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| 16:05.17 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: ping |
| 16:09.08 | mgeary | hey |
| 16:09.08 | mgeary | hmm |
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| 16:09.08 | Lone_Wanderer | morning |
| 16:09.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I think DW is dead. |
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| 16:09.36 | mgeary | that's better |
| 16:09.38 | mgeary | couldn't see anything before. huh |
| 16:09.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Wubba. |
| 16:14.08 | mgeary | Hubba |
| 16:14.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Gabba gabba heeyyyyyyyyyy |
| 16:42.30 | mgeary | http://img.worsethanfailure.com/Images/200704/bunny.png |
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| 16:45.22 | Lone_Wanderer | ...right |
| 16:45.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if you could do an Amazon bomb. |
| 16:46.17 | Lone_Wanderer | By getting a lot of people to (for example) buy a book by Rush Limbaugh and then also buy a copy of The Satanist Bible in the same order. |
| 16:46.59 | mgeary | heh |
| 16:47.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Or Deepak Chopra's new book along with a copy of "Critical Thinking for Dummies" or "Spotting Frauds and Charlatans". |
| 16:49.07 | tierra | psh, they don't even need to buy the books, just get them to view both books |
| 16:49.24 | Lone_Wanderer | really? good deal |
| 16:50.20 | tierra | though that would be best to get it under the 'Customers who bought this item also bought...' |
| 16:50.29 | Lone_Wanderer | ja |
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| 17:52.39 | timinator | mawnin' guys |
| 17:52.55 | timinator | (for another 8 minutes at least) |
| 17:57.31 | Lone_Wanderer | morning |
| 17:58.02 | Lone_Wanderer | (for another three minutes) ;) |
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| 18:10.23 | PoeticIntensity | afternoon. |
| 18:10.37 | PoeticIntensity | (since about 10 minutes ago) |
| 18:33.51 | mindjuju-cereal | i wonder where macnewbold is |
| 18:34.21 | mindjuju-cereal | or dataw0lf, haven't heard from him in a while |
| 18:35.12 | tierra | maybe they eloped |
| 18:35.33 | mindjuju-cereal | heh |
| 18:35.36 | mindjuju-cereal | sup tierra |
| 18:35.44 | tierra | afternoon |
| 18:36.10 | mindjuju-cereal | got to find a location for the next geek lunch. got a favorite resturant? |
| 18:36.48 | mgeary | is Utah Valley up? i can't go clear to SLC for lunch |
| 18:36.49 | tierra | I'm totally down for going to that BBQ place again that we went to a while back |
| 18:37.07 | mindjuju-cereal | oh yeah! Goodwood, man that's some good eats |
| 18:37.41 | tierra | yeah, that was some good stuff |
| 18:37.50 | mindjuju-cereal | funny you should mention bbq, i was thinking we should do q4u some time |
| 18:37.50 | mindjuju-cereal | Utah Valley is the one after this one, mgeary |
| 18:38.04 | mindjuju-cereal | @mgeary got a place in mind for utah valley? |
| 18:38.54 | mgeary | well, i voted for Kneaders last time, but since i'm not on the email list, it prolly didn't sink in |
| 18:39.36 | mindjuju-cereal | actually, I think kneaders was on the list, but only had like 2 votes |
| 18:39.55 | mindjuju-cereal | that's the soup place, right? |
| 18:40.03 | mgeary | no. sandwiches |
| 18:40.06 | mgeary | way good |
| 18:40.16 | mgeary | but hey, i'm easy |
| 18:40.32 | mgeary | or at least, that's what my wife tells me |
| 18:40.35 | tierra | I'm back to working on Fridays again, so Goodwood would put me at a 2+ hour lunch driving from Bountiful :( |
| 18:41.24 | tierra | though I can actually still manage that (I set my hours) so long as I'm willing to make the drive |
| 18:41.48 | mgeary | you're talking about Goodwood by the University Mall? |
| 18:41.49 | mindjuju-cereal | brb |
| 18:42.13 | tierra | I was thinking the one in Sandy (the only one I know about) |
| 18:42.19 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:42.24 | mgeary | was gonna say |
| 18:42.28 | tierra | which was the one we had a UPHPU lunch at once before already |
