| 00:00.11 | beandog | mindjuju: my eyes! |
| 00:00.15 | beandog | poor guy :( |
| 00:03.23 | thebigdog | oh the joys of being a windows sys admin |
| 00:03.36 | dataw0lf | 'joys' and 'windows' |
| 00:03.45 | thebigdog | i think im getting fired |
| 00:03.46 | dataw0lf | jeez, talk about disparate words |
| 00:03.53 | dataw0lf | you need a job? |
| 00:04.04 | dataw0lf | Java and/or PHP |
| 00:04.08 | dataw0lf | you know I got your back, dude |
| 00:04.16 | thebigdog | i added a startup mp3 of me signing to my hr ladies computer |
| 00:04.26 | thebigdog | dataw0lf oh i know |
| 00:04.37 | thebigdog | s/signing/singing |
| 00:04.43 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 00:04.51 | dataw0lf | that's awesome |
| 00:04.59 | thebigdog | yeah it is my rendition of porn music |
| 00:05.09 | dataw0lf | hahahaha |
| 00:05.11 | dataw0lf | awesome |
| 00:05.35 | thebigdog | yeah...its going to be great when she come in thursday and logs into her computer |
| 00:05.50 | thebigdog | i think tomorrow i will get the pres of the company and get a whammy |
| 00:05.57 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 00:06.23 | thebigdog | im going to put that mp3 up on my server |
| 00:06.34 | dataw0lf | http://www.cytiva.com/qnst/Detail_qnst.asp?qnst1064 if you do get fired, right there dude. May be Cali, but they pay well. |
| 00:07.09 | thebigdog | that looks like a nice job |
| 00:07.33 | dataw0lf | hey, working with me, what could go wrong? |
| 00:07.34 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 00:07.35 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 00:07.44 | thebigdog | too much fun |
| 00:07.49 | thebigdog | could you imagine |
| 00:08.06 | thebigdog | you drunk and me acting drunk...that would be hilarous |
| 00:08.14 | dataw0lf | me and you together in a corporate environ? It'd be pure chaos. |
| 00:08.49 | thebigdog | no doubt |
| 00:08.53 | dataw0lf | sir! me drunk? never! |
| 00:08.54 | thebigdog | everyone ready |
| 00:08.55 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 00:08.55 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 00:09.00 | thebigdog | ~cheer thebigdog |
| 00:09.05 | jbot | Three cheers for thebigdog! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! Hip hip Hurray! |
| 00:09.18 | thebigdog | http://thebigdog.biz/bigdog.mp3 |
| 00:09.23 | thebigdog | there is the song |
| 00:09.39 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 00:10.38 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: you don't have a blog do you? I'm adding people to my site as friends |
| 00:10.44 | thebigdog | no |
| 00:10.49 | dataw0lf | you wuss |
| 00:10.54 | thebigdog | i know |
| 00:11.47 | thebigdog | i need to get one |
| 00:11.51 | thebigdog | im terrible |
| 00:12.12 | thebigdog | i cant wait to get the boss with that startup mp3 |
| 00:12.38 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 00:13.00 | thebigdog | oh |
| 00:13.03 | dataw0lf | yea amore4you you go girl |
| 00:13.37 | mindjuju | do you really think your getting the boot, thebigdog ? |
| 00:13.46 | thebigdog | did you hear that mp3 |
| 00:13.54 | mindjuju | yeah, just downloaded it |
| 00:14.00 | mindjuju | i'm going to mix it into some techno |
| 00:14.00 | dataw0lf | downloadin' 'er |
| 00:14.07 | thebigdog | sweet |
| 00:14.54 | dataw0lf | who else here has a blog |
| 00:14.57 | dataw0lf | mindjuju, you got a blog? |
| 00:15.00 | dataw0lf | I know you hate me. |
| 00:15.03 | dataw0lf | but you're still my friend |
| 00:15.05 | mindjuju | heh |
| 00:15.13 | mindjuju | i do have one but i've neglected it |
| 00:15.24 | mindjuju | but, also, I'd never admit that it is my blog |
| 00:15.32 | mindjuju | so it doesn't have my name anywhere on it |
| 00:15.39 | mindjuju | don't really care if people read it or not |
| 00:15.49 | mindjuju | just commentary on news that I see |
| 00:15.50 | dataw0lf | well why don't you give me the URL so I can add it to my site, fool |
| 00:16.02 | mindjuju | can't do that, it's top secret |
| 00:16.06 | dataw0lf | dude |
| 00:16.09 | dataw0lf | don't make me find it |
| 00:16.11 | mindjuju | DoD and all of that |
| 00:17.44 | dataw0lf | alright, you're making me find it. It's cool. |
| 00:18.35 | dataw0lf | I got ya |
| 00:19.00 | mindjuju | you found it? |
| 00:19.03 | mindjuju | what's the URL ? |
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| 01:19.36 | mindjuju | best cure for headache = Joe Satriani - Surfing with the alien |
| 01:20.44 | jsmith | mindjuju: Amen to that! |
| 01:20.51 | jsmith | mindjuju: That guy is awesome! |
| 01:21.47 | mindjuju | one of the very best, next to vai, malmsteen and johnson |
| 01:22.15 | jsmith | Yup... although I don't like Vai as much as I did in high school. |
| 01:22.19 | jsmith | (and I'm not sure why) |
| 01:22.46 | jsmith | Malmsteen is awesome.. but I don't have any of his stuff anymore :-( |
| 01:22.54 | mindjuju | really? |
| 01:23.04 | mindjuju | i have an album and a video(i think) |
| 01:27.05 | mindjuju | did you buy one of his albums then lose it or was it borrowed |
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| 03:01.06 | Utah_Dave | sweet, I just booted up my first ec2 instance. |
| 03:01.19 | mindjuju | what's ec2 ? |
| 03:02.00 | Utah_Dave | Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud |
| 03:02.22 | Utah_Dave | I finally got into the beta. I think they let a bunch more people in this week |
| 03:02.23 | mindjuju | i'll have to look that up |
| 03:02.29 | mindjuju | is that the human function thing |
| 03:02.39 | mindjuju | where you have mudane tasks accomplished by humans |
| 03:02.48 | Utah_Dave | no, it's kind of like a virtual server. |
| 03:02.53 | mindjuju | oh |
| 03:03.12 | Utah_Dave | but you can create images of machines, and you can spawn new machines whenever you need more machines |
| 03:03.22 | Utah_Dave | they charge ten cents/hour per machine |
| 03:03.36 | mindjuju | really? |
| 03:04.07 | mindjuju | do they come with an OS? |
| 03:04.19 | Utah_Dave | so you can ramp up as you need more computing power for a surge and then drop them as you don't need them |
| 03:04.21 | mindjuju | or is it just the processing power |
| 03:05.15 | Utah_Dave | yeah, it comes with an OS |
| 03:05.37 | Utah_Dave | and you can customize your own os for it |
| 03:05.43 | mindjuju | really? |
| 03:05.54 | Utah_Dave | yup |
| 03:07.21 | mindjuju | so, that's like $72 a month for the box |
| 03:08.06 | Utah_Dave | yeah, I get charged $150/month to host my own box that I've already paid for |
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| 06:20.12 | mgeary | hey |
| 06:20.23 | mgeary | jbot: wake everyone up |
| 06:20.41 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on everyone up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 14:18.43 | leninmhs | hi php programers |
| 14:23.34 | jsmith | Hello leninmhs |
| 14:25.01 | leninmhs | jsmith you're programer PHP? other languajes? |
| 14:25.53 | wps | alright, whoever taught jbot to welcome me… it's time to turn it off |
| 14:26.14 | wps | although I am flattered by the receptiong… |
| 14:26.20 | wps | s/receptiong/reception/ |
| 14:26.32 | wps | it has run it's course |
| 14:27.13 | jsmith | ~onjoin -wps |
| 14:27.13 | jbot | ok, jsmith |
| 14:28.05 | wps | is that all it takes? feeding a blank onjoin message to him? |
| 14:28.12 | jsmith | I think it's the - in front of your name |
| 14:28.22 | jsmith | Why don't you leave and come back and see if that fixes it |
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| 14:29.40 | wps | nope |
| 14:30.04 | wps | is it a jbot thing or a chanserv thing? |
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| 14:33.08 | wps | thebigdog: you know anything about the sexy pants greeting jbot gives me each time I log in? |
| 14:33.23 | thebigdog | are you asking if i put it there? |
| 14:33.31 | wps | yeah |
| 14:33.45 | thebigdog | that is probably the work of mindjuju |
| 14:33.50 | thebigdog | same with mine |
| 14:33.55 | wps | you have one too? |
| 14:33.59 | wps | mindjuju! |
| 14:34.06 | thebigdog | yeah mine says GWAR |
| 14:34.18 | wps | do you have any idea how to turn it off? |
| 14:34.29 | wps | jbot, onjoin -wps |
| 14:34.29 | jbot | ok, wps |
| 14:34.33 | thebigdog | yeah you have to tell jbot to remove it |
| 14:34.50 | wps | right… the tricky part is figuring out the syntax |
| 14:35.12 | thebigdog | one sec and i'll tell you |
| 14:35.15 | wps | mindjuju: wake up |
| 14:35.21 | wps | jbot, wake mindjuju up |
| 14:35.29 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju up and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 14:35.50 | wps | jbot, forget wps onjoin |
| 14:35.50 | jbot | wps: i didn't have anything called 'wps onjoin' to forget |
| 14:36.09 | wps | onjoin #uphpu -wps |
| 14:36.29 | thebigdog | you have too tell jbot that |
| 14:36.41 | wps | jbot, onjoin #uphpu -wps |
| 14:36.41 | jbot | ok, wps |
| 14:36.48 | jsmith | ~onjoin -wps default |
| 14:36.48 | jbot | ok, jsmith |
| 14:37.03 | jsmith | I think you have to tell it which channels to do it for |
| 14:37.08 | jsmith | (now that I think about it) |
| 14:37.12 | jsmith | ~help onjoin |
| 14:37.30 | thebigdog | ~onjoin #uphpu -wps |
| 14:37.30 | jbot | thebigdog: ok |
| 14:37.36 | thebigdog | there |
| 14:38.02 | thebigdog | so wps rejoin and tell if it works |
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| 14:40.26 | thebigdog | lol |
| 14:40.58 | jsmith | ~onjoin _default -wps |
| 14:40.58 | jbot | jsmith: ok |
| 14:41.01 | jsmith | Try that! |
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| 14:41.30 | jsmith | ~onjoin _default -thebigdog |
| 14:41.30 | jbot | ok, jsmith |
| 14:41.43 | jsmith | thebigdog: One more time |
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| 14:42.05 | jsmith | w00t! |
| 14:42.08 | thebigdog | nice |
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| 14:53.52 | wps | ah…… |
| 14:53.54 | wps | thank you, jsmith |
| 14:53.57 | wps | has mindjuju confessed to this yet? |
| 14:54.38 | jsmith | I haven't heard any confessions |
| 14:54.49 | jsmith | wps: Are you sure it wasn't your wife? |
| 14:54.55 | wps | positive |
| 14:54.56 | wps | :) |
| 14:58.57 | thebigdog | ~welcome leninmhs |
| 14:58.59 | jbot | Welcome to the party, leninmhs! |
| 14:59.17 | thebigdog | ~welcome tewk |
| 14:59.18 | jbot | Welcome to the party, tewk! |
| 14:59.26 | thebigdog | ~welcome everyone |
| 14:59.27 | jbot | Hey, everyone! Glad you could join us. |
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| 15:00.08 | leninmhs | thank's programers |
| 15:00.14 | leninmhs | im from venezuela |
| 15:04.16 | timinator | morning guys |
| 15:04.24 | timinator | sorry I've been out |
| 15:04.42 | timinator | lost my wife's grandma to a heart attack over the weekend |
| 15:06.36 | timinator | being one of the only adult men in the family, I had to take the reigns on much of it |
| 15:07.06 | timinator | s/only/few/ |
| 15:07.21 | timinator | anyway... I'm back now |
| 15:07.54 | timinator | spinnin' code, jammin' 311, cuttin' trees.... |
| 15:09.24 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 15:10.23 | *** mode/#UPHPU [-v mindjuju] by macnewbold |
| 15:16.02 | Utah_Dave | ~bienvenido leninmhs |
| 15:16.14 | thebigdog | leninmhs we have a couple guys that speak spanish so you can ask questions in spanish too if you need to |
| 15:18.49 | leninmhs | thank guys' good channel |
| 15:21.23 | thebigdog | so leninmhs you living in caracas |
| 15:22.36 | leninmhs | yeah caracas |
| 15:23.13 | leninmhs | good nocturne life |
| 15:23.41 | leninmhs | now cool climate |
