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| 00:03.40 | Bruce_Lee | macnewbold |
| 00:04.03 | Lone_Wanderer | He's gone for the day. |
| 00:04.22 | Bruce_Lee | oh hey Lone_Wanderer |
| 00:04.27 | Bruce_Lee | i need a soundboard, got a sec? |
| 00:04.30 | Lone_Wanderer | sure |
| 00:04.40 | Bruce_Lee | k, i'm writting a knowledgebase |
| 00:04.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Even though you insulted my Si Jo. |
| 00:05.02 | Bruce_Lee | and when you search for something, it brings up a page of results |
| 00:05.07 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 00:05.58 | Bruce_Lee | so, i'm thinking, wouldn't it be cool, if when you click on what you think you want in the knowledgebase, if i allow you to see the results of the thing you searched for, on the page of the knowledgebase article that you clicked to see |
| 00:06.13 | Bruce_Lee | make sense so far? |
| 00:06.17 | Lone_Wanderer | (I've got to leave in a minute as well.) |
| 00:06.34 | Lone_Wanderer | You lost me on that last bit. |
| 00:06.36 | Bruce_Lee | oh, well, this may be beyond a few minutes |
| 00:06.59 | Bruce_Lee | that's ok, i'll mull it a bit more unless somebody else here |
| 00:07.04 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 00:07.06 | Lone_Wanderer | try the mailing list too |
| 00:07.12 | Lone_Wanderer | that way I can look over it in the morning when I get back |
| 00:07.21 | Bruce_Lee | k |
| 00:07.29 | Bruce_Lee | cya |
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| 04:41.34 | bradym | anyone around that uses code igniter? |
| 04:42.47 | herlo | bradym: I've used it in the past, not recent. I like it... |
| 04:43.34 | bradym | i'm trying to figure out the best way to integrate the GeSHi syntax highlighter into a project i'm building using CI -- any suggestions? |
| 04:44.14 | bradym | GeSHi - http://qbnz.com/highlighter/ |
| 04:44.29 | burnin | taking a peek now |
| 04:45.06 | burnin | so it is a php class that adds html tags for highlighting? |
| 04:46.05 | bradym | you use the <code> tag to identify code that should be highlighted and it displays it using the appropriate syntax highlighting for the language |
| 04:46.51 | burnin | where does geshi fit in, within the PHP engine, Apache, or somewhere else? |
| 04:47.18 | bradym | it's written in php |
| 04:47.48 | burnin | ah, I see now |
| 04:48.02 | bradym | i've only ever plugged it into existing systems by following directions someone has posted, so i'm not really sure how to use it on my own ;) |
| 04:48.11 | bradym | looking through the code now to try and figure it out |
| 04:48.34 | burnin | I think you would create a controller that includes geshi, processes the text to be displayed, and then pass it to the view. |
| 04:49.30 | burnin | or you may use a model, but I haven't tried using models in codeigniter yet. |
| 04:49.49 | burnin | don't know if that helps, but its time to sleep, nite. |
| 04:51.26 | herlo | I've used models, they're more for database management |
| 04:52.12 | bradym | that's what i thought, though i'm also new to the whole MVC setup ;) |
| 04:52.12 | herlo | bradym: I'd try what burnin suggested. |
| 04:52.33 | herlo | basically, process the input with a controller, and have the view markup the appropriate text. |
| 04:53.55 | bradym | maybe a helper would be the way to go? that way the highlighting isn't tied to a specific controller or view, and could be used anywhere in the project? |
| 04:58.01 | herlo | yeah, that sounds reasonable. Make the helper be generic enough that you can use it in any controller. And if the data is coming from a different source, it would be easy to implement... |
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| 07:37.52 | tierra | GeSHi has a PHP API for use... I've written a MediaWiki extension to use it before (like so: http://wxwiki.org/WxDialog ) ... anyway, it comes down to basically initializing a new parser, setting options, and it outputs styled HTML (with inline CSS markup, it's kinda ugly, but it works well) |
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| 15:19.10 | timinator | morning ladies |
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| 15:22.27 | herlo | ~smack timinator for indicating I am anything but a girl |
