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| 00:00.52 | mgeary | hi folks, anyone around for a quick theory question? |
| 00:03.10 | jsmith | Sure... throw them out, and see if someone bites |
| 00:04.16 | mgeary | i've got a db field that needs to *only* store a 4-digit year. I'm contemplating the pros/cons of using an integer-based field rather than a date-based field. I'm trying to think of any downside to just using an integer field... |
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| 02:23.52 | mgeary | oy |
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| 14:48.04 | Utah_Dave | morning everyone |
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| 14:52.53 | mgeary | hallo |
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| 15:08.52 | Utah_Dave | Does anybody have a recommendation for a domain registrar? |
| 15:09.19 | Utah_Dave | I started using GoDaddy 3 or 4 years ago and am getting sick of all the ads and stuff |
| 15:14.08 | jsmith | Doesn't XMission do it now? |
| 15:15.47 | thebigdog | i use godaddy for all mine |
| 15:21.58 | mgeary | i use godaddy |
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| 15:23.46 | Utah_Dave | thebigdog: have you used their dns management tool? |
| 15:29.46 | mgeary | i do |
| 15:33.08 | Utah_Dave | mgeary: how has your experience been? I need to manage a domain name, but I don't have time right now to figure out how to set up and manage my own dns server |
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| 15:34.54 | mgeary | i use their Advanced Domain Manager tools (or whatever it's called), and use their Name Servers |
| 15:35.12 | mgeary | it's been good for us. we have over 150 domains that we manage thusly |
| 15:35.34 | PoeticIntensity | pardon the interruption, but... are you guys talking about godaddy? |
| 15:36.35 | mgeary | yeah |
| 15:37.10 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... I use their "Total DNS Control" to manage domains as well. |
| 15:37.23 | PoeticIntensity | it's actually, AFAICT, a very powerful tool. |
| 15:37.32 | mgeary | yeah |
| 15:37.44 | PoeticIntensity | I've often wondered if others are doing that. |
| 15:37.53 | mgeary | though i wish they wouldn't put those default CNAME records in |
| 15:37.56 | PoeticIntensity | because, frankly, I don't have a clue what I'm doing as far as DNS goes... |
| 15:41.29 | jsmith | DNS is like everything else with tech... it sounds ugly and scary until you take the time to learn it, and then it's really not that bad |
| 15:41.39 | PoeticIntensity | you're probably right. |
| 15:43.16 | mgeary | hey all, i'm looking for an apache wizard that i can chat with about a couple of things. I'm willing to compensate him/her for some time, but i want someone who's pretty well versed in apache. Any takers or recommendations? |
| 15:45.43 | synic | mgeary: com4 knows a lot. I'm pretty alright, but no guru or anything. |
| 15:50.05 | PoeticIntensity | what types of questions do you have? |
| 15:50.14 | PoeticIntensity | I'm very well versed in some areas... |
| 15:50.18 | PoeticIntensity | don't know jack in others. |
| 15:50.19 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 15:50.20 | mgeary | well, alright, let's discuss-- |
| 15:50.26 | mgeary | lemme just get off the phone |
| 15:50.29 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 15:51.07 | timinator | morning guys |
| 15:51.12 | PoeticIntensity | mo'nin |
| 15:54.11 | mgeary | so here's my situation. we've got, like i mentioned above, about 150 domains that all run through the same codebase |
| 15:54.14 | mgeary | same database |
| 15:54.16 | mgeary | same server |
| 15:54.38 | mgeary | the code basically looks at the domain and uses that to get the relevant info from the database |
| 15:55.18 | mgeary | now, currently, my httpd.conf file has to grow each time we add a client. I make a new VirtualHost record, and duplicate essentially everything except the ServerName and ServerAlias, which i make particular to the new domain |
| 15:55.26 | mgeary | but i think there's a better way to do it |
| 15:56.26 | mgeary | i suspect i don't need a VirtualHost for each domain. I could simply have apache listen on port 80 for all traffic, and when a domain is requested that matches something in my database, i simply brand the output accordingly |
| 15:56.48 | mgeary | that'd save a lot of config work. HOWEVER, it would also mean that i couldn't maintain a separate log file for each domain, which i DO want to do.... |
| 15:57.59 | mgeary | following me? |
| 15:59.55 | macnewbold | yep, that works |
| 16:02.15 | mgeary | any suggestions for the log file issue? |
| 16:02.20 | mgeary | that's kind of the clincher right now |
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| 16:18.47 | macnewbold | mgeary: , yeah if you need separate log files, you'll need separate virtual hosts for them I think |
| 16:19.12 | mgeary | :/ |
| 16:19.49 | mgeary | one other thought i had was to pipe the log stuff through a small app that would evaluate the domain and create/manage the separate log files that way |
| 16:21.28 | PoeticIntensity | dunno, man... |
| 16:21.34 | macnewbold | yeah, apache's easier though I think |
| 16:21.44 | macnewbold | you could do your own logging in php with error_log() if yo uwanted |
| 16:22.40 | mgeary | yeah, i was hoping to utilize existing capabilities more fully |
| 16:22.59 | mgeary | ah well, i'll live with the virtualhosts for now |
| 16:27.35 | macnewbold | you could check the apache docs, but I don't know of a way to configure additional logging other than by virtual hosts |
| 16:28.00 | mgeary | yeah. |
| 16:28.01 | macnewbold | the other option is post processing, like you mentioned, but I'm not even sure there'd be enough data in the log for you to tell what domain it belonged to without having the virtual hosts |
| 16:28.16 | mgeary | you can have that added to the log output |
| 16:28.28 | mgeary | so ultimately, i think that's what i'll end up doing |
| 16:28.31 | mgeary | but not today |
| 16:40.52 | macnewbold | right, you can have it output the virtual host into the log file, but you have to have virtual hosts set up for that, so you probably might as well just do the separate logging for the virt hosts directly anyway |
| 16:42.01 | mgeary | ah, i assumed that you could have it simply pass-thru the domain from the request header |
| 16:42.01 | mgeary | if it has to be tied to the virtualHost servername, then, yeah, that's not as useful |
| 16:44.12 | macnewbold | hm, that's an interesting possibility - that might just do the trick for you... |
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| 16:53.17 | mgeary | okay, since for now i'm going to stick with VirtualHosts, tell me this. What practical effect does ServerAlias have? Is that a directive i can use to have multiple domains share the DocumentRoot? |
| 16:53.38 | mgeary | the apache docs (at least where i'm looking) are particularly unhelpful in their lack of real-world examples |
| 16:54.27 | jsmith | mgeary: Exactly |
| 16:55.16 | mgeary | and are multiple domains added via multiple ServerAlias entries? Or do you supply them all in one line? |
| 16:55.45 | jsmith | I put them all on one line, personally |
| 16:55.54 | mgeary | so: |
| 16:56.11 | mgeary | serverAlias www.somedomain.com www.anotherdomain.com www.stillanotherone.com |
| 16:56.12 | mgeary | ? |
| 16:56.30 | mgeary | do you supply aliases both with and without the "www" ? |
| 17:00.21 | jsmith | Yes |
| 17:00.24 | jsmith | and Yes |
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| 17:04.10 | mgeary | k |
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| 17:10.18 | mgeary | Peter Gabriel++ |
| 17:13.43 | beandog | Jesse Cook++ |
