| 00:12.30 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 00:16.57 | bradym | yeah |
| 00:18.13 | mindjuju | i'm running a win 2k3 server and trying to install a printer driver. the server is 32 bit. so, on the website where i get the printer driver, it has two options |
| 00:18.30 | mindjuju | blahblahblah x64_64bit Driver |
| 00:18.41 | mindjuju | and blahblahblah x64_32bit Driver |
| 00:18.57 | mindjuju | but i thought x64 was also a designator for 64 bit? |
| 00:19.17 | bradym | so did i, that's wierd |
| 00:19.41 | bradym | don't have any experience with win2k3.. i may not be much help here |
| 00:20.16 | bradym | but i'd try the 32bit driver if it doesn't list anything specifically for 2k3 |
| 00:20.41 | mindjuju | yeah, that's the one i'm going to try |
| 00:21.07 | mindjuju | at least now, though, if something goes wrong and the server goes rabid, i can blame it on you |
| 00:22.30 | mindjuju | jk |
| 00:29.25 | bradym | hey, i gave my disclaimer :P |
| 00:31.02 | mindjuju | jk |
| 00:31.13 | mindjuju | didn't go rogue, so i'm cool |
| 00:37.58 | bradym | good :) |
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| 00:53.40 | mindjuju | man, what i wouldn't give for Ironman |
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| 03:18.25 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 03:57.59 | mindjuju | can you think of any reason for storing a int of a state abbreviation as opposed to storing just the state abbreviation? |
| 03:59.56 | burnin | int? |
| 04:00.03 | mindjuju | integer |
| 04:00.08 | burnin | what is an integer of a state abreviation? |
| 04:00.35 | mindjuju | |fld_stateID|fld_stateName| |
| 04:00.51 | mindjuju | |1|Alabama| |
| 04:00.51 | mindjuju | |2|Arkansas| |
| 04:00.51 | mindjuju | etc |
| 04:01.08 | mindjuju | i'm just cleaning up this database and see a lot of wierd stuff |
| 04:01.28 | burnin | hmm, seems unnecessary to me, the state name should be indexed, shouldn't need an id. |
| 04:01.48 | mindjuju | yeah, that's what I was thinking |
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| 15:51.06 | jbot | hmm... swb is UPHPU's resident webmistress |
| 15:51.18 | mgeary | i thought that was wps |
| 15:51.26 | wps | hey now |
| 15:51.55 | mgeary | well, not "-mistress" |
| 15:52.02 | mgeary | but i thought you were the web dude |
| 15:53.41 | wps | I am |
| 15:53.57 | wps | she is the webmistress because she is basically the only active woman in the group |
| 15:54.03 | mgeary | aah |
| 15:54.09 | wps | she's the webmistress… just not UPHPU's webmistress |
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| 16:18.13 | PoeticIntensity | So.... Is there a "Scott Hill" here? |
| 16:18.22 | PoeticIntensity | just curious to learn who ya'll are. |
| 16:18.38 | PoeticIntensity | anyone....... anyone..... |
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| 16:18.47 | PoeticIntensity | Bueller..... Beuller..... |
| 16:19.12 | PoeticIntensity | I just responded to a post of his on the mailing list. |
| 18:06.28 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 18:38.23 | fungus | ~lart jbot |
| 18:38.23 | jbot | beats fungus severely about the head and shoulders with a rubber chicken |
| 18:43.44 | wps | how stupid: http://www.slideshare.net/ |
| 18:43.51 | wps | a YouTube for presentations? |
| 18:43.56 | wps | who the crap wants to watch presentations? |
| 18:44.03 | wps | they are painful enough during meetings! |
| 18:44.33 | wps | I bet Microsoft is behind it as an effort to pump PowerPoint :) |
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| 18:50.08 | mindjuju | that powerpoint share site is dumb |
| 18:53.16 | mindjuju | you know what though, i think that I'm going to post my powerpoint of World Domination |
| 18:53.19 | mindjuju | see what happens |
| 18:53.29 | jsmith | I wonder how Google's new powerpoint share site is going to be |
| 18:53.39 | mindjuju | yeah, me too |
| 18:53.57 | wps | Google's creating one? |
| 18:53.58 | mindjuju | i was really tempted to get their online office package before |
| 18:54.02 | wps | is there really a market for that? |
