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00:21.49PoeticIntensityI'm out.
00:21.51PoeticIntensityta-ta, all!
00:22.04mindjujucya
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01:47.27PoeticIntensitybeanie!
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05:14.28beandogoy
05:14.41beandogthis ebuild took me like 2 weeks to put together
05:14.43beandogbut its finally DONE
05:17.09mindjujucongrats
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14:46.44Utah_DaveHas anybody here had any success deploying computer images with open source software? Specifically I'm looking for software to clone hard drives
14:47.04Utah_DaveI'm trying partimage fromthe "system rescue cd" right now
14:50.03mgearyhave you tried using rsync?
14:53.29Utah_Daveto clone hard drives?
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14:55.58mgearyyeah
14:56.14thebigdogi have see people use dd alot
14:56.40thebigdoglike this: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdc
14:57.03mgearyis that substantively different than rsync?
14:58.15thebigdogyou might be able to use the dump and restore commands too..but not sure might be worth looking into
14:59.02thebigdogmgeary rsync should work too
14:59.28mgearyyeah, just not sure if/how dd is different from rsync
14:59.56thebigdogUtah_Dave, have you checkout ghost for linux that might be a nice tool too
15:00.25thebigdogdd is just a utility to convert and copy files
15:00.32_psychic_rsync can miss things depending on the file system
15:00.53_psychic_like with Mac, it doesn't always transfer resource forks and the like
15:00.58mgearyyou can control that
15:01.03mgearywith either -E or -eahfs
15:01.10mgearydepending on your rsync version
15:01.23_psychic_I don't think rsync goes bit by bit on the disk though
15:01.23mgeary--eahfs, that is
15:08.41tierradd is a utility to copy entire partitions bit for bit... it can save those partitions to files on another partition, or you can pipe it over network using ncat, or do whatever with it from there... but I think it's misleading to call it a file converter
15:09.06mgearytierra: that's useful info, thanks
15:09.13thebigdogdd can copy and convert files too
15:09.34mgearywhat kind of conversion are we talking about?
15:09.56mgeary(that dd can do)
15:10.50tierrayou could use it for backup, but it'd be less efficient than rsync... and while rsync isn't going to handle resource forks (unless it's copying to another filesystem with support for them I think), there's usually nothing important stored in them anyway
15:10.55thebigdogcheck man page on dd...it lists the conversions there...like ascii to ebcdic (ibm) i have used
15:11.29tierrabut where Utah_Dave is talking about deploying disk images, I think dd is exactly the type of tool he's looking for
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15:12.15mgearytierra: resource forks do contain critical information for executables, but they can be preserved with the right flags
15:13.27_psychic_resource forks are a big deal on HFS systems
15:13.41_psychic_applications won't run unless they are correct, in some cases
15:17.12dataw0lf_dd is extremely inefficient, but it works.
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15:25.02_psychic_I use it to clone drives.
15:29.23dataw0lfas do many people.  But it is inefficient.
15:30.22_psychic_dataw0lf: what do you use?
15:31.34dataw0lfdepends on the situation, rsync, cpio, or dd
15:33.58thebigdogdd i used a lot with floppy
15:33.59dataw0lfnoone here can match my hacker flow
15:34.05dataw0lfyou use tar; I use cpio!
15:34.08dataw0lf>_>
15:34.09dataw0lf<_<
15:34.36_psychic_it allows you to add to a tar?
15:34.44jsmithBut did you use compress after you ran cpio?
15:35.01thebigdogoracle likes to use cpio too
15:35.16thebigdogthat is where i got introduced to using it
15:38.08dataw0lfhttp://www.airguitarnation.com/new/
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15:39.11thebigdogthe video clip is great
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15:42.42beandoghuzzah!
15:42.52beandogthebigdog: wanna do me a favor and try the new mplayer?
15:43.00thebigdogi can tonight
15:43.04beandogsweet.
15:43.10beandogand mindjuju
15:43.10thebigdogjust shoot me an email
15:43.13PoeticIntensityyou bet.
15:43.31thebigdogbeandog, will you be on irc tonight?
15:43.42beandogunless Ive got a sexy date
15:43.50thebigdogso that is a yes
15:44.23PoeticIntensityLOL
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15:44.45mgearywhew
15:44.54dataw0lfit's ok, I'll date you beandog.  100 bucks an hour.
15:45.06beandogwow thats cheaper than my last one
15:46.08PoeticIntensityis mplayer stable?
15:46.12PoeticIntensitythe new one?
15:46.56beandognot yet
15:47.00beandogit is a security fix though
15:47.07beandogso it will go stable pretty darn soon, once I work the kinks otu
15:47.08beandogout
15:47.14beandogwhich is why I need people testing it asap
15:50.04thebigdogi dont know..i dont want my crap broken
15:50.07thebigdog:)
15:50.27thebigdogdoes that include fixes to mencoder?
