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| 00:03.41 | PoeticIntensity | chaooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
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| 01:27.28 | herlo | beandog: ping |
| 01:27.36 | beandog | yo |
| 01:27.53 | herlo | pm |
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| 15:50.30 | thebigdog | ~hail thebigdog |
| 15:50.44 | jbot | ACTION bows down to thebigdog and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 15:50.45 | timinator | mawnin' |
| 15:51.06 | timinator | conceited bastard |
| 15:56.04 | thebigdog | ty timinator |
| 15:56.12 | thebigdog | ~praise thebigdog |
| 15:56.21 | jbot | All hail thebigdog! |
| 15:56.32 | timinator | LOL |
| 15:57.16 | mgeary | ~admire timinator |
| 15:57.18 | jbot | ACTION secretly and androgynously wishes it were just like timinator |
| 15:57.27 | timinator | LMAO |
| 15:57.38 | timinator | flattery will get you everywhere |
| 15:59.19 | mgeary | ~flatter timinator |
| 15:59.22 | jbot | ACTION swoons, "oh timinator, your eyes are like limpet pools, your wit... so sharp, your navel... so fuzzy" |
| 15:59.45 | timinator | LOL .... your navel, so fuzzy |
| 15:59.53 | thebigdog | nasty |
| 16:14.14 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> meeting on 17 may - free pizza! |
| 16:15.10 | timinator | free pizza!! |
| 16:16.08 | timinator | who's fitting the bill for that? |
| 16:16.28 | wps | TEK Systems |
| 16:16.38 | timinator | did we start collecting dews for UPHPU? |
| 16:16.40 | timinator | :) |
| 16:16.46 | timinator | what's TEK Systems? |
| 16:17.30 | wps | a local tech company |
| 16:17.46 | wps | suck |
| 16:17.49 | wps | I just took the server done |
| 16:17.54 | wps | s/done/down/ |
| 16:17.58 | wps | frick |
| 16:18.06 | mgeary | ~panic |
| 16:18.09 | jbot | somebody please DO something! |
| 16:18.26 | wps | dang… and it's not just apache |
| 16:18.39 | wps | no ping or ssh |
| 16:18.44 | wps | suck |
| 16:18.52 | mgeary | ah, that's not good |
| 16:18.57 | mgeary | who's the host? |
| 16:19.07 | mgeary | ah |
| 16:19.12 | wps | Tier Four |
| 16:30.17 | wps | sweet… it wasn't me |
| 16:30.20 | wps | nothing wrong with the server |
| 16:30.25 | wps | T4 just had a hiccup |
| 16:30.55 | wps | I enjoyed the walk over there though… they have really expanded! |
| 16:31.14 | wps | they have the entire south side of the first floor and have nearly filled the colo room |
| 16:31.21 | wps | I am excited that busy is going well for them |
| 16:31.48 | wps | s/they have the entire south side of the first floor and have nearly filled the colo room/they have the entire south side of the first floor now and have nearly filled the colo room/ |
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| 16:46.09 | tierra | anyone else having some serious problems with Windows updates today? |
| 16:46.57 | jsmith | wps: Wow... that's cool. I need to pay them a visit next time I'm in Utah |
| 16:47.35 | wps | and I really, really need to rebuild the server this summer with centos |
| 16:47.50 | macnewbold | s/centos/freebsd/ |
| 16:47.55 | wps | no, no, no |
| 16:48.00 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 16:48.03 | wps | :) |
| 16:48.19 | wps | actually, I would be happy to give freebsd a whirl |
| 16:48.22 | wps | I have absolutely nothing against |
| 16:48.23 | wps | it |
| 16:48.52 | wps | but I think that I am going to stick with redhat/fedora/cent for this production box since I am most familiar with it |
| 16:49.23 | macnewbold | yeah, that's an important factor |
| 16:50.05 | jsmith | wps: By this summer, CentOS 5 will have settled down, and HP will have released all their drivers for it, etc. |
| 17:03.54 | _psychic_ | What do you guys use if you don't want a shell process to block a PHP script? I'm trying to bg the process (`command args &`), but that doesn't seem to work. |
| 17:06.04 | wps | that's pretty crazy that they just happened to have a hiccup the second I changed something |
| 17:11.52 | jsmith | _psychic_: As I recall, modern versions of PHP have some pcontrol_ functions for process control |
| 17:14.02 | _psychic_ | pcntl_fork() |