| 18:54.03 | jsmith | Hopefully my coworkers and I can do collaborative editing |
| 18:54.09 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 18:54.12 | wps | oh… you mean their pp software |
| 18:54.15 | mindjuju | liek with their spreadsheet |
| 18:54.16 | wps | (not share site) |
| 18:54.17 | wps | sorry |
| 18:54.32 | mindjuju | wps, did you see some of the other things they are going to have |
| 18:54.44 | mindjuju | project management, vid conferencign, really cool |
| 18:54.59 | wps | really? I haven't heard anything about Google project management |
| 18:55.04 | mindjuju | i posted a link a couple of days ago talking about their recent aquisitions and what they likely mean |
| 18:55.12 | mindjuju | hang on quick sec |
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| 18:58.07 | mindjuju | wps, here is that article about the new stuff coming from google |
| 18:58.08 | mindjuju | 18:39.14 mindjuju interesting article about 8 new google aps headed this way http://webworkerdaily.com/2007/04/21/eight-google-apps-in-your-future/ |
| 19:04.10 | mindjuju | hey thebigdog , you around? |
| 19:04.15 | thebigdog | y |
| 19:04.25 | mindjuju | quick database question, if you have a moment |
| 19:04.30 | thebigdog | y |
| 19:04.57 | mindjuju | I have a table that looks like |accountID|accountTypeID|firstname|lastname|etc| |
| 19:05.15 | thebigdog | k |
| 19:05.34 | mindjuju | now, i need to know the count of the various kinds of accounts, as documented by the accountTypeID field |
| 19:06.04 | mgeary | select count(someTable.accountTypeID) from someTable group by someTable.accountTypeID |
| 19:06.25 | thebigdog | k |
| 19:07.09 | mindjuju | for some reason seems like that was giving me trouble when I tried, but i see something different in mgeary's structure |
| 19:07.14 | mindjuju | i'll try that real quick |
| 19:07.28 | thebigdog | y |
| 19:08.08 | jsmith | Actually, you'll probably want SELECT someTable.accountType, count(1) FROM someTable GROUP BY someTable.accountTypeID |
| 19:08.17 | jsmith | So that'll it give you the names *and* the counts |
| 19:10.24 | mindjuju | k, thx to all, that worked. |
| 19:10.49 | thebigdog | +1 jsmith |
| 19:10.55 | thebigdog | +1 mgeary |
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| 19:11.36 | jsmith | All I did was steal mgeary's query and tweak it |
| 19:12.00 | mgeary | well, it's not like it was super complex. i'm sure mindjuju just had a typo or such |
| 19:12.06 | mindjuju | it was good tag team |
| 19:12.14 | jsmith | That's what the channel is for! |
| 19:12.15 | mindjuju | well, it was closer to 4a when I hit the prob |
| 19:12.22 | mgeary | exactly |
| 19:12.26 | jsmith | I was up... |
| 19:12.27 | mindjuju | got mad and left to get some sleep |
| 19:12.32 | mindjuju | at 4a? |
| 19:12.38 | mindjuju | oh, Virginia is EST |
| 19:12.44 | jsmith | Exactly :-) |
| 19:12.58 | mindjuju | still, 7a is mighty earlier |
| 19:13.03 | mgeary | who's in Virgina? |
| 19:13.07 | mindjuju | jsmith |
| 19:13.14 | mgeary | cool, what town? |
| 19:13.27 | mgeary | i was *this* close to moving to Charlottesville. Very cool place |
| 19:13.43 | mindjuju | and i'm VERY jealous. I used to live near Lexington, right in the middle of the Blue Ridge Parkway |
| 19:13.58 | jsmith | mgeary: I'm 'bout halfway between Richmond and D.C. |
| 19:14.04 | jsmith | mgeary: near Fredericksburg |
| 19:14.14 | mgeary | ah |
| 19:14.15 | jsmith | mgeary: Charlottesville is very cool |
| 19:14.19 | thebigdog | i want to move to roanoke |
| 19:14.25 | thebigdog | or whatever it is called |
| 19:15.02 | mgeary | 'cause of the mysteriously-disappeared colony? |
| 19:15.31 | thebigdog | naw...just a beautiful place |
| 19:15.40 | thebigdog | or 'very cool place' |
| 19:16.18 | mgeary | so, jsmith, you were formerly in Utah? |
| 19:16.37 | jsmith | Yeah... for most of the past 10 years |
| 19:16.48 | mgeary | ah |
| 19:16.52 | thebigdog | then he bails on me |
| 19:16.52 | jsmith | thebigdog: Yeah, it's nice too |
| 19:17.01 | jsmith | thebigdog: Sorry, man. |
| 19:17.16 | thebigdog | he just wants to make the most $$$ is all |