| 15:24.34 | leninmhs | edict of government of use free software |
| 15:24.57 | leninmhs | since 2004 |
| 15:25.35 | Utah_Dave | my wife is from Caracas |
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| 15:27.49 | timinator | Blue October is in SLC in April |
| 15:28.04 | timinator | woot woot |
| 15:28.23 | mgeary | Blue October is in April? |
| 15:28.36 | timinator | something like that :) |
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| 15:37.37 | leninmhs | when you wife leave from caracas? |
| 15:40.15 | mgeary | hey jbot-- |
| 15:40.29 | mgeary | hey jbot, thanks for these new headphones, they rock |
| 15:40.34 | timinator | I'd imagine they grow beautiful women down there, heh? |
| 15:41.48 | Lone_Away | Stop it, you're ruining the iRack! |
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| 15:47.32 | PoeticIntensity | mornin' all. |
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| 15:47.40 | mgeary | heya |
| 15:47.53 | _psychic_ | likewise |
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| 15:50.12 | brasto | dude, i just watched this, and had to share it... |
| 15:50.32 | brasto | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLQFCR-w_p0 |
| 15:50.43 | brasto | rotflol! |
| 15:51.36 | mgeary | heheh |
| 15:51.43 | brasto | "Is this a demolition company or a joke factory?" |
| 15:51.43 | Lone_Wanderer | hey PI, got a question for you. |
| 15:51.45 | mgeary | "hold on one wee second, please" |
| 15:52.10 | brasto | I'm actually laughing so hard, I'm crying... |
| 15:52.32 | brasto | ~lart timinator |
| 15:52.32 | jbot | stabs timinator |
| 15:53.13 | timinator | ouch |
| 15:53.19 | timinator | ~lart brasto |
| 15:53.19 | jbot | beats brasto to within 2.54cm of his life |
| 15:53.31 | brasto | ouch |
| 15:53.45 | timinator | ~timattack brasto |
| 15:53.46 | jbot | ACTION uses a 2 handed log saw and starts to go postal on brasto! |
| 15:54.02 | brasto | timinator, did you watch that video? |
| 15:54.09 | timinator | no |
| 15:54.27 | brasto | "I want you to help me destroy my school" |
| 15:54.38 | timinator | that's for wps |
| 15:54.54 | brasto | "Could you make sure all my teachers are in the school when you knock it down?" |
| 15:54.55 | mgeary | a cover, eh? Is it good? |
| 15:55.07 | timinator | brasto.... that's off a podcast |
| 15:55.11 | mgeary | hey, jbot, these headphones are actually a bit tight. |
| 15:55.56 | brasto | the Irish accent just makes all the more funny. |
| 15:56.02 | Lone_Wanderer | WOAH |
| 15:56.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Wooaaahhhh man |
| 15:56.22 | Lone_Wanderer | the part at the beginning where you hear the phone ring |
| 15:56.26 | Lone_Wanderer | instant flashback to The Wall |
| 15:56.28 | Lone_Wanderer | that was weird |
| 15:56.49 | brasto | Pink Floyd? Flashback was from the video? |
| 15:56.50 | Lone_Wanderer | "Hello, this is the United States call"*click*... |
| 15:56.52 | wps | awesome |
| 15:57.03 | Lone_Wanderer | "Hello, this is the United States, are we reaching..."*click* |
| 15:57.40 | Lone_Wanderer | In The Wall, there's a part where Pink calls home from the US to Britain, calling his wife, and a man answers |
| 15:57.41 | brasto | timinator, do podcast also use Flash Video format? |
| 15:57.48 | Lone_Wanderer | anyway. |
| 15:58.29 | brasto | testing something for timinator... |
| 15:58.33 | brasto | ~timattack timinator |
| 15:58.34 | jbot | ACTION grabs an axe and starts to cut timinator down to size! |
| 15:58.42 | timinator | no.... it was an audio podcast.... but I heard that one several months ago |
| 15:59.22 | brasto | oh, I suppose that explains why the video keeps changing for the same audio content... |
| 15:59.30 | timinator | looks like they took that audio podcast and slapped some slides to it in flash |
| 15:59.36 | timinator | ya |
| 15:59.39 | Lone_Wanderer | "Give me a ballpark figure." |
| 15:59.44 | timinator | LOL |
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| 16:00.33 | Lone_Wanderer | What does "fill your boots" mean? |
| 16:00.58 | timinator | get going |
| 16:01.04 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, ok |
| 16:01.15 | brasto | Lone_Wanderer, it's something in Irish ;) |
| 16:02.45 | brasto | wait, the video is the same... |
| 16:04.52 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.johntedwards.com/2006/10/15/little-irish-girl-prank-calls/ - more from the same girl |
| 16:05.44 | brasto | now... how to get an mp3 of that for my local machine... |
| 16:06.45 | brasto | wow, she's as cute as she sounds... |
| 16:07.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I bet this girl is great with telemarketersr. |
| 16:07.21 | mgeary | "cute as a bug's ear" |
| 16:07.25 | Lone_Wanderer | telemarketers* |
| 16:10.53 | wps | she's funny |
| 16:11.10 | Lone_Wanderer | She's quick thinking. |
| 16:11.24 | mgeary | ...but you can't tell me that Becky's cuter than MY little girl: http://166.70.44.60/download/pics/eag.jpg |
| 16:11.25 | mgeary | :D |
| 16:11.31 | wps | I love her accent |
| 16:11.42 | Lone_Wanderer | No contest. |
| 16:11.56 | wps | what happened to your lawn? |
| 16:12.00 | brasto | LOL! "No I want to buy an elephant for my dad" |
| 16:12.16 | mgeary | that's not my lawn, that's the palace gardens at Sansoucci in Potsdam, Germany |
| 16:12.17 | brasto | "Well my dad's very big...." |
| 16:13.14 | brasto | "my mom said my dad is getting fat as an elephant" |
| 16:13.43 | brasto | "what about a hippo?" ok, I'll stop the OT stuff. It was just so funny. |
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| 16:15.34 | Utah_Dave | leninmhs: My wife moved to the US with her family when she was 7 |
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| 16:15.34 | mgeary | yeah, i'm in the very northeast corner of Provo |
| 16:15.35 | mgeary | oops |
| 16:15.35 | mgeary | wrong channel :) |
| 16:15.35 | mgeary | but the fact remains |
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| 16:17.20 | timinator | testing |
| 16:17.25 | timinator | ~lart brasto |
| 16:17.25 | jbot | pours gasoline all over brasto, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 16:18.12 | PoeticIntensity | Lone_Wanderer, what's your question? |
| 16:18.29 | PoeticIntensity | (Sorry... I didn't get notified because you didn't use my name.... Do you have tab-complete?) |
| 16:18.45 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 16:18.53 | Lone_Wanderer | but I'm too lazy even for that :p |
| 16:18.56 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:18.56 | PoeticIntensity | nice. |
| 16:19.09 | Lone_Wanderer | my clutch has suddenly become really, really easy to... step on. |
| 16:19.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Disengage. Whatever. |
| 16:19.18 | PoeticIntensity | yeah |
| 16:19.25 | PoeticIntensity | does it still work? |
| 16:19.32 | Lone_Wanderer | It used to offer a medium amount of resistance, but the other day, that went away |
| 16:19.33 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, works fine |
| 16:19.43 | PoeticIntensity | hrmm.... |
| 16:19.47 | PoeticIntensity | I'd be concerned. |
| 16:19.47 | Lone_Wanderer | the... I forget what it's called, but the point where it engages hasn't changed |
| 16:20.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I was thinking of calling Click and Clack this weekend. |
| 16:20.13 | PoeticIntensity | BTW, contrary to popular belief, I'm not a car guy. |
| 16:20.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I've just been waiting for an excuse to call them. |
| 16:20.25 | PoeticIntensity | I'm learning quickly, but man.... I really don't know jack. |
| 16:20.29 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 16:20.32 | PoeticIntensity | Click and Clack? |
| 16:20.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Well never mind then. Noob! |
| 16:20.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Car Talk, on NPR |
| 16:20.44 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:20.50 | PoeticIntensity | there ya go.... I've never even heard of them! |
| 16:20.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Well I listen to NPR obsessively. |
| 16:21.00 | PoeticIntensity | I enjoy driving tons, but as far as fixing.... |
| 16:21.15 | PoeticIntensity | I do change my own oil, if that counts for any brownie points....! |
| 16:21.20 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 16:21.22 | Lone_Wanderer | that's better than me. |
| 16:21.27 | PoeticIntensity | :) |
| 16:21.29 | PoeticIntensity | I do it to save money. |
| 16:21.34 | PoeticIntensity | gotta make the payments. |
| 16:21.36 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, it does have that benefit |
| 16:21.47 | Lone_Wanderer | but I don't have a ramp or the oil filter twister thing |
| 16:21.47 | PoeticIntensity | ind33d. |
| 16:21.51 | mgeary | here's the thing about Car Talk-- |
| 16:22.13 | mgeary | when you call in, you get a recording that you have to leave your information, and if they like it, they'll call you back and work out a time for you to be on air. |
| 16:22.17 | mgeary | it's not just a live call-in |
| 16:22.19 | mgeary | :/ |
| 16:22.24 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, okay |
| 16:22.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll say that I'm Mormon and that I drive a Mercury Mistake and maybe that'll make them like me. |
| 16:23.06 | mgeary | heheeh |
| 16:23.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Sense of humor + something to make fun of him about. |
| 16:23.30 | Lone_Wanderer | They probably get so many calls that they can't filter them on the air. |
| 16:23.35 | mgeary | say one of your wives broke the car. that'll do it |
| 16:24.03 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 16:24.04 | mgeary | while she was driving across the border, fleeing the state "powlice" |
| 16:24.11 | mgeary | ;) |
| 16:24.13 | wps | I hate how people use "login" as a noun |
| 16:24.17 | wps | it's a verb! |
| 16:24.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh wow. |
| 16:24.29 | wps | you log in with a username, not a "login" |
| 16:24.33 | Lone_Wanderer | The act of logging in is a verb |
| 16:24.50 | _psychic_ | hehe |
| 16:24.51 | Lone_Wanderer | but your username and password together comprise your login information, or login for short |
| 16:24.56 | mgeary | i'd assert that "login" is a noun |
| 16:25.09 | Centric | I second the login as a noun. |
| 16:25.11 | mgeary | and the action is "to log in" |
| 16:25.12 | Lone_Wanderer | You see ksmias's most recent post psychic? |
| 16:25.42 | _psychic_ | wps: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/login |
| 16:25.44 | mgeary | i'd say that a login comprises all information necessary to authenticate yourself. |
| 16:25.47 | _psychic_ | "n. The process of identifying oneself to a computer, usually by entering one's username and password. " |
| 16:26.05 | mgeary | oohh, i'm gooood |
| 16:26.28 | wps | that dictionary is jacked |
| 16:26.30 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 16:26.39 | wps | identitying oneself at a computer is "logging in" |
| 16:26.43 | wps | not "login" |
| 16:26.47 | mgeary | that is correct |
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| 16:26.56 | Lone_Wanderer | A lot of online dictionaries are jacked. |
| 16:26.59 | mgeary | but you use a login to log in |
| 16:27.05 | brasto | if anyone finds mp3 versions of her calls, please post the link |
| 16:27.12 | wps | no, you use "log in credentials" |