| 17:15.05 | jsmith | Yeah... that sort of thing :-) |
| 17:16.30 | _psychic_ | I'll try that I gues |
| 17:16.30 | _psychic_ | But the command I'm running is in a loop |
| 17:16.35 | tierra | what's this next UPHPU meeting going to be about? |
| 17:16.48 | wps | Dojo |
| 17:17.07 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> meeting 17 May on Dojo - free pizza! |
| 17:20.43 | mindjuju | oh man! i forgot about it! |
| 17:20.53 | mindjuju | k, i'd better whip up something real quick |
| 17:21.00 | wps | you have a week |
| 17:21.05 | mindjuju | are we really having pizza? |
| 17:21.27 | wps | yup |
| 17:21.30 | wps | go us |
| 17:21.44 | wps | someone wants to sponsor us for some reason :) |
| 17:22.01 | mindjuju | oh |
| 17:22.02 | mindjuju | headhunters |
| 17:22.17 | wps | yeah |
| 17:22.24 | mindjuju | they sponsor the dnug |
| 17:24.10 | wps | what's DNUG? |
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| 17:24.42 | mindjuju | dot net users group |
| 17:24.45 | wps | eek |
| 17:24.51 | mgeary | grck |
| 17:25.00 | wps | wouldn't that be .NUG ? |
| 17:25.53 | mindjuju | yeah, technically so, but i think they prefer dnug since a nug is a casual reference to a part of the female anatomy |
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| 17:27.00 | wps | hmmm… |
| 17:27.02 | wps | interesting |
| 17:27.08 | wps | UD says that NUG is "verb for when your girlfriend graciously feeds you chicken nuggets while you're driving. a lot of fun. any girl who does this for you is a keeper." |
| 17:27.24 | mindjuju | hilarous! |
| 17:27.45 | wps | jbot, nug is a verb for when your girlfriend graciously feeds you chicken nuggets while you're driving. a lot of fun. any girl who does this for you is a keeper. |
| 17:27.57 | jbot | wps: okay |
| 17:28.02 | wps | jbot, you're a slacker |
| 17:28.08 | jbot | I know you are but what am I? |
| 17:28.23 | wps | cat vomit |
| 17:28.45 | wps | ooo… stopped him dead in his tracks |
| 17:28.52 | wps | ~wps++ |
| 17:29.08 | mgeary | ~boggle wps |
| 17:29.14 | jbot | ACTION stares in flabbergasted astonishment at wps |
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| 17:32.16 | mindjuju | sup timinator |
| 17:32.26 | timinator_ | sup |
| 17:32.58 | timinator_ | dang slow internet.... I need a DS3 line |
| 17:33.39 | jsmith | Buy me one too... |
| 17:33.57 | timinator_ | fo sho |
| 17:34.50 | wps | I remember dreaming of a T1 back in high school |
| 17:35.06 | timinator_ | actually, I'm only on comcast |
| 17:35.10 | timinator_ | :) |
| 17:35.36 | timinator_ | dang |
| 17:35.38 | mindjuju | oh wow |
| 17:35.47 | wps | ~fiber |
| 17:36.06 | mindjuju | this is AMAZING! |
| 17:36.06 | mindjuju | FreeParis.org |
| 17:36.06 | timinator_ | ~hail mgeary |
| 17:36.18 | jbot | ACTION bows down to mgeary and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 17:36.18 | wps | wow… I only have 8 |
| 17:36.19 | wps | and I thought that that was cook'n |
| 17:36.33 | mgeary | http://www.mstar.net/offerings/fastestnet-chart.php |
| 17:36.51 | wps | no utopia in my backyard |
| 17:37.22 | jsmith | wps: No DSL, no cable, no nothing in my backyard |
| 17:37.32 | jsmith | wps: (Well, there's a major fiber backbone, but I can't tap into it) |
| 17:37.45 | wps | what about the septic tank? I hope you have that in already! :) |
| 17:37.51 | jsmith | But at least the power company is putting in electricity today |
| 17:37.58 | jsmith | wps: No, not yet ... that comes next week. |
| 17:40.16 | mgeary | the problem, though, with a very fast connection, is that the rest of the world is so slow |
| 17:40.35 | mgeary | for example, i hit dslreports to do a speed test, and i get confirmation that i'm on a very fast pipe |
| 17:40.51 | mgeary | but then i download something from server X and get 130 kb/sec |
| 17:41.14 | mgeary | which is still alright, but not great |
| 17:48.53 | mindjuju | ugh, why torment people with higher cable speed if there is a cap on the amount that can be downloaded? |
| 17:48.54 | mindjuju | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070508-160mbps-downloads-move-closer-for-us-cable-customers.html |
