| 00:07.43 | mindjuju | curious |
| 00:07.56 | Lone_Wanderer | curiouser and curiouser? |
| 00:08.30 | macnewbold | ? |
| 00:08.50 | Lone_Wanderer | It's from Alice in Wonderland. |
| 00:08.50 | macnewbold | double-chai or triple-chai? Or perhaps time-release chai? |
| 00:09.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Time-release chai would be better. |
| 00:09.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I was thinking of something that you can chew on. |
| 00:09.15 | macnewbold | Chai IV? |
| 00:09.24 | macnewbold | Chai sunflower seeds? |
| 00:09.48 | Lone_Wanderer | The IV wouldn't really do it 'cause then I couldn't taste it. |
| 00:09.55 | Lone_Wanderer | What I need is a wire going into my brain |
| 00:10.09 | Lone_Wanderer | hooked up such that when I push a button, I receive the sensation of taking a sip of chai |
| 00:18.56 | mindjuju | grrrr... got the column on the wrong side |
| 00:19.05 | mindjuju | heh, anybody know a pastbin i can use? |
| 00:19.11 | Lone_Wanderer | dpaste |
| 00:19.14 | Lone_Wanderer | ~pastebin |
| 00:19.17 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well |
| 00:22.21 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer, save that into a page and it should work |
| 00:22.21 | mindjuju | http://pastebin.ca/421719 |
| 00:22.38 | mindjuju | was going for speed, so didn't center on page, but that's easily done |
| 00:23.00 | mindjuju | oh, and just slapped the HTML that you had for the left col straight in, so it didn't keep the formating |
| 00:23.37 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 00:23.48 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 00:23.52 | Lone_Wanderer | it kept the line numbers |
| 00:24.19 | mindjuju | hilarious |
| 00:24.43 | mindjuju | i can just post it to the web as a page somewhere |
| 00:25.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, it's working now. |
| 00:25.08 | Lone_Wanderer | No it's okay, there's a text box below with all of that in it. |
| 00:25.16 | mindjuju | oh good |
| 00:25.38 | mindjuju | so your main prob was the 2 center cols, where the pictures were throwing things off, this one should be stretchy |
| 00:25.52 | mindjuju | so if right col is crazy long, it will stretch the left side to match |
| 00:25.56 | mindjuju | is that what you needed? |
| 00:26.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 00:26.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, the left col. is the stretchy one. |
| 00:26.28 | Lone_Wanderer | But I can move things around. |
| 00:26.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Thanks! |
| 00:26.48 | mindjuju | i'll have to try that, but right off, i'm going to say either can stretch |
| 00:27.02 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 00:27.45 | mindjuju | i hope i understood your quandry and that this helps |
| 00:28.44 | Lone_Wanderer | It does :) |
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| 02:24.52 | macnewbold | oh, nice - /me loves IBC |
| 02:25.03 | mindjuju | yeah, good stuff |
| 02:28.15 | Utah_Dave | mindjuju: how many hours a week do you put in? You seem to always be working |
| 02:28.32 | mindjuju | a bunch |
| 02:28.56 | mindjuju | and when not working, i'm studying |
| 02:29.43 | Utah_Dave | fun |
| 02:29.45 | mindjuju | but i am taking 3 days off here in mid may so that my wife and I can have some time |
| 02:29.59 | Utah_Dave | that's cool. I need to take my wife on a vacation, too |
| 02:30.01 | mindjuju | if only i could find a place around here with some trees |
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| 02:31.40 | mindjuju | if we had some extra $$, i'd go to jsmith 's neck of the woods, but alas, getting there would cost |
| 02:32.56 | Utah_Dave | yeah, my wife and I are thinking of going to California |
| 02:32.56 | jsmith | mindjuju: It's not that bad... |
| 02:32.56 | mindjuju | how far is Cali from here? |
| 02:33.07 | jsmith | mindjuju: Which part of Cali? |
| 02:33.16 | mindjuju | to get from Utah to Virginia, then rent a cabin for a couple of days? |
| 02:33.17 | jsmith | mindjuju: LA is only a 10 hour drive from SLC |
| 02:33.29 | mindjuju | eh, i'd rather go to VA |
| 02:33.32 | jsmith | mindjuju: Driving or flying? |
| 02:33.51 | mindjuju | well, we could drive, but that'd prolly take 2, 3 days by itself |
| 02:34.00 | jsmith | Yeah... two days minimum |
| 02:34.15 | jsmith | It's much easier to make it in three |
| 02:34.24 | jsmith | But there are lots of flights out here... |
| 02:34.27 | mindjuju | wanted to have a special vacation with my wife, leave the child behind |
| 02:34.36 | jsmith | Plus you can fly to BWI, Dulles, Reagan National, or Richmond |
| 02:34.58 | mindjuju | but i really wanted a place with a cabin surrounded by trees |
| 02:35.03 | jsmith | mindjuju: If you come out, get a cabin in Shenandoah National Park |
| 02:35.23 | Utah_Dave | uptime on my new server: 20:33:15 up 3 days, 23:20, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 02:35.25 | mindjuju | yeah, i went to school right in the middle of the Blue Ridge Mountains / Parkway |
| 02:35.29 | jsmith | mindjuju: The cabins at "Skyland" in Shenandoah park are great... especially in late September/ early october |
| 02:36.00 | mindjuju | i wonder what tickets cost for VA from SLC |
| 02:36.08 | jsmith | ~250 |
| 02:36.43 | jsmith | Maybe less, depending on how early you book |
| 02:37.10 | jsmith | G'night all! |
| 02:37.13 | mindjuju | cya jsmith |
| 02:37.19 | jsmith | mindjuju: Keep dreamin' of VA ;-) |
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| 13:59.14 | timinator | morning guys |
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| 14:30.36 | optikal | http://www.webdevout.net/ Awesome Web Developer resource |
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| 14:51.41 | dataw0lf | so I'm almost died this weekend! Isn't that nice! |
| 14:53.50 | wps | eh? |
| 14:54.11 | _psychic_ | I'm almost waking |
| 14:54.16 | dataw0lf | my girlfriend made me this dinner on friday night |
| 14:54.30 | dataw0lf | all organic crap |
| 14:54.34 | _psychic_ | lol |
| 14:54.46 | dataw0lf | for the dessert, she had this ice cream esque stuff, and put this pollen crap on it |
| 14:54.49 | wps | yuck |
| 14:54.55 | wps | nasty |
| 14:55.00 | _psychic_ | pollen? |
| 14:55.03 | dataw0lf | within like 5, 10 minutes, my neck / throat had swollen up gigantically |
| 14:55.09 | dataw0lf | started going into respiratory failure |
| 14:55.11 | wps | pics? |
| 14:55.13 | _psychic_ | ?! |
| 14:55.19 | dataw0lf | so, yea, I spent my whole weekend at the hospital |
| 14:55.27 | dataw0lf | got out yesterday |
| 14:55.34 | wps | dang, man |
| 14:55.36 | wps | that's nuts |
| 14:55.36 | dataw0lf | wps: I think my mom may have some |
| 14:55.57 | dataw0lf | I seriously thought I was going to die |
| 14:55.58 | wps | I bet your girlfriend feels awful |
| 14:56.03 | _psychic_ | yeah no joke |
| 14:56.06 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 14:56.17 | Lone_Wanderer | yo dw, did you get my email? |
| 14:56.26 | _psychic_ | that's worth some serious sympathy points |
| 14:56.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I didn't know your address so I sent it to only_gay_men_dance@stderr.ws |
| 14:56.45 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: lemme check |
| 14:57.03 | dataw0lf | I don't have my MX setup though, running our own email server is such a hassle. |
| 14:57.06 | Lone_Wanderer | under the assumption that you've got a catchall set up |
| 14:57.08 | dataw0lf | my* |
| 14:57.29 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah it is, I think I'm going to look into getting the free gmail for my domain thing |
| 14:58.18 | dataw0lf | so what cool stuff did I miss on April 1st on teh internetz |
| 14:58.38 | Lone_Wanderer | I wasn't terribly impressed with any of the jokes. |
| 14:59.08 | dataw0lf | http://www.cbronline.com/article_news.asp?guid=484BC88B-630F-4E74-94E9-8D89DD0E6606 |
| 14:59.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Google did a Toilet Internet Service one. |
| 14:59.44 | wps | there was only one that I fell for |
| 15:00.16 | jsmith | wps: Which was... |
| 15:00.37 | wps | there is a movement to build the "next Word Press" |
| 15:00.39 | wps | it is called Habari |
| 15:00.49 | wps | one of the lead developers said that he had had it with the project and was forking |
| 15:01.16 | wps | and starting a new project without the bureaucracy called ForkPress |
| 15:01.36 | wps | I'm still not 100% sure that it's not true… but I think it's just a joke |
| 15:01.42 | wps | it was fairly elaborate though |
| 15:01.46 | wps | forkpress.com |
| 15:02.23 | wps | habari is real though |
| 15:02.37 | wps | http://www.habariproject.org/en/ |
| 15:05.15 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: I think this is the second time you've come on this channel and said that you almost died over the weekend |
| 15:05.25 | dataw0lf | it's gotta be the third or fourth |
| 15:05.48 | Lone_Wanderer | How did you almost die? |
| 15:05.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Alcohol poisoning? |
| 15:06.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, extreme allergies |
