| 00:00.06 | beandog | cat somefile | gzip > foo.gz |
| 00:00.33 | beandog | tar -zcf foo.tar.gz foo/* |
| 00:00.58 | beandog | that is weird though. bzip2 does the same thing. removes the original. |
| 00:01.07 | beandog | I think. |
| 00:01.20 | beandog | yah |
| 00:01.21 | beandog | weird. |
| 00:01.39 | beandog | the cat worked |
| 00:01.43 | beandog | why do that do that? |
| 00:01.44 | beandog | silly gnu. |
| 00:04.27 | thebigdog | tar -xvzf file.tar.gz |
| 00:04.35 | thebigdog | tar -xvjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 00:05.58 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl |
| 00:06.03 | Lone_Wanderer | My friend is in the military. He just IMed me. |
| 00:06.36 | Lone_Wanderer | He works in networking. |
| 00:06.39 | thebigdog | ops i thouht untar and ungzip |
| 00:06.41 | beandog | thebigdog: thats extract not create |
| 00:06.44 | Lone_Wanderer | "What's up?" "Not much, I'm on an op." "Cool. What are you doing? Can you talk about it?" "I'm actually on the help desk." |
| 00:06.49 | thebigdog | beandog, i just realized that |
| 00:06.55 | beandog | ~wake thebigdog |
| 00:07.08 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on thebigdog and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 00:07.09 | beandog | and no need for -v |
| 00:07.09 | beandog | we're men |
| 00:07.09 | beandog | manly men |
| 00:07.10 | thebigdog | i am falling asleep...data modeling sucks |
| 00:07.18 | beandog | ooh I love data modelling |
| 00:08.19 | thebigdog | +1 hibernate |
| 00:09.02 | beandog | gah, my inotify is borken |
| 00:09.23 | thebigdog | oh you use kde....im not sure i can chat with you |
| 00:09.50 | beandog | I use XFCE |
| 00:09.58 | thebigdog | oh ok |
| 00:10.01 | thebigdog | better |
| 00:10.06 | beandog | my editor is Kate |
| 00:10.13 | thebigdog | oh suck |
| 00:10.19 | beandog | sure beats Quanta. |
| 00:10.37 | beandog | Besides, GTK apps are too slow for my quick keystrokes |
| 00:10.37 | thebigdog | i hate quanta and blue turd |
| 00:10.41 | beandog | so I have to use a Qt app |
| 00:10.42 | thebigdog | lol |
| 00:10.50 | thebigdog | sure bean |
| 00:10.50 | beandog | seriously |
| 00:10.54 | beandog | it *always* locks up on keys |
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| 00:11.42 | beandog | mmm, vim |
| 00:11.46 | beandog | I use both, actually |
| 00:11.50 | beandog | I switch between them |
| 00:11.55 | thebigdog | kate is ok i guess |
| 00:12.09 | Lone_Wanderer | kate is hot. |
| 00:12.12 | beandog | gvim is fun, sometimes. |
| 00:12.13 | Lone_Wanderer | (I hope kate is a program.) |
| 00:12.53 | beandog | yes |
| 00:13.13 | thebigdog | i use to use kdeveloper for a while |
| 00:13.28 | beandog | ok, must run or I'll be late |
| 00:13.37 | beandog | see you laters, guys |
| 00:14.34 | Lone_Wanderer | later |
| 00:15.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Same here. |
| 00:16.04 | mgeary | later |
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| 03:02.03 | mindjuju | what the heck! |
| 03:02.18 | mindjuju | you can't do the recursive switch on REN in windows xp! |
| 03:02.36 | mindjuju | how the heck are you suppose to change all the filenames of a tons of files in a ton of subdirectories? |
| 03:04.07 | jsmith | Mount them over Samba/CIFS from a Linux box, and use the Linux box to rename them ;-) |
| 03:06.21 | mindjuju | not a linux box within shouting distance of here |
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| 04:06.41 | burnin | mindjuju, its amazing that MS is too stubborn to realize the value in the open source command line tools which far exceed the limited GUI tools they rely on. You could perhaps write a batch script. :) nite |
| 04:07.35 | burnin | oh, one last thing, I always have to laugh when I watch the Windows gurus at work comparing ini files manually using two instances of notepad.exe, hehe. |
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| 06:32.29 | tierra | mindjuju: cygwin can be your best friend sometimes |
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| 15:03.25 | macnewbold | ~yow |
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| 15:18.49 | thebigdog | oh so quiet panda bear |
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| 15:28.08 | timinator | morning guys |
| 15:28.31 | timinator | I'll be back in a bit |
| 15:29.37 | thebigdog | how many programmers does it take to change a lightbulb? |
| 15:30.49 | thebigdog | ~wake everyone |
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| 15:43.41 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: you around? |
| 15:47.07 | jsmith | thebigdog: i + 1? |
| 15:50.44 | thebigdog | 0 its a hardware problem |
| 15:51.27 | jsmith | Sorry, I was too busy servicing a non-maskable interrupt to laugh |
| 15:51.38 | thebigdog | ~lol |
| 15:51.40 | jbot | i heard lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 15:52.58 | jsmith | My sister-in-law thought that LOL stood for "lots of love" |
| 15:53.13 | thebigdog | oh |
| 15:54.25 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: Yeah, I'm here |
| 15:54.57 | macnewbold | lol can also mean laughing out loud, couldn't it? and therefore be correct in first person? |
| 15:54.59 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: how do you add a 'default' method to a CI controller. And remove the '/index/' url part of a class url part |
| 15:55.08 | macnewbold | as if to imply I am laughing out loud |
| 15:55.15 | dataw0lf | I mean, I want url.com/some_class/1/ where 1 is the argument to the index() method |
| 15:55.26 | dataw0lf | instead of ur.com/some_class/index/1/ |
