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01:56.41tierrawhere's xilch when you need him?
01:57.34mindjujuyeah, that's what i want to konw
01:57.34tierraanyone got a quick perl one-liner for replacing "\n" with "<br/>"?
01:57.35mindjujusynic said he might be in tomorrow
01:58.00jsmithtierra: No, but it's easy in PHP :-p
01:58.23tierrayeah, I'm trying to work in some changes to this cvs2cl.pl script
01:58.37tierraPHP isn't really an option :(
01:58.41jsmithsub nl2br
01:58.41jsmith{
01:58.41jsmith<PROTECTED>
01:58.41jsmith<PROTECTED>
01:58.41jsmith<PROTECTED>
01:58.42jsmith<PROTECTED>
01:58.44jsmith}
01:59.01jsmith~thank google
01:59.01jbotjsmith: bitte
01:59.09tierrahehe, thanks jsmith
02:03.40mindjujujsmith to the rescue
02:03.44mindjujui heard that vonage is going to be knocked out of the game here shortly
02:04.26jsmithmindjuju: As much as I'd like to see that.... I wouldn't jump to conclusions
02:04.46mindjujui read some commentary somewhere though that the verizon patents that they are suing on, don't have merit as some dude was documented as having talked about VoIP back in 1996 or something
02:04.54jsmithtierra: I never thought I'd see the day I helped someone else with Perl code (especially in a PHP channel)
02:05.16mindjujuyou don't think vonage is on its way out?
02:05.25mindjujudo you not like vonage because you agree with the patents, or do you have concerns about their company or business?
02:05.31jsmithhttp://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/vonage/deep-throat-shoots-verizon-patent-out-of-the-water.asp
02:05.38jsmithmindjuju: Someone will come to their resuce
02:05.44jsmithrescue, that is
02:05.57jsmithI don't agree with the patents... they're utter rubbish
02:06.11tierraI know nothing about Perl, and I hope to keep it that way if possible, heh
02:06.12jsmithI have *great* concerns about the profitability of the business
02:06.41mindjujuah
02:29.59Utah_Davewhat exactly were the patents for?
02:30.18burninsupposedly they were to create an incentive for innovation
02:31.07Utah_DaveI know.  I meant what were Verizon's patents covering
02:31.33burninoh, the patents
02:31.44jsmithUtah_Dave: Give me a second.
02:32.00burninthey looked like billing and routing stuff.
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02:36.29jsmithThe claims in 6,282,574 and 6,104,711 describe an ENUM lookup
02:36.59jsmithBasically, looking up an E.164 phone number in a database and converting that to a VoIP address
02:37.26jsmithThe claims in 6,359,880 are simply use of the SIP REGISTER method while a telephone device is connected to a wireless network.
02:37.44jsmith(It's as if I patented the use of SMTP over WiFi)
02:38.03Utah_Daveholy crap
02:38.11Utah_Daveretards
02:42.52jsmithYup
02:43.06jsmithThat's the problem when patent suits are decided by a jury
02:43.22jsmith(and the jury isn't expected to understand what's really innovative and what's not)
02:44.09Utah_Daveso the patent for the SIP REGISTER could be used against ANY voip company
02:44.12burninor when a machine is patentable or when a computer loaded with software becomes a patentable machine.
02:48.41jsmithUtah_Dave: Yep... as long as the VoIP company supports users that may be behind wireless (even though the VoIP company has no control over it)
03:07.08Utah_Davewell, you all have a good evening
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03:58.17jsmithHey wps
03:58.24wpshey
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14:42.02*** topic/#UPHPU by thebigdog -> http://www.uphpu.org | UPHPU
14:44.44*** topic/#UPHPU by thebigdog -> http://www.uphpu.org | UPHPU | Promoting and supporting the development and use of PHP and general web-based application development.
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14:54.00thebigdoganyone here using jquery?
14:55.13Utah_DaveI do
14:55.20Utah_Davebut I'm pretty new with it
14:55.23thebigdoghow do you like it Utah_Dave ?
15:10.21Utah_DaveI really like it. It's the first javascript library that's "clicked" with me
15:10.49thebigdogcool ty for the info
15:10.59wpshow did the meeting go?
