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01:55.38mindjujusup tierra
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02:38.27mindjujuwow, macnewbold is on the dev team for flyspray
02:38.29mindjujuwho knew?
02:40.11mindjujuherlo knows all
02:41.49mindjujuheh
02:58.06herlo:)
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03:26.55mindjujusup jsmith
03:27.02jsmithHey mindjuju
03:27.09jsmithJust hanging out in a hotel room in San Jose
03:27.16mindjujuCali is cool
03:27.17jsmith(hacking on some PHP -> SOAP code)
04:14.50mindjujuhey, anybody got an opinion of using JS to verify that the password and the confirm password are the same?
04:15.10mindjujuseems pointless to send to the server, just to find that they aren't, on the other hand, a lot of people have JS issues these days do to 'sploits
04:41.39jsmithWhat, you're not going to use AJAX to send it to the server in real time?
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15:52.43macnewbold~rlart
15:52.47jbotsend killer squirrels to attack synic
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16:04.44dataw0lfI need some spanish translated
16:05.05dataw0lfmacnewbold, mindjuju, thebigdog ?
16:05.12thebigdogy
16:05.17dataw0lfbancos?
16:05.27thebigdogbanks
16:05.30dataw0lfheh
16:05.33dataw0lfalmacen?
16:06.08thebigdoglike a warehouse
16:06.13thebigdoghuge store
16:06.22dataw0lfheh
16:06.28dataw0lfdanke
16:07.10thebigdognp
16:13.34macnewbolddanke is thank you, but that's german, not spanish
16:17.25dataw0lfhar har
16:17.33dataw0lfmac made a funny!
16:17.42thebigdoghahaha
16:19.51macnewbold~teach dataw0lf what funny really is...
16:20.22macnewbold~educate dataw0lf
16:20.46jbotACTION teaches dataw0lf the basics, including how to RTM.
16:34.59PoeticIntensityI know spanish.
16:35.12PoeticIntensity'n' stuff.
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19:03.47beandogis there a way to share variables between functions in javascript
19:03.53beandoghave global js vars, I guess.
19:08.14beandogsweet
19:18.45beandoghttp://www.boingboing.net/2007/04/18/atts_vision_for_the_.html
19:18.49beandogthat photo is classic.
19:18.53beandogor scary.
19:18.56beandogor maybe not.
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19:44.19beandogtoo quiet..
19:44.28thebigdogvery
19:44.31thebigdog~talk
19:44.33jbottalk is probably the standard, 2-person interactive chat, replaced by ytalk and ntalk in later times.  Old talk still ships as the default/standard chat tool for most operating systems.
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21:32.43Lone_WandererOkay, I need a way to ensure that my PHP script is waiting until an external process is complete before it keeps going
21:33.04Lone_Wandereris there a way to do that?  maybe while(is_this_process_running?(process id)) { wait }?
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21:39.29thebigdogLone_Wanderer, are you starting the command in php?
21:42.46_psychic_It normally should unless you're forking somehow.
21:43.31Lone_Wandererthebigdog: yeah
21:43.40thebigdogLone_Wanderer, if popen might be what you want to use
21:43.51thebigdogand do 'r' on it
21:44.03thebigdogi have also had my processes create locks that i can monitor
21:44.04_psychic_wont `command args` wait for a return value?
21:44.48Lone_WandererThat's what I thought too _psychic_
21:45.11thebigdogyou also have to watch your php timeout too
21:45.12_psychic_does the command you're starting fork?
21:45.15thebigdogor execution time
21:45.19Lone_Wanderernope
21:45.28_psychic_well you'll get an error or warning if it takes too long
21:45.28Lone_WandererI set all those things to be a non-issue
21:45.38Lone_Wandererit doesn't fork
21:45.41Lone_Wandererit's just a zip command
21:45.42thebigdogwhat command is it
21:45.52Lone_Wandererzip <archive> <file to be added>
21:45.57PoeticIntensityI think so...