| 19:17.25 | jsmith | thebigdog: That's why I still hang out in here... I may be physically absent, but I'm here in spirit |
| 19:17.40 | thebigdog | yeah...with much dinero |
| 19:17.41 | jsmith | thebigdog: No, I don't make as much money as you think I do. |
| 19:17.45 | mgeary | in C-ville, the homes were about exactly twice what you'd pay in Utah |
| 19:17.54 | jsmith | thebigdog: Besides, the cost of living is a nightmare out here |
| 19:18.02 | thebigdog | yeah i can imagine |
| 19:18.08 | jsmith | mgeary: Yeah... even worse when you get closer to D.C. |
| 19:18.11 | thebigdog | colorado was that way for me too |
| 19:18.12 | mgeary | i'll bet |
| 19:18.12 | mindjuju | COL in virginia, high? |
| 19:18.24 | jsmith | mindjuju: This is Virginia, not Arkansas |
| 19:18.41 | mindjuju | funny you say Arkansas, spent 2 years there |
| 19:18.42 | thebigdog | i would live in arkansas too |
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| 19:19.01 | mindjuju | Arkansas is the best, way better than those places in South America |
| 19:19.10 | mindjuju | that's why the ALRM rox the planet |
| 19:19.27 | thebigdog | i could pretty much live anywhere i have decided |
| 19:19.40 | thebigdog | i just need a good woman, kids, and a stiff drink |
| 19:19.48 | mgeary | i couldn't live in the plains, i don't think |
| 19:19.49 | mindjuju | too funny |
| 19:19.51 | jsmith | thebigdog: And a network connection! |
| 19:19.57 | mindjuju | yeah, plains no |
| 19:20.02 | thebigdog | yes...t1 to the house |
| 19:20.02 | jsmith | mgeary: Yeah, I miss the mountains |
| 19:20.05 | mindjuju | and high desert wasteland no |
| 19:20.30 | thebigdog | alaska and the patagonia were my fav to live |
| 19:20.31 | mgeary | and Los Angeles is right out |
| 19:20.40 | mgeary | though SF and NYC would be okay by me |
| 19:20.46 | thebigdog | yeah im not a big fan of it...but lived there for years |
| 19:21.02 | thebigdog | sf is great...i loved it there |
| 19:21.31 | mindjuju | ~ALRM |
| 19:21.42 | mindjuju | jbot, ALRM is the Arkansas Little Rock Mission, best mission this side of the equator |
| 19:21.44 | jbot | mindjuju: okay |
| 19:21.46 | mgeary | but i'd love to be in London, or anywhere in Switzerland. Sydney, Australia is very nice too |
| 19:22.35 | thebigdog | mgeary, yea i would love to live in those places |
| 19:22.35 | thebigdog | spain would be good for me too |
| 19:22.35 | thebigdog | i would love ireland |
| 19:22.36 | thebigdog | denmark would be fun for me too |
| 19:22.36 | thebigdog | or norway |
| 19:22.39 | jsmith | thebigdog: Spain or Scotland for me, if we're talking Europe |
| 19:22.39 | mgeary | yeah, pretty much anywhere in Europe |
| 19:22.49 | thebigdog | scotland would be killer |
| 19:23.01 | mgeary | Edinburgh is way beautiful |
| 19:23.04 | thebigdog | im not sure about the soviet reps though...like croatia and such |
| 19:23.22 | thebigdog | germany would be fine though |
| 19:23.23 | mgeary | with this huge mountain/hill looming up over the city. It's completely smooth and grassy on one side, and a huge cliff on the other |
| 19:27.37 | beandog | I hate tables. |
| 19:27.37 | beandog | I hate CSS. |
| 19:27.40 | beandog | Nothing works. |
| 19:27.42 | beandog | bah. |
| 19:28.31 | beandog | Lets just go back to either plaintext or use flash everywhere. |
| 19:28.31 | beandog | and I'm not really in favor of flash all that much. |
| 19:28.31 | mindjuju | i think everything was better when things were |
| 19:28.46 | mindjuju | <marquee>Using the Marquee!</marquee> and <blink>!look at me</blink> tags |
| 19:28.48 | beandog | me too |
| 19:29.11 | beandog | It's a trade-off |
| 19:29.32 | beandog | I'll take two annoying HTML tags that will give you epilepsy versus 500 CSS attributes that don't work everywhere. |
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| 19:42.36 | beandog | found the problem |
| 19:42.37 | beandog | stupid doctypes. |
| 20:35.59 | thebigdog | no loner today? :( |
| 20:36.31 | mindjuju | yeah, where is that guy? |
| 20:39.36 | thebigdog | gather around...its time to haggle |
| 20:39.49 | mindjuju | haggle? |
| 20:40.04 | mindjuju | the only thing i'm looking for is crazy train and ironman |