| 15:06.40 | Lone_Wanderer | that happened to my boss once. had to rush him to the hospital. |
| 15:07.02 | _psychic_ | scary :/ |
| 15:07.10 | Lone_Wanderer | only we were trudging through a corn field in late July in the middle of the day, so there was pollen EVERYWHERE |
| 15:07.31 | Lone_Wanderer | We were coated in yelllow |
| 15:07.37 | dataw0lf | I've never had an allergic reaction like that |
| 15:07.50 | dataw0lf | the doctor tried to explain that the organic culinary pollen had something special in it |
| 15:07.52 | Lone_Wanderer | What kind of pollen was it? |
| 15:08.06 | Lone_Wanderer | He tried to explain AFTER he fixed you right? |
| 15:08.33 | dataw0lf | well, yea |
| 15:08.39 | Lone_Wanderer | You weren't sitting in the ER choking to death while he said "Oh! How thrilling. This looks like a perfect example of organic culinary pollen allergies. Come on over, class..." |
| 15:08.40 | dataw0lf | it was some sort of bee pollen |
| 15:09.04 | dataw0lf | heh, no my mom was in the hospital within 5 minutes of the ambulance getting there, she was ordering people around like a general. |
| 15:09.31 | dataw0lf | they thought it might be pesticides in the pollen |
| 15:09.31 | Lone_Wanderer | "Note the blueish haze at his fingertips. This is a classic symptom of oxygen deprivation. Soon he will pass out completely, and then we will begin treatment. Who can tell me the first step? Anyone?" |
| 15:09.37 | dataw0lf | but apparently not |
| 15:09.38 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet |
| 15:09.47 | Lone_Wanderer | is your mom a medical professional of some sort? |
| 15:10.04 | dataw0lf | yes, my mom is a physician on the board of directors at St. Mary's in Reno. |
| 15:10.23 | Lone_Wanderer | oh cool |
| 15:10.29 | dataw0lf | she's in charge of the anesthesiology group |
| 15:11.44 | Lone_Wanderer | So she can hook you up with the good stuff? |
| 15:12.03 | dataw0lf | I don't take painkillers of any sort. |
| 15:13.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Why not? |
| 15:13.52 | dataw0lf | just don't. |
| 15:14.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I try to avoid it. |
| 15:15.24 | Lone_Wanderer | on the theory that if my arm/ankle/whatever is hurting, I don't want to make the pain go away and risk injuring myself further without realizing it |
| 15:17.02 | dataw0lf | feel the burn |
| 15:17.04 | fungus | I take every chance to do drugs legally, that I can. :) |
| 15:17.11 | dataw0lf | anyways, yea, so the weekend sucked. |
| 15:17.30 | dataw0lf | I stopped breathing for a little bit, so I'm thinking of a dive into being a prophet |
| 15:19.09 | Lone_Wanderer | How does not breathing for a bit make you a prophet? |
| 15:19.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I can hold my breath for a couple seconds too. It's voluntary, but still. |
| 15:19.49 | dataw0lf | I dunno, I thought if you stopped breathing, you, like, could, um, y'know, tell the future |
| 15:19.59 | dataw0lf | I did get stuck in traffic this morning, though... |
| 15:20.08 | dataw0lf | thanks for dashing my hopes LW |
| 15:20.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Sorry man. |
| 15:20.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd recommend taking a "Spirit Journey". |
| 15:21.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Which I believe involves eating some Sacred Mushrooms and then sitting in a hole in the ground. |
| 15:21.01 | dataw0lf | that sounds like too much work |
| 15:21.11 | dataw0lf | oh |
| 15:21.19 | dataw0lf | I've been on a lot of spirit journeys, then |
| 15:34.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Well then you may not be a prophet, but you're totally a shaman. |
| 15:34.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is practically the same thing. |
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| 15:47.14 | Lone_Wanderer | "Browsers have rules that restrict where HTML data can be sent by domain, called the "same origin policy", but these rules are not observed when it comes to JavaScript." |
| 15:47.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Or when you write your own browser. |
| 16:21.04 | macnewbold | ~praise wps for starting ugaf.org |
| 16:21.16 | jbot | All hail wps for starting ugaf.org! |
| 16:21.16 | macnewbold | ~wps++ |
| 16:21.16 | wps | thanks, macnewbold |
| 16:21.28 | wps | I have dreamed of it for years |
| 16:21.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I have a lot of graphic designer friends (okay like two :p) |
| 16:21.40 | Lone_Wanderer | that I forwarded the email to |
| 16:21.51 | Lone_Wanderer | how closely tied will UPHPU and UGAF be? |
| 16:34.01 | wps | thanks, Lone_Wanderer |
| 16:34.13 | wps | I don't have any plans for them to be tied together in any sort of way |
| 16:34.18 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 16:34.20 | wps | although I could see a few combined meetings happending |
| 16:34.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I just thought there might be overlap between designers wanting to learn PHP and programmers wanting to learn graphic design. |
| 16:34.37 | wps | hopefully they can be a good resource for each other though |
| 16:34.45 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, definitely |
| 16:34.52 | wps | a place for programmers to find designers/front-end guys and vice versa |
| 16:39.05 | jsmith | wps: If only graphic design could be taught... |
| 16:44.42 | _psychic_ | basic design principles can be taught |
| 16:44.42 | _psychic_ | but it does take a certain amount of personal style and talent to really create something from nothing |
| 16:44.49 | jsmith | Amen to that... |
| 16:45.01 | jsmith | ... some of us can't even catch on to the basic design principles |
| 17:00.57 | synic | yeah. I suck pretty hardcore at visual design. |
| 17:01.05 | synic | I think I'm pretty ok at application design flow |
| 17:01.39 | Lone_Wanderer | It's not that hard to learn. |
| 17:02.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Look at some good designs, and try to figure out what you like about them. |
| 17:02.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Read some things on good design. |
| 17:02.46 | Lone_Wanderer | For the first long while you'll just be copycatting other people's good ideas, but if you can take the good ideas of several people and mash them all up |
| 17:02.51 | Lone_Wanderer | then they can't sue you :p |
| 17:03.38 | synic | I've tried that approach |
| 17:03.50 | synic | I just can't get my stuff to look like I envision it |
| 17:06.06 | Lone_Wanderer | And you can't quantify what it is that's different between how you want it and how it is? |
| 17:06.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Or you can tell the difference, but don't know how to fix it? |
| 17:06.47 | synic | heh, I don't know. I guess I can't quantify. |
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| 17:07.14 | synic | with gui programming, it's different. I have building blocks and I know what they look like and how to put them together to make a nice looking application |
| 17:07.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, the first one is "It doesn't look right, but I don't know why" and the second is "I know why it doesn't look right and don't know how to fix it." |
| 17:07.29 | synic | with web pages, there aren't as many predefined building blocks. |
| 17:07.39 | synic | yeah, definitely the first one. |
| 17:08.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, then take your design and the one you're trying to make it look like, and show it to someone who knows what they're doing |
| 17:08.20 | Lone_Wanderer | and they should be able to point out why it's not working |
| 17:08.50 | Lone_Wanderer | usually it's just one or two factors that, when corrected, make all the difference |
| 17:09.22 | Lone_Wanderer | and a lot of the time, what makes the difference is things that you don't even notice being there, which is why it's hard to figure out what's wrong |
| 17:09.41 | Lone_Wanderer | but once you start noticing them, it gets easier |
| 17:15.57 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: I registered on ugaf with dccrookston, can you nuke that user? |
| 17:16.39 | wps | delete dccrookston? |
| 17:16.48 | Lone_Wanderer | yes please, I got one too many c's in there |
| 17:16.54 | wps | ah |
| 17:17.20 | wps | done |
| 17:17.24 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
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| 17:22.32 | macnewbold | ~yow |
| 17:23.23 | wps | what's the best way to limit a foreach loop to only run a certain number of times? |
| 17:24.33 | wps | increment a variable in side of the loop? |
| 17:24.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Either put a counter in the loop |
| 17:24.46 | wps | or should I just use a for? |
| 17:24.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Just using a for would probably be "better". |
| 17:25.17 | jsmith | wps: foreach and break :-) |
| 17:25.19 | Lone_Wanderer | You could also copy just the number of elements you want to iterate over into the one you foreach. |
| 17:25.31 | seant23 | ya splice the array |
| 17:25.36 | jsmith | That's what "break" and "continue" are for! |