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| 17:18.24 | mgeary | gee, i wish *I* had "smoldering onstage charisma" |
| 17:20.49 | beandog | http://www.amazon.com/Vertigo-Jesse-Cook/dp/B000007PHX/ |
| 17:20.53 | beandog | really good stuff |
| 17:20.56 | beandog | just ask PoeticIntensity |
| 17:21.01 | beandog | even though he doesnt know anything about music |
| 17:21.22 | mgeary | yeah, i'm jigging to the audio on http://www.jessecook.com/ right now |
| 17:22.00 | beandog | jig on |
| 17:23.14 | thebigdog | jason becker++ |
| 17:24.07 | thebigdog | gary hoey++ |
| 17:24.34 | thebigdog | marty friedman++ |
| 17:24.50 | mgeary | Cowboy Junkies++ |
| 17:24.56 | thebigdog | srv+++++++++++++++ |
| 17:25.03 | mgeary | srv? |
| 17:25.15 | thebigdog | stevie ray vaughn |
| 17:25.29 | thebigdog | zakk wylde++++++ |
| 17:25.54 | thebigdog | blues saraceno+++ |
| 17:26.22 | thebigdog | and my fav joe satriani+100 |
| 17:26.35 | mgeary | so, basically, you're into guitar players... |
| 17:26.57 | thebigdog | yeah...i like guitar music a lot |
| 17:27.02 | thebigdog | and all different kinds |
| 17:27.24 | thebigdog | and bb king too |
| 17:27.47 | thebigdog | i started listening to marty first...and then branched out into other music after that with guitar players |
| 17:28.28 | thebigdog | marty's stuff has tons of japanese influence...which i like a lot |
| 17:29.02 | thebigdog | then i started listening to srv and other blues guitarists and then it went in all directions after that |
| 17:30.50 | thebigdog | but im not into all the showy playing either |
| 17:31.59 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, do you like Joe Satriani's Engines of Creation album? |
| 17:32.07 | PoeticIntensity | and yes, beandog, Jesse Cooks rocks. |
| 17:32.29 | PoeticIntensity | he rocks the socks off my locks. |
| 17:32.34 | PoeticIntensity | :-? |
| 17:32.39 | Lone_Wanderer | You put socks on your hair? |
| 17:32.48 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 17:33.04 | PoeticIntensity | my hair needs TLC now and again... |
| 17:33.14 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity yeah i fancy attack and slow and easy |
| 17:33.15 | PoeticIntensity | and what better way than to wrap them up in some good cotton lovin'... ? |
| 17:33.28 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, I loved Joe Satriani until that album. |
| 17:33.34 | thebigdog | lol |
| 17:33.46 | PoeticIntensity | the track to my video was "War" from The Extremist. |
| 17:33.49 | thebigdog | my fav is dream #11 |
| 17:33.49 | PoeticIntensity | I *love* that album. |
| 17:33.59 | thebigdog | cryin' was good too |
| 17:34.03 | PoeticIntensity | yeah. |
| 17:34.21 | thebigdog | i do conclude with ya...80s and 90s albums rock though |
| 17:34.35 | PoeticIntensity | conclude? hehe..... concur, maybe? |
| 17:34.38 | thebigdog | im a stu ham fan too |
| 17:34.43 | thebigdog | concur |
| 17:34.44 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, might need an energy drink, too. |
| 17:34.54 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 17:34.59 | thebigdog | yeah, my coke has not kicked in yet |
| 17:35.07 | thebigdog | i do like the g3 stuff too |
| 17:35.10 | PoeticIntensity | holy crap, I hate the feeling I get right before I get sick. |
| 17:35.15 | thebigdog | but im not a big g3 fan |
| 17:35.19 | PoeticIntensity | g3? |
| 17:35.24 | PoeticIntensity | dunno what that is. |
| 17:35.32 | thebigdog | check it out |
| 17:35.36 | PoeticIntensity | g3.com? |
| 17:35.58 | thebigdog | crapola...i mean i love g3 but im not a big via fan |
| 17:36.04 | thebigdog | one sec |
| 17:36.04 | PoeticIntensity | OH MY.... |
| 17:36.15 | PoeticIntensity | John Petrucci.... and Joe Satriani... |
| 17:36.21 | PoeticIntensity | wow. |
| 17:36.32 | thebigdog | http://www.google.com/musicl?lid=1bvvjGrvBOG&aid=KyHmMmeJdSD |
| 17:36.37 | thebigdog | yeah i like petrucci |
| 17:36.44 | PoeticIntensity | Dream Theater is one of my favs... |
| 17:36.46 | PoeticIntensity | I'm a drummer... |
| 17:36.51 | PoeticIntensity | Mike Portnoy is my hero. |
| 17:38.32 | thebigdog | im a neil peart fan myself |
| 17:38.39 | PoeticIntensity | of course. |
| 17:38.42 | PoeticIntensity | that goes without saying... |
| 17:38.50 | PoeticIntensity | He's so out of reach for me, though.... |
| 17:38.50 | thebigdog | but im not a drummer though |
| 17:38.58 | PoeticIntensity | I can actually play some of Portnoy's stuff. |
| 17:39.01 | PoeticIntensity | Peart is just too good. |
| 17:39.31 | thebigdog | he is killer |
| 17:42.06 | timinator | BRB guys |
| 17:53.48 | mgeary | okay, i posted this yesterday, but couldn't stick around to see if anyone had a comment. I've got a DB that needs a field to store (only) a 4-digit year. I'm trying to think if there's any down-side to using an integer field, rather than a date field |
| 17:55.35 | seant23 | i'd go with integer for faster indexing |
| 17:55.56 | mgeary | yeah, and simpler formatting |
| 18:07.02 | seant23 | who wants free internet thru their toilet? |
| 18:07.03 | seant23 | 14http://www.google.com/tisp/01 |
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| 18:13.40 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 18:16.11 | mgeary | http://img.worsethanfailure.com/images/200704/error'd/horse.jpg hahahha |
| 18:17.16 | wps | although it was funny, it was too far fetched |
| 18:17.21 | wps | I didn't fall for it at all |
| 18:17.42 | seant23 | i actually did for a second or two |
| 18:17.45 | wps | The best April fools jokes are the ones that are plausible so that believe |
| 18:17.45 | Lone_Wanderer | jsmith: you around? |
| 18:17.58 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: Yes |
| 18:18.02 | wps | s/that believe/that you believe/ |
| 18:18.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Got a question about voip if you don't mind |
| 18:18.28 | jsmith | Sure... I may be a tad slow to answer, but I'll try to answer as quickly as I can |
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| 18:19.17 | Lone_Wanderer | There's no hurry. If I get a high speed 'net line, and I install a PBX on a home machine (Asterisk most likely), what else do I need to do in order to get set up? Like, how do I get a number pointed at my PBX? |
| 18:20.00 | timinator | back |
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| 18:20.17 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer: call Arrivaltel |
| 18:20.33 | Lone_Wanderer | And, because I've been wondering about this kind of idly over the past few months - could I get fifteen lines or so, and then write a script that dials one number with all fifteen lines (like a radio station) and just gives me the first line that's picked up by them? |
| 18:21.02 | Utah_Dave | Lone_Wanderer: yeah, that's easy |
| 18:21.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Which also brings up the question of whether one could DDoS a phone line. |
| 18:21.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Using multiple zombified computers that don't explicitly have VoIP set up on them. |
| 18:21.54 | seant23 | Lne_Wanderer: you planning on winning some radio contests? |
| 18:22.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Nah I just think about it every time I hear them say "Well take the 10th caller..." |
| 18:22.17 | Lone_Wanderer | s/Well/We'll |
| 18:22.18 | sisplau | hi |
| 18:22.22 | Lone_Wanderer | hi |
| 18:22.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Although if I ever heard of a contest that's for more than $1k or so I'd be tempted to think about maybe doing it. |
| 18:23.08 | Lone_Wanderer | But I kind of doubt that doing something like that would be ethical. |
| 18:23.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd have to take some philosophy classes and work out a way to justify it ;) |
