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| 12:58.35 | mindjuju | ~lart good mornings |
| 12:58.36 | jbot | offers good mornings some herring |
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| 13:31.47 | mindjuju | ~seen dataw0lf |
| 13:32.26 | jbot | dataw0lf is currently on #utah (1d 9h 59m 52s) #uphpu (1d 9h 59m 52s), last said: 'yea, he's awesome'. |
| 14:00.42 | timinator | morning all |
| 14:00.55 | jsmith | Morning timinator |
| 14:01.00 | jsmith | Morning all |
| 14:08.20 | mindjuju | morning != good |
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| 14:14.28 | jsmith | mindjuju: Speak for yourself -- I've been up for 5 hours now, and I've already got a ton accomplished this morning! |
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| 14:16.13 | mindjuju | heh |
| 14:16.44 | jsmith | I think that's snappy enough |
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| 15:09.34 | mgeary | mawnin' |
| 15:10.54 | thebigdog | mornin', i think i have the case of the mondays |
| 15:11.41 | mgeary | ~mondays thebigdog |
| 15:11.47 | jbot | ACTION says looks like thebigdog 's got a case of the Mondays |
| 15:11.54 | mgeary | sure enough |
| 15:12.26 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm right there with ya thebigdog |
| 15:12.47 | thebigdog | the weekend was good to me...family, friends and good food...that is the life |
| 15:12.49 | mindjuju | i've reached my RDA of dumb people, and it's just barely 9:15a on Monday |
| 15:12.52 | jsmith | thebigdog: Just call it pre-Tuesday :-) |
| 15:13.03 | thebigdog | oh, i wish... |
| 15:13.29 | thebigdog | funny when you get a bug submitted for your application where they think the update button refreshes the page |
| 15:13.45 | thebigdog | or should refresh the page |
| 15:14.20 | mindjuju | well, it's been going better since I've started flying the jolly roger on my office door saying, "I'm NOT taking visitors today" |
| 15:14.32 | mindjuju | then people know i'm swamped and NOT friendly |
| 15:15.49 | mindjuju | talking about Jolly Roger, have ya'll heard that MS has declared war on OSS ? |
| 15:16.31 | jsmith | That means one thing and one thing only... we've awoken the giant, and the giant is scared |
| 15:16.58 | mindjuju | Here's the article, the essense is that MS is flexing its patents and says that Linux itself infringes on 265 patents |
| 15:16.58 | mindjuju | http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/05/28/100033867/ |
| 15:17.46 | mindjuju | it also mentions this cool thing called OIN and how the OIN consortium has aquired several patents that it could hold MS over, MAD wise |
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| 15:20.45 | jsmith | What, you've never heard of OIN? |
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| 15:20.55 | mindjuju | nope |
| 15:21.29 | timinator | LOL |
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| 15:29.40 | Utah_Dave | ~lart mindjuju |
| 15:29.40 | jbot | wallops mindjuju with a main rotation server that needs rehubbing. It won't take long |
| 15:29.40 | mindjuju | psh |
| 15:29.41 | mindjuju | jbot knows better |
| 15:29.48 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 15:30.14 | mindjuju | ~crackskulls utah_dave |
| 15:30.18 | jbot | ACTION grabs utah_dave and synic 's heads and slams them together knocking both unconscious. Jbot then turns to mindjuju to see who else needs a wallop. |
| 15:33.08 | Utah_Dave | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 15:33.14 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 15:33.55 | Utah_Dave | foiled again! |
| 15:34.17 | mindjuju | ~tunafart airsource of boxfan pointed at Utah_Dave |
| 15:34.19 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to airsource of boxfan pointed at Utah_Dave, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
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| 15:58.48 | mgeary | how's this for being a LOTR nerd. My six-year-old tells me after church yesterday, "dad, we had elevensies in primary! they gave us chocolate" |
| 15:59.28 | _psychic_ | :) |
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| 16:12.20 | jsmith | mgeary: Awesome! |
| 16:12.52 | mgeary | it helps that his primary class starts at 11:00 ;) |
| 16:36.03 | mindjuju | wps, you around? |
| 16:36.13 | wps | yes |
| 16:37.06 | mindjuju | k, quick question, but not sure how much help you'd be able to provide over IRC. I need to do a head transplant on a picture. It's 2 pictures of the same person, but on 2 seperate days |
| 16:37.34 | mindjuju | on 1 day, the lighting is great, but the subject is wearing a crappy blouse, the other day, she's wearing a business suit and the lighting is bad |
| 16:37.52 | wps | yeah, that'd be pretty hard to describe over IRC |
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| 16:40.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Woot. Level 46 in idlerpg. |
| 16:46.58 | mgeary | ~admire Lone_Wanderer |
| 16:47.01 | jbot | ACTION secretly and androgynously wishes it were just like Lone_Wanderer |
| 16:47.10 | mgeary | :) |
| 16:47.34 | Lone_Wanderer | androgynously? |
| 16:48.19 | mindjuju | man, where is beandog? |
| 16:48.24 | mgeary | well, there's been some discussion about the gender of jbot |
| 16:48.43 | mindjuju | he was telling me about spidey 3 and how it was "ok" but he never finished telling me about the spidey dance |
| 16:53.30 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: ahh ok |
| 17:01.55 | timinator | I'm out for a bit guys |
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| 17:23.30 | mgeary | Yaz++ |
| 17:23.51 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm where is the 614 area code? |
