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| 01:14.15 | mindjuju | skipper |
| 01:14.20 | mindjuju | is that like gilligan and skipper? |
| 01:17.57 | bradym | it's a random nickname i had when i was in high school.. server wasn't letting me on with my regular nick for some reason so i switched it.. |
| 01:18.20 | bradym | random cause there's really no reason for it.. some girl just decided that she wanted to call me skipper.. and it stuck |
| 01:18.54 | mindjuju | oh that power that some women have |
| 01:20.07 | bradym | yup |
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| 15:00.35 | wps | to get the value of a <select> |
| 15:00.45 | wps | with javascript… |
| 15:00.49 | wps | would you use .value ? |
| 15:01.08 | wps | for example, if I have accessed the element by it's ID and assigned it to a var, wouldn't it be |
| 15:01.10 | wps | var.value? |
| 15:02.06 | thebigdog | no |
| 15:04.26 | thebigdog | you have to get the options and find out which one is selected i think |
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| 15:27.49 | wps | hmm, it says that .name is null |
| 15:28.04 | thebigdog | what type of element is it? |
| 15:28.08 | wps | input |
| 15:28.12 | thebigdog | text? |
| 15:28.43 | wps | yes |
| 15:29.33 | thebigdog | pastebin your code? |
| 15:29.41 | wps | ah-hah |
| 15:29.49 | wps | looks like it's ID was a reserved string |
| 15:30.01 | wps | I changed it from "search_field" to "wild_rice_and_monkey_meat" and it works now |
| 15:30.26 | thebigdog | lol |
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| 15:30.53 | wps | to get the source, it's .src , right? |
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| 15:31.05 | thebigdog | no |
| 15:31.06 | wps | oops |
| 15:31.08 | wps | I mean action |
| 15:31.25 | wps | .action |
| 15:31.32 | thebigdog | nope |
| 15:31.41 | wps | that worked |
| 15:31.49 | thebigdog | only form has the action |
| 15:32.00 | wps | yes, I am trying to change the action on a form also |
| 15:32.07 | thebigdog | oh |
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| 16:14.33 | macnewbold | ~seen jbot |
| 16:15.28 | jbot | jbot is currently on #asterisk-doc (55m 38s) #ubuntu-utah (55m 38s) ##t42 (55m 38s) #how (55m 38s) #ol (55m 38s) #flyspray (55m 38s) #asterisk (55m 38s) #byumug (55m 38s) #va (55m 38s) #orkut (55m 38s) #nslu2-linux (55m 38s) ##ducleague (55m 38s) #storm (55m 38s) #uphpu (55m 38s) #aegis (55m 38s) #ipaq ... |
| 16:16.47 | mgeary | jbot is a player |
| 16:20.16 | *** topic/#UPHPU by macnewbold -> Geek Lunch tomorrow (Friday May 11), 1pm at Thai Garden (4410 S 900 E, SLC), RSVP to mindjuju - meeting 17 May on Dojo - free pizza! |
| 16:20.36 | macnewbold | mindjuju: I'm planning on attending the geek lunch tomorrow |
| 16:20.42 | macnewbold | I'll see if anyone else here wants to go |
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| 16:23.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I went to that place earlier this week for dinner. It was indeed very very good. |
| 16:25.01 | mgeary | hey, someone remind me of the Apache directive to force a ServerAlias entry to redirect to the ServerName value |
| 16:25.19 | mgeary | so that mydomain.com goes to www.mydomain.com, for example |
| 16:25.42 | mgeary | seems like it's UseCannonical or something |
| 16:25.58 | Ritter | ServerAlias *.mydomain.com |
| 16:26.09 | mgeary | that doesn't redirect |
| 16:26.19 | Ritter | you need a redirect? |
| 16:26.38 | mgeary | yep |
| 16:27.23 | mgeary | there's some directive that does that |
| 16:27.32 | mgeary | besides using mod_rewrite |
| 16:28.00 | mgeary | ah |
| 16:28.00 | mgeary | UseCanonicalName On |
| 16:28.51 | Ritter | yep, then is uses ServerName |
| 16:28.56 | mgeary | yeah |
| 16:29.02 | mgeary | restarting apache now to verify |
| 16:30.22 | mgeary | hrm |
| 16:31.05 | mgeary | ope |