15:52.29beandogyah
15:52.38beandogIve been using svn for ... a very long time now
15:52.40beandoghavent ever had problems
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15:56.26dataw0lfanyone see Gore's presentation to Congress?
15:56.29dataw0lfhe rocked the House.
15:56.59thebigdognope...i want to see the documentary he did
15:57.12wpsrandom illustration for the day: http://www.mixedgreens.com/artweb/html/detail2.asp?pic=KROU.0051_xl.jpg&w=581&h=820
15:58.45wpsthis is my favorite: http://www.mixedgreens.com/artweb/html/detail2.asp?pic=KROU.0054_xl.jpg&w=581&h=820
15:59.30Lone_WandererWhat did he present on DW?
15:59.40dataw0lfglobal warming
15:59.59Lone_Wandererwps: that's just a blank page with "click to close" on it.
16:00.05Lone_WandererAnd clicking it doesn't actually do anything.
16:00.28dataw0lfhttp://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070322-105006-6515r
16:00.28dataw0lfhehe
16:00.28wpssorry
16:00.44wpshttp://www.mixedgreens.com/artweb/publish/worksimages/KROU.0051_xl.jpg
16:00.49wpshttp://www.mixedgreens.com/artweb/publish/worksimages/KROU.0054_xl.jpg
16:01.46Lone_WandererI must admit, I don't entirely see the point of either of those.
16:02.57wpshttp://www.mixedgreens.com/artweb/publish/worksimages/KRoulner_9812_xl.jpg
16:03.14Lone_Wandererdag nabbit, Firefox is acting up
16:05.38dataw0lfCan anyone explain to me the reasoning behind NOT transcripting, binding by oath, and making public any interviews with White House aides?
16:05.38dataw0lfI'm just confused as to what the argument against it is.
16:06.09thebigdogplausible deniability
16:06.13thebigdogi love that quote
16:06.17dataw0lfwell, yes.  That's obviously a _real_ reason.
16:06.29dataw0lfI'm talking about the argument the White House is giving.
16:07.42dataw0lfI'm not trying to troll here, I'm just wondering what exactly the position is.
16:08.11mindjujufair enough.  Because it's politics.  politics that every politician has played since FDR
16:08.28mindjujuthat's the simple of it
16:08.42mindjujuWhitewater investigation was getting too hot, so Clinton did it
16:08.50mindjujuThis investigation is getting too hot, so Bush did it
16:08.57mindjujujust simple politics
16:08.58beandogwhat happened?
16:10.42mindjujuwell, beandog, the point right now is why won't Bush allow anybody to interview on record his staff in regards to the recent firings
16:10.43PoeticIntensitybeandog: compiling now.
16:10.51dataw0lfWhitewater never got hot.  It was a misguided investigation that wasted eight years of investigative effort, and tens of millions of taxpayer dollars.
16:11.11beandogmindjuju: hmm.. odd.
16:11.19mindjujuyeah, misguided because the people who were moments from making an indicment were canned by the process
16:11.26PoeticIntensityhow in the heck can you prove that, dataw0lf?
16:11.32mindjujuthat's why everybody BUT the clintons got into court and got in trouble
16:11.35dataw0lfPoeticIntensity: I don't have to.  Starr and Ray did.
16:11.46PoeticIntensityof course they did.... that's why there's no debate now.
16:11.55dataw0lfafter EIGHT years of investigations, they dropped the charges.
16:12.07mindjujuyeah, because the people got canned
16:12.22mindjujuhey, we could debate this all day but facts are real simple on this dataw0lf
16:12.32mindjujuthey didn't want to get busted
16:12.50mindjujulet's not fool ourselves into thinking Bush is a Devil and the Dems are perfect
16:12.58dataw0lfhttp://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/09/20/whitewater/
16:13.04dataw0lfI never said that the Dems are perfect.
16:13.07dataw0lfThey're idiots too.
16:13.12dataw0lfBut Whitewater is a terrible example of that.
16:13.16mindjujuGreat, let's quote Ted Turner
16:13.30beandog"This office has determined that the evidence was insufficient to prove to a jury beyond a reasonable doubt .."
16:13.34beandogisnt it the jury's job to decide?
16:13.35mindjujuyou don't see me quoting Rupert Murdock, so keep that CNN stuff out of here
16:13.48dataw0lfbeandog: no, it's the prosecutors.
16:14.05dataw0lfmindjuju: hey, ok.
16:14.14beandogman, politics is insane
16:14.27beandogIm having enough troubles with CSS
16:14.32mindjujuperfect point beandog
16:14.33Lone_Wandererbeandog: If it's obvious that you don't have enough evidence to convict someone, there's no reason to take it to trial.
16:14.40PoeticIntensitynah... politics isn't...  It's empassioned people who distort the truth to their beliefs that is insane.
16:14.51mindjujupolitics is like making sausage, you don't want to watch
16:14.55beandogmindjuju: lmao
16:15.07dataw0lfwe have a duty as Americans to watch.