| 15:55.29 | dataw0lf | url.com* |
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| 16:01.20 | _psychic__ | dataw0lf: notice how our CP80-loving friend not-so-artfully dodged my pointed question? |
| 16:01.35 | dataw0lf | he's dodged all the questions |
| 16:01.39 | dataw0lf | he doesn't even respond to my solution |
| 16:01.47 | dataw0lf | he just keeps yapping about there being no solution |
| 16:06.28 | _psychic__ | yep |
| 16:06.33 | _psychic__ | time to cut him off at the pass |
| 16:07.25 | beandog | eh? |
| 16:08.18 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: any ideas? |
| 16:11.18 | PoeticIntensity | ahh... Utah_Dave, is that *your* blog? |
| 16:24.31 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 16:24.37 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 16:24.46 | PoeticIntensity | By reading Utah_Dave's blog, it becomes apparent to me how ridiculous some people are. |
| 16:24.53 | mindjuju | hey thebigdog |
| 16:25.01 | thebigdog | mornin mindjuju |
| 16:25.03 | PoeticIntensity | It's really amazing to me reading this dude's replies. |
| 16:25.33 | thebigdog | i hate when people use wddx like it was straight xml |
| 16:26.11 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: what blog? |
| 16:26.11 | thebigdog | ~smack PoeticIntensity |
| 16:26.52 | jbot | ACTION smacks PoeticIntensity upside the head. |
| 16:26.56 | dataw0lf | PoeticIntensity: you mean _psychic__'s blog? |
| 16:26.57 | PoeticIntensity | ~lart thebigdog |
| 16:26.57 | jbot | pushes the wall down onto thebigdog whilst whistling innocently |
| 16:26.57 | PoeticIntensity | errrrr.... |
| 16:26.57 | PoeticIntensity | crap. |
| 16:26.57 | PoeticIntensity | johndavidanderson's blog. |
| 16:26.57 | PoeticIntensity | whoever the heck he is. |
| 16:26.57 | thebigdog | ~tunafart PoeticIntensity |
| 16:27.09 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to PoeticIntensity, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 16:27.09 | PoeticIntensity | or she. |
| 16:27.09 | dataw0lf | yea, that's _psychic__ |
| 16:27.10 | PoeticIntensity | crap. |
| 16:27.10 | dataw0lf | a she |
| 16:27.10 | PoeticIntensity | sorry _psychic__ |
| 16:27.10 | PoeticIntensity | man.... I better go back to bed. |
| 16:27.10 | _psychic__ | you're entitled to your opinion |
| 16:27.10 | mindjuju | i was thinking about this next Geek Lunch, with dataw0lf coming in, maybe we should pick a more lively place for eats |
| 16:27.14 | mindjuju | i was thinking maybe The Pie Pizzeria |
| 16:27.21 | PoeticIntensity | oh.... The Pie? |
| 16:27.23 | mindjuju | have anybody here had pizza from there? |
| 16:27.28 | thebigdog | eyah |
| 16:27.29 | _psychic__ | thanks for the constructive criticism, though :) |
| 16:27.29 | PoeticIntensity | I have.... |
| 16:27.32 | thebigdog | parking sucks for them |
| 16:27.32 | mindjuju | yeah, their pizza is crazy good |
| 16:27.36 | dataw0lf | yea, greatest place to eat ever, but I don't really need to drink mindjuju |
| 16:27.37 | mindjuju | oh does it? |
| 16:27.47 | PoeticIntensity | it wasn't all that great to me... |
| 16:27.55 | PoeticIntensity | The Pizza Factory is much better, IMHO. |
| 16:28.16 | PoeticIntensity | _psychic__, I'm talking about this ksmias idiot. |
| 16:28.37 | mindjuju | well, was going to say there is a pie near U of U, and while i don't know wher ethat is right off, i'm pretty sure it's north |
| 16:28.37 | PoeticIntensity | doesn't seem like he can have a rational conversation, debate, argument, etc.... |
| 16:28.41 | _psychic__ | well |
| 16:28.48 | _psychic__ | I think he's related to the chair for CP80 |
| 16:28.52 | _psychic__ | who is also the chair for SCO |
| 16:28.54 | PoeticIntensity | possible. |
| 16:28.58 | PoeticIntensity | oh boy. |
| 16:29.09 | _psychic__ | I think it's Justin Yarro |
| 16:29.13 | _psychic__ | but that's just a hunch |
| 16:29.20 | _psychic__ | It had it out with his brother on another blog |
| 16:29.27 | _psychic__ | who is no less gifted in logic |
| 16:29.39 | PoeticIntensity | it's borderline absurd. |
| 16:30.02 | _psychic__ | no, its distinctly absurd |
| 16:30.15 | _psychic__ | but when you pair that with CP80 and SCO, it makes perfect sense |
| 16:30.17 | PoeticIntensity | "Bbbbbut it might..... uhh..... it's a really good idea! No matter what you guys say!..... BAAAAAAAA WAAAAAHHHHHH" |
| 16:31.02 | _psychic__ | hehe |
| 16:31.29 | PoeticIntensity | actually.... you're right. |
| 16:31.31 | dataw0lf | I want to post his "Mower handlebar-attachable string trimmer wand" patent and say, "now I know all your ideas are ridiculous!" |
| 16:31.54 | PoeticIntensity | LOL,. |
| 16:32.07 | _psychic__ | nah |
| 16:32.08 | PoeticIntensity | that sounds.... uhhh.... kind of .... dangerous. |
| 16:32.10 | _psychic__ | don't feed the troll please |
| 16:32.14 | dataw0lf | yea, I know. |
| 16:32.16 | dataw0lf | Just sayin'. |
| 16:32.37 | PoeticIntensity | gah.... back to work. :-| |
| 16:32.38 | _psychic__ | I can't *fathom* how the Utah legislation passed a resolution supporting CP80 |
| 16:32.51 | _psychic__ | that makes me so scared that people will jump on this not knowing what it is |
| 16:33.04 | PoeticIntensity | of course they will! |
| 16:33.07 | mindjuju | wait, CP80 got passed? |
| 16:33.07 | PoeticIntensity | seriously.... |
| 16:33.10 | _psychic__ | no |
| 16:33.14 | _psychic__ | not passed |
| 16:33.17 | _psychic__ | it was a resolution |
| 16:33.23 | PoeticIntensity | people have no idea about whitelisting.... |
| 16:33.25 | PoeticIntensity | proxies... |
| 16:33.27 | PoeticIntensity | or anything like that. |