| 17:49.03 | mindjuju | that means you hit yoru cap faster, nothing else |
| 17:53.45 | wps | how would I search for a file who's name contains a certain string? |
| 17:54.02 | wps | I know that the word "version" is in the filename, but there is more |
| 17:54.23 | wps | it's version_scripts.php or something but I cannot remember what else is in the filename besides "version" |
| 17:54.35 | mgeary | have you tried locate? |
| 17:54.37 | jsmith | find /path/to/file | grep 'version' |
| 17:54.46 | mgeary | or that |
| 17:54.51 | jsmith | find /path/to/search -name version\* |
| 17:54.54 | wps | don't you need the complete filename to use locate? |
| 17:54.59 | mgeary | no |
| 17:55.00 | jsmith | Nope |
| 17:55.03 | wps | hmm |
| 17:55.07 | jsmith | Not if you're run "updatedb" lately |
| 17:55.13 | mgeary | right |
| 17:55.41 | wps | how do you restrict locate to a certain dir and deeper? |
| 17:55.47 | wps | (instead of the entire system) |
| 17:56.04 | jsmith | wps: With find? or with locate? |
| 17:56.08 | wps | locate |
| 17:56.13 | jsmith | wps: You don't. |
| 17:56.20 | jsmith | wps: That's where "find" comes in handy |
| 17:56.20 | wps | k… I'll try find first then |
| 17:56.25 | jsmith | :-) |
| 17:56.26 | mgeary | but find is slower |
| 17:56.41 | mgeary | you might do locate "version" | grep "php$" |
| 17:56.44 | mgeary | or such |
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| 18:21.58 | mindjuju | ok, i hope some of you are on lunch, cause I got a big question |
| 18:22.46 | mindjuju | What the HECK! is going on with all these flash wannabes, did we not learn anything from the browser wars and a billion standards and what techs are going to be supported? |
| 18:22.48 | mindjuju | http://apcmag.com/6045/firefox_to_go_head_to_head_with_flash_and_silverlight |
| 18:22.57 | mindjuju | http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/05/08/sun-responds-to-ajax-silverlight-with-javafx/ |
| 18:24.29 | mindjuju | so it looks like there is Adobe Flash, MS Silverlight & WPF, FF Cairo, Sun JavaFX and (i think there is another but can't remember) |
| 18:25.14 | mindjuju | then you have offshoots off a platform so that would be Openlaszlo off Adobe Flash, a myriad of JS AJAX frameworks |
| 18:25.58 | tierra | WPF doesn't have much of anything to do with flash... |
| 18:26.20 | mindjuju | sorry, meant to group WPF with Silverlight |
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| 18:27.03 | mindjuju | at the MSDN meet in Sandy a couple months back, they were demoing silverlight with WPF |
| 18:31.12 | tierra | I think it's more about the move to vector-based graphics and imaging... Flash was just the first there, and now everyone is finally catching up |
| 18:31.55 | tierra | i.e. not just on Web, but in desktop applications (thanks to WPF), and elsewhere |
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| 18:38.10 | drip | afternoon folks |
| 18:38.12 | drip | long time no see |
| 18:42.55 | thebigdog | about time |
| 18:48.33 | _psychic_ | javafx is not looking good |
| 18:56.18 | bradym | haha.. "The way to make Java more successful may be to use a different language :)" |
| 18:56.19 | bradym | http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/5484 |
| 18:57.32 | _psychic_ | fwiw: http://www.johndavidanderson.net/blog/2007/05/09/javafx-too-little-too-late/ |
| 19:03.19 | bradym | i can't wait till people start asking me what the difference is between Java, JavaFX Script and JavaScript... it's bad enough with two languages with Java in the name.. thanks for adding a third |
| 19:04.19 | jsmith | We should call it KiwiScript instead, just to confuse things |
| 19:04.51 | jsmith | And call Javascript ECMAscript, as it should probably be called |
| 19:26.00 | PoeticIntensity | Hey everyone... Does anyone here work in Springville, UT? |
| 19:28.10 | mgeary | i hear they don't work in Springville |
| 19:28.17 | PoeticIntensity | heh.... |
| 19:28.18 | PoeticIntensity | I wish! |
| 19:28.21 | mgeary | why? |
| 19:28.24 | PoeticIntensity | I live there! |
| 19:28.42 | mgeary | ah |
| 19:28.51 | PoeticIntensity | There was a job op posted a couple of days ago in Springville for Naturesway. |