16:15.10PoeticIntensitymindjuju: good point.
16:15.22mindjujuyeah, dataw0lf, you watch, but your view point is pretty skewed
16:15.31dataw0lfmy viewpoint is skewed?
16:15.39mindjujuyup
16:15.45Lone_WandererYou WILL watch this sausage factory's production line!  It is your DUTY as an AMERICAN!
16:15.59PoeticIntensitymakes me crazy watching.  I'd rather listen.
16:16.00dataw0lfyou don't see me supporting illegal immigration, or welfare, or anything like that.
16:16.06dataw0lfI make decisions based on facts
16:16.12dataw0lfYou maintain a conservative viewpoint on everything.  Not me.
16:16.21PoeticIntensityyou go, boy.
16:16.28mindjujupsh, you don't listen long enough to know what I think
16:16.37dataw0lfSure I do.
16:16.40mindjujui am an enviromentalist, but not an extremist
16:16.52mindjujui don't pollute, i carpool where and when i can
16:16.54PoeticIntensitybeandog: mplayer finished compiling.
16:17.04beandogwell thats good, some were having problems with just that
16:17.09Lone_Wanderermindjuju: Are you familiar with Patrick Moore?  Not the astronomer, the Greenpeace founder.
16:17.12PoeticIntensitynah... worked great.
16:17.15dataw0lfhonestly, though, mindjuju, I have this brain lock that comes on whenever anyone argues that evolution isn't a fact.
16:17.23dataw0lfit just comes on, I can't take people seriously after that.
16:17.34mindjujuyeah, but what you don't realize with evolution
16:17.42beandogwho really cares, anyway
16:17.44dataw0lfbecause, really, it proves that your viewpoint is so skewed, you won't listen to facts or reason.
16:17.45Lone_WandererIt's both a fact and a theory.
16:17.50dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: indeed.
16:17.53mindjujuis that there are as many unprovable things in evolution as there are in religion
16:17.53beandogLone_Wanderer: yah
16:18.04mindjujuthat you are taking evolution on as much faith as I'm taking Deity
16:18.04dataw0lfmindjuju: you must be kidding me.
16:18.11mindjujuno kidding here
16:18.14dataw0lfyou. must. be. kidding. me.
16:18.19Lone_WandererWikipedia's got a great article that explains the difference between scientific fact and theory, and how evolution (and gravity) can be both.
16:18.27mindjujuyeah, read it
16:18.37beandogLone_Wanderer: have you ever seen ... ah whats it called.  Einsteins Perfect Theory?
16:18.39beandogsomething like that
16:18.43Lone_WandererI haven't.
16:18.43beandoga NOVA special
16:18.44dataw0lfreligion and faith are not an observable phenomenon.
16:18.53beandogI would disagree with that one
16:18.54PoeticIntensitywha.....?
16:19.01PoeticIntensitywholeheartedly disagree.
16:19.12dataw0lfif you wish to try to prove it, be my guess.
16:19.14dataw0lfguest*
16:19.20beandogditto :)
16:19.23Lone_WandererHow can you disagree with that?  The entire point of faith is that it's believing in something you have no evidence for.
16:19.31mindjujuexactly
16:19.33dataw0lfthat is the exact definition of faith.
16:19.42dataw0lfthere's no evidence whatsoever.
16:19.43mindjujuthat's my whole point.  Is that you don't have the entire process of evolution down
16:19.47mindjujuthere are still missing links
16:19.51dataw0lfthere is, however, evidence for evolution being a fact.
16:19.53Lone_WandererWhich means that the things you believe in are not observable phenomenae.
16:19.56mindjujuand yet, you over look it on scientific faith
16:20.04dataw0lfwe don't even have the entire process of gravity down
16:20.06mindjujuk, and you know what, that works for you
16:20.09Lone_Wanderermindjuju: You're mistaken, I'm afraid.
16:20.11dataw0lfbut we know it's a fact
16:20.11mindjujuthat's GREAT!
16:20.16dataw0lfit's the theory that explains it that changes
16:20.17beandoghttp://www.amazon.com/NOVA-Physics-Elegant-Universe-Beyond/dp/B000C8STPI/
16:20.19mindjujui don't mind that that works for you
16:20.19beandogLone_Wanderer: ^^
16:20.21dataw0lfand that's the whole point of science.
16:20.23mindjujui don't try to convert you
16:20.33mindjujubut you, on the other hand
16:20.38Lone_WandererThere are facts (the fossil record, etc.), and the theory of evolution is the best explanation we have for why these facts exist.
16:20.39mindjujuhave a bone to pick with religion
16:20.43mindjujuyou can't leave it alone
16:20.44dataw0lfyou can't compare science and religion.
16:20.46dataw0lfI'm sorry.
16:20.47mindjujuso you jab and jab and jab
16:20.50dataw0lfyou lose, not me.