| 17:25.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Why use break and continue if you could just use a for loop? |
| 17:26.38 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: Because often times converting a foreach loop into a for loop is more work than using a break in a foreach loop |
| 17:26.52 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: There's not technical reason not to, just the convenience factor |
| 17:26.52 | wps | thats why I didn't want to use a for, jsmith |
| 17:27.02 | Lone_Wanderer | How can it be more work? |
| 17:27.05 | wps | because I would have to and change all of the echo vars |
| 17:27.15 | Lone_Wanderer | In a for you've got your break, counter variable, etc. all built in |
| 17:27.25 | seant23 | if i were you i would slice the array to the ammount you want then run the foreach |
| 17:27.30 | Lone_Wanderer | in a foreach you have to add it all by hand, and you make a mess of your code in the process |
| 17:27.45 | seant23 | ya and foreach has faster access to the keys |
| 17:27.48 | jsmith | wps: foreach ($my_array as $element) { if ($element == 'stop now!') break; } |
| 17:28.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah but then you have to add a "stop now" element into your array, which pollutes your data with something that applies only to program flow |
| 17:28.37 | jsmith | Well, I was just giving an example |
| 17:28.48 | jsmith | I'm sure wps knows when to stop without having an extra element in his array |
| 17:29.01 | Lone_Wanderer | To do it reliably you'd have to add a counter variable and increment it inside the loop |
| 17:29.16 | Lone_Wanderer | which is, essentially, the same as a regular old for loop |
| 17:29.21 | jsmith | It's just been my experience that many programmers are afraid of "break" and "continue", because they've never learned to use them |
| 17:30.22 | seant23 | http://us.php.net/manual/en/function.array-slice.php |
| 17:30.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Sure, but that doesn't mean you should go throwing them in whenever you can |
| 17:30.23 | Lone_Wanderer | especially when there's a perfectly good solution already in place that does exactly what you want, without resorting to kludging a foreach. |
| 17:30.23 | wps | is there a way to randomly shuffle an array? |
| 17:30.26 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 17:30.29 | seant23 | array_rand |
| 17:30.32 | Lone_Wanderer | there's a function that does it |
| 17:30.38 | wps | thanks, seant23 |
| 17:31.40 | wps | hmm… doesn't look like that works on a multi-level array |
| 17:32.00 | Lone_Wanderer | just write a quick recursive function |
| 17:32.22 | wps | s/multi-level/multi-dimensional/ |
| 17:33.20 | wps | ooo… it looks like I won't need to stop my foreach with array_rand |
| 17:33.25 | Lone_Wanderer | multi_array_rand($arr) { array_rand($arr); foreach($arr as $sub_arr) { if (is_array($sub_arr)) { multi_array_rand($arr) } } } |
| 17:33.26 | wps | it doesn't just randomize, as shuffle() does |
| 17:33.40 | wps | it randomly selects a specific number of elements out |
| 17:33.45 | wps | that is exactly what I want |
| 17:33.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Insert semicolons and balance brackets and parens as required. |
| 17:34.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Which function is exactly what you want? |
| 17:34.22 | wps | array_rand |
| 17:34.41 | Lone_Wanderer | And I went to all the trouble of writing you a recursive function for nothing :'( |
| 17:35.17 | Lone_Wanderer | My dog jumps on my and makes my jacket dirty. That does not make me happy. |
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| 17:55.31 | wps | is there a wan to get five unique random numbers without using a loop to compare them? |
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| 17:56.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Not that I know of off the top of my head. |
| 17:56.18 | wps | k |
| 17:56.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Why do you want to avoid using a loop? |
| 17:56.53 | wps | no reason… except if there was already a built-in function that would do it |
| 17:57.16 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
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| 18:05.35 | macnewbold | wps: there are functions that will filter out duplicate array elements for you, if you want, but internally, they're still going to be doing some looping |
| 18:05.46 | wps | k |
| 18:06.00 | macnewbold | array_merge() I think is one that would do it |
| 18:06.49 | macnewbold | if you pick from a large enough pool of random numbers, chances will be very very good they'll all be unique |
| 18:07.08 | jsmith | macnewbold: No, they're not |
| 18:11.11 | jsmith | macnewbold: random != evenly distributed |
| 18:11.19 | macnewbold | I didn't say they did |
| 18:11.19 | mindjuju | oooooh! a fight! |
| 18:11.19 | macnewbold | if I'm picking 5 numbers from 50 possibilities, there's a chance they'll all be unique |
| 18:11.19 | macnewbold | if I'm picking 5 of 500, then its' a better chance |
| 18:11.19 | macnewbold | if I'm picking 5 from 64,000 its' even better chance they're all unique |
| 18:11.19 | wps | is there a way to say… |
| 18:11.21 | wps | if ( a does not equal b or c ) |
| 18:11.21 | wps | ? |
| 18:11.21 | wps | or, do you have do always do… |
| 18:11.22 | macnewbold | I don't care how they're distributed in the space, I just care that they're random |
| 18:11.22 | wps | if (a does not equal b and a does not equal c) |
| 18:11.22 | wps | ? |
| 18:11.22 | macnewbold | wps: you can check both at once like this: |
| 18:11.22 | macnewbold | if (!in_array($a, array($b, $c, ))) |
| 18:11.22 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: !in_array |
| 18:11.22 | Lone_Wanderer | drat, beat me to it |
| 18:11.23 | macnewbold | jsmith: was I misunderstanding what you meant? |
| 18:11.25 | jsmith | macnewbold: No... it's just that most people think random is something that it's not. |
| 18:12.07 | jsmith | macnewbold: The point behind random is that you could get the same number 5 times in a row and it could still be random |
| 18:12.21 | burnin | even though 5 already came up the odds of 5 coming up again are the same as they were the first time. |
| 18:12.27 | macnewbold | yes, it could - it's just really really unlikely |
| 18:12.37 | macnewbold | unless you're picking randomly froma pool of 1-2 numbers |
| 18:12.48 | jsmith | burnin: Exactly! |
| 18:12.55 | jsmith | ~burnin++ |
| 18:13.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I saw a Dilbert strip, there was a guy in the corner saying "7... 7.... 7... 7..." |
| 18:13.09 | macnewbold | yes, the odds are identical each time |
| 18:13.19 | burnin | but it does seem that from what macnewbold said, the larger the pool of numbers the lower the probability of any individual number coming up. |
| 18:13.30 | macnewbold | of course inevitably someone will bring up the law of averages... :) |
| 18:13.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Dilbert asked what he was doing and the guy said "Oh, he's our random number generator." "Are you sure they're really random?" "Well that's the problem with random, you can never really tell." |
| 18:13.38 | jsmith | burnin: Coming up *one time*, yes. |
| 18:13.52 | jsmith | burnin: But that still doesn't mean anything for drawing the same number multiple times. |
| 18:13.53 | macnewbold | the thing that _isn't_ the same is the chances of picking 5 identical random numbers before you've started picking |
| 18:14.17 | macnewbold | the chance of anything you've already done is 100%, because it is certain, but the future compounds the chances |
| 18:14.25 | mgeary | mindjuju: shouldn't that be a white flag for LW? |
| 18:14.28 | macnewbold | ~randome |
| 18:14.32 | macnewbold | ~random |
| 18:14.51 | macnewbold | ~rand |
| 18:14.52 | jbot | 6 |
| 18:14.53 | mindjuju | prolly mgeary |
| 18:15.01 | mindjuju | but it's hard to type and keep up |
| 18:15.04 | wps | k… I have it written |
| 18:15.04 | macnewbold | okay, I picked 6 - now what's the chances I'll pick 6 again? |
| 18:15.05 | wps | http://paste.uni.cc/14271 |
| 18:15.08 | macnewbold | ~rand |
| 18:15.09 | jbot | 9 |
| 18:15.14 | wps | I am not always getting five results though |
| 18:15.18 | macnewbold | ~rand |
| 18:15.21 | jbot | 1 |
| 18:15.22 | wps | sometimes four… sometimes three |
| 18:15.37 | macnewbold | ~rand again |
| 18:15.39 | macnewbold | ~rand 3 |
| 18:15.41 | macnewbold | ~rand 10 |
| 18:15.43 | macnewbold | ~rand 11 |
| 18:15.44 | mgeary | wps: do you want potential duplicates, or not? |
| 18:15.50 | wps | no dupes |
| 18:15.54 | mgeary | just use shuffle |
| 18:15.59 | mgeary | and take the top N |
| 18:16.02 | wps | doesn't work on a multi |
| 18:16.22 | wps | $authors is a mutlti-dimensional array |
| 18:16.22 | mgeary | so shuffle the keys |
| 18:16.34 | mgeary | strip the keys off using array_keys(), shuffle that, and take the references |
| 18:16.45 | wps | k… let me look at that |
| 18:16.55 | mgeary | badda-bing badda-boom |
| 18:17.50 | macnewbold | wps - so if you find a duplicate, you move up or down until you find something that isn't a duplicate? |
