| 00:00.48 | Lone_Wanderer | The 6:00 hour has come. |
| 00:00.54 | Lone_Wanderer | and I must depart |
| 00:01.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I bid you adieu, my friends |
| 00:01.16 | Lone_Wanderer | may the wind be always at your back, and the road rise up to meet you. |
| 00:01.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even know what that second one means. |
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| 00:26.24 | *** topic/#UPHPU by mindjuju -> UPHPU Geek Lunch this Friday @ 1:30p @ Himalayan Kitchen || BRING PARKING QUARTERS! | uphpu.org |
| 00:29.36 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer , i think that means that you hope the person trips and falls, as that is the only time you really get to "meet the road". Or i guess possibly, your wishing that the person is always walking up hill. (never gets a break.) Any ways, thx a heap for these great sayings! |
| 00:29.51 | mindjuju | ;) |
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| 00:33.29 | beandog | parking quarters? |
| 00:33.33 | beandog | what kind of food is it again? |
| 00:33.42 | mindjuju | Indian / Nepalese |
| 00:33.52 | mindjuju | its good eats |
| 00:33.56 | mindjuju | you coming? |
| 00:34.01 | beandog | no, I can't |
| 00:34.17 | beandog | I gotta leave early tomorrow |
| 00:34.23 | mindjuju | sure sure |
| 00:34.33 | mindjuju | you prolly think a table full of geeks is going to cramp your style |
| 00:34.45 | beandog | heh |
| 00:34.47 | beandog | I went last time |
| 00:34.48 | beandog | it was fun |
| 00:35.44 | beandog | ~weather |
| 00:36.06 | beandog | mindjuju: why are you always working so late? |
| 00:36.39 | mindjuju | well, partly cause i shifted my working hours to 12 - 8 |
| 00:36.48 | mindjuju | but i do put significantly more than 40 hours in a week |
| 00:36.50 | beandog | oh |
| 00:36.56 | beandog | why 12 to 8? |
| 00:37.19 | mindjuju | My wife works at home, but she needs a break too. so she gets her mornings off |
| 00:38.04 | mindjuju | my job is flexible enough that i can call my own hours, so i just worked it out with my wife |
| 00:38.08 | beandog | oh thats cool |
| 00:38.17 | mindjuju | yeah, keeps her happy |
| 00:39.00 | mindjuju | i've minded my son for 10 hours in a row once, it's a chore and a lot more demanding than coding in a nice quiet office with the lights off and headphones on |
| 00:39.30 | mindjuju | what about you, why you at work so late? |
| 00:39.58 | beandog | I just always have something stupid come up during the day, so I need to stick around to get my hours in. |
| 00:40.45 | mindjuju | beandog, do you say podcast or netcast? |
| 00:42.30 | twobyfour | think im laggin |
| 00:42.45 | mindjuju | how's florida? |
| 00:43.49 | twobyfour | not bad |
| 00:44.11 | mindjuju | Where is FSU? |
| 00:44.18 | mindjuju | i lived a summer in West Palm Beach |
| 00:44.18 | twobyfour | why? |
| 00:44.24 | twobyfour | flordia state |
| 00:44.25 | mindjuju | Nice place, if you don't mind the alligators |
| 00:45.03 | mindjuju | eh, was just wondering. could just as easily pull it up on the web. wanted to make you feel welcome |
| 00:46.40 | twobyfour | ahh thanks |
| 00:46.51 | twobyfour | bbiab |
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| 00:52.39 | beandog | how old is your son |
| 00:52.48 | mindjuju | just turned 4 |
| 00:54.51 | beandog | mindjuju: neither |
| 00:54.57 | beandog | super lag there, that was odd |
| 00:54.59 | beandog | ~lart dsl |
| 00:54.59 | jbot | shoots dsl in the head |
| 00:55.33 | mindjuju | the florida guy complained of lag |
| 00:55.36 | mindjuju | it might not be you |
| 00:58.20 | beandog | hmm |
| 00:58.25 | beandog | :) |
| 00:58.35 | mindjuju | oh, your syaing neither for the podcast or netcast |
| 00:58.48 | beandog | I like netcast better |
| 00:58.53 | beandog | although "mp3 download" seems most appropriate. |
| 00:58.56 | mindjuju | seems like i heard somewhere that podcast was TM by Apple , but haven't heard anything about suing |
| 00:59.22 | mindjuju | i'm designing some quick buttons for a new section of the web we are rolling out |
| 00:59.33 | beandog | oh, I dont think its trademarked. |
| 00:59.47 | beandog | I think of a netcast as more as a live video conference anyway |
| 01:01.53 | beandog | bueno |
| 01:01.53 | beandog | me voy |
| 01:01.56 | beandog | g'nite mindjuju |
| 01:02.02 | mindjuju | hasta luego! |
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| 06:38.43 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
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| 14:33.53 | timinator | morning guys |
| 14:43.48 | herlo | timinator: morning |
| 14:48.15 | Utah_Dave | morning |
| 14:50.07 | herlo | Utah_Dave: !!! |
| 14:50.52 | Utah_Dave | I know. What part of the country are you in this week? |
| 14:50.59 | jsmith | herlo: Don't worry... I won't forget who you are |
| 14:50.59 | herlo | Utah |
| 14:51.07 | herlo | jsmith: woohoo! |
| 14:51.21 | jsmith | Sticking around town this week, eh? |
| 14:53.38 | herlo | jsmith: been moving all week. Sucks |
| 14:53.54 | jsmith | Yeah... but at least you have a house to move into |
| 14:54.05 | herlo | jsmith: actually, no I don't |
| 14:54.17 | jsmith | Oh? |
| 14:55.40 | herlo | jsmith: in other words, I'm moving because my roommate got a condo in Orem (where I'll be living til the fall) |
| 14:55.55 | herlo | In September-October timeframe, I can finally buy...sucks |
| 14:55.56 | jsmith | Ah... |
| 14:56.05 | jsmith | I see... that's too bad, man. |
| 14:56.37 | herlo | ah, its okay. Was for the better anyway. I have seen several condos/townhomes come up for sale that were better than the one I put an offer on anyway. |
| 15:03.20 | Utah_Dave | this is a test |
| 15:04.23 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: Had this been an actual IRC channel, you would be receiving emergency instructions at this time |
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| 15:33.53 | PoeticIntensity | It's official. |
| 15:34.06 | mgeary | what is? |
| 15:34.20 | PoeticIntensity | just a sec. |
| 15:34.23 | PoeticIntensity | gotta wait for beandog. |
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| 15:35.10 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 15:35.13 | PoeticIntensity | Now it's official. |