| 15:22.28 | jbot | ACTION smacks timinator for indicating I am anything but a girl upside the head. |
| 15:22.34 | herlo | :) |
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| 15:22.40 | timinator | :) |
| 15:23.06 | PoeticIntensity | Bruce_Lee ? Who might *you* be? |
| 15:23.07 | herlo | jbot: say I am no Lady! |
| 15:23.09 | jbot | I am no Lady! |
| 15:23.25 | mgeary | morning folks |
| 15:23.33 | PoeticIntensity | Is your kung-foo as mighty as mine? |
| 15:23.35 | mgeary | ~whack Bruce_Lee |
| 15:23.51 | jbot | ACTION whacks Bruce_Lee upside the head. |
| 15:23.52 | herlo | oooh, is tomorrow Geek Lunch? |
| 15:23.52 | PoeticIntensity | *ding ding ding!!!!* |
| 15:24.12 | PoeticIntensity | I wanna see this. |
| 15:26.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Bruce Lee's kung fu sucks. |
| 15:26.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I could totally take him. |
| 15:27.02 | Lone_Wanderer | He'd just lie there. |
| 15:27.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Exactly. |
| 15:27.13 | Lone_Wanderer | He's got no chance. |
| 15:27.43 | Lone_Wanderer | It'd be like fighting someone who's alive, only tied down, blind, deaf, and otherwise unable to think or react in any way. |
| 15:28.36 | Lone_Wanderer | (Also, when he was alive, he insulted my sifu's sifu's sifu. Which is JUST LIKE insulting me personally.) |
| 15:28.54 | mgeary | ~wiki sifu |
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| 15:29.44 | Lone_Wanderer | "Literally, Sifu translates to "teacher-father". Whilst commonly used these days for any teacher of the Chinese martial arts, the word carries much more weight traditionally." |
| 15:32.15 | _psychic_ | ~wiki sensei |
| 15:32.36 | Lone_Wanderer | sensei is like sifu, only more stupid |
| 15:32.47 | Lone_Wanderer | because sensei is Japanese and sifu is Chinese |
| 15:32.47 | _psychic_ | dude |
| 15:32.53 | _psychic_ | ninjas have senseis |
| 15:33.00 | _psychic_ | that means sensei is cooler |
| 15:33.08 | Lone_Wanderer | nah |
| 15:33.19 | Lone_Wanderer | ninjas can't even successfully invade China |
| 15:33.25 | _psychic_ | What, I ask you, is the Chinese equivalent of a ninja? |
| 15:33.33 | _psychic_ | ninjas are mammals |
| 15:33.37 | Lone_Wanderer | There isn't one. China doesn't need ninjas. |
| 15:33.45 | _psychic_ | ninjas flip out and kill people |
| 15:34.04 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart Japan |
| 15:34.04 | jbot | dumps 42 tons of dirt, manure, and fish heads on Japan |
| 15:34.14 | _psychic_ | ~lart chubby shao-lin monks |
| 15:34.14 | jbot | installs a bad bootloader on chubby shao-lin monks and turns chubby shao-lin monks into a brick |
| 15:34.20 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 15:34.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Shaolin monks aren't chubby! |
| 15:34.46 | Lone_Wanderer | They're big boned |
| 15:34.52 | _psychic_ | ~wiki kemosabe |
| 15:35.35 | _psychic_ | Lone_Wanderer: dude they wear girl clothes. Ninjas have swords, and cool masks. And their shoes are cool. And they throw stars and stuff. |
| 15:35.51 | Lone_Wanderer | And they die when fighting Shaolin monks. |
| 15:36.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Dude, The Art of War was written in China. |
| 15:36.12 | _psychic_ | Shogun. |
| 15:36.13 | Lone_Wanderer | What does Japan have, the Book of Five Rings? |
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| 15:36.19 | _psychic_ | ^^ |
| 15:36.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh, not rings! |
| 15:36.49 | _psychic_ | http://www.netjak.com/review.php/1199 |
| 15:36.53 | Lone_Wanderer | (Seriously though, China is way better.) |
| 15:37.07 | Lone_Wanderer | If only because Karate came from Japan. |
| 15:37.21 | _psychic_ | I don't have any qualms about monks vs. ninjas, but China is not a great place to live right now. |
| 15:37.27 | mgeary | Shogun is an awesome book and miniseries |
| 15:37.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Well not right *now*. |
| 15:37.39 | Lone_Wanderer | (Although it's getting better.) |
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| 15:38.03 | Lone_Wanderer | But back when the Shaolin temple was around, China totally rocked. |