| 16:27.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Particularly dictionary.com. It's got very low standards for where it gets definitions and etymology from. |
| 16:27.23 | wps | a "login" isn't a thing or set of things |
| 16:27.26 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: "log in credentials", "login" for short. |
| 16:28.03 | _psychic_ | Lone_Wanderer: lol |
| 16:28.04 | _psychic_ | "old parenting argument? |
| 16:28.12 | _psychic_ | wtfoo |
| 16:28.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, I'm not even going to bother responding |
| 16:28.12 | wps | sure… but most people == login with username |
| 16:28.16 | Centric | Login can also be the place or fields you login in at "Wheres the login?" |
| 16:28.20 | Centric | Totally a noun. |
| 16:28.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Totally a nun. |
| 16:28.34 | wps | ick |
| 16:28.40 | wps | no, that's a form… of a "log in field" |
| 16:28.51 | Lone_Wanderer | My login prays the rosary and wears a habbit. |
| 16:28.51 | wps | s/of/or/ |
| 16:29.01 | wps | "login" sounds like "noggin" |
| 16:31.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I usually put the emPHAsis on the second sylLABle. |
| 16:32.13 | wps | although I am completely against pornography, I don't understand the .xxx push… how on earth would it be enforced? |
| 16:32.25 | Lone_Wanderer | It wouldn't be. |
| 16:32.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is why it's a retarded idea. |
| 16:32.50 | Lone_Wanderer | In fact, I'd probably register dan.xxx and put pictures of puppies and kitties on it, just to be contrary. |
| 16:32.53 | _psychic_ | wihle(1) {$CP80--;} |
| 16:32.54 | wps | they should spend their time on better methods for blocking/filtering it |
| 16:32.55 | mgeary | i like the concept of voluntarily adding <nsfw> tags to web content |
| 16:33.09 | wps | what's that, mgeary ? |
| 16:33.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, but still, it's voluntary. |
| 16:33.14 | mgeary | i mean porn sites probably don't *want* people getting fired for visiting them, so they'd probably be onboard |
| 16:33.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Any solution that relies on porn publishers to voluntarily limit their audience isn't going to succeed. |
| 16:33.41 | mgeary | wps: there's talk of basically extending HTML with some meta data that you could set your browser to refuse |
| 16:33.43 | thebigdog | exactly |
| 16:34.01 | wps | but why would the porn people put it in their pages? |
| 16:34.19 | thebigdog | they wont |
| 16:34.26 | wps | then that's a stupid idea too |
| 16:34.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I suppose some responsible pornographers might |
| 16:34.31 | Centric | If I was a porno vendo, and I hope to be one someday, Id do it. |
| 16:34.36 | Centric | vendor* |
| 16:34.54 | thebigdog | porn is based on getting people hooked and exploiting addictions |
| 16:34.59 | thebigdog | they wont do that |
| 16:35.01 | Lone_Wanderer | but most of them are too retarded to understand how it's beneficial to them to limit their audience to consenting adults |
| 16:35.21 | thebigdog | porn is like smoking...they dont care |
| 16:36.18 | thebigdog | i had some guy tell me im not a java developer but a php developer |
| 16:36.33 | thebigdog | i asked where he heard that |
| 16:36.36 | Lone_Wanderer | On what basis did he make that assertion? |
| 16:36.40 | thebigdog | he said, "i googled you" |
| 16:37.08 | mgeary | well, you can't argue with "the Google" |
| 16:37.14 | thebigdog | exactly |
| 16:37.20 | Lone_Wanderer | El Goog! |
| 16:37.24 | Centric | Yeah, Mr Google knows what hes talking about. |
| 16:37.42 | Lone_Wanderer | So he saw your participation in uphpu and made up his mind based on that, or what? |
| 16:38.13 | thebigdog | yeah probably...i have done a lot of stuff with php that is public |
| 16:38.31 | thebigdog | my java work is all for northrop grumman and the air force so your not going to see that stuff |
| 16:38.53 | Lone_Wanderer | makes sense |
| 16:39.14 | _psychic_ | thebigdog: just google him and make some baseless assertions to show him how dumb that is |
| 16:39.17 | _psychic_ | you can google me |
| 16:39.18 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 16:39.28 | _psychic_ | my name is less.... original |
| 16:39.37 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 16:39.51 | mgeary | _psychic_: what's your name? |
| 16:40.27 | thebigdog | i should have told him to google Frank Black |
| 16:40.29 | mgeary | thebigdog: i assume you had to get a security clearance for that. Was that a worthwhile process? |
| 16:40.34 | thebigdog | that would have been great |
| 16:40.55 | thebigdog | mgeary, yeah i got a sec clearance...it took a while and was a pain to do |
| 16:41.01 | _psychic_ | mgeary: John Anderson :) |
| 16:41.09 | mgeary | does having a clearance make a big difference for you? |
| 16:41.13 | _psychic_ | mgeary: I'm a presidential hopeful, and country singer, among other things. |
| 16:41.27 | mgeary | well, hey, at least you're not a Vedic Therapist |
| 16:41.41 | mgeary | or, ewwww, a Windows programmer |
| 16:41.43 | thebigdog | mgeary it does if i continue to work for the government...or companies that contract with the government |
| 16:42.14 | mgeary | thebigdog: is that something that you can start yourself, or does it start with a govt contractor wanting to hire you? |
| 16:42.43 | thebigdog | usually you get it from the company...they sponsor you or you work directly for the government |
| 16:43.07 | thebigdog | i dont ever want to work directly for the government though...it sucks |
| 16:43.15 | thebigdog | too much bs to deal with |
| 16:43.20 | mgeary | nice retirement plan, though |
| 16:43.29 | thebigdog | depends |
| 16:43.30 | timinator | not worth it |
| 16:43.34 | mgeary | no, probably not |
| 16:43.47 | Lone_Wanderer | So is there any rounded corner solution that doesn't use JavaScript, images, or require adding crap to your HTML? |
| 16:44.08 | Centric | not anything thats cross-browser |
| 16:44.30 | Centric | moz has a css setting, but wont work elsewhere :( |
| 16:44.37 | Lone_Wanderer | So basically it's not possible to make cross-browser rounded corners without making a gigantic hack in your code? |
| 16:44.55 | Centric | yeah |
| 16:45.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Great. |
| 16:45.21 | Centric | I like to stack 4 divs, and place the corner image on the bg of each, thats as clean as ive found to do it. |
| 16:46.26 | Centric | if you can call 3 useless divs and css clean |
| 16:46.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Given a choice I'd rather have messy CSS, with images, than messy HTML. |
| 16:47.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Because rounded corners is a presentation issue, and CSS + images is where the presentation is defined. |
| 16:47.56 | Centric | Yeah, images in the HTML for corners is no good. |
| 16:48.56 | macnewbold | sometimes images in the html is less of a hack than some of the other stuff |
| 16:49.07 | macnewbold | niftycube rounded corners are one thing I've seen done before |
| 16:49.13 | macnewbold | requires no hacking your html |
| 16:49.25 | macnewbold | but uses css and I think a bit of javascript |
| 16:49.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Excellent. |
| 16:49.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm. Not a big fan of having javascript define the layout either. |
| 16:50.08 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart whoever came up with rounded corners |
| 16:50.08 | jbot | takes large quantities of Krispy Kream donuts and stuffs them one after another down whoever came up with rounded corners's throat until whoever came up with rounded corners puts on 150lbs |
| 16:50.28 | wps | why do you need rounded corners? is the client requiring it? |
| 16:50.39 | Lone_Wanderer | afaik |
| 16:50.49 | wps | ~afaik |
| 16:50.55 | jbot | somebody said afaik was some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, as far as I know. |
| 16:51.49 | Centric | I like rounded corners, its when EVERY box on the page is roundered that I begin to question the design. |
| 16:52.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I wish I could find the Web 2.0 page I saw before. |
| 16:52.40 | Lone_Wanderer | It was a great parody. |
| 16:54.26 | Centric | Web 2.0, its all about the lime-green ajax-created rounded corners. |
| 17:05.09 | thebigdog | lol |
| 17:07.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Well that makes me sad. I can't find the Web 2.0 page. It was so great. |
| 17:07.59 | thebigdog | www.web2expo.com |
| 17:08.39 | thebigdog | its nice that technology is driven by publishers |
| 17:09.45 | thebigdog | what the hell is remixability? |
| 17:09.46 | thebigdog | lol |
| 17:09.58 | thebigdog | microformats |
| 17:10.19 | Lone_Wanderer | microformats are the Worst Idea Ever |
| 17:11.42 | Centric | i remember watching a presentation on that... |
| 17:13.11 | Centric | It sounded like a good idea. At first. Then they just want too far with it all. |
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| 17:33.55 | Utah_Dave | ~wpsAttach Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:34.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Did you mean... |
| 17:34.22 | Lone_Wanderer | ~wpsAttack Utah_Dave? |
| 17:34.24 | jbot | ACTION grabs Utah_Dave's table-based layout and starts to go postal on Utah_Dave! |
| 17:34.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ~evillaugh |
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| 17:35.59 | Lone_Wanderer | ~wpsattack beandog |
| 17:36.07 | jbot | ACTION grabs beandog's global.css and starts to go postal on beandog! |
| 17:36.07 | beandog_ | oh boy |
| 17:36.07 | beandog_ | whatd I do now |
| 17:36.07 | beandog_ | besides leave xchat on at home. |
| 17:36.07 | beandog_ | doh. |
| 17:36.07 | beandog_ | -_- |
| 17:36.22 | _psychic_ | ~lart all the retarded people in the whole world |
| 17:36.22 | jbot | pushes the wall down onto all the retarded people in the whole world whilst whistling innocently |
| 17:36.49 | Utah_Dave | dangit!! |
| 17:36.58 | Utah_Dave | ~wpsAttack Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:36.59 | jbot | ACTION grabs Lone_Wanderer's table-based layout and starts to chastise Lone_Wanderer! |
| 17:38.14 | thebigdog | beandog_, you want me to kick you connection? |
| 17:38.21 | beandog_ | no |
| 17:38.30 | thebigdog | i can if you like |
| 17:42.20 | thebigdog | here goes |
| 17:45.03 | thebigdog | oh delphi sucks |
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| 17:47.18 | mindjuju | sup all |
| 17:47.38 | mindjuju | finally got my GAIM troubles fixed. |
| 17:49.14 | wps | ah-hah! |
| 17:49.19 | wps | mindjuju came clean! |
| 17:49.27 | wps | what shall we do with him??? |
| 17:49.43 | wps | it's high time we had ourselves a good ol' fashioned lynching! |
| 17:50.07 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 17:50.32 | wps | hmm… |
| 17:50.36 | wps | perhaps we could go easy on him since he did confess |
| 17:50.43 | wps | jbot, wedgie mindjuju |
| 17:50.46 | jbot | ACTION hangs mindjuju from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 17:50.56 | wps | yes, that will suffice |
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| 17:56.12 | Utah_Dave | what did mindjuju confess to>? |
| 17:56.14 | Utah_Dave | ? |
| 17:59.19 | mindjuju | oh, i confessed that i put the onjoin on their accoutns |
| 17:59.28 | mindjuju | so for thebigdog, it would say GWAR! |
| 17:59.35 | mindjuju | and for wade it said mr sexy pants |