| 17:24.04 | Lone_Wanderer | weird, I just got a call from a number that's not in service |
| 17:24.18 | mgeary | what's the #? |
| 17:24.18 | mindjuju | ohio? |
| 17:24.39 | mgeary | was it those bozos pushing a lower mortgage rate? Someone called my *cell* phone for that recently |
| 17:24.40 | mgeary | jerks |
| 17:24.52 | mindjuju | ~wiki area code 614 |
| 17:25.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Weird. |
| 17:25.34 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: Did you threaten them with the Long Arm of the Law? |
| 17:25.44 | mgeary | yes, and *click* they hung up |
| 17:25.53 | mindjuju | yeah, was going to say thought solict on cell illegal |
| 17:26.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I do actually know someone who lives in Ohio. Maybe it was her. |
| 17:26.22 | herlo | mgeary: apparently, there is a law on the books now that allows solicitors to call cell phones too |
| 17:26.41 | mindjuju | bummer |
| 17:26.42 | mgeary | gee, wonder who funded THAT bill |
| 17:26.43 | herlo | its fairly new... |
| 17:26.48 | mindjuju | sup herlo |
| 17:26.54 | herlo | mindjuju: hey |
| 17:26.59 | mindjuju | dag nab Hatch! |
| 17:27.05 | mgeary | "you see, senator, it's really in the consumer's best interest that we make them pay for our sales calls..." |
| 17:27.15 | herlo | mindjuju: he doesn't deserve a capital h |
| 17:27.27 | mindjuju | heh, true that |
| 17:27.49 | herlo | just because most people in utah are drones and vote the guy in doesn't mean he deserves to be there... |
| 17:28.02 | jsmith | You can take the capital out of the hatch, but can't take Hatch out of the capital? |
| 17:28.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Clever. |
| 17:28.12 | herlo | jsmith: thanks |
| 17:28.42 | jsmith | herlo: I'm just glad I'm not represented by him any more. |
| 17:29.11 | mindjuju | well, heck, i'll wrap it up early so we can get to Applebees by 9 |
| 17:29.18 | herlo | jsmith: I'd like that too, but I currently have no living opportunities that I want to pursue outside the state... |
| 17:29.30 | herlo | except that because I travel, I'm never in Utah really anyway |
| 17:29.53 | mindjuju | thebigdog , got any old def lep? |
| 17:30.13 | jsmith | Well, my hope is that Washington, D.C. gets voting rights, so that Utah will get it's extra senator, and hopefully that'll mix things up a bit |
| 17:30.28 | herlo | jsmith: congressman, there are only 2 senators |
| 17:30.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Utah will get an extra senator if DC gets voting rights? |
| 17:30.34 | Lone_Wanderer | congressman* |
| 17:30.41 | jsmith | Yeah, that's what I meant. |
| 17:30.43 | Lone_Wanderer | How does that work? |
| 17:31.15 | herlo | Lone_Wanderer: well, there's this bill somewhere I heard about that if DC gets a congressman, Utah will too... |
| 17:31.18 | jsmith | Well, since DC is highly Democratic, the only way they'll get congressional representation is if the Republicans get another seat too.. |
| 17:31.26 | jsmith | To balance things, you see. |
| 17:31.36 | herlo | yeah, that |
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| 17:31.39 | jsmith | And since Utah arguably got gipped by the last census |
| 17:31.54 | jsmith | It'd be the one to get the extra representative to "offset" DC |
| 17:32.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Is there a set number of Congressmen, and they just kind of get shuffled around from state to state, or do we get more added the more people there are in the US? |
| 17:32.51 | herlo | ~define gypped |
| 17:33.09 | jbot | Use ~dict for definitions. |
| 17:33.09 | mgeary | the latter, Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:33.15 | herlo | ~dict gypped |
| 17:33.29 | jsmith | herlo: You're telling me I can't spell either? |
| 17:33.45 | herlo | jsmith: well, i thought it was jipped for a long time, so no, I am not telling you that |
| 17:33.55 | Lone_Wanderer | It's derived from gypsy, so... |
| 17:33.56 | jsmith | I should have quit while I was ahead... (after the hatch/capital quip) |
| 17:34.15 | mgeary | well with gerrymandering being what it is, i'm not crazy about Utah getting another seat |
| 17:34.19 | herlo | jsmith: you spelled quip correctly |
| 17:34.22 | Lone_Wanderer | As long as we're throwing racial slurs around. |
| 17:34.44 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: I had no idea it was derived from gypsy... I'll stop using it now |
| 17:34.55 | herlo | jsmith: I don't think it matters |
| 17:34.55 | mindjuju | are gypsies a race? |
| 17:35.01 | herlo | haha |
| 17:35.06 | mindjuju | i thought it was a bunch of vagabonds |
| 17:35.27 | herlo | mindjuju: probably was at the beginning, but they probably believe they are like Greeks or something now |
| 17:35.30 | mgeary | gypsies are an ethnic group |
| 17:35.44 | mgeary | the whole concept of "race" is a fuzzy one, i think |
| 17:37.37 | mindjuju | curious |
| 17:39.32 | mgeary | about? |
| 17:40.26 | mindjuju | Gypsies being a race. didn't know. for some reason i thought it was like a traveling group, like nomads, european in descent |
| 17:40.30 | mindjuju | wiki says otherwise |
| 17:40.56 | mgeary | yeah, i vote against "race" and for "ethnic group" |
| 17:41.22 | mgeary | "race" is a very fuzzy concept anyhow |
| 17:41.50 | mindjuju | how so? |
| 17:41.59 | mgeary | well go for it. define race |
| 17:42.09 | mgeary | wikipedia says, "A race is a distinct population of humans distinguished in some way from other humans." |
| 17:42.11 | mgeary | well gett |
| 17:42.16 | mgeary | *gee |
| 17:42.35 | mindjuju | race is race as in race; but not race as in racey |