16:20.54mindjujupsh
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16:20.55mindjujuplease
16:21.04mindjujujsut the other day, you said that i was prolly right on evolution
16:21.11mindjujuwe could go back in the log and look and see
16:21.12dataw0lfI have nothing against religion.
16:21.19Lone_WandererThere's no faith involved in the theory of evolution, because nobody is asked to believe things for which there is no evidence.
16:21.37dataw0lfit's when people go back and try to do as you do (argue science versus religion) it's where I get problems
16:21.46dataw0lfmindjuju: that was a lead to an argument
16:21.51dataw0lf"you might be right on global warming"
16:21.57dataw0lf"you might be right on evolution, heck"
16:22.01mindjujui didn't go back to try to prove Religion of Science
16:22.02Lone_WandererAnd, if evidence is uncovered next Wednesday that contradicts the current theory of evolution, scientists will throw out the parts of it that don't fit and re-evaluate their position.
16:22.06mindjujuyou did!
16:22.16mindjujui'm leaving the issue alone
16:22.17dataw0lfReligion of Science?
16:23.16Lone_WandererDawkins does a very good job of demonstrating the difference between science and religion.
16:23.17dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: I have.
16:23.24Lone_WandererI'm sure *you* have :
16:23.24dataw0lfDawkins == genius
16:23.25Lone_Wanderer:p
16:23.45PoeticIntensitywow.... that was like a brush fire.
16:23.54PoeticIntensitycame in fast, went out fast.
16:23.56PoeticIntensity:)
16:24.23mindjujueh, i'm not really in the mood to go into this big guns
16:24.23Lone_WandererThere's really not much that can be said on the topic that hasn't been said already.
16:25.06Lone_WandererSomeone needs to write an OS with a browser built into it.
16:25.12Lone_WandererOr, better yet, an OS that's nothing but a browser.
16:25.17PoeticIntensityyou blaspheme.
16:25.22PoeticIntensityWindows already did it.
16:25.26PoeticIntensity;-)
16:25.29Lone_WandererYeah, well, Windows sucks.
16:25.36PoeticIntensitytrue dat.
16:25.40Lone_WandererWhen I say "a browser" I mean "Firefox".
16:25.42PoeticIntensityyou didn't say it had to rock.
16:25.46PoeticIntensityahhh...
16:25.51Lone_Wanderer;)
16:26.14Lone_WandererYou can use Google apps for your spreadsheet and word processing software.
16:26.49dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: You ever read the Fawn Brodie biography on Joseph Smith?
16:27.21Lone_Wandererno
16:27.52dataw0lfNo Man Knows My History, excellent book.
16:28.17Lone_WandererI tend to question the motives of people who write about the history of the LDS church, regardless of their position.
16:28.40dataw0lfI verociously read any book on religious leaders and on religion
16:28.51dataw0lfobjective and subjective books
16:28.55Lone_WandererNot that I throw everything out.  But it's a very emotionally, politically, etc. charged subject.
16:29.09Lone_Wanderermaking it hard to be objective, even if that's your goal
16:29.31dataw0lfread any Bertrand Russel?
16:29.35dataw0lfRussell*
16:29.40Lone_Wandererthere was one published recently about how Mormonism is a culture of violence, based on the mountain meadow massacre and the problems with polyg cults in Utah
16:29.56dataw0lfUnder The Banner of Heaven?
16:30.00Lone_Wandereryes
16:30.06Lone_WandererI think he's really stretching his facts
16:30.10Lone_Wandererbut, I haven't read it
16:30.11dataw0lfKrakauer, one of my favorite authors.
16:30.16dataw0lfReally?  I thought it was an excellent book.
16:30.24dataw0lfAnd it didn't make it out to be a religion of violence at all.
16:30.36Lone_Wanderercool
16:30.52Lone_Wandererthat's what the reviews I read said
16:30.55dataw0lfalthough the LDS church took it that way.  But they don't like any sort of dissension, really.
16:31.08Lone_WandererNo religion does.
16:31.14Lone_WandererNot even Pastafarians.
16:31.17dataw0lfindeed.
16:31.55dataw0lfread Krakauer's response to the LDS response to his book
16:31.57dataw0lfhttp://www.randomhouse.com/features/krakauer/response.html
16:33.21Lone_WandererUmm.
16:33.41Lone_WandererAmazon says that the subtitle of Under the Banner of Heaven is "A Story of Violent Faith"...
16:33.52dataw0lfspeaking of fundamentalist mormons
16:34.27dataw0lfthe whole point of the book is to look at how fundamentalist mormons came about, and their relationship with the LDS church as a whole.  Krakauer greatly respects Mormons, he grew up with em.
16:34.53Lone_Wandererok
16:36.11thebigdoglol "growing up with em"...make it sounds like a rash or something
16:36.48dataw0lfreally? Personally, I think growing up in a mormon neighborhood would probably be extremely beneficial.