| 18:18.26 | macnewbold | wait, no, nevermind |
| 18:18.37 | macnewbold | it's inside the loop of it not being duplicate |
| 18:19.37 | mgeary | wps, so....? |
| 18:21.48 | mindjuju | google "unique random numbers php" and you get a bunch of listings including this: http://codewalkers.com/seecode/480.html |
| 18:23.35 | macnewbold | mgeary's method is a great one if you're trying to pick randomly from a known set. The only time it gets poor performance is when the number of members in the set is much much greater than the number you care about, to the point where shuffling all of them takes longer than pulling a few random ones in the range and making sure they're unique. |
| 18:24.29 | mgeary | jeeze. it'd take a while before the performance hit from shuffling a 1-dimensional array becomes your bottleneck |
| 18:24.43 | mgeary | but i grant the point |
| 18:25.14 | macnewbold | yeah, "much much greater" :) |
| 18:29.47 | macnewbold | it is a great way to do it in almost every case like this |
| 18:43.27 | mgeary | ? |
| 18:49.52 | mindjuju | eh, Adobe purchases companies whole, then shreds the site leaving clients who previously purchased the product no place to go for forums, faqs, updates, etc |
| 18:50.12 | mindjuju | this has happened to me, no kidding like 2x in this the last 30 days, no joke |
| 18:50.19 | mgeary | ah |
| 18:50.23 | mgeary | what products? |
| 18:50.38 | mindjuju | serious magic - Ultra and Visual communicator |
| 18:50.45 | mindjuju | and RoboEngine |
| 18:50.54 | mgeary | ah. Windows-only apps. off my radar. |
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| 19:07.48 | timinator | ya, who uses Windows anymore?!?! |
| 19:07.58 | timinator | :) |
| 19:08.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Only luzers |
| 19:09.13 | mgeary | ~insult windows |
| 19:09.20 | mgeary | ewww |
| 19:09.28 | mgeary | jbot: you're a potty mouth |
| 19:09.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Do flies even... |
| 19:09.32 | Lone_Wanderer | never mind |
| 19:10.28 | mgeary | ~literal insult |
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| 19:16.24 | timinator | hey guys.... |
| 19:16.31 | timinator | I've got a problem |
| 19:16.48 | timinator | sometimes when I upload a file |
| 19:16.55 | timinator | via SFTP |
| 19:17.08 | timinator | it'll be fine for about 10 minutes |
| 19:17.16 | timinator | then it'll stop working.... |
| 19:17.50 | timinator | at which point, I check the file on the webserver.... and it's a blank file |
| 19:17.53 | timinator | 0 kb |
| 19:17.57 | timinator | any ideas on that? |
| 19:18.16 | _psychic_ | fine == non-zero filesize? |
| 19:18.36 | timinator | fine == new code, tested and working |
| 19:18.45 | timinator | and non-zero filesize |
| 19:18.46 | mgeary | timinator: what are you using for sftp? |
| 19:19.01 | timinator | transmit.... on Mac OS 10.4 |
| 19:19.13 | timinator | 10.4.9 |
| 19:19.27 | mgeary | does this appear to be particular to a certain remote server? or do you observe this on other servers? |
| 19:19.44 | mgeary | oh, wait |
| 19:19.51 | mgeary | it sounds like something is overwriting your file |
| 19:19.52 | timinator | two separate servers |
| 19:20.02 | mgeary | i'm guessing that it has nothing to do with sftp |
| 19:20.28 | mgeary | have you tried using scp on the CLI to transfer the file, to see if anything changes? |
| 19:21.33 | timinator | I've never done that... is there a 1,2,3 tutorial you'd recommend? |
| 19:21.40 | mgeary | 1) open terminal |
| 19:21.55 | timinator | (always open) |
| 19:21.59 | mgeary | 2) type in scp /path/to/file user@remote.server.com:/path/to/remote/destination |
| 19:22.09 | mgeary | 3) supply "user"s password |
| 19:22.20 | mgeary | if you're transferring folders replace #2 with: |
| 19:22.33 | mgeary | 2) type in scp -r /path/to/directory user@remote.server.com:/path/to/remote/destination/ |
| 19:24.50 | timinator | (1 min) |
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| 19:27.49 | timinator | cool.... that uploaded |
| 19:28.20 | timinator | but that's a bit more tedious than using drag and drop in transmit. |
| 19:28.22 | mgeary | of course, the trick is to see if it stays healthy, no? |
| 19:28.25 | mgeary | well yeah |
| 19:28.36 | mgeary | we're just trying to eliminate variables. find the source of the prob |
| 19:28.40 | timinator | is there a solution for fixing transmit so that it works better? |
| 19:28.44 | mgeary | personally, i use Interarchy for sftp |
| 19:29.01 | mgeary | it's awesome |
| 19:29.01 | timinator | ya? |
| 19:29.01 | timinator | I'll check it out |
| 19:29.10 | mgeary | i've been a registered user of it for years and years |
| 19:29.42 | mgeary | never seen a problem like what you're describing, but i do find it hard to believe that your sftp program is to blame. |
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| 19:32.00 | beandog | interarchy? |
| 19:32.25 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:32.43 | mgeary | http://www.stairways.com/main/ |
| 19:32.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Is that what the extraists want to smash? |
| 19:32.44 | beandog | mmm, strawberry quik is good |
| 19:32.50 | beandog | or nesquik or whatever. |
| 19:33.03 | Lone_Wanderer | (So bad that I had to explain it.) |
| 19:33.16 | mgeary | "referential integrity |
| 19:33.18 | mgeary | " |
| 19:33.22 | mgeary | is an awesome phrase |
| 19:33.32 | mgeary | you throw that around, and clients just HAVE to believe you know what you're talking about |
| 19:33.54 | beandog | "Sorry, I can't adjust that menu. It would break the referential integrity." |
| 19:34.00 | mgeary | exactly |
| 19:34.12 | mgeary | check out this sentence i just wrote in a proposal: |
| 19:34.21 | mgeary | Inherent in this part of the scope is an integral data architecture overhaul, in order to normalize the data as much as possible and facilitate referential integrity and future reporting |
| 19:34.32 | mgeary | that's worth twenty bucks right there |
| 19:34.42 | Lone_Wanderer | May I make some suggestions? |
| 19:34.48 | mgeary | no |
| 19:34.52 | beandog | heh |
| 19:34.53 | mgeary | ;) aww okay |
| 19:35.30 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: you were saying? |
| 19:35.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Inherent in this section of the scope is an integral data architecture overhaul, pursuant to optimal data normalization and facilitation of referential integrity. These are all critical for future reporting. |
| 19:36.08 | mgeary | i like it |
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| 19:36.28 | beandog | nice |
| 19:38.51 | beandog | has anyone seen blades of glory? |
| 19:38.56 | beandog | "the movie" |
| 19:39.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Never been a big Will Ferrel fan. |
| 19:39.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even know how to spell his name. |
| 19:39.28 | beandog | close enough |
| 19:39.31 | mgeary | me either, though i did enjoy Elf |
| 19:39.36 | beandog | meaning I dont either. |
| 19:39.44 | mgeary | or rather, i enjoyed my kids' enjoyment of Elf |
| 19:40.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is weird because as far as I can tell, he's a talented comedian. |
| 19:40.29 | Lone_Wanderer | At least, I occasionally see him do things that are above-averagely good. |
| 19:40.38 | beandog | http://techdirt.com/articles/20070402/204542.shtml |
| 19:40.44 | beandog | lets hear it for stupid Utah legislation. |
| 19:40.54 | beandog | Elf was okay ... for the first half. |
| 19:41.06 | beandog | The 'saving Santa' plot was quite poor, I thought. |
| 19:41.13 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:41.27 | beandog | he is pretty funny though |
| 19:42.40 | Lone_Wanderer | "You sit on a throne of lies" was the only good line in Elf. |
| 19:42.51 | beandog | heh |
| 19:43.21 | mgeary | i liked the midget scene |
| 19:43.24 | Lone_Wanderer | When the guy who isn't Santa comes to his store |
| 19:43.26 | beandog | I really hate comedies that are funny for the first half, and then in the second it becomes some contrived plot full of holes and isn't funny in the least. |
| 19:43.48 | mgeary | yeah, like Two Towers |
| 19:43.56 | mgeary | ;) |
| 19:44.01 | beandog | Two Towers? |
| 19:44.18 | beandog | Is that LOTR? |
| 19:44.57 | beandog | It was too long and drawn out. |
| 19:45.07 | beandog | Hurry up and do *something* eventful with the stupid ring! |
| 19:45.10 | beandog | meh. |
| 19:45.40 | beandog | the 2nd movie was just one slow moving boring scene until the battle that was incredibly hyped but ultimately way too short. |
| 19:46.05 | beandog | I never read the books, though. |
| 19:46.14 | beandog | So, I didnt find the movie that interesting, which is probably why |
| 19:47.04 | mgeary | jbot: nerdschool $1 is <action> chains $1 to a molded-fiberglass all-in-one desk/chair, fills his backpack with sci-fi and fantasy novels, and plants him in Norm Bangerter's Elementary Physics class for re-indoctrination. |
| 19:47.06 | jbot | mgeary: okay |
| 19:47.09 | mgeary | ~nerdschool beandog |