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| 16:05.11 | Utah_Dave | I have a question about snmp |
| 16:05.31 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: Go for it... |
| 16:05.40 | Utah_Dave | my boss and coworkers don't want to enable it on our cisco routers because they think it will slow them down too much |
| 16:06.13 | Utah_Dave | Would snmp slow them down that much? |
| 16:06.59 | Utah_Dave | We have a T-1 that we've been having problems with. So we have a guy log into the router every morning and check the status |
| 16:07.02 | Utah_Dave | then we report that |
| 16:07.53 | Utah_Dave | I thought it would be nice to do that remotely. I've seen several pieces of software that graph all that out for you |
| 16:11.00 | _psychic_ | Utah_Dave: ask them which is slower: the router responding to a script once and a while, or the "guy" forgetting to check in and having the router down for a few minutes/hours. :) |
| 16:11.51 | mgeary | uggh. |
| 16:12.18 | _psychic_ | 6 |
| 16:12.19 | _psychic_ | wow |
| 16:12.46 | mgeary | no templates, no objects. ugh |
| 16:13.14 | Utah_Dave | I don't have any experience using snmp, but I just can't believe it would cause such a performance hit that anybody would notice |
| 16:13.32 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: i don't either, but i agree with your inclination |
| 16:15.45 | breece | Utah_Dave: a lot of it depends on your setup & hardware |
| 16:16.50 | breece | unless your router is fully utilized shuffling packets for the T1 (unlikely), then the bandwidth would be the bottleneck |
| 16:16.50 | Utah_Dave | I just want to set up mrtg to check a specific router every 10 minutes or so and check if our T-1 is up or down. I'd like a nice pretty graph as well. |
| 16:17.25 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: Enabling SNMP on the router won't slow it down |
| 16:17.42 | Utah_Dave | I brought it up and everybody was like, "Whoa! I don't know about that. We don't want to slow down our network. etc, etc, etc |
| 16:17.43 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: Neither will having mrtg or cacti or nagios querying it |
| 16:17.49 | breece | ...and if the SNMP traffic is only on your internal network (not going out over the T1), then it wouldn't slow down that, either |
| 16:17.59 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: If it slows down your router, then you've got one crappy router! |
| 16:18.14 | Utah_Dave | they're pretty nice Cisco routers. |
| 16:19.36 | jsmith | Utah_Dave: Tell your coworkers that they're freakin' morons ;-) |
| 16:20.44 | Utah_Dave | OK, I was pretty dang sure that was the case. I just didn't want to start pushing harder for it if I was completely wrong. |
| 16:23.52 | Lone_Wanderer | macnewbold: ping |
| 16:33.33 | timinator | BRB |
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| 17:18.59 | PoeticIntensity | ok..... I am *completely* confused. |
| 17:19.18 | PoeticIntensity | can someone take a look at a *very, very very very* simple script and tell me what the **** I"m doing wrong!? |
| 17:19.26 | mgeary | heh |
| 17:19.28 | mgeary | sure |
| 17:19.29 | PoeticIntensity | http://www.gotoonlineprofits.com/pagetwo_test.html |
| 17:19.39 | PoeticIntensity | *WHY* won't that submit!?!?!??! |
| 17:20.02 | mgeary | there's no document |
| 17:20.07 | mgeary | add HTML and body tags |
| 17:20.25 | mgeary | you're saying "document.form1test" but the document entity would be linked to the html/body tags |
| 17:20.32 | mgeary | pretty sure, anyway |
| 17:20.47 | mgeary | also, it's bad form to just have <script> and not type it to javascript |
| 17:21.08 | mgeary | also, don't have an input type of "submit" and have an "onclick". either use a submit, or use a button with an onclick |
| 17:21.10 | mgeary | :) |
| 17:21.19 | mgeary | oh |
| 17:21.20 | mgeary | my bad |
| 17:21.22 | mgeary | you did. sorry |
| 17:21.23 | PoeticIntensity | it's not .... |
| 17:21.26 | PoeticIntensity | I found the problem. |
| 17:21.32 | PoeticIntensity | ~smack PoeticIntensity |
| 17:21.33 | jbot | ACTION smacks PoeticIntensity upside the head. |
| 17:21.40 | mgeary | what fixed it? |
| 17:21.43 | PoeticIntensity | the button's "name" is "submit" |