| 18:25.15 | mindjuju | ~ranq |
| 18:25.16 | jbot | ACTION My precious |
| 18:26.43 | sisplau | utah? in the usa? |
| 18:26.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. |
| 18:27.03 | sisplau | :S |
| 18:27.09 | mgeary | problem? |
| 18:27.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Why =\ ? |
| 18:27.15 | sisplau | no xD |
| 18:27.15 | seant23 | is their another utah? |
| 18:27.22 | sisplau | soo far |
| 18:27.25 | sisplau | im form spain |
| 18:27.29 | sisplau | from |
| 18:27.33 | mgeary | hola |
| 18:27.37 | sisplau | hola :) |
| 18:27.52 | mgeary | yo tango una sposa bonita. |
| 18:27.59 | mgeary | that's the extent of my spanish :D |
| 18:28.00 | sisplau | felicidades |
| 18:28.03 | mgeary | hahaha |
| 18:28.06 | sisplau | xDDD |
| 18:28.20 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: I'll answer in a private message |
| 18:29.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Hi. Umm. |
| 18:29.23 | Lone_Wanderer | Yo no hablo espanol. (?) |
| 18:29.36 | sisplau | no problem |
| 18:29.40 | sisplau | i speak english |
| 18:30.39 | Lone_Wanderer | As well you should. |
| 18:30.52 | Lone_Wanderer | English is the Best Language on Earth and everyone, everywhere should be required to learn it. |
| 18:31.03 | mgeary | ~lart Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:31.03 | jbot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets Lone_Wanderer feel it |
| 18:31.09 | sisplau | :/ |
| 18:31.11 | Lone_Wanderer | (I hope that my sarcasm is translating.) |
| 18:31.27 | Lone_Wanderer | sisplau: I'm kidding. A lot of Americans are idiots, and I'm making fun of the people that think like that. |
| 18:31.51 | sisplau | xD |
| 18:32.03 | Lone_Wanderer | They travel to foreign countries and get upset when people don't speak English. |
| 18:32.38 | mgeary | "i said, I'D LIKE TWO BAG-ETTS PUHLEEZE! " |
| 18:33.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. |
| 18:33.11 | Lone_Wanderer | If someone doesn't speak English they repeat themselves more slowly and loudly. |
| 18:33.16 | Lone_Wanderer | As if that's going to magically translate things. |
| 18:33.26 | mgeary | and gesture wildly |
| 18:33.27 | Lone_Wanderer | How did you find us, sisplau? |
| 18:33.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. Gesticulate. |
| 18:34.08 | sisplau | im using altavista babelfish translation |
| 18:34.19 | sisplau | i need practice my english |
| 18:34.32 | Lone_Wanderer | You need *to* practice your English. |
| 18:34.37 | sisplau | but i love php |
| 18:34.42 | sisplau | ;) |
| 18:34.47 | Lone_Wanderer | And you've come to the right place. I love to correct people's English. |
| 18:35.12 | Lone_Wanderer | In English, we capitalize the names of days of the week (Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, etc.) and the names of languages - English, French, Spanish. |
| 18:35.20 | sisplau | pffff |
| 18:35.24 | sisplau | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 18:35.27 | mgeary | hahah |
| 18:35.31 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 18:35.34 | Lone_Wanderer | You want to learn or not? :p |
| 18:36.18 | sisplau | yes, but no today |
| 18:36.55 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 18:37.20 | sisplau | bored? |
| 18:37.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Nope, working. |
| 18:37.41 | sisplau | what ti me is it? |
| 18:37.46 | sisplau | *time |
| 18:37.56 | Lone_Wanderer | 12:37 |
| 18:37.58 | macnewbold | sisplau: where are you from in Spain? |
| 18:38.02 | sisplau | 20:37 |
| 18:38.09 | sisplau | barcelona |
| 18:38.14 | macnewbold | cool |
| 18:38.23 | sisplau | yeah |
| 18:38.24 | sisplau | xDD |
| 18:38.34 | mgeary | la estada bonita |
| 18:38.48 | sisplau | do you like sooccer? |
| 18:38.54 | Lone_Wanderer | What do the Spanish think of the French, in general? |
| 18:39.10 | Lone_Wanderer | And Morocco? |
| 18:39.19 | sisplau | frenchs sucks |
| 18:39.29 | sisplau | morocco suks more |
| 18:39.31 | sisplau | xD |
| 18:39.55 | Lone_Wanderer | why does Morocco suck? I lived there. |
| 18:39.56 | sisplau | iim kidding |
| 18:40.05 | sisplau | hahaha |
| 18:40.13 | sisplau | perfect for you |
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| 18:40.50 | sisplau | ciao |
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| 18:41.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. How many h's are there? |
| 18:41.08 | Lone_Wanderer | h4? h5? |
| 18:41.14 | mindjuju | h7 |
| 18:41.48 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 18:41.49 | wps | which is silly |
| 18:42.06 | wps | because on almost every site that I have ever made by the time that you get to 3 or 4 it's the same size as the body copy |
| 18:42.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Why? |
| 18:42.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, yes. |
| 18:42.18 | wps | I've never had more then four |
| 18:42.23 | mindjuju | :: PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT -- The tunes at di.fm @breaks are piping hawt today. Mindjuju recommends everybody tune in :: |
| 18:42.46 | Lone_Wanderer | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:42.49 | jbot | from memory, lone_wanderer is goes through sunflower seeds way too fast, or an acolyte of mindjuju's musical tastes, or not heckariffic (whatever that is) |
| 18:45.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Is this remixed Enigma? |
| 18:45.38 | mindjuju | it sounds like it |
| 18:45.47 | Lone_Wanderer | At least some of the clips do. |
| 18:46.29 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm, why is my button super tiny? |
| 18:51.44 | wps | you button? |
| 18:51.46 | thebigdog | ok...its official layton sucks |
| 18:51.52 | wps | s/you/your/ |
| 18:52.05 | wps | why's that, thebigdog? I thought you liked it there. |
| 18:52.20 | thebigdog | cause we dont have anything |
| 18:52.29 | thebigdog | except a crappy city pool |
| 18:52.42 | thebigdog | i got to syracuse to walk on great paved trails |
| 18:52.42 | wps | what about the lights in the park during Christmas? |
| 18:52.56 | thebigdog | they are ok...there is a guy in layton that does better |
| 18:53.17 | thebigdog | he makes his own |
| 18:53.22 | thebigdog | retirement must be great |
| 18:53.34 | thebigdog | the pool sucks so we go to clearfield aquatic center |
| 18:53.37 | wps | you're right though, Layton/Kaysville all went to pot when they closed the Potato Chip factory down |
| 18:53.45 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 18:54.13 | thebigdog | we have nothing in terms of outdoor activities |
| 18:54.56 | wps | what about the botanical gardens by the freeway? :) |
| 18:55.58 | thebigdog | lol...that has yet to really be built |
| 18:56.05 | wps | yeah |
| 18:56.06 | thebigdog | the water is nice though |
| 18:56.28 | thebigdog | there is one in clearfield that will be done before...that has a 2mile walk loop around it |
| 18:56.37 | thebigdog | which is killer nice for family walks |
| 18:56.51 | thebigdog | and branches off to other ones around the syracuse |
| 18:57.01 | thebigdog | im sad :( |
| 18:57.06 | thebigdog | saddog |
| 18:57.39 | Lone_Wanderer | there's a Syracuse in Utah? |
| 18:57.43 | thebigdog | y |
| 19:05.02 | mindjuju | Perhaps today IS a good day to die! Prepare for Ramming Speed!! |
| 19:07.19 | mgeary | ooohhh. i haven't watched any Star Trek for a long time |
| 19:08.02 | mindjuju | yeah, was just doing some coding, then for some reason that quote from Worf popped into my head |
| 19:14.24 | Utah_Dave | mgeary, thebigdog: I'm trying to point a subdomain to a folder on my server. Example: edit.mydomain.com should point to mydomain.com/edit |
| 19:15.35 | Utah_Dave | so do I put "edit" as the alias and mydomain.com/edit as the Host name? |