| 16:33.34 | PoeticIntensity | this thing will pass with flying colors. |
| 16:33.44 | PoeticIntensity | "Keep your kids free from Internet Porn by allowing us to control it for you!" |
| 16:34.04 | PoeticIntensity | because, quite frankly.... it is a problem. |
| 16:34.06 | PoeticIntensity | we all know it. |
| 16:34.09 | _psychic__ | mindjuju: http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/213120/ |
| 16:34.22 | _psychic__ | hm, that's before he signed it though |
| 16:34.25 | dataw0lf | porn is a PROBLEM? Here I was, thinking it was a solution.... |
| 16:34.26 | PoeticIntensity | the problem is, people have *no* idea what to do about it.... except be good parents and pray they don't go looking for it. |
| 16:34.34 | PoeticIntensity | hehe.... |
| 16:34.53 | PoeticIntensity | I'm 100% sure if my parents saw CP80, they'd vote for it hands-down. |
| 16:35.00 | _psychic__ | that's the problem |
| 16:35.09 | PoeticIntensity | simply because they don't know or care about the implications. |
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| 16:35.17 | PoeticIntensity | etc.... |
| 16:35.18 | _psychic__ | someone slaps "for the children" on a bill, and the masses trip over themselves to support it |
| 16:35.27 | PoeticIntensity | I'm 100% against it.... but I'd be surprised if it didn't get voted in. |
| 16:35.32 | PoeticIntensity | bingo. |
| 16:35.32 | dataw0lf | Americans ain't american anymore. It's a shame. |
| 16:35.52 | dataw0lf | although they will scream for freedom when it suits their best interests. |
| 16:36.08 | dataw0lf | which just shows that they don't understand the definition of 'freedom' |
| 16:36.15 | _psychic__ | Freedom is great when everyone does what I want. mmmmmno. |
| 16:36.17 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: sorry, I got pulled away from my computer. Let me go read what you wrote above |
| 16:36.29 | dataw0lf | k, thanks |
| 16:37.50 | dataw0lf | oh my gosh, money has appeared in my account again |
| 16:37.55 | dataw0lf | 2000 dollars just shows up there |
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| 16:38.10 | macnewbold | oh, sorry about that dataw0lf, that was mine |
| 16:38.16 | macnewbold | must have put it in the wrong acct by accident |
| 16:38.24 | macnewbold | msg me and I'll give you the details to send it back |
| 16:38.26 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 16:38.27 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 16:38.32 | dataw0lf | I mean, 2 dollars |
| 16:38.35 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 16:38.36 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 16:38.41 | macnewbold | oh, that must be mindjuju's |
| 16:38.44 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 16:38.45 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 16:39.11 | dataw0lf | ah, nevermind I remember what this is from now |
| 16:39.16 | dataw0lf | took a while to get the money |
| 16:39.49 | _psychic__ | visual basic freelance job? |
| 16:40.02 | dataw0lf | it'd be 200,000 then |
| 16:40.10 | dataw0lf | cuz I wouldn't do it for a penny less |
| 16:41.42 | _psychic__ | :) |
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| 16:42.31 | dataw0lf | for 200k I'd use bash to write a HTTP server with CGI capabilities |
| 16:42.48 | _psychic_ | eww. |
| 16:42.58 | dataw0lf | exactly |
| 16:43.03 | dataw0lf | there isn't much I wouldn't do for 200k |
| 16:43.20 | dataw0lf | I DID join the Army for much, much less, y'know |
| 16:43.39 | _psychic_ | money's not the only reward there, hopes I |
| 16:44.00 | Lone_Away | Meanwhile I'll be somewhere where my presence can be rigorously verified. |
| 16:44.08 | dataw0lf | no, no, now I get to argue with Iraqi war supporters from a pedestal. Worth much more than money. |
| 16:44.18 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 16:44.23 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 16:44.32 | _psychic_ | I suppose that's funny and really not funny all at once. :/ |
| 16:44.35 | Lone_Away | So true :p |
| 16:44.48 | Lone_Away | _psychic_: Is ksmias still going on in your blog? |
| 16:44.53 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 16:44.56 | Lone_Away | Great. |
| 16:45.03 | Lone_Away | Can you give me the link again? I thougth he was finished. |
| 16:45.12 | _psychic_ | http://smallplates.johndavidanderson.net/2007/03/20/why-cp80-wont-work/ |
| 16:45.24 | _psychic_ | he's got a spin the bottle widget for fallacies |
| 16:45.31 | dataw0lf | ha |
| 16:45.43 | dataw0lf | LW: hope you're ready for partaying next weekend. |
| 16:45.43 | Lone_Away | I should write one of those. |
| 16:45.44 | dataw0lf | SIR! |
| 16:45.56 | Lone_Away | Sure, I can partay next weekend. |
| 16:45.56 | _psychic_ | ooh lookie! Bandwagon! |
| 16:46.03 | Lone_Away | Is it Hack the Desert, or something else? |
| 16:46.06 | _psychic_ | I'm hoping for broad generalization next! |
| 16:46.08 | dataw0lf | something else |
| 16:46.20 | dataw0lf | I'm visiting Friday morning to Monday night next weekend. |
| 16:46.43 | Lone_Away | k coool |
| 16:46.44 | Lone_Away | -o |
| 16:47.28 | Lone_Away | Can someone look at http://dev.codegreene.com/3formhome/products.php and tell me why the top row of "image placeholder"s has a space beneath it? |
| 16:49.24 | Lone_Away | I wonder if it's because I'm repositioning it by -30 px at the top. I bet that's exactly it. |
| 16:49.53 | Utah_Dave | OK, dataw0lf. I think I have your answer, but I don't have the exact implementation |
| 16:50.10 | Utah_Dave | I think you need to set up a routing rule |
| 16:50.11 | Utah_Dave | http://codeigniter.com/user_guide/general/routing.html |