| 19:47.10 | jbot | ACTION chains beandog to a molded-fiberglass all-in-one desk/chair, fills his backpack with sci-fi and fantasy novels, and plants him in Norm Bangerter's Elementary Physics class for re-indoctrination. |
| 19:47.18 | beandog | re-indoctrination? |
| 19:47.20 | beandog | nice. |
| 19:47.37 | beandog | Ill have you know Ive read lots of fantasy novels |
| 19:48.01 | beandog | Forgotten Realms, anyway |
| 19:48.04 | mgeary | oh, we all know you *used* to be a nerd, beandog, you're just walking the razor's edge |
| 19:48.09 | beandog | pretty much. |
| 19:48.10 | mgeary | you probably even talk to girls |
| 19:48.20 | beandog | oh good, I guess I'm not quite there yet. |
| 19:48.43 | dataw0lf | Artemis Entreri ftw |
| 19:48.48 | beandog | I have a poster of the Enterprise at home that's 12 feet long |
| 19:48.52 | beandog | does that do anything for me? |
| 19:49.47 | beandog | ~startrek |
| 19:49.49 | jbot | StarTrek is the best show on Earth! |
| 19:49.49 | timinator | a lot... but probably not in the right direction |
| 19:50.05 | dataw0lf | see, Star Trek is NERDy |
| 19:50.17 | dataw0lf | Artemis Entreri, on the other hand, is COOLness |
| 19:50.32 | beandog | Artermis Entreri |
| 19:50.33 | beandog | that rings bells. |
| 19:50.41 | beandog | an assassin, IIRC |
| 19:50.47 | beandog | gah, its been too long. |
| 19:51.06 | beandog | ~wiki Artemis Entreri |
| 19:51.23 | beandog | woots |
| 19:51.35 | beandog | sooooo much fun. |
| 19:51.48 | beandog | and time consuming. |
| 19:52.00 | dataw0lf | Artemis Entreri is Drizzt's arch enemy |
| 19:52.07 | dataw0lf | and the best character in the series, bar none |
| 19:52.18 | beandog | yah? huh. |
| 19:52.29 | beandog | I stopped reading FR about 10 years ago |
| 19:52.35 | beandog | Ive forgotten almost everything. |
| 19:52.41 | unum | I want a rule so when a certian field (a) gets updated b gets updated to be 't'+a |
| 19:52.44 | beandog | except that the Cleric Quintet was great. |
| 19:52.51 | dataw0lf | I just read Road to the Patriarch last night. |
| 19:53.16 | beandog | whats that authors name? |
| 19:53.19 | beandog | R.A. Salvatore |
| 19:53.24 | beandog | anything by him is just immediately awesome. |
| 19:53.52 | beandog | _psychic_: yah? I need to find a group to join, no idea where to find one. -_- |
| 19:54.06 | _psychic_ | I play with my bro in law, and with our wives |
| 19:54.11 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: 3rd edition? |
| 19:54.14 | _psychic_ | the women folk like it more than I thought |
| 19:54.15 | _psychic_ | 3.5 |
| 19:54.20 | dataw0lf | word |
| 19:54.35 | _psychic_ | its really fun |
| 19:54.39 | _psychic_ | I missed it more than I thought |
| 19:54.45 | _psychic_ | its the ultimate game |
| 19:54.47 | dataw0lf | yea, I have a lot of 3/3.5 books |
| 19:55.47 | _psychic_ | any non-core ones? |
| 19:55.55 | _psychic_ | I picked up PHB II |
| 19:58.40 | Lone_Wanderer | D&D is a verbal, interactive, social game |
| 19:58.51 | Lone_Wanderer | so it makes sense to me that girls (properly introduced) would like it |
| 19:59.32 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: you know this library behind us? |
| 19:59.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I did not know that there was a library behind us. |
| 19:59.52 | beandog | 2100 N |
| 20:00.04 | beandog | Its just up the road |
| 20:00.11 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 20:00.13 | beandog | anyway .. theyve got a group that plays there on Saturdays I think |
| 20:00.20 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 20:00.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess? |
| 20:00.37 | beandog | yesh |
| 20:00.46 | beandog | anyone ever played Icewind Dale II |
| 20:00.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I played a lot of RPGs in Jr. High but my parents were convinced that it was Satanic |
| 20:01.35 | beandog | heh |
| 20:01.43 | beandog | Ive been playing FR RPG games since I was 8 |
| 20:01.49 | beandog | Pool of Radiance++ :D |
| 20:02.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Wow, and your soul hasn't been consumed by Satan yet. |
| 20:02.01 | beandog | Bard's Tale! |
| 20:02.11 | beandog | that game is rough. |
| 20:02.22 | beandog | Games used to be a lot harder than today's that's for sure. |
| 20:02.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Or has it? >.> |
| 20:02.42 | beandog | like a little unicorn on a hill |
| 20:02.46 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what you want us to think. |
| 20:02.56 | beandog | is it working? |
| 20:02.56 | Lone_Wanderer | So you can lure us into your SATANIC gaming! |
| 20:03.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Probably yeah. |
| 20:03.23 | beandog | Baldur's Gate 2 was the best one evah. |
| 20:03.32 | beandog | Though it was a bit creepy being the son of the god of murder. |
| 20:03.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I didn't like that one much. |
| 20:03.43 | beandog | really? did you solve it? |
| 20:03.46 | Lone_Wanderer | No. |
| 20:03.51 | beandog | Hmm. Poop. |
| 20:03.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I only played the first few hours of it. |
| 20:04.05 | beandog | man you missed out. That game is incredibly expansive. |
| 20:04.27 | beandog | There are tons of quests to do, lots depending on your class, alignment, and party |
| 20:05.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't like games with class limitations. |
| 20:05.26 | Lone_Wanderer | brb |
| 20:05.29 | beandog | what do you mean |
| 20:08.15 | Lone_Wanderer | games with classes are set up so that you can only learn certain skills if you're in that class |
| 20:08.26 | Lone_Wanderer | like only a rogue can learn backstab, and only a mage can learn the fireball spell |
| 20:08.31 | Lone_Wanderer | which seems silly to me |
| 20:09.15 | Lone_Wanderer | why can't a make pick up a dagger and stab someone with it? |
| 20:09.15 | beandog | oh |
| 20:09.18 | beandog | seems pretty typical |
| 20:09.20 | Lone_Wanderer | a mage* |
| 20:09.21 | beandog | NWN isn't like that though. |
| 20:09.28 | Lone_Wanderer | It is typical, and I don't like it. |
| 20:09.49 | Lone_Wanderer | :p |
| 20:10.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I like it when you can pick from any skillset by investing some kind of training points |
| 20:10.39 | Lone_Wanderer | higher level skills require more points, etc. |
| 20:11.15 | Lone_Wanderer | it encourages the same kind of specialization, especially if you make some skills give small bonuses to skills in other, related trees |
| 20:11.33 | Lone_Wanderer | but it doesn't force you to pick cookie-cutter roles |
| 20:11.55 | beandog | yah |
| 20:12.13 | Lone_Wanderer | it has a drawback in that it leaves the door open for everyone in the game figuring out what the "best" combination is (if something is overpowered) and making the exact same character |
| 20:12.31 | Lone_Wanderer | so putting together a system like that is hard |
| 20:12.51 | Lone_Wanderer | at least, doing it well is hard |
| 20:13.24 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:13.31 | beandog | well the ones Ive played seem pretty evenly balanced |
| 20:13.40 | beandog | as far as skills / strengths go |
| 20:13.40 | Lone_Wanderer | which ones are those? |
| 20:14.02 | Lone_Wanderer | the only one I've played like that is Lensmoor, which is a MUD |
| 20:14.02 | beandog | I dunno, theyre all that way IMO |
| 20:14.09 | beandog | Not as far as cross-class skills |
| 20:14.22 | Lone_Wanderer | with a fairly competitive PK arena |
| 20:14.35 | beandog | meh, I dont like PK anyway |
| 20:14.45 | Lone_Wanderer | so people are always trying to figure out the "best" combination of skills and spells, because you can only have so many |
| 20:14.47 | dataw0lf | PK is what it's all about |
| 20:16.46 | dataw0lf | it's easy to go with your online buddies and slay the Dragon of White Death!ONE! after so many have already done so |
| 20:17.04 | dataw0lf | it's a completely different thing to study, hunt, and slay another player. |
| 20:17.05 | dataw0lf | and then gloat over global channels for 20 minutes |
| 20:17.05 | wps | how's this, mgeary ? |
| 20:17.05 | wps | http://rafb.net/p/cjQGeB75.html |
| 20:17.05 | dataw0lf | while you wave their super dagger +400 in the air |
| 20:17.05 | wps | (a lot shorter) |
| 20:17.05 | wps | it is returning the results I want |
| 20:17.10 | mgeary | there ya go |
| 20:17.10 | mgeary | much simpler, eh? :) |
| 20:17.11 | wps | booyah! |
| 20:17.11 | wps | much |
| 20:18.37 | dataw0lf | I don't like "PK arenas" either |
| 20:18.40 | dataw0lf | free for all |
| 20:18.42 | dataw0lf | with level limits |
| 20:18.47 | dataw0lf | then you gotta always be watching your back |
| 20:18.53 | Lone_Wanderer | If you're in the arena, you know you're in danger. |
| 20:19.00 | dataw0lf | yea, that's the stupid part. |
| 20:19.52 | Lone_Wanderer | I think the best option would be world PK, with no level limits, but give players "good" policing options |
| 20:20.20 | dataw0lf | players should police themselves |
| 20:20.31 | dataw0lf | have a clan that has authorization to arrest and detain killers in certain areas (e.g., cities) |
| 20:21.13 | dataw0lf | this is basically Abandoned Realms we're talking about, the greatest PK mud ever. |