| 17:42.35 | mgeary | so that means that brown-haired people are a race, eh? |
| 17:42.51 | mindjuju | grouping noun |
| 17:43.28 | mindjuju | brunettes a race? |
| 17:43.42 | mgeary | by that definition, why not? |
| 17:43.49 | mgeary | that's my point. it's arbitrary |
| 17:44.24 | mgeary | and what happens when two people from different "races" have kids? has a new race just been invented? |
| 17:46.26 | mgeary | "Since the 1940s, some evolutionary scientists have rejected the view of race as a biologically meaningful concept" |
| 17:46.44 | mgeary | "Mainstream scientists have argued that race definitions are imprecise, arbitrary, derived from custom, have many exceptions, have many gradations, and that the numbers of races observed vary according to the culture examined" |
| 17:46.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't think it is, mgeary. Because afaik any human can interbreed with any other human. |
| 17:47.07 | mgeary | right, because we're all one *species" |
| 17:47.08 | mgeary | * |
| 17:47.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Right. |
| 17:47.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Everyone should be like I was when I was seven years old. At least in regards to race and nationality. |
| 17:47.44 | Lone_Wanderer | (Hint: My best friend was Pakistani.) |
| 17:48.06 | mindjuju | well, except for Native Texans. Native Texans are an example of homo superior |
| 17:48.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, right. Of course. |
| 17:48.31 | mindjuju | Where Native Texan = anybody born in Texas |
| 17:48.52 | Lone_Wanderer | And people from Duluth, who are also Homo Superior ;) |
| 17:49.05 | Lone_Wanderer | (Duluth is in northern Minnesota, on the shore of Lake Superior.) |
| 17:49.24 | wps | ~Gordy Ball |
| 17:51.24 | wps | jbot, Gordy Ball is the president of CityMax |
| 17:51.42 | jbot | wps: okay |
| 17:51.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, Minnesotans are clearly superior to Texans, as Texans in their native garb would freeze to death in Minnesota winters. Also, we have Garrison Keillor. |
| 17:51.42 | mindjuju | Texans are obviously wiser than Minnesotans as they don't live where it snows |
| 17:51.42 | mindjuju | snow = overrated |
| 17:52.23 | Lone_Wanderer | They only live down south because they can't cut it up north. |
| 17:52.35 | mindjuju | why would you want to? |
| 17:52.51 | Lone_Wanderer | So we don't have to associate with Texans ;) |
| 17:52.57 | mindjuju | psh |
| 17:53.08 | Lone_Wanderer | (That was the best I could do on short notice.) |
| 17:54.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Probably it's so that we don't have to associate with anyone. Every old Scandinavian man knows that the *real* reason everyone left the Old World and came to Minnesota is so that they could get away from other Scandinavians. |
| 17:55.11 | mindjuju | never known a Scandinavian i didn't like |
| 17:55.20 | mindjuju | course though, not sure i've met a Scandinavian |
| 17:55.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Was there last name *sen or *son? |
| 17:55.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Jensen, Knutsen, Swenson, etc. |
| 17:55.42 | Lone_Wanderer | their* |
| 17:55.48 | mindjuju | oh, yeah, i know several |
| 17:56.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Also if they have a doormat that says "Velkommen!" that's a good sign. |
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| 18:01.33 | mindjuju | sup beandog |
| 18:01.38 | beandog | hola |
| 18:01.47 | mgeary | thebigdog and i are largely scottish, going back to Mary Stewart, queen of Scots, whee |
| 18:01.47 | beandog | I'm so excited for the new Bourne movie. |
| 18:02.09 | mindjuju | so beandog, what can you tell me about the spidey dance |
| 18:02.27 | mindjuju | why would spidey dance? |
| 18:02.34 | beandog | my eyeballs are still reeling from the horror of a bad 70s pimp movie dance scene in the movie. |
| 18:02.53 | mindjuju | 70's pimp movie dance? |
| 18:03.00 | beandog | yes |
| 18:03.03 | beandog | thats how bad it is. |
| 18:03.08 | mindjuju | scary |
| 18:03.47 | mindjuju | maybe i don't want to know |
| 18:03.55 | beandog | This is my advice |
| 18:04.11 | beandog | If you go watch the movie, and you feel like a boring part is coming up, dont be afraid to go outside the theater and take a 15 minute break. |
| 18:04.27 | beandog | Most likely you wont miss anything. |
| 18:04.27 | mindjuju | oh, that's sad |
| 18:04.38 | mgeary | beandog: really? all those bad guys, and the black suit and everything |
| 18:05.10 | mgeary | and it's still boring |
| 18:05.35 | beandog | him trying to be a "bad boy" was just so bad I was embarrased to even watch it. |
| 18:06.08 | beandog | anyway, ill have to write up a review later |
| 18:09.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Does anyone know of a way, using the HTTP protocol, to make your browser download multiple files all in a row without having the user click a link for each new file? |
| 18:10.24 | mgeary | i wish. |
| 18:10.28 | mgeary | not without zipping them |
| 18:10.30 | mgeary | afaik |
| 18:10.31 | mindjuju | could be dangerous to do so |
| 18:10.50 | mindjuju | for the client browser / client computer that is |
| 18:11.17 | Lone_Wanderer | This is a continuation of the earlier zip fiasco. |
| 18:11.35 | Lone_Wanderer | The one where the client wanted a zip file of people's songs so they could download them all at once. |
| 18:11.37 | beandog | Hmm |
| 18:12.03 | Lone_Wanderer | And I said "Okay fine but it's going to be a huge file." And they said "Do it anyway." And I did and they said (whining) "The files are really big!" |