21:46.00Lone_Wandererit's in a loop that does a bunch of them
21:46.11Lone_Wandererand then when the loop exits, it prints out a link to the new zip file
21:46.28thebigdoglike a shell scrpt that zips stuff
21:46.40Lone_WandererWe're running into trouble where people's first download breaks, but subsequent downloads work fine
21:46.49Lone_Wandererit's not a shell script, it's just a command line program.
21:47.14PoeticIntensityI *seriously* doubt that php would continue without the previous command finishing...
21:47.21Lone_WandererThat's what I think as well.
21:47.30PoeticIntensityare you using exec?  system?
21:47.33Lone_WandererIn fact, the backtick operator returns a value from the process.
21:47.37Lone_Wanderer`zip whatever`
21:47.45PoeticIntensityfrom a webpage?
21:47.53Lone_WandererYes.
21:47.54PoeticIntensityhow are you running that command from inside PHP?
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21:48.00Lone_Wanderer`like this`
21:48.01PoeticIntensityis "zip" a php function?
21:48.04Lone_Wandererno
21:48.08PoeticIntensityok....
21:48.09Lone_Wandererit's a command line utility
21:48.09PoeticIntensityplease continue.
21:48.11Lone_Wandererto create zip files
21:48.17PoeticIntensityright.
21:48.41PoeticIntensityright....
21:48.52PoeticIntensityhowever, php won't just let you run external programs without using some sort of function.
21:48.57thebigdogyou might want to run shell_exec or exec
21:49.00Lone_WandererSo I'm just wondering if it's possible for the loop to exit while the zip file is still being operated on by the zip processes
21:49.05PoeticIntensitylike... "exec("zip filename")"
21:49.09Lone_WandererThey alll do the same thing.
21:49.21Lone_WandererThe backtick operator is basically an alias to shell_exec
21:49.30PoeticIntensityAHHHH.
21:49.36PoeticIntensityyou're right.
21:49.43Lone_Wanderers/alll/all
21:49.56bradymthere are functions built into php to create zip files..
21:49.57bradymhttp://us.php.net/zip
21:50.00PoeticIntensitythere's an "exec_shell" command (or something like it)
21:50.03thebigdogyeah but you might want to catch the exit code
21:50.09Lone_WandererI know, but they're less portable than the shell command.
21:50.42bradymtrue, they are less portable
21:51.05_psychic_less portable than PHP?
21:51.10Lone_WandererWhich is a concern because they're looking at switching hosting providers.
21:51.11Lone_WandererYes.
21:51.13PoeticIntensityexec_shell captures the output.
21:51.32PoeticIntensityhold on...
21:51.32thebigdogshell_exec
21:51.34Lone_WandererA different hosting provider may not want to recompile PHP with --with-zip-library-or-whatever-it's-called turned on.
21:51.37bradymthe zip functions require at least php 5.2.0 -- i think that's what he means
21:51.50Lone_WandererBut just adding the zip utility is easy.
21:52.07PoeticIntensityit's "shell_exec"... sorry.
21:52.15PoeticIntensityyeah.
21:52.18PoeticIntensityright on, thebigdog
21:52.24bradymif i was concerned with that, i'd probably just find a class to do it for me that will work on php4 & 5, like the zip library from codeigniter - http://codeigniter.com/user_guide/libraries/zip.html
21:52.53PoeticIntensitypersonally, I"ve had more success running external commands to the actual commandline programs.
21:53.17PoeticIntensitybut... that depends on a number of factors...
21:53.17PoeticIntensityso...
21:53.20PoeticIntensitynevermind. :)
21:53.43PoeticIntensityLone_Wanderer, you're right.... man... I should just go home and go to bed.
21:53.52Lone_Wanderer;)
21:53.56thebigdogLone_Wanderer, try exec and see if you get a return value
21:54.08Lone_Wandererexec does the same thing :p trust me
21:54.18PoeticIntensityexec doesn't return much, does it?
21:54.45thebigdogshell_exec is the same as backtick...see if you get a return value with exec
21:55.36PoeticIntensitylooks like exec returns "The last line from the result of the command."