16:36.56dataw0lfWith their focus on family and community values.
16:37.31dataw0lfwhich, again, imho, outshines most other religions in their seriousness take on it.  Most LDS people don't do lip service to their values, like many large religious bodies do nowadays.  They live them.
16:38.00dataw0lfwhich I think is extremely respectable.
16:39.54timinatorhey all
16:40.13dataw0lfmorning
16:40.27Lone_WandererOh he's a lumberjack and he's okay!
16:40.32timinatorLOL.
16:40.40timinatorgotta play that song now... 1 sec
16:41.19timinatorno wonder it's quiet
16:41.57timinatoris there a CSS tag that'll format all <input> tags?
16:42.06timinatorlike there is for the <a> tag?
16:43.05dataw0lfum, input
16:43.49Lone_Wandererinput { color: fuschia; }
16:43.51Lone_Wanderer;)
16:44.06timinatorhmm... I must have has something else keeping it from working then... sorry
16:44.07dataw0lfinput { background-color: HOTPINK; }
16:44.42Lone_Wanderertiminator: I *highly* recommend using Firebug (if you're on Firefox, and if you're not you should be)
16:44.48wpsalright… one more vote
16:44.52Lone_Wanderer</propaganda>
16:44.55wpsblack? http://uphpu.org/
16:45.11timinatoron Firefox w/ Firebug.... love it
16:45.21Lone_Wandererkk cool
16:45.30wpsor white? http://uphpu.org/
16:45.45dataw0lfwhite +1
16:45.46Lone_WandererI just started using it last week or so, it's made working with CSS absurdly easy.
16:45.56wpsI like the white one better
16:45.57timinatorLW: for shure
16:45.58Lone_Wandererwhite
16:46.00wpseasier to read
16:46.03dataw0lfya
16:46.15wpsk
16:46.18wpsthanks
16:46.29Lone_WandererHas anyone ever given a presentation on how to use a javascript/ajax/etc. toolkit?
16:46.45Lone_Wanderer'cause it just occurred to me that I could really use such a presentation.
16:54.23thebigdogwps those message titles are huge
16:55.04wpstoo much for ya?
16:55.14thebigdogthey are big
16:55.22wpsagreed :)
16:58.55thebigdogi do like the white though
17:03.11dataw0lfhttp://urlimport.codeshift.net/UrlImport
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17:15.26Lone_WandererAs long as we're on (or only briefly off of, anyway) the subject
17:15.35Lone_Wandererit really bugs me when Mormons say "the Church is true"
17:15.48Lone_Wandererbecause how can an institution be true or false?
17:16.07Lone_WandererStatements and beliefs can be true or false.
17:16.39Utah_Davewps:  white++
17:17.08Lone_WandererThe doctrine of a church can be true or false.  But the church itself is either, depending on the context, a building or an institution.
17:17.20Lone_Wanderer(end rant)
17:17.41wpsk
17:19.19wpsit's pretty sweet that we have archive back to jan of 2004
17:19.20wpsgo us
17:19.29dataw0lfgo you
17:20.48wpsI hate it when people write classes and IDs with dashes instead of underscores
17:20.58wpsmostly because you cannot double click on them to select them in your editor
17:21.07wpsyou have to click and drag across to select it
17:21.17wpspage-nav-title should be page_nav_title
17:22.24wps~lart spammers
17:29.21mindjujuLone_Wanderer , I'm doing Dojo Toolkit in May
17:30.41Lone_Wanderermindjuju: Yay, I love you forever!
17:30.58mindjujui think you'll love dojo.  it's server side , language agnostic
17:31.02mindjujuyou can use it with anything
17:31.12Lone_Wandereryeah, I've looked at several and I prefer dojo
17:31.19Lone_WandererI just am not sure how to actually *use* it
17:31.27Lone_Wandererand I'm too lazy to figure it out
17:31.34mindjujuyeah, there in lies the problem, poor documentation, great engineers
17:31.49mindjujuthey write cool example pages, you just have to rip them apart to see how everything works
17:32.18Lone_WandererI gather that you're supposed to sub-class (or extend, or whatever) their classes to get them to work
17:32.31PoeticIntensityuhh... what does firebug do?
17:32.42PoeticIntensityI'm clicking firebug in menus and..... nothing is happening.
17:32.46PoeticIntensity.............>?
17:32.49mindjujudataw0lf, sorry i was such a grouch this morn.  I'm having serious padawan issues and part of me wants to can him, part of me wants to kick him in the shin
17:32.51timinatorit breaks apart the page.... shows all sorts of things
17:33.05Lone_WandererPoeticIntensity: right click something on the page, and click "inspect element"
17:33.07PoeticIntensityuhhh..... mine isn't.
17:33.13PoeticIntensityI did that, too.
17:33.16PoeticIntensitynothing happened.
17:33.18PoeticIntensity:-?