| 18:12.08 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:12.13 | mgeary | beandog: that's novel |
| 18:12.16 | Lone_Wanderer | They're breeaaaakiiiing |
| 18:12.24 | beandog | that or frames. |
| 18:12.25 | mgeary | or even an iframe |
| 18:12.28 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:12.30 | Lone_Wanderer | And I said, yeah, I told you they'd be big. And they said "Make it work anyway." |
| 18:12.35 | beandog | Cant you use header() to use send more than one file at a time? |
| 18:12.37 | mgeary | nope |
| 18:12.38 | Lone_Wanderer | And I said "There really isn't a good way to do that." |
| 18:12.44 | beandog | okay, didnt think so. |
| 18:12.46 | mgeary | but it's still hard to know when a file is done downloading |
| 18:13.17 | mgeary | there's no opportunity on the server to say, "okay, that's done, now do something else" |
| 18:13.21 | Lone_Wanderer | And The Boss said "Well, we'll just keep looking anyway." And I said "Yeah, you don't need to keep looking, I can pretty much just tell you." |
| 18:13.44 | beandog | mgeary: yah, its so dependent on connection issues, really (speed, mostly) |
| 18:13.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Remind me again, quick like, how do I make js open a popup window? |
| 18:14.01 | mgeary | and upon the browser not aborting |
| 18:14.05 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: my other idea would be to look at using some third-party download manager that they support. |
| 18:14.12 | beandog | Browsers are just not designed to handle the task very well. |
| 18:14.21 | beandog | Well, the protcol isn't, that is. |
| 18:14.25 | beandog | whatever. |
| 18:14.28 | beandog | you know what I mean. |
| 18:14.28 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: you could use Flash... |
| 18:14.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I basically said, to Abish, "They either need to download a program to do it, or just deal with clicking the links." And she said "Well, we'll just keep checking to see if there are other options." |
| 18:14.54 | beandog | heh |
| 18:15.21 | Lone_Wanderer | And I was like "no seriously, there is no other option" and she just kept saying, basically, "There is, you just don't know what the other options are, so I'll find out and then tell you what to do." |
| 18:15.47 | beandog | third-party program is probably gonna be the best way to go |
| 18:15.52 | beandog | If they are really serious about it. |
| 18:16.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too. |
| 18:16.11 | beandog | Otherwise, who cares? |
| 18:16.13 | beandog | just click the link 10 times. |
| 18:16.17 | beandog | or 10 links once. |
| 18:16.18 | mindjuju | third party download manager just so you don't have to click OK several times? |
| 18:16.18 | beandog | I dunno |
| 18:16.27 | mindjuju | seems like overkill |
| 18:16.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I guess they're competing with iTunes, and iTunes does it for you. |
| 18:16.36 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: see how magnatune.com does it. Im pretty sure they let you download a .ZIP or all 10 files individually. |
| 18:16.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Because (tada) it's a third party program. |
| 18:16.51 | beandog | mindjuju: well, resume download as well is nice. |
| 18:17.05 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: I wonder if theyve ever looked at getting on iTunes at all. |
| 18:17.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, the whole point of their site is that it's not iTunes. |
| 18:17.55 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause they don't have any of their own music, they just distribute music for other people who actually make it |
| 18:18.04 | beandog | ah |
| 18:18.06 | Lone_Wanderer | so if they used iTunes, there'd be no reason for them to exist |
| 18:18.07 | beandog | kinda like cdbaby |
| 18:18.11 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 18:18.28 | beandog | cdbaby's website is *horrible* btw. breaks half the time. |
| 18:18.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Awesome. |
| 18:18.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe they'll hire us. |
| 18:18.39 | beandog | heh |
| 18:18.40 | beandog | :) |
| 18:18.55 | beandog | That would work. |
| 18:18.58 | beandog | a popup + frames |
| 18:19.03 | Lone_Wanderer | this is for jibe shipley |
| 18:19.06 | beandog | one frame just has a header to send the content |
| 18:19.11 | Lone_Wanderer | I was thinking that we might could use JS to send them the downloads repeatedly |
| 18:19.12 | jsmith | If you want to redo cdbaby's website, I have an inside contact |
| 18:19.18 | beandog | send it once, pops up a download file dialog window |
| 18:19.37 | beandog | refresh, open a new one |
| 18:19.37 | Lone_Wanderer | but, like someone said, there's no good way to tell when a download finishes |
| 18:19.37 | beandog | or |
| 18:19.37 | beandog | you could have 10 frames all at once, 0 height and width, all with urls to the mp3s. |
| 18:19.37 | beandog | that might work. |
| 18:19.49 | beandog | they would *all* download really slow, but it would work. |
| 18:20.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, but I'm trying (no offense) to go with non-retarded options ;) |
| 18:20.31 | beandog | Well you already know with HTTP you've got limited options anyway. |
| 18:20.39 | beandog | That's one of the few ones for "automated" mass downloads. |
| 18:21.00 | jsmith | Make them use your convoluted proprietary download program that crashes! |
| 18:21.01 | beandog | Just tell them to install Star Downloader. |
| 18:21.29 | beandog | or rebrand wget. :) |
| 18:21.40 | Lone_Wanderer | That'd be nice. |