| 17:21.54 | PoeticIntensity | holy crap. |
| 17:21.54 | mgeary | that's okay, though |
| 17:21.57 | PoeticIntensity | nope... |
| 17:21.59 | PoeticIntensity | evidently, not. |
| 17:22.02 | PoeticIntensity | take it out, and it works. |
| 17:22.12 | mgeary | weird |
| 17:22.17 | PoeticIntensity | try it again, and it works now. |
| 17:22.30 | mgeary | well go figure |
| 17:22.36 | PoeticIntensity | note to self: NEVER NAME A SUBMIT BUTTON "submit" !!!!! |
| 17:22.45 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 17:22.51 | PoeticIntensity | holy crap... |
| 17:22.53 | mgeary | well, never name a "BUTTON" submit |
| 17:23.00 | mgeary | button != submit |
| 17:23.35 | PoeticIntensity | to http://www.gotoonlineprofits.com/pagetwo_test.html to find the frickin' problem. |
| 17:23.39 | _psychic_ | whoa she's excited |
| 17:23.57 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... |
| 17:24.01 | PoeticIntensity | she has problems. |
| 17:24.12 | PoeticIntensity | HOLY **** THAT'S A LAPTOP SCREEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 17:24.21 | PoeticIntensity | sorry, guys.... |
| 17:24.25 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 17:24.50 | PoeticIntensity | mgeary, right.... never give a "button" the name "submit" |
| 17:25.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Can a p contain other block-level elements? Specifically, a table? |
| 17:25.53 | PoeticIntensity | most definitely. |
| 17:25.57 | Lone_Wanderer | k cool |
| 17:25.59 | PoeticIntensity | not sure if it's right to do so, but yes. |
| 17:25.59 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 17:26.03 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 17:26.40 | _psychic_ | http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml2/mod-structural.html#edef_structural_p |
| 17:26.50 | _psychic_ | "In comparison with earlier versions of HTML, where a paragraph could only contain inline text, XHTML2's paragraphs represent the conceptual idea of a paragraph, and so may contain lists, blockquotes, pre's and tables as well as inline text. Note however that they may not contain directly nested p elements." |
| 17:29.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh wow. That looks hideous. |
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| 18:02.24 | mindjuju | ~crackskulls poeticIntensity and mgeary |
| 18:02.26 | jbot | ACTION grabs poeticIntensity and mgeary and Utah_Dave 's heads and slams them together knocking both unconscious. Jbot then turns to mindjuju to see who else needs a wallop. |
| 18:02.38 | PoeticIntensity | heeeere we go again.... |
| 18:02.41 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 18:02.44 | mindjuju | heh |
| 18:03.04 | mgeary | jeeze. three at a time |
| 18:05.30 | mindjuju | As I was getting ready to come into work today, i turned on the set, and guess what was on... the movie Hackers. it's amazingly funny to watch them drool over a laptop with .... ooooh! Active Matrix Screen and .... a 28,8 modem! |
| 18:07.05 | mgeary | (original) 10,000 Maniacs++++++ |
| 18:15.13 | Lone_Wanderer | They should learn to just use words like "high speed" instead of naming specific technologies. |
| 18:15.24 | mindjuju | funny you say that |
| 18:15.30 | mgeary | but then they don't sound like hackers |
| 18:15.31 | mindjuju | they also mentioned the P6 RISC |
| 18:16.30 | Lone_Wanderer | And "hacking a Gibson". |
| 18:16.40 | mindjuju | yeah, that was funny |
| 18:16.59 | mindjuju | i didn't realize the chix0r was Anglena Jolle |
| 18:18.22 | Lone_Wanderer | A very young Angelina Jolie. |
| 18:30.48 | timinator | rawr |
| 18:37.16 | Lone_Wanderer | ~cower timinator |
| 18:37.34 | mgeary | ~torment timinator |
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| 19:28.57 | mgeary | any math/logic nerds out there? http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=view |
| 19:29.55 | mgeary | i've solved (only) 32 of these so far, and am thus classified "22% genius". Not sure whether to be proud or ashamed |
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| 19:53.33 | timinator | what Lone_Wanderer? She's a hottie! |
| 19:53.58 | Lone_Wanderer | What? Who? |
| 19:55.37 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 20:05.52 | mindjuju | i think timinator is talking about young angelina jolie |