| 15:35.25 | PoeticIntensity | Hyndai Tiburons shouldn't be classified as "sports cars" |
| 15:35.26 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 15:35.52 | beandog | theyre a bunch of pansy cars driven by girlfriends with cellphones who dont deserve the keys |
| 15:35.58 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 15:36.03 | timinator | for sure |
| 15:36.09 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart pansy cars driven by girlfriends with cellphones who dont deserve the keys |
| 15:36.09 | jbot | resizes pansy cars driven by girlfriends with cellphones who dont deserve the keys's terminal to 40x24 |
| 15:36.29 | PoeticIntensity | beandog and I went out racin' last night... |
| 15:36.36 | PoeticIntensity | fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun stuff. |
| 15:36.55 | beandog | heh |
| 15:37.04 | PoeticIntensity | ok, bean, you can leave now. |
| 15:37.06 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 15:37.06 | beandog | bangerter++ |
| 15:37.07 | beandog | bueno. |
| 15:37.28 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I still wanna know what type of car that was I first raced. |
| 15:37.34 | PoeticIntensity | just coming onto Bangerter. |
| 15:37.38 | beandog | ? |
| 15:37.40 | beandog | which one |
| 15:37.42 | beandog | I dont remember that |
| 15:37.46 | PoeticIntensity | yes you do. |
| 15:37.54 | PoeticIntensity | when I turned onto bangerter. |
| 15:38.00 | PoeticIntensity | and that dude.... |
| 15:38.02 | PoeticIntensity | bah.. |
| 15:38.07 | PoeticIntensity | the *first* car I raced. |
| 15:38.14 | beandog | oh yah |
| 15:38.18 | beandog | we couldnt figure out what it was |
| 15:38.20 | timinator | ya, you know... the Dude |
| 15:38.27 | PoeticIntensity | you were saying it was ......... I think it was an Acura. |
| 15:38.38 | beandog | I thought it was a Nissan |
| 15:38.39 | PoeticIntensity | See, even timinator knows who I'm talkin' about. |
| 15:38.46 | PoeticIntensity | I have no idea. |
| 15:38.52 | PoeticIntensity | At one point, I thought it was a ford. |
| 15:38.54 | beandog | good times. 8-D |
| 15:39.04 | PoeticIntensity | totally. |
| 15:39.09 | PoeticIntensity | so... are you gonna work today? |
| 15:39.11 | beandog | I smoked a Buick on the way to work |
| 15:39.18 | PoeticIntensity | rock ON!!!! |
| 15:39.22 | PoeticIntensity | beandog++ |
| 15:39.30 | beandog | that 80 year old never saw it coming. |
| 15:39.38 | timinator | (quotes from the Big Lebowski run through my head) |
| 15:39.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Buick? Is this some new kind of marijuana cigarette? |
| 15:39.49 | dataw0lf | pass to the left plz |
| 15:40.00 | Lone_Wanderer | You kids are always making up new names for thing. |
| 15:40.02 | Lone_Wanderer | s |
| 15:40.07 | beandog | heh |
| 15:40.16 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 15:40.23 | PoeticIntensity | so how are ya all this fine Friday? |
| 15:40.34 | beandog | http://peteashdown.org/journal/2007/04/06/harvard-law-on-cp80/ |
| 15:40.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Beautiful. |
| 15:40.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I trust they're against it? |
| 15:42.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Awww, he linked to cute overload. |
| 15:42.16 | beandog | hmm, he does a good job of picking it apart. |
| 15:42.37 | beandog | what would a unicorn do? |
| 15:42.53 | beandog | bah, I would show you my image, but stupid comcast is blocking my port 80 |
| 15:42.54 | mgeary | a *flying* unicor |
| 15:42.55 | mgeary | n |
| 15:42.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Fly across Tycho's doorstep in a rainbow? |
| 15:43.06 | beandog | even though no one believes me. |
| 15:43.09 | PoeticIntensity | beandog, did they call ya? |
| 15:43.29 | PoeticIntensity | bah...... |
| 15:43.32 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: yah, I havent called back yet. And I deleted the message on accident. |
| 15:43.40 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.penny-arcade.com/alsdkfjasdlkfj for the flying unicorn |
| 15:43.50 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 15:44.05 | PoeticIntensity | Comcast has a vendetta against beandog. |
| 15:44.23 | PoeticIntensity | and beandog laughs at their threats. |
| 15:44.29 | PoeticIntensity | either that, or deletes them.; |
| 15:44.36 | Lone_Wanderer | tunnel it, beandog, tunnel it. |
| 15:44.49 | beandog | Ive already got another server colocated, I just need to move the content |
| 15:44.54 | beandog | which Ive put off for like 3 months. |
| 15:44.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Don't just violate the TOS, beat them within an inch of their lives. |
| 15:45.30 | PoeticIntensity | heh..... I've been violating their TOS since about..... 10 minutes after I signed up 5 years ago. |
| 15:45.40 | beandog | ~violate PoeticIntensity |
| 15:45.54 | PoeticIntensity | errr.... |
| 15:46.01 | beandog | probably better that we dont have an action for that one |
| 15:46.06 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
| 15:46.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Probably. |
| 15:46.56 | timinator | lol |
| 15:46.57 | beandog | bueno |
| 15:47.07 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: we gotta race some night you and I on the streets |
| 15:47.11 | beandog | find some ricers |
| 15:47.15 | beandog | :D |
| 15:47.52 | PoeticIntensity | beandog - yeck yeah. |
| 15:47.52 | dataw0lf | http://xkcd.com/c244.html |
| 15:47.55 | PoeticIntensity | er.... heck |
| 15:48.01 | PoeticIntensity | hey. |
| 15:48.05 | beandog | hey dataw0lf wanna do me a favor? |
| 15:50.07 | PoeticIntensity | dataw0lf does no favors, only pillages and burns, hacks and cracks, smacks and slashes. |
| 15:50.16 | PoeticIntensity | which do you prefer? |
| 15:50.26 | beandog | smack attack |
| 15:50.31 | PoeticIntensity | ~smack beandog |
| 15:50.33 | jbot | ACTION smacks beandog upside the head. |
| 15:51.18 | beandog | http://theboard.byu.edu/ |
| 15:51.29 | beandog | http://theboard.byu.edu/index.php?area=viewall&id=15626 |
| 15:51.32 | beandog | ^^ a great one |
| 15:51.34 | dataw0lf | beandog: huh? |
| 15:52.14 | beandog | sicko |
| 15:52.20 | timinator | :) |
| 15:59.35 | Lone_Wanderer | If you're using FF on a Mac, the board will lock up your browser. |