| 16:50.35 | Utah_Dave | I haven't had a need to do this yet, so I'm not sure exactly how it works. |
| 16:51.10 | dataw0lf | Got it |
| 16:51.12 | dataw0lf | danke Dave |
| 16:52.07 | Utah_Dave | no problem. I wish I could tell you exactly how to do it, but I haven't used routes yet |
| 16:52.21 | Utah_Dave | PoeticIntensity: I don't have a blog. could you send me a link to my imposter? |
| 16:53.09 | PoeticIntensity | Utah_Dave, sorry, man.... I thought it was your blog. |
| 16:53.25 | PoeticIntensity | and since nobody replied for like..... 10 WHOLE MINUTES, I was convinced it was. |
| 16:53.28 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 16:53.34 | PoeticIntensity | sorry, man. |
| 16:53.39 | PoeticIntensity | I'll go cut my hand off or something. |
| 16:55.20 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: hm, yea I see how it works, but I still have a question, I'll hit up #ci |
| 16:59.41 | Lone_Away | I've got a good knife you can use PI. |
| 16:59.46 | Lone_Away | I'll bring it to the next geek lunch. |
| 17:00.06 | Lone_Away | dataw0lf: I think that next week, I'm going to put in an extra hour a day, so I can take off after lunch on Friday. |
| 17:00.15 | Lone_Away | If you're going to have a drinking contest, you'll need a designated driver. |
| 17:00.30 | dataw0lf | dude, I got taxi money, why don't you PARTICIPATE |
| 17:00.39 | Lone_Away | Hmmm. |
| 17:00.51 | dataw0lf | this contest will probably encompass most of friday, well into Saturday morning |
| 17:00.52 | _psychic_ | http://www.jibjab.com/what_we_call_the_news lol |
| 17:01.15 | beandog | bah |
| 17:01.16 | Lone_Away | Let us discuss the logistics sometime. |
| 17:01.20 | beandog | you guys talk too much while Im gone. |
| 17:01.23 | beandog | jerks. |
| 17:01.32 | dataw0lf | I'm planning on blacking out around 10pm Friday, and getting a saline IV drip from someone so I can continue |
| 17:01.48 | beandog | http://peteashdown.org/journal/2007/03/15/find-the-porn/ |
| 17:02.33 | _psychic_ | yay pete |
| 17:03.07 | dataw0lf | Pete Rocks |
| 17:04.15 | Utah_Dave | man, I'm reading _psychic_'s blog. I didn't realize how idiotic CP80 is. |
| 17:04.22 | beandog | _psychic_: wheres your blog? |
| 17:04.27 | _psychic_ | my purpose has been fulfilled |
| 17:04.31 | beandog | apparently Im the only one w/o a link. |
| 17:04.52 | _psychic_ | you have to subscribe |
| 17:04.55 | _psychic_ | $20 please. |
| 17:04.58 | Utah_Dave | I don't know how anybody who is remotely familiar with how the internet works can think that CP80 will work |
| 17:05.00 | Lone_Away | http://smallplates.johndavidanderson.net/2007/03/20/why-cp80-wont-work/ |
| 17:05.07 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 17:05.13 | beandog | Utah_Dave: thats the whole point. |
| 17:05.16 | Utah_Dave | and somehow a bunch of morons found your blog |
| 17:05.36 | beandog | Its the people who know the least who are writing legislation. |
| 17:05.41 | macnewbold | what do you mean somehow... that's who reads it normally... |
| 17:05.59 | macnewbold | s/hids/hides/ |
| 17:06.03 | beandog | heh |
| 17:07.24 | _psychic_ | or something similar |
| 17:07.49 | dataw0lf | how about cp80cankissmylilywhitearse.org |
| 17:08.45 | Lone_Away | _psychic_: Geeks Against Porn (or some other similar nice-sounding name) |
| 17:08.55 | Lone_Away | Maybe Geeks Against Porn Addiction |
| 17:09.15 | _psychic_ | yeah |
| 17:09.19 | Lone_Away | it's a non-profit I'm thinking of starting that provides reliable information about how to keep porn away from your kids |
| 17:09.22 | _psychic_ | though it should be more than just geeks |
| 17:09.24 | Lone_Away | and yourself if you choose not to view it |
| 17:09.26 | _psychic_ | any geek can see it's stupid |
| 17:09.42 | Lone_Away | well, the point is that it brings a technologically savvy viewpoint to the discussion |
| 17:10.15 | beandog | "Civil penelties worked for the FAX law just fine. And could work for the internet, CP80 is suggesting a similar tac." |
| 17:10.16 | Lone_Away | And with a name like Geeks Against Porn, we can say things like "CP80 is a bad idea" and people won't think we're a pro-porn sock puppet. |
| 17:10.35 | dataw0lf | your political machinations surprise me, LW |
| 17:10.47 | beandog | "Is there a group that deals with social policy for the Internet? If not there should be." |
| 17:11.05 | Lone_Away | why, dw? |
| 17:11.18 | dataw0lf | I dunno. I'm easily surprised. |
| 17:11.31 | _psychic_ | Lone_Away: true |
| 17:11.36 | Lone_Away | All I did is read the names of a few bills and then read what they really mean, and the true path became clear. |
| 17:11.49 | Lone_Away | You just give something a name that people will love, then have it do something different. |
| 17:12.13 | beandog | very simple really -- you can't use technology (alone) to solve social problems |
| 17:12.21 | beandog | social problems require social solutions |
| 17:12.26 | Lone_Away | Want to revoke civil liberties and give power to the president? Hmm, people want to be patriots. Let's call it the Patriot Act. |
| 17:12.32 | Lone_Away | Exactly. |
| 17:12.43 | _psychic_ | the MCA is pretty awesome, too |
| 17:12.43 | dataw0lf | responsible social solutions |
| 17:12.50 | dataw0lf | meaning, the responsibility lies within the citizen. |
| 17:12.50 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: agreed |
| 17:13.01 | beandog | Lone_Away: heh, I like your comment |
| 17:13.02 | _psychic_ | responsibility to freedom |