| 19:28.56 | PoeticIntensity | just curious if anyone works there. |
| 19:29.17 | mgeary | we've done a bit of work with them, but it's been a while |
| 19:29.23 | PoeticIntensity | oh? |
| 19:29.26 | PoeticIntensity | good experience? |
| 19:29.40 | mgeary | they were a bit disorganized, but seem like decent folk |
| 19:29.53 | PoeticIntensity | agh.... |
| 19:30.01 | PoeticIntensity | isn't ANYONE working in IT organized? |
| 19:30.10 | PoeticIntensity | that's the thing I hate most about my current employer. |
| 19:30.22 | mgeary | well, come work for us |
| 19:30.23 | PoeticIntensity | holy hannah... "Design docs"???? What are those? |
| 19:30.34 | PoeticIntensity | just get the **** thing done. |
| 19:30.53 | PoeticIntensity | (not that bad, but.... no joke. I have yet to receive any written document for specs of a project I'm supposed to work on. |
| 19:31.14 | PoeticIntensity | 50% information, 50% guess-work - and hope to heaven you get it right. |
| 19:31.43 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, just out of curiosity.... what's your pay range? |
| 19:32.20 | PoeticIntensity | PM me if need be. |
| 19:33.03 | mgeary | depends on experience. we're actually looking for sort of promising mid-level person, so many of you here may be more than we're (currently) budgeting for... |
| 19:33.22 | PoeticIntensity | gotcha. |
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| 19:42.57 | thebigdog | im on the upper scale of the 15/hr pay rate |
| 19:43.29 | PoeticIntensity | wow, thebigdog, you're pretty big on the money-side of life, eh'? |
| 19:43.31 | thebigdog | jsmith is like in the 16/hr pay range |
| 19:43.31 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 19:44.04 | PoeticIntensity | good folks ya'll are. |
| 19:47.45 | PoeticIntensity | ~cavort |
| 19:48.07 | PoeticIntensity | ~wiki cavort |
| 19:48.11 | thebigdog | think silence of the lambs |
| 19:48.13 | mgeary | frolic: play boisterously; "The children frolicked in the garden"; "the gamboling lambs in the meadows"; "The toddlers romped in the playroom" |
| 19:48.33 | thebigdog | cavort in front of the mirror |
| 19:48.42 | mgeary | naked |
| 19:48.43 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 19:48.44 | jbot | squishes dataw0lf like a bug |
| 19:48.46 | thebigdog | lol |
| 19:48.48 | PoeticIntensity | hrmph... |
| 20:12.53 | thebigdog | where is my cousin out |
| 20:15.56 | mgeary | who, me? |
| 20:17.21 | jsmith | thebigdog: Do I qualify as a brother, a cousin, a friend, an acquaintance, or a sombody? |
| 20:43.02 | thebigdog | jsmith, you are my bro |
| 20:43.09 | thebigdog | mgeary is my cousin |
| 20:43.28 | thebigdog | like twice removed or something crazy |
| 20:43.52 | mgeary | yeah, and across a polygamous marriage |
| 20:44.07 | thebigdog | somewhere in there |
| 20:45.36 | mgeary | now, on my geary side, i have almost *no* relatives. You'd have to go back about 150 years and then go back down to find my closest geary relative. we're dinosaurs, but we're making a comeback |
| 20:45.56 | thebigdog | that is all good |
| 20:46.15 | mgeary | indeed, as most cousins are invariably strange |
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| 22:16.37 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart beandog |
| 22:16.38 | jbot | keeps mailing beandog free America Online CDs until he drowns |
| 22:16.43 | PoeticIntensity | yes! |
| 22:17.05 | thebigdog | how now i work for those guys |
| 22:17.06 | beandog | ~noob PoeticIntensity |
| 22:17.31 | PoeticIntensity | hardeehar - jbot doesn't like beandog. |
| 22:17.43 | beandog | meh |
| 22:18.16 | PoeticIntensity | moo |
| 22:20.37 | mgeary | thebigdog: for *whom* do you work? |
| 22:20.52 | thebigdog | lol...i was joking about working for AOL |
| 22:21.36 | thebigdog | i work for a small company in clearfield called SabiOso |
| 22:21.59 | mgeary | Oso = bear in spanish... |
| 22:22.04 | thebigdog | yep |
| 22:22.13 | thebigdog | Sabi = smart, knowledge |
| 22:22.14 | mgeary | "Sabi" ? |
| 22:22.16 | mgeary | ahh |
| 22:22.18 | mgeary | nice |
| 22:22.27 | thebigdog | knowledge bear |
| 22:22.42 | thebigdog | or sabi = understand(ing) |