| 15:59.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Just resize your window slightly and it'll be fine. |
| 16:06.31 | mindjuju | who here is going to the geek lunch? |
| 16:06.36 | Lone_Wanderer | me |
| 16:06.46 | mindjuju | cool |
| 16:06.48 | fungus | I am actually going to come. |
| 16:07.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if I ever hated Windows XP as much as I now hate Vista |
| 16:07.08 | mindjuju | coolio, fungus |
| 16:07.27 | mindjuju | yeah, heard really bad things about vista and application incompatiblity |
| 16:07.29 | mindjuju | dataw0lf |
| 16:07.36 | mindjuju | were you able to come to the SLC ? |
| 16:08.13 | mindjuju | macnewbold, you coming? |
| 16:08.47 | macnewbold | mindjuju: oh yeah, baby, I'm totally going to be there |
| 16:08.52 | macnewbold | ~celebrate lunch |
| 16:08.53 | mindjuju | sweet |
| 16:09.38 | mindjuju | timinator, you coming to the geek lunch ? |
| 16:09.43 | timinator | I wish |
| 16:10.03 | Lone_Wanderer | "A police state isn't the perfect society." "It is if you're running a donut shop." |
| 16:10.04 | macnewbold | I'm glad fungus will be there, we haven't seen each other in quite a while since I've been unable to get to UPHPU meetings lately |
| 16:10.20 | mgeary | ~factcheck mindjuju |
| 16:10.22 | jbot | ACTION forces mindjuju to exhaustively fact-check a Rush Limbaugh interview with Vice-President Cheney |
| 16:10.29 | mgeary | hah |
| 16:10.37 | mindjuju | ugh, not a big limbaugh fan |
| 16:10.46 | mindjuju | bummer you can't be there, timinator |
| 16:10.55 | mindjuju | i'll handle that other xmission business today though |
| 16:11.04 | timinator | coolio |
| 16:11.52 | timinator | I appreciate it |
| 16:13.40 | mindjuju | anybody know if you can have 2 enclosures in a netcast? 1 for the audio, and one for some printouts? |
| 16:14.19 | mindjuju | i checked the spec, but didn't see anything |
| 16:15.03 | fungus | You could add 2 enclosures, not sure if it is illegal or not. |
| 16:15.18 | fungus | The problem you run into is any clients will ignore the second one. |
| 16:15.29 | mindjuju | yeah, that's what i'm afraid of |
| 16:15.52 | mindjuju | i might have some audio byte say that the hand outs are available on the web |
| 16:16.48 | fungus | Just include the handouts in the description. |
| 16:16.55 | fungus | Or are these PDFs |
| 16:16.56 | fungus | heh |
| 16:16.57 | mindjuju | yeah, pdf, but i could just put a link |
| 16:17.31 | fungus | That would work. A lot of netcast clients work well with descriptions. |
| 16:17.43 | fungus | (except of course the most popular) |
| 16:32.03 | herlo | but he has 3hrs til lunch... |
| 16:34.12 | jsmith | herlo: It's lunchtime here... |
| 16:34.29 | herlo | me knows... |
| 16:34.31 | jsmith | herlo: Then it's time for "elevensies" there |
| 16:34.31 | mindjuju | are you coming herlo ? |
| 16:34.41 | herlo | mindjuju: yes |
| 16:34.47 | mindjuju | sweet! |
| 16:34.53 | mindjuju | do you know if SWB is coming? |
| 16:35.04 | herlo | mindjuju: I don't know |
| 16:35.10 | mindjuju | i ain't seen an email or heard from her in a long while |
| 16:35.14 | herlo | mindjuju: how come so late! I am hungry now! |
| 16:35.26 | mindjuju | it was for thebigdog , he said he was coming |
| 16:35.49 | mindjuju | course, if we get dogged by thebigdog again, we ain't going north again! |
| 16:36.08 | herlo | I don't mind the north but I agree... |
| 16:38.42 | Utah_Dave | I'm hoping to come. I have to stop downtown to pick up my taxes from my accountant |
| 16:39.12 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm going to stay afterward and do some xmission stuff |
| 16:39.51 | herlo | Utah_Dave: woohoo! |
| 16:40.05 | herlo | mindjuju: I am not going to stay after and do xmission stuff... |
| 16:40.49 | mindjuju | heh, yeah, i mean that since it was next to xmission, i get to count this as work related |
| 16:42.45 | herlo | mindjuju: I know ;) |
| 16:49.09 | Lone_Wanderer | What time is the lunch? Noon? |
| 16:49.17 | mindjuju | 1:30 |
| 16:49.19 | herlo | Lone_Wanderer: topic |
| 16:49.21 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 16:49.24 | herlo | :) |
| 16:49.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh. |
| 16:51.02 | mgeary | ~lart oncoming hayfever |
| 16:51.02 | jbot | forces oncoming hayfever to use Outlook Express |
| 16:53.11 | mgeary | trivia question: does anyone know the *original* name of Photoshop? |
| 16:53.14 | mgeary | no googling allowed |
| 16:53.37 | mindjuju | aldus oh, er, was going to say aldus pagemaker, but that's a different ap |
| 16:53.50 | mgeary | indeed |
| 16:54.05 | mindjuju | Mac Paint ? |
| 16:54.11 | mgeary | BarneyScan |
| 16:54.13 | mgeary | not kidding |
| 16:55.20 | mindjuju | barneyscan? |
| 16:55.24 | mgeary | yep |
| 16:55.31 | mgeary | ~google barneyscan |
| 16:55.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Is that the Simpsons Barney or the purple dinosaur Barney? |
| 16:55.58 | mgeary | oh, it way predates both of those |
| 16:56.04 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 16:56.05 | mgeary | 1987 |
| 16:56.28 | dataw0lf | I never knew it had a name older than Photoshop |
| 16:56.47 | Lone_Wanderer | The first mud I played on was hosted on a machine called Soupweb. |
| 16:56.54 | Lone_Wanderer | soupweb.hacker.net |
| 16:57.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I found it because I was searching for "hacker tips". Yes yes, point and laugh. |
| 16:57.39 | dataw0lf | heh, "hacker tips" |
| 16:57.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Something like that. |
| 16:57.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I was so clueless. |
| 16:58.33 | Lone_Wanderer | This was in 97. I found something about phreaking and how to make a blue box (or maybe it was black?) and I actually made one and tried to use it |
| 16:58.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I just got an operator. |
| 16:59.05 | mindjuju | phreaking sounded cool, but never got into it |
| 16:59.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, it doesn't work any more. Not like it used to anyway. |
| 16:59.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Back in the days of Captain Crunch and Joey Engressia. |
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| 17:00.11 | mindjuju | read a bunch on captain crunch |
| 17:00.12 | timinator | waddup bigdog!!!! |