| 18:43.14 | mindjuju-cereal | well, it's suppose to be this Friday (according to the calendar), but since i forgot to setup up last week, we could do this friday or next |
| 18:43.43 | mindjuju-cereal | and it is the turn of this Sandy's turn, so it could be Goodwood |
| 18:53.46 | mgeary | what's the diff. between ctime and mtime? |
| 18:54.49 | tierra | ctime = creation time, mtime = last modified time |
| 18:55.11 | mgeary | ah, the docs here say ctime is the "changed time" which sounds a lot like "modified time" |
| 18:55.29 | mgeary | typo, i presume |
| 18:56.42 | tierra | oh, I was wrong |
| 18:56.47 | tierra | docs are right |
| 18:56.55 | mgeary | okay, then my question stands.... |
| 18:57.05 | tierra | but I figured it out |
| 18:57.26 | tierra | ctime includes any changes to file permissions, owner, etc.. |
| 18:57.34 | tierra | mtime is file contents modification time |
| 18:57.45 | mgeary | so what *is* the creation time? |
| 18:58.02 | tierra | first google hit says: "In UNIX, it is not possible to tell the actual creation time of a file." |
| 18:58.43 | mgeary | interesting, so what is generally used for it? |
| 18:58.58 | mgeary | mtime? |
| 18:59.16 | tierra | sure, I guess |
| 19:01.12 | tierra | looks like 'ls' uses mtime by default, ctime with -c, and atime with -u |
| 19:06.49 | mgeary | k. thanks |
| 19:08.39 | mgeary | anyone here ever worked with DirectoryIterator? |
| 19:08.40 | mgeary | from SPL? |
| 19:09.05 | mgeary | ah, nevermind. found it |
| 19:17.47 | thebigdog | mindjuju-cereal, you around? |
| 19:18.26 | thebigdog | ~wake mindjuju-cereal |
| 19:18.30 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju-cereal and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 19:19.29 | mgeary | cereal, huh |
| 19:20.30 | mgeary | cereal poll: what's yer favorite milk-soused, sugar-infused, crunch-a-licious breakfast cereal? |
| 19:20.44 | thebigdog | french toast cruch |
| 19:20.48 | _psychic_ | mgeary: Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs |
| 19:20.57 | mgeary | _psychic_: you and Calvin, eh? |
| 19:21.00 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 19:21.04 | _psychic_ | In Coke. |
| 19:21.08 | mgeary | ewww |
| 19:21.10 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 19:21.28 | mgeary | true story-- on my mission there was this *huge* guy from Germany. He would eat the equivalent of: |
| 19:21.46 | mgeary | Cocoa Puffs in chocolate milk WITH chocolate sprinkles (like you'd put on a cupcake) |
| 19:22.29 | mgeary | Life is good, but Cinnamon Life is much better |
| 19:25.00 | _psychic_ | honey bunches of oats |
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| 19:54.44 | _psychic_ | Does anyone have bodily fluids in their servers? |
| 19:54.56 | _psychic_ | Is this some new cooling technique I'm not hip on? |
| 19:54.57 | thebigdog | i have pixie dust in mine |
| 19:55.11 | mgeary | eww |
| 19:55.18 | _psychic_ | I'd be lying if I told you I didn't want to take a leak on a server once and a while. |
| 19:55.39 | thebigdog | hell i want to shoot mine |
| 19:55.51 | Lone_Wanderer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Strangelove_or:_How_I_Learned_to_Stop_Worrying_and_Love_the_Bomb |
| 19:56.21 | Lone_Wanderer | "mine shaft gap" and "precious bodily fluids" are both references to that movie. |
| 19:56.28 | Lone_Wanderer | ~nerdschool _psychic_ |
| 19:56.30 | jbot | ACTION chains _psychic_ to a molded-fiberglass all-in-one desk/chair, fills his backpack with sci-fi and fantasy novels, and plants him in Norm Bangerter's Elementary Physics class for re-indoctrination. |
| 19:56.31 | mgeary | Peter Sellers++ |
| 19:56.57 | mgeary | ~karma mgeary |
| 19:56.57 | jbot | mgeary has neutral karma |
| 19:57.07 | mgeary | well, that's alright for a Monday, i suppose |
| 19:57.11 | Lone_Wanderer | You keep doing that to me :( |
| 19:57.16 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 19:57.29 | _psychic_ | I had to get you back for the Dark Wizard comment, mister. |
| 19:57.47 | Lone_Wanderer | That kind of email indicates that I'm bored at work. |
| 19:58.01 | _psychic_ | come work over here then |
| 19:58.05 | _psychic_ | I have plenty for you to do |