15:11.16Utah_Davenp
15:11.21thebigdogaside from mindjuju's rampant dancing it was not bad
15:11.23thebigdog:)
15:11.57wpswere you there, ray?
15:12.08wpsI was giving my daughter piano lessons: http://images.shopping.msn.com/img/6/2981/13/8158354.jpg
15:12.08Utah_DaveI missed it.  :(
15:12.30thebigdognope i'm just messing with mindjuju
15:12.36wpsah
15:12.38thebigdogthursdays is ufc night
15:13.11wpsUtah Funky Chickens?
15:14.45thebigdogultimate fighter challenge
15:15.08wpsoh? you took up cage fighting?
15:15.31thebigdogi just watch it is all
15:15.44wpsis that a show?
15:15.47wpsI've never heard of it
15:15.55thebigdogi dont have time to get my ahole kicked..i can make more $$$ writing code
15:16.01thebigdogyeah on spike
15:16.08thebigdogbut i watch all MMA fighting really
15:20.35wpswow… I just googled "mma fighting" and this site came up
15:20.35wpshttp://www.mmafighting.com/interviews/2007/images/josh-haynes-1.jpg
15:20.40wpsthat guy is flubby
15:20.51wpsfor being a fighter, he's sure not very toned
15:20.56wpshttp://www.mmafighting.com/interviews/2007/josh_haynes_post_ufc_69.html
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15:40.40thebigdogwps that guy got his butt beat a lot
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15:41.39thebigdogthis guy is good and ive watched him fight for years now - http://www.crocop.tk/
15:41.39PoeticIntensity~pistolwhip beandog
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16:09.40dataw0lfI shall be in utah at 4:30, all ye rejoice.
16:11.58optikalYou've been warned!
16:13.00jsmithAnd yet, I'll still be stuck in Cali
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16:34.27Lone_Wandererdataw0lf: Sadly, Hot Coffee Shop Girl has agreed to go out with me tonight, so I shan't be at the Republican.
16:34.42thebigdogcongrats Lone_Wanderer
16:35.28Lone_WandererShe looks like this: http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8867/bloodelves1024768xc5.jpg
16:35.35Lone_Wandereronly without the ears or stupid clothes
16:35.50thebigdogLone_Wanderer you are great :)
16:35.58Lone_WandererI am?
16:35.59thebigdogman i love my BE so much
16:36.03Lone_Wandererlol
16:36.09Lone_Wandererwhat class/sex?
16:36.12thebigdogi dont care what dataw0lf says about you
16:36.22Lone_Wandererrofl, what does he say?
16:36.23thebigdogsex is always female
16:36.25thebigdogpally
16:36.45Lone_Wanderercool, I've got a female BE pally too.
16:36.46thebigdogmy warrior is female
16:36.56herlosex is always, always, female
16:36.56thebigdogher name is bubblebumm
16:36.58Lone_WandererI like to surprise everyone by going into BG's and actually healing.
16:37.07thebigdogherlo, yes yes and yes
16:37.17herlothebigdog: w00t!
16:37.19thebigdogLone_Wanderer, that is hilarious
16:37.27Lone_WandererPeople are always like "OMG HEALS!"
16:37.33thebigdogi love when people ask me if i am really a girl
16:37.36Lone_Wandererlol
16:37.38Lone_Wandererwhat do you say?
16:37.42thebigdogi always respond yes
16:37.45thebigdogand they love me so much
16:37.48Lone_Wandererlol
16:37.54Lone_WandererI made a fake yahoo profile once
16:37.59Lone_Wandererwith a picture of some random girl online
16:38.00herlohttp://www.xkcd.com/
16:38.03Lone_Wandererand said it was me
16:38.03thebigdogi love bg with my priest...i love to heal
16:38.10thebigdogi havent done bg with my pally yet
16:38.19Lone_WandererYeah it makes a huge difference
16:38.24Lone_Wandererjust a little bit of healing goes a long way
16:38.36Lone_WandererI went holy specced with my pally and have a bunch of +healing gear.
16:38.41thebigdogoh yeah
16:38.45thebigdogheals rock in bg
16:38.59bradymwhich server you guys play on?