| 17:00.13 | mgeary | yeah, even i'm too young for that |
| 17:00.16 | mindjuju | interesting |
| 17:00.22 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 17:00.27 | mindjuju | you coming to lunch, right? |
| 17:00.28 | thebigdog | not much |
| 17:01.20 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: I've had lunch with Captain Crunch |
| 17:01.28 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: And yes, he uses Asterisk ;-) |
| 17:01.32 | mindjuju | have you really, jsmith? |
| 17:01.35 | beandog | man ... Verizon, what a bunch of jerks. |
| 17:01.37 | beandog | poor Vonage. |
| 17:01.43 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet |
| 17:01.50 | jsmith | beandog: Wait 'til you read the details on the patents |
| 17:01.57 | jsmith | mindjuju: Yes I have ;-) |
| 17:02.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I talked to Joey Engressia on the phone :p |
| 17:02.12 | jsmith | mindjuju: In fact, I ran into him a few different times |
| 17:02.19 | dataw0lf | captain crunch is about as nuts as you can get |
| 17:02.31 | jsmith | dataw0lf: True... but very entertaining |
| 17:03.09 | dataw0lf | his stare freaks me out |
| 17:03.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Are you two talking about the same Captain? |
| 17:03.59 | dataw0lf | John Draper? yes. |
| 17:04.05 | jsmith | I'm talking about Captain Crunch, the blue box phreaker... |
| 17:04.07 | jsmith | Yeah... |
| 17:04.35 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 17:04.44 | Lone_Wanderer | When did you meet him DW? |
| 17:04.52 | mgeary | early phone systems: talk about security through obscurity... |
| 17:05.20 | dataw0lf | at a couple efcons |
| 17:05.23 | dataw0lf | defcons* |
| 17:05.33 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, cool |
| 17:08.07 | mindjuju | man, i wished i would have known about schmoocon , i think i might have tried to go |
| 17:08.32 | Lone_Wanderer | What is schmoocon? |
| 17:08.54 | dataw0lf | a con run by the Schmoo group |
| 17:09.12 | dataw0lf | shmoo group, rather |
| 17:09.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Riiiight. |
| 17:09.20 | Lone_Wanderer | DW: are you in SL? |
| 17:09.24 | dataw0lf | nope |
| 17:09.28 | dataw0lf | in San Fran |
| 17:09.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohh, ShmooCon - now with less moose! |
| 17:10.35 | mindjuju | sorry, din't mean to add the c, was getting hammered by IMs as I was typing it |
| 17:10.56 | mindjuju | that's the conference that jitko got leaked from |
| 17:11.47 | Lone_Wanderer | It's easy to type extra C's when you're excited about less moose than ever. |
| 17:11.49 | mindjuju | well, jitko was created as a POC on the ills of JS, that whoops, got leaked |
| 17:12.01 | mindjuju | it's pretty cool, actually |
| 17:12.17 | mindjuju | it tries to determine if a site is suspetible to XSS |
| 17:12.18 | macnewbold | ~poc |
| 17:12.21 | mgeary | so it is indeed in the wild |
| 17:12.25 | mindjuju | Proof of Concept |
| 17:12.27 | macnewbold | ah |
| 17:12.31 | dataw0lf | yea, billy didn't want to release the code |
| 17:12.50 | dataw0lf | so someone stole the original code off the server, and now jitko is being passed around by hackers, being modified to make it more usable |
| 17:12.53 | mindjuju | jitko can also be a worm in that if xss, it can imbed itself into the page |
| 17:13.14 | mindjuju | yeah, i've got a flavor of it here |
| 17:13.22 | mgeary | jitko link: http://busin3ss.name/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/jitko.zip |
| 17:13.36 | mindjuju | it's like that HTMLEditor, it's amazingly beautifully simple |
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| 17:15.32 | mgeary | which one? FCKeditor? |
| 17:16.00 | mindjuju | jitko |
| 17:16.07 | mindjuju | oh, the HTMLEditor |
| 17:16.10 | mgeary | yeah |
| 17:16.13 | mindjuju | er, let me get you the address |
| 17:16.28 | mgeary | i'm using FCK, and it's alright, but a bit of a bear to extend |
| 17:16.58 | mindjuju | k, first let me say this. It's far better than Notepad, it is an EXCELLENT teaching tool |
| 17:16.59 | mindjuju | http://htmledit.squarefree.com/ |
| 17:17.13 | mindjuju | if i have to mock up in front of management, i use this |
| 17:17.13 | mgeary | have you seen FCKeditor? |
| 17:17.18 | mindjuju | nope, haven't |
| 17:17.29 | mindjuju | i'm kinda hooked on htmledit , it's like crack |
| 17:17.31 | mgeary | not quite the same thing |
| 17:17.45 | mgeary | it's a wysiwyg HTML editor |
| 17:17.52 | mgeary | *online* wysiwyg... |
| 17:18.21 | mgeary | works nicely in FF and IE, but not in Safari :/ |
| 17:18.49 | mindjuju | i'll have to check it out |
| 17:21.56 | mindjuju | hmm... i think i like FCKeditor better than I like dojo toolkit RTE or that other one that i can't think of the name right now |
| 17:24.13 | macnewbold | aw |
| 17:24.24 | macnewbold | s/aw/eww/ |
| 17:24.25 | mindjuju | for the exact same reasons too |
| 17:24.26 | jsmith | Yuck... |
| 17:24.37 | mindjuju | ~crackskulls jsmith |
| 17:24.43 | jbot | ACTION grabs jsmith and timinator 's heads and slams them together knocking both unconscious. Jbot then turns to mindjuju to see who else needs a wallop. |
| 17:24.56 | timinator | ouch |
| 17:25.02 | timinator | what the heck! |
| 17:25.08 | jsmith | Sorry timinator |
| 17:25.14 | jsmith | Not sure how you got sucked into that |
| 17:25.16 | mindjuju | heh |
| 17:25.18 | jsmith | ~literal crackskulls |
| 17:25.27 | Utah_Dave | ~wpsattack mindjuju |
| 17:25.29 | jbot | ACTION grabs mindjuju's global.css and starts to learn mindjuju some css! |
| 17:25.32 | mindjuju | it grabs somebody in the room randomly |
| 17:25.41 | jsmith | ~literal crackskulls $1 |
| 17:25.42 | jbot | ACTION grabs $1 and breece 's heads and slams them together knocking both unconscious. Jbot then turns to jsmith to see who else needs a wallop. |
| 17:25.42 | mindjuju | hey, that's cool! |
| 17:25.45 | timinator | it's mindjuju.... he's pissed cause i said I couldn't make it to lunch |
| 17:26.05 | mindjuju | wps can look over my CSS and make recomendations anytime |
| 17:26.15 | beandog | who all is going today? |
| 17:26.17 | mindjuju | plus, he is the one who learned me on CSS |
| 17:26.17 | beandog | anyone? :) |
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| 17:26.55 | jsmith | beandog: Not I |
| 17:27.17 | mindjuju | sup _psychic_ |