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| 19:37.36 | mgeary | Utah_Dave: one sec, OTP |
| 19:37.43 | Utah_Dave | ok |
| 19:39.48 | beandog | Utah_Dave: are you using apache? |
| 19:39.55 | beandog | Just do a new VirtualHost |
| 19:40.00 | Utah_Dave | yeah |
| 19:40.06 | beandog | <VirtualHost *:80> |
| 19:40.15 | beandog | ServerName foo.bar.com |
| 19:40.32 | Utah_Dave | ok, that makes sense. |
| 19:40.34 | beandog | DocumentRoot /var/apache/www/bar.com/foo |
| 19:40.45 | Utah_Dave | how about if I want to point a subdomain to another server? |
| 19:40.56 | beandog | what do you mean |
| 19:41.35 | mgeary | so, the way i've done this is to set up a new VirtualHost with the subdomain as the serverName, and then just pointed that virtualHost to the correct directory |
| 19:42.00 | beandog | Utah_Dave: ah, youd have to setup DNS to point to the other one. |
| 19:42.12 | beandog | *.bar.com A 12.34.56.78 |
| 19:42.19 | beandog | foo.bar.com A 12.34.56.99 |
| 19:42.48 | Utah_Dave | ok, so that would require another A entry not a cname |
| 19:42.52 | mgeary | correct |
| 19:42.59 | beandog | A cname is just an alias, kind of. |
| 19:43.06 | beandog | which you can use a domain in there |
| 19:43.10 | mgeary | ...which points do a different DOMAIN, not IP |
| 19:43.16 | beandog | bar.com 12.34.56.78 |
| 19:43.17 | beandog | right |
| 19:43.23 | beandog | *.bar.com CNAME bar.com |
| 19:43.25 | beandog | is what you'd see |
| 19:43.42 | beandog | so they can go to whatever.bar.com and it'd ping bar.com |
| 19:43.51 | beandog | or resolve, at least. |
| 19:46.14 | Utah_Dave | ok, thanks for the explanation |
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| 19:49.08 | thebigdog | Utah_Dave, did you get that fixed? |
| 19:49.19 | Utah_Dave | I think so. |
| 19:49.49 | thebigdog | k |
| 19:49.52 | Utah_Dave | The main thing was I just didn't understand exactly how everything worked |
| 19:49.55 | Utah_Dave | thanks everyone |
| 19:50.02 | thebigdog | cool |
| 19:50.28 | seant23 | what you guys use for irc client? |
| 19:50.52 | mgeary | Colloquium |
| 19:50.55 | mgeary | (OS X) |
| 19:50.58 | thebigdog | irssi, xchat |
| 19:52.27 | jsmith | telnet |
| 19:52.41 | seant23 | anybody use trillian? |
| 19:53.52 | jsmith | IRC in trillian is awful |
| 19:54.05 | seant23 | have you tried astra? |
| 19:55.00 | seant23 | it doesn't seem to be too bad, crashes every now and then thou, it is in alpha |
| 19:58.00 | thebigdog | seant23, are you looking for a new irc client? |
| 19:58.16 | mgeary | seant23: you know it's only a matter of time before you get a Mac |
| 19:58.23 | mgeary | ;) |
| 19:58.27 | timinator | Mac+++++ |
| 19:58.36 | seant23 | ya just looking |
| 19:58.53 | mgeary | ~karma Mac |
| 19:58.53 | jbot | mac has neutral karma |
| 19:58.56 | seant23 | i've used Mirc before and now trillian |
| 19:59.26 | thebigdog | if you ever use linux then you might want an irc client that you can run on both |
| 19:59.38 | thebigdog | i use irssi and xchat so i can port the configs around |
| 19:59.55 | mgeary | ~buy mgeary Corn Nuts package |
| 19:59.56 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen Corn Nuts packages for mgeary |
| 19:59.56 | beandog | any js gurus around |
| 19:59.59 | beandog | I cant figure this out. |
| 20:00.05 | beandog | http://rafb.net/p/1tXYJf10.html |
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| 20:00.10 | beandog | it stops working after the onload |
| 20:00.17 | thebigdog | ~thebigdog |
| 20:00.18 | jbot | hmm... thebigdog is a guroob, or the sql guru, or a GWAR Groupie |
| 20:00.18 | mgeary | uh |
| 20:00.20 | beandog | 'test' never shows up |
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| 20:00.22 | mgeary | beandog: what are you intending there |
| 20:00.23 | mgeary | ? |
| 20:00.32 | beandog | the html to show up |
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| 20:00.37 | beandog | all I see is 'hi' |
| 20:00.45 | mgeary | doing a document.write in an onload seems like a bad idea |
| 20:00.53 | seant23 | ya i agree |
| 20:00.56 | beandog | Im doing it for simplification |
| 20:01.04 | mgeary | what is your desired end result? give us some context |
| 20:01.13 | mgeary | also, document.write == bad. innerHTML == good |
| 20:01.16 | beandog | I want onLoad to not stop the page loading |
| 20:01.20 | thebigdog | beandog, you want them both to show up? |
| 20:01.28 | beandog | gah. Forget the example. Just consider the principle. :) |
| 20:01.35 | beandog | yes |
| 20:01.59 | mgeary | is the principle "doing a document.write() in an onload handler"? |
| 20:02.05 | seant23 | i think the html is loading and the javascript is overwritting |
| 20:02.08 | mgeary | 'cause if so, i think you should consider a different approach |
| 20:02.09 | mgeary | i agree |
| 20:02.19 | beandog | no, doing anything in onLoad() stops the html loading |
| 20:02.31 | mgeary | ahh |
| 20:02.34 | mgeary | take out the Javascript: |
| 20:02.42 | mgeary | onload pre-supposes javascript |
| 20:02.50 | mgeary | so: onLoad="document.write()" |
| 20:02.55 | mgeary | that's yer problem |
| 20:02.58 | seant23 | try adding alert(1); before the document.write part |
| 20:03.02 | thebigdog | beandog...the write method writes to the document as it is loading |
| 20:03.05 | mgeary | but first take out the " |
| 20:03.06 | thebigdog | so an onload will mess that up |
| 20:03.07 | mgeary | Javascript:" |
| 20:03.18 | beandog | ah... gotcha. |
| 20:03.25 | beandog | document.write was overwriting the other HTML |
| 20:03.26 | beandog | meh. |
| 20:03.27 | beandog | -_- |
| 20:03.47 | beandog | thanks guys |
| 20:03.52 | mgeary | but again, back to your bigger picture, what do you want to happen when the doc is loaded? |
| 20:04.42 | beandog | uh |
| 20:04.48 | beandog | thats a whole other ballpark |
| 20:04.52 | mgeary | ok |
| 20:05.20 | beandog | thanks though |
| 20:05.32 | beandog | I already had a separate function running on onLoad() |
| 20:05.41 | beandog | but I was testing with document.write() first, which was throwing me for a loop |
| 20:06.56 | mgeary | sure |
| 20:09.06 | beandog | confusing stuff, js. |
| 20:09.25 | seant23 | mozilla has very good docuementation if your looking for some |
| 20:09.34 | beandog | oh yah? |
| 20:09.36 | seant23 | and the firefox extension firebug is great for debugging |
| 20:11.02 | thebigdog | ~wake time |
| 20:11.05 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on time and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:11.05 | thebigdog | ~wake timinator |
| 20:11.07 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on timinator and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:11.51 | timinator | dude!! I had just gotten to sleep too.... |
| 20:12.16 | timinator | whatd |
| 20:12.27 | timinator | whatd'ya want thebigdog? |
| 20:12.46 | thebigdog | how is the server working for ya? |
| 20:13.03 | wps | can someone explain this syntax to me? |
| 20:13.13 | wps | $post_ID = 'post' == $action ? write_post() : edit_post(); |
| 20:13.19 | wps | what's going on there? |
| 20:13.43 | timinator | thebigdog: wonderful |
| 20:13.50 | beandog | $post_ID looks to be true or false to me |
| 20:13.54 | timinator | wps: it's an if-then statement |
| 20:14.11 | beandog | which, probably isnt what they want. |
| 20:14.15 | beandog | er, wait. |
| 20:14.18 | beandog | meh. |
| 20:14.34 | wps | can you say it in english for me, timinator ? |
| 20:14.50 | wps | such as "if ____ equals ___ , then ____, else do ____" |
| 20:16.21 | timinator | $post_ID='post'; if($action==$post_ID) { write_post(); } else { edit_post(); } |
| 20:16.50 | thebigdog | timinator, cool |
| 20:17.01 | wps | ah! |
| 20:17.01 | jsmith | wps: If $action == post, then $post_ID = write_post(), else $post_id = edit_post(); |