| 17:13.10 | Utah_Dave | _psychic_: you should put a filter on your blog comments. If somebody can't write a short blog comment with fewer than 15 grammatical and spelling errors then their comment doesn't get posted |
| 17:13.14 | dataw0lf | our primary responsibility as Americans |
| 17:13.33 | Lone_Away | beandog: which one? |
| 17:13.38 | _psychic_ | Utah_Dave: yeah... it was extremely hard not to point out his lack of command of the language |
| 17:13.57 | _psychic_ | Utah_Dave: I think the foam from his mouth was causing malfuctions though, so he can't truly be blamed. |
| 17:14.09 | Utah_Dave | Everybody makes spelling mistakes, but... |
| 17:14.13 | Lone_Away | _psychic_: Same here, I was always tempted to point out his spelling errors, but I didn't want to turn into an Ad Hominemite. |
| 17:14.29 | beandog | Lone_Away: first one |
| 17:14.32 | dataw0lf | pointing out spelling errors != Ad Hominemite |
| 17:14.41 | _psychic_ | why not? |
| 17:14.51 | _psychic_ | good ideas are to be had in bad grammar |
| 17:14.55 | Lone_Away | It depends on how you do it. "You can't even spell and you think you can solve the porn problem?" is. |
| 17:14.59 | dataw0lf | I mean, how can you take anyone seriously if they can't speak nor write the English language. |
| 17:15.15 | _psychic_ | yeah like Socrates |
| 17:15.19 | _psychic_ | what a retard |
| 17:15.21 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 17:15.28 | dataw0lf | I imediatly ignor ppl who cannt spel |
| 17:15.30 | Lone_Away | But *addressing their point*, followed by "By the way, it's spelled (whatever)." is not. |
| 17:16.04 | beandog | oy |
| 17:16.45 | beandog | meh. |
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| 17:18.21 | dataw0lf | We've become institutionalized. Since we take all of freedoms for granted, we have no problem giving them away. |
| 17:18.23 | thebigdog | wow that is the first time i have seen a requirement for typing speed in a php job announcement |
| 17:18.26 | dataw0lf | of our* |
| 17:18.43 | dataw0lf | what's the requirement? |
| 17:18.53 | jsmith | 180 functions per minutes |
| 17:19.00 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 17:19.01 | thebigdog | lol |
| 17:19.01 | beandog | heh |
| 17:19.11 | dataw0lf | ever been on a job where they try to require lines per day? |
| 17:19.15 | thebigdog | type atleast 60 wpm |
| 17:19.37 | thebigdog | ok, not sure how many words i type but it is a lot if i do >= |
| 17:19.54 | dataw0lf | I'm around 85-90 with 99.9% accuracy. |
| 17:19.56 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Been there, done that... what a mess |
| 17:19.56 | beandog | oy |
| 17:20.01 | beandog | those comments give me a headache |
| 17:20.08 | dataw0lf | jsmith: ridiculous. |
| 17:20.36 | Lone_Away | The only requirement is lines per day? |
| 17:20.41 | Lone_Away | I could meet that no problem. |
| 17:20.50 | dataw0lf | you have to fill a line quota per day |
| 17:20.55 | Lone_Away | Regardless of how high they set the bar. |
| 17:20.56 | dataw0lf | on whatever project you're working on |
| 17:21.10 | macnewbold | right, just hold down the enter key for a while... |
| 17:21.22 | macnewbold | then go back and fill in detalis after you've met your lines quota |
| 17:21.28 | Lone_Away | My line-generating algorithm might take slightly longer for absurdly high requirements, but that's no big deal. |
| 17:21.40 | dataw0lf | it seems to me to make a MAXIMUM lines per day would make more sense. |
| 17:22.06 | Lone_Away | macnewbold: It's probably significant lines of code, so blank lines and comments aren't counted. |
| 17:22.07 | _psychic_ | no joke |
| 17:22.08 | thebigdog | hehe i format with extra spacing |
| 17:22.18 | dataw0lf | I've had maximum lines per function on several jobs |
| 17:22.20 | Lone_Away | But still, you could insert a lot of things that are basically no-ops. |
| 17:22.25 | dataw0lf | that's different though |
| 17:22.41 | Lone_Away | $str = trim($str); after every time it's changed, for example. |
| 17:23.43 | thebigdog | mom...all i want is a pepsi...and she wouldnt give it to me |
| 17:26.40 | Lone_Work | The 60wpm requirement seems superfluous to me. |
| 17:27.01 | Lone_Work | Any programmer is going to be able to type just fine. |
| 17:27.05 | Utah_Dave | _psychic_: my head hurts from reading all those comments. |
| 17:27.09 | thebigdog | y |
| 17:27.20 | _psychic_ | Utah_Dave: it really wore me out :( |
| 17:28.10 | thebigdog | my fav - salary dependent on how good you are |
| 17:28.46 | Lone_Work | Isn't that standard? |
| 17:29.05 | thebigdog | wps you letting those through |
| 17:29.20 | wps | no way to control that one |
| 17:29.24 | wps | he posted it to the general list |
| 17:29.26 | thebigdog | oh |
| 17:29.32 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 17:30.07 | thebigdog | if i did one i would put - opportunity to contribute to more cash in my pocket |
| 17:31.05 | Lone_Work | ugh, I hate center tags |
| 17:31.39 | Lone_Work | ~lart fake separation of markup from presentation from logic from other stuff |
| 17:31.39 | jbot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in fake separation of markup from presentation from logic from other stuff's direction, hitting fake separation of markup from presentation from logic from other stuff and sending fake separation of markup from presentation from logic from other stuff flying into the closet |
| 17:32.22 | Lone_Work | Wow, I won the "meaningless repetition" lottery on that one. |
| 17:32.32 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 17:32.57 | macnewbold | I think that's the longest lart I've seeen |
| 17:33.07 | macnewbold | and that's the longest seen I've seen in a while too |