| 20:21.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Just make it so that anyone who wants can detain anyone else |
| 20:21.13 | Lone_Wanderer | if they can find them |
| 20:21.40 | Lone_Wanderer | that way if someone goes around griefing noobs, the more experienced players will step in (assuming it's in a "civilized" area) and put a stop to it |
| 20:22.02 | dataw0lf | well, on Abandoned Realms, they have a clan to do it |
| 20:22.07 | Lone_Wanderer | And if you leave the cities when you're a noob, you deserve what you get. |
| 20:22.16 | dataw0lf | so anyone who's allowed to call guards, etc goes through a rigorous screening process |
| 20:22.19 | Lone_Wanderer | What's to stop the clan from getting taken over by power-hungry idiots? |
| 20:22.38 | dataw0lf | there is an imm at the head of each clan |
| 20:22.48 | Lone_Wanderer | What's to stop the Imms from being idiots? |
| 20:22.57 | dataw0lf | well that'd be a problem with muds in general |
| 20:23.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 20:23.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Lens has had its fair share of retarded imms. |
| 20:24.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Eventually they get caught and banned, but in the meantime they make things miserable for people they don't like. |
| 20:36.44 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: you play |
| 20:36.47 | _psychic_ | AR?! |
| 20:36.58 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: used to |
| 20:37.00 | _psychic_ | ha me too |
| 20:37.09 | dataw0lf | good mud |
| 20:37.16 | _psychic_ | I got rocked too much |
| 20:37.28 | _psychic_ | its like 99% PK and 0.5% RP |
| 20:37.32 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 20:37.33 | dataw0lf | it's awesome |
| 20:37.36 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 20:38.03 | dataw0lf | with my dark elf shaman I used to rock people without leaving a room for hours |
| 20:38.08 | dataw0lf | ~summon |
| 20:38.10 | dataw0lf | ~sleep |
| 20:38.12 | jbot | rumour has it, sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 20:38.13 | _psychic_ | shamans were mean |
| 20:38.22 | _psychic_ | I had a ranger that was pretty good |
| 20:38.30 | _psychic_ | back when there was better ambushing and camo |
| 20:38.43 | dataw0lf | and butcher their corpses for yummy steaks! |
| 20:38.53 | _psychic_ | indeedy |
| 20:43.11 | mgeary | i swear, Wendy's owes me about six pounds of cheese. if you can call what they (don't) put on their cheeseburgers "cheese" |
| 21:07.59 | beandog | meh |
| 21:08.04 | beandog | anyway to run Safari on a Linux box |
| 21:08.10 | Lone_Wanderer | ~random |
| 21:08.33 | Lone_Wanderer | That works, thanks. |
| 21:08.41 | mgeary | beandog: Safari's based on an OSS renderer. can't remember what it's called |
| 21:08.46 | mgeary | KDE? |
| 21:08.48 | beandog | KHTML |
| 21:08.53 | beandog | konqueror works, safari doesn't. |
| 21:08.56 | beandog | I'm screwballed. |
| 21:09.03 | mgeary | how so |
| 21:09.05 | mgeary | ? |
| 21:09.14 | beandog | I'm not using OS X |
| 21:09.25 | mgeary | i am. want me to take a look at something? |
| 21:09.44 | beandog | no, thats okay |
| 21:10.21 | beandog | I butchered son of suckerfish slightly, and it doesnt like me. |
| 21:10.22 | beandog | :C |
| 21:10.31 | beandog | only problem with the design is that the menu widths are fixed. |
| 21:11.17 | beandog | http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ |
| 21:24.50 | wps | suckerfish++ |
| 21:31.30 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 21:31.49 | thebigdog | ~pimpslap ie |
| 21:31.50 | jbot | thebigdog pimpslaps ie. ouch! |
| 21:32.18 | thebigdog | never has there been a crappier browser |
| 21:32.58 | thebigdog | who would ever put down that the programmed on the ie team for ms |
| 21:35.29 | mindjuju | i think i would |
| 21:36.27 | thebigdog | ie is the worst program i have used that is popular |
| 21:36.43 | mgeary | it's not really popular |
| 21:36.51 | mgeary | it's users don't *realize* they're using IE |
| 21:36.57 | mgeary | they think they're just "using the internet" |
| 21:37.00 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 21:37.21 | mgeary | these are the same people who go to a website by googling the domain name |
| 21:37.39 | thebigdog | someone should write a virus that installs firefox and replaces people internet icon to startup firefox instead of ie |
| 21:37.57 | thebigdog | mgeary that is timinator's problem right there |
| 21:38.05 | mgeary | ? |
| 21:38.12 | mgeary | oh, he googles domains? :) |
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| 21:39.59 | beandog | hmm, good point. |
| 21:40.00 | beandog | how many people are using IE of out choice, not ignorance? |
| 21:40.16 | mgeary | .NET junkies |
| 21:40.25 | beandog | heh |
| 21:40.25 | mgeary | and i'm betting that's IT |
| 21:40.25 | timinator | LOL |
| 21:40.27 | beandog | .NOT :) |
| 21:40.43 | beandog | Actually I have heard very good things about .NET, so I can't slam it too hard. |
| 21:40.53 | beandog | I still wouldnt use it, but whatever. |
| 21:40.54 | thebigdog | i have to support it cause im forced by gun point |
| 21:41.14 | beandog | as long as I dont have to work with Active Directory, I'm a happy camper. |
| 21:41.31 | mgeary | well, i don't know if things have changed, but a couple of years ago, i debugged the HTML/JS/CSS on a project we did for a big finance company in SLC. They were using .NET and seemed like sharp guys. however.... |
| 21:41.32 | thebigdog | i can handle ad and exchange over ie |
| 21:41.45 | beandog | heh, just found this is one of our pages: |
| 21:41.46 | beandog | <!--======================== BEGIN COPYING THE HTML HERE ==========================--> |
| 21:41.50 | mgeary | ...the code that .NET was generating was absolute, absolute crap. tables nested 12 layers deep |
| 21:41.51 | macnewbold | haha |
| 21:42.10 | mgeary | they were making heavy use of the .NET built-in display widgets |
| 21:42.22 | mgeary | and, oh lordy, was it awful. It's like it was *designed* to only render on IE |
| 21:42.35 | thebigdog | it is |
| 21:42.47 | mgeary | i'm sure that you can produce good stuff in .NET, just like you can produce crap in PHP/whatever |
| 21:42.56 | thebigdog | my fav - ie error: object expected |
| 21:43.23 | timinator | google search: www.thebigdoglovesie.com |
| 21:43.33 | timinator | :) |
| 21:44.22 | beandog | now I have to wonder if there are any ie fan sites |
| 21:44.46 | mgeary | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22internet+explorer%22+is+awesome&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 21:45.02 | beandog | Did you mean: it is awesome |
| 21:45.25 | mgeary | hahah. google this for all 7 hits: "internet explorer is awesome" |
| 21:45.28 | beandog | i did ie is awesome |
| 21:45.42 | beandog | LOL |
| 21:45.52 | mgeary | oh hey, 201 hits for that |
| 21:46.04 | mgeary | 12800 hits for "firefox is awesome" |
| 21:47.21 | beandog | bah |
| 21:47.28 | beandog | I need a cookie just to view piccies? |
| 21:47.29 | beandog | lame. |
| 21:47.32 | macnewbold | haha |
| 21:48.08 | beandog | how in the crap could you have an unsupported browser to view a gallery of images?? |
| 21:48.11 | beandog | -_- |
| 21:49.12 | thebigdog | .|.. internet explorer 7 |
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| 21:51.21 | beandog | ~seen mindjuju |
| 21:51.51 | jbot | mindjuju is currently on #uphpu (23h 35m 40s). Has said a total of 80 messages. Is idling for 16m 22s, last said: 'i think i would'. |
| 21:51.52 | beandog | meh. |
| 21:51.52 | mindjuju | i'm back |
| 21:51.52 | mindjuju | sup |
| 21:52.35 | mindjuju | missed lunch, should i do dominos or pizza hut |
| 21:54.09 | mindjuju | or maybe i should do wendys |
| 21:54.17 | mindjuju | what i wouldn't give for a whopper king |
| 21:54.19 | mgeary | i did Wendy's |
| 21:54.27 | mgeary | but see above cheese reference |
| 22:01.02 | beandog | wb mindjuju |
| 22:01.05 | beandog | ~lunch mindjuju |
| 22:03.01 | thebigdog | ~tunafart mindjuju |
| 22:03.03 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to mindjuju, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 22:03.14 | thebigdog | mindjuju, guess what i had for lunch today |
| 22:04.06 | Lone_Wanderer | A tuna sandwich? |
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| 22:15.09 | timinator | google search: www.thebigdogisnotfunny.com |
| 22:15.24 | timinator | :) |
| 22:15.35 | dataw0lf | 0 results found. |
| 22:15.40 | timinator | lol |
| 22:15.53 | mindjuju | well, I got Panda |
| 22:16.10 | mindjuju | it'll do for a quick lunch and chinese food fix |
| 22:16.17 | timinator | WalMart pot pies here |
| 22:16.20 | timinator | mmmmm |
| 22:16.40 | thebigdog | ~fart timinator |
| 22:16.42 | jbot | ACTION farts in timinator's general direction |
| 22:16.44 | mgeary | ~lart Wal-Mart |
| 22:16.44 | jbot | whacks Wal-Mart upside the head |
| 22:17.02 | mgeary | ~lart Wal-Mart again |
| 22:17.02 | jbot | takes out Wal-Mart again with the trash |
| 22:17.05 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 22:17.05 | jbot | slaps thebigdog around with a large trout |