17:33.19Lone_WandererYou should get a thing on the bottom that shows the HTML structure, and on the right, the CSS.
17:33.20Lone_WandererWeird.
17:33.22Lone_WandererTry another page?
17:33.29PoeticIntensityk
17:33.57PoeticIntensityyeah... it's not doing jack.
17:34.03Lone_WandererDoes it have Open Firebug in the Firebug menu?
17:34.04PoeticIntensityalthough all the menus claim it's turned on.
17:34.04mindjujuLone_Wanderer , not really extend what they've written
17:34.06PoeticIntensityyup.
17:34.11Lone_WandererThat's weird.
17:34.16Lone_WandererWhat version of FF?
17:34.17PoeticIntensityand it's checked.
17:34.19timinatoron mine, there's a green checkbox on the right side of the status bar.... click on that if it's there
17:34.21PoeticIntensityuhhh....
17:34.23mindjujuit's more of piping your data into the right spot
17:34.28PoeticIntensity2.0.0.2
17:34.37Lone_WandererSo you should be fine there.
17:34.39PoeticIntensityI see the checkbox.
17:34.44PoeticIntensitywhen clicked, does nothing.
17:34.48timinatorhuh
17:34.49Lone_Wanderer:(
17:35.04Lone_WandererOh cool, I didn't know that that's what the check box did.
17:35.09PoeticIntensity"Open Firebug In new window" does nothing as well.
17:35.19PoeticIntensityhrmmm....
17:35.21timinatormine opens a window with several tabs.... HTML, HTML, CSS, Script, DOM, Net
17:35.26timinatorhuh
17:35.29PoeticIntensityright... I've seen the screenshots.
17:35.35timinatork
17:35.39PoeticIntensityI'd love to restart it, but... I've got about 2000 tabs opened.
17:35.51Lone_Wandererbookmark tabs
17:35.57Lone_Wandererinto a new folder.  then reopen them all.
17:36.04Lone_WandererDO EET!
17:37.28PoeticIntensitydone.
17:37.38PoeticIntensitynothing changed upon reboot.
17:37.50Lone_WandererWeird.
17:38.22timinatorif you go to Tools -> Firebug.... is it Disabled?
17:38.32Lone_WandererLast computer I tried to fix, I ended up reformatting the backup drive instead of the one I was supposed to.
17:38.40PoeticIntensityfirebug version = 1.01
17:38.41Lone_WandererSo I'm taking a vacation from that for a while.
17:38.50PoeticIntensityit isn't disabled.
17:39.25PoeticIntensityyeah... this sucks.
17:39.40PoeticIntensityI've got Web Developer installed, and it works perfectly.
17:40.04PoeticIntensitypoopsicle.
17:40.40timinatoryou know they have a newer version of FF
17:40.48PoeticIntensitynope.
17:41.17timinatornot a major release.... 2.0.0.3
17:41.34timinatorbut perhaps that's the prob
17:41.55PoeticIntensityalright... firebug is uninstalled.
17:41.57PoeticIntensity:-T
17:42.07timinatorwhat OS are you running?
17:43.15PoeticIntensityGentoo Linux\
17:46.57PoeticIntensitywell that sucks.
17:47.04PoeticIntensityI installed it again....  Same thing.
17:51.47PoeticIntensityGAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!
17:56.18Lone_WandererWhere in the PHP manual are the csv-related functions?
17:56.38_psy-lunchfgetcsv
17:56.47Lone_Wandererfile i/o then?
17:57.31Lone_Wanderergrr, they only have functions to read and write CSV's to a file
17:57.33Lone_Wandereroh well
17:58.20PoeticIntensityok...
17:58.25PoeticIntensityit doesn't work on my laptop, either.
17:58.30Lone_WandererMaybe there's more in the string functions.
17:58.30PoeticIntensitysomethin's funkay.
17:58.35Lone_WandererIt hates you, PI.
17:58.54PoeticIntensity~cry PoeticIntensity
17:59.01PoeticIntensity~hate firebug
17:59.05PoeticIntensity~lart firebug
18:00.56jsmithWhat's wrong with firebug?
18:02.08Lone_WandererIt won't work on his komputarmachine
18:04.09thebigdogPoeticIntensity, what are you trying to do?
18:14.00Lone_Wandererwhile ($r = mysql_fetch_assoc($q)) {
18:14.04Lone_WandererDoes anyone see any problem with that?
18:14.16Lone_Wanderer$q is a valid result with 30 rows in it.
18:14.52timinatorDo this:   while($r = mysql_fetch_array($q, MYSQL_ASSOC)) {
18:15.30Lone_Wanderersame result.  doesn't enter the loop.
18:17.05Lone_WandererNothing in the error log, no warnings or notices or anything.  This is quite peculiar.
18:17.21Lone_WandererEspecially because
18:17.23Lone_Wandereroh
18:17.24Lone_WandererDUH
18:19.10Lone_Wandererhrmm.  doesn't work.
