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01:06.09mindjujuanybody around?
01:06.45herlomindjuju: I am here
01:07.11mindjujuawesome
01:07.27mindjujuherlo, have you ever considered or pulled off an AJAX desktop?
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01:12.45herlomindjuju: no, and no sorry
01:12.55mindjujubummer
01:12.56herlomindjuju: though that'd be really cool
01:13.24mindjujuyeah, i'm considering doing it and trying to find out who has done so, and also trying to get pysched up to try to pull it off
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01:30.57optikalAnyone want a Joost invite? http://www.joost.com
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01:38.04mindjujuhey optikal, i'll take one if you have a spare one
01:38.13mindjujubtw, did you like that album ?
01:39.44optikalI honestly haven't listened to it yet, remind me tomorrow
01:40.49optikalMsg me email for invite
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14:54.01Wiktor_hallo, my new free web2.0 comment service is live, PHP production obviously, http://lightcomments.com/ , can save much of coding, I hope ;)  let me know, what you think about it.
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15:09.46_psychic_Wiktor_: is there a PHP user's group in Poland? ):
15:10.19Wiktor_probably, you want to send me there or?..  ;)
15:11.27_psychic_Wiktor_: Well I wanted to advertise there, and I wondered if there was one.
15:11.58Wiktor_what exactly? coding services? app? hosting?
15:15.38_psychic_I sell batter-fried wombat with a web 2.0 application.
15:15.48_psychic_Its still in private beta though.
15:21.09Wiktor_any URL?
15:21.26Wiktor_and you saw my lightcomments?..
15:21.48Wiktor_and,  what is wombat?  ;)
15:21.48Utah_DaveI like the idea
15:22.18Wiktor_you have any website?  maybe you need to know, what people think, after all?     :)
15:22.21Lone_Wanderera wombat is an animal
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15:26.26Lone_Wandererhttp://discovermagazine.com/twominutesorless - one of those was made by my nieve
15:26.29Lone_Wanderermiece*
15:26.37Lone_Wandererniece.  my sister's daughter.
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15:51.51PoeticIntensity~welcome beandog
15:51.56jbotbeandog, Sup yo?
15:52.02PoeticIntensity~yo beandog
15:56.46PoeticIntensity~yow
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16:01.18Lone_Wandereryo beandog
16:01.25beandogsi
16:01.50Lone_WandererCan you send me over that form thingie you told me about the other day?
16:02.06Lone_WandererI've got nothing to work on so I'm putting up the beginnings of a CG library.
16:02.20beandogbueno, wanna come over here and Ill give you the short tour?
16:02.27Lone_Wandererja
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17:10.01timinatoryawn
17:10.29timinatorlumber market sucks right now
17:15.35mindjujutiminator , with all the building going on, the lumber market sucks?
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17:18.11_psychic_Ah man my polish friend left.
17:18.19_psychic_I had some fresh wombat in the grill for him.
17:18.25_psychic_Web 2.0 style, baby.
17:19.24timinatorLOL _psychic_
17:20.05timinatormindjuju: yes, it does.... but I'm wholesale baby, across the US... so it's a completely different market than the housing market....
17:20.11_psychic_I fried it up so he could have it with a side of SPAM.
17:20.57timinatorI'm selling lumber that won't be produced for a month
17:21.37mgearyanyone here ever interfaced with an SMS gateway?
17:21.58Lone_Wanderersimple messaging service?
17:22.03mgearyyeah
17:22.10Lone_Wandereri.e. text messages over cell phones?
17:22.15mgearysomething that can send/receive 'em
17:22.17mgearyyep
17:22.17timinatormgeary: no, but if you get something, I'd like a copy
17:22.25Lone_WandererI interact with one daily ;)
17:22.40timinatorLW rocks
17:23.14mgearyinteracting isn't the same as writing code that interfaces...
17:23.22mgearyand/or setting up such a system
17:23.27Lone_Wanderer_psychic_: You mean the guy, who came in here, and said, hey guys, come check out my thing, it's tewtally, web, 2.0, and used, way, too, many, commas?
17:23.29mgearyis that what you've got/done, LW?
17:23.51Lone_Wanderermgeary: no but I send text messages often ;) but from what I understand, writing the code isn't that hard
17:23.58_psychic_Lone_Wanderer: yeah that's the spamme^H^H^H^H^H guy
17:24.04Lone_WandererGotcha.
17:24.15mgearywell, i know you can just send emails to things like <phonenumber>@tmobile.com
17:24.27mgearyi'm actually more looking to *receive* sms messages
17:24.29Lone_Wandereryeah but @tmobile.com translates that for you
17:24.31Lone_Wandereroh cool
17:24.43mgearynot sure how that would work. it's not an actual project (yet)
17:24.59_psychic_wouldn't you have to get access to the mobile accounts to do that?
17:25.29Lone_WandererI think you just have to register... somehow.  Not really familiar with it.
17:26.23Lone_WandererOdd.  This vim color scheme has the same name as a girl I used to date.
17:26.28Lone_WandererWell, her last name anyway.
17:26.38mgearyi'll bet jsmith-busy knows something about it
17:26.53_psychic_mgeary: http://www.esendex.com/support/sms-api-xml-web-service-soap.aspx
17:27.16_psychic_There's a section on receiving a bit down on the page.
17:28.17mgearycool, i'll check it out. thanks
17:28.23thebigdogmgeary i have looked into it in detail
17:28.44mgearyoh yeah?
17:29.01thebigdogat more of a device level
17:29.20_psychic_If you use that link, don't forget about me when you become fabulously rich.
17:29.57Lone_WandererI won't forget anyone when I get rich.
