25 | beandog | I gotta pick that up still. |
| 23:12.26 | mindjuju | havent' played |
| 23:13.16 | beandog | whats Dragon Age? |
| 23:13.16 | beandog | Ooh |
| 23:13.43 | mindjuju | i'm actually at the end of Deux Ex part 2 |
| 23:13.50 | mindjuju | though haven't played in like 3 weeks |
| 23:14.21 | mindjuju | the one game i want to finish is Metroid Prime, but everytime i get into the cavern with Metroid prime, I get scared and run away like a little girl |
| 23:15.21 | Lone_Wanderer | We should invade #phpc and make UPHPU the Most Famous PHP UG in the WORLD! |
| 23:15.57 | mindjuju | i'm sayin'! i think we should invade! |
| 23:16.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Great, now I have three channels to watch instead of just one. |
| 23:16.37 | thebigdog | yeah it sucks |
| 23:16.38 | beandog | heh |
| 23:16.40 | beandog | thats nothing. |
| 23:16.43 | beandog | noob! |
| 23:16.44 | PoeticIntensity | me too. |
| 23:16.44 | beandog | :) |
| 23:16.49 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart beandog |
| 23:16.49 | jbot | grabs a large, mis-shapened log, with squirrels, and beats beandog until only the nuts remain ... which the squirrels run off with |
| 23:16.53 | beandog | d'oh |
| 23:16.54 | beandog | :C |
| 23:17.03 | PoeticIntensity | ah yeah. |
| 23:17.04 | beandog | ~lart PoeticIntensity for having awful movie taste |
| 23:17.04 | jbot | frags PoeticIntensity with his BFG9000 for having awful movie taste |
| 23:17.12 | PoeticIntensity | niiiiice. |
| 23:18.36 | mgeary | can we invite jbot to phpc? |
| 23:18.49 | thebigdog | no |
| 23:18.54 | thebigdog | you need to be channel op |
| 23:19.01 | mgeary | bummer |
| 23:19.04 | PoeticIntensity | :-\ |
| 23:19.11 | thebigdog | yeah i tried |
| 23:19.14 | mgeary | hah |
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| 23:24.58 | mgeary | meh |
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| 23:38.15 | beandog | sheesh. |
| 23:40.36 | Lone_Wanderer | It's dead here all of a sudden. |
| 23:40.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess that usually happens at 5 though. |
| 23:40.47 | beandog | well its almost 6 now |
| 23:41.26 | Lone_Wanderer | ja |
| 23:44.51 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, how many you have in the office? |
| 23:45.47 | Lone_Wanderer | six |
| 23:45.56 | Lone_Wanderer | missing Mac. We get off of work at 6 here though. |
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