| 17:33.23 | Lone_Work | :D |
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| 17:53.47 | Lone_Work | Who is Pete Ashdown? |
| 17:54.08 | Lone_Work | I've heard the name. I just don't know what he does for a living. |
| 17:54.12 | dataw0lf | founder of XMission, ran for the Utah Senate under a Democratic ticket. |
| 17:54.23 | dataw0lf | or, rather, as a Utah Senator |
| 17:54.27 | Lone_Work | oh cool |
| 17:54.40 | Lone_Work | no wonder XMission is so good. |
| 17:54.47 | Lone_Work | Did he win? |
| 17:55.26 | timinator | if he did, why didn't he force Ogden to accept Utopia?!?! |
| 17:55.34 | dataw0lf | didn't get the nomination, don't think. |
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| 18:14.49 | dataw0lf | seant23: "Right and wrong are just words, what matters is what you do." Right?! |
| 18:15.10 | Lone_Work | Sean's Testament, Chapter 2, Verse 3? |
| 18:15.21 | dataw0lf | Naw. Futurama. |
| 18:15.27 | dataw0lf | I'm just messing with his head. |
| 18:15.45 | Lone_Work | I hate CSS. Why does float have to mess things up? |
| 18:15.49 | Lone_Work | I just want my boxes all in a row. |
| 18:15.58 | Lone_Work | With a line up top and a picture down below. |
| 18:16.28 | dataw0lf | Lone_Work: So you can make money and won't be po' ? |
| 18:16.45 | Lone_Work | heh, yeah. |
| 18:17.05 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 18:17.11 | Lone_Work | Okay, table it is. |
| 18:19.28 | dataw0lf | your use of tables actually kicked _psychic_ off of the internet. |
| 18:19.37 | Lone_Work | rofl |
| 18:19.49 | Lone_Work | Wow look at that. |
| 18:19.59 | Lone_Work | It does exactly what I wanted it to do, the first time, with no hacks. |
| 18:22.53 | dataw0lf | oh boy |
| 18:22.59 | dataw0lf | harm cracks me up. |
| 18:24.52 | dataw0lf | yesssss, the second half will not be accompanying me to SLC |
| 18:25.32 | dataw0lf | this means she won't drag me out of Utah by my ear if I, say, drink a fifth of whiskey in 30 minutes. |
| 18:28.16 | Lone_Work | Which CSS thingie do I use to make a tr have some spacing below itself? |
| 18:28.56 | Lone_Work | 'cause normal margins don't work do they? |
| 18:30.11 | dataw0lf | would padding work for your purpose? |
| 18:30.29 | dataw0lf | or.. what is it, border-spacing? |
| 18:30.30 | Lone_Work | No, I need whitespace (the cells are colored) |
| 18:30.58 | Lone_Work | I suppose I could slap a border-bottom of a few px on it. |
| 18:31.10 | Lone_Work | But that's not really "correct". |
| 18:31.13 | Lone_Work | Oh well, worry about it later. |
| 18:31.19 | dataw0lf | border-spacing, not border |
| 18:31.39 | dataw0lf | border-spacing specifies the distance between cells/rows |
| 18:31.41 | Lone_Work | That puts it on all borders, innit? |
| 18:31.49 | Lone_Work | And I just want it on the bottom. |
| 18:32.15 | dataw0lf | no, I think you can do border-spacing: u r d l (could be wrong though) |
| 18:32.31 | Lone_Work | My cheat sheet doesn't indicate that it works like that. |
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| 18:37.07 | brasto | hi yawl |
| 18:37.12 | dataw0lf | sup yo |
| 18:37.14 | Lone_Work | hi |
| 18:38.20 | brasto | the realtor person i'm doing a website for... i never realized what a pain it can be to do something for someone who has done his own all-static websites... |
| 18:38.42 | brasto | he doesn't think like a database |
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| 18:38.57 | dataw0lf | I sure wish my database would think |
| 18:39.27 | brasto | lol, i mean every single page he wants looking almost completely different |
| 18:40.11 | brasto | no left navigation, no right navigation |
| 18:40.33 | brasto | some pages have two columns, some three, some one |
| 18:41.46 | dataw0lf | I, for one, welcome our new SkyNet PostgreSQL overlords. |
| 18:42.46 | burnin | DELETE FROM earth WHERE entity LIKE 'human'; |
| 18:42.59 | dataw0lf | Thank god I'm nothing LIKE a human. |
| 18:43.05 | burnin | :) |
| 18:43.10 | brasto | lol |
| 18:45.38 | brasto | or, if you take the borg approach: UPDATE * FROM earth WHERE lifeform = 'terran' SET lifeform = 'borg'; |
| 18:45.59 | brasto | ~wake timinator |
| 18:46.01 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on timinator and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 18:46.54 | timinator | I'M AWAKE.... I'M AWAKE |
| 18:47.15 | brasto | lol. like my SQL statement? |
| 18:47.34 | timinator | LOL |
| 18:47.56 | timinator | brasto: you've got a tad too much time on your hands |
| 18:48.26 | timinator | :) |
| 18:48.50 | brasto | actually, not enough, so i rebel and take a little free time with uphpu from time-to-time just to get away |
| 18:49.14 | timinator | how's your new gig working for ya then? |
| 18:50.10 | brasto | i sold him on the idea of using Drupal to build a database-driven site |
| 18:50.27 | brasto | he really liked the things we could do |
| 18:50.47 | brasto | but now he wants to make every page look like his static pages |
| 18:51.10 | brasto | and each page looks the exact same |
| 18:51.15 | brasto | oops |
| 18:51.23 | brasto | i mean the exact opposite... |
| 18:51.47 | brasto | no, similarity in layout in some cases |
| 18:52.14 | brasto | he doesn't see the advantages of a cms because he's written his own sites with Frontpage |
| 18:52.47 | _psychic_ | I think there's a hint of truth in that |
| 18:53.41 | Lone_Work | OMG |
| 18:53.47 | Lone_Work | He actually said "N word please." |
| 18:54.03 | brasto | _psychic_ what do you mean? |
| 18:54.41 | _psychic_ | brasto: I think CMSs are only good as training wheels. If the client just knows even menial HTML, CMSs become less necessary. |