18:20.53Lone_Wanderermysql_data_seek(resource ID, row number) - in case anyone's interested
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18:25.07thebigdogjdog is back from lunch i see
18:26.08jsmith~lart stupid internet connections
18:29.29mindjujujbot, yo
18:29.31jbotYo wazzaaaap my brotha?!
18:30.25mindjuju~thebigdog
18:30.26jbotmethinks thebigdog is a guroob, or the sql guru
18:30.44mindjujujbot, thebigdog is also a GWAR Groupie
18:30.45jbotmindjuju: okay
18:30.50mindjuju~thebigdog
18:30.51jbotfrom memory, thebigdog is a guroob, or the sql guru, or a GWAR Groupie
18:30.52jsmith~jsmith
18:30.53jboti guess jsmith is perpetually hungry, or the author of Asterisk: The Future of Telephony
18:30.54Lone_WandererHmm.
18:31.08Lone_WandererIs there a clean, easy way to put quotes around every element of an array?
18:31.26Lone_WandererThat is, to prepend and append " to each element
18:31.27thebigdogexample?
18:31.49Lone_WandererSo an array with ('apple', 'bob') will have ('"apple"', '"bob"')
18:32.01Lone_WandererI just want to make a csv out of an array, and quote all the strings.
18:32.12thebigdogyeah you could do that
18:32.18jsmithLone_Wanderer: Modern versions of PHP have a CSV function
18:32.37Lone_WandererThey have getcsv and putcsv but those require writing to a file.
18:32.41Lone_WandererWhich is not what I'm doing.
18:34.00Lone_WandererI could just implode on "." and then add a " to the beginning and end of each line.
18:34.37thebigdogsure
18:34.52Lone_WandererSeems sloppy, but whatever.
18:35.36thebigdogor u could loop through it and add the quotes
18:36.35Lone_WandererThat's probably a better idea.  Because by just shotgunning the quotes into the elements, it quotes empty elements, which isn't very sophisticated.
18:38.04thebigdogor you can write your own c function for php
18:38.19thebigdoglw_array_to_csv()
18:38.41Lone_WandererOf course that introduces the problem of knowing if I'm on the last element, 'cause we don't want to add a comma then...
18:38.57Lone_WandererYeah, never mind.  We can deal with quoted blanks.
18:39.20thebigdogif you do a for loop and have the index then you can tell
18:40.47Lone_WandererI could ::p
18:40.47Lone_Wanderer-:
18:40.47thebigdogyou just need a little more logic is all
18:40.47thebigdogbut it is clean
18:40.48dataw0lfoooh, I want to see Skinwalkers
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19:26.36thebigdog~wiki mummer
19:27.12mindjujucurious
19:27.26_psychic_~wiki COPA
19:27.32thebigdog~wiki galoshins
19:27.38_psychic_:/
19:27.50_psychic_~wiki cp80
19:27.51thebigdog~wiki galoshin
19:28.22mindjujufunny, i just heard of CP80 the other day
19:28.30mindjujuNot sure that'll work
19:29.02_psychic_http://smallplates.johndavidanderson.net/2007/03/20/why-cp80-wont-work/
19:29.04_psychic_:)
19:29.54_psychic_its headed up by the SCO chairman
19:30.06mindjujuyeah, i saw that
19:30.16dataw0lfyea, it's the most retarded idea ever.
19:30.33dataw0lfyou do NOT filter content server side.  You filter content client side.
19:31.12_psychic_I've started a little flamewar with some of their fanbois
19:31.13mindjujuParents just need to own up to this issue, if they indeed take issue on this
19:31.17_psychic_one on another blog
19:31.22_psychic_the user was "Matthew"
19:31.30_psychic_so I googled him using the info I had on him
19:31.32dataw0lfthey don't want me to join the argument.
19:31.34_psychic_Guess what his last name is?
19:31.40_psychic_:)
19:31.48mindjujubroderick?
19:31.53_psychic_Yarro, actually.
19:31.59mindjujuyarro?
19:32.02mindjujusco guy?
19:32.12_psychic_Ralph is the chair
19:32.18_psychic_Matthew must be the son/nephew
19:32.19_psychic_whatever
19:32.25_psychic_funny thing is
19:32.30mindjujuyeah, his name was mentioned in the thing i read
19:32.30_psychic_the smartass commenting on my blog
19:32.34_psychic_his name is justin
19:32.38_psychic_(via his email)
19:32.53_psychic_There's a justin yarro listed as a contributor on CP80's website
19:32.57_psychic_so it makes me sonder
19:33.01_psychic_*wonder
19:33.05_psychic_dataw0lf: join in dude
19:33.12dataw0lfwhere
19:33.17_psychic_http://smallplates.johndavidanderson.net/2007/03/20/why-cp80-wont-work/
19:33.38_psychic_its technically and philosophically flawed from the get go
19:33.58_psychic_I should warn you, the dudes in there are big fans of ad hominem and straw-man. :)
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19:35.22mindjujuwell _psychic_ you left off one solution off your list
19:35.28_psychic_do tell
19:35.33mindjujuactive & dilligent parenting
19:35.41mindjujuany filter can be sidestepped
19:36.01mindjujuit's a good list though
19:36.06_psychic_gosh especially port based ones
19:36.06mindjujuand I agree with your arguments
19:37.01mindjujufunny how those guys are talking about content filtering at the ISP level as a novel idea
19:37.10mindjujui thought that was what millenial star ISP did
19:37.20_psychic_port based?