| 17:27.25 | _psychic_ | been to hell and back |
| 17:27.38 | mindjuju | sort of a Dante experience, cool |
| 17:27.41 | Utah_Dave | jsmith: maybe we could video conference you in to the Geek Lunch |
| 17:27.45 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 17:27.48 | _psychic_ | more of a poop on john experience |
| 17:27.50 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: That'd be awesome... |
| 17:27.57 | _psychic_ | but its almost over :) |
| 17:29.13 | mindjuju | sorry to hear that |
| 17:34.17 | mgeary | _psychic_: what's up? |
| 17:34.37 | _psychic_ | I launched a site yesterday |
| 17:34.44 | _psychic_ | this is a project I took over from someone that left |
| 17:34.48 | _psychic_ | the app is pretty complex |
| 17:34.55 | _psychic_ | and I had *no* docs |
| 17:34.55 | _psychic_ | none |
| 17:35.07 | _psychic_ | on what was done or promised |
| 17:35.09 | _psychic_ | or what existed |
| 17:35.12 | _psychic_ | or didn't |
| 17:35.57 | _psychic_ | so its been a ride |
| 17:35.58 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 17:36.02 | mindjuju | talk about a no-win situation |
| 17:36.08 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 17:36.27 | _psychic_ | the client gets mad because he was promised things and they aren't there, or things dont work because I'm still hearing about them |
| 17:36.32 | _psychic_ | but |
| 17:36.43 | _psychic_ | doing okay now |
| 17:37.08 | mgeary | is there no project manager that's regulating that? :/ |
| 17:37.12 | beandog | sounds you need a geek lunch |
| 17:38.07 | beandog | http://www.slcwaiter.com/himilayan/himilayan.html |
| 17:38.17 | beandog | wow, much cheaper than I imagined. |
| 17:38.23 | beandog | if that's right, that is. |
| 17:38.24 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 17:38.42 | mindjuju | they have a buffet too |
| 17:38.49 | Lone_Wanderer | They charge for water? Meh. |
| 17:38.52 | mindjuju | with tandori chicken, nan, |
| 17:39.02 | mindjuju | tandori chicken is the best |
| 17:39.22 | mindjuju | sometimes chicken curry, or butter chicken, sag paneer, good eats |
| 17:39.23 | beandog | Rose Milk? |
| 17:39.44 | mindjuju | i've never had rose milk, but heard its good |
| 17:39.54 | mindjuju | i've had yak milk tea though |
| 17:40.05 | beandog | I wanna eat some goat. |
| 17:40.07 | beandog | meat. |
| 17:40.15 | Lone_Wanderer | What's naan? |
| 17:40.22 | Lone_Wanderer | rose milk sounds delicious |
| 17:40.26 | mgeary | beandog: ask PoeticIntensity. he's got a dead goat |
| 17:40.30 | mindjuju | naan is like a tortilla but it isn't one |
| 17:40.32 | mindjuju | but like one |
| 17:40.35 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 17:40.44 | Lone_Wanderer | like a tortilla, only from India. |
| 17:41.00 | mindjuju | yup |
| 17:41.07 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh |
| 17:41.14 | Lone_Wanderer | do these guys play Indian music way too loud? |
| 17:41.22 | Lone_Wanderer | for the Authentic Indian Dining Experience? |
| 17:41.45 | beandog | I wonder if there are any argentine restaurants. |
| 17:41.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm sure there are some. |
| 17:41.54 | Lone_Wanderer | somewhere. |
| 17:41.58 | beandog | in Murray |
| 17:41.59 | beandog | sweet. |
| 17:42.05 | mgeary | there's a cool Peruvian restaurant in Orem |
| 17:42.05 | beandog | http://www.utahcityguide.com/reviews/argentine_grill.asp |
| 17:42.43 | _psychic_ | mgeary: I'm the replacement project manager. That's the issue. |
| 17:42.57 | mgeary | ~console _psychic_ |
| 17:42.59 | jbot | ACTION gives _psychic_ the consolation moose |
| 17:43.09 | mgeary | ????! |
| 17:43.14 | _psychic_ | maybe its chocolate |
| 17:43.19 | mgeary | i guess that's better than the "consolation goose" |
| 17:43.30 | _psychic_ | I have yet to attend a uphpu event in person |
| 17:43.42 | _psychic_ | I might go to the lunch, but its a soccer day :) |
| 17:44.03 | Lone_Wanderer | So, which of the lamb dishes is best? |
| 17:44.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm thinking Lamb Korma. |
| 17:44.42 | mindjuju | i'm a tikka massala fan |
| 17:44.49 | mindjuju | so chicken tikka or lamb tikka |
| 17:44.52 | mindjuju | way yum |
| 17:45.57 | herlo | oh, you gotta get the chicken saag if they've got it... |
| 17:46.15 | herlo | oh, they do, its to die for! |
| 17:46.56 | herlo | they've also got a lamb saag, if you prefer lamb |
| 17:47.47 | mindjuju | i've actually never had chicken saag, but i'm a huge fan of saag paneer |
| 17:47.58 | Lone_Wanderer | what's saag? |
| 17:48.07 | mgeary | roasted entrails |
| 17:48.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh, yum! |
| 17:48.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I LOVE entrails, especially roasted. |
| 17:49.31 | herlo | mgeary: you are full of it... |
| 17:50.00 | herlo | its chicken with a curried spicy spinach sauce |
| 17:50.10 | herlo | or lamb as the case may be. no entrails |
| 17:50.20 | herlo | ~lart mgeary for such a thought |
| 17:50.20 | jbot | executes killall -TERM mgeary for such a thought |
| 18:09.03 | Utah_Dave | Fear of Mac Newbold |
| 18:09.08 | Utah_Dave | nice |
| 18:09.09 | Utah_Dave | : |
| 18:09.10 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 18:11.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Dude. |
| 18:11.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I just saw the coolest thing in the CSS channel |
| 18:11.20 | mgeary | do tell |
| 18:11.26 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 18:11.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I said "Does IE support min-height?" |
| 18:11.44 | Lone_Wanderer | and Minibot immediately said "No it does not" and gave me a link. |
| 18:12.01 | mgeary | huh |
| 18:12.06 | Lone_Wanderer | So I asked it a bunch more questions and it answered them all. I wasn't even specifically directing it at the bot. |
| 18:12.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Makes me think we should have a bot that gives php function syntaxes |
| 18:12.33 | mgeary | jbot: are you a dork? |
| 18:12.53 | mgeary | jbot: what's 2+2? |
| 18:12.54 | jbot | 4 |
| 18:13.02 | mgeary | well there's that, at least |
| 18:13.14 | mgeary | jbot: what's the square root of pi? |
| 18:14.01 | mgeary | jbot: what's the smallest 4-digit prime number? |