17:30.09Lone_WandererI may not take your calls, and I certainly won't hang out here any more.  But I'll remember you.
17:30.21_psychic_lol
17:30.27_psychic_I'd hang out here if I was rich.
17:30.30timinatorLOL
17:30.34timinatorI would too
17:30.36timinatordang
17:30.43Lone_WandererI would too, actually.
17:30.48_psychic_I'm already doing what I like.
17:30.52Lone_WandererWhen I wasn't busy vacationing in Europe.
17:31.05_psychic_Well of course.
17:31.09timinatorwell, of course not then
17:31.11timinatorLOL
17:31.42_psychic_Though you can log in from your jet or some expensive gadget.
17:31.48timinatorya
17:31.50_psychic_Or pay someone to be here in your stead.
17:31.59Lone_Wandererlol
17:32.02timinatorto chat on your behalf
17:32.04timinatorLOL
17:32.08Lone_WandererOhhh, it's raining.  Like for reals.
17:32.13jsmith-busy_psychic_: How much does the esendex service cost, and can you get short codes through them?
17:32.21Lone_WandererAnd it's going to be raining tomorrow as well.
17:32.31Lone_WandererHopefully it'll clear up before I go for my...
17:32.38Lone_WandererHELICOPTER INTRO FLIGHT
17:33.05_psychic_jsmith-busy: I'd contact them for that info
17:33.20_psychic_Lone_Wanderer: you working on a pilot's license or something?
17:33.26Lone_Wandereryeah :)
17:33.30_psychic_way cool
17:33.34_psychic_for fun or.... ?
17:33.36Lone_WandererOr rather, I will be soon.
17:33.39Lone_WandererCareer change.
17:33.51Lone_WandererI think.  We'll see how the intro flight goes.
17:33.58_psychic_wow
17:34.01_psychic_good luck man
17:34.03Lone_WandererThanks.
17:34.09_psychic_though it'll be hard to be in here from up there
17:34.12_psychic_;)
17:34.15Lone_WandererYeah, probably.
17:34.36Lone_WandererWhich, nothing against anyone here, is part of the point.
17:35.00_psychic_whatever works best for you man
17:40.49Lone_WandererSweet, there's agreement (so far) on the templating thread.
17:41.32_psychic_that Smart isn't so smart?
17:41.37_psychic_*Smarty
17:41.41Lone_WandererUsually there are three or four emails espousing the virtues of this or that templating system, followed by a brief holy/flame war, followed by a consensus that PHP is in fact the best templating language around.
17:41.48Lone_Wandereryep yep
17:42.58Lone_WandererLikewise.
17:45.43Lone_WandererAnyone here familiar with OSX?
17:46.14Lone_WandererHow can I make it so that .php files get opened with vim?
17:46.31tierrarun 'vim' in a terminal ;)
17:46.34tierrahehe
17:46.50Lone_Wanderer:p
17:46.55_psychic_get info
17:46.57_psychic_on the file
17:47.06Lone_Wandererhow do I do that?
17:47.13_psychic_apple + I
17:47.19_psychic_after selecting
17:47.21Lone_Wandererahh, there we go.  okay.
17:47.33_psychic_check out the open with section
17:47.38_psychic_change it, then click change all
17:47.38Lone_Wandererright
17:47.42Lone_Wandererhmm
17:47.44Lone_Wandererokay
17:48.07Lone_WandererThat doesn't seem to be working.
17:48.21mgearyi like Smarty
17:48.49Lone_WandererYeah, not working.
17:48.57Lone_WandererWhat do you like about it mgeary?
17:49.40mgearyall kinds of things. very few things about Smarty bother me.
17:50.05Lone_WandererDoes it do anything for you that you couldn't do with PHP alone?
17:50.07tierraLone_Wanderer: did you click "Change All.."
17:50.13Lone_Wanderertierra: yes
17:50.20tierraodd... works fine here
17:50.38mgearyLone_Wanderer: well, i could certainly reproduce Smarty with PHP, but i have no desire to do so.
17:50.42Lone_WandererHere's how I'm going about it.  First I click the dropdown and pick "Other..."
17:50.49mgearyi hate having PHP inside of HTML
17:50.51mgeary*hate*
17:51.05mgearyand smarty provides a consistent context
17:51.07Lone_WandererThen I go to Apps and pick Vim.app
17:51.16Lone_Wandererclick add, then click Change All
17:51.36tierraokay.... _NEVER_ install SCPlugin on Mac OS X
17:51.47Lone_WandererAnd it says, in a most unhelpful manner, "Are you sure you want to change all your Vim.app documents to open with the application "Vim.app"?
17:51.50tierraI can't believe they even have it up for download
17:51.52mgearyi mean, if i use the smarty {cycle} function to alternate row background color, sure i could do that with PHP, but i'd want to abstract it to a common library, since i do it all the time. At that point, why should i do it in my own function when i can just have Smarty do it?
17:52.10Lone_WandererWhich, honestly, does nothing for me at all.  Why would I want to change vim-opened files to be opened with vim?
17:52.30Lone_Wanderermgeary: Because using Smarty limits you to things that are available within Smarty.  Using PHP gives you access to everything that PHP has.
17:52.59mgearyyes, which temps less experienced users to go back to the stone age and put *all kinds of* PHP in their templates
17:53.12Lone_WandererAnd when you put Smarty tags in your HTML, you've still got PHP in your HTML, it's just Smarty's limited subset of PHP.
17:53.23Lone_WandererWell, are you a less experienced user?