| 19:58.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, I've got work to do. |
| 19:58.17 | Lone_Wanderer | It's just boring work. |
| 19:58.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Adding validation to some forms. Wheee. |
| 19:59.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, well. |
| 19:59.30 | Lone_Wanderer | They're using the Zend framework, which apparently is Too Good to do form validation. |
| 19:59.46 | _psychic_ | The first problem with ZF is that it is *not* a framework. |
| 19:59.56 | _psychic_ | Its like calling PEAR a framework. |
| 19:59.58 | _psychic_ | Please. |
| 20:00.02 | Lone_Wanderer | N-word please. |
| 20:00.12 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 20:00.29 | _psychic_ | I got some good dirt for my next blog article btw |
| 20:00.42 | Lone_Wanderer | cool, what's it going to be on? |
| 20:00.53 | _psychic_ | Ralph Yarro was on KUER |
| 20:00.59 | _psychic_ | it was the awesomeness |
| 20:00.59 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh |
| 20:01.06 | mgeary | Doug Fabrizio++ |
| 20:01.08 | Lone_Wanderer | he's the SCO/CP80 guy right? |
| 20:01.16 | _psychic_ | I found some great cp80 vids too |
| 20:01.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Doug Fabrizio is awesome. |
| 20:01.30 | _psychic_ | It was with Dan |
| 20:01.35 | mgeary | ah |
| 20:01.36 | _psychic_ | who also did pretty good |
| 20:01.41 | _psychic_ | Bammis (sp?) |
| 20:01.41 | mgeary | did he smack him around a bit? |
| 20:01.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, I heard that one. |
| 20:01.49 | mgeary | Bommis, maybe |
| 20:01.54 | Lone_Wanderer | With the XMission guy right? |
| 20:02.00 | _psychic_ | yeah pete ashdown |
| 20:02.10 | _psychic_ | and a brit |
| 20:02.13 | _psychic_ | who was spectacular |
| 20:02.17 | _psychic_ | all the callers were right on |
| 20:02.20 | _psychic_ | except for a Matthew |
| 20:02.29 | _psychic_ | which I'm 90% sure was one Matthew Yarro |
| 20:02.31 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 20:02.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I loved the guy who said "This isn't about (whatever), it's about control. If you're a parent, grow some balls and take responsibility." |
| 20:03.08 | Lone_Wanderer | It was so great to hear so many reasonable callers. |
| 20:03.53 | _psychic_ | fo sho |
| 20:04.04 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway, lunch time is running out, gotta go get some actual food |
| 20:04.11 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 20:06.38 | _psychic_ | did I not get the memo that lunch is now at 2:00? |
| 20:07.02 | mgeary-lunch | apparently |
| 20:30.11 | mindjuju | k, sorry gents, my wife was out of town all weekend, and just came by the office, so was talking with her |
| 20:30.20 | mindjuju | @ thebigdog , sup yo |
| 20:32.09 | mindjuju | Now taking nominations for a draper-sandy place for geek lunch |
| 20:33.09 | mgeary-lunch | Guad's |
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| 20:46.03 | mindjuju | Guad's? |
| 20:46.20 | mindjuju | oh, like guadalahonkey's in draper? |
| 20:46.21 | thebigdog | mindjuju, answer your msgs |
| 20:46.27 | herlo | mindjuju: Zupas |
| 20:46.39 | mindjuju | thebigdog, i did send back PM |
| 20:46.41 | herlo | right next to Cafe Rio in Draper |
| 20:46.43 | mindjuju | are you not seeing it? |
| 20:46.54 | thebigdog | nope |
| 20:46.54 | mgeary | mindjuju: yeah |
| 20:46.58 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you using gaim? |
| 20:47.01 | mgeary | i like Guads |
| 20:47.02 | mindjuju | Zupas could be cool, never been there. |
| 20:47.11 | mindjuju | thebigdog, i am using GAIM |
| 20:47.24 | thebigdog | nope they are not coming back |
| 20:48.36 | thebigdog | mindjuju, you need a real irc client |
| 20:48.57 | mindjuju | yeah, except that i have all my clients piped into this |
| 20:49.01 | mindjuju | hang on quick sec |
| 20:49.43 | thebigdog | your my client not the other way around |
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| 20:52.33 | thebigdog | ~smack mindjuju for not using a real irc client |
| 20:52.45 | jbot | ACTION smacks mindjuju for not using a real irc client upside the head. |