| 18:21.45 | Lone_Wanderer | If it'd only run on Windows. |
| 18:21.52 | beandog | cygwin baby. |
| 18:21.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I bet you could make a python wrapper around wget. |
| 18:21.58 | beandog | http://pages.interlog.com/~tcharron/wgetwin.html |
| 18:22.20 | beandog | looks like theres some binaries already |
| 18:22.44 | beandog | of course you're really going to freak out some people when it pops open a DOS terminal |
| 18:23.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Argh. Why can't there be any simple and easy JS popup tutorials? |
| 18:23.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah that's true. |
| 18:23.21 | Lone_Wanderer | They'll start getting reports that their site has a virus on it. |
| 18:24.06 | beandog | And youll get calls like "My printer stopped working after I downloaded these MP3s with your software. Is that related?" |
| 18:24.13 | Lone_Wanderer | It'd be small and cross-platform. |
| 18:24.16 | beandog | (not kidding) |
| 18:24.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Ha! |
| 18:24.20 | Lone_Wanderer | No, I know. |
| 18:24.36 | Lone_Wanderer | "Did you see any blue smoke escaping? No? Okay, you're still good." |
| 18:24.41 | beandog | heh |
| 18:26.35 | mindjuju | lone_wanderer, what kind of JS pop up, you mean, just show a page, no browser toolbars? |
| 18:26.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
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| 18:28.37 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer, here you go |
| 18:28.38 | mindjuju | <button onClick="window.open('http://www.yahoo.com', 'myPopup', 'width=500, height=500')">!</button> |
| 18:28.52 | mindjuju | lock and load that bad boy and let the good times roll |
| 18:28.53 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 18:29.36 | beandog | yahoo? |
| 18:29.52 | mindjuju | yeah, was scripting for speed and it was the first site i could think of |
| 18:30.05 | beandog | I wonder if altavista is still around. |
| 18:30.13 | mindjuju | yeah, and so is excite |
| 18:30.20 | mindjuju | and askjeeves |
| 18:30.51 | beandog | I always liked altavista. |
| 18:31.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Cool, that works. Now if I could just get the actual flash file itself to work. |
| 18:31.28 | beandog | that's all I used for a long time, until Yahoo became really popular. |
| 18:31.33 | beandog | back in the day. |
| 18:31.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh wait, do I have to do a bunch of fancy HTML crap, or can I just link directly to the swf? |
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| 18:32.02 | mindjuju | you should be able to plug into the swf directly in the URL |
| 18:32.09 | Lone_Wanderer | k that's what I thought |
| 18:33.00 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i dont listen to Def Lep |
| 18:33.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. Weird. When I open the file directly... maybe it's a permissions thing. |
| 18:33.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Yep. |
| 18:33.35 | mindjuju | don't listen to def lep? |
| 18:34.03 | thebigdog | yeah im not much into 80s bands...there are a couple i like though |
| 18:34.08 | thebigdog | but def lep is not one of them |
| 18:34.19 | beandog | 80s bands++ |
| 18:34.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Pink Floyd ftw |
| 18:34.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Although I guess they're older than the 80's innit? |
| 18:35.19 | beandog | bah, I dont have a copy here. |
| 18:36.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone know why an swf (with 755 permissions) wouldn't work when I open it off my server, but will work when I open it from the local filesystem? |
| 18:36.25 | beandog | needs to be 664. |
| 18:36.31 | beandog | er, 644. |
| 18:36.57 | thebigdog | where is the file located? |
| 18:36.59 | beandog | don't need the executable bit. |
| 18:37.02 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 18:37.13 | thebigdog | that wouldnt make it an issue though |
| 18:37.28 | beandog | nope. |
| 18:37.45 | beandog | unless the directory has wrong permissions on it. |
| 18:37.57 | Lone_Wanderer | http://dev.codegreene.com/jibe_shipley/shipley_intro.swf |
| 18:38.45 | Lone_Wanderer | My browser recognizes it as flash, but when I click to play it (I've got the "don't auto-play flash files" plugin) it's just blank. |
| 18:39.03 | beandog | me too |
| 18:39.04 | beandog | weerd. |
| 18:39.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, lovely. |
| 18:39.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Clicking "allow flash from this site" crashes Firefox. |
| 18:39.29 | beandog | heh |
| 18:39.30 | beandog | thats great. |
| 18:40.16 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: you don't want to just link to the swf |
| 18:40.20 | mgeary | i promise |
| 18:40.27 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 18:40.29 | Lone_Wanderer | (why?) |
| 18:40.43 | mgeary | because a swf needs some context that it gets from the HTML |
| 18:40.47 | mgeary | no |
| 18:40.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, okay. Thought so. |
| 18:40.50 | mgeary | use swfobject |
| 18:40.54 | mgeary | easy peasy |
| 18:40.59 | mgeary | and flexible |
| 18:41.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Is... that a tag? |
| 18:41.08 | mgeary | it's a JS library |
| 18:41.11 | mgeary | one sec |
| 18:41.12 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, ok |
| 18:41.21 | Lone_Wanderer | deconcept.com? |
| 18:41.39 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:41.54 | mgeary | just scriptsrc the swfobject.js file |