| 18:14.11 | mgeary | ~nerdschool jbot |
| 18:14.13 | jbot | ACTION chains jbot to a molded-fiberglass all-in-one desk/chair, fills his backpack with sci-fi and fantasy novels, and plants him in Norm Bangerter's Elementary Physics class for re-indoctrination. |
| 18:14.14 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: what's sqrt(pi)? |
| 18:14.32 | mgeary | jbot: wjat |
| 18:14.40 | mgeary | jbot: what's pi? |
| 18:14.41 | jbot | pi is, like, 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 18:14.44 | mgeary | nice |
| 18:15.03 | mgeary | but only 345 characters? c'mon |
| 18:15.34 | Utah_Dave | ~address Himalyan Kitchen |
| 18:16.33 | mgeary | jbot: what can you do? |
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| 18:31.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. |
| 18:31.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I just searched my email for "search string". |
| 18:34.13 | jsmith | Why? |
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| 18:34.49 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: so the Himalayan Kitchen is across from Washington Square Park? |
| 18:35.17 | burnin | friday, at last |
| 18:48.31 | PoeticIntensity | so... lunch is at 1:30... |
| 18:48.37 | PoeticIntensity | I just got back from a company lunch.... |
| 18:49.20 | PoeticIntensity | you going, beandog? |
| 18:50.16 | beandog | no |
| 18:50.20 | beandog | I'm poor. |
| 18:50.23 | beandog | :( |
| 18:50.25 | PoeticIntensity | whaaaaa....? |
| 18:50.28 | PoeticIntensity | You don't need to buy anything! |
| 18:50.33 | PoeticIntensity | freak. |
| 18:50.34 | beandog | why, you paying? |
| 18:50.36 | beandog | :) |
| 18:50.44 | PoeticIntensity | nope.... I'm probably going to show up late. |
| 18:50.47 | PoeticIntensity | not eat anything. |
| 18:50.49 | PoeticIntensity | I'm full. |
| 18:51.01 | PoeticIntensity | that means cost = gas. |
| 18:51.06 | PoeticIntensity | and that's no issue for you. |
| 18:51.08 | PoeticIntensity | you're freakin' close. |
| 18:51.11 | PoeticIntensity | is Mac going? |
| 18:51.15 | beandog | yah, he left already |
| 18:51.19 | beandog | hes gotta do some stuff first |
| 18:51.19 | PoeticIntensity | bah. |
| 18:51.27 | PoeticIntensity | I *really* wanna go |
| 18:51.29 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer is going though I think |
| 18:51.34 | PoeticIntensity | but it 's quite a drive. |
| 18:51.43 | PoeticIntensity | Lone_Wanderer, you going? |
| 18:51.55 | beandog | he might have left with mac |
| 18:51.56 | PoeticIntensity | and is dataw0lf gonna be there? |
| 18:52.03 | PoeticIntensity | bah... bah bah bah |
| 18:52.12 | beandog | I know he was going though |
| 18:52.26 | PoeticIntensity | you sure you're not going? |
| 18:52.38 | beandog | yah |
| 18:52.39 | timinator | I'm going... see you all there |
| 18:52.45 | PoeticIntensity | adios, amigo. |
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| 19:25.00 | herlo | mindjuju: where are u? |
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| 19:41.34 | beandog | http://niko.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/3a/3a48260d0aa60d77fa9f28d261219062669359a8.jpg |
| 19:41.37 | beandog | boy that deserves to be shared |
| 19:43.31 | beandog | http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2412676&perpage=40&pagenumber=1 |
| 19:43.32 | beandog | oh man |
| 19:43.36 | beandog | LMFAO |
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| 19:50.52 | beandog | http://www.amorphousmedia.com/sa_stuff/youarenex.jpg |
| 19:52.11 | mgeary | hey, where'd they get that shot of my torso? |
| 19:52.23 | _psychic_ | that dude's nips are way too low to be natural |
| 19:53.36 | _psychic_ | sorry, but its true. |
| 20:04.55 | mgeary | _psychic_: hey, so you contribute to Cake, right? |
| 20:05.03 | _psychic_ | yes |
| 20:05.46 | mgeary | what kind of code/features have you worked on? |
| 20:05.53 | _psychic_ | ACL |
| 20:06.03 | _psychic_ | The data sanitization script |
| 20:06.08 | _psychic_ | the code generation stuff (bake) |
| 20:06.21 | _psychic_ | I do the manual too |
| 20:06.32 | mgeary | does Cake do form widget generation? |
| 20:06.53 | mgeary | and validation? |
| 20:06.58 | _psychic_ | yep |
| 20:08.05 | _psychic_ | though, what do you mean by "form widget" ? |
| 20:08.19 | mgeary | checkboxes, radios, multi-selects, etc |
| 20:08.47 | mgeary | when doing two applications, would you have 2 installs of Cake? or one? I assume a big portion of Cake is a series of Classes. Can you have these classes centralized to reduce maintenance? |
| 20:09.17 | _psychic_ | yep |
| 20:09.40 | mgeary | so, one install? |
| 20:09.44 | _psychic_ | either way |
| 20:09.47 | _psychic_ | multiple installs |
| 20:09.47 | mgeary | ah |
| 20:09.52 | _psychic_ | with shared cores |
| 20:09.55 | _psychic_ | *core |
| 20:09.58 | _psychic_ | or multiple cores |
| 20:14.58 | _psychic_ | mgeary: did you have other questions? |
| 20:15.07 | mgeary | oh, i thought you were gonna make a pitch |
| 20:15.10 | mgeary | :) |
| 20:15.26 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 20:15.42 | _psychic_ | "Let them eat cake. That is all." |
| 20:16.11 | mgeary | don't really have acute questions. We were discussing my own little home-rolled framework the other day, and i started to wonder what features Cake had that might be worth stealing |
| 20:16.42 | _psychic_ | Let me know if you have any questions. I've used it for a long time and really love it. |
| 20:17.04 | _psychic_ | Its hit some serious homeruns for us, at least. |
| 20:17.15 | mgeary | are you familiar with djangos URL routing mechanism? |
| 20:17.24 | _psychic_ | I'm not :/ |
| 20:17.51 | _psychic_ | does it map URLs to code? |
| 20:17.51 | mgeary | to views, yeah |
| 20:17.58 | _psychic_ | yeah cake does that. You can do regex in your routes, and have named vars too. |
| 20:20.09 | mgeary | how does that end up looking? Do you use Apache to evaluate the URLs? |
| 20:20.18 | mgeary | mod_rewrite? |
| 20:20.55 | _psychic_ | yeah mod_rewrite handles the technology |
| 20:21.01 | _psychic_ | but the routes are defined in PHP |
| 20:21.48 | mgeary | do none of the cake screencasts have audio?? |
| 20:22.10 | _psychic_ | I don't think so :/ |
| 20:22.22 | _psychic_ | well some might |
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| 20:57.25 | beandog | wb lunch geeks |