17:53.38mgearythat's not the point
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17:54.09mgearyi'm not looking to gain any smarty converts. i don't care what people do, though they're foolish if they mix application logic and display logic
17:54.39mgearyi find Smarty to be a great solution. i *would* be interested in seeing the approach that you non-smarty-users use for your templates, though
17:54.53mgearyi'm always ready to steal an idea
17:54.56Lone_WandererI just don't see why anyone would use Smarty when you can do the exact same thing with PHP, without adding the parsing overhead of Smarty.
17:55.29Lone_WandererI just keep the logic and HTML separate, usually by putting the HTML at the bottom of the file and the logic at the top.
17:55.34_psychic_I hated looking up smarty tags
17:55.44mgearythe "parsing overhead" is a straw man argument.
17:56.04mgearyburnin: here, have some Kool-aid ;)
17:56.05_psychic_smarty caches
17:56.07Lone_WandererOkay, then, I don't see the point of wasting brain cycles on learning Smarty when you can do the same thing with PHP.
17:56.24_psychic_the smarty security argument is also really hollow
17:56.38mgeary_psychic_: which argument is that
17:56.42mgeary?
17:56.47Lone_WandererOr wasting *anything* on Smarty.  It's just like... hey, here's something we can do already... let's make a whole new way of doing it, only slightly different!  And not as good!
17:57.09mgearyLone_Wanderer: i would like to see how you approach templates. you ought to send me a nice one
17:57.22Lone_WandererI just told you ^^
17:57.31Lone_WandererAlso I write a header.php and footer.php and include them.
17:57.56burninI currently do the same as Lone_Wanderer
17:57.57mgearywhat about loops?
17:58.07Lone_WandererI... just... write a loop
17:58.22Lone_Wandererforeach (whatever as blah)
17:58.24mgearyso you don't have a set of template management functions or such?
17:58.31Lone_Wanderernope
17:59.07Lone_WandererThe only place I can really see a use for that is in creating forms, because there is almost never a time when I want to add a field to a form when I don't also want it to be validated after it gets submitted.
17:59.11mgearywell, each to his own, i suppose
17:59.33Lone_WandererI just don't see what you gain by using a templating system.
18:00.15mgearycleaner html. it also encourages a better workflow/organization
18:00.19Lone_WandererI could see the benefit to having a small library of functions that do common tasks for you, like the form creation-and-validation-in-one thing
18:00.36Lone_WandererMy HTML is plenty clean as it is.
18:00.46mgeary*yours* may be
18:00.58mgearybut what about when you get a new co-worker, and you have to work on his stuff?
18:01.15mgearyand, oh Lordy, it's choc-full of PHP code inside HTML
18:01.17burninthen he'll have to learn smarty :)
18:01.19Lone_WandererBefore you let them write stuff, you tell them "This is how we do things here"
18:01.45mgearyand if that works for you, then super. like i said, i'm not out missionarying
18:02.03mgearybut i aint giving up my Smarty
18:02.21Lone_Wandereryou're not Ken Snyder are you mgeary?
18:02.31mgeary~mgeary
18:02.38jbot[mgeary] Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie.  NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment
18:02.38Lone_WandererHe just said that Smarty forces MVC, which I think is non-true.
18:02.40mgearyi'm not on the list
18:02.47Lone_Wandererk
18:03.07mgearySmarty doesn't force MVC
18:03.24mgearySmarty *does* encourage separation of app and display logic, but that's not all of MVC
18:03.50mgearythough i'm not convinced that MVC is the end-all, be-all model for PHP development
18:04.01mgearyi guess it depends on how you interpret MVC
18:04.38mgearyfor example, i do not see an advantage to routing every page in your app through a single index.php page.
18:04.53Lone_WandererMVC != bootstrapping
18:05.00Lone_WandererMVC is, imho, a good general purpose idea
18:05.11Lone_Wandereran MVC framework, on the other hand, may or may not meet your particular needs
18:05.35Lone_Wandererbut being aware of the concept of separating different things into different parts is obviously beneficial
18:05.47mgearyyep
18:06.40mgearymy philosophy is, have smart Classes, where nearly all your logic, and *all* of your SQL live, have "scripts", which instantiate classes and expose data to templates, and templates, which control how your output is rendered
18:07.41Lone_WandererSounds like a good way to do things.
18:08.16mgearyit's worked for me
18:09.02Lone_WandererI would like to develop a more model-oriented approach to development.  I hate having SQL strung all over my code.
18:09.13Lone_WandererAnd I hate writing SQL every time I want to interface with the DB.
18:09.24mgearyeww, you don't really
18:10.26burninmgeary, is it GPLed?
18:10.41mgearyno, but i've considered opening it up
18:10.52mgearybut...
18:11.27burnindo you use lots of commenting in your code?
18:11.56mgearya bit, not huge amounts. i mostly rely on very description function names, i suppose
18:12.21mgearyhere's what i'd like--
18:13.14mgearyi'd like a UPHPU meeting about frameworks. I could present on what i've built, and _psychic_ can contrast that with what Cake offers, and dataw0lf could chip in with CodeIgniter insights
18:13.46timinatorsounds good.... let's meet in Ogden!!
18:13.49mgearyif what i've built is at all favorably received by participants, i could make a svn repository public, and people could help me make it better
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18:15.08mgearyOgden is a bit far for me to make
18:15.20mgearyi could deal with So. SLC
18:15.45mgearywell, it depends on what you're after
18:16.32mgearyin a heavily OOP-centric paradigm, you almost always are dealing with either a list of objects, or a single object
18:17.13timinatorI'm in OOP.... but I write the SQL and logic together in the function
18:17.22timinatoris that what you are talking about then?