| 18:42.02 | Lone_Wanderer | lovely, thanks :) |
| 18:42.06 | mgeary | and build a div with an id like "swfholder" |
| 18:42.14 | mgeary | and create an instance of the js object |
| 18:42.20 | mgeary | getting you an example |
| 18:45.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Lovely. |
| 18:47.11 | mgeary | http://dpaste.com/10299/ |
| 18:53.20 | Lone_Wanderer | danke |
| 18:53.35 | mgeary | working? |
| 18:53.38 | mgeary | much better, eh? |
| 18:54.28 | mindjuju | meca leca hi meka hiney ho |
| 18:57.44 | mgeary | MENE, MENE, TEKEL, UPHARSIN |
| 18:58.54 | mindjuju | not a fan of Pee Wee's playhouse, i see |
| 18:59.11 | mgeary | can you place my quote? |
| 18:59.14 | mgeary | without google? |
| 19:00.15 | mindjuju | can't say I can |
| 19:00.33 | mindjuju | what is it?\ |
| 19:00.41 | mgeary | it's what God wrote on the wall to King Balthazar in the book of Daniel |
| 19:04.40 | mindjuju | learn something new every day! |
| 19:05.20 | mgeary | yeah, learning's easy. it's the remembering that's the kick in the pants |
| 19:14.28 | beandog | lol |
| 19:22.07 | mgeary | "Maannndy, You came and you gave without taking...." |
| 19:24.32 | thebigdog | oh maaaannnnnnddddddddyyyyyyyy |
| 19:25.05 | thebigdog | "naked in the cold sun".... |
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| 19:53.06 | mindjuju | ogden rules |
| 20:03.05 | timinator | I'm back |
| 20:03.14 | mindjuju | sup timinator |
| 20:03.14 | timinator | just signed my life away... |
| 20:03.22 | timinator | and all I did was put an offer on a house |
| 20:03.22 | mindjuju | yipes |
| 20:03.25 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:03.37 | mindjuju | what's housing like up there? |
| 20:03.50 | timinator | it's alright |
| 20:03.59 | timinator | depends on what you're looking for |
| 20:04.20 | mindjuju | decent house with 3 ~ 4 rooms, couple of baths and a yard |
| 20:04.24 | mindjuju | and trees |
| 20:04.36 | timinator | 150 ish |
| 20:04.51 | mindjuju | i should pack up the fam and move up there |
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| 20:05.06 | mindjuju | the prices around here are plain nuts |
| 20:05.42 | timinator | I bet |
| 20:06.32 | mindjuju | just no reason for it. I saw an house on the border of being condemend (no joke) selling for over 200k |
| 20:06.58 | timinator | that's crazy |
| 20:07.25 | mgeary | mindjuju: where are you? |
| 20:07.39 | mindjuju | i think half the problem is that EVERYBODY in happy valley has their real estate license. and are looking for the quick flips |
| 20:07.47 | mindjuju | i work in draper, live in Lehi |
| 20:07.52 | mindjuju | just @ the point |
| 20:07.56 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: I agree |
| 20:07.58 | mindjuju | so not even Lehi proper |
| 20:08.13 | Utah_Dave | plus, there's tons of people from California buying up houses to rent |
| 20:08.15 | mindjuju | over by Utah_Dave and across the highway from wps |
| 20:08.48 | mindjuju | ugh, Utah_Dave, that totally describes the townhomes where we live |
| 20:09.43 | mindjuju | the stucco is so bad on most of the units that the HOA is borderline bankrupt and people are still buying them like hot cakes |
| 20:09.47 | mindjuju | don't make no kind of sense! |
| 20:11.25 | wps | amen to everyone and their dog being a realtor |
| 20:16.04 | Lone_Wanderer | With cash. |
| 20:16.18 | mgeary | heh. that's one of the things wrong with America |
| 20:16.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean literally cash. |
| 20:16.30 | mindjuju | cash is wrong with america? |
| 20:16.31 | mgeary | everyone is *sure* that they're some day going to be filthy rich |
| 20:16.49 | mgeary | and as such, everyone supports all kinds of ludicrous legislation favoring the very wealthy |
| 20:16.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Not a cashiers check or anything. I'm going to take out $X00,000 from the bank, in cash, and bring it with me in a briefcase. |
| 20:17.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Handcuffed to my wrist. With several large bodyguards in black suits. |
| 20:17.27 | Lone_Wanderer | And I'm going to wear the geekiest shirt I can find and put a pocket protector in it. |
| 20:17.39 | mindjuju | what about nerd glasses? |
| 20:17.40 | Lone_Wanderer | With birth control glasses. |
| 20:17.47 | mindjuju | yup |
| 20:17.49 | Lone_Wanderer | And fake buck teeth. |
| 20:17.57 | mindjuju | and slicked back ultra greesed hair? |
| 20:18.02 | Lone_Wanderer | And I'll hunch a bit to disguise my manly physique. |
| 20:18.17 | Lone_Wanderer | (cue laughter) |
| 20:18.47 | Lone_Wanderer | So I lost my wallet over the weekend :( |
| 20:18.56 | mindjuju | that's a bummer |
| 20:18.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 20:19.02 | mindjuju | any cash or cards/ |
| 20:19.11 | Lone_Wanderer | About $60 in cash, and all my cards. |
| 20:19.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Two debit cards and a credit card. |
| 20:19.38 | herlo | Lone_Wanderer: once I left my entire wallet at the rental counter for over an hour. Went back and it was still sitting there, never having moved. The girl at the rental counter didn't even notice it there... |
| 20:19.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Huh. |
| 20:19.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm hoping it's at the grocery store I got my mother's day chocolate at. |
| 20:20.28 | Lone_Wanderer | That, I believe, is the last place I spent any money. |
| 20:20.28 | mindjuju | have you checked your bank or had them put your cards on hold? |
| 20:21.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Not yet. I've got two places to check, and if it's not at either of them then I will. |