| 16:31.06 | mgeary | nope |
| 16:31.35 | mgeary | i've done this before. dang it |
| 16:31.53 | Ritter | I think you want it off |
| 16:31.56 | macnewbold | usecanonicalname just refers to the default error pages etc. that apache prints out |
| 16:32.04 | Ritter | "With UseCanonicalName Off Apache will form self-referential URLs using the hostname" |
| 16:32.06 | macnewbold | none of the apache directives do auto-redirecting |
| 16:32.15 | mgeary | are you sure? |
| 16:32.18 | macnewbold | pretty |
| 16:32.20 | macnewbold | sure |
| 16:32.24 | macnewbold | we always do it with php, |
| 16:32.30 | macnewbold | and we have usecanonicalname on |
| 16:32.48 | macnewbold | all I've ever seen it do is use www.foobar.com in a 404 page, even if you access http://foobar.com/ without the www |
| 16:33.32 | Ritter | yeah, I dunno for certain, I always do it in php too |
| 16:33.50 | Ritter | header("Location: etc"); exit; |
| 16:34.06 | bradym | you could also do a redirect in your virtualhost config |
| 16:34.25 | mgeary | bradym: using what? mod_rewrite? |
| 16:34.26 | macnewbold | yeah |
| 16:34.26 | Ritter | with mod_rewrite? |
| 16:34.27 | macnewbold | that works |
| 16:34.46 | macnewbold | I don't think mod_rewrite will redirect the browser though - it just changes what URL calls what file/URL on the server |
| 16:34.49 | macnewbold | it is transparent to the user |
| 16:34.55 | mgeary | you can set it either way |
| 16:34.59 | mgeary | proxy or redirect |
| 16:35.07 | mgeary | i'd just hoped to avoid the overhead of mod_rewrite |
| 16:35.28 | mgeary | not that it's that big, but i want to keep things simple |
| 16:35.29 | bradym | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_alias.html#redirect |
| 16:35.32 | macnewbold | we just put in a little thing in our php that checks what URL they used, and if it isn't the canonical one, or if they used https and shouldn't have, or used http when it should hvae been secure, then we redirect it appropriately |
| 16:35.35 | bradym | it's mod_alias |
| 16:38.08 | bradym | though i like the approach macnewbold mentions, it gives you more flexibility |
| 16:38.34 | macnewbold | we like it pretty well, been using it for years on lots of sites |
| 16:38.47 | mgeary | naw, this can't be at the php level |
| 16:38.53 | macnewbold | we just set up an array of pages that should use secure mode, and see if the page they are requesting is in the list |
| 16:38.53 | mgeary | not for this particular case |
| 16:39.05 | macnewbold | why not, mgeary? |
| 16:39.11 | macnewbold | (just curious) |
| 16:39.30 | mgeary | 'cause the codebase is running about 150 sites, and this redirect only needs to happen for one client |
| 16:39.47 | mgeary | don't want to check the other 149 gratuitously |
| 16:40.07 | mgeary | at the virtualHost level it keeps the data where it belongs--associated with the client |
| 16:43.14 | macnewbold | ah |
| 16:43.22 | macnewbold | that's a pretty good reason |
| 16:43.45 | macnewbold | we find it isn't a bad thing to do on almost any of our sites |
| 16:49.14 | thebigdog | mgeary cant you do the redirect as a cname for the domain |
| 16:49.45 | mgeary | yeah, but that would mean doing that for 5 domains separately, rather than doing it once in the VirtualHost record |
| 16:50.55 | macnewbold | using a cname though doesn't change what the user sees in the browser, or what the server sees as the incoming host name, it just happens at the dns level when finding the IP address |
| 16:51.01 | mgeary | it seems like there's still something we haven't addressed. It's seems like it's the same sort of thing that auto-adds a trailing slash to your domain, so that when you type "google.com", the server redirects to "google.com/" |
| 16:51.30 | mgeary | i could swear it had to do with the canonicalName stuff. grrr |
| 16:53.06 | macnewbold | the browser does that |