18:17.48mgearywell, it depends on which sql you're talking about
18:17.59mgearyare you familiar with the ActiveRecord design pattern?
18:18.11timinatorno... I spin my own stuff
18:18.25mgearyme too
18:18.30mgearyhere's how the AR pattern works
18:18.32mgearyfor example
18:18.38timinator:) That's the only way to roll
18:18.43timinatork
18:18.47mgeary$client_obj = new Client_Record($some_id);
18:19.06mgeary$client_obj->address = "some new address";
18:19.11mgeary$client_obj->save();
18:19.15mgearyboom. no sql needed
18:19.28timinatorah
18:19.33mgearyi just retrieved a record from the table "clients" with primary key $some_id, changed a field, and saved it
18:19.48mgearyall that is handled by my ActiveRecord class
18:19.53mgearyfrom which Client_Record would inherit
18:20.08mgearyalternately:
18:20.15mgeary$client_obj->delete();
18:20.38mgearynice thing about a delete() method is you can clean out map-table entries
18:20.55mgearyso you sort of get foreign-key constraints without having to actually deal with them in your DB
18:21.20mgearyanyway, i also have a method in my ActiveRecord class like this:
18:21.32mgeary$some_object->findMatchingRecords()
18:21.57mgearywhat that will do is iterate through the properties of $some_object and formulate a sql query to find all other rows in that table whose properties match
18:22.31timinatorI see
18:22.43mgearyi also have a method in my Master_App class called getObjectList($some_class_name,$where_clause_constraints);
18:23.51mgearyso i can do things like, $client_object_list = $application_instance->getObjectList("Client_Record","date_created BETWEEN 2007-01-01 AND 2007-04-01");
18:24.49mgearymy current theory is that you should never have SQL in your scripts.
18:25.57timinatorI see... but you do have it in each function in your object
18:25.57timinatorI misunderstood
18:25.58mgearywell, wherever possible, methods are inherited
18:26.20mgearybut yes, if there's an uncommon situation, a given Class would have sql in a method
18:26.49timinatorgotcha
18:27.46mgearyhey, this looks cool: http://www.yepthat.com/index.html
18:29.04wpsI don't know… I don't really like this search fad going on
18:29.17wpsI like having my things organized in folders
18:30.18wpsand can't you basically do the same kind of searches/tagging with Spotlight?
18:30.28mgearySpotlight--
18:30.37mgearyi've been turned off spotlight
18:30.43mgearyheh. pun not intended
18:30.52mgeary*by spotlight
18:32.15timinatorI'm not a big spotlight fan either
18:33.11wpsme either… I don't search for things… I know where they are already… but I don't see any features in this app that Spotlight doesn't already do
18:35.51mgearynot sure, i've downloaded it and might take it for a spin
18:37.33timinatorI miss Watson
18:37.36timinator:(
18:38.33timinatorI curse whenever I have to check on a movie or do a reverse lookup of a phone number
18:40.25timinatordoes anyone know what I'm talking about?!?!
18:40.48mgearyyep
18:40.53mgearyi still have Sherlock
18:40.55mgearyuse it for movies
18:41.06mgearynever really used Watson, though
18:42.00timinatorhttp://www.karelia.com/watson/
18:42.05timinatorI loved it
18:42.07timinator:(
18:48.16wpsI miss Dark Castle on my Mac Plus
18:48.29mgearyDark Castle was awesome. you can play it in emulation, though
18:48.38wpsoh?
18:48.56Lone_WandererOh man.
18:48.59Lone_WandererDark Castle was so good.
18:49.02mgearyyeah
18:49.12mgearylemme dig around for a bit
18:49.16Lone_WandererI wonder if Delta Tao is even still around.
18:49.45wpsdid anyone ever play a game called Ghost? It was a text-only choose-your-own-adventure game that I played on my Atari 800
18:49.54wpsI think it was written in Basic even
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18:52.23mgearythough my favorite Mac Plus game was Dungeon of Doom. Kind of a NetHack with (better) graphics
18:53.03mgearyhttp://www.vmac.org/
18:53.19Lone_WandererI... wait... WAIT OMGOMG
18:53.33mgeary?
18:53.34Lone_WandererIf that's the game I think it is I'm going to love you forever.
18:53.44Lone_Wandererlol I've been looking for it for ages
18:53.52Lone_Wandereris it the one where you can play a class called "Jones"?
18:53.55mgearyyep
18:53.56mgeary:D
18:54.01Lone_WandererXD
18:54.12wpsouch
18:54.39mgearyawesome game, wasn't it?
18:54.40Lone_Wanderermgeary: is that on there?  I don't see it
18:54.44mgearyno
18:54.44Lone_WandererOh yeah.
18:54.47Lone_WandererAnd you got a wish scroll
18:54.50mgearyyep
18:54.55Lone_Wandererand I always tried to wish for the death blade
18:54.58mgearybut i had it at one point. i might have to do some digging
18:55.12mgearybut i'm nearly positive i used vMac to play it
18:55.14Lone_Wandererfinally my friend told me that it was backticks, not single quotes
18:55.34Lone_WandererHa!  There it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:TheDungeonRevealedScreenshot.png
18:57.46mgearyyeah
18:57.46mgearythat's it
18:57.46mgearyawesome game
18:57.46mgearythough the lower-right font isn't what i remember
18:58.11mgearyhttp://www.sidhia.com/shrine.html
18:58.23mgeary"After spending frustrating weeks trying to get the original Dungeon of Doom game to run on my new Jaguar machine using Vmac I found The Dungeon Revealed at the Macintosh Garden! Yippee! A carbon copy of the game made in Mac heaven"
18:58.24Lone_Wandereryeah, same here, but I was only like 9 when I played it
18:58.46mgearyhttp://www.sidhia.com/Dungeon%20of%20Doom%20Shrine/The%20Dungeon%20Revealed.sit
18:58.58Lone_Wanderersweeeet
18:59.14Lone_WandererI'm totally going to play that all day ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H wait until I get off of work and check it out.