| 20:17.12 | wps | now, why wouldn't you just write it that way in the first place??? |
| 20:17.13 | wps | :) |
| 20:17.16 | timinator | thebigdog: for sure..... I haven't messed w/ the email yet, but that's not urgent |
| 20:17.24 | thebigdog | k |
| 20:17.26 | timinator | :) |
| 20:17.28 | thebigdog | sounds good then |
| 20:17.29 | jsmith | timinator: I don't think that's quite right... |
| 20:17.50 | jsmith | timinator: It doesn't do the assignment to $post_ID until after it's done the equality |
| 20:18.00 | timinator | OH.... my bad |
| 20:18.21 | wps | if you assign a var to a function does that execute the function? |
| 20:18.52 | thebigdog | it follows the order of operation |
| 20:18.57 | jsmith | Yes, it would execute that function, and assign the return value of the function to that variable. |
| 20:19.12 | wps | ah… that makes sense |
| 20:19.14 | wps | thank you |
| 20:19.20 | jsmith | So in this case, $post_ID would end up with the return value of either write_post() or edit_post() |
| 20:19.28 | wps | awesome |
| 20:19.28 | jsmith | No problem |
| 20:19.53 | thebigdog | the assignment does not cause it run the function...the order of execution does |
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| 20:26.31 | mgeary | ~yow |
| 20:26.34 | timinator | ~lart |
| 20:26.39 | mgeary | ~literal yow |
| 20:26.40 | jbot | "yow" is "<REPLY> are you this evening?" |
| 20:26.40 | Lone_Wanderer | ~ranq |
| 20:26.43 | jbot | ACTION get in the flask! |
| 20:26.45 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 20:26.45 | jbot | strangles thebigdog with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 20:26.46 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 20:26.50 | jbot | chuckfact is, like, When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris |
| 20:27.01 | Lone_Wanderer | ~literal chuckfact |
| 20:27.03 | jbot | "chuckfact" is "(Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops|Chuck Norris hand is the only hand that can beat a Royal Flush|There is no chin under Chuck Norris Beard. There is only another fist|When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet for Chuck Norris)" |
| 20:27.24 | Lone_Wanderer | ~yow |
| 20:27.24 | thebigdog | ~tunafart timinator |
| 20:27.26 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to timinator, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 20:27.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. |
| 20:27.36 | mindjuju | nice |
| 20:27.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ~literal yow |
| 20:27.40 | jbot | "yow" is "<REPLY> are you this evening?" |
| 20:27.43 | mgeary | yeah, weird |
| 20:27.45 | timinator | ewww |
| 20:27.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Weird. |
| 20:28.11 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 20:28.11 | jbot | puts thebigdog into a headlock and administers a mighty noogie, rubbing half of thebigdog's hair of |
| 20:28.22 | Lone_Wanderer | off* |
| 20:28.24 | timinator | hair of???? |
| 20:28.28 | timinator | lol |
| 20:28.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Hair of Might, clearly. |
| 20:28.53 | Lone_Wanderer | But only half of it. |
| 20:28.58 | timinator | lol |
| 20:32.23 | mindjuju | ugh, sounds like this animated cursor thing is a nightmare |
| 20:33.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Why would you want to animate a cursor? |
| 20:34.36 | mindjuju | who knows |
| 20:37.32 | Lone_Wanderer | That seems like an even bigger crime than playing music when a page loads. |
| 20:37.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Because at least with the music playing, you can still close the window. If your cursor starts doing crazy stuff, you might not even be able to do that. |
| 20:40.30 | mindjuju | ... nobody knows the troubles i've seen ... |
| 20:40.37 | mindjuju | ... nobody knows my sorrows ... |
| 20:42.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Home, home on the range |
| 20:43.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Where the lead and the brass freely fly |
| 20:43.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Where seldom is heard / A catankerous word / 'Cause you never know who's packing heat |
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| 20:48.57 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:50.53 | Lone_Wanderer | You know, it occurs to me that the "An armed society is a polite society" argument in favor of gun control is at least as based on fear as any Big Brother campaign. |
| 20:53.06 | wps | question… |
| 20:53.11 | wps | file B is included into several files |
| 20:53.22 | wps | is there any way to tell (from inside of B) which file included it? |
| 20:53.59 | wps | so, if A includes B, can you test against a variable in B to determine if it was A (opposed to C or D) that included it? |
| 20:54.00 | macnewbold | $_SERVER has some that should |
| 20:54.01 | mgeary | well, b inherits the variables defined in the including file |
| 20:54.20 | macnewbold | you can see $_SERVER[SCRIPT_NAME], and some others related to the URL or file path |
| 20:54.35 | mgeary | so, if A/C/D have, say, a $page_name variable set before the include, you could key off of that |
| 20:54.45 | macnewbold | but that won't tell you whether A included C which included B, or A included B directly, or A included D which included B |
| 20:54.55 | wps | I was hoping to test for A's filename |
| 20:54.59 | macnewbold | the debug backtrace may also have the info in there too |
| 20:55.08 | thebigdog | wps use get_included_files |
| 20:55.19 | macnewbold | wps: you should be able to do that with the $_SERVER values too, if you're always looking for the top level file |
| 20:55.40 | mgeary | cool. never seen that get_included_files. that's handy |
| 20:55.41 | wps | hmm… looks like it's not the top :( |
| 20:55.54 | wps | apparently D includes E which includes A which includes B |
| 20:55.59 | wps | dang |
| 20:56.03 | thebigdog | problem that you might run into is that if you search those they dont necessarly mean the right order |
| 20:56.26 | wps | I'll have to pass a custom var in |
| 20:58.26 | seant23 | __FILE__ |
| 20:58.47 | seant23 | you can also use __LINE__ |
| 20:58.52 | seant23 | __FUNCTION__ |
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| 21:04.20 | Lone_Wanderer | vv? |
| 21:04.59 | mgeary | ww? |
| 21:07.21 | Lone_Wanderer | (insert long string of expletives) |
| 21:07.37 | PoeticIntensity | __FILE__ is right. |
| 21:07.49 | PoeticIntensity | that's the easiest way to figure out what file is / was running. |
| 21:08.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Why the heck did this gosh-danged piece of stuff decide to make itself tiny and menu bar-less in the top right corner of my window? |
| 21:09.03 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: if i didn't know better i'd say you weren't running a Mac |
| 21:09.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I *am* on a Mac. |
| 21:09.20 | wps | if you set a var in A and then include B, you should be able to see/use the var in B, no? |
| 21:09.27 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: yes |
| 21:09.31 | wps | hmm |
| 21:09.32 | wps | arg |
| 21:09.33 | wps | no workie |
| 21:09.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Weird. |
| 21:09.53 | wps | what if I am including the file by running a function that includes it |
| 21:10.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm, good question. I think the file would inherit the scope of the function. |
| 21:10.43 | seant23 | yup |
| 21:14.38 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: At least Windows is predictable. |
| 21:14.57 | mgeary | what app is the window from? |