| 20:06.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh. |
| 20:06.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I think jbot is too. |
| 20:06.25 | mindjuju | jbot is hot? |
| 20:06.32 | mindjuju | i always imagined jbot as being masculine |
| 20:06.59 | Lone_Wanderer | No, I think jbot is talking about the young Angelina Jolie when he said "Is this going to involve RAW human ecstasy?" |
| 20:07.13 | Lone_Wanderer | P.S. I own a mango. |
| 20:07.29 | mindjuju | O I C |
| 20:07.36 | mgeary | C D B? |
| 20:07.45 | Lone_Wanderer | KJW |
| 20:07.51 | mindjuju | M R Ducks |
| 20:08.04 | Lone_Wanderer | (King James' Word, the Urban version of the Bible.) |
| 20:08.15 | jsmith | C D BD Is? |
| 20:08.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Ja. |
| 20:08.43 | mindjuju | C M Wangs! |
| 20:09.32 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2000/05/05 |
| 20:09.32 | mindjuju | L I B, M R Ducks! |
| 20:09.52 | Lone_Wanderer | (Potentially NSFW if you work with super conservative Mormons.) |
| 20:10.28 | mindjuju | i've never seen that utility in a chip clip before |
| 20:10.52 | Lone_Wanderer | That's why you're not Gabe. |
| 20:30.07 | wps | anyone else get Good Friday off? |
| 20:30.31 | mgeary | not i |
| 20:30.56 | wps | this is the first year that I ever have |
| 20:31.07 | mgeary | ~envy wps |
| 20:31.10 | wps | my company went from 7 to 10 paid holidays starting 2007 |
| 20:31.34 | wps | they added one more on thanksgiving and christmas each and then good friday |
| 20:31.41 | mgeary | nice |
| 20:31.54 | mgeary | 10 more and you'll almost be up to European standards ;) |
| 20:34.18 | wps | :) |
| 20:35.45 | jsmith | wps: Not only don't I have it off, I've got a big project I've gotta tackle and have done tomorrow |
| 20:35.59 | wps | ug |
| 21:00.21 | _psychic_ | what's faster, str_replace, or the pcre functions? |
| 21:00.26 | mgeary | str_replace |
| 21:00.34 | mgeary | doesn't have the overhead of the regex engine |
| 21:00.38 | mgeary | nor the flexibility |
| 21:00.47 | mgeary | which is also why explode() is faster than split() |
| 21:01.05 | _psychic_ | kinda figgered |
| 21:01.08 | _psychic_ | thanks mgeary |
| 21:01.11 | mgeary | np |
| 21:01.46 | mgeary | the real question might be, would the performance hit from preg_replace be noticeable? |
| 21:02.05 | _psychic_ | in this case it would be |
| 21:02.10 | _psychic_ | its during a migration script |
| 21:02.15 | mgeary | ah |
| 21:02.19 | _psychic_ | and the match/replace happens tens of thousands of times. |
| 21:02.29 | _psychic_ | well, maybe 20K |
| 21:02.31 | mgeary | whee |
| 21:02.43 | mgeary | but not on the same string, right? |
| 21:02.58 | _psychic_ | no - on each record I move over |
| 21:03.18 | mgeary | you know you could have mysql do that in your db result |
| 21:03.33 | mgeary | then it'd do an entire queryset at once |
| 21:03.43 | _psychic_ | I think what I have works |
| 21:03.47 | _psychic_ | its not a huge deal |
| 21:03.58 | _psychic_ | mostly just curious for future reference |
| 21:04.00 | mgeary | yeah |
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| 21:24.02 | wps | what a great song |
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| 21:36.12 | mgeary | woot for the 80s |
| 21:44.36 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 21:47.47 | mgeary | he's been pretty quiet lately |
| 21:51.25 | mgeary | http://166.70.44.60/download/mg/yarr.mp3 you know you want to listen to this |
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| 21:56.31 | sisplau | ji |
| 21:56.54 | mgeary | guten Tag |
| 21:58.34 | mgeary | sisplau: isn't it about 24:00 for you? |
| 21:58.45 | sisplau | yes |
| 21:58.54 | sisplau | 23:58 |
| 21:59.18 | sisplau | today and tomorrow fiesta |
| 21:59.25 | mgeary | aha. yeah |
| 21:59.33 | mgeary | we were talking about European holidays a bit earlier |
| 21:59.49 | mgeary | we're all working today, and most of us tomorrow |
| 21:59.56 | sisplau | the next week holidays |
| 22:00.41 | sisplau | entiendes el español? |
| 22:01.31 | mgeary | no habla |
| 22:01.36 | mgeary | hablo? |
| 22:01.44 | mgeary | ich kann aber Deutsch :) |
| 22:02.01 | sisplau | vacaciones |