18:59.21mgearyhah
18:59.28mgearystill gotta get vMac running (with a ROM)
18:59.53mgearyhrm
19:00.05mgearyvmac is a Classic app. i'm sure there's a Carbon emulator
19:01.58Lone_WandererWell, I've still got an old Mac around somewhere
19:02.06Lone_Wandererthat I think is running system 7
19:02.45mgearyi'm getting closer
19:03.32mgearyhttp://www.users.bigpond.com/pear_computers/BasiliskII.html
19:06.44beandogthats cool
19:08.00Lone_WandererWhat do you open .sit files with?
19:08.07mgearywww.stuffit.com
19:08.11mgearyget the free expander
19:08.14Lone_Wandereroh, I thought it was a native Mac thing
19:13.02wpsit used to be the default Mac archive format, but that died out when Apple included ZIP built into OS X
19:13.17mgearyyeah, i hate it now
19:19.30timinatorBRB
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19:26.01wpsI love the rain
19:26.31Lone_WandererCCR
19:26.43Lone_WandererHave you ever seen the rain?
19:27.36wpsit's pouring in Orem
19:27.44wpsmy grass will be happy
19:28.02mgearynot at 500 South, it's not
19:28.05mgearyweird
19:28.15wpsreally?
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19:28.28wpsI'm by Orem cemetery
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19:28.53mgearytiny drops
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19:34.05Lone_WandererSo, wait.
19:34.08Lone_WandererThis Basilisk thing.
19:34.22Lone_WandererIt only runs roms?
19:34.47Lone_Wandererblah, whatever.  I need food.
19:34.47mgearyyou need a rom
19:34.56Lone_WandererHow do I get one?
19:34.58mgearyi'll get something working and let you know
19:35.02Lone_Wandererok thanks
19:35.05mgearyROMs are hard to find
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19:52.08mgearywho all wants it?
19:53.07mgearyjust Lone_Wanderer, yes?
19:54.29mgearyhttp://166.70.44.60/download/mg/mac_and_dod.zip
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20:09.32Lone_Wandererahh, thanks
20:10.04mgearycan't find a copy of Dark Castle, though
20:10.24Lone_Wandererhttp://www.deltatao.com/
20:11.04mgearycan't find a *free* copy of Dark Castle, though ;)
20:11.31Lone_WandererWell, they're still selling it :p
20:11.36mgearyyeah
20:11.41mgearynot the original, though
20:11.44Lone_WandererWhy does this rom just have a disk with a ? in it, flashing?
20:11.52Lone_WandererOhhh
20:12.01mgearygot it?
20:12.04Lone_Wandererno wai
20:12.07Lone_Wandererthat's awesome, thanks
20:12.09mgearyyep
20:12.55mgearyLone_Wanderer owes mgeary a taco
20:13.04Lone_WandererIndeed.
20:13.40mgearybut timinator bought mgeary 2 tacos, so karma is satisfied
20:14.44Lone_WandererWhy can't I wield my 2h sword? :'(
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20:17.44timinatorI bought ya tacos?
20:21.09mgearytiminator: i sent you those discs, no?
20:23.10timinatorOH, RIGTH
20:23.10timinators/RIGTH/RIGHT/
20:23.10Lone_Wanderers/CAPSLOCK/no capslock ;)
20:23.13timinatorah
20:23.21Lone_Wanderera bit slow on the uptake are we jbot?
20:26.02Lone_WandererSweet, Ballet West is doing Carmina Burana.
20:30.24mgearywho's doing the singing?
20:30.27mgearyUtah Opera?
20:30.31thebigdogi am
20:30.40mgearywell, yeah, i meant *besides* thebigdog
20:31.18Lone_WandererSing it baby.
20:31.53Lone_Wanderer(At least, I think that's the one...)
20:32.04thebigdogi can do the dancing naked part
20:32.26Lone_Wandererawesome
20:33.06mgeary~ throwatowel thebigdog
20:33.07jbotACTION throws a threadbare, yet completely opaque, towel around thebigdog
20:33.14mgearywhew
20:34.30mgeary~muzzle thebigdog
20:34.31jbotACTION puts a muzzle on thebigdog so that thebigdog can't bark, much less bite
20:35.01mgearyaww man, mine was better
20:35.08mgearymuzzle was already defined
20:35.14thebigdog~tunafart mgeary
20:35.16jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mgeary, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
20:35.27wpsnasty
20:36.27thebigdog~melvin mgeary
20:36.29jbotACTION pulls mgeary underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles
20:37.44Lone_Wanderer~orff mgeary
20:37.53mgearyorff??
20:37.58Lone_WandererCarl Orff
20:38.13mgearyah
20:38.23mgearydug
20:38.24mgearyduh
20:38.28Lone_Wandererhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmina_Burana_(Orff)
20:38.33mgearyyep
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21:01.26Lone_Wandererhttp://dev.codegreene.com/healthmart/become_a.png - is it possible to make the ribbon thing extend over the border like that?
21:03.47wpsyes, with absolute positioning
21:15.30mgearywow. so get this
21:16.23mgearymy 25-year-old cousin just had his engagement broken by his parents because the fiancee's grandfather was an illegitimate child
21:16.35mgearythere's just so many ways that's wrong
21:17.22wpswhat>
21:17.22wpswhat?