| 20:52.45 | thebigdog | ~feed herlo |
| 20:52.48 | jbot | ACTION offers herlo some horseraddish |
| 20:52.58 | mindjuju | k, so when i closed my client, it wiped out everybody's nomination, but from what I recall, we have Zupas ( herlo ), Guad's ( mgeary ), Goodwood ( tierra ). |
| 20:53.39 | mindjuju | anybody else have a nomination? Also, technically, it should have been this Friday, should we do it this friday or next friday? |
| 20:53.44 | herlo | mindjuju: btw, Zupas is very good and has quite an amazing selection of sandwiches soups and salads... |
| 20:53.56 | herlo | We should do it the 21st |
| 20:53.58 | herlo | :) |
| 20:54.00 | herlo | then I can go |
| 20:54.09 | herlo | er the 20th |
| 20:54.23 | mindjuju | well, Zupas is also Fungus - friendly so that would be good |
| 20:54.41 | herlo | true that |
| 20:54.58 | fungus | Yay, fungus - friendly. I get my own term. |
| 20:55.05 | mindjuju | course though, Guad's has a veggie plate |
| 20:55.42 | mindjuju | i know this is going to sound wierd, but since we've started to do geek lunches, i've kept my eye out for veggie plates so i know if it's Fungus friendly or no |
| 20:55.47 | Lone_Wanderer | one veggie option doesn't seem that friendly to me... |
| 20:56.07 | mindjuju | yeah, but better than Goodwood, which isn't any Fungus Friendly |
| 20:56.18 | fungus | Yeah, Goodwood is scary. |
| 20:56.36 | fungus | Zupa's sounds really good though. |
| 20:56.36 | mindjuju | and as much as I love Goodwood , looking for Fungus friendly so he can go |
| 20:58.17 | herlo | Lone_Wanderer: there are many veggie options at Zupas, many soups are veggie people friendly |
| 20:58.26 | herlo | (veggie people) = fungus |
| 20:58.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Right. |
| 20:58.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I was talking about Guad's veggie plate. |
| 20:58.51 | herlo | Lone_Wanderer: oh |
| 21:00.36 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm native texas so it's impossible for me to be veggie person |
| 21:00.49 | mindjuju | w00t! i got a refund for being overcharged by ICANN! |
| 21:01.14 | mindjuju | I get $.03 back! I think i'll take that in check form |
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| 21:14.29 | mgeary | hrm |
| 21:14.42 | mgeary | so, i'm using the zip functionality to make zip archives serverside |
| 21:15.07 | mgeary | and it appears to not have any native support for adding directories, only files |
| 21:15.10 | mindjuju | and a little ajax hawtness autoFill on the front? |
| 21:15.11 | mgeary | what a pain |
| 21:15.17 | mgeary | uh, no |
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| 21:40.18 | mindjuju | that's the day after the uphpu meet though |
| 21:40.33 | mindjuju | and we always go out for a "bite" after the uphpu meet |
| 21:41.02 | mindjuju | k, hang on herlo |
| 21:41.09 | herlo | ;) |
| 21:41.13 | mindjuju | you do have a right to vote |
| 21:41.19 | mindjuju | and don't want to disenfranchise you |
| 21:41.53 | herlo | and more time to play |
| 21:41.54 | mindjuju | however, we usually try to do the geek lunch first friday of the month |
| 21:42.00 | mindjuju | i would love to travel, btw |
| 21:42.10 | herlo | mindjuju: come join us |
| 21:42.13 | mindjuju | could you do it this friday? |
| 21:42.57 | mindjuju | yipes |
| 21:42.58 | herlo | on Friday no less |
| 21:43.43 | herlo | s/ee/e/g |
| 21:44.06 | mgeary | it's official: i rock |
| 21:44.57 | herlo | as long as mgeary votes for May 18 |
| 21:45.18 | mgeary | heh |
| 21:45.19 | mindjuju | <inBeavisVoice>Mgeary said extend</inBeavisVoice> |
| 21:45.19 | herlo | all will be well |
| 21:45.19 | herlo | hehehe heeheh |
| 21:45.19 | herlo | extend |
| 21:45.34 | herlo | that's a good Bea^H^H^H mindjuju |
| 21:45.51 | mindjuju | i think that's what the world needs right now |
| 21:45.57 | mindjuju | some Beavis and Butthead reruns |
| 21:46.22 | herlo | oh yeah! |
| 21:46.30 | herlo | I need teepee for my bunhole |
| 21:46.36 | herlo | bunghole |
| 21:46.39 | herlo | :) |
| 21:47.32 | mindjuju | nah, was trying to find the line for the piccata line from the movie |