| 22:02.09 | sisplau | wait |
| 22:02.14 | timinator | you guys writing in code again? |
| 22:02.23 | timinator | I can't read a blasted thing |
| 22:02.41 | mgeary | heheh |
| 22:02.52 | mgeary | we were just saying how much your feet stink |
| 22:04.09 | sisplau | you english is diferent than the uk english |
| 22:04.33 | mgeary | heheh. yes |
| 22:04.59 | mgeary | but what makes you say that? |
| 22:05.36 | sisplau | me cuesta mas |
| 22:05.44 | sisplau | not easy for mi |
| 22:05.50 | sisplau | i know |
| 22:05.54 | sisplau | i need to practice |
| 22:06.06 | sisplau | my ex girfriend is english teacher |
| 22:06.08 | sisplau | xD |
| 22:06.27 | mgeary | "cuesta" ? |
| 22:06.41 | timinator | now he's talking about your feet |
| 22:06.44 | timinator | :) |
| 22:06.48 | mgeary | hahahah |
| 22:06.55 | sisplau | it costs to me much |
| 22:07.01 | sisplau | by altavista |
| 22:07.05 | mgeary | ahh |
| 22:07.19 | mgeary | sisplau: you on Windows, or Mac? |
| 22:07.28 | sisplau | linux |
| 22:07.29 | timinator | gotta run boys.... later |
| 22:07.42 | sisplau | i have a notebook with windows |
| 22:08.24 | sisplau | you? |
| 22:08.28 | mgeary | 'cause Mac has a built-in translator widget |
| 22:08.30 | mgeary | OS X |
| 22:08.34 | sisplau | ok |
| 22:08.39 | sisplau | tiger? |
| 22:09.16 | sisplau | in europe is most used windows tham mac |
| 22:09.32 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:09.42 | sisplau | *than |
| 22:10.00 | mgeary | "in europe, windows is more commonly used than mac" |
| 22:10.03 | thebigdog | they should use linux |
| 22:10.03 | mgeary | :) |
| 22:10.10 | sisplau | thanks |
| 22:10.18 | mgeary | *Windows, Mac |
| 22:11.28 | sisplau | you have not proven Ubuntu? |
| 22:11.33 | sisplau | Dbian |
| 22:11.37 | sisplau | *Debian |
| 22:11.42 | mgeary | not *tried* Ubuntu |
| 22:11.48 | sisplau | is cool |
| 22:12.02 | mgeary | proven == determined that something is correct |
| 22:12.15 | sisplau | altavista |
| 22:12.18 | mgeary | heh |
| 22:12.18 | sisplau | sorry |
| 22:12.21 | mgeary | no prob |
| 22:12.30 | mgeary | just trying to help. if it's annoying, i'll stop |
| 22:12.33 | mgeary | gotta go anyway |
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| 22:13.38 | sisplau | o_O |
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| 22:19.58 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 22:20.22 | jbot | tries to shut wps up |
| 22:21.13 | thebigdog | you can |
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| 22:24.53 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: sisplau meant "tried Ubuntu" when he said "proven Ubuntu" |
| 22:25.36 | mindjuju | anybody here work with captcha and spambots? |
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| 22:29.57 | beandog | I can tell from the docs, but does mysql4 let you set a function to a default value of a column? |
| 22:30.01 | beandog | er, can't tell |
| 22:31.06 | beandog | bah, nope. |
| 22:31.09 | beandog | http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/data-type-defaults.html |
| 22:34.32 | mindjuju | wow, as it turns out, i'm no where near the internet junkie i thought i was |
| 22:34.33 | mindjuju | Admitted "Internet junkie" and Chattanooga resident Cameron Smith also had his service cut off in January for one year. "They said there wasn't a limit [for downloading] but that I was downloading too much, about 550 gigs. I backed off to about 450 gigs, but they still suspended us." |
| 22:34.55 | beandog | half a tb? sheesh. |
| 22:35.15 | mindjuju | do you pull in more than that? |
| 22:35.44 | mindjuju | here is the whole article, by the way http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2111373,00.asp |
| 22:35.47 | beandog | those crazy chattanoogalins. |
| 22:37.51 | beandog | ah hah |
| 22:37.53 | beandog | now theres a workaround. |
| 22:37.56 | beandog | set the default to null |
| 22:38.05 | beandog | ALTER TABLE foo ADD COLUMN update_date timestamp NOT NULL; |
| 22:38.06 | beandog | woots. |
| 22:38.07 | mindjuju | hey beandog, do you work at all with capcha ? |
| 22:38.16 | beandog | I capcha the women's hearts. |
| 22:38.25 | thebigdog | mindjuju, when you look at porn all day you hit those number... dataw0lf tells me |
| 22:38.31 | wps | ba-dump… ching! |