21:17.22wpsyou're kidding, right?
21:17.55wpsbeyond his parent's opinion, your cousin is going to do what they say?
21:18.21mgearydunno. this is 2nd hand right now.
21:18.29mgearybut i won't be surprised if he obeys
21:19.21wpswow
21:43.49Lone_Wanderer~rejoice
21:44.01jbotNo, damit!!!
21:44.20Lone_Wanderer~rejoice_or_else
21:44.58mgeary~frolic
21:47.03Lone_WandererGot me a date with Hot Coffee Shop Girl.
22:04.06synicwhich coffee shop?
22:04.17synic!seen stderr
22:04.24synic~seen stderr
22:04.46jbotstderr <n=stderr@c-24-10-220-8.hsd1.ut.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #uphpu, 463d 15h 59m 20s ago, saying: 'bigdog_ut: yea.'.
22:04.47synic~blah
22:04.52jbotblah is probably X
22:04.59synic~seen dataw0lf
22:05.38jbotdataw0lf is currently on #utah #uphpu. Has said a total of 14 messages. Is idling for 2d 6h 14m 21s, last said: 'yea, he's awesome'.
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22:16.12mindjuju~ping macnewbold
22:16.20jbotpong macnewbold
22:20.16mgearyor the shop
22:24.34beandogmindjuju: I think hes working from home
22:24.35beandog~home macnewbold
22:24.44thebigdogwhat a slacker
22:24.54thebigdogthat is an alias for i want to go to the movies
22:25.02beandogooh
22:25.03beandogwhat movie
22:25.11beandogI wanna watch Disturbia
22:25.15beandog~disturb PoeticIntensity
22:25.19thebigdogyeah same here
22:25.25thebigdogim talking my daughter to it
22:25.34thebigdogs/talking/taking/
22:25.34PoeticIntensityit was surprisingly great.
22:25.35beandogPoeticIntensity has nasty taste in movies.
22:25.45PoeticIntensitydon't get me started, mr beandog.
22:25.46beandogHe has the Care Bears movies at home.
22:26.01beandogIve watched them.
22:26.01thebigdogi name my servers after care bears
22:26.02beandogtwice.
22:26.16PoeticIntensity;-)
22:26.20thebigdogi have funshine bear....pisted off bear...
22:26.20PoeticIntensity~kick beandog
22:26.22jbotACTION kicks beandog
22:26.30beandogpisted?
22:26.35PoeticIntensityanyway..... yeah... Disturbia was great.
22:26.38Lone_Wanderermindjuju: The date is hot.
22:26.47PoeticIntensityI'd recommend it to anyone who likes a good semi-family-friendly thriller.
22:27.00PoeticIntensitysome pretty freakin' intense scenes in it, though.
22:27.00beandogfamily-friendly thriller?
22:27.03beandogthere's not many of those.
22:27.15PoeticIntensitydid ya see the "semi" portion of that statement, beandog ?
22:27.20beandogNo.
22:27.24PoeticIntensityopen your eyes.
22:27.34beandogMy brain filters input to see things as I really want.
22:27.43PoeticIntensitywow.  I'm sorry.
22:27.55PoeticIntensityYou're living in the Matrix.
22:27.57beandogit only happens on your input though, since I have to correct you constantly anyway
22:28.08beandog:)
22:28.11beandogMr Care Bears.
22:28.19PoeticIntensitycorrection coming from someone living in an alternate state of reality really doesn't mean much to me.
22:28.29PoeticIntensityso.... it's all good.
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22:28.48PoeticIntensitysee?  We made mgeary leave.
22:28.49PoeticIntensity:-(
22:28.53beandogpoops.
22:28.58beandogI wonder if we can fear him back in.
22:29.32beandogPoeticIntensity: you didnt wreckzor out in the rain did you?
22:30.03PoeticIntensitynope... had lots of fun, though.
22:30.25beandogoh?
22:30.41beandogdid I tell you the other day when I came back on Bangerter I saw a cop hiding on the south side by a bridge
22:30.44beandoggotsa be careful, yo.
22:32.19Lone_WandererThere's this girl I used to date named Heather.  We don't get along very well.
22:32.20PoeticIntensitywow.
22:32.25thebigdogok then
22:32.44PoeticIntensitythat was a heckuva rant, there Lone_Wanderer.
22:32.56PoeticIntensityyou might wanna reel it in a bit in the future.
22:33.07PoeticIntensity;-)
22:33.07thebigdoggas prices...suck
22:33.08Lone_WandererI saw her online and said to her, "Kristy sucks.  But not the same way you do."  As our last conversation was about the different ways she could be a more attractive potential girlfriend, etc.
22:33.18thebigdogso my father in law has an old chevy pickup
22:33.20thebigdog2 tanks
22:33.23thebigdogfills it up
22:33.29thebigdogits a work truck
22:33.35Lone_WandererBut it wasn't her, it was her sister.
22:33.42thebigdogcomes out the next day...all the gas is gone
22:33.51thebigdogman can you believe that crap
22:33.52PoeticIntensityLone_Wanderer, WOAH....
22:33.55beandogLone_Wanderer: doh
22:33.59Lone_WandererYeah.
22:34.01beandogthere's one for bash.org
22:35.29PoeticIntensityLone_Wanderer, you can't be serious....
22:35.53PoeticIntensitythat'd be pretty freakin' crazy...
22:35.58Lone_WandererI think that's one for my blog.
22:36.01PoeticIntensityher sister might tell her dad, who might own a shotgun... :)
22:36.15PoeticIntensityaaaaand...... they know where you live.
22:36.16PoeticIntensity:)
22:36.17Lone_WandererI'm pretty sure that he does in fact own several shotguns.