| 20:40.17 | thebigdog | i got that album |
| 20:40.18 | mindjuju | well, and mama, i'm coming home |
| 20:40.27 | thebigdog | go that one too |
| 20:40.33 | mindjuju | hmmm... |
| 20:40.36 | mindjuju | what you looking for |
| 20:40.56 | thebigdog | nothing right now...but tonight i can get it for you |
| 20:41.25 | mindjuju | coolio, was listening to some rock, and didn't have any Ozzy |
| 20:41.49 | thebigdog | im a big fan of his |
| 20:42.15 | mindjuju | yeah, good stuff |
| 20:42.39 | mindjuju | last night i was playing everything i had |
| 20:42.44 | mindjuju | Dark side of the Moon |
| 20:42.48 | mindjuju | Delicate Sounds of Thunder |
| 20:42.53 | thebigdog | nice |
| 20:43.01 | mindjuju | The Who, Beatles, Boston |
| 20:43.06 | thebigdog | do you have all pink floyd's albums? |
| 20:43.13 | thebigdog | have any zep? |
| 20:43.17 | mindjuju | many most |
| 20:43.22 | mindjuju | psh |
| 20:43.24 | mindjuju | course |
| 20:43.36 | mindjuju | immigrant song |
| 20:43.44 | mindjuju | kashmere |
| 20:43.51 | mindjuju | i think i have the box set here, but... |
| 20:43.56 | mindjuju | you know, it's all in mp3 |
| 20:44.07 | mindjuju | cause mp3 rox the planet, not like flac or ogg |
| 20:44.08 | thebigdog | i need to look and see...all classic rock drive fried a couple years back and i'm still trying to get it all back |
| 20:44.23 | thebigdog | what bitrate is it at? |
| 20:44.25 | thebigdog | 320? |
| 20:45.28 | mindjuju | 160 |
| 20:46.08 | mindjuju | brb, gots to go to a meet |
| 21:00.22 | thebigdog | ~rlart |
| 21:00.31 | jbot | blasts macnewbold with a huge firehose then strangles macnewbold with it |
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| 21:58.13 | thebigdog | anyone know if there is a wget equivalent in dos? |
| 21:58.45 | wps | yuck… what are you doing with DOS, thebigdog? |
| 21:59.27 | thebigdog | oh i got a customer that needs some scripting...just wondering if i can do it in dos or if i need to install cygwin and write a shell script |
| 21:59.38 | wps | ah |
| 22:05.37 | fungus | http://www.gnu.org/software/wget/index.html#downloading |
| 22:05.45 | fungus | Seems someone ported it to windows already. |
| 22:06.19 | thebigdog | ty fungus |
| 22:06.52 | fungus | np, I feel sorry for you having to stoop to DOS crap. |
| 22:09.06 | tierra | it's been in cygwin forever ago |
| 22:09.11 | thebigdog | yeah im not sure what i want to do yet |
| 22:09.32 | tierra | cygwin++ btw |
| 22:09.56 | tierra | cygwin + puttycg actually |
| 22:13.52 | tierra | it's like turning your windows machine into some hybrid Windows+Linux computer, and you get the best of both worlds |
| 22:14.07 | mgeary | you say that like there's a benefit to Windows |
| 22:14.14 | thebigdog | yeah i use and abuse cygwin on a daily bases |
| 22:14.25 | _psychic_ | mgeary: you took the words right out of my mouth |
| 22:14.25 | tierra | there is... god I love WinMerge :) |
| 22:14.27 | thebigdog | cygwin makes windows better |
| 22:14.46 | tierra | and TortoiseSVN |
| 22:14.52 | tierra | and Visual C++ |
| 22:14.52 | mgeary | i have heard good things of WinMerge. However, it's good *in spite* of Windows, not because of it :) |
| 22:14.55 | tierra | I could go on |
| 22:15.10 | _psychic_ | I only use Windows for games |
| 22:15.45 | thebigdog | i love wincp |
| 22:15.46 | tierra | besides, I am required to do development on Windows anyway... |
| 22:16.00 | tierra | winscp you mean? |
| 22:16.17 | thebigdog | wincp...it is the sister |
| 22:16.20 | thebigdog | joking |
| 22:16.24 | tierra | heh |
| 22:16.44 | _psychic_ | you're required to develop on Windows? Why? |
| 22:16.48 | thebigdog | we told some guy that he needed to installed wincp and windir cause that was our standard |
| 22:17.14 | tierra | because we release software that's built for Windows |
| 22:17.33 | thebigdog | tierra, you write in wxwindows though right? |
| 22:18.01 | tierra | I like how WinSCP is easy to use and powerful, but I hate that it's not optimized at all... it's 20+ times slower than regular scp in linux (I've done the comparison) |