| 20:21.29 | Lone_Wanderer | And hope I've got enough food to last me until payday. |
| 20:23.04 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: But I *am* going to be fabulously wealthy one day. Just wait and see! |
| 20:23.24 | mgeary | i don't disbelieve you |
| 20:23.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm going to make a rap album about growing up in the 'hood so poor I had to go to school naked |
| 20:23.37 | Lone_Wanderer | and then how I grew up and made millions as a programmer |
| 20:23.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm targeting the "ghetto-to-geek" market. It's kind of niche. |
| 20:23.59 | mindjuju | you got to go to school? I only had a shoe box to sleep in |
| 20:24.28 | Lone_Wanderer | But I still go around in public naked, 'cause I want to stay true to my roots. Which I think is called "keepin' it real, yo". |
| 20:24.40 | mindjuju | and showing up on the Fabulous Life of Mindjuju (hosted by that one guy) |
| 20:25.22 | Lone_Wanderer | That'd be cool. |
| 20:25.22 | mindjuju | robin leech |
| 20:25.22 | mindjuju | that's the guys name |
| 20:25.50 | mindjuju | i'm going to make my millions with the "Jump to conclusions" mat |
| 20:26.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Great Plan! |
| 20:26.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay |
| 20:27.50 | Lone_Wanderer | http://tahiti/jibe_shipley/about_shipley.html |
| 20:27.50 | Lone_Wanderer | err that won't work for you |
| 20:27.51 | Lone_Wanderer | http://dev.codegreene.com/jibe_shipley/about_shipley.html |
| 20:27.51 | Lone_Wanderer | using SWFObject and it's still not working :'( |
| 20:27.51 | mgeary | http://dev.codegreene.com/jibe_shipley/ClearOverAll.swf |
| 20:27.51 | mgeary | 404 |
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| 20:28.12 | mgeary | dude |
| 20:28.13 | mgeary | http://dev.codegreene.com/jibe_shipley/LSI%20and%20Shipley%20Flash%20320x240.flv |
| 20:28.13 | mgeary | 404 |
| 20:28.13 | mindjuju | i get a black box |
| 20:28.13 | mgeary | what's up with spaces in the url |
| 20:28.13 | Lone_Wanderer | wtf? |
| 20:28.40 | Lone_Wanderer | you shouldn't be getting any of those |
| 20:28.49 | mgeary | your SWF is calling up remote files, it seems |
| 20:29.07 | mgeary | put those files in the jibe_shipley directory, just for kicks |
| 20:29.31 | mgeary | 403 forbidden |
| 20:29.42 | mgeary | on ClearAllOver |
| 20:30.25 | mgeary | 404 again |
| 20:30.38 | Lone_Wanderer | on which one? |
| 20:30.42 | mgeary | both |
| 20:30.43 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, it seems to be working |
| 20:30.48 | Lone_Wanderer | reload, I've got them set up |
| 20:33.41 | Lone_Wanderer | So Safari has some magic thing where you can see what's going on? |
| 20:33.50 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: yeah |
| 20:33.56 | mgeary | CMD+OPT+A |
| 20:33.59 | mgeary | it's sooo good |
| 20:34.09 | mgeary | so freakin' useful |
| 20:34.10 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 20:36.44 | mgeary | it, more than anything else, has kept me from going to Firefox. Though Firebug seems pretty compelling |
| 20:37.00 | jsmith | firebug rocks |
| 20:37.11 | jsmith | I used it this morning to solve a problem for my wife |
| 20:37.12 | Lone_Wanderer | <3 firebog |
| 20:37.28 | Lone_Wanderer | jsmith woke up this morning and solved a problem for his wife. |
| 20:37.46 | jsmith | Well, that too |
| 20:37.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Momma always said jsmith'd be the |
| 20:37.57 | Lone_Wanderer | chosen one |
| 20:38.10 | jsmith | Yeah, whatever... |
| 20:38.47 | jsmith | Next thing you know, thebigdog will be singing Barry Manilow again |
| 20:38.54 | mgeary | you mean still |
| 20:41.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, this has gone too far. |
| 20:41.27 | Lone_Wanderer | There is a dog hair on my book that I haven't touched in about three weeks. |
| 20:44.20 | mindjuju | dog hair? |
| 20:46.13 | wps | I've wondered that also, mgeary |
| 20:50.15 | wps | wow: I wouldn't put that pic of myself on my company's website |
| 20:50.15 | wps | http://www.microsoft.com |
| 20:50.45 | mindjuju | oh wow, that's an early one of Bill |
| 20:53.17 | wps | ~billyg |
| 20:59.23 | Lone_Wanderer | mindjuju: yes, I have a dog, and his hair is getting everywhere |
| 21:01.19 | mindjuju | what kind? |
| 21:01.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know. Nobody does. |
| 21:01.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Although several have offered their opinions, both solicited and otherwise. |
| 21:02.03 | mindjuju | curious |
| 21:02.39 | mindjuju | maybe it's el chupacabra ? |
| 21:02.56 | Lone_Wanderer | (Plott hound, australian shepherd, lab, rottweiler, doberman, greyhound, etc.) |
| 21:03.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know what that is, but sure. |
| 21:03.15 | mindjuju | ~wiki chupacabra |
| 21:04.24 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 21:04.31 | Lone_Wanderer | a goat sucker :p |
| 21:04.57 | mindjuju | have you ever left it alone with a goat to see/ |
| 21:05.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I have not. |
| 21:05.41 | Lone_Wanderer | O_O the evidence is overwhelming! He must be el chupacabra! |
| 21:06.16 | mindjuju | this whole time you've been feeding it beggin' strips and doggie bones, and you never knew it's blood lust! |
| 21:07.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, he does like to chase birds and cats. |
| 21:07.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Especially cats. |
| 21:07.53 | mindjuju | maybe it's a chupagatos ? |