22:36.25PoeticIntensitygorgeous....
22:36.27PoeticIntensityI'd get bloggin'.
22:36.28PoeticIntensity;-)
22:37.25Lone_WandererSeveral firearms anyway.
22:40.59Lone_WandererSo I'm thinking about going to take the asvab today.
22:41.03Lone_WandererOr maybe not.  I don't know.
22:41.16beandogasvab?
22:41.44Lone_Wandererarmed services vocational aptitude battery
22:42.06Lone_WandererUnfortunately, they will almost certainly want me to go into linguistics.
22:42.41Lone_WandererOr some other language-related thingie.  Because I will almost certainly get 99% or better on the language-related portions of the test.
22:43.17Lone_WandererAnd every time I hear this song I wonder if it's flat on purpose.  Who's the other Men Without Hats fan here?
22:44.37mindjuju~rlart
22:44.39jbotwhips out a sword and chops gibba[w] in half
22:45.07mindjujuk, so i need to send out an email today about geek lunch next friday
22:45.16mindjujudid we decide where its going to be at in Draper / Sandy ?
22:45.18Lone_WandererDo eet!
22:45.51mindjujuthe emperor's kung fu is better than yoda's
22:46.03gibba[w]geeklunch?
22:46.05gibba[w]where?
22:46.05Lone_WandererMy kung fu > *
22:46.12beandogSandy / Draper?  Right on
22:46.12beandog:D
22:46.20mindjujuhaven't decided on a resturant
22:46.20beandogLets go to the Original Pancake House sometime.
22:46.22beandogwhee!
22:46.26Lone_WandererWhere * is "everything except for things whose kung fu are greater than or equal to my own"
22:46.28mindjujuthe location is sandy / draper though
22:46.39mindjujugot a place to recommend gibba[w]
22:48.02thebigdogchipolete
22:48.39mindjujuthe recommended places so far are Zuppas, guadalahonkey's and seems like there was a third, i'll have to see if i can pull it out
22:48.55thebigdogchipoletes
22:49.03mindjujuis that a real place?
22:49.10thebigdogy
22:49.33mindjuju~wiki chipoletes
22:49.36gibba[w]hmmm .... bua de beppo downtown
22:49.39mindjujuthebigdog google don't know
22:49.42gibba[w]buca*
22:49.58thebigdog~google chipoletes
22:50.42mindjujubuca di beppo  looks good
22:50.47mindjujuhttp://www.bucadibeppo.com/
22:51.08thebigdoghttp://www.chipotle.com/
22:51.36thebigdoghttp://www.chipotle.com/mapquest/advantage.asp?transaction=search&country=us&template=map_search&city=Salt%20Lake%20City&stateProvince=UT&width=415&height=350&iconid=500&zoomLevel=6&maxSearchResults=30&radius=150
22:52.00thebigdogmaybe i need to hit it tonight and check it out
22:52.39mindjujumaybe somebody needs to tell them their website is broken
22:52.52thebigdogwhat is wrong?
22:52.52mindjujuit stops after 2 seconds in IE, after 5 seconds in FF 2
22:53.02thebigdogi works great for me
22:53.06thebigdogit
22:53.10mindjujupsh
22:53.23thebigdoghover over the logo
22:53.32mindjujuoh, was expecting more
22:53.48thebigdogyeah me too at first
22:54.06thebigdogscared the burrito out of me cause i had my headphones on and the music up
22:55.39mindjujulooks like its just north of downtown
23:02.38mindjujuthebigdog
23:02.59thebigdogy
23:03.06mindjujuthta chipoletes looks like a good place, we should do it for the next time we go north; provided that those that live in the north come too
23:03.30mindjujucourse Timinator came and redeemed our northern brethern
23:03.37mindjuju;)
23:03.44thebigdogyeah that would be fine
23:03.49timinatoryep
23:04.41mindjujuthis buca di beppo that gibba[w] recommended looks pretty good
23:05.00mindjujuit's more of midvale, but i don't think anybody would mind
23:05.18Lone_WandererMidvale?
23:05.24Lone_WandererI want Sandy!!
23:05.39mindjujuL_W , check this out
23:05.40mindjujuhttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=buca+di+beppo+utah&ie=UTF8&ll=40.628024,-111.905365&spn=0.449735,0.862427&z=11&om=1
23:05.49mindjujuA is the one that's closest
23:05.51Lone_Wandererk one sec
23:06.25mindjujuoh yeah, Lone_Wanderer, was Guadalahonkey's your nomination ?
23:06.36Lone_Wandererno
23:06.49mindjujuwhat did you recommend?
23:06.49Lone_WandererI didn't nominate anything.  If I were going to I'd nominate a thai place with really good mussaman curry.
23:06.57Lone_WandererSpecifically, Thai Chili Garden.
23:07.16mindjujui thought thai chili garden was in provo?
23:07.19Lone_WandererMan, I should have switched from Aquamacs to vim ages ago.
23:07.27Lone_WandererThere's one in Orem too.  But yeah.
23:07.39Lone_WandererJust switching editors is making development so much more pleasant.
23:08.20mindjujuoh, i was thinking of a different thai resturant
23:08.29mindjujuthai chili garden has 5 stars
23:09.00Lone_WandererIt deserves every one of them.
23:09.12Lone_WandererI've been to several thai places in Utah and it's the best one so far.
23:09.19Lone_WandererWell, keep in mind that the only thing I ever order is mussaman curry.
23:11.28mindjujuwhere the heck is murray?