16:39.03thebigdognice i need to decide what i want to do with my pally
16:39.04Lone_WandererDeathwing
16:39.09thebigdogbloodscalp
16:39.13Lone_WandererWell I made mine specifically to heal with.
16:39.16bradymcool - i'm on arygos
16:39.43bradymmy druid was resto spec for awhile, went feral when BC came out since it's so much better for questing
16:40.08thebigdogi hate my warrior
16:40.30Lone_Wandererwhy?
16:40.35bradymhaha.. my bank character is a warrior.. cause i know i'll never have any motivation to play a warrior ;)
16:40.36thebigdogsucks to grind
16:40.44Lone_WandererIt does?
16:40.47thebigdogthey are fun when raiding but questing it is boring
16:41.01thebigdogganking is fun with a warrior too
16:41.06Lone_WandererI like how straightforward it is.
16:41.19thebigdogi like to grind with a hunter
16:41.37thebigdogbut i play my hunter similar to my warrior and off tank tons
16:41.38Lone_WandererUnlike with a rogue where you have to sneak around and wait for just the right moment and then hope everything goes just right.
16:41.50Lone_WandererWhy are you off tanking with your hunter?  Your pet should be keeping aggro.
16:41.51thebigdogyeah i dont play rogues
16:41.53bradymi liked grinding with my feral druid before they nerfed us.. i could take on like 6 mobs at a time and not even have to worry about it.. that was fun :)
16:42.12Lone_WandererI pvp'ed once with my druid
16:42.17Lone_WandererI felt invincible
16:42.35bradymi haven't done much pvp, a few bgs here and there but that's it
16:42.57thebigdogLone_Wanderer, that is what im saying...pet is off tanking
16:42.57Lone_WandererDruids have an answer to everything.  Can't be rooted or snared, can heal themselves, can stealth, tank, DPS
16:43.05Lone_Wandererahh ok
16:43.16Lone_Wandereryeah, hunters are the best pve class in the game
16:43.28thebigdogthey are good at pvp too
16:43.38Lone_WandererThey are *now*.
16:43.38thebigdogi just started mine so im still loob
16:43.49thebigdogthat why i got one :)
16:43.58Lone_WandererWhen I was still a BM hunter I owned it up on the BG's
16:44.24Lone_Wandererevery two minutes I got a damage boost and immunity to CC
16:44.32thebigdognice
16:44.43bradymcool
16:44.45Lone_Wandereryeah, the 41 point talent makes hunters insane
16:44.46thebigdogbg with warrior is only good when you got heals and killer armor
16:45.22Lone_WandererWyvern sting is good too, but it only works if you see them first.
16:45.24thebigdogbut i do like pvp very much
16:45.35Lone_WandererI love it when a rogue tries to CC me and I pop bestial wrath.
16:45.45Lone_WandererInsta-immune to all their tricks.
16:45.59Lone_WandererOr when my pet is on a warlock and I see him start to cast fear.
16:46.47Lone_WandererSince a hunter's main weakness in pvp is that it's hard to get range, being immune to CC and snares makes you nearly unstoppable.
16:48.12Lone_WandererDang, now I want to go respec back to BM and start doing BG's again with him.
16:48.34thebigdoglol
16:53.03thebigdogLone_Wanderer how many toons you have?
16:56.25Lone_WandererI don't know.  Lots.
16:56.35Lone_WandererThat'd be awesome.  I've got some friends I'm trying to get to play.
16:58.05thebigdogyeah it would be fun to get together and gank so loobs
16:58.19Lone_Wanderer>.>
16:58.32Lone_WandererGanking is an activity unfit for the Honorable Horde.
16:58.38thebigdoglol
16:58.43Lone_WandererIf you wanted to roll some Alliance toons, however...
16:58.47thebigdogon my server its all about the ganking
16:58.58thebigdogi only play horde
16:59.03Lone_WandererSame here.
16:59.13Lone_WandererI only gank people when they deserve it.
16:59.15thebigdogbut i gank every alli i can
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16:59.34Lone_Wanderer(rolling an alliance toon is grounds for getting ganked and corpse camped at all times)
16:59.37thebigdogi just hate the ratio on our server
16:59.45thebigdoglol yeah
17:07.58bradymglad to hear you guys are horde :)
17:09.37bradymi tried playing alliance a couple times, cause i have some friends that play both, but i couldn't do it... i eventually deleted my ali chars and haven't looked back :)
17:15.46optikalWhat server you guys on?