| 16:53.13 | mgeary | hmm |
| 16:53.18 | Ritter | no, apache does |
| 16:53.18 | macnewbold | it shouldn't make any difference on the server side though |
| 16:53.25 | macnewbold | Ritter: I think you're right |
| 16:53.28 | macnewbold | sorry, not the browser |
| 16:53.29 | mgeary | heh |
| 16:53.45 | macnewbold | but AFAIK, there is no way to turn that on or off |
| 16:54.38 | Ritter | there is a way to control what / translates to, but I don't know if there is a way to keep it from happening or redirect based on it |
| 16:55.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Can I stick a p inside of an li? |
| 16:55.16 | Ritter | I think apache is rather dependant on it |
| 16:55.19 | Ritter | Lone_Wanderer: sure |
| 16:55.22 | Lone_Wanderer | yay |
| 16:55.31 | Ritter | not sure why you'd want to |
| 16:56.08 | Ritter | Lone_Wanderer: are you trying to force a break, or some spacing? |
| 16:56.24 | Lone_Wanderer | spacing |
| 16:56.33 | Ritter | cant you use css? |
| 16:56.47 | Lone_Wanderer | It's a legal contract, the li's contain multiple paragraphs |
| 16:57.24 | Ritter | ok, as long as it wasnt menus or similar |
| 16:59.28 | thebigdog | the "/" in apache is handled by a directive |
| 17:00.03 | mgeary | thebigdog: which one? |
| 17:00.05 | thebigdog | mod_dir handles that one |
| 17:00.09 | mgeary | ah |
| 17:00.39 | thebigdog | DirectorySlash is the syntax for it |
| 17:00.57 | thebigdog | it works with mod_autoindex too |
| 17:04.47 | mgeary | alright, i've got a solution |
| 17:05.36 | mgeary | i created 2 virtual hosts, one "real" one, and one "catchall" one. the catchall has aliases to all the addresses that should redirect, and there's a Redirect permanent / http://www.realsite.com directive in the catchall |
| 17:08.10 | macnewbold | very nicely done - that's a great solution |
| 17:08.57 | macnewbold | that does the right thing if someone requests http://fakesite.com/contact.php?var=value, by sending them to http://www.realsite.com/contact.php?var=value, right? |
| 17:09.08 | mgeary | right |
| 17:10.19 | macnewbold | cool |
| 17:10.43 | macnewbold | I wonder what happens if you send post data with that... does it carry over with the redirect? |
| 17:10.52 | mgeary | hmm. i'd suspect not |
| 17:10.57 | mgeary | and frankly, i don't think you'd want it to |
| 17:11.10 | mgeary | i'm trying to imagine a non-malicious scenario where that could happen |
| 17:12.30 | mgeary | i guess you could have Site A posting to Site B, and Site A is somewhat out-of-date and is using the wrong address |
| 17:14.02 | mgeary | but i've never encountered a situation where it made sense to have cross-site posting like that. |
| 17:22.51 | timinator | ~mondays Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:23.12 | jbot | ACTION says looks like Lone_Wanderer 's got a case of the Mondays |
| 17:23.24 | Lone_Wanderer | ~brutallyslay jbot |
| 17:23.35 | timinator | LMAO |
| 17:23.52 | timinator | ~timattack jbot |
| 17:23.54 | jbot | ACTION get's Ash's chainsaw and starts to chase jbot! |
| 17:29.03 | mgeary | not at all |
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| 17:48.41 | mgeary | ~admire jbot recursively |
| 17:48.55 | jbot | ACTION secretly and androgynously wishes it were just like jbot recursively |
| 17:49.25 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: depends whether you'll want to reverse it or not... if not, emacs has an easy way to allcaps it, but the css is slick |
| 17:49.46 | macnewbold | ~Lonnie |
| 17:49.55 | macnewbold | ~seen Lonnie |
| 17:51.58 | jbot | lonnie is currently on #utah #uphpu, last said: 'Nite'. |
| 17:51.58 | macnewbold | it appears that Lonnie == fungus in disguise |
| 17:51.59 | Lone_Wanderer | It's much less painful. |
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| 18:22.30 | bradym | wow.. nice. where from? newegg? |