| 22:23.11 | thebigdog | and we have some stupid bear theme |
| 22:23.18 | thebigdog | so we have servers named after bears |
| 22:23.24 | thebigdog | until i started working here |
| 22:23.31 | thebigdog | then i took it to an extreme |
| 22:24.12 | PoeticIntensity | oh? |
| 22:24.42 | PoeticIntensity | sabioso could also be slang for sabio. |
| 22:24.47 | PoeticIntensity | which means wise. |
| 22:24.48 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 22:24.55 | PoeticIntensity | which..... you already made quite clear. |
| 22:25.00 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 22:25.01 | PoeticIntensity | so... I'll just crawl under a rock. |
| 22:26.56 | beandog | heh |
| 22:27.18 | beandog | there's another good bash.org quote |
| 22:27.20 | beandog | ooh |
| 22:27.26 | beandog | we should start a fortune mod for #uphpu |
| 22:32.41 | thebigdog | beandog that is all you my friend |
| 22:32.51 | thebigdog | seeing you have all the free time |
| 22:33.11 | beandog | heh |
| 22:33.14 | beandog | whatever |
| 22:33.29 | beandog | Im too busy playing star wars games |
| 22:33.36 | thebigdog | yeah that is what im sayin |
| 22:33.41 | thebigdog | gentoo committer and all |
| 22:35.45 | beandog | :) |
| 22:35.57 | beandog | that's just something to do on the weekend |
| 22:36.01 | beandog | screwup people's boxes distro-wide |
| 22:36.36 | thebigdog | ~thank beandog for jakin his mplayer |
| 22:36.36 | jbot | thebigdog: gern geschehen |
| 22:36.44 | beandog | heh |
| 22:36.49 | beandog | it probably is jacke.d |
| 22:36.52 | beandog | not my fault! |
| 22:37.02 | beandog | I wouldnt use the 2004wahtever one |
| 22:37.08 | beandog | theres some known bugs in there. |
| 22:37.20 | beandog | I only pushed it cause I thought it would fix another bug, and didn't. |
| 22:37.23 | beandog | whoops. |
| 22:40.59 | beandog | I had my mixer settings at 100%, when normal range is about 25% |
| 22:40.59 | beandog | so, whoops. |
| 22:41.00 | beandog | that hurt. |
| 22:41.21 | beandog | the joys of changing your gentoo profiles around |
| 22:41.22 | beandog | heh |
| 22:41.26 | beandog | PoeticIntensity knows all about it. |
| 22:41.45 | beandog | He's een my portage, worlding my emerge |
| 22:42.52 | PoeticIntensity | actually... I haven't changed profiles before, but I certainly have upgraded my GCC. |
| 22:43.01 | PoeticIntensity | emerge -e world is fun stuff. ;-) |
| 22:43.15 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 22:43.25 | thebigdog | i have migrating gcc |
| 22:43.30 | thebigdog | s/have/hate/ |
| 22:43.36 | PoeticIntensity | me too. |
| 22:43.42 | PoeticIntensity | not entirely sure what the benefits are, either. |
| 22:44.41 | beandog | PoeticIntensity fails the ricer test |
| 22:45.15 | PoeticIntensity | thank HEAVENS I failed that test. |
| 22:45.25 | PoeticIntensity | last thing I wanna do is become a ricer. |
| 22:45.45 | thebigdog | im a ricer |
| 22:45.54 | thebigdog | ~hail thebigdog, the ricer, |
| 22:45.56 | jbot | ACTION bows down to thebigdog, the ricer, and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 22:46.06 | beandog | mmm, rice |
| 22:46.20 | thebigdog | rice + gravy = goodiness |
| 22:46.58 | PoeticIntensity | American Muscle will always triumph. :) |
| 22:47.14 | PoeticIntensity | give me a V8, or give me death! |
| 22:48.33 | PoeticIntensity | holy CRAP mythtv takes forever to compile..... |
| 22:48.56 | beandog | heh |
| 22:49.03 | beandog | thats cuz it comes with the kitchen sinc |
| 22:49.04 | beandog | sink |
| 22:49.06 | beandog | bah. |
| 22:49.09 | PoeticIntensity | sync |
| 22:49.12 | beandog | myth, xmltv, transcode, ffmpeg |
| 22:49.21 | beandog | I'm sure theyve thrown a few more in there for fun. |
| 22:49.25 | PoeticIntensity | it comes with transcode built in it? |
| 22:49.31 | thebigdog | yeah but who doesnt have ffmpeg and transcode already |
| 22:49.32 | beandog | yah |
| 22:49.37 | PoeticIntensity | wow. |
| 22:49.40 | beandog | thebigdog: it doesnt use anything external |
| 22:49.44 | PoeticIntensity | I did not know that. |
| 22:49.46 | beandog | the whole thing is monolithic. |
| 22:49.57 | PoeticIntensity | *blink* |