| 21:48.17 | mindjuju | havent seen the movie? |
| 21:48.35 | mindjuju | that's movie is true to the cartoon. |
| 21:49.13 | herlo | I bet |
| 21:50.45 | herlo | which means he arose this morning at 4am MDT |
| 21:50.58 | mindjuju | yuck |
| 21:53.12 | jsmith | herlo: w00t! Welcome to the land of the early risers! |
| 22:09.22 | mindjuju | hey, are there any performance penalties for having long field names like fld_thisAndOrThatorWhatever ? |
| 22:09.46 | thebigdog | there might be size limitations |
| 22:10.07 | mindjuju | i think with SQL Server, it goes up to 64 characters |
| 22:10.19 | mindjuju | but as long as I don't hit that, there shouldn't be any probs? |
| 22:19.04 | thebigdog | right |
| 22:19.19 | thebigdog | i prefer small names that are meaning full |
| 22:21.47 | mgeary | small is good, but unambiguous is better |
| 22:22.28 | mgeary | i do have some field names like, "master_project_id" |
| 22:22.44 | mgeary | which i think is much better than something like, "maProID" |
| 22:23.23 | thebigdog | y |
| 22:23.45 | thebigdog | i just have naming conventions for all my tables, fields, sequences, functions...etc |
| 22:28.40 | thebigdog | ~simplify mindjuju |
| 22:29.53 | mindjuju | simplify simplify - that's what i always say |
| 22:30.12 | mindjuju | well, and therou |
| 22:39.01 | herlo | jsmith: why thank you, I've been here before and I'll be here again |
| 22:39.14 | jsmith | herlo: w00t! |
| 22:39.19 | jsmith | herlo: Where are you this week? |
| 22:39.43 | herlo | mindjuju would be wrong |
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| 22:40.11 | mindjuju | ah well |
| 22:41.24 | jsmith | herlo: Indy is nice.. |
| 22:41.39 | herlo | jsmith: any recommendations? |
| 22:41.40 | optikal | hay guys.. not a php question, but kinda stumped here.. I'm trying to modify the KeepAlive Timeout on Apache but its not taking.. I read here in the Apache2 documentation to use the KeepAliveTimeout directive, but when I set a timeout with that it doesn't change.. I'm checking to see if its changed by checking the value of $_SERVER['HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE'].. any clue as to what I'm doing wrong? |
| 22:42.04 | jsmith | herlo: Nope... I don't have any favorites there yet. |
| 22:42.40 | Lone_Wanderer | So, I've got this task I have to do for work, right? |
| 22:42.45 | Lone_Wanderer | It says "1. Add form validation and error reporting to the following forms" |
| 22:43.10 | Lone_Wanderer | and then lists a couple forms. No problem, I go in and add some basic validation to ensure that all the fields are filled in. |
| 22:44.11 | Lone_Wanderer | But I don't know whether or not this particular project is work for hire or if it's under our standard "we still own the code" contract. The practical upshot of not knowing this is that if it's work for hire I can't put our standard validate_email function into it, 'cause if it is and I do then it becomes their property. |
| 22:44.47 | Lone_Wanderer | So I put a note in our bug/task tracking thing saying "Okay this is done, not sure if we can add the email validation or not, let me know when we've got confirmation either way." |
| 22:44.50 | mgeary | you can't discuss the concept of a license with them? |
| 22:45.21 | Lone_Wanderer | We can, but interfacing with the client is someone else's job. So I just put in that note for their benefit. |
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| 22:45.27 | mgeary | k |
| 22:45.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, that was this morning. Just now, I get an IM from Customer Interaction Lady. |
| 22:45.54 | mindjuju | yeah, kinda like on office space... nobody talks to the engineers. I have people skills dang it! |
| 22:46.00 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:46.59 | Lone_Wanderer | "I talked to (boss) about your not following through with the email validation thing. We don't have an answer, but please follow through with all tasks thoroughly." |
| 22:47.11 | mindjuju | WTH |
| 22:47.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I don't get it either. |
| 22:47.44 | mgeary | "we don't have an answer, but please do what the answer will be before getting it" |