21:55.49beandogone of them returns the value
21:55.55beandogsystem, exec, etc.
21:55.56beandogI cant remember
21:56.02thebigdogexec
21:56.35thebigdogsystem too
21:56.35Lone_WandererI just need to write a script with an infinite loop in it
21:56.35thebigdoglol
21:56.35Lone_Wandererand then shell_exec it, and see if it hangs.
21:56.39beandogthere you go, exec, third var
21:56.54Lone_WandererAnd I just what
21:57.23Lone_Wandererexec($command, $bla, $check_var); while (!$check_var) { noop(); }
21:57.25Lone_Wanderer?
21:57.50beandogwell I dunno about a while loop
21:57.53beandogthat could be dangerous.
21:57.57Lone_WandererWhat else would I do?
21:58.03beandogbreak if it doesnt work the first time
21:58.17thebigdogLone_Wanderer, are you running php in safe mode?
21:58.24Lone_WandererI don't know, are we beandog?
21:58.27beandogno
21:58.32Lone_Wandererthebigdog: no ;)
21:58.39thebigdogk
21:59.05thebigdogis this on linux or windows or mac?
21:59.09beandogbsd
21:59.11Lone_WandererFreeBSD
21:59.17thebigdogoh terrible
21:59.17Lone_WandererThe zip file gets created just fine.  That's not a problem.
21:59.34Lone_WandererThe only problem is whether or not PHP keeps going while the commands are being executed.
21:59.45thebigdogtrue
21:59.56thebigdogim wondering if zip does some forking
22:00.13beandogyou could background it
22:00.40Lone_WandererBackgrounding it would make the problem worse.
22:00.45thebigdogyou might want to check out the process control functions
22:00.47thebigdogpcntl
22:00.52beandogoy.
22:00.56beandognasty stuff.
22:01.04beandogLone_Wanderer: what are you trying to do?
22:01.11Lone_Wandererlol
22:01.35Lone_Wandererten minutes in and what I'm trying to do still hasn't been established.
22:01.45thebigdogit has
22:01.50beandogoh
22:01.51beandogokay
22:02.03Lone_WandererHold on, I got Conan helping me.  He's a Super Genius.
22:02.03beandogPHP wont stop until the external proggie finishes.
22:02.05beandogSo youre fine there.
22:02.15beandogJust set the max timeout to zero
22:02.23beandogor some other long length of time.
22:03.08Lone_WandererHmm.
22:03.17Lone_WandererI need strace.  Can I install it or do we need Mac for that?
22:03.30beandogstrace?
22:03.32beandogis zip borking?
22:03.42Lone_WandererNo, it's to find out if it forks or not.
22:03.46beandogoh.
22:04.07beandogNow Im really lost on what you are trying to do.
22:04.18Lone_Wandererstrace the call to... well
22:04.21Lone_Wandererstrace -efork zip -9 -r -p myzip.zip mystuff/
22:04.21Lone_Wandererthat
22:04.25beandogI mean with the PHP
22:04.30Lone_WandererOh.
22:04.34Lone_WandererSame thing still.
22:04.42beandogI dont think I ever got the original gist of it.
22:04.48Lone_WandererIt's simple.
22:04.52Lone_WandererCreate a zip file.  Give a link to it.
22:04.59beandogOk
22:05.11beandogSo whats the problem?
22:05.15Lone_Wanderer"create a zip file" includes a loop that does `zip archive sourcefile_x` a bunch of times
22:05.25Lone_Wandererthe problem is that people are having trouble downloading it
22:05.33beandogwhy do you need to loop?
22:05.58beandogare you zipping up one file or more than one
22:06.05beandoginto one .zip
22:06.15beandogor creating multiple .zip files?
22:06.17Lone_WandererLots of dynamically selected files.
22:06.20Lone_WandererInto one zip file.
22:06.25beandogOk
22:06.33beandogSo just do zip foo.zip file1 file2
22:06.34beandogetc.
22:06.35Lone_WandererSo the question is, is PHP echoing out the link to the file before it's finished zipping up.