| 22:50.01 | thebigdog | but i have all those already compiled |
| 22:50.03 | beandog | very poorly designed and coded |
| 22:50.06 | thebigdog | that is the beauty |
| 22:50.22 | thebigdog | its just a wrapper |
| 22:50.33 | beandog | that reminds me |
| 22:50.41 | beandog | did you check out those new themes I put in the tree yet? |
| 22:50.54 | thebigdog | mplayer themes? |
| 22:51.06 | beandog | thebigdog: seriously, look at the deps in the ebuild ... the only thing its not pulling in is mysql |
| 22:51.11 | beandog | transcode and ffmpeg aren't deps |
| 22:51.40 | beandog | mythtv themes |
| 22:51.47 | thebigdog | yeah if you are not doing any video stuff then you need ot compile |
| 22:51.49 | thebigdog | it all |
| 22:51.50 | beandog | x11-themes/mythtv-themes-extra |
| 22:52.19 | thebigdog | but i build all that stuff cause i use it all the time |
| 22:52.33 | thebigdog | transcode, ffmpeg, mplayer, avi |
| 22:52.48 | beandog | right |
| 22:53.07 | beandog | Im just saying myth doesnt use any external stuff |
| 22:53.10 | thebigdog | i dont have mythtv installed i dont like it that much |
| 22:53.12 | thebigdog | i use vlc |
| 22:53.14 | beandog | ah, bueno |
| 22:53.29 | beandog | myth and vlc aren't really in the same category |
| 22:53.32 | thebigdog | vlc i can stream around the house to my hearts content |
| 22:53.36 | thebigdog | true |
| 22:53.40 | beandog | ah, well in that regard they are. |
| 22:53.55 | beandog | Thats the other thing that ticks me, how they save to their non-standard format so *only* myth can playback the files |
| 22:53.57 | beandog | that ticks me off. |
| 22:54.38 | thebigdog | yeah i dont like using it |
| 22:55.11 | herlo | though the windows and mac offerings aren't much better |
| 22:55.45 | thebigdog | for me i would just use my dish dvr |
| 22:56.34 | thebigdog | course when you are making $15/hr and you have a huge tv you can do that |
| 22:56.51 | beandog | I would use freevo if it didnt completely override your mplayer config (hardcoded, even) |
| 22:57.27 | thebigdog | haha |
| 22:57.30 | thebigdog | nice herlo |
| 22:57.35 | herlo | thebigdog: thanx |
| 22:59.44 | thebigdog | vlc rocks my world |
| 22:59.59 | herlo | thebigdog: as long as it plays video, I love it |
| 23:00.09 | thebigdog | yeah i use it for video is all |
| 23:00.26 | PoeticIntensity | you guys are all smoking crack. MythTV rocks. |
| 23:00.28 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 23:00.40 | thebigdog | ~whack PoeticIntensity |
| 23:00.46 | jbot | ACTION whacks PoeticIntensity upside the head. |
| 23:00.46 | PoeticIntensity | It's so easy, my wife can use it. |
| 23:00.49 | PoeticIntensity | and has been using it for over a year now. |
| 23:00.57 | PoeticIntensity | oh! beandog, my projector came back. |
| 23:01.01 | PoeticIntensity | good as new! |
| 23:01.03 | PoeticIntensity | woot! |
| 23:01.07 | beandog | woots |
| 23:01.29 | PoeticIntensity | ~woot PoeticIntensity |
| 23:01.30 | PoeticIntensity | poo. |
| 23:01.59 | PoeticIntensity | yup, yup, yup.... I'm entirely impressed at MythTV. Can't believe it can do what it can do - for free. |
| 23:02.11 | PoeticIntensity | but then again, I'm not involved in the politics of it all. |
| 23:02.17 | PoeticIntensity | I just use it and it does what I need it to. |
| 23:02.19 | PoeticIntensity | so there. |
| 23:02.20 | PoeticIntensity | :-P |
| 23:02.27 | beandog | so can I come watch a movie? |
| 23:02.30 | PoeticIntensity | yes |
| 23:02.32 | beandog | I found a TV I wanna buy |
| 23:02.35 | beandog | its got a little projector in it |
| 23:02.40 | PoeticIntensity | yay! |
| 23:02.41 | beandog | and its got a DVI input |
| 23:02.48 | PoeticIntensity | even more yay! |
| 23:03.56 | beandog | I cant find it now. |
| 23:04.07 | beandog | http://circuitcity.com/ccd/productDetail.do?oid=157550&c=1&cm_re=widget-_-module-_-KDF46E2000 |
| 23:04.12 | beandog | there we go. |
| 23:04.26 | beandog | I came *really* close to buying it on Saturday. |
| 23:04.57 | mgeary | how does LCD compare with plasma these days? |
| 23:05.17 | beandog | I dont like how plasma looks |
| 23:05.20 | beandog | plus, they burn out after a few years |