17:16.05optikalAlliance FTW suckas~
17:16.56optikalI use to play on Kel'Thuzad as Horde, didnt care much for it, got a Tauren Shaman up to 45, found out that I knew a rearton of people in Utah that play KT/Alliance, so I moved my char and went Alliance.. haven't played in 3mos tho
17:17.08Lone_WandererThat's funny optikal, I didn't know you were a 13 year old basement virgin.
17:17.21Lone_WandererAnd you seem to be able to compose coherent sentences.
17:17.27Lone_WandererAre you *sure* you play Alliance?
17:17.38optikalAmazing isn't it, hormone pills RULE!!!1
17:17.45Lone_Wanderer:D
17:18.13mindjujudid ya'll see that Lord of the Rings is now going to be an MMORPG
17:18.34Lone_Wandererno wai
17:18.37optikalNot surprising, hehe
17:18.43Lone_WandererI'm totally going to roll a Balrog
17:18.47Lone_WandererBalroq?  I dunno.
17:18.51mindjujui got an ad about getting a free month
17:18.59Lone_WandererI would totally play that game.
17:19.00optikalThere's going to be an MMO of every great movie thats adventure like.
17:19.03Lone_WandererFor about a week.
17:19.14mindjujuactually, i think it's open for a month so called, Beta Testing
17:19.18Lone_WandererI hope they have mounted combat.
17:19.23mindjujumore like, they are trying to get you hooked
17:19.36optikalOnly MMO I play now is Eve
17:19.42Lone_WandererI wonder how the Stargate-based MMO that my friend is working on is going.
17:20.31mindjujuhere is LOTR
17:20.31bradymstargate mmo, i like the sound of that :)
17:20.31mindjujuhttp://www.lotro.com/splash
17:20.33Lone_WandererHe says it's going "wonderfully"
17:20.39mindjujuoptikal, how is Eve?
17:20.46mindjujuthat's the space one, isn't it?
17:20.56Lone_WandererI love their splash page
17:21.16optikalThats what I'm excited to see.. more space-based MMO's
17:21.26Lone_WandererI played Eve
17:21.27optikalmindjuju: Its very awesome
17:21.28mindjujuyeah, me too
17:21.37bradymmindjuju: yeah, it's the one where they travel to different planets through a stargate
17:21.39mindjujui played Earth and Beyond before it got closed odwn
17:21.41optikalEspecially for the people who don't have 5-20hrs a week to dump into a MMO, or who play on and off here and there
17:21.41Lone_Wandererthe only thing that I didn't like (and why I stopped playing) is because it all seemed the same
17:21.51optikalYour training constantly, whether your online or not.. its all based on realtime
17:21.56mindjujuthat's the only MMORPG i've played
17:22.02Lone_Wandererthat part is cool optikal
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17:23.26optikalLone_Wanderer: There's really a lot too it once you get up there in your skills and take on mining and crazy missions
17:23.30optikalI mostly play for the PvP
17:23.42optikalCruising around in a huuuuge Battleship blowing people up with my railguns and missles
17:24.00mindjujuthat sounds like fun optikal
17:24.12optikalYou can play for 14days for free if you're ever interested.
17:24.15Lone_Wandereroptikal: I realize that there are a lot of skills
17:24.24Lone_Wandererbut everywhere you go looks the same
17:24.29optikalI'm part of the Goonswarm, so we're like the pita rebel corporation who jack up all the hotheads
17:24.42Lone_Wandererand mobs everywhere are pretty much the same, as are the missions
17:24.58optikalYeah, its definitely no 'adventure' mmo
17:25.16Lone_WandererI love the commercial aspects of it.
17:25.18optikalStarter missions are all the same, but once you advance up in rank you get diff ones that are crazy
17:25.27Lone_WandererI was up to level three missions by the time I quit.
17:25.42Lone_WandererNever did get my Wolf =(
17:25.50optikalWhat race is that?