| 21:14.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm starting to get annoyed by how things "Just Work" even when I don't want them to. |
| 21:15.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Firefox |
| 21:15.08 | macnewbold | wps: the included file may end up in global scope instead of the function's scope and anything that you didn't use "global" on in the function won't show through probably |
| 21:15.26 | wps | yeah, I had to pass the variable into the function |
| 21:15.34 | mgeary | well, that's not the Mac, that's some javascript from whatever page you're viewing, no? |
| 21:15.43 | Lone_Wanderer | No, it's not JavaScript. |
| 21:17.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, I fixed it. |
| 21:18.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I tried to quit and it said "Are you sure? There's lots of tabs open" (which required it to un-whatever itself) |
| 21:18.06 | Lone_Wanderer | and I moved it and hit cancel and it's fine again. |
| 21:18.09 | mgeary | huh |
| 21:18.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I think it's Mac, not Firefox. |
| 21:18.34 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart mgeary |
| 21:18.34 | jbot | resizes mgeary's terminal to 40x24 |
| 21:18.35 | Lone_Wanderer | It's never done that on my Windows box. |
| 21:18.47 | mgeary | ~insult PoeticIntensity |
| 21:18.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm starting to think that I don't like Mac very much. |
| 21:18.55 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 21:19.01 | mgeary | :) |
| 21:19.07 | PoeticIntensity | *that* was beautiful. |
| 21:20.26 | mgeary | ~ stevejobsify Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:20.27 | jbot | ACTION drags Lone_Wanderer by the scruff of the neck and plants him in front row center of the Moscone Center at the peak of Steve Jobs' keynote address until Lone_Wanderers eyes glaze over and he calms down |
| 21:21.01 | mgeary | eh? eh? :D |
| 21:21.02 | Lone_Wanderer | That... didn't help. |
| 21:21.11 | mgeary | look, don't make me do it again |
| 21:21.11 | PoeticIntensity | I think it did. |
| 21:21.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I refuse to drink the kool-aid. |
| 21:21.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Hey, look, I've used them both now, okay? I know which one I like better. |
| 21:21.43 | mgeary | but you're wrong |
| 21:21.52 | mgeary | ;) |
| 21:21.56 | PoeticIntensity | you are. |
| 21:21.59 | PoeticIntensity | accept it. |
| 21:22.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I know, I don't have a goatee *or* a beret. |
| 21:22.22 | Lone_Wanderer | So I probably can't even conceive of some of the ways I'm wrong. |
| 21:22.22 | mgeary | how about a black mock-turtleneck? |
| 21:22.33 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't own a turtleneck period. |
| 21:22.35 | mgeary | see, we didn't even have to stevejobsify PoeticIntensity |
| 21:22.36 | PoeticIntensity | is that like... an inverse turtleneck? |
| 21:23.06 | Lone_Wanderer | So obviously I'm not Hip enough to appreciate the goodness that is a Mac. |
| 21:23.22 | PoeticIntensity | could someone hack into our servers and cause chaos? |
| 21:23.26 | PoeticIntensity | I'm bored out of my mind. |
| 21:23.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Sure, give me the IP and the root password. |
| 21:23.41 | PoeticIntensity | with 72,341 things to do. |
| 21:23.47 | Lone_Wanderer | And tell me what kind of chaos you want. |
| 21:23.49 | PoeticIntensity | hehe........ errrrr....... not quite. |
| 21:23.52 | Lone_Wanderer | rm -rf / type? |
| 21:24.02 | PoeticIntensity | that'd be some nice chaos, for sure. |
| 21:24.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Or just twiddle a few Apache configs type? |
| 21:24.12 | PoeticIntensity | that'd probably be worse. |
| 21:24.18 | PoeticIntensity | we can always restore backups... |
| 21:24.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Apache config twiddling isn't that bad. |
| 21:24.24 | PoeticIntensity | but man... if ya get the right configs tweaked... |
| 21:24.28 | PoeticIntensity | it might not be caught for months. |
| 21:24.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh no, I'd be sure and make it something you catch ;) |
| 21:24.49 | PoeticIntensity | I should have known you'd be nice. |
| 21:25.12 | PoeticIntensity | somebody kick me. |
| 21:25.20 | PoeticIntensity | isn't the lunch today,....... or something? |
| 21:25.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Friday I believe. |
| 21:25.45 | PoeticIntensity | ah. |
| 21:26.05 | PoeticIntensity | isn't that where dataw0lf is gonna break the world record for beer drank in a minute? |
| 21:26.35 | Lone_Wanderer | What's dataw0lf's email address? |
| 21:26.45 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm going to write him about the desert camping trip thing. |
| 21:26.46 | PoeticIntensity | something@stderr.ws |
| 21:26.48 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 21:26.51 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 21:26.58 | PoeticIntensity | dude... I was kiddin'... |
| 21:27.00 | Lone_Wanderer | he's got a catchall I'm assuming? |
| 21:27.05 | PoeticIntensity | NO IDEA. |
| 21:27.06 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 21:27.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess I'll find out. |
| 21:27.17 | PoeticIntensity | although.... I think that might be the case. |
| 21:27.18 | PoeticIntensity | yeah |
| 21:27.35 | Lone_Wanderer | only_gay_men_dance@stderr.ws :D |
| 21:33.35 | PoeticIntensity | there ya go. |
| 21:38.28 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 22:04.35 | macnewbold | wahoo, netsplit a' comin'! |
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| 22:17.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Welcome back! |
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| 22:17.54 | macnewbold | wild ride |
| 22:17.54 | seant23 | 10Lone_Wanderer01: where did everybody go? |
| 22:17.54 | PoeticIntensity | woo hoo! |
| 22:17.55 | beandog | nerds. |
| 22:17.55 | Lone_Wanderer | That's a netsplit, seant23. |
| 22:17.55 | beandog | ~lart all y'all |
| 22:17.55 | jbot | raises middle finger to all y'all |
| 22:17.55 | seant23 | netsplit? |
| 22:17.56 | Lone_Wanderer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit |
| 22:17.56 | mgeary | ~wiki netsplit |
| 22:17.57 | mgeary | jbot is dead |
| 22:18.06 | mindjuju | technically, mgeary, that should give the same URL |
| 22:18.06 | mgeary | yeah. |
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| 22:19.09 | mindjuju | sup jbot |
| 22:19.09 | mgeary | ~welcome jbot |
| 22:19.11 | jbot | Good to see you, jbot! |
| 22:19.11 | mindjuju | yo jbot |
| 22:20.20 | mindjuju | ~welcome jbot time 4:20 |
| 22:20.22 | jbot | Hey, jbot time 4:20! Glad you could join us. |
| 22:21.00 | mindjuju | hmmm... 24 sec delay |
| 22:21.00 | mindjuju | yo jbot |
| 22:22.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it possible to have an inline element that also has a width? |
| 22:22.31 | Lone_Wanderer | And a background color? |
| 22:22.31 | mgeary | like a span? |
| 22:22.31 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart two-column layouts |
| 22:22.32 | jbot | strangles two-column layouts with a 9-pole serial cable |
| 22:22.32 | macnewbold | yes, you can |
| 22:23.30 | beandog | 9-pole? |
| 22:23.30 | macnewbold | 9-pin? |
| 22:23.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I know I've done this before, many times, I'm just having a brain fart. |
| 22:23.30 | macnewbold | you can set a bg color for any element (block or inline) |
| 22:23.30 | macnewbold | but you probably need to change it to a block element in order to give it a width |