| 18:54.53 | _psychic_ | Lone_Work: :) |
| 18:56.47 | _psychic_ | brasto: and the more they get involved with the web, the more they want to change |
| 18:56.53 | _psychic_ | and the more *hindering* a CMS becomes |
| 18:56.54 | brasto | _psychic_, right, except he's never used a database. All his pages are static. A CMS can get him a database-driven website quickly. |
| 18:57.34 | _psychic_ | What's the point of db-driven, if he can make changes he wants already? I can see the need if you're outputting to RSS or something similar.... |
| 18:57.59 | _psychic_ | Any client I've helped online with a CMS has been ultimately unsatisfied with it in the long run. |
| 18:58.11 | _psychic_ | $0.02 |
| 18:58.13 | brasto | he expects thousands of hits |
| 18:58.22 | _psychic_ | db-driven will only slow it down then |
| 18:58.26 | _psychic_ | static is waaaay faster |
| 18:58.42 | brasto | and with video |
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| 18:59.43 | brasto | i guess my problem is this: I sold my services for $500. I planned to spend a few hours putting his site into a CMS and make good money. Now he changes everything, and to get what he wants, I'll have to write individual php files for every page he wants. |
| 19:00.26 | _psychic_ | shoulda defined "services" a little more clearly from the get go, sounds like. :/ |
| 19:00.43 | _psychic_ | And I don't allow people to change things after they've been planned, either. |
| 19:00.50 | brasto | If I'm lucky, I might make $5/hour... Last time I made that was in high school... |
| 19:01.03 | brasto | _psychic_, you're right |
| 19:01.09 | _psychic_ | Its not unreasonable to renegotiate |
| 19:01.16 | brasto | I learned my first big lesson in defining my terms... |
| 19:02.11 | dataw0lf | gotta have that contract in stone before you touch any code |
| 19:02.24 | _psychic_ | (but always, always, work in iterations) |
| 19:02.54 | dataw0lf | since I don't do much web dev contract stuff, I don't know about that, but even sec or network consulting I'll define EXACTLY what they want, operations, results, etc. |
| 19:03.26 | dataw0lf | "but I don't see a penetration report on THIS machine!" "uh... that machine is locate 500 miles away via a VPN, I was hired for THIS network." |
| 19:04.15 | brasto | iterations... so: foreach($services as $service) { $charge}... |
| 19:04.31 | dataw0lf | the management usually wants to talk to you, but I try to proxy through their own IT team as soon as possible. |
| 19:05.04 | dataw0lf | because, I know how to talk to management, but each manager has their own way of talking. It's good to just talk through a tech person who knows the guy(s)/girl(s) in charge and their way of speaking |
| 19:05.12 | dataw0lf | brasto: more likely stages of development |
| 19:07.37 | brasto | foreach($development as $stage) { // evaluate, renegotiate }... |
| 19:08.14 | _psychic_ | brasto: while($interface->isNotApprovedByClient()) {$this->billTime(); $this->workOnIt();} |
| 19:08.50 | _psychic_ | once an interface is approved, build the back end out |
| 19:08.58 | _psychic_ | and lock it down |
| 19:12.34 | brasto | /brasto likes communicating in programming languages |
| 19:12.39 | brasto | doh! |
| 19:12.58 | brasto | s/brasto/me |
| 19:15.05 | brasto | sweet! http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/03/prweb508436.htm |
| 19:15.23 | brasto | or, should i say "suite"... |
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| 19:35.41 | brasto | ok, i've given it some thought, and I'll renegotiate or offer a full refund and cut my losses. thank you dataw0lf and _psychic_. i thought that's where i was headed, and you've each helped reaffirm it. can someone pass my gratitude to _psychic_ since he's away? Gotta go. |
| 19:37.44 | dataw0lf | will do. |
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| 19:39.32 | kajigga | whois macnewbold |
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| 19:46.55 | mindjuju | anybody know where i can get some quality stock video footage for cheap? |
| 19:47.24 | jsmith | What, can't find what you're looking for on YouTube?!? |
| 19:47.39 | mindjuju | heh, yeah |
| 19:47.48 | mindjuju | need to be able to use commercially though |
| 19:48.39 | mindjuju | i need some of the standard stuff, business(wo)man walking, shaking hands, etc |
| 19:48.52 | mindjuju | doesn't really matter gender |
| 19:48.54 | bigdog_ut | dataw0lf can do that |
| 19:49.37 | mindjuju | you mean dataw0lf has stock video or dataw0lf can be my actor |
| 19:50.01 | bigdog_ut | your actor |
| 19:50.25 | dataw0lf | I only have one experience as an actor, and that was straight to video |
| 19:50.40 | mindjuju | heh |
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| 19:50.44 | mindjuju | what was it rated? |
| 19:50.50 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 19:50.51 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 19:50.53 | dataw0lf | X |
| 19:53.16 | brasto | _psychic_, a bit ago I said this: ok, i've given it some thought, and I'll renegotiate or offer a full refund and cut my losses. thank you dataw0lf and _psychic_. i thought that's where i was headed, and you've each helped reaffirm it. can someone pass my gratitude to _psychic_ since he's away? Gotta go. |
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| 20:07.20 | mgeary | hi gang |
| 20:08.59 | bigdog_ut | ~wave mgeary |
| 20:09.08 | jbot | Bye, mgeary |
| 20:09.16 | mgeary | oh sure |
| 20:11.04 | dataw0lf | just leave! |
| 20:21.12 | mindjuju | chicka chicka bow bow -- chicka chicka bow bow -- chicka chicka bow bow |