17:25.54optikalI'm Caldari
17:25.56Lone_WandererMinmatar pvp ship
17:25.59Lone_Wanderertech II
17:26.17tierrafigures... the second WoW is brought up, optikal finally speaks up first time in months here ;)
17:26.20Lone_Wandererupgrade of the Rifter.  more guns, insane shielding, and they're fast
17:26.36optikaltierra: Your so mean. :(
17:26.47optikalhehe :P
17:27.01optikalI've said things here and there, but when your right your right.. this is the most ive said in the past few weeks, hehe
17:27.11optikalI'm also waiting on hold for Omniture too
17:27.20tierrahehe, fun
17:27.57optikalBeen craazy busy with doing 10 million things at once, 3 of which are big projects.. prepping for google mini, setting up omniture, building the new company site and writin the custom design wizard web application
17:28.22optikal27 mins and still holding.. boo to lots of new trainees, hehe
17:28.59Lone_Wandererhow many people here are interested in starting a UPHPU guild in WoW?
17:29.07Lone_WandererI'm assuming we'd all roll new toons on a single server for it.
17:29.41tierraWe've been busy wrapping up our last changes before our next major update release...
17:30.02Lone_WandererWe can get you one ;)
17:31.59tierraAdding 4 new, completely different export formats from Phoenix, and new import format, built-in PDF printing... and we release sometime next week
17:32.01Lone_WandererI think it'd be fun to have a pvp-oriented group of people
17:32.25mindjujulike serenity-now ?
17:37.48optikaltierra: Very cool
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18:02.29mindjuju~crackskulls utah_dave
18:02.42jbotACTION grabs utah_dave and com4 's heads and slams them together knocking both unconscious.  Jbot then turns to mindjuju to see who else needs a wallop.
18:10.14thebigdogthat lotr ones look like it is done by blizzard almot
18:11.46thebigdogi like the $200 lifetime cost
18:11.52thebigdogthat is not too bad
18:18.08Lone_Wanderereh? $200 lifetime cost?
18:19.42Lone_Wandereroh cool
18:19.44Lone_Wandererthat's a good idea
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18:45.19mindjujuhmm... always wanted to know what the heck 3rd cousin 3 times removed meant...
18:45.20mindjujuhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Cousin_tree.png
19:06.17macnewboldmindjuju: did you find out what it means? the first part (nth cousin) means how many generations back you go to get the common ancestor (0th cousin == sibling == common parent, 0 generations back, 1st cousin = common grandparent, 1 generation back, 2nd cousin = common great-grandparent (your parents and their parents are cousins), 3rd cousin = common great-great-grandp. (your grandparents and their grandparents are cousins))
19:06.27macnewboldthen the removed part is how many generations off of that you are
19:07.02macnewboldif we're the same distance from a common ancestor (i.e. 5 generations for me and for them), then we're not removed at all, just 5th cousins
19:07.10Lone_WandererSo my nephew is my first cousin twice removed?
19:07.27macnewboldif we're a different distance, I.e. I'm 5 generations and you're 6 generations, then we're 5th cousins once removed
19:07.31herloLone_Wanderer: no
19:07.33macnewboldLone_Wanderer: only in Arkansas
19:08.19macnewboldyour nephew is just a nephew, since it is your sibling's child - it's too close to be a cousin
19:08.27macnewboldbut your cousin's child is your first cousin once removed
19:08.27Lone_Wandereroh, wait
19:08.33Lone_WandererYes, that's what I meant.
19:09.09mindjujuoh, well that's not too hard
19:09.26macnewboldmy kids and my cousins kids are second cousins
19:10.04macnewboldmy grandpa's cousins are my first cousins twice removed, their kids are my second cousins once removed, and their grandkids are my third cousins
19:10.36macnewboldin theory, you can measure it from any common ancestor, but generally you measure it from the closest common ancestor
19:10.59macnewboldalways use the lowest cousin number possible, then the lowest removed number within that
19:12.04macnewboldafter my wife and I were married, we found out we had a common ancestor back in england in the 1700's or 1800's, and that we're 6th cousins once removed
19:12.41Lone_WandererMy sister found out that she was dating her distant cousin at one point.
19:12.58Lone_WandererLess distant than 6th though.
19:13.33mindjujulone_wanderer, distant emotionally, distant geographically, or distant geneogically ?