| 18:23.59 | mgeary | buy.com |
| 18:24.00 | mgeary | but newegg lists it for 127 :/ |
| 18:24.00 | mgeary | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822101031&ATT=17-507-003&CMP=AFC-C8Junction |
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| 18:58.30 | macnewbold | ecost.com has some 250-500GB usb hard drives for about $99 last I chcked, too |
| 18:58.39 | macnewbold | it's cool that prices keep falling and sizes keep growing |
| 19:00.55 | mgeary | you know, it'd be really nice if a non-defined constant resolved to null, rather than to a string of itself |
| 19:01.10 | mgeary | if (NOT_DEFINED_CONST) translates to |
| 19:01.16 | mgeary | if ("NOT_DEFINED_CONST") |
| 19:01.19 | mgeary | which is, of course, true |
| 19:01.20 | mgeary | :/ |
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| 19:05.49 | Lonnie | well hey |
| 19:10.38 | fungus | Lonnie is fungus's alter ego. |
| 19:11.36 | mgeary | is he the Dr. Jekyll? or the Mr. Hyde? |
| 19:11.36 | fungus | Definitely Mr. Hyde. |
| 19:11.37 | fungus | He only comes out when there are network problems. |
| 19:11.53 | mgeary | ~fear Lonnie |
| 19:14.11 | mgeary | ~fear Lonnie |
| 19:14.13 | jbot | ACTION "AAAAAAAAAARRRGH!!" runs screaming away from Lonnie until it smashes into a low-hanging tree branch and lies senseless in a pool of it's own drool |
| 19:14.20 | mgeary | that's better |
| 19:14.23 | fungus | Much |
| 19:30.53 | synic | xilch|w: I vote you should pay attention to your IMs |
| 20:30.17 | synic | mgeary: http://us.php.net/defined |
| 20:36.57 | mgeary | well yeah |
| 20:37.10 | mgeary | but it's a pain to have to check that before using every constant |
| 20:37.53 | tierra | anyone here have any recommendations for how to handle mass email to a list of subscribed addresses besides PEAR::Mail_Queue? ... preferably something I wouldn't have to cron, but also just seeing how everyone else handles it |
| 20:41.07 | synic | we cron... |
| 20:42.35 | synic | mgeary: you could always make sure your constants are defined... such at define('FOO', 0); |
| 20:42.46 | tierra | synic: do you guys use Mail_Queue or some other software for storage and management? |
| 20:43.15 | synic | it's a perl script and mysql |
| 20:43.36 | tierra | btw, once again, a big thanks for the cart scripts, they've saved me so much time today ;) |
| 20:45.26 | mgeary | synic: yeah, that's what i'm doing now |
| 20:45.46 | synic | tierra: hehe :) |
| 20:46.17 | tierra | I'm adding a rather fully functional mailing list manager into it right now |
| 20:54.23 | tierra | I imagine I'll eventually be adding in a support ticket system as well, but that might be a ways away |
| 20:59.28 | wps | thebigdog, here's what I was building with that javascript we were discussing earlier (it just went live): http://www.doba.com/ |
| 20:59.52 | thebigdog | what is it? |
| 20:59.58 | wps | the search box at at the top… toggling between the two items in the drop menu changes where the form submits to |
| 21:00.22 | thebigdog | nice |
| 21:00.48 | jsmith | very nice |
| 21:01.07 | wps | yeah, this will be big for our customers |
| 21:02.24 | jsmith | I'll bet... |
| 21:03.56 | wps | and other big news is fresh content on the home page. It has taken over a year, but we finally have convinced management to make it a priority |
| 21:09.59 | jsmith | Very nice |
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| 21:24.06 | seant23 | anybody know a way to grab the servers mac address other then parsing the ifconfig? |
| 21:24.18 | jsmith | arp? |
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| 21:24.41 | seant23 | arp you can't grab the servers only connected comps |
| 21:26.33 | mgeary | hrm. i've only ever used ifconfig |
| 21:26.59 | jsmith | Looks like ifconfig is probably the easiest way |
| 21:27.31 | seant23 | ya that the current way i got it, looking for less of a jimmy but i guess i'll have to stick with what i got |