| 22:17.16 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:17.21 | thebigdog | haha |
| 22:20.24 | timinator | we need to add some geeky ones.... like: jbot wraps thebigdog in an infinite loop and executes the code |
| 22:21.37 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 22:21.37 | jbot | slaps thebigdog upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale named hugh |
| 22:33.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahhh, much better. |
| 22:35.55 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer , were you able to use CSS for that layout, or did you go tables? |
| 22:36.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Neither. I handed it off to my co worker. |
| 22:36.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Thanks for your help though =\ |
| 22:37.19 | mindjuju | fo sho |
| 22:47.55 | mindjuju | As a Texan, I'm here to say, this is too much meat -- http://www.blackwidowbakery.com/demo/meatcake/ |
| 22:49.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Who would ever eat at a place called Black Widow Bakery? |
| 22:49.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, that looks like a uterus. |
| 22:49.41 | mindjuju | eeeew |
| 22:50.16 | thebigdog | wow ie does not like a js var name of class |
| 22:50.30 | dataw0lf | wonder why |
| 22:50.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Also also the I forgot what I was about to say. |
| 22:50.45 | thebigdog | no idea |
| 22:50.51 | thebigdog | took me 2 hours to figure that out |
| 22:50.54 | thebigdog | that sucks |
| 22:50.56 | Lone_Wanderer | ouch |
| 22:51.09 | thebigdog | ok minus the 30 min coke run |
| 22:51.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, look at it this way. |
| 22:51.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Without the coke run, it would've taken four hours. |
| 22:52.13 | thebigdog | fo sure |
| 22:52.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Cocaine: Overclocking your brain since 1732. |
| 22:53.08 | timinator | lol |
| 22:54.19 | thebigdog | haha |
| 22:55.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually now that I think about it, he may have meant the soft drink. |
| 22:55.44 | Lone_Wanderer | But still. Caffeine, cocaine, who can tell the difference? |
| 22:55.46 | thebigdog | no i meant the real stuff |
| 22:56.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, right. You, not he. |
| 22:56.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Clearly I haven't had my coke for the day. |
| 23:04.15 | PoeticIntensity | ~seen PoeticIntensity |
| 23:04.44 | jbot | poeticintensity is currently on #uphpu (7h 25m 45s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 29s, last said: '~seen PoeticIntensity '. |
| 23:04.44 | timinator | my webserver's 16GB drive is full... I'm looking for large files.... |
| 23:04.45 | Lone_Wanderer | du | sort I believe |
| 23:04.45 | timinator | is there a way to list the total sizes of folders? |
| 23:05.04 | seant23_ | df |
| 23:05.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Err, that didn't do it. |
| 23:05.21 | thebigdog | timinator, probably your log files |
| 23:05.30 | timinator | I cleaned them out |
| 23:05.35 | timinator | apache logs that is |
| 23:05.42 | seant23_ | df should tell you the size of folders, |
| 23:05.43 | Lone_Wanderer | You can pass sort an option to sort by "real" value |
| 23:05.44 | thebigdog | check all your logs |
| 23:05.45 | timinator | I'm thinking it's somebody's email |
| 23:05.46 | Lone_Wanderer | ask in #utah |
| 23:05.52 | thebigdog | yeah probably |
| 23:05.56 | seant23_ | df df df |
| 23:06.05 | thebigdog | seant23_, du |
| 23:06.09 | Lone_Wanderer | df won't tell you which directory has it |
| 23:06.17 | seant23_ | du tells disc ussage |
| 23:06.22 | seant23_ | df tells folder size |
| 23:06.33 | thebigdog | other way around |
| 23:06.36 | Lone_Wanderer | by partition |
| 23:06.42 | timinator | ya, I'm looking for something along the lines of ls -lh |
| 23:06.51 | timinator | but recursive |
| 23:06.57 | timinator | but not ls -lhR |
| 23:06.59 | thebigdog | du -h / |
| 23:07.03 | timinator | cause that's CRAZY |
| 23:07.21 | Lone_Wanderer | du | sort -n |
| 23:07.32 | seant23_ | my bad got it backwards |
| 23:07.39 | Lone_Wanderer | err, du / | sort -n |
| 23:08.40 | Lone_Wanderer | (Or just cd / before you run it.) |
| 23:09.30 | PoeticIntensity | ugh.... |
| 23:09.47 | PoeticIntensity | (between lunch and dinner) |
| 23:09.53 | Lone_Wanderer | linner? |
| 23:09.57 | Lone_Wanderer | There is no good word! |
| 23:10.00 | macnewbold | lupper |
| 23:10.07 | macnewbold | amen |
| 23:10.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah it comes back quick huh? |
| 23:10.21 | PoeticIntensity | holy COW... |
| 23:10.21 | timinator | is there a way to get the largest dozen folders/files? |
| 23:10.21 | PoeticIntensity | yes. |
| 23:10.21 | Lone_Wanderer | The memory, if not the food. |
| 23:10.30 | Lone_Wanderer | timinator: du | sort -n |
| 23:10.35 | PoeticIntensity | and the people serving the food... |
| 23:10.38 | PoeticIntensity | no offense, but holy cow... |
| 23:10.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Is that not working? |
| 23:10.56 | PoeticIntensity | the dude who gave me my food looked like he might pull a gun out on me. |
| 23:11.02 | timinator | just did.... was sitting for a while |
| 23:11.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 23:11.06 | timinator | thanks |
| 23:11.20 | PoeticIntensity | my co-worker created a script to do just that awhile ago. |
| 23:11.22 | mgeary | timinator: that's because for sort to work, it has to buffer all the output first |
| 23:11.23 | PoeticIntensity | he left. |
| 23:11.39 | mgeary | you can use find to find files exceeding a given size |
| 23:11.40 | PoeticIntensity | find ... maybe? |
| 23:11.51 | Lone_Wanderer | PoeticIntensity: Dude, I just said it twice :p |
| 23:11.54 | Lone_Wanderer | it's du | sort -n |
| 23:12.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Quick'nEasy |
| 23:12.14 | timinator | yep, that worked well, thanks |
| 23:12.17 | PoeticIntensity | well la-dee-FRICKIN-dah! |
| 23:12.18 | PoeticIntensity | HEH... |
| 23:12.29 | PoeticIntensity | Lone_Wanderer is the man. |
| 23:12.32 | PoeticIntensity | fo shizzle. |
| 23:12.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Don't mess with me man, I used to be a sysadmin for Verio. |
| 23:12.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Kind of. Only not really. More like tech support. |
| 23:13.08 | mgeary | admit it, you were a janitor |
| 23:13.15 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 23:13.25 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 23:13.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I did sysadmin type tasks, but only at the behest of customers. |
| 23:14.44 | Lone_Wanderer | So normally it was "Why can't I log into my server?" "Well, you're out of disk space." "How did that happen? OMG was it hackers?!!" "No, it looks like every email you received for the past five years has been saved on your server." "Oh. Well, I need those." *mutt* "Even the viagra ads?" |
| 23:15.01 | seant23_ | anybody ever use the telnet interface for vlc? |
| 23:15.12 | PoeticIntensity | vnc? |
| 23:15.26 | seant23_ | no videolan |
| 23:15.30 | PoeticIntensity | ah |
| 23:15.41 | seant23_ | its a remote controll interface for vlc |
| 23:15.52 | seant23_ | confusing :| |
| 23:15.54 | PoeticIntensity | jbot, what is vlc? |
| 23:15.59 | jbot | I think you lost me on that one, PoeticIntensity |
| 23:15.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I had one guy call in who SWORE that hackers kept getting into his server, because files that he hadn't uploaded (things like httpd.conf...) kept reappearing after he deleted them. |
| 23:16.18 | PoeticIntensity | LO.L |
| 23:16.23 | PoeticIntensity | are you serious, Lone_Wanderer ? |
| 23:16.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. |
| 23:16.32 | PoeticIntensity | now *that* is hilarious. |
| 23:16.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I tried to convince him that they were required for his server to operate correctly |
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| 23:16.52 | thebigdog | lol |
| 23:17.09 | PoeticIntensity | did he want to talk to your supervisor? |
| 23:17.11 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 23:17.12 | Lone_Wanderer | They're FreeBSD servers and they had a /skel directory, so if you deleted something on accident it'd put them back nicely |
| 23:17.14 | Lone_Wanderer | lol no |
| 23:17.24 | PoeticIntensity | wow. |
| 23:17.36 | thebigdog | i hate verios |
| 23:17.39 | Lone_Wanderer | He just mentioned it in passing. He was calling because his server wasn't working. I explained why (he'd deleted the sendmail config file), restored it |
| 23:18.05 | Lone_Wanderer | tried to explain not to delete it again and he said "No! It's HACKERS!" So I said "Okay, well, it's working, thanks for calling." |
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| 23:18.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Most of our customers were great. You'd teach them how to do things and they'd write it down or something. They called a lot, but never for the same thing twice. |