| 22:38.34 | beandog | ~rimshot |
| 22:38.44 | jbot | ch-ch-chhh |
| 22:38.46 | mindjuju | hilarious |
| 22:38.47 | beandog | mindjuju: no, they are evile, annoying, and worthless. |
| 22:38.50 | beandog | why whats up |
| 22:39.05 | beandog | need something to stop beef wheats? |
| 22:39.14 | wps | ~beef wheats |
| 22:39.32 | mindjuju | well, i was just wondering, these spambots are reading the weaker captcha and figuring out what it says, using some sort of OCR, right? |
| 22:39.39 | beandog | yah |
| 22:39.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Like beef hearts, only grain instead of protein. |
| 22:40.19 | mindjuju | k, so what if the captcha was a series of 3 seperate images, that were completely easy to read for a human, no swigle lines, no distortion |
| 22:40.30 | mindjuju | i mean, how would the spam bot know to scan all 3 images? |
| 22:40.45 | beandog | who knows |
| 22:40.48 | Lone_Wanderer | The spammer looks at your site and tells it to. |
| 22:40.59 | wps | I've always thought that instead of an image, it would be better to ask a question that requires comprehension |
| 22:41.00 | beandog | If its a common capcha used otherwhere, it might be programmed to use that one |
| 22:41.21 | mindjuju | so does the spambot scan a screen zone or does it scan an image file? |
| 22:41.45 | Lone_Wanderer | I think it scans the image file then performs OCR on it. |
| 22:41.50 | beandog | right |
| 22:41.54 | wps | How many letters are in the word pickle? |
| 22:41.54 | mindjuju | cause i was even going to say with a little CSS magicz, you could have the <img> in 3 different places on the web page and use CSS to slap them together |
| 22:42.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyway, capchas are a dumb solution to the problem, and are annoying. |
| 22:42.22 | wps | a bot can't count |
| 22:42.24 | beandog | mindjuju: what software are you using it on? a blog? |
| 22:42.30 | mindjuju | true that wps, that's a good idea |
| 22:42.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I was going to make wps's suggestion but he beat me to it. |
| 22:43.02 | mindjuju | beandog , more of a forum type thing |
| 22:43.20 | wps | unless it is programmed for your site specifically, but it seems like you could craft the question is such a way that it couldn't be done |
| 22:44.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone should make a captcha-like solution that requires solving a problem that can be dynamically generated and that is also known to be Turing-incomplete, or however you describe problems that a computer can't solve. |
| 22:44.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Like show a really simple Turing machine and ask if it'll halt. |
| 22:44.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Only not, because then you have to explain a Turing machine, what it means to halt, etc. |
| 22:44.43 | wps | it would take quite a bit of work for them to program logic to read the string of text and for a computer to make interpret the english and then act on it |
| 22:45.09 | wps | "what color is washington's white horse?" |
| 22:45.18 | Lone_Wanderer | You could just have a problem in the form of "What is (number) (operation) (number)"? |
| 22:45.36 | mindjuju | wps, some of those questions are likely to trip up people still |
| 22:45.52 | mindjuju | you'd prolly have to have a picture of the horse to accompany that question |
| 22:45.59 | wps | that's be easy, wouldn't it, Lone_Wanderer? writing a script to grab the two numbers and do the math is easy |
| 22:46.05 | mindjuju | like the old, who's buried in Grant's tomb, question |
| 22:46.05 | wps | math is what computers are best at |
| 22:46.27 | Lone_Wanderer | You could do a number of things to make it hard |
| 22:46.35 | Lone_Wanderer | spell two "tw0" |
| 22:46.46 | Lone_Wanderer | insert invisible characters, whatever. |
| 22:47.06 | beandog | check out bad behavior for other ways to see if its a bot or not |
| 22:47.08 | wps | what word immediately proceeds the sixth word in this sentence? how many syllables does it have? |
| 22:47.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Mostly I'm thinking that if it's just his site using the solution, the spammer isn't going to write a custom solution just for his site. |