| 22:48.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently after I wrote that she added "Go ahead and add email validation" to the notes on the task, and then chewed me out for not seeing them. |
| 22:48.27 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway. looks like we get to "review" now. |
| 22:48.39 | mindjuju | i'd write an email (CYA reasons) to her, with the Boss CC'd saying that if you followed her steps it would represent a considerable loss of company IP |
| 22:49.00 | mindjuju | and that you need authorization |
| 22:49.39 | mindjuju | or an appropriate answer to your question |
| 22:53.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I was thinking of just talking to Mac about it tomorrow, or whenever I see him next. |
| 22:54.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Because I get this kind of crap from her all the time. |
| 22:54.30 | mindjuju | do you work with Mac? |
| 22:54.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, he's one of the owners of the company. |
| 22:55.20 | mindjuju | oh, cool, didn't know you worked for code greene |
| 22:55.24 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 22:55.33 | mindjuju | oh, then yeah, i'd talk to him |
| 22:55.51 | mindjuju | though from a corporate standpoint, i would still send out an email saying no and why |
| 22:56.03 | mindjuju | otherwise it gets construed as bad communication skills |
| 22:56.06 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 22:56.09 | mindjuju | and that you dropped the ball |
| 22:56.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, there are a lot of miscommunications between she and I. |
| 22:56.41 | mindjuju | sound like she's prolly just difficult to work with |
| 22:56.43 | Lone_Wanderer | So I'm sure that I'm at least as at fault for not expressing myself clearly. |
| 22:56.47 | Lone_Wanderer | No, not really. |
| 22:56.58 | Lone_Wanderer | She's just got a degree in English and no background in computer science. |
| 22:57.36 | Lone_Wanderer | So I say things like "Well we can't test this because we have to wait for the customer to upload the code in order for us to see our changes." |
| 22:57.45 | Lone_Wanderer | And that turns into "The code is ready for the customer to test." |
| 22:57.58 | mindjuju | heh, yup |
| 22:59.49 | mgeary | that's why i like IM. i keep a record of all dialogs |
| 22:59.49 | mgeary | i can prove what i said :) |
| 22:59.52 | Lone_Wanderer | And me saying "Hey can I use our boilerplate email validation code in this?" becomes "Dan doesn't want to add email validation." |
| 22:59.54 | mindjuju | oh, that's funny. i figured out why there are problems sometimes when talking to a non computer person |
| 23:00.02 | Lone_Wanderer | why's that? |
| 23:00.20 | mindjuju | well, words don't mean the same things English and Programming in English are 2 different languages |
| 23:00.24 | mindjuju | like take the word OR |
| 23:00.46 | mindjuju | what does OR mean for a database? |
| 23:01.02 | mindjuju | see, then compare that to what OR means in english, not the same |
| 23:01.27 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, I've wanted, for a long time, to get up in testimony meeting in church and say "Brothers and Sister, the church is not true. It is an organization, and organizations can't be evaluated for truth or falsehood." |
| 23:01.34 | Lone_Wanderer | sisters* |
| 23:01.52 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:02.37 | optikal | Gah! Anyone have any idea how to increase the _SERVER['HTTP_KEEP_ALIVE']? It's not KeepAliveTimout.. |
| 23:02.49 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't think you can, it's an Apache setting. |
| 23:02.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Are you sure you mean the KeepAlive setting? |
| 23:02.55 | optikal | I keep getting this: Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 300 seconds exceeded in /var/www/security-kits/newshop/include/blowfish.php on line 624 when trying to upgrade our cart software. |
| 23:03.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, that's not the KeepAlive setting, it's MaxExecutionTime, which is a PHP setting. |