| 23:05.33 | PoeticIntensity | beandog is right. |
| 23:05.35 | beandog | from what Ive heard. |
| 23:05.47 | PoeticIntensity | plasma is *fantastic* for short-term novelty. |
| 23:05.55 | PoeticIntensity | lcd is good for just about everything else. |
| 23:06.00 | PoeticIntensity | plasma is brighter. |
| 23:06.07 | PoeticIntensity | lcd lasts longer. |
| 23:06.24 | beandog | and sounds cooler. |
| 23:06.26 | PoeticIntensity | lcd is better in almost all respects - except for initial brightness and "cool" factor. |
| 23:07.10 | mgeary | how do they compare in cost? |
| 23:07.25 | PoeticIntensity | plasma is quite a bit higher, as I recall... I haven't checked in years, though. |
| 23:08.53 | beandog | yah |
| 23:08.56 | beandog | seems right |
| 23:09.02 | beandog | just compare the same screen size |
| 23:09.06 | beandog | I think plasma is 2x to 3x more |
| 23:09.20 | beandog | I think the big selling point is they are flat so you can hang them on your wall |
| 23:09.37 | PoeticIntensity | lcd is too. |
| 23:09.43 | PoeticIntensity | it's just as flat as plasma. |
| 23:09.49 | beandog | stop typing. |
| 23:09.57 | PoeticIntensity | plasma is just brighter and cooler. |
| 23:10.16 | PoeticIntensity | the brightness of plasma is only a factor for the first year, however. |
| 23:10.25 | PoeticIntensity | then it degrades and starts to dim dramatically. |
| 23:10.33 | beandog | what they do is literally burn the screen whenever it is turned on |
| 23:10.41 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 23:11.19 | beandog | so youll get artifacts on the actually screen after time. |
| 23:11.19 | beandog | kinda stoopid. |
| 23:11.20 | PoeticIntensity | I'm not sure why that's so, but I imagine that the technology is so new - they really didn't think too much on the "long term" front. |
| 23:11.34 | PoeticIntensity | I should have taken pictures last time I went to the visitors' center on Temple Square. |
| 23:11.36 | thebigdog | im waiting for the monitor that will allow me to slap someone via tcp/ip |
| 23:12.03 | PoeticIntensity | All their plasma screens were HORRIBLY burned in. It was laughable.... which shouldn't happen at Temple Square, if ya know what I mean. |
| 23:12.49 | beandog | yah |
| 23:12.49 | beandog | Ive seen it too |
| 23:12.49 | beandog | perfect example of why not to get one. |
| 23:12.49 | PoeticIntensity | are they still there? |
| 23:12.49 | PoeticIntensity | (bingo) |
| 23:12.54 | beandog | I dunno, but I remember seeing it and it was pretty bad. |
| 23:13.05 | PoeticIntensity | I would have thought they would have got rid of em'. |
| 23:13.21 | PoeticIntensity | it was probably around a year ago I went and they looked so burned in you could hardly tell what was supposed to be on the screen. |
| 23:13.27 | beandog | yah |
| 23:13.29 | beandog | exactly |
| 23:13.35 | PoeticIntensity | if they're still up, they're probably completely un-usable at this point. |
| 23:13.38 | beandog | you do not exaggerate, sir. |
| 23:13.47 | beandog | I think they may have taken them down |
| 23:13.51 | beandog | Ill have to go and look see next time |
| 23:13.54 | PoeticIntensity | I felt sorry for the guy who recommended plasma... :) |
| 23:14.04 | beandog | Im sure he went to hell. |
| 23:14.04 | PoeticIntensity | probably doesn't have a job anymore. |
| 23:14.06 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 23:14.19 | beandog | :) |
| 23:14.27 | PoeticIntensity | I mean, crimoney... they had like.... 10-20 monitors up there. |
| 23:14.37 | PoeticIntensity | probably around 2000.00 per screen. |
| 23:14.41 | PoeticIntensity | that's quite the waste. |
| 23:14.59 | timinator_ | I'm out guys..... later |
| 23:15.45 | beandog | you should donate your projector |
| 23:15.48 | beandog | what was wrong with it, anyway |
| 23:16.06 | beandog | and how much does a replacement bulb cost? If I get this TV, Im gonna have to swap out the bulbs, too. :T |
| 23:16.07 | beandog | :t |
| 23:16.25 | beandog | :u |
| 23:16.30 | beandog | :v |
| 23:24.21 | mgeary | later all |
| 23:24.38 | herlo | adios mgeary |