| 22:47.09 | beandog | I'm sure theyve got some interesting solutions |
| 22:47.24 | wps | I agree with that |
| 22:47.28 | mindjuju | another good question could be though, " if the king sits on gold, who sits on silver?" |
| 22:47.29 | wps | your one-off blog isn't worth their time |
| 22:48.04 | wps | I don't know the answer to that, mindjuju |
| 22:48.22 | mindjuju | lone ranger, of course! |
| 22:48.26 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: the benefit to "what word immediately preceeds the sixth word in this sentence" type questions is that they have to be at least somewhat intelligent to be able to post comments. |
| 22:48.27 | beandog | oy. |
| 22:48.29 | wps | oh me |
| 22:48.30 | mindjuju | it's an old joke, and apparently not very funy |
| 22:48.32 | beandog | and you thought my joke was bad |
| 22:48.36 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 22:48.55 | wps | for sure, Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:49.26 | Lone_Wanderer | If I ever put together a site that people start posting retarded things on, I'm going to add a questionaire to the registration process |
| 22:50.02 | Lone_Wanderer | That will ask simple questions about grammar and spelling, logic, and computers. |
| 22:50.03 | wps | the syllable thing would be pretty good actually now that I think about it |
| 22:50.13 | mindjuju | yeah, it would |
| 22:50.36 | wps | especially in combination with the which word immediately proceeds the ____ word in this sentence |
| 22:50.39 | Lone_Wanderer | And then have their score posted in the signature of every comment they make. |
| 22:50.51 | Lone_Wanderer | That'd be easy to circumvent. |
| 22:51.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Just explode on spaces, count the words, then look it up on dictionary.com. |
| 22:51.29 | Lone_Wanderer | It'd take a couple hours of hacking to parse everything right but you could do it. |
| 22:52.05 | wps | the best thing that you can do is to not allow any source to post to your script |
| 22:52.16 | wps | that has been the weakness of every CMS and blog that I have used |
| 22:52.20 | Lone_Wanderer | ? |
| 22:52.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Just don't allow any POST requests ever? |
| 22:53.07 | wps | once I put a referrer check in there that causes it to only allow the post to come from one specific source (the form, on the same server), it curbs it substantially |
| 22:53.42 | wps | seems like a lot of the bots try to post the correct vars straight to the form script, by passing the effort of using CURL or something to "click" the submit link |
| 22:54.05 | wps | granted, the authors of those system should have had that check in place in the first place |
| 22:54.38 | Lone_Wanderer | You can just set the referrer manually. It comes from the user agent. |
| 22:54.40 | beandog | wps: not allow any source? |
| 22:54.55 | beandog | oh, gotcha. |
| 22:54.58 | beandog | yah, it can be faked anyway. |
| 22:55.05 | beandog | its just part of the HTTP headers, I believe. |
| 22:55.14 | wps | I think that that is what I am trying to say, Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:55.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Even if you require them to request the form itself within 60 seconds of making a post, you can still automate that. |
| 22:55.47 | wps | I'm not talking about a time limit |
| 22:55.55 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: yah but that will stop a few of them too I think |
| 22:55.59 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: I'm saying that requiring it to "come" from your server doesn't actually guarantee anything. |
| 22:56.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Because you don't really know where it comes from. |
| 22:56.33 | beandog | I agree, but I dont doubt it would stop the bots that aren't written as well. |
| 22:56.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, it'd stop the poorly written bots. |
| 22:56.47 | beandog | although I cant imagine why they would ever *not* do that. |
| 22:56.53 | beandog | that's one of the first things I would do. |
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