19:13.43Lone_Wandererdistant genealogically
19:13.47mindjujujk
19:13.55Lone_Wandererand geographically as well, until they met
19:14.07macnewboldwe're connected through my great-grandma's great-grandpa - her  great-great-grandpa Jonathan and my great-great-great-grandpa (3rd great-grandpa) Henry Jr. were brothers who came to america and traveled with the Mormon pioneers to Utah
19:14.31mindjujuthat's cool to know macnewbold
19:15.08mindjujui doubt i'm any relation to my wife, xcept through adam
19:15.38macnewboldyeah, it's a good thing most family trees don't show back that far - my poor kids have their family trees from the two sides of the family join up 7-8 generations back
19:15.42macnewboldmindjuju: and through noah
19:15.52mindjujuoh yeah, true that
19:15.55macnewbold;)
19:16.28macnewboldand probably through abraham, isaac, and jacob/israel, and maybe through one of their sons
19:16.35Lone_Wanderermindjuju: I think you'd be surprised.  Most people are more closely related than they realize.
19:16.58macnewbolddoes your wife have any relatives in mexico, other than through you?
19:17.19Lone_WandererMost of Scotland and a large number of Americans can trace their ancestry back to any given Scottish nobleman more than 200 years ago
19:18.01macnewboldmost utahns can trace their ancestry back to the same groups of people from events like the Mayflower pilgrims and such
19:18.03mindjujuwell, my parents were from north mexico, where my maternal grandmother's family is north mexican indian my paternal grandparents from the interior of mexican, beyond that generation, not much known
19:18.03Lone_WandererIf you consider that every person has two parents, you don't have to go back too many generations before you need more parents than the total population of the earth in order for people not to be related.
19:18.19macnewboldbut some people don't have two parents, Lone_Wanderer
19:18.23macnewboldhow insensitive can you get
19:18.31Lone_WandererOh right, test tube babies.
19:18.33Lone_WandererAnd clones.
19:18.42mindjujuTiff 's family is a mix from Ireland (dad) and Scottland (mom)
19:18.44macnewboldand single parent homes
19:19.30Lone_Wanderer...
19:20.14macnewboldmindjuju: I've got english, scottish, welsh, probably irish, and swedish, and my wife has similar plus a significant portion of german, and some native american
19:21.11mindjujui should spend some time and try to do some research on my family lines
19:21.23herloI have blood from all parts of the globe
19:21.30herlowell, mostly
19:22.02mindjuju~nickometer herlo
19:22.14mindjujuwell, how bout that
19:23.20herlomindjuju: :)
19:23.22herlosee
19:23.23mindjujuyea!  i got to efile my taxes and didn't have to pay a dime for it!
19:23.58macnewboldw00t
19:24.31mindjujui filed my taxes using Turbo Tax on the day that their servers got kicked in the jimmies and crawled into the fetal position
19:24.54mindjujuso, they took care of the IRS AND refunded my credit card for the fees!
19:35.41macnewboldsweet
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19:45.00Lone_Wandererwhat happened to their servers?
19:46.23mindjujunobody really knows, but there is a lot of speculation that they couldn't handle the load
19:46.47mindjujuso when you tried to submit your taxes, it would complete without completeing, or telling you that it had submitted successfully
19:47.48macnewboldover a million people all trying to squeeze in right before the deadline was what I heard
19:48.07mindjujuthat's a heck of a load
19:48.33Lone_Wandererahh, cool
19:48.52mindjujuconsidering it's having to do a whole bunch of logic to offer you tax deductions, error checking, etc
19:49.44mindjujucan you imagine writing a web app to handle a tax return, with our complex tax laws?
19:51.16macnewboldand to make it worse, they probably used java or something, instead of php
19:51.53mindjujuuh, actually, i think it was .net . but i can't recall 100%
19:52.08mindjujubut if so, that was the problem right there
19:52.54macnewboldouch
19:53.06macnewboldthen i bet a BSOD was involved somewhere...
19:53.37macnewboldyou'd think a big company like that would be smart enough not to build all their infrastructure on MS
19:53.44macnewboldway too unreliable
19:54.43Lone_WandererHa.