| 18:04.02 | timinator | I've got a sonogram online now.... |
| 18:04.15 | timinator | don't want to put the URL in here.... PM me for it |
| 18:07.49 | mgeary | timinator: you're pregnant? |
| 18:08.01 | timinator | by proxy |
| 18:08.11 | mgeary | first time? |
| 18:11.21 | timinator | third |
| 18:11.27 | timinator | first boy though |
| 18:11.44 | timinator | I've got 2 daughters |
| 18:11.59 | mindjuju | congrats timinator! |
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| 18:12.19 | mgeary | awesome |
| 18:12.24 | timinator | 1st is almost 4, 2nd just turned 2, baby is due at the end of April |
| 18:12.27 | mgeary | boys are easier than girls, methinks |
| 18:12.30 | mgeary | woah |
| 18:12.35 | mgeary | timinator: packs 'em close |
| 18:12.42 | timinator | hell ya.... |
| 18:12.52 | timinator | my siblings and I are 4 yrs apart |
| 18:12.58 | timinator | we fight constantly |
| 18:13.05 | timinator | I didn't want that for my kids |
| 18:14.09 | mgeary | your wife must love you very much |
| 18:14.09 | timinator | she does.... and I love her very much |
| 18:14.09 | timinator | she wants them close too though |
| 18:14.47 | mgeary | :) |
| 18:14.57 | mgeary | ours are almost 7, 4 and 1.5 |
| 18:15.36 | timinator | that's cool... boys/girls? |
| 18:15.43 | mgeary | boy, girl, boy |
| 18:15.52 | timinator | cool |
| 18:16.22 | timinator | are you done? or you going for another one? |
| 18:16.38 | mgeary | we're done now. my wife has a heart condition, so we didn't want to push our luck |
| 18:17.44 | mgeary | http://166.70.44.60/download/pics/mykids.jpg |
| 18:17.46 | mgeary | :D |
| 18:17.51 | mgeary | cutest kids EVER |
| 18:18.03 | mindjuju | what an awesome pic! |
| 18:18.17 | mgeary | that's on the wall outside Sansoucci |
| 18:18.53 | mgeary | http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomp.asp?path=DGV/DGV031/1254014.jpg |
| 18:19.20 | beandog | mgeary: heh, nice |
| 18:19.23 | beandog | thats cool |
| 18:19.29 | mindjuju | thebigdog, you around |
| 18:19.58 | mindjuju | best dog evar |
| 18:20.20 | mindjuju | k, this is a database question, for anybody who wants to chime in |
| 18:21.02 | mindjuju | i'm writing a document library where data about the file is stored like the last time it was updated, the file name, notes about the file, etc |
| 18:21.17 | mindjuju | then i have a file that goes and fetches the files in the document library |
| 18:21.34 | mindjuju | as a part of the process of presenting the client with the document they want, it records that they took the file |
| 18:21.52 | mindjuju | thereby giving me stats on file download, which seemed to pull the most audience, etc |
| 18:22.18 | mindjuju | well, in that table where i'm recording, i'm logging acct id of client, doc id and the date time |
| 18:22.59 | mindjuju | oh, sorry, in table with the document name and last update, there is a field there that says what type of document it is, ie, what category of document |
| 18:22.59 | mindjuju | so, here is my big hairy question |
| 18:23.30 | mindjuju | in the table where i'm logging what person took what file, how do i efficently group downloaded documents by document type? |
| 18:23.49 | mindjuju | if i store the doc type in that table, i start to have duplication of data which as macnewbold says, is almost always bad |
| 18:23.56 | mindjuju | is this one of those ok times? |
| 18:24.01 | mgeary | have you considered an "enum" field? |
| 18:24.11 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 18:24.12 | jbot | plops ChanServ into a giant vat of herring |
| 18:24.30 | mgeary | enums are super efficient, and can take the place of a full-fledged lookup table in some cases |
| 18:24.57 | mindjuju | hmm |
| 18:24.58 | mgeary | but if you're already storing the foreign key of the document type... |
| 18:25.08 | macnewbold | mindjuju: if you want to match your stats up by characteristics of the document, |
| 18:25.11 | mgeary | can't you just group by that? |
| 18:25.14 | macnewbold | you just need to do a join between the two tables |
| 18:25.26 | macnewbold | and like mgeary says, you can use group by or whatever |
| 18:25.52 | macnewbold | select * from stats left join docs on stats.docid=docs.docid group by category; |
| 18:25.58 | mindjuju | yeah, ok |
| 18:26.18 | timinator | I concur |
| 18:26.56 | mindjuju | k, i'm cool |
| 18:27.09 | mindjuju | i knew i was on the right path, just got confused |
| 18:27.09 | mindjuju | thx all |
| 18:30.45 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: ping |
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| 19:00.07 | dragonleech | fun4all |
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| 19:00.39 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: fun4all is <action> throws a party, everyone's invited! |
| 19:00.47 | jbot | okay, Lone_Wanderer |
| 19:00.47 | Lone_Wanderer | ~fun4all |
| 19:00.49 | jbot | ACTION throws a party, everyone's invited! |
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| 19:07.49 | brast1 | timinator, how'd you program jbot with your timattack? |
| 19:09.44 | macnewbold | you just have to define it |
| 19:09.47 | macnewbold | ~literal timattack |
| 19:10.00 | macnewbold | waiting... |
| 19:10.46 | mgeary | macnewbold: something was broken with $1/$2 on jbot actions yesterday. observe: |
| 19:11.13 | mgeary | jbot: buy is <action> goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen $2s for $1 |
| 19:11.15 | jbot | okay, mgeary |
| 19:11.17 | macnewbold | jbot, are you awake? |
| 19:11.20 | mgeary | ~buy mgeary some headphones |
| 19:11.24 | macnewbold | jbot: literal timattack |
| 19:11.27 | mgeary | ~buy |
| 19:11.29 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen $2s for $1 |
| 19:11.33 | mgeary | see? |
| 19:11.49 | macnewbold | mgeary: you need to define that as buy $1 $2, not just $buy |
| 19:11.55 | mgeary | aahh |
| 19:11.59 | mgeary | jbot: forget buy |
| 19:11.59 | jbot | mgeary: i forgot buy |
| 19:12.12 | mgeary | jbot: buy $1 $2 is <action> goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen $2s for $1 |
| 19:12.13 | jbot | okay, mgeary |
| 19:12.20 | mgeary | ~buy mgeary a ding-dong |
| 19:12.22 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen a ding-dongs for mgeary |
| 19:12.40 | mgeary | well, we're a lot closer anyway |
| 19:12.42 | seant23 | 02~buy mgeary ding-dong01 |
| 19:15.04 | mgeary | hrm |
| 19:15.10 | mgeary | ~buy mgeary twinkie |
| 19:15.11 | jbot | ACTION goes to S-Mart and gets a dozen twinkies for mgeary |
| 19:15.23 | mgeary | mmm, gonna fry these suckers right up |
| 19:16.54 | brast1 | timinator, so something like: jbot literal forgetThisAttack is /me smacks /you upside the head so hard he forgets himself. |
| 19:22.32 | mgeary | like this: |
| 19:22.58 | mgeary | jbot: forgetThisAttack $1 is <action> smacks $1 upside the head so heard he forgets himself |
| 19:23.00 | jbot | mgeary: okay |
| 19:23.05 | mgeary | ~forgetThisAttack brast1 |
| 19:23.06 | jbot | ACTION smacks brast1 upside the head so heard he forgets himself |
| 19:24.06 | brast1 | doh! I'm in as brast1... brb... |
| 19:24.25 | brast1 | wait a minute... which one am i? |
| 19:24.49 | brast1 | jbot thinks i'm brast1, but my messages get sent as brasto? |
| 19:26.26 | mgeary | you're brast1 to me |
| 19:26.43 | _psychic_ | same here |
| 19:26.54 | brast1 | ok, brb |
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| 19:27.12 | _psychic_ | jbot: whoami is <action> points at $who |
| 19:27.14 | jbot | ...but whoami is already something else... |
| 19:27.18 | _psychic_ | ~whoami |
| 19:27.19 | jbot | you are _psychic_, or n=_psychic@66.7.114.126 on #uphpu and it's 2007.03.28. Don't believe me? Ask licyeus! |
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| 19:28.46 | brasto | jbot: brastotack $1 is <action> lectures $1 on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until $1 can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 19:28.48 | jbot | brasto: okay |
| 19:29.00 | brasto | brastotack Utah_Dave |
| 19:29.15 | brasto | doh |
| 19:29.27 | brasto | ~brastotack Utah_Dave |
| 19:29.28 | jbot | ACTION lectures Utah_Dave on properly designed databases, normalization, writing quality code with comments, and active-voice writing until Utah_Dave can't take anymore and goes berserk. |
| 19:29.42 | brasto | lol |
| 19:29.49 | brasto | i like it! |
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| 19:37.18 | thebigdog | mindjuju, whatz up |
| 19:38.38 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh m an. |
| 19:38.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I just picked up a card at the grocery store |
| 19:38.53 | Lone_Wanderer | for net safe Utah |
| 19:38.57 | Lone_Wanderer | netsafeutah.org |
| 19:39.07 | macnewbold | what is it, an online safe? |
| 19:39.08 | Lone_Wanderer | on the back it has "Online Teen Chat Abbreviations" |
| 19:39.13 | macnewbold | haha! |
| 19:39.48 | Lone_Wanderer | hru: how are you?; rofl: duh; pos: parent over shoulder; a/s/l: duh; lmirl: let's meet in real life |
| 19:40.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I picked it up to fuel the ongoing conversation here that started with CP80 |
| 19:40.46 | thebigdog | whatz funny is i know more than my daughter does with caht |
| 19:41.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Same, only replace daughter with sister, and accidentally with repeatedly. |
| 19:41.26 | thebigdog | you'd be surprised how many parents want to off load that type of stuff ot someone |
| 19:42.26 | Lone_Wanderer | No, I wouldn't. |
| 19:42.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Most parents would prefer to just offload parenting, period, to someone else. |
| 19:42.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Exhibit A: The long and honorable (?) profession of nannying. |
| 19:42.51 | thebigdog | yep...i agree with that |
| 19:43.11 | thebigdog | my wife nannied for years and has great stories to tell |
| 19:43.17 | brasto | i wouldn't say *most* parents |
| 19:43.21 | thebigdog | i think that is why she loves staying home |
| 19:43.30 | brasto | I'd say way too many, but not *most* |
| 19:43.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay maybe not most. |
| 19:43.34 | thebigdog | i am all in my kidz business |
| 19:43.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Don't you mean "bizness"? |
| 19:43.56 | thebigdog | s/business/bizness |
| 19:44.37 | thebigdog | what i like to do is be the house where all my daughter's friends come to hang out...then i can keep an eye on them all |
| 19:45.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Much better. By randomly replacing "s"'s with "z"'s, you'll earn "street cred" with your "shorties", thereby enabling you to keep them off of drugs. |
| 19:46.36 | Lone_Wanderer | This is crazy. |
| 19:46.38 | thebigdog | no doubt |
| 19:46.45 | Lone_Wanderer | No, something else is crazy. |
| 19:46.49 | thebigdog | ive got the tats to prove it |
| 19:46.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm on a dog forum |
| 19:47.03 | Lone_Wanderer | reading stuff about how to train your puppy |
| 19:47.16 | thebigdog | just ask mindjuju i trained him well |
| 19:47.20 | thebigdog | he is a op now |
| 19:47.21 | Lone_Wanderer | and so far for every one of them, my dog has already been trained to do these things |
| 19:47.22 | thebigdog | you know |
| 19:48.33 | thebigdog | your time is coming LW |
| 19:48.44 | Lone_Wanderer | My time for what? |
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| 19:48.59 | Lone_Wanderer | brb, need a band-aid |