| 20:57.30 | beandog | you all missed the hillary clinton images |
| 20:57.47 | _psychic_ | And you're better men for it. |
| 20:57.54 | beandog | heh |
| 20:58.05 | beandog | should I recap "the best of" |
| 20:59.24 | _psychic_ | let me |
| 21:02.04 | dataw0lf | tsk |
| 21:02.07 | dataw0lf | wish I had been there |
| 21:04.03 | mindjuju | the eats were good |
| 21:05.26 | _psychic_ | where'd you go, mindjuju ? |
| 21:05.45 | mindjuju | himalayan kitchen |
| 21:06.30 | mindjuju | hey _psychic_ are those people still giving you a hard time about your CP80 blog? |
| 21:06.37 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 21:07.13 | mindjuju | somebody quoted a pete ashdown quote of a Harvard study on why cp80 bad earlier |
| 21:07.21 | mindjuju | don't think you were online, but it's a good article |
| 21:07.28 | Lone_Wanderer | beandog: beautiful find |
| 21:07.36 | beandog | :) |
| 21:08.34 | mindjuju | here it is _psychic_ |
| 21:08.35 | mindjuju | http://peteashdown.org/journal/2007/04/06/harvard-law-on-cp80/ |
| 21:08.50 | mindjuju | it's essentially, your exact same arguments |
| 21:09.08 | _psychic_ | Yeah he liked my blog post I think |
| 21:09.21 | _psychic_ | I'm probably going to try to get a site up soon |
| 21:09.25 | _psychic_ | that details my concerns |
| 21:10.32 | _psychic_ | I've already got a domain registered so there. :P |
| 21:10.56 | mindjuju | darn! |
| 21:11.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Where do you work mindjuju? |
| 21:11.36 | mindjuju | in Draper |
| 21:11.44 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 21:11.49 | Lone_Wanderer | for some reason I thought it was farther than that |
| 21:11.50 | mindjuju | you? |
| 21:11.55 | Lone_Wanderer | foothill village |
| 21:11.59 | dataw0lf | I love pretty much all of Pete's ideas on specific issues |
| 21:12.04 | dataw0lf | http://vote.peteashdown.org/issues/iraq.html |
| 21:12.08 | dataw0lf | Smart, simple argument. |
| 21:12.19 | mindjuju | i'm not back in office yet, i'm at xmission doing so work on the servers |
| 21:12.20 | Lone_Wanderer | It was a great lunch dataw0lf. |
| 21:12.28 | Lone_Wanderer | WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE HAD YOU THERE |
| 21:12.33 | dataw0lf | I'm in San Fran |
| 21:12.38 | Lone_Wanderer | I know :p |
| 21:13.02 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: dear goodness that harvard law stuff is good stuff |
| 21:13.14 | mindjuju | in san fran prolly eating on fisherman's wharf and on IRC through his cell |
| 21:13.23 | Lone_Wanderer | btw I submitted that to Reddit |
| 21:13.25 | mindjuju | yeah that harvard stuff is solid |
| 21:13.28 | Lone_Wanderer | y'all should give me karma |
| 21:13.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean mod it up >.> |
| 21:13.56 | mindjuju | i'd post it to your blog |
| 21:14.01 | Lone_Wanderer | My Dad was at Harvard last week, talking about... I don't know what. |
| 21:14.03 | mindjuju | and one up those guys |
| 21:14.31 | Lone_Wanderer | But one of the guys he met with said "At Harvard, we talk a lot about reforming education. At MIT, they actually do it." |
| 21:14.37 | dataw0lf | ~Lone_Wanderer++ |
| 21:14.42 | dataw0lf | ~karma Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:14.42 | jbot | lone_wanderer has karma of 1 |
| 21:14.45 | Lone_Wanderer | (non sequitur, but I was reminded) |
| 21:15.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I think his karma counter resets every time he dies. |
| 21:15.10 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: die |
| 21:15.32 | jbot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 21:15.33 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: die! |
| 21:15.41 | jbot | !lart lone_wanderer |
| 21:15.41 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: DIE! |
| 21:15.43 | jbot | !lart lone_wanderer |
| 21:15.43 | Lone_Wanderer | :'( |
| 21:15.47 | Lone_Wanderer | There we go. |
| 21:15.48 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: resurrect! |
| 21:15.56 | dataw0lf | ~dataw0lf |
| 21:15.57 | jbot | you are probably sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, or a guy who needs to control his temper, or needs to release his anger, or a flying stegosaurus, ... |
| 21:16.02 | dataw0lf | ~karma dataw0lf |
| 21:16.02 | jbot | dataw0lf has karma of 6 |
| 21:16.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Weird. |
| 21:16.17 | Lone_Wanderer | ~karma Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:16.17 | jbot | lone_wanderer has karma of 1 |
| 21:16.27 | Lone_Wanderer | I always thought that restarted him. |
| 21:16.57 | dataw0lf | ~die |
| 21:16.58 | jbot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 21:18.26 | mindjuju | brb |
| 21:18.32 | beandog | heh |
| 21:18.34 | beandog | nice. |
| 21:18.36 | beandog | ~karma beandog |
| 21:18.36 | jbot | beandog has karma of 4 |
| 21:18.40 | beandog | :@ |
| 21:18.44 | beandog | dataw0lf > beandog |
| 21:19.36 | beandog | I wonder how many times I can listen to the same album in a row without going mad |
| 21:21.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I bet you'd tune it out eventually. |
| 21:21.19 | Lone_Wanderer | But I wouldn't bet on that |
| 21:21.30 | dataw0lf | beandog: so true |
| 21:21.33 | Lone_Wanderer | because there's no way to prove that you can listen to an album an infinite number of times without going mad |
| 21:21.35 | dataw0lf | (dataw0lf > beandog) |
| 21:32.54 | Lone_Wanderer | well dataw0lf, thanks to you I have no excuse to leave early today |
| 21:41.18 | beandog | just say your cat is on fire. |
| 21:41.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I do actually have to get to the apartment complex I want to move into |
| 21:41.49 | Lone_Wanderer | and fill out papers and stuff |
| 21:41.51 | beandog | oh yah? what'd you find |
| 21:42.31 | Lone_Wanderer | A place in Taylorsville. |
| 21:42.39 | Lone_Wanderer | It's cheap and fairly decent. |
| 21:43.20 | beandog | nice. |
| 21:43.30 | Lone_Wanderer | As a matter of fact I'm going to call them right now. |
| 21:44.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Meh. No answer. |
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| 21:49.55 | beandog | hola fungus__ |
| 21:49.57 | beandog | how was lunch |
| 21:50.23 | fungus__ | Great |