19:54.48Lone_WandererI used to work for them doing tech support.
19:55.03Lone_WandererThey were still using DOS-based programs at the time.
19:55.09Lone_WandererToo expensive to upgrade, they said.
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19:58.34mindjuj1macnewbold, do you think it would be a serious faux pas to cut out the part of yesterday's meeting where we started talking about frodo baggins and iCal ?
19:58.59macnewboldI think it is a moot point, unless you've got a time-travel device you haven't told me about yet...
19:59.14herlo~lart mindjuj1 for just the thought of it!
19:59.14jbottakes a rusty axe and swings it violently, taking mindjuj1's head off for just the thought of it!
19:59.16macnewboldI guess you're talking about a recording of some kind?
19:59.29mindjuj1i mean, I recorded the audio and video for it
19:59.40mindjuj1so was just doing some editing before I convert and send up to wade to host somewhere
20:00.02macnewboldtwo options: if it is irrelevant, you can cut it out. Or 2nd, you could make the full and the edited available, if there's enough hosting space
20:00.22macnewboldI'd be willing to help seed a bittorrent for it if someone wanted to run a tracker (herlo?)
20:00.50mindjuj1oh yeah, actually, hadn't really talked about who would host it
20:01.00mindjuj1i wonder if the uphpu web server could just store it?
20:01.12herlomacnewbold: for?
20:01.23herlothe video?
20:01.57macnewboldmindjuju: that's a good possibility
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20:02.09macnewboldmindjuj1: /nick mindjuju
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20:09.42mindjuj1well, as the video is too long, i guess it can't be in swf
20:09.52mindjuj1i can also produce in avi, wmv or mov
20:09.56mindjuj1anybody have a preference?
20:10.39Lone_Wandererno preferences here
20:11.36mindjuj1that stinks, cause i heard flash video is really small
20:11.47mindjuj1i wonder how long 16,000 frames is ?
20:12.10beandogis there a way to use a custom list type
20:12.18beandoginstead of the few ones availabe to CSS
20:12.19Lone_Wandererin HTML?
20:12.21beandogand no, I dont want to use an image
20:12.26Lone_WandererI don't think so.
20:12.27beandogI just need custom text
20:12.36Lone_WandererYou mean for the bullets?
20:12.41beandogyah
20:12.53mindjuj1curious, i've never thought about doing that before, could be cool
20:13.51beandogLone_Wanderer: you know of anything?
20:14.02xilchoh man
20:14.07xilchi love the penis sauce in my mouth
20:14.19mindjuj1wth!
20:14.19Lone_WandererThe only things...
20:14.25Lone_WandererYeah, someone ban him.
20:14.38Lone_WandererThe only things I know are the different list-style-types.
20:14.43beandogbah
20:14.45beandogoh well
20:14.47Lone_WandererOr images.  Sorry.
20:14.57mindjuj1beandog , i bet you could easily do it though just making your own css
20:15.07Lone_WandererCSS 3 is supposed to introduce several new list style types.  Hungarian and Greek are the only two I remember.
20:15.58beandogmindjuj1: what do you mean
20:16.41mindjuj1starting to write some stuff, hang on
20:16.42xilchsorry folks
20:16.50xilchleft my computer unlocked
20:16.52mindjuj1figured it wasn't you xilch
20:17.00Lone_Wandererlol
20:18.50mindjuj1well, beandog, actually, you'd prolly be better off using a standard <ul><li>, in CSS, saying no decoration, then putting your ASCII symbol and a couple of &nbsp;
20:18.58mindjuj1course though, it might look double indented
20:19.08macnewboldmindjuj1: how many frames/sec are you doing?
20:19.22mindjuj1course, in that same CSS that you take direction off, you could remove the indent by changing left margin
20:19.47mindjuj1macnewbold, not sure, it left the screen to fast
20:19.52mindjuj1why, you got a suggestion?
20:20.01beandogmindjuj1: meh.
20:20.03beandogalright thx
20:20.17mindjuj1why does my Gaim say i'm mindjuju, but the IRC says i'm mindjuj1 ?