| 19:49.00 | thebigdog | for being trained |
| 19:51.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I think there's an "or" in there. |
| 19:51.14 | Lone_Wanderer | You are young and life is long, and there is time to kill today |
| 19:51.29 | thebigdog | let me check |
| 19:51.32 | Lone_Wanderer | And then one day you find / Ten years have got behind you |
| 19:51.45 | Lone_Wanderer | No-one told you when to run. You missed the starting gun. |
| 19:51.45 | thebigdog | no one told you when to run, |
| 19:51.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I love that song. I feel that way all the time. |
| 19:51.51 | thebigdog | you missed the starting gun. |
| 19:52.03 | thebigdog | my fav line is this one |
| 19:52.13 | thebigdog | so you run and you run to catch up with the sun |
| 19:52.18 | thebigdog | but it's sinking |
| 19:52.27 | thebigdog | racing around to come up behind you again |
| 19:52.37 | thebigdog | with gilmour's slow hands on that it is great |
| 19:52.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Mine is "Forward he cried from the rear, and the front ranks died". Or "For want of the price of tea and a slice, the old man died". |
| 19:52.48 | Lone_Wanderer | gilmour's slow hands? |
| 19:53.18 | beandog | anyone ever used horde? |
| 19:53.24 | beandog | like it better than squirrelmail? |
| 19:53.34 | Lone_Wanderer | not I, I'm afraid |
| 19:53.38 | beandog | I like squirrelmail, except for the SMTP settings arent that great. |
| 19:53.54 | Lone_Wanderer | that is, I haven't used it. Not that I don't like it better. |
| 19:54.18 | macnewbold | I like horde a little better than squirrelmail |
| 19:54.27 | macnewbold | neither are spectacular though imho |
| 19:56.10 | beandog | http://www.pcclub.com/product_details.cfm?itemno=A3494850&CFID=1323898&CFTOKEN=73689058 |
| 19:56.19 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer yeah i love gilmour's guitar playin on that song |
| 19:56.20 | beandog | I like squirrelmail for its simplicity |
| 19:56.31 | beandog | last I recall, horde is shiny and a pain to setup |
| 19:56.32 | thebigdog | beandog, i use squirrelmail over horde |
| 19:56.37 | thebigdog | horde has too much crap |
| 19:56.39 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, Gilmour is a band member? |
| 19:56.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I only know Roger Waters's name. |
| 19:56.47 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 19:56.51 | beandog | I wonder if there are any other good alternatives |
| 19:56.58 | thebigdog | mason, waters, wright and gilmour |
| 19:57.03 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 19:57.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I wonder if Pink Floyd is really as good as I think they are, or if I only think that because I grew up with them |
| 19:58.07 | thebigdog | well they are that good |
| 19:58.23 | Lone_Wanderer | When did they start playing? |
| 19:58.25 | thebigdog | i could listen to them all day everyday |
| 19:58.36 | thebigdog | late 60s i beliefve |
| 19:58.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Aren't we the second generation of Floyd fans? |
| 19:58.41 | Lone_Wanderer | So almost. |
| 19:59.01 | thebigdog | i grew up with my pops listening to them |
| 19:59.09 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 19:59.18 | beandog | hmm, I dont see any smtp plugins for it, either. |
| 19:59.19 | thebigdog | he was 18 in 75 so it is his generation of music |
| 19:59.19 | beandog | poop. |
| 19:59.19 | beandog | :T |
| 19:59.46 | thebigdog | LW perhaps early 60s is when they started playing |
| 20:01.22 | thebigdog | lw - > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gilmour#Guitars |
| 20:02.10 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 20:02.56 | thebigdog | he reminds me of eric clapton...with less blues |
| 20:03.49 | Lone_Wanderer | *nods* |
| 20:04.21 | thebigdog | this makes me sick |
| 20:04.37 | thebigdog | Jimi's woodstock strat is owned by Paul Allen |
| 20:04.45 | Lone_Wanderer | who's Paul Allen? |
| 20:04.50 | thebigdog | a microsoft guy |
| 20:05.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, that is sad. |
| 20:05.34 | thebigdog | what a tainted guitar |
| 20:05.55 | thebigdog | but he is not on the payroll much now |
| 20:16.05 | Utah_Dave | Paul Allen hasn't been involved with Microsoft for a long time. I went to his Rock Museum up in Seattle. It was pretty cool. |
| 20:16.21 | thebigdog | did you see the hendrix guitar then? |
| 20:16.48 | thebigdog | yeah he has only been serving as an advisor on a limited basis |
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| 20:29.18 | macnewbold | and everyone's back |
| 20:29.19 | wps | wahoo! |
| 20:29.19 | thebigdog | lol |
| 20:29.20 | Lone_Wanderer | We're back too, for them. |
| 20:29.21 | thebigdog | is cole in the house? |
| 20:29.23 | thebigdog | im not too sure about this rad development for php |
| 20:29.23 | thebigdog | especially for web dev stuff |
| 20:29.23 | thebigdog | now it it was gui stuff then i would think it would be ok |
| 20:29.26 | thebigdog | does anyone have any opinions on it? |
| 20:29.26 | thebigdog | ~ping mindjuju |
| 20:29.41 | jbot | pong mindjuju |
| 20:29.43 | thebigdog | ~wake min |
| 20:29.47 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on min and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 20:35.09 | beandog | thebigdog: I am equally unsure |
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| 20:38.23 | mindjuju | k, i'm here with a report back on Star of India at 2100South |
| 20:38.28 | mindjuju | it doesn't exist |
| 20:38.40 | mindjuju | soooo... we can't make the geek lunch there |
| 20:39.04 | mindjuju | there is a star of india on 400 south, right next to himalayan kitchen |
| 20:39.28 | thebigdog | ok |
| 20:39.47 | mindjuju | i think the parking will be ok for Himilayan Kitchen |
| 20:39.54 | mindjuju | at worse, you'll have to walk half a block |
| 20:40.07 | mindjuju | what you think thebigdog ? |
| 20:40.25 | mindjuju | macnewbold |
| 20:40.31 | thebigdog | k |
| 20:40.36 | thebigdog | that sounds good for me |
| 20:40.46 | thebigdog | if we go during an off time that might be even better |
| 20:40.51 | mindjuju | coolio, and it's closer for you too. |
| 20:40.55 | mindjuju | like 1:30p? |
| 20:41.00 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 20:41.07 | mindjuju | i'm down with that |
| 20:42.10 | macnewbold | intersting |
| 20:42.16 | macnewbold | I could handle that I think |
| 20:42.33 | thebigdog | if timinator is free then we can head down together |
| 20:42.44 | thebigdog | he can meet me at my work and we can go from there |
| 20:42.46 | mindjuju | fungus, macnewbold, utah_dave, wps , _psychic_, beandog, brasto, herlo , lone_wanderer , mgeary, optikal, poeticintensity, synic,com4,dragonleach,eco, gibba[w],licyeus,seant23,tewk,tierra,unum,timinator |
| 20:42.47 | thebigdog | ~slap timinator |
| 20:42.49 | jbot | ACTION slaps timinator, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 20:42.58 | Lone_Wanderer | What, mindjuju? |
| 20:42.59 | mgeary | ? |
| 20:43.00 | wps | yeeeeeeessssssss? |
| 20:43.01 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 20:43.01 | jbot | throws a AN/M-8 smoke grenade at thebigdog |
| 20:43.07 | beandog | what |
| 20:43.07 | mindjuju | geek lunch at himilayan kitchen next friday @ 1:#0p |
| 20:43.16 | beandog | you paying? |
| 20:43.17 | mindjuju | 1:30p i mean |
| 20:43.20 | wps | at where? |
| 20:43.26 | mindjuju | in downtown SLC |
| 20:43.32 | timinator | what's the addey? |
| 20:43.36 | beandog | what kind of food is that |
| 20:43.56 | wps | how do you spell kiefed? (as in stole) |
| 20:44.11 | macnewbold | mindjuju: is it more like indian or chinese? (tibetan cuisine is what they say I think) |
| 20:44.18 | macnewbold | kifed I think |
| 20:44.52 | mindjuju | well, the dude is from Nepal , so Nepalese / Indian |
| 20:44.57 | beandog | bleh. |
| 20:45.02 | mindjuju | so, they have Nan, Tandori chicken |
| 20:45.11 | beandog | what is Nan? |
| 20:45.12 | mindjuju | they have a good sag paneer |
| 20:45.23 | mindjuju | nan is a tandori baked flatbread |
| 20:45.37 | mindjuju | it's not right to call it a tortilla, but like a tortilla |
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| 20:46.24 | mindjuju | what you think macnewbold |
| 20:48.43 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:49.07 | thebigdog | ~whaleslap beandog |
| 20:49.16 | jbot | ACTION beats beandog upside and over the head with a freakishly huge killer whale named Hugh |
| 20:49.30 | beandog | poor Hugh |
| 20:58.24 | PoeticIntensity | ~pistolwhip beandog |
| 20:58.34 | beandog | hmm |
| 20:58.37 | PoeticIntensity | Sooo...... thebigdog, about rad in web dev? |
| 20:58.43 | PoeticIntensity | I'm living in it right now... |
| 20:58.43 | thebigdog | y |
| 20:58.49 | PoeticIntensity | and..... it sucks. |
| 20:58.56 | thebigdog | yeah i dont like the idea |
| 20:59.02 | PoeticIntensity | that is, if I understand the RAD dev definition. |
| 20:59.24 | PoeticIntensity | basically, it's "Develop it on the fly, and hope you do it right so its scalable) |
| 20:59.27 | PoeticIntensity | ) = " |
| 20:59.33 | Lone_Wanderer | What's a RAD tool? |
| 20:59.51 | PoeticIntensity | I'm fairly sure its not a tool. It's a dev practice. |
| 20:59.52 | PoeticIntensity | am I wrong? |
| 20:59.57 | timinator | You guys are being real fair about having lunches further north, but I won't be able to make it for the next few months. I'm already loosing a lot of time due to the recent death in the family, the new baby, and I'll have family in town in May. Can we do another Northern lunch in June? |
| 20:59.58 | thebigdog | rad is more of a drop drag tool development |
| 20:59.58 | PoeticIntensity | I really only have looked once. |
| 21:00.06 | PoeticIntensity | ah.... nevermind then. |
| 21:00.18 | PoeticIntensity | RAD != Rapid Application Development ? |
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| 21:00.30 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, ok |
| 21:00.46 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, is that what you're talking about? |
| 21:01.06 | brasto | timinator, you had a new baby that died? or you had a death in the family, and had a baby, but they are not the same person? |
| 21:01.27 | thebigdog | well the rad development delphi is talkign is rapid app development with drop and drag gui |
| 21:01.44 | thebigdog | then it generates the code for you...very similar to gui development |
| 21:01.46 | PoeticIntensity | ah.... I'm probably up in the night. |
| 21:01.47 | timinator | my wife's grandma passed away over this past weekend |
| 21:01.51 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 21:01.57 | PoeticIntensity | so... some form of WYSIWYG? |
| 21:02.01 | timinator | we'll have a baby at the end of April |
| 21:02.16 | timinator | I'll have my family in town in May |
| 21:02.17 | PoeticIntensity | congrats, timinator. |
| 21:02.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I HOPE it's not a baby that died :( |
| 21:02.25 | thebigdog | PoeticIntensity, yep with a gui feel for it |
| 21:02.35 | timinator | I'll have in-laws in town in early June |
| 21:02.51 | thebigdog | it hides all the underlying code from the user |
| 21:02.58 | Lone_Wanderer | You can get to it though right? |
| 21:02.59 | timinator | and I currently have a TON of work |
| 21:02.59 | thebigdog | if you are familiar with ms wizards it is like that |
| 21:03.07 | Lone_Wanderer | The underlying code. |