| 22:23.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah but when I do that it doesn't actually fill in all the padding and stuff. |
| 22:23.47 | beandog | mindjuju: heh |
| 22:23.48 | Lone_Wanderer | And when I make it a block element, it pushes the right column down below itself. |
| 22:24.04 | beandog | see, thats why I never use CSS. |
| 22:24.04 | beandog | You crazy bleeding edge zealots. |
| 22:24.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I need two columns of different widths |
| 22:24.41 | beandog | :) |
| 22:24.41 | Lone_Wanderer | err, different heights |
| 22:25.00 | Lone_Wanderer | and they need to squish up and down depending on how much stuff is in them |
| 22:25.00 | seant23 | you guys ever hear of oswd.org? |
| 22:25.00 | seant23 | its awsome for quick jobs |
| 22:25.00 | mindjuju | course, i think there is as much abuse in CSS as there is in HTML |
| 22:25.26 | Lone_Wanderer | seant23: yeah, I forgot about it though :p thanks for the reminder |
| 22:25.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I use it for my personal sites |
| 22:26.24 | mgeary | eww. Salt 'n' Vinegar? Thanks, but i'm not THAT hungry |
| 22:26.41 | mindjuju | huh? Salt n Vinegar is the best! |
| 22:26.47 | mindjuju | i truly love SnV |
| 22:26.55 | mgeary | yuck. |
| 22:26.56 | mindjuju | especially with a good sandwich |
| 22:27.10 | mgeary | living in London for 12 months did nothing to convert me to Salt n Vinegar crisps |
| 22:27.26 | mindjuju | really? |
| 22:27.35 | mgeary | yes |
| 22:27.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Man, I can't even think about them without salivating. |
| 22:27.57 | mgeary | though there are many other tasty British goodies that i appreciate |
| 22:33.56 | mindjuju | fish and chips has to be one of the greatest things EVAR |
| 22:34.01 | mindjuju | especially with SnV |
| 22:34.23 | mindjuju | i mean, how could you get better, besides, ofcourse, General Tso and his amazing chicken ways ? |
| 22:34.45 | mgeary | F&C is indeed wonderful |
| 22:35.01 | mgeary | but vinegar is, and you can quote me on this, NOT a condiment |
| 22:35.20 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 22:35.22 | jbot | rumour has it, mgeary is Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie. NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127 |
| 22:35.45 | thebigdog | vinegar is great |
| 22:36.09 | mindjuju | jbot, mgeary is also a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 22:36.10 | jbot | mindjuju: okay |
| 22:36.14 | mindjuju | ~mgeary |
| 22:36.15 | jbot | i guess mgeary is Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie. NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127, or a person who does not believe vinegar is a condiment |
| 22:36.34 | beandog | ~beandog |
| 22:36.35 | jbot | somebody said beandog was cool, or one cool cat who has a sweet ride and likes to think he can drive. a dork PoeticIntensity's secret gay lover. |
| 22:36.36 | beandog | ~mindjuju |
| 22:36.37 | jbot | i heard mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or prone to messing with other people's factoids, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or a ibot super teacher, or the Prophet of Breakbeats |
| 22:36.59 | beandog | whats a breakbeat? |
| 22:37.00 | mindjuju | that's why in the morning, i peered around with my good eye |
| 22:37.11 | mindjuju | ~breakbeats |
| 22:37.19 | mindjuju | ~wiki breakbeats |
| 22:37.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually, technically, "breakbeat" isn't a musical term. |
| 22:37.32 | Lone_Wanderer | It refers to syncopation. |
| 22:37.47 | Lone_Wanderer | But only in a techno song. |
| 22:38.06 | mindjuju | what the world needs is more breakbeats |
| 22:38.18 | PoeticIntensity | I'll create a breakbeat for ya. |
| 22:38.19 | mindjuju | cool! |
| 22:38.31 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 22:38.39 | PoeticIntensity | having a basement works wonders for the neighbors. |
| 22:38.56 | beandog | dont they ever get hungry? |
| 22:38.59 | PoeticIntensity | and...... it is a factor that I've been doing it long enough to know when babies usually sleep. |
| 22:39.03 | Lone_Wanderer | When I was a kid, my neighbor (across the street) had drums in his basement too. |
| 22:39.07 | Lone_Wanderer | We heard them anyway. |
| 22:39.42 | PoeticIntensity | oh yeah.... you can still hear em'. |
| 22:39.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Even when we were inside. |
| 22:39.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Of our house. |
| 22:39.42 | Lone_Wanderer | It helped that he was pretty good. |
| 22:39.50 | PoeticIntensity | it also makes a huge difference if the drums are being "played" or being "practiced upon". |
| 22:39.56 | PoeticIntensity | precisely. |
| 22:40.21 | PoeticIntensity | most of my neighbors compliment me when I play. |
| 22:40.28 | PoeticIntensity | As opposed to when I was learning to play... |
| 22:40.43 | PoeticIntensity | they'd threaten both my, and my family's life. |
| 22:40.44 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 22:44.18 | PoeticIntensity | ah man..... |
| 22:44.19 | PoeticIntensity | dinner. |
| 22:46.57 | mgeary | ~comfort mindjuju |
| 22:46.58 | jbot | There, there, mindjuju. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:47.06 | beandog | LOL |
| 22:47.14 | mgeary | ~buy mindjuju chinese takeouts |
| 22:47.15 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen chinese takeoutss for mindjuju |
| 22:47.16 | wps | CTM |
| 22:47.28 | mindjuju | hmmm... chinese takeout! |
| 22:47.32 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:47.39 | mgeary | i'm thinking i'll pick up chinese on the way home |
| 22:47.42 | mgeary | mmmm. lemon chicken |
| 22:53.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Aaaaargh. |
| 22:53.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Way too short tempered today to be working on stupid, broken CSS. |
| 22:53.26 | beandog | bah |
| 22:53.31 | beandog | uphpu isn't on gmane? |
| 22:53.40 | Lone_Wanderer | What's gmane? |
| 22:53.44 | beandog | gah! |
| 22:53.59 | beandog | ~wiki gmane |
| 22:54.03 | Lone_Wanderer | Ha ha! Just kidding! |
| 22:54.06 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: heh |
| 22:54.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I totally use gmane all the time. |
| 22:54.18 | Lone_Wanderer | To umm. Gee. My manes. I use it on all my lions. |
| 22:54.24 | beandog | its a mailling list archiver | newsfeed thing |
| 22:54.27 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh coool |
| 22:54.30 | Lone_Wanderer | -o |
| 22:54.34 | beandog | plug is on there. |
| 22:54.57 | beandog | http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.org.user-groups.linux.provo.plug |
| 22:55.22 | beandog | I read mailing lists on a newsreader, since I hardly ever comment, and I get less email this way. |
| 22:55.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, good deal |
| 22:55.44 | beandog | knode++ |
| 22:56.18 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: if you ever come visit, I'll show you the 2-second tour. |
| 22:56.26 | beandog | even though you hate my music, you ingrateful jerk. |
| 22:56.28 | beandog | :C |
| 22:56.35 | beandog | ~comfort beandog |
| 22:56.36 | jbot | There, there, beandog. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 22:56.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually I really liked it :p |
| 22:56.53 | beandog | ah, cool |
| 22:57.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Tell you what, you guys leave the Freezing Death off, and I'll listen to your music :p |
| 22:57.17 | Lone_Wanderer | And use Gmane. |
| 22:57.18 | beandog | LOL |