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| 21:51.06 | fungus | The best indian food I ever had. |
| 21:51.16 | fungus | (although that isn't saying much) |
| 21:52.09 | beandog | heh |
| 21:52.11 | beandog | cool. |
| 21:52.14 | beandog | was it spendy? |
| 21:52.40 | Lone_Wanderer | not bad |
| 21:53.03 | beandog | mindjuju: we gotta go to the Argentine Grill next time :D |
| 21:53.11 | beandog | 'we' as in everybody and maybe me. |
| 21:53.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, you are slacking. |
| 21:53.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Because you're a slacker. |
| 21:53.44 | beandog | well it comes naturally. |
| 21:53.52 | Lone_Wanderer | You've got so much slack you could be a Cardinal in the Church of the Subgenius. |
| 21:54.02 | beandog | ooh, Cardinal. |
| 21:55.29 | beandog | sounds important. |
| 21:55.29 | dataw0lf | cardinal sins |
| 21:55.29 | dataw0lf | wait |
| 21:55.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, it is. |
| 21:55.30 | Lone_Wanderer | There's only like 50 Cardinals in the Catholic church. |
| 21:55.30 | Lone_Wanderer | For the whole world. |
| 21:55.35 | dataw0lf | a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord amongst brethen" |
| 21:55.35 | dataw0lf | there we go |
| 21:55.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Those are the cardinal sins? |
| 21:55.59 | beandog | yah |
| 21:56.12 | dataw0lf | Proverbs 6:17 or some such |
| 21:56.28 | Lone_Wanderer | So pride, dishonesty, murder, lust, umm... mischief?, lying again, and backstabbing? |
| 21:56.47 | beandog | http://scriptures.nephi.org/scriptures.php?volume=ot&book=prov&chapter=6#chapter |
| 21:56.49 | Lone_Wanderer | So apparently talking bad about your neighbor is on the same level as murder? |
| 21:56.54 | beandog | hese six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: |
| 21:57.07 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: thats right, so no more smack from you! |
| 21:57.15 | Lone_Wanderer | yadda yadda hatred yadda abomination |
| 21:57.48 | beandog | well, technically it doesnt say anything about them being on the same level. |
| 21:57.57 | beandog | just that they are abominations. |
| 21:58.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, gotcha. |
| 21:58.26 | dataw0lf | they talk about a lot of sins in the bible, the Catholics were the ones who invented the 7 Cardinal Sins |
| 21:59.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it even possible to fully obey the Law of Moses? |
| 21:59.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Even in theory? |
| 21:59.22 | beandog | yah |
| 21:59.27 | beandog | Its not *that* bad. |
| 21:59.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Are you sure? Have you read all of the laws? |
| 21:59.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Not that I have |
| 22:00.19 | beandog | Theres a lot of crazy stuff in there, but I dont think it would have been too strenuous. |
| 22:00.24 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 22:00.27 | Lone_Wanderer | so if I were Jewish |
| 22:00.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I could actually be 100% obedient |
| 22:00.37 | dataw0lf | everyone covets |
| 22:00.41 | dataw0lf | it's unstoppable |
| 22:00.43 | dataw0lf | human nature |
| 22:01.28 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: I suppose so, it is a lower law. Mostly performances and ordinances and stuff like that. |
| 22:01.50 | beandog | I wouldnt wanna go sacrificing animals any time soon myself, though. |
| 22:01.51 | Lone_Wanderer | It'd probably be harder if you were a Levite. |
| 22:01.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Are there even any Levites around any more? |
| 22:02.02 | dataw0lf | one of the primary reasons why I'm not religious is because I just can't imagine a greedy, selfish, irrational, vengeful, and envious God. |
| 22:02.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Not including Mormons whose patriarchal blessings say they are. |
| 22:02.12 | dataw0lf | if there's a God, he's none of the above, I promise. |
| 22:02.55 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: what do you mean? if the p.b. says they are, then they would be through bloodline anyway. |
| 22:03.17 | beandog | or adopted, I suppose. Either way its a possiblity. |
| 22:04.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I'm guessing that the Jews don't recognize Mormon patriarchal authority. |
| 22:04.27 | Lone_Wanderer | My real question is whether the Levites are one of the lost ten tribes. |
| 22:04.29 | dataw0lf | heh, doubtful |
| 22:04.35 | beandog | I dont think there are many things that religions respect between each other as far as authority goes. |
| 22:04.44 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: yes, they are |
| 22:05.09 | beandog | bah, which two arent the lost ones? I cant remember now. Judah and something. |
| 22:05.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Benjamin |
| 22:05.57 | beandog | yah |
| 22:06.03 | beandog | Judah -> Jews |
| 22:06.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I think. Lemme look it up. |
| 22:06.05 | beandog | yah |
| 22:06.09 | beandog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Tribes |
| 22:06.10 | Lone_Wanderer | (Just kidding, I googled it :p) |
| 22:06.21 | Lone_Wanderer | So what are the Benjaminites? |
| 22:07.14 | beandog | Jews |
| 22:07.24 | dataw0lf | they're all jews |
| 22:07.28 | beandog | Jews == of the kingdom of Judah |
| 22:07.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, so the tribe of Judah and Benjamin just all kind of mashed up into one? Or what? |
| 22:07.42 | beandog | right |
| 22:07.47 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 22:07.59 | beandog | The Tribe of Judah and the Tribe of Benjamin joined together to form the Kingdom of Judah and are traditionally considered the ancestors of most of today's Jews. |
| 22:08.26 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh okay |
| 22:10.43 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, I'm out of here |
| 22:10.50 | Lone_Wanderer | off to sign my rent paper thingies. |
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| 23:29.41 | mgeary | well, i guess that's it for me |
| 23:29.43 | mgeary | later folks |
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