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| 23:31.18 | mindjuju | does somebody have a projector for sale? |
| 23:31.48 | beandog | no |
| 23:31.58 | beandog | you gonna buy one? |
| 23:32.16 | beandog | I was talking about buying a new TV that uses rear-projection display .. or something |
| 23:32.23 | beandog | PoeticIntensity has a projector at his house |
| 23:33.16 | mindjuju | i was looking for a cheap projector for my office |
| 23:33.21 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 23:33.26 | mindjuju | play server stats in the daytime |
| 23:33.32 | mindjuju | Pink Floyd Pulse concert at night |
| 23:33.35 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... mine is a multimedia-based low-end professional projector. |
| 23:33.41 | PoeticIntensity | BenQ PE8700 |
| 23:33.47 | mindjuju | how much was it? |
| 23:33.48 | PoeticIntensity | isn't made anymore. |
| 23:33.57 | PoeticIntensity | retail was $8000.00 at its prime... |
| 23:34.02 | PoeticIntensity | I got mine for $2500.00 |
| 23:34.07 | mindjuju | WOW |
| 23:34.14 | mindjuju | yup, a lot more than what I got to spend |
| 23:34.15 | PoeticIntensity | it was on its way out, though. |
| 23:34.23 | PoeticIntensity | but dude.... |
| 23:34.29 | PoeticIntensity | I get a 106" screen.... |
| 23:34.41 | PoeticIntensity | try to find a 106" TV for less than $5000.00 |
| 23:34.58 | PoeticIntensity | and it's mobile! |
| 23:35.12 | PoeticIntensity | quite easy to pack up in the car. |
| 23:35.14 | PoeticIntensity | etc... |
| 23:35.34 | mindjuju | well, $600 ain't bad |
| 23:35.35 | mindjuju | http://cgi.ebay.com/BENQ-PE8700-1080i-HD-DLP-Projector-as-new_W0QQitemZ320111559859QQihZ011QQcategoryZ48653QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 23:35.44 | PoeticIntensity | anywho.... projectors are for some.... and not for some... |
| 23:35.59 | PoeticIntensity | yup... I bought mine about 2 years ago. |
| 23:36.04 | beandog | too loud |
| 23:36.07 | PoeticIntensity | I'd get it for $600.00 |
| 23:36.15 | tierra | some people have some serious problems if they think that I like to subscribe to their daily rants via RSS rather than some individual category of subject material they post on maybe once a week |
| 23:36.35 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, yeah... they are noisier than a TV, for sure. |
| 23:36.54 | tierra | Why can't mainstream blogging software handle individual RSS feeds per category by default?! |
| 23:36.57 | mindjuju | noisy like the cooling fan is noisy or the speakers are bad? |
| 23:37.05 | PoeticIntensity | cooling fan. |
| 23:37.09 | beandog | its just more background noise, thats all |
| 23:37.21 | PoeticIntensity | however.... mine is noisy because of a bug in the firmware... |
| 23:37.23 | beandog | not many people are as sensitive to noise as I am though. |
| 23:37.29 | beandog | So, take my comment with a grain of salt. :) |
| 23:37.30 | PoeticIntensity | and I haven't had the time nor the inclination to fix it. |
| 23:37.33 | beandog | tierra: agreed |
| 23:37.38 | mindjuju | yeah, i've got a couple of servers in my office |
| 23:37.56 | mindjuju | so i've got noise like crazy and a box fun running at all times to keep things cool |
| 23:38.07 | mindjuju | oops, box fan, not box fun |
| 23:38.56 | tierra | beandog: TextPattern does a good job of it if the blogger sets it up right, but most everything else simply thinks there should only be a single RSS feed per author |
| 23:39.45 | mindjuju | bummer. i got labeled a cynic |
| 23:40.00 | mindjuju | but not a synic |
| 23:40.11 | tierra | i.e. http://ibaku.net/wxWidgets/ <- the RSS feed attached to that only grabs my wxWidgets catagorized posts... |
| 23:40.31 | tierra | vs the one attached to http://ibaku.net/ that grabs them all |
| 23:40.33 | beandog | I wish my rss reader has filters. |
| 23:40.36 | beandog | how hard would that be? |
| 23:41.00 | tierra | that would be a nice feature on the other side to handle this stuff |
| 23:41.40 | tierra | I'm slightly suprised you can't do that in Google Reader... with as powerful as Gmail filters are... |
| 23:42.49 | beandog | well its nicely formed XML |
| 23:43.02 | beandog | should be easy |