| 20:21.57 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 20:22.34 | mindjuju | all i need to do is mix in a bass beat, put in some soundbytes from a movie and add some synth and i'll have an awesome song with thebigdog 's voic |
| 20:22.37 | mindjuju | voice |
| 20:22.44 | bigdog_ut | have at it |
| 20:31.03 | Lone_Work | mindjuju: What program would you use to do that? |
| 20:31.30 | Lone_Work | Also, use The Princess Bride for your movie quote source. |
| 20:38.14 | mindjuju | sorry, stepped away for a sec, Lone_Work, i'd prolly use fruity loops |
| 20:38.36 | mindjuju | but i don't really mix, i have friends that do, but i don't |
| 20:38.38 | Lone_Work | i've been looking for a program to remix stuff |
| 20:38.38 | bigdog_ut | who let the dog out?... |
| 20:38.45 | Lone_Work | just for fun |
| 20:39.01 | mindjuju | fruityloops is really good and it wasn't actually to hard to play with |
| 20:39.02 | Lone_Work | Okay, the way that Emacs handles encoding is a pain. |
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| 22:06.34 | Lone_Work | Okay I read the man page |
| 22:06.37 | Lone_Work | and it's not helping |
| 22:06.48 | Lone_Work | does ln take the real file first, or the symlink? |
| 22:09.04 | dataw0lf | ln <real file> <sym link> |
| 22:10.26 | Lone_Work | thanks |
| 22:10.41 | dataw0lf | yar |
| 22:14.26 | fungus | ln works just like mv and cp |
| 22:15.49 | fungus | <command> <source> <destination> |
| 22:37.39 | Lone_Work | ahh, I see |
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| 22:49.44 | Lone_Work | Cute girl at Starbucks. I need to work on my pickup skillz. |
| 22:53.27 | dataw0lf | ten minutes with me, my friend, ten minutes with me. I have the pickup skills as granted from Satan himself (since I have evil intentions) |
| 22:53.40 | Lone_Work | Yes, but can you teach them? |
| 22:53.52 | dataw0lf | yes, grasshopper, I can teach them. |
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| 22:59.19 | khansen | nick |
| 22:59.29 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 22:59.41 | dataw0lf | he always screws up a command then leaves immediately, like he's embarrassed |
| 23:00.30 | wps | :) |
| 23:00.31 | Lone_Work | Who is he? |
| 23:02.18 | dataw0lf | he's in #utahpython too |
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| 23:10.03 | dataw0lf | "Boy, I tell you, politics does make for strange bedfellows. Saddam Hussein says in this quote, 'We have nothing against America. We just want to see George Bush beheaded and his head kicked down the street like a soccer ball.' And I was thinking, that's so weird, 'cos... that's what I wanted to see. Wow, me and Hussein, we're like this. Who woulda thunk it?" - Bill Hicks |
| 23:10.12 | dataw0lf | I'm sorry, but, man, I really, really love Bill Hicks. |
| 23:10.35 | dataw0lf | I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but there was something really suspicious about that guy's death. |
| 23:10.54 | Lone_Work | whose death? |
| 23:10.56 | Lone_Work | Oh, Hicks? |
| 23:10.59 | dataw0lf | Bill Hicks man |
| 23:11.04 | dataw0lf | greatest comedian ever |
| 23:11.05 | Lone_Work | How did he die? |
| 23:11.11 | dataw0lf | 'pancreatic cancer' |
| 23:11.21 | dataw0lf | yea, he found out about it 2 months before his death |
| 23:11.25 | dataw0lf | two months before his death? |
| 23:11.40 | Lone_Work | Was he the guy who was found in a hotel he'd never been to in a state he didn't live in, when he didn't have travel plans... |
| 23:11.41 | Lone_Work | okay maybe not |
| 23:12.23 | dataw0lf | a lot of people want to have his body exumed because he exhibited extremely similar signs to radiation poisoning after his death, according to many doctors, but the family doesn't want it exhumed. |
| 23:12.42 | dataw0lf | radioactive poisoning symptoms != pancreatic cancer symptoms, y'know? |
| 23:15.04 | dataw0lf | "God put [dinosaur fossils] here to test our faith!"... I think God put you here to test my faith, dude." - Bill Hicks |
| 23:15.07 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 23:15.33 | dataw0lf | "You ever notice how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved?" - Bill Hicks |
| 23:15.46 | dataw0lf | as he described himself "Chomsky with d*ck jokes" |
| 23:15.47 | dataw0lf | so true |
| 23:17.02 | Lone_Work | rofl |
| 23:17.44 | dataw0lf | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Hicks |
| 23:17.47 | dataw0lf | just read that |
| 23:17.54 | dataw0lf | man that guy was awesome. |
| 23:18.22 | dataw0lf | "I actually did that act one night in the south. Then, after the show, these three rednecks came up to me. "Hey, buddy! We're Christians and we didn't like what you said." I said, "Then forgive me." Later on, when I was hanging from the tree ." |
| 23:21.27 | Lone_Work | http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&saddr=Stanford,+California,+United+States&daddr=KTH-hallen,+Stockholm,+Sweden&ie=UTF8&sll=44.590467,-45.351562&sspn=72.777899,141.328125&z=3&ll=48.341646,-52.207031&spn=69.041077,141.328125&om=1&layer=t |
| 23:21.40 | Lone_Work | Directions from CA to Sweden |
| 23:21.56 | Lone_Work | (#33 is the step you're looking for) |
| 23:24.46 | dataw0lf | hahahahaha! |
| 23:24.48 | dataw0lf | awesome |
| 23:32.42 | Lone_Work | Ugh. |
| 23:33.09 | thebigdog | dataw0lf's joke: "God put [dinosaur fossils] here to test our faith!"... I think God put you here to test my faith, dude. |
| 23:35.12 | PoeticIntensity | beautiful! |
| 23:35.18 | PoeticIntensity | Lone_Work, *great* link... |
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