| 21:27.40 | mgeary | ifconfig | grep ether |
| 21:28.04 | thebigdog | your dmesg will print it out too |
| 21:34.08 | thebigdog | you could also use ip too |
| 21:37.05 | PoeticIntensity | okay, JS gurus out there. |
| 21:37.15 | PoeticIntensity | I've got a question I don't know how to articulate. :) |
| 21:37.19 | PoeticIntensity | what's the answer? |
| 21:37.24 | PoeticIntensity | no..... |
| 21:37.27 | PoeticIntensity | okay.. that was stupuid. |
| 21:37.43 | PoeticIntensity | While working with AJAX... |
| 21:37.53 | PoeticIntensity | I call a function in a way I've never seen a function be called before. |
| 21:38.08 | PoeticIntensity | It is called without parenthesis at all. |
| 21:38.29 | PoeticIntensity | http.onreadystatechange = handleResponse; |
| 21:38.31 | PoeticIntensity | that's the function call. |
| 21:38.32 | mgeary | no |
| 21:38.37 | mgeary | you're not *calling* the function |
| 21:38.41 | PoeticIntensity | the function name is handleResponse |
| 21:38.41 | PoeticIntensity | no? |
| 21:38.41 | mgeary | you're passing a refrence to it |
| 21:38.44 | mgeary | as a callback |
| 21:39.06 | PoeticIntensity | ok.... this is 100% new to me. |
| 21:39.06 | mgeary | so, in JS, pretty much everything is an object, including functions |
| 21:39.06 | PoeticIntensity | what should I google to search for more? |
| 21:39.11 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 21:39.22 | mgeary | so if you talk to it without parenthens, then you're referencing the *object*, you're not calling the function |
| 21:39.37 | PoeticIntensity | ok... |
| 21:39.41 | mgeary | the way ajax works, when you get a response, it auto-calls a callback function |
| 21:39.52 | mgeary | so in that code, you're telling it what to call when you get your response |
| 21:40.10 | PoeticIntensity | ok... |
| 21:40.11 | mgeary | in this case, function handleResponse() |
| 21:40.11 | PoeticIntensity | right. |
| 21:40.18 | PoeticIntensity | so I can't pass anything to it, can I... |
| 21:40.21 | mgeary | right |
| 21:40.23 | PoeticIntensity | crap. |
| 21:40.28 | mgeary | use Prototype |
| 21:40.43 | mgeary | you can PM be if you want, it's easy |
| 21:40.54 | PoeticIntensity | I remember reading about that about 5 years ago when I learned JS. |
| 21:46.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh my goodness. If I were this company, I would find a man who did *not* epitomize "Fat Cat" to put on my home page. |
| 21:46.36 | Lone_Wanderer | You'd might as well just come out and say "We're in bed with both the mafia AND Congress. You WILL buy our product." |
| 21:53.36 | timinator | <godfather> I'll make him an offer he can't refuse </godfather> |
| 22:10.34 | mgeary | prototype++ |
| 22:10.36 | mgeary | :) |
| 22:38.27 | mgeary | hayfever-- |
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| 23:11.48 | timinator | I'm out |
| 23:11.49 | timinator | later |
| 23:43.34 | mgeary | why dont you just put IFNULL()s in your select and return a custom value? |
| 23:46.26 | tierra | I'm not having problems reading NULL values; PHP assigns the variable as PHP's NULL, so that's fine |
| 23:47.17 | tierra | well, I'm not really sure what the problem is just yet, still debugging |
| 23:47.21 | mgeary | heh |
| 23:51.26 | tierra | found one of my problems... it didn't even have anything to do with the NULL issue, I just thought it did |
| 23:51.50 | mgeary | nice |
| 23:54.35 | tierra | I do have a relatively good reason for allowing NULL in this rare situation, so I would like to do it that way... I could just represent NULL with -1 or something, but it's not really fitting |
| 23:54.50 | mgeary | sure |
| 23:54.54 | tierra | and would require probably even more extra coding than handling NULL |
| 23:55.03 | tierra | at least, with the way I'm doing this |