| 23:18.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Why do you hate them thebigdog? |
| 23:19.26 | thebigdog | im not too keen on there freebsd stuff |
| 23:19.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Their tech support staff is (if I may say so) excellent. |
| 23:20.10 | Lone_Wanderer | At least, it was when I was there. The only co-worker I had who wasn't competent left quickly to get his masters. |
| 23:20.24 | thebigdog | du -h / | awk '{print $1}' | grep G <- takes a while to run |
| 23:20.48 | thebigdog | du -h / | awk '{print $0}' | grep G - i mean |
| 23:21.30 | Lone_Wanderer | What does grep G do? |
| 23:21.37 | thebigdog | give me all the gig files |
| 23:21.44 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 23:21.46 | thebigdog | files/dir |
| 23:21.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Doesn't sort them in order though innit? |
| 23:22.14 | thebigdog | yeah sort seems faster |
| 23:22.19 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, also, it's printing out any file with a capital "g" in it, for me. |
| 23:22.24 | thebigdog | not sure why the awk and grep take time |
| 23:22.48 | thebigdog | yeah $1 for that |
| 23:23.04 | thebigdog | perhaps it is just my storage drive that is slow |
| 23:23.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah dood. |
| 23:23.14 | thebigdog | now the sort is taking time |
| 23:23.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Your drive is totally busted. |
| 23:23.31 | PoeticIntensity | I want my drive to be totally busted... |
| 23:23.36 | PoeticIntensity | just so you'll call me "dood" |
| 23:23.41 | dataw0lf | find / -size 1000000k ? |
| 23:23.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Whyfor wantest thou for thy drive to be busted? |
| 23:23.52 | thebigdog | that works too |
| 23:23.56 | PoeticIntensity | so you'll call me dood. |
| 23:24.10 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: That won't point out directories with large numbers of small files |
| 23:24.11 | mgeary | find . -type f -size +10000 -exec ls -al {} \; |
| 23:24.17 | mgeary | true |
| 23:24.49 | thebigdog | ouch cygwin find crashed my terminal |
| 23:24.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Ah hah! |
| 23:25.18 | Lone_Wanderer | So I got a gym membership last night and went this morning. |
| 23:26.05 | Lone_Wanderer | My muscles are not sore enough to convince me that I actually worked out. I guess that'll come as I work out the right amount of weight to use. |
| 23:26.18 | dataw0lf | work out until muscle failure |
| 23:26.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I did on one or two of the exercises. |
| 23:27.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Which, in my current state, didn't take long. |
| 23:27.34 | dataw0lf | it should be hard to drive home, after you work out, that's a good rule too |
| 23:27.52 | dataw0lf | if your arms shake when you're holding the steering wheel |
| 23:27.54 | Lone_Wanderer | When I get going it will be. |
| 23:27.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 23:28.38 | Lone_Wanderer | The three month intro-type workout I'm doing is quick and easy. You find the amount of weight for each exercise that you can lift at least six, but not ten, times. |
| 23:28.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Then you do that once for each lift. |
| 23:29.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Plus ten "warmup" reps at a much lower weight. |
| 23:29.41 | mgeary | ~nerdschool Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:29.42 | jbot | ACTION chains Lone_Wanderer to a molded-fiberglass all-in-one desk/chair, fills his backpack with sci-fi and fantasy novels, and plants him in Norm Bangerter's Elementary Physics class for re-indoctrination. |
| 23:30.11 | Lone_Wanderer | It worked pretty well last time I did it, but when I switched to the normal workout (three sets instead of one) I didn't enjoy it much any more and quit doing it. |
| 23:31.39 | timinator | I'm out... later guys |
| 23:31.50 | mindjuju | later |
| 23:32.07 | dataw0lf | c u bi bi |
| 23:34.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I need to find unsalted (or something) sunflower seeds |
| 23:34.15 | Lone_Wanderer | because I can't keep eating them like I do or I'm going to have a heart attack |
| 23:34.32 | Lone_Wanderer | but I have a really hard time concentrating unless I'm chewing on something |
| 23:36.58 | thebigdog | did beandog check out? |
| 23:38.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't think so. We've got another half hour or so to go. |
| 23:39.06 | thebigdog | smack him and tell him to get on |
| 23:39.18 | thebigdog | so like everyone here works together it seems |
| 23:39.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. Except you. Because you're not coooooool enough. |
| 23:40.00 | jsmith | thebigdog: Any word on that VoIP project? Still on the back burner? |
| 23:40.23 | thebigdog | yeah...they bought a new raid so it pushed it way back |
| 23:40.37 | thebigdog | i keep telling them i want a new phone |
| 23:40.42 | thebigdog | and i get a raid |
| 23:40.45 | thebigdog | go figure |
| 23:40.58 | thebigdog | Lw that is probably the case |
| 23:41.07 | jsmith | OK, no big deal.... just trying to keep my pipleline full... |
| 23:41.12 | thebigdog | i dont know if i could work with macnewbold though |
| 23:41.20 | thebigdog | jsmith i hear ya |
| 23:41.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Aww, he's not that bad. He's actually quite nice in person. |
| 23:42.05 | thebigdog | yeah he just has some tunafart madness |
| 23:43.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahhh. Well, I sit in another room, so I wouldn't know. |
| 23:50.31 | macnewbold | beandog had to leave |
| 23:51.25 | macnewbold | we're pretty flexible here on _which_ hours you work as long as you're usually here at times that overlap with other people being here, and average out to 40 hours a week (including credits for any vacation/sick time used) |
| 23:51.25 | thebigdog | macnewbold, can i get a job where i work 5 hour days |
| 23:51.34 | macnewbold | thebigdog: sure |
| 23:51.40 | thebigdog | haha |
| 23:51.44 | macnewbold | it will pay about 5/8 of the pay for 8 hour days ;) |
| 23:51.54 | thebigdog | nice |
| 23:51.56 | dataw0lf | you're hurting my brain with your complex maths |
| 23:51.56 | macnewbold | most places call it "part time" |
| 23:52.04 | macnewbold | ~asplode dataw0lf |
| 23:52.06 | jbot | dataw0lf head asplode, k thx |
| 23:52.42 | thebigdog | ~lart ie |
| 23:52.42 | jbot | slams ie against a large cement Tux |
| 23:52.48 | macnewbold | the kind of job that really rocks is where you work five hour days each week |
| 23:52.59 | thebigdog | y |
| 23:53.07 | thebigdog | im on the 12 hour plan |
| 23:53.18 | macnewbold | as in five one-hour days each week |
| 23:53.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I could handle that. |
| 23:53.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I might even roll all five of my days into one, maybe two. |
| 23:54.12 | thebigdog | 2 at least |
| 23:54.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I wouldn't want to interrupt my camping |
| 23:54.29 | thebigdog | we should move to france...max work week is like 32 hours |
| 23:54.29 | mindjuju | ~ranq |
| 23:54.33 | jbot | ACTION Carpe diem. Seize the day, boys. Make your lives extraordinary. |
| 23:54.36 | Lone_Wanderer | and/or wild partying (read: WoW playing) |
| 23:54.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, putting in 8 hours a day is SERIOUSLY working hard. |
| 23:55.11 | dataw0lf | ~lart everyone |
| 23:55.11 | jbot | acting on orders from an unspecified client drags everyone into court suing for $200 million |
| 23:55.31 | dataw0lf | ah, yes, my 10 hour day is finished |
| 23:55.33 | dataw0lf | I hate you guys |
| 23:55.35 | dataw0lf | I'm going home |
| 23:55.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Me too. Bye. |
| 23:55.56 | mindjuju | cya |
| 23:56.08 | thebigdog | ~wave dataw0lf |
| 23:56.09 | jbot | Bye, dataw0lf |
| 23:56.48 | thebigdog | i still got like 8 hours left in this day |
| 23:56.48 | macnewbold | dataw0lf works a few extra hours to spend more time with his precious "perks" at his job... |
| 23:57.05 | macnewbold | me too, thebigdog - you must be on mountain time too? |
| 23:57.13 | Lone_Wanderer | If by "perk" you mean "open bar"... |
| 23:57.20 | thebigdog | im on all day time |
| 23:57.34 | thebigdog | im a one man shop here |
| 23:57.49 | Lone_Wanderer | That's what I can't stand about contracting. |
| 23:57.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Being on call all the time. |
| 23:58.13 | thebigdog | this is the day job still |
| 23:58.42 | mgeary | by night he's a used-car salesman |
| 23:58.44 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, ok |
| 23:58.49 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 23:59.12 | thebigdog | ok i can see the light at the end of my javascript hell hole |
| 23:59.21 | mgeary | i'm outta here folks. later |
| 23:59.36 | thebigdog | so i guess wps is now in this "new" channel |
| 23:59.40 | thebigdog | ~seen wps |