| 22:18.25 | tierra | thebigdog: yes, and yes we could cross-compile... but did I also mention that Visual C++ kicks ass? |
| 22:18.51 | thebigdog | oh not .NET |
| 22:19.10 | tierra | and again, TortoiseSVN... just the combination of those tools saves me such a ridiculous about of development time |
| 22:19.14 | tierra | you guys have no idea |
| 22:19.34 | thebigdog | i hate tortoisesvn |
| 22:19.49 | tierra | what?! |
| 22:19.53 | mgeary | ~stevejobsify tierra |
| 22:20.00 | jbot | ACTION drags tierra by the scruff of the neck and plants him in front row center of the Moscone Center at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address until tierras eyes glaze over and he calms down |
| 22:20.00 | thebigdog | i just dont like it hooked into explorer |
| 22:20.01 | tierra | I've never met anyone that didn't like TortoiseSVN |
| 22:20.09 | _psychic_ | I don't like SVN gui tools either :/ |
| 22:20.11 | thebigdog | i use svn directly |
| 22:20.14 | _psychic_ | gimme the cli |
| 22:20.15 | _psychic_ | exactly |
| 22:20.38 | tierra | mgeary: I'm actually sitting in front of a iMac Intel Core Duo 10.4 machine right now |
| 22:21.08 | tierra | well, I'm typing at the Windows box, but the Mac is right next to it sitting on right now |
| 22:21.09 | mgeary | ah, well then |
| 22:21.31 | tierra | sitting with Xcode open, because I also do development of the same application ported to Mac OS X |
| 22:22.18 | tierra | I have a Windows share setup so I copy my code to the Windows box when I'm done with debugging and coding on the Mac so I can use TortoiseSVN and WinMerge to handle review and commit |
| 22:22.37 | mgeary | tierra: where do you work? |
| 22:22.47 | tierra | Phoenix Project Management Systems |
| 22:23.03 | tierra | http://www.phoenixcpm.com/ |
| 22:24.02 | tierra | so we do in fact use both GCC and Visual C++'s compilers... one might think that cross-compiling would be easier, but I don't honestly think so |
| 22:24.22 | bradym | thebigdog: not sure if it's overkill for the window scripting you're gonna do, but i've found AutoIt helpful for some windows scripting - http://www.autoitscript.com/autoit3/ |
| 22:24.44 | thebigdog | ty bradym ill check it out |
| 22:24.49 | tierra | just having the power of the Visual C++ debugger more than makes up for the work we have to go through for dual compiler compatible code (especially where STL is used) |
| 22:25.04 | bradym | np |
| 22:28.50 | tierra | mgeary: I was at the last MacWorld Expo in fact :) |
| 22:29.02 | mgeary | check you out. i've never been to MW |
| 22:29.06 | tierra | hehe |
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| 23:34.04 | mgeary | anyone here do much work with mssql? |
| 23:35.24 | mgeary | trying to get an equivalent of mysql_insert_id() |
| 23:37.55 | mgeary | i've got one, but it requires 5 lines of code and a new db query <sigh> |
| 23:38.47 | tierra | haha, now that you point that out, that is funny considering you were trying to turn me off of M$ not that long ago |
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| 23:42.55 | mgeary | ~wiki sarcasm |
| 23:43.01 | mgeary | ;) |
| 23:43.23 | mgeary | i'm having to connect to a MSSQL db for the first time (client reqs) |
| 23:43.24 | mgeary | urgh |
| 23:44.11 | jsmith | Oh c'mon, it's not that bad |
| 23:44.51 | mgeary | what, MSSQL? |
| 23:53.31 | jsmith | Yeah... |
| 23:53.37 | jsmith | ... or making the connection to it |
| 23:54.05 | mgeary | well, yeah. the connection isn't bad |
| 23:54.22 | mgeary | but i hate that i cannot use the same syntax for an insert and an update |
| 23:54.32 | jsmith | That's what database abstraction layers are for |
| 23:54.46 | mgeary | well, yeah, this is *in* my DAL |
| 23:54.52 | mgeary | hand-rolled |
| 23:54.55 | jsmith | Ah. |
| 23:54.58 | jsmith | Can't help you there. |
| 23:55.00 | mgeary | heh |
| 23:55.25 | jsmith | Well, I *could*... I just don't feel like it tonight |
| 23:55.35 | jsmith | Gotta try to eek out another appendix on my book |
| 23:55.56 | mgeary | i can do the grunt work. i just wish i didn't have to |
| 23:56.03 | mgeary | it means a redundant while loop in my code |