| 21:03.11 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, yeah...but it is scary |
| 21:03.16 | PoeticIntensity | ack... |
| 21:03.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I've thought about doing that kind of thing before but never actually put it together. |
| 21:03.23 | thebigdog | like ms frontpage stuff |
| 21:03.24 | PoeticIntensity | that scares me enough to not even look at it... |
| 21:03.24 | Lone_Wanderer | For PHP. |
| 21:03.29 | Lone_Wanderer | You LIKE front page? |
| 21:03.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, nm, read that wrong. |
| 21:03.35 | PoeticIntensity | gasp. |
| 21:03.54 | brasto | wow, timinator is busy... |
| 21:04.00 | thebigdog | it is really fast development is what people like |
| 21:04.12 | PoeticIntensity | that'd have to be a pretty incredibly massive application to be able to do WYSIWYG with PHP. |
| 21:04.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah but the options are really limited. |
| 21:04.15 | thebigdog | so you get a $10/hr guy doing that and he never has to touch the code |
| 21:04.16 | Lone_Wanderer | With frontpage. |
| 21:04.19 | PoeticIntensity | PHP is incredibly flexible. |
| 21:04.28 | PoeticIntensity | thebigdog, does it work? |
| 21:04.34 | Lone_Wanderer | PI: Yes, it is, but a lot of sites do the same thing over and over and over |
| 21:04.37 | thebigdog | not sure...the app is new |
| 21:04.42 | PoeticIntensity | I see. |
| 21:04.44 | PoeticIntensity | link? |
| 21:04.54 | thebigdog | delphi is borland...and i hate borland...i used all the stuff back in the day |
| 21:05.06 | Lone_Wanderer | What'd be great is to have a PFY doing your RAD, and then have someone who knows their stuff come back and fix up the hitches. |
| 21:05.19 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer not really |
| 21:05.27 | thebigdog | the cost is unreal to deal with |
| 21:05.36 | PoeticIntensity | of developers? |
| 21:05.38 | PoeticIntensity | or the app? |
| 21:05.38 | thebigdog | sometimes easier to write it all from scratch |
| 21:05.42 | PoeticIntensity | I hear ya. |
| 21:05.45 | thebigdog | development cost |
| 21:05.48 | PoeticIntensity | (nod) |
| 21:06.31 | thebigdog | the reason i hate it the most is that the developer *monkey* does not use the technology and everything is up to the rad app |
| 21:06.45 | thebigdog | which obviously does not make decisions based on your app alone |
| 21:06.55 | thebigdog | +1 gentoo |
| 21:08.00 | thebigdog | and you get guys that just use that that dont know about web development...we are starting to see many of them in the java world |
| 21:08.21 | thebigdog | guy rely too much on the tool so if they dont have the tool they cant do it |
| 21:09.11 | thebigdog | s/guy/guys/ |
| 21:09.41 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm thinking that if I use Delphi for PHP at all it'll be for rapidly laying out the outline of the project |
| 21:09.52 | Lone_Wanderer | and then when that's all in place I'll go back in and do the details by hand |
| 21:10.07 | Lone_Wanderer | but I've never used Delphi anything before. Is that a reasonable expectation? |
| 21:10.23 | Lone_Wanderer | rAmen mgeary |
| 21:10.38 | thebigdog | yeah to an extent...however, you can create your own tools for "stubbing" out a project. |
| 21:10.43 | thebigdog | that is kinda the rails idea |
| 21:10.53 | mgeary | yeah, frameworks are different from RAD tools |
| 21:10.54 | Lone_Wanderer | No-one should be using a power development tool until they know the details of what's behind the scenes. |
| 21:10.58 | Lone_Wanderer | scene* |
| 21:10.59 | mgeary | a well thought-out framework can be great |
| 21:11.00 | thebigdog | which i agree with |
| 21:12.06 | thebigdog | i guess i need to try it...but doing gui apps like that too sucks after a while too |
| 21:13.52 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer the big thing is to save money by paying some guy $10/hr to develop your application...then when it breaks your stuff you are calling borland on it |
| 21:14.32 | Lone_Wanderer | thebigdog: Couldn't you save money by having the $10 monkey do it, and then putting in a few hours at the end yourself to clean it all up? |
| 21:15.02 | *** part/#uphpu brasto (n=brasto@71-219-154-236.slkc.qwest.net) |
| 21:15.15 | thebigdog | do you want to be the guy that cleans up crap |
| 21:15.30 | thebigdog | i doubt your star guy will want to do that |
| 21:15.42 | thebigdog | i do that as a consultant...and it sucks |
| 21:15.46 | tierra | that can result in situations that require complete rewrites before you know it |
| 21:16.04 | timinator | for shure |
| 21:16.15 | thebigdog | refactoring nightmares |
| 21:16.59 | thebigdog | it also depends on your development team too |
| 21:17.13 | thebigdog | your ms guys will love it...your opensource guys will hate it |
| 21:17.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought someone said that Delphi was good about not making a mess out of your code? |
| 21:17.45 | thebigdog | i have never found a code generation tool that did not mess up the code |
| 21:18.02 | timinator | does that tool build the DB too? |
| 21:18.08 | thebigdog | meaning, i did not have to go in and change anything |
| 21:18.13 | thebigdog | it might, not sure |
| 21:19.30 | mgeary | has anyone here spent much time working with the google seo tools? doing things like generating sitemap.xml files and such? |
| 21:19.39 | thebigdog | i have |
| 21:20.13 | mgeary | thebigdog: does google automatically look for a sitemap.xml file? Or do you have to explicitly submit one? |
| 21:20.31 | thebigdog | you have to submit if i remember correctly |
| 21:20.47 | thebigdog | timinator, it has a db explorer |
| 21:21.04 | thebigdog | klylix is the linux version of delphi |
| 21:21.07 | thebigdog | or kylix |
| 21:21.11 | thebigdog | cant remember |
| 21:21.13 | timinator | I was just curious how much it tried to manage for ya |
| 21:22.47 | mgeary | does the apache config file support any built-in variables? i'd love it if i could do something like this for my (140+) virtualHosts on a server: "CustomLog /usr/local/apache/logs/%DOMAIN_NAME%.log combined" |
| 21:23.01 | mgeary | make that %SERVERNAME% |
| 21:23.14 | mgeary | does anything like that work? |
| 21:23.27 | thebigdog | timinator, it might have some tools for interbase |
| 21:23.48 | thebigdog | but interbase costs $$$$ |
| 21:24.41 | timinator | well, even if it only manages the code, I could see a $10/hr guy messing things up royally |
| 21:25.43 | timinator | .... if he were only paying attention to a GUI |
| 21:26.42 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: I believe there are options to do things similar to that but I don't recall. |
| 21:26.46 | thebigdog | if you know what you are doing it might be a great tool |
| 21:26.46 | Lone_Wanderer | #apache knows ;) |
| 21:26.59 | mgeary | we'll see about THAT |
| 21:27.43 | thebigdog | i think it is funny that so many give flax to eclipse and zend |
| 21:27.49 | thebigdog | one thing zend is built on eclipse |
| 21:27.56 | thebigdog | and eclipse runs great |
| 21:33.21 | thebigdog | who had the link to the little prankster kid |
| 21:33.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I have an aversion to bells-and-whistles IDEs |
| 21:33.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know why. |
| 21:34.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I did, lemme see if I can find it |
| 21:34.12 | thebigdog | k |
| 21:34.15 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, google "fill your boots man", it'll be on there |
| 21:34.21 | thebigdog | k |
| 21:34.43 | thebigdog | oh not finding it |
| 21:34.50 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 21:34.58 | thebigdog | oh got it |
| 21:35.02 | dataw0lf | you kids |
| 21:35.05 | thebigdog | fill your boots man irish girl |
| 21:35.16 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 21:35.20 | dataw0lf | c'mon now bigdog |
| 21:35.24 | dataw0lf | who're you calling a girl |
| 21:35.26 | timinator | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLQFCR-w_p0 |
| 21:35.29 | dataw0lf | you are the one who uses eclipse |
| 21:35.48 | thebigdog | yeah so |
| 21:35.53 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: My friend is looking for guys to flirt with on facebook. |
| 21:36.05 | Lone_Wanderer | She's VERY Mormon ;) |
| 21:36.07 | dataw0lf | only girls use eclipse |
| 21:36.21 | thebigdog | only bigdogs use eclipse |
| 21:36.32 | dataw0lf | you might be surprised LW a lot of really mormon girls are attracted to me me |
| 21:36.36 | dataw0lf | it's strange |
| 21:36.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I told her I know a guy but that she won't like you, and she said to introduce you two anyway. |
| 21:36.54 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 21:36.54 | timinator | not that strange... you're a bad boy |
| 21:36.54 | thebigdog | lol |
| 21:37.07 | Lone_Wanderer | So - her name is Kristy. |
| 21:37.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Say hello at will. |
| 21:37.32 | dataw0lf | let's see a link, I'm too lazy to go looking for strange mormon girls on the internet |
| 21:37.37 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 21:40.25 | Lone_Wanderer | This should be fun. |
| 21:40.57 | Lone_Wanderer | http://utah.facebook.com/profile.php?id=504882299&highlight&ref=nf |
| 21:42.32 | Lone_Wanderer | This, by the way, is the girl that I've talked about here before. |
| 21:43.22 | dataw0lf | aw I don't want to get involved in that |
| 21:43.35 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 21:43.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I shouldn't have said anything. |
| 21:46.01 | dataw0lf | nah you should've |
| 21:47.18 | wps | I hate 10:30 and 15:45 |
| 21:48.03 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 21:48.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Why, wps? |
| 21:48.17 | wps | because I always get the munchies |
| 21:48.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I just crash. |
| 21:49.31 | PoeticIntensity | ~topic |
| 21:50.19 | wps | jbot, what's the topic? |
| 21:50.43 | wps | jbot, where were you last night? |
| 21:50.51 | PoeticIntensity | jbot, are you a moron? |
| 21:50.54 | mindjuju | yo jbot |
| 21:51.00 | PoeticIntensity | JBOT!!! |
| 21:51.02 | wps | did he pass out? |
| 21:51.05 | *** kick/#uphpu [jbot!n=wps@67.108.236.230.ptr.us.xo.net] by wps (wps) |
| 21:51.05 | *** join/#uphpu jbot (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt) |
| 21:51.05 | *** topic/#uphpu is Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 21:51.05 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v jbot] by ChanServ |
| 21:51.10 | wps | you awake now? |
| 21:51.20 | wps | jbot, get drunk |
| 21:51.21 | mindjuju | yo jbot |
| 21:51.27 | wps | ~bubbles |
| 21:51.28 | jbot | hmm... bubbles is michael jackson's monkey |
| 21:51.35 | wps | ah… there he is |
| 21:51.35 | PoeticIntensity | ROFL |
| 21:51.38 | wps | good 'ole jbot |
| 21:51.42 | mindjuju | jbot, yo |
| 21:51.43 | jbot | Yo wazzaaaap my brotha?! |
| 21:51.53 | wps | jbot, where were you last night |
| 21:52.15 | wps | jbot, where were you last night? |
| 21:52.29 | wps | hmm… thought he knew that one |
| 21:52.39 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot, who is wps? |
| 21:52.42 | jbot | Lone_Wanderer: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:52.43 | wps | thought his response was something about funny about a hangover |
| 21:52.48 | wps | ~wps |
| 21:52.49 | jbot | well, wps is Mr. Sexy Pants |