22:06.36beandogone command should work
22:06.48beandogno, theres no way
22:06.53beandogit wouldn't continue until zip has finished
22:07.00beandogwhether its forking or not, the original pid isn't going to change
22:07.30Lone_Wandererok
22:07.39Lone_Wandererthat's what I thought but I wanted to be sure.
22:08.06beandogYou could probably get mac to install pecl-zip
22:08.13beandogAnd then you could just use the php libs
22:08.18beandogexcept I think we have it installed already
22:08.41Lone_Wandereryeah but we don't want to install anything extra
22:08.45beandogbut they probably only unzip
22:08.56Lone_Wandereron the theory that when they move island beast to another host, we want to make it as easy as possible
22:09.35beandogI really hope they aren't zipping the MP3s
22:09.39Lone_WandererThey are.
22:09.42Lone_WandererFor one big download.
22:09.44beandog-_-
22:09.48Lone_WandererWhich I've been saying is a retarded idea.
22:09.50Lone_WandererBut they want it anyway.
22:09.58Lone_WandererSo now they're having trouble downloading their 100+ megabyte files
22:10.11beandogbig surprise there.
22:10.26Lone_Wandererand they're complaining that my code is doing something wrong.  And I keep saying "no, it's just because the files are too big" and they keep going "Well could it be (some really contrived thing)"
22:10.26beandogDo they at least get the option to download individually?
22:10.31Lone_WandererYes they still get that.
22:10.58beandogHmm
22:11.21beandogI say we play paper football the rest of the day and let the site die in obscurity.
22:11.29Lone_WandererGood plan!
22:11.45beandogdo you mind if I peek at the code?
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22:12.15Lone_Wandererno, go for it
22:12.24beandogwps: did you ever get an email from gmane?
22:12.31Lone_Wandererit's.. download_music.php
22:12.37wpsno
22:12.38Lone_WandererI've got it open and may be editing it, so read only if you please.
22:13.03beandogyou should be okay as long as I dont write anything
22:13.10beandogthis isn't Windows were talking about. :)
22:13.22Lone_Wandereraye :)
22:13.41beandogunix_timestamp++
22:13.45beandogI just found out about that yesterday
22:13.49beandogmy gosh, what a lifesaver
22:13.58beandog~lart mysql data date types
22:13.58jbotpulls out his louisville slugger and uses mysql data date types's head to break the homerun record
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22:44.26mindjuju~yow
22:57.46bradym~rlart
22:57.50jbotaccelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets Lone_Wanderer feel it
22:58.38Utah_Dave~rlart
22:58.41jbotfrags jnbek with his BFG9000
22:59.04jnbekugh jbot has it out for me, lol
23:34.41Lone_WandererIt appears that the Zend framework was created in ignorance of Knuth's "code should be written for people to read and only incidentally for a computer to execute"
23:37.00mindjujucurious, not sure i agree with that
23:37.17Lone_WandererMaybe it's just this example
23:37.26Lone_Wandererbut it sets the include path to include several directories
23:37.33Lone_Wandererwhich obfuscates the location of any included file
23:37.58mindjujuoh
23:41.39Utah_Davemindjuju: do you use the Zend framework?
23:44.46Lone_WandererThe CD inventory program seems to be a popular one.
23:44.49Lone_WandererFor tutorials.
23:46.02Utah_DaveI played around with Zend when it first came out, but it didn't really click with me
23:46.42Lone_WandererI'm so tired.
23:46.58Lone_WandererWhich, counter-intuitively, is probably because I slept in rather than working out this morning.
23:54.59Lone_WandererI also hate having to put things into actions and controllers.
23:55.06Lone_WandererAnd I hate bootstrapping.
23:55.14Lone_WandererWhy can't I just put everything on it's own page?
23:58.06bradymcause that kinda defeats the purpose of mvc..
23:58.09bradym;)
23:58.55Lone_WandererYou can have an MVC and still have discreet pages.
23:58.55Lone_WandererYou don't have to have everything go through a single index page.
23:59.24bradymtrue

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