| 21:09.21 | herlo | mindjuju: haha |
| 21:09.50 | mgeary | oops |
| 21:09.55 | mgeary | one of the downsides of Wikipedia |
| 21:10.06 | mgeary | check that link above and scroll down to the first line of the "Sightings" paragraph |
| 21:10.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh yeah I've heard of this. |
| 21:10.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently livestock die sometimes, and bugs and things eat their softer tissues |
| 21:11.18 | Lone_Wanderer | and the livestock ends up having certain common characteristics |
| 21:11.31 | Lone_Wanderer | so people started blaming UFO's or other things |
| 21:11.45 | mgeary | i was referring to the 4th word in the paragraph |
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| 21:12.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I saw that too mgeary. |
| 21:12.06 | mgeary | weird |
| 21:12.16 | mgeary | yeah |
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| 21:13.41 | herlo | mgeary: ah, I think someone should fix that |
| 21:14.53 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: yes, they're known as vandals |
| 21:14.55 | mindjuju | yeah, the other day while looking for something about deforestation, i found some stuff somebody had posted about the Pope and alternate lifestyle |
| 21:15.04 | mindjuju | so, i reported it |
| 21:15.24 | mgeary | i'll bet it's paid Microsoft flunkies who are seeking to discredit all things open and free |
| 21:16.16 | Lone_Wanderer | That must be it. |
| 21:16.25 | mindjuju | or that disgruntled dude that left wiki to start a new wikipedia type thing |
| 21:16.32 | mindjuju | though i cant' remember what it was called |
| 21:18.04 | herlo | mindjuju: I didn't think he was disgruntled, but he created Wikipedia right? |
| 21:18.41 | mindjuju | well, the article i read said he wasn't happy and that he was leaving and that also he claimed he was founder, but the other cofounders argued it |
| 21:18.47 | mindjuju | so, who really knows? |
| 21:19.55 | herlo | mindjuju: oh... |
| 21:20.16 | herlo | mindjuju: are you referring to Jimmy Wales? |
| 21:21.31 | mindjuju | uh, err, hmmm... don't remember the name anymore |
| 21:21.45 | mindjuju | but the new wiki was something like citizen-Opedia |
| 21:21.48 | herlo | mindjuju: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales |
| 21:21.49 | mindjuju | or something like that |
| 21:24.29 | herlo | mindjuju: could it be Wikia? |
| 21:24.43 | mindjuju | nope, wasn't that simple |
| 21:24.49 | mindjuju | i'll look it up real quick |
| 21:25.07 | herlo | mindjuju: no worries |
| 21:27.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Fixed it. |
| 21:41.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Who here was it that found me the Dungeon Revealed thing? |
| 21:42.04 | mindjuju | is that a WoW thing? |
| 21:42.10 | mgeary | me |
| 21:42.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I was playing it last night |
| 21:42.32 | mgeary | you still owe me a taco for that |
| 21:42.34 | mgeary | ;) |
| 21:42.45 | Lone_Wanderer | is it supposed to be really hard to get past the second or third dungeon? |
| 21:42.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I keep running into monsters and getting killed :( |
| 21:42.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Even after I got a death blade and stuff. |
| 21:43.06 | mgeary | are you *equipping* the stuff? |
| 21:43.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Of course. |
| 21:43.16 | mgeary | well, it was worth asking |
| 21:43.21 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 21:43.33 | wps | thanks |
| 21:43.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I might just have to learn to hit buttons faster when I fight. |
| 21:43.46 | mgeary | it's turn based |
| 21:43.50 | mgeary | so that's not the problem |
| 21:43.56 | Lone_Wanderer | well, there's a time limit on your turn |
| 21:44.00 | mgeary | well yeah |
| 21:44.05 | mgeary | you could slow down the emulator |
| 21:44.10 | Lone_Wanderer | and I'm super slow getting the "drink potion" thing open |
| 21:44.24 | Lone_Wanderer | ugh, stupid headache time |
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| 22:17.05 | beandog | how the crap do you just dump the schema with mysqldump |
| 22:17.08 | beandog | eeeargh |
| 22:20.24 | beandog | --no-data, -d |
| 22:20.45 | mgeary | --no-data |
| 22:20.46 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:20.47 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:21.18 | beandog | geez. |
| 22:21.20 | beandog | silly mysql. |
| 22:21.46 | beandog | the word schema isn't even in the man page. |
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| 22:43.54 | beandog | now I cant remember how to rename columns. |
| 22:44.35 | thebigdog | alter table |
| 22:45.00 | beandog | Im losing my mind in my old age. |
| 22:45.40 | beandog | ok |
| 22:45.56 | beandog | oh thats right |
| 22:46.01 | beandog | you have to respecify the datatype as well |
| 22:46.04 | beandog | freaking mysql |
| 22:46.05 | beandog | -- |
| 22:46.16 | beandog | wait |
| 22:46.17 | beandog | that cant be right. |
| 22:46.40 | thebigdog | alter table <table> rename <column> <newcolumn> ? |
| 22:47.01 | beandog | no, its giving me a syntax error |
| 22:47.08 | beandog | me |
| 22:47.52 | beandog | pma used alter table .. change |
| 22:55.13 | thebigdog | beandog - alter table <name> change [column] old_name [first|after] new_name |
| 22:55.29 | beandog | yah that didnt work. |
| 22:55.29 | beandog | :T |
| 23:16.21 | timinator | I'm outie.... later guys |
| 23:45.08 | mgeary | yeah, me too. later folks |
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