| 21:53.00 | wps | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:53.01 | jbot | from memory, lone_wanderer is out riding fences, or an acolyte of mindjuju, or heckariffic, or goes through sunflower seeds way too fast |
| 21:53.20 | Lone_Wanderer | heckariffic? |
| 21:53.22 | wps | wow… the length of that one almost rivals bigdogs |
| 21:53.23 | timinator | ~timinator |
| 21:53.24 | jbot | rumour has it, timinator is the person formally known as timothy_, or owns his own business, or likes to wear a stetson and chaps with nothing else on! |
| 21:53.26 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: I am not heckariffic |
| 21:53.28 | jbot | it is my pleasure to meet you, not heckariffic |
| 21:53.35 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: forget Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:53.35 | jbot | i didn't have anything called 'lone_wanderer ' to forget, Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:53.37 | timinator | lol |
| 21:53.43 | wps | ha ha ha |
| 21:53.48 | Lone_Wanderer | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:53.50 | jbot | i heard lone_wanderer is out riding fences, or an acolyte of mindjuju, or heckariffic, or goes through sunflower seeds way too fast |
| 21:54.09 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: No, Lone_Wanderer is goes through sunflower seeds way too fast |
| 21:54.11 | jbot | okay, Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:54.11 | mgeary | jbot: dsgretwer |
| 21:54.26 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: Lone_Wanderer is also an acolyte of mindjuju's musical tastes |
| 21:54.28 | jbot | Lone_Wanderer: okay |
| 21:54.33 | wps | Bowling for soup__ |
| 21:54.34 | wps | oops |
| 21:54.37 | wps | Bowling for soup-- |
| 21:54.42 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: Lone_Wanderer is also not heckariffic (whatever that is) |
| 21:54.43 | jbot | okay, Lone_Wanderer |
| 21:59.10 | herlo | mindjuju: thanx for the invite. I think I can make it next Friday actually... |
| 21:59.26 | mindjuju | sweet! |
| 22:11.23 | thebigdog | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 22:11.23 | jbot | throws dataw0lf's poor little doggy off a cliff |
| 22:11.39 | thebigdog | there is only one bigdog |
| 22:12.00 | thebigdog | ~welcome everyone |
| 22:12.02 | jbot | Welcome to the party, everyone! |
| 22:17.10 | thebigdog | ~topic |
| 22:18.17 | thebigdog | ~topic list |
| 22:19.23 | mgeary | what open-source apache log analysis tool(s) do y'all use? I like FunnelWeb, but i need something that works on FreeBSD, and that apparently doesn't |
| 22:19.38 | thebigdog | ~topic list |
| 22:21.35 | mindjuju | k, email launched |
| 22:21.37 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 22:21.48 | jbot | breaks out the Hoover and sucks up jsmith |
| 22:22.00 | PoeticIntensity | heh... |
| 22:22.05 | wps | geek lunch added to calendar |
| 22:22.14 | PoeticIntensity | ok.... is FunnelWeb like AWStats? |
| 22:22.18 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:22.22 | mgeary | i prefer FunnelWeb |
| 22:22.25 | mgeary | but yeah |
| 22:22.26 | PoeticIntensity | why? |
| 22:22.33 | PoeticIntensity | I use awstats, but I'm totally open to something new. |
| 22:22.43 | PoeticIntensity | any compelling reason to switch? |
| 22:22.46 | mgeary | compare: |
| 22:22.48 | mgeary | http://www.dallaszooed.com/stats/ |
| 22:22.51 | mgeary | (funnelweb) |
| 22:22.52 | PoeticIntensity | ah... |
| 22:22.53 | PoeticIntensity | k |
| 22:22.56 | mgeary | http://ns3744.ovh.net/awstats/awstats.pl?config=destailleur.fr |
| 22:22.58 | mgeary | (awstats) |
| 22:23.23 | mgeary | i could find a way to live with awstats |
| 22:23.35 | mgeary | but if someone can make a case for something else, i'd like to hear it |
| 22:25.28 | mindjuju | google analytics is cool |
| 22:25.34 | PoeticIntensity | eeeeenteresting. |
| 22:26.38 | wps | geek lunch announcement post on website |
| 22:27.01 | herlo | mindjuju: can I bring my son? |
| 22:27.20 | herlo | although I am pretty sure he'll be gone by then, still working out the details... |
| 22:27.33 | mindjuju | fo sho herlo! |
| 22:27.47 | mgeary | also, i had a problem once with an awstats vulnerability |
| 22:27.49 | mgeary | :? |
| 22:27.53 | mgeary | :/ |
| 22:29.29 | seant23 | 02google has a system called analytics which is nice |
| 22:29.34 | seant23 | 02and free |
| 22:29.42 | mindjuju | nothing wrong with free |
| 22:30.31 | mindjuju | actually, we use google too, had no problems |
| 22:30.31 | mgeary | true, though it has overhead involved with iht |
| 22:30.31 | mgeary | it |
| 22:30.31 | seant23 | 02doesn't have an update rate as fast as the commercial sites but collects a lot of stats |
| 22:31.21 | PoeticIntensity | yeah... google analytics, AFAIK, is just a program formerly known as "urchin". They bought em 'out and its now called Google Analytics. |
| 22:31.39 | mindjuju | true that poeticintensity |
| 22:31.57 | PoeticIntensity | it's actually pretty sweet program. |
| 22:32.02 | PoeticIntensity | we used urchin way back when... |
| 22:32.22 | mgeary | the google system is based on Urchin |
| 22:33.19 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, that's cool that you'll be in town for the Geek Lunch! |
| 22:33.44 | dataw0lf | yea dude |
| 22:34.03 | PoeticIntensity | really? |
| 22:34.03 | mindjuju | i guess i'm going to have to back up all that smack talk i done about Halo 2 |
| 22:34.06 | PoeticIntensity | this next one? |
| 22:35.07 | mindjuju | timinator, it's 2 doors down from xmission colo |
| 22:35.18 | mindjuju | just find some reason to go to the colo and you can stay over for luch! |
| 22:36.08 | timinator | wahahaha |
| 22:39.32 | thebigdog | chicka-chicka bount bount |
| 22:39.44 | thebigdog | http://thebigdog.biz/bigdog.mp3 |
| 22:40.35 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer that is great stuff |
| 22:40.38 | wps | ooo… that's a-nice |
| 22:41.02 | wps | look at our home page with all of that sweet, fresh content |
| 22:41.03 | thebigdog | dataw0lf man my hr lady did not come in to day |
| 22:41.06 | Lone_Wanderer | What? Which? |
| 22:41.09 | thebigdog | tomorrow she will be in |
| 22:41.17 | thebigdog | wps url? |
| 22:41.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, the mp3 |
| 22:41.24 | wps | http://uphpu.org/ |
| 22:41.48 | thebigdog | register is spelled wron |
| 22:42.08 | thebigdog | i need to youtube that mp3 |
| 22:42.12 | wps | fixed |
| 22:42.34 | mindjuju | coolio |
| 22:43.54 | thebigdog | well with dw coming in for lunch i need to be there |
| 22:44.23 | mgeary | okay, back to Google Analytics-- |
| 22:45.00 | mgeary | so, here's my context. We have a system wherein different companies have websites. One codebase, several(!) domains. |
| 22:46.15 | mgeary | basically, the clients are willing to pay a small premium for access to some advanced stats. So our initial thought was to simply wrap the funnelweb output into an admin portal. However, the production server is freebsd, so we can't (apparently) use funnelweb. Now.... |
| 22:46.32 | mgeary | ... i have heard good things about Google Analytics, but that would be difficult to wrap into a "no brainer" admin portal |
| 22:46.39 | mgeary | no? |
| 22:47.25 | mgeary | so, i believe i'm pragmatically left with the choice between Webalizer, AWstats, and maybe Analog |
| 22:47.36 | mgeary | but Analog is just ugly |
| 22:47.55 | mgeary | the clients are dentists, so this has gotta be friendly |
| 22:49.38 | mgeary | i guess another scenario would be to use mod_log_sql to put the log entries into mysql, and we could write our own friendly interface(s), but that's more effort than we'd originally planned for |
| 22:49.43 | wps | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.52 | wps | oops… wrong cut-n-paste |
| 22:49.53 | wps | http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1043517 |
| 22:50.06 | mindjuju | Dentist! |
| 22:50.08 | wps | (bowling ball launched from car) |
| 22:50.13 | mindjuju | the dentist song - http://www.jibjab.com/jokebox/jokebox/jibjab/id/575237/jokeid/129141 |
| 23:02.08 | wps | ah… little shop… great times |
| 23:03.40 | mindjuju | yeah, an awesome movie |
| 23:13.33 | beandog | everyone has weird movie taste but me |
| 23:15.01 | thebigdog | no you have wierd movie taste too |
| 23:15.34 | beandog | man that youtube clip is insane |
| 23:18.10 | beandog | I saw 'Breakfast at Tiffanys' the other day ... another "classic" that Id never seen. It was just about the dumbest thing evah. |
| 23:18.21 | macnewbold | mgeary: simple is webalizer much more than awstats, I'd say - too much information in awstats for simple people. |
| 23:19.34 | mgeary | macnewbold: i'm not sure what you're saying in your first clause there |
| 23:19.39 | mgeary | "simple is webalizer much more than awstats" |
| 23:20.20 | beandog | me either |
| 23:20.22 | beandog | and he just left |
| 23:20.29 | mgeary | ah well |
| 23:20.54 | beandog | I'm noble like that. |
| 23:21.00 | mgeary | i'm actually at the point where i'll probably write a cronjob that goes in, zips and retrieves the log files, runs them locally through funnelweb, and puts the resulting files back on the server |
| 23:21.17 | beandog | funnelweb? |
| 23:21.21 | mgeary | yeah |
| 23:21.32 | mgeary | it's the nicest web analyzer i've found that's free |
| 23:21.38 | mgeary | sample output: http://www.dallaszooed.com/stats/Pages.html#HELPCARD |
| 23:21.41 | mgeary | oops |
| 23:21.46 | mgeary | http://www.dallaszooed.com/stats/ |
| 23:22.10 | mgeary | good combination of high-level/low-level in an attractive, accessible layout |
| 23:22.30 | beandog | looks to be more summary based type of thing |
| 23:22.46 | mgeary | no, you can drill in to everything |
| 23:22.46 | beandog | I mean on the front |
| 23:22.48 | beandog | sorry |
| 23:22.59 | beandog | which is still cool |
| 23:23.04 | mgeary | not sure what you mean |
| 23:23.18 | beandog | well it just gives you the lowdown on the front page |
| 23:23.26 | beandog | "The Most ${X}:" |
| 23:23.32 | beandog | then you go in for details |
| 23:23.35 | tierra | hey, that is pretty nice for some simple stats |
| 23:23.56 | mgeary | it's great, really |
| 23:24.13 | mgeary | http://www.quest.com/funnel_web_analyzer/ |
| 23:24.14 | beandog | very cool |
| 23:24.29 | mgeary | i just wish it ran on FreeBSD |
| 23:25.01 | beandog | the linux one doesnt work? |
| 23:25.07 | mgeary | i wouldn't think it would |
| 23:25.13 | mgeary | but i'd love to be proven wrong |
| 23:25.18 | beandog | hmm, Id be the opposite |
| 23:25.25 | mgeary | ? |
| 23:25.31 | beandog | I would think it would |
| 23:25.46 | mgeary | well, i'll give it a try.. |
| 23:25.52 | beandog | just unfoo the rpm |
| 23:25.55 | beandog | poke at it |
| 23:26.36 | mgeary | unfoo? can you be more specific? i've got no real experience with rpms. |
| 23:26.44 | mgeary | unzip? gunzip? |
| 23:26.46 | beandog | rpm2targz foo.rpm |
| 23:26.51 | beandog | then go from there |
| 23:27.11 | mgeary | hrm. don't have that util. would rpm2cpio do the job, d'ya think? |
| 23:27.20 | beandog | uh, dunno |
| 23:28.17 | tierra | I find it annoying that Godaddy's form of "web statistics" is using Analog, which is ridiculously old software that doesn't see much as far as updates often, and doesn't think that Unique Visits is an important number to report |
| 23:28.34 | mgeary | rpm seems to be on the freebsd machine. |
| 23:28.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Woo! I love CSS! It works! |
| 23:28.51 | Lone_Wanderer | (I don't really. I hate it.) |