23:13.23mindjujuLone_Wanderer , i've got a mag with the 2006 -7 best resturants of Utah
23:13.30mindjujuthis one got an award
23:13.31mindjujuhttp://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&btnG=Search&um=1&q=thai+garden&near=Murray,+UT&fb=1&latlng=40675737,-111865533,15134036721824374184
23:13.48Lone_Wanderersweet, thanks
23:13.57Lone_WandererI've been mourning Thai Chili Garden since I moved up here.
23:14.15mindjujui wonder if we should do geek lunch there
23:14.29Lone_WandererOh, definitely.
23:14.30mindjujuit's not sandy, but i think there is only like 2 or 3 down in draper / sandy
23:14.41Lone_WandererThere's a waitress there who is absolutely gorgeous, too.
23:14.50Lone_WandererWhich may or may not be a factor for anyone other than me.
23:14.56Lone_Wanderer>.>
23:17.56mindjujucool, here is a place that does German cuisine
23:17.57mindjujuhttp://utah.citysearch.com/profile/10372233/
23:18.51mindjujufungus , you around?
23:19.03mindjuju~wake everybody so i can send this email
23:19.08jbotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everybody so i can send this email and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
23:19.08fungusNow I am.
23:19.14mindjujucool, we're trying to find a place for geek lunch
23:19.18mindjujui was thinking this one
23:19.24mindjujuhttp://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&btnG=Search&um=1&q=thai+garden&near=Murray,+UT&fb=1&latlng=40675737,-111865533,15134036721824374184
23:19.38fungusI like that place.
23:19.54mindjujuoh, you've been there?
23:20.03Lone_Wandereromng
23:20.05Lone_Wanderer-n
23:20.11Lone_Wanderermilitary.com has a douglas adams quote
23:20.12mindjujuutah_Dave , you around?
23:20.15fungusyeah.  Not for quite a while, but it was good a few years ago.
23:20.25Lone_Wanderer"Bistromathics itself is simply a revolutionary new way of understanding the behavior of numbers. Just as Einstein observed that space was not an absolute but depended on the observer's movement in space, and that time was not an absolute, but depended on the observer's movement in time, so it is now realized that numbers are not absolute, but depend on the observer's movement in restaurants."
23:20.59mindjujuso thumbs up or down from Fungus?
23:21.06fungusthumbs up
23:21.11mindjuju~ping beandog
23:21.13jbotpong beandog
23:21.16mindjuju~ping herlo
23:21.18jbotpong herlo
23:21.19fungusNot way up, but up.
23:21.39mindjuju~ping synic
23:21.41jbotpong synic
23:21.41mindjuju~ping tierra
23:21.43jbotpong tierra
23:22.32beandogeh
23:22.32mindjujuwell, past 5p, everybody must have gone home
23:22.34beandogsup
23:22.34tierrahmm
23:22.39mindjujuhey beandog and tierra
23:22.48mindjujuwe're looking for geek lunch next week
23:22.54mindjujulook at this place and tell me thumbs up or down
23:22.54mindjujuhttp://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&btnG=Search&um=1&q=thai+garden&near=Murray,+UT&fb=1&latlng=40675737,-111865533,15134036721824374184
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23:23.03tierraok, I was about to ask if it was this friday or next
23:23.04mindjujuutah_dave , you around?
23:23.14mindjujunot tomorrow, next friday
23:23.23Utah_Daveyep
23:23.23tierraactually, I can't do it either this week or next week now that I think about it
23:23.23mindjuju5/11
23:23.36tierragoing to be busy tomorrow, and my cousin's wedding is next friday
23:23.45Utah_Davesup, mindjuju
23:23.47mindjujuutah_dave , look at this link for possible geek lunch on 5/11
23:23.47tierraso I won't vote on this one
23:23.48mindjujuhttp://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&btnG=Search&um=1&q=thai+garden&near=Murray,+UT&fb=1&latlng=40675737,-111865533,15134036721824374184
23:24.12mindjuju@tierra , bummer!  you've been to everyone, haven't you?
23:24.28tierraevery geek lunch you mean? no actually
23:24.32tierrabut I've been to a few now
23:25.04tierraI think I missed the last one too though :(
23:25.08Utah_Davelooks cool
23:26.16mindjujui think we should go there
23:29.19timinatorI'm out, later guys
23:30.21herlomindjuju: pong
23:30.47mindjujuherlo , was going to ask you about geek lunch, but remembered that your going to be out of town next friday
23:30.53herloyep
23:30.55herlojerk
23:30.55mindjujuhere is the location though if you want to look at it
23:30.57mindjujuhttp://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&btnG=Search&um=1&q=thai+garden&near=Murray,+UT&fb=1&latlng=40675737,-111865533,15134036721824374184
23:30.57herlo:)
23:31.14herlookay not really a jerk, but thank you for letting me know
23:31.28mindjujuheh
23:31.34herloIf for some reason the city of Sacramento fails to run on Monday, I'll be there...
23:31.37herlo:)
23:31.40herloI would love to come
23:31.44herlo:)  really, I would
23:31.51herlothen I can tease you more mindjuju ;)
23:32.04mindjujusurely your coming to the next php meet at least, though, right?
23:32.14herloyeah, it looks that way
23:32.15mindjujucatch the after meet late night dinner at applebees ?
23:32.20herlomaybe
23:32.22mindjujuthose are some fun times
23:32.27herloyes they are
23:32.33herloI miss you guys
23:32.44herloI don't get to hang out in Utah nearly enough anymore...
23:33.01mindjujuyeah, same here.  i do a lot of career building and that's about it
23:33.17mindjujubut nice to have 2 breaks a month where i can leave the office and the books and relax for a bit
23:33.26herloyeah, and geek out
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