| 23:03.20 | mindjuju | was just going to say that |
| 23:03.37 | Lone_Wanderer | KeepAlive keeps the connection open after a request has been processed so that subsequent requests go through more quickly. |
| 23:03.38 | optikal | Yeah, I've already got that set though |
| 23:03.45 | optikal | max_execution_time = 600 ; Maximum execution time of each script, in seconds |
| 23:03.51 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: yah, its a matter of semantics, but I agree with you |
| 23:03.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Set it to 0. |
| 23:04.24 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog: The reason I've never said it is because it's just an argument over semantics, and if you talked to anyone about it for two minutes they'd agree with me but would say that it's a silly thing to even discuss because we all know what they mean. |
| 23:04.30 | beandog | right. |
| 23:05.00 | Lone_Wanderer | But, come on, I'm a programmer. "You know what I mean" is somewhere between "just stupid" and "a sin against God". |
| 23:05.21 | beandog | heh |
| 23:05.41 | tierra | optikal: it's possible the Cart software itself changes the max_execution_time |
| 23:06.02 | optikal | tierra: I've checked all the .htaccess files, would that be the only way it could change it? |
| 23:06.14 | tierra | no, you can do it in the PHP code itself |
| 23:06.31 | Lone_Wanderer | just grep for max_execution_time or whatever it is. |
| 23:06.32 | Lone_Wanderer | with -i set |
| 23:06.42 | mgeary | optikal: what is the symptom you're trying to remove/resolve? |
| 23:06.42 | beandog | ini_set('max_execution_time', 86400); |
| 23:06.49 | tierra | yeah, like that |
| 23:07.08 | tierra | or with set_time_limit() |
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| 23:07.10 | optikal | mgeary: I get "Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 300 seconds exceeded" while trying to do an upgrade on our cart software |
| 23:07.35 | mgeary | yeah, set_time_limit(0); |
| 23:07.36 | optikal | mgeary: and hard setting it to 600 and restarting didn't resolve it |
| 23:07.47 | mgeary | are you on IIS, perchance? |
| 23:07.54 | optikal | ooh no, apache2 |
| 23:08.00 | mgeary | on WIndows? |
| 23:08.05 | mgeary | or *nix? |
| 23:08.07 | optikal | negatory, Debian |
| 23:08.10 | mgeary | ok |
| 23:08.38 | mgeary | but your error is coming from PHP, not Apache |
| 23:09.03 | mgeary | so you'd want to change your timeout duration |
| 23:09.17 | mgeary | but you need to make sure you're not running in Safe Mode |
| 23:09.27 | optikal | woooop~ there it is.. set_time_limit(300); in the install.php |
| 23:09.48 | mgeary | :) |
| 23:09.53 | mgeary | cool |
| 23:10.05 | optikal | Should be it, just need to change it and retest (another 5min wait heh) |
| 23:12.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmmm. |
| 23:12.32 | Lone_Wanderer | The shopping cart thread has got me thinking. |
| 23:12.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone should make a cart framework. |
| 23:12.50 | mgeary | i've heard good things about X-cart |
| 23:13.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Not a readymade solution, because those (like Mac's email) almost always suck |
| 23:13.10 | optikal | We're pretty happy with X-Cart |
| 23:13.15 | optikal | Been using it for 3yrs now |
| 23:13.18 | Lone_Wanderer | just a toolkit that will allow you to roll your own cart pretty easily. |
| 23:13.25 | Lone_Wanderer | is X-Cart like that, or... what? I've never heard of it. |
| 23:13.32 | mgeary | my only (unfounded?) beef is that x-cart looks like it might want to be *too* much |
| 23:13.42 | Lone_Wanderer | brb |
| 23:13.45 | mgeary | i don't know what it would take to do something really simple with x-cart |
| 23:13.52 | optikal | Naah, its a whole packaged cart in PHP/Smarty |
| 23:14.21 | optikal | Most things are parted out into modules, so you can easily disable the heavier stuff to decrease load averages and whatnot |
| 23:14.35 | optikal | Its pretty robust, definitely does what we need |
| 23:18.19 | mgeary | later folks |
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