| 23:29.01 | tierra | not only that, but Godaddy runs version 3.0 or something... where the latest version out is 6.0 |
| 23:29.10 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: it really is a love-hate relationship. |
| 23:29.15 | beandog | as in, I love to hate you. |
| 23:29.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Their Top 20 CD was really great. |
| 23:29.48 | thebigdog | ug |
| 23:30.06 | beandog | Duran Duran needs a good hits CD |
| 23:30.22 | beandog | er, a good CD of all their hits, I mean. |
| 23:30.34 | thebigdog | the later is even better |
| 23:30.39 | thebigdog | or correct in this case |
| 23:30.49 | mgeary | beandog: there is one |
| 23:30.51 | mgeary | Decade |
| 23:31.00 | mgeary | http://www.amazon.com/Decade-Greatest-Hits-Duran/dp/B000002UVM |
| 23:31.02 | beandog | yah I didnt like that one, i want Come Undone |
| 23:31.05 | mgeary | ah |
| 23:31.07 | timinator | I'm out... later guys |
| 23:31.16 | beandog | 160 used & new available from $0.01 |
| 23:31.20 | beandog | how can I refuse? |
| 23:31.26 | Lone_Wanderer | What are they beandog? |
| 23:31.28 | mgeary | for only $5 shipping |
| 23:31.45 | beandog | lets see if this wma works. |
| 23:31.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, that one. |
| 23:31.48 | beandog | I really doubt it. |
| 23:32.02 | beandog | ooh its buffering |
| 23:32.03 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart specs that have heights but not widths for their elements. |
| 23:32.03 | jbot | blames specs that have heights but not widths for all the evil in the world for their elements. |
| 23:32.14 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: which? |
| 23:32.28 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart having to do actual math because someone left the widths out of their specs |
| 23:32.28 | jbot | whips out a sword and chops having to do actual math because someone left the widths out of their specs in half |
| 23:32.28 | Lone_Wanderer | 3form home |
| 23:32.28 | beandog | heh |
| 23:32.38 | beandog | wow |
| 23:32.41 | beandog | either this song really sucks |
| 23:32.43 | beandog | or WMA does. |
| 23:32.54 | Lone_Wanderer | They probably figure "Oh, it's in a different spec, they can just open it up and divide by three." |
| 23:33.11 | beandog | dont you hate having to do math? |
| 23:33.37 | Lone_Wanderer | It's not so bad, but it means I have to go hunting all over for the right numbersr. |
| 23:33.41 | Lone_Wanderer | bnumbers* |
| 23:33.43 | Lone_Wanderer | numbers!!!! |
| 23:33.48 | beandog | I dont understand why Amazon has such a really crappy sampling system for their music. |
| 23:34.14 | beandog | Ive never even heard of any of these songs |
| 23:34.24 | beandog | I should go buy an album by Poison instead |
| 23:34.29 | beandog | really relive those younger days. |
| 23:34.33 | beandog | of 8 years old. |
| 23:35.07 | Lone_Wanderer | 250 |
| 23:35.14 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl |
| 23:35.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I remember when my friend had a Poison poster up in his room |
| 23:35.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought they must be devil worshippers or something. |
| 23:35.35 | beandog | heh |
| 23:35.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh, the naivety. |
| 23:35.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Or however you spell that. |
| 23:36.00 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: where did you grow up? |
| 23:36.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I also thought that jazz music was evil because the face my mom made when I asked her about it was the same she made when I was poking around in an ashtray once |
| 23:36.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Minnesota |
| 23:36.23 | beandog | The thing that really stinks about growing up is looking back at this stuff you used to idolize and realizing how much it sucks. |
| 23:36.30 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl, yeah |
| 23:36.44 | beandog | you like jazz? |
| 23:36.46 | Lone_Wanderer | No. |
| 23:36.50 | beandog | meh. |
| 23:37.07 | beandog | Minnesota? |
| 23:37.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Jazz music doesn't seem to have any real "point" to it. |
| 23:37.10 | beandog | is that a state or a city? |
| 23:37.13 | Lone_Wanderer | It just kind of rambles. |
| 23:37.18 | Lone_Wanderer | >:O |
| 23:37.22 | Lone_Wanderer | err |
| 23:37.23 | Lone_Wanderer | >:( |
| 23:37.38 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: oh |
| 23:37.39 | Lone_Wanderer | It's a state. Minneapolis is the city. |
| 23:37.45 | beandog | I think your definition of jazz is limited then |
| 23:37.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, actually St. Paul. But Minneapolis is the larger of the two. |
| 23:37.53 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: what city? |
| 23:38.09 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: remind me to hook you up with some stuff sometime. |
| 23:38.17 | Lone_Wanderer | okay... |
| 23:38.41 | Lone_Wanderer | And now I get to make Yet Another Placeholder Image. |
| 23:38.49 | Lone_Wanderer | I should just write a script that generates them for me. |
| 23:39.08 | Lone_Wanderer | In fact, I'm going to. It'll take about as long as working with The Retarded Image Editing Program would take. |
| 23:39.22 | beandog | GIMP? |
| 23:39.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, it's also called that. |
| 23:39.46 | beandog | I think it should be The Retarded Image Program for Editing |
| 23:39.51 | beandog | then it can be T.R.I.P.E. |
| 23:40.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh, even better. |
| 23:40.21 | beandog | :) |
| 23:40.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Grr, I shouldn't have given away my old PHP books. |
| 23:40.30 | Lone_Wanderer | They'd actually come in handy for this. |
| 23:40.39 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: "hook up" as in "sample this for longer than 2 seconds like you did my last recommendation, you punk jerk." |
| 23:40.41 | beandog | :) |
| 23:40.52 | Lone_Wanderer | eh? |
| 23:40.56 | beandog | nothing. |
| 23:40.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, the Bluemars thing? |
| 23:41.02 | beandog | no, Beth Quist |
| 23:41.03 | Lone_Wanderer | That you didn't listen to because it was seriously weird? |
| 23:41.08 | beandog | LOL |
| 23:41.10 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't remember Beth Quist. |
| 23:41.19 | beandog | x_- |
| 23:41.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Sorry. |
| 23:41.36 | beandog | I've failed in trying to culturalize you. |
| 23:41.45 | Lone_Wanderer | indeed you have |
| 23:41.51 | beandog | why should I go on? |
| 23:42.23 | Lone_Wanderer | You shouldn't. There's no point. |
| 23:42.25 | Lone_Wanderer | End the pain now. |
| 23:42.28 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: actually, the Beth Quist album is released under a CC license so I can give yo ua copy if you like |
| 23:42.30 | mgeary | is there a practical difference in using scp with the -c (compression) flag to retrieve a file, and gzipping the file before using scp with no flags? |
| 23:42.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I recommend nitrogen asphyxiation. |
| 23:42.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Sure, beandog. |
| 23:43.09 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: can you untar stuff? |
| 23:43.17 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 23:43.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I gotz da yoonicks on dis box, foo! |
| 23:43.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Perfect, a thumbnail generator. |
| 23:44.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Now I just need the one placeholder image (already in place) and I can remake it any size I want. |
| 23:44.18 | beandog | sweet. |
| 23:44.33 | beandog | alright where can I dump this thing. |
| 23:44.47 | Lone_Wanderer | What thing? |
| 23:44.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Sorry, distracted. |
| 23:44.53 | beandog | the .tar |
| 23:44.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh. Um. |
| 23:45.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Can you... no. |
| 23:45.15 | Lone_Wanderer | That works. |
| 23:45.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I was going to say $HOME on tahiti. |
| 23:45.26 | beandog | alright |
| 23:45.27 | beandog | in clients |
| 23:45.31 | Lone_Wanderer | lol ok |
| 23:45.33 | beandog | Just delete it when you're done |
| 23:45.44 | beandog | LOOK WERE SHARING MUSIC! |
| 23:46.00 | beandog | see, nobody cares. |
| 23:46.03 | Lone_Wanderer | What's it called? |
| 23:46.09 | beandog | hold on I just lost it. |
| 23:46.33 | beandog | woo, NFS copied that at 25 megabytes/ second |
| 23:46.40 | beandog | Beth_Quist_Silver.tar |
| 23:46.49 | beandog | at least I think its released under CC |
| 23:46.57 | beandog | if not, Im going to feel morally obligated to purchas a copy for you. |
| 23:47.15 | Lone_Wanderer | done |
| 23:47.44 | beandog | I even included a JPEG of the album for your iPod |
| 23:47.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Sweet, my headache is almost two hours late today. Must've done something right. |
| 23:48.03 | beandog | does that mean you dont like it? |
| 23:48.09 | Lone_Wanderer | lol no |
| 23:48.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I get a headache and run out of energy every day at about 4 pm |
| 23:48.26 | Lone_Wanderer | but today it's just hitting me now |
| 23:48.36 | mgeary | beandog: |
| 23:48.42 | beandog | yessir |
| 23:48.51 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: thats a little odd. |
| 23:48.55 | beandog | the headache part, at least. |
| 23:49.01 | beandog | maybe you need glasses |
| 23:49.07 | mgeary | http://166.70.44.60/download/music/Come_Undone.mp3 |
| 23:49.11 | beandog | wearing mine sometimes helps |
| 23:49.23 | beandog | mgeary: eek, evil unauthorized sharing? |
| 23:49.28 | beandog | :) |
| 23:49.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm near sighted, and the monitor is well within what I can see. I think it's caffeine withdrawl. |
| 23:49.30 | mgeary | no, not a bit |
| 23:49.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Is this jazz? It doesn't sound like jazz. |
| 23:49.42 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: no, its Indian ... something. |
| 23:49.45 | Lone_Wanderer | It sounds like Enigma, vaguely. |
| 23:49.46 | Lone_Wanderer | k cool |
| 23:49.59 | beandog | electro-Balkan/Indian meets New Age |
| 23:50.04 | beandog | hows that for a genre? |
| 23:50.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Well I like it so far. |
| 23:50.14 | beandog | the vocals are amazing |
| 23:50.20 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 23:51.09 | beandog | theres one ... hold on |
| 23:52.23 | beandog | well, theyre all good :) |
| 23:55.08 | beandog | http://www.woot.com/Blog/BlogEntry.aspx?BlogEntryId=2226 |
| 23:55.10 | beandog | that thing is UGLY |
| 23:55.17 | beandog | thie pictures are great though |
| 23:56.00 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, that looks good |
| 23:56.49 | beandog | heh |
| 23:56.51 | beandog | pretty funny reading. |
| 23:58.34 | mgeary | is the only way to gzip something while leaving the original intact to do something like "gzip -c somefile > newfile.gz" ? |
| 23:59.29 | beandog | to gzip it? |
| 23:59.37 | beandog | wouldnt you cat it |