20:20.30macnewbold16,000 frames at 10 frames/sec is 26.6 min
20:20.36mindjuj1oh
20:20.36macnewboldmindjuj1: /nick mindjuju
20:21.04macnewbold16,000 frames at 1 frame/sec is 266.6 min (almost 4 hrs)
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20:21.32macnewbold4 frames/sec gives 66.6 min, over an hour
20:22.12macnewboldcorrection 266.6 is just over 4 hrs, not almost 4 hrs
20:22.31mindjujunot sure what sample rate the swf was going to be
20:22.37mindjujui'll have to RTM for that one
20:23.33macnewboldif you can control it, you could probably fit it at 2-4 frames/sec, and get a really small (though somewhat choppy) video
20:23.54macnewboldthe choppiness should be okay though for a lecture, right? it's not like there's a ton of movement
20:25.05mindjujuwell, it's screen capture, not video camera, so, there is a bit
20:26.18xilchmindjuju: do you have a jabber account?
20:26.36mindjujunope, but can make one real quick
20:26.43mindjujuit's off of google, right?
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20:33.09macnewbold~yow
20:33.23macnewboldwow, that was a delay and a half...
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20:39.45bradymlol, nice one jbot
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22:16.01jbotACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at thebigdog
22:16.07mindjujusup yo!
22:16.14mindjujuwanna start something!
22:19.44thebigdog~tunafart mindjuju
22:19.46jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
22:20.54thebigdog~hug mindjuju
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22:21.07thebigdog~love mindjuju
22:21.08jbotIf you love mindjuju so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
22:21.17thebigdog~kiss mindjuju
22:21.19jbotACTION forces mindjuju to give PoeticIntensity a big kiss on the lips
22:21.21mindjujueh!
22:21.25thebigdoglol
22:21.34thebigdoggood job mindjuju
22:23.21PoeticIntensitynow that's just gross.
22:23.34mindjujuno doubt
22:23.34PoeticIntensityhow did I get dragged into this?
22:23.37PoeticIntensityWhat have I done?
22:23.44PoeticIntensitygosh, people.... You guys are sadistic.
22:23.56thebigdog~kiss mindjuju
22:23.58jbotACTION forces mindjuju to give Utah_Dave a big kiss on the hand
22:24.21PoeticIntensitypoor little PoeticIntensity just working away when he gets a big slobbery kiss from some random cyber-dude.
22:24.35PoeticIntensityah,well.... It's Friday.
22:24.46PoeticIntensityhuzzah!  Transposers!
22:25.26thebigdogyeah its friday and im excited
22:25.35thebigdogtomorrow free ufc pay-per-view
22:25.49thebigdogand i got some wow playin to do
22:29.58thebigdog~burn mindjuju
22:29.59jbotACTION pours gasoline all over mindjuju, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze
22:35.31thebigdogty
22:36.02mindjuju;)
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22:52.26Lone_WandererHi SWB.
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22:52.59swbhi
22:53.49herloswb: long time, no see
23:00.43swbyeah, I was just checking to see if this irssi thing still works
23:02.52Lone_WandererIt does!
23:02.59swbyep, still works
23:03.02swbheh
23:04.42mindjujuyo quiero Taco Bell
23:10.13thebigdog~give mindjuju a taco
23:10.15jbotACTION gives a taco to mindjuju
23:10.25mindjujuthx
23:10.38mindjujui wonder if those commericals are on youtube?
23:12.01thebigdog~give mindjuju a bell
23:12.05jbotACTION gives a bell to mindjuju
23:12.15thebigdog~whistle thebigdog
23:12.21mindjuju~give thebigdog a knuckle sandwich
23:12.22jbotACTION gives a knuckle sandwich to thebigdog
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23:14.14jbotACTION inconspicously shuffles over to get a straight line across mindjuju to the window above the dumpster, takes aim, and punts mindjuju out to where he belongs!
23:15.21mindjuju~macattack thebigdog
23:15.22jbotACTION mixes nitrate, cellulose and acide to make nitor manite and lobs it at thebigdog... Boom !
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23:16.12mindjujuanytime
23:16.47mindjujuare ya'll going to make that uphpu guild in WoW ?
23:19.25Lone_WandererI'll send an email to the list about it.
23:20.20mindjujui think i'll prolly play Eve when i finally start to play MMORPG
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