| 22:57.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Does it get hot in there or something? What's the deal? |
| 22:57.43 | beandog | ask macnewbold |
| 22:57.46 | beandog | I have no comment on the matter |
| 22:58.14 | Lone_Wanderer | The only comment I have is that this layout sucks and I want to murder it. |
| 22:58.18 | Lone_Wanderer | ~murder this layout |
| 22:58.19 | jbot | ACTION shoots this layout in his sleep |
| 22:58.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I've never had so much trouble. |
| 22:58.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I'm just going to tell them that they have a static-height left column and they can deal with it. |
| 22:59.03 | Lone_Wanderer | And do it with tables. And be done. |
| 22:59.10 | mgeary | amen brother |
| 22:59.16 | mgeary | you're using floats for columns, no? |
| 23:00.27 | Lone_Wanderer | http://dev.codegreene.com/3formhome/material_detail.php take a look |
| 23:00.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't even know what I'm trying right now. I tried floats. They didn't work. |
| 23:01.11 | beandog | heh, thats always a fun point to reach |
| 23:01.12 | Lone_Wanderer | They're columned in Safari. |
| 23:01.14 | Lone_Wanderer | But not in Firefox. |
| 23:01.20 | beandog | when youve tried so much stuff you forgot what you wanted in the first place |
| 23:01.32 | Lone_Wanderer | In Firefox (and IE too I think) it's just... ugly. |
| 23:01.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh no, I know what I wanted. |
| 23:01.58 | Lone_Wanderer | I just want two columns. |
| 23:02.00 | Lone_Wanderer | That's it. |
| 23:02.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Shouldn't be too hard. |
| 23:02.17 | mgeary | k, so Safari is correct, yes? |
| 23:02.24 | mgeary | aha |
| 23:02.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, Safari works fine. |
| 23:07.36 | mgeary | gonna lend a hand here, LW |
| 23:07.38 | mgeary | sec |
| 23:08.12 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 23:08.14 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 23:08.33 | Lone_Wanderer | meanwhile I'm ranting about Mac fanatics who think that everything Steve Jobs does should be front page news. |
| 23:08.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Not that I know anyone like that or anything >.> |
| 23:11.05 | beandog | heh |
| 23:11.34 | beandog | ~wiki Reality Distortion Field |
| 23:12.14 | Lone_Wanderer | It wouldn't annoy me if I didn't get stuck in an Annoyance Focusing Field this morning when I got out of bed. |
| 23:12.37 | beandog | poopy. |
| 23:12.44 | beandog | and now youre hacking on 2 column CSS cruddery |
| 23:13.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is a distortion in space-time that acts as a lens, focusing everything annoying onto you. |
| 23:13.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Usually caused by sunspots. |
| 23:13.30 | beandog | and old people that drive too slow. |
| 23:13.35 | Lone_Wanderer | And the misalignment of Jupiter. |
| 23:13.42 | beandog | poor Jupe. |
| 23:14.28 | Lone_Wanderer | This morning it wasn't an old person. Just someone in a truck at the DMV that sat in the entrance to the parking lot, waiting for someone to pull out of the first available parking spot |
| 23:14.38 | Lone_Wanderer | even though there were other spots farther in that were open |
| 23:15.06 | beandog | heh |
| 23:15.10 | Lone_Wanderer | So me and two other cars got backed up waiting to go in. And then they didn't just pull in, they backed in, which takes twice as long. |
| 23:15.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Why? WHY? |
| 23:15.15 | beandog | wow, son of suckerfish looks sexy and simple |
| 23:15.25 | Lone_Wanderer | son of suckerfish? |
| 23:15.32 | beandog | http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ |
| 23:15.36 | beandog | I havent tried it yet. |
| 23:16.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Cool. |
| 23:16.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not going to try it today |
| 23:17.06 | Lone_Wanderer | for fear of jynxing suckerfish dropdowns for me for all eternity |
| 23:17.21 | beandog | heh |
| 23:21.28 | PoeticIntensity | but alas.... he cannot. |
| 23:21.37 | PoeticIntensity | adieu. |
| 23:21.41 | mindjuju | cya |
| 23:21.48 | beandog | what entries? |
| 23:21.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I want an SEP field. |
| 23:22.12 | mindjuju | i'll tell you if i'm successful |
| 23:22.45 | beandog | bah. |
| 23:22.59 | beandog | it never selects the last character |
| 23:28.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, forget it. |
| 23:28.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm using tables. |
| 23:28.22 | mindjuju | forget what? |
| 23:28.25 | Lone_Wanderer | CSS for layouts suxorz! |
| 23:28.27 | mindjuju | oak tables? |
| 23:28.40 | mindjuju | giving up on CSS? |
| 23:28.54 | mgeary | yeah. LW, i'm not making any headway here |
| 23:29.04 | mgeary | i would have used a table hours ago :) |
| 23:29.13 | mindjuju | what are ya'll trying to do ? |
| 23:29.37 | Lone_Wanderer | http://dev.codegreene.com/3formhome/material_detail.php - make that |
| 23:29.43 | Lone_Wanderer | into two columns |
| 23:30.10 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: i guess you could *position* the divs, though i normally stay away from such tricks |
| 23:30.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, no thanks. |
| 23:30.21 | mindjuju | k, so just to confirm, the part that says material description is one col, the pics are the other col, right ? |
| 23:31.15 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:32.38 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 23:32.45 | Lone_Wanderer | It's divided into two divs. |
| 23:38.06 | timinator | I'm out... later ladies |
| 23:38.12 | mindjuju | laterz |
| 23:38.48 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer , what's all this JS your running? |
| 23:38.52 | Lone_Wanderer | JS? |
| 23:38.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not aware of any JS. |
| 23:39.12 | mindjuju | <script type="text/javascript"> |
| 23:39.12 | mindjuju | window.onload = function() { |
| 23:39.12 | mindjuju | } |
| 23:39.12 | mindjuju | </script> |
| 23:39.16 | Lone_Wanderer | If Ben's JS is breaking my CSS... |
| 23:39.24 | mindjuju | no, not saying that |
| 23:39.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm going to have to take a five minute time out. |
| 23:39.36 | mindjuju | well, i was looking at your .js file too, though |
| 23:39.45 | mindjuju | yeah, take 5, it'll give me some time to do my mojo |
| 23:42.31 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:49.41 | Lone_Wanderer | back |
| 23:50.45 | mindjuju | i need prolly like 5 ~ 10 more minutes |
| 23:50.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 23:53.54 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl |
| 23:54.10 | Lone_Wanderer | "I bet that half the people in Texas don't even know where Vermont is." |
| 23:54.20 | Lone_Wanderer | "Conservative estimate that. The actual figure is 467 people who live in Texas know where Vermont is. However, all 39 are from Vermont, and the remainder are from other of the 50 states." |
| 23:54.41 | beandog | wouldnt that be 49 |
| 23:55.02 | beandog | since the others cant be from Texas |
| 23:55.13 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm just copying and pasting man. |
| 23:55.18 | beandog | :C |
| 23:55.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Don't get all uppity with your new-fangled "math" thing! |
| 23:55.29 | beandog | heh |
| 23:55.41 | beandog | Three is the Magic Number |
| 23:58.12 | Lone_Wanderer | I need something other than chai that tastes exactly like chai, but that lasts longer. |