19:37.30mindjujueh, i never looked into it that deeply
19:37.35mindjujubut saw some commericials for it
19:37.41mindjujusome kind of filtering on the ISP level
19:37.47mindjujufor family safe interneting
19:38.05mindjujui'm not sure they are still in business, it was some time ago
19:38.14_psychic_mstar
19:38.21_psychic_.net
19:38.22mindjujuyeah, maybe that was it
19:38.43_psychic_looks like they offer a commercial filter
19:38.45_psychic_duh
19:39.13_psychic_mindjuju: I added your suggestion to the bottom. Can't believe I overlooked that. Woulda been a nice stinger at the end. :)
19:39.35mindjujuthx for adding it!
19:42.02mindjujulooking over your blog _psychic_ makes me realize that i've neglected my blog
19:42.15_psychic_Its nice to have an outlet.
19:42.52_psychic_Its kinda scary sometimes though, because my family has started to read it, and it exposes my more liberal views.
19:43.03_psychic_(more liberal than my family's, by and large)
19:43.33dataw0lfwhat's up with your blog all of a sudden?
19:43.46mindjujuyeah, link doesn't seem to work in IE, i was just trying FF
19:43.56dataw0lfain't working FF anymore either
19:44.00dataw0lfdid I break something with my comment?
19:44.08dataw0lfperhaps it's being filtered at an ISP
19:44.56_psychic_I see it
19:47.05dataw0lfhuh
19:47.52mindjujuHoly Crap!  _psychic_ are you a poli sci major?
19:48.02_psychic_what?
19:48.12mindjujupolitical science
19:48.20_psychic_right... but what's the holy crap for
19:48.34mindjujui'm impresed
19:48.43mindjujuyour throwing around Descarte and Pascal
19:48.48Lone_Wanderer_psychic_: I love you now.  I hate CP80.
19:49.12mindjujui love Descartes
19:49.41_psychic_dataw0lf: I think I accidentally set the post to private when I added mindjuju's suggesting
19:49.43_psychic_*suggestion
19:49.47_psychic_fixed now I think
19:49.54dataw0lfword
19:49.57_psychic_Lone_Wanderer: \o/
19:49.58mindjujutook a course in poli philo so read Descartes, Pascal, and Hobbes (i hated the leviathan)
19:50.07_psychic_Ethics is good too
19:50.09_psychic_Hume
19:50.17_psychic_um the utilitarian dude
19:50.18mindjujuIn fact, as we were reading it in class, i hated it so much, i nearly threw my book out the window
19:50.19_psychic_Locke
19:50.23mindjujuyeah, Locke
19:50.50mindjujucan't remember what it was about Hobbes that i hated so much, must have repressed it
19:50.56_psychic_dude I so want to digg up something like this so the retardness of cp80 gets exposed
19:50.57mindjujuLOVED the social contract though
19:51.20mindjujuwas actually going to suggest we digg your blog
19:51.32dataw0lfehhh Descartes
19:51.34_psychic_Dunno if the poor little guy could take it :)
19:51.34mindjujubut is it stored on a server than can handle the load if it makes the front page
19:51.41_psychic_dataw0lf: because he's a theist? ;)
19:51.55dataw0lfbecause of the ontological argument, it's ridiculous.
19:52.01_psychic_that's aquinas
19:52.17_psychic_great than that which can be conceived?
19:52.20_psychic_*greater
19:53.53dataw0lfno, Aquinas denied the ontological argument
19:54.07dataw0lfDescartes theorized it in one of his stupid meditations.
19:54.28_psychic_well
19:54.34mindjujuhey, before we get into Philo argument
19:54.49mindjuju_psychic_ can your blog handle the load if we digg the story?
19:54.54_psychic_I dunno
19:55.10_psychic_It's on an XServe at an ISP
19:55.15mindjujui'm going in!  unless you want to digg yourself
19:55.18_psychic_I doubt it will go far, but you can digg it
19:55.49Lone_Wandererdude, Digg is old and busted
19:55.54Lone_Wandererused Reddit, it's the new hotness
20:03.43Lone_Wanderers/used/use
20:03.49Lone_WandererIf I reddit it, will y'all upvote it?
20:05.29mindjujui will L_W
20:05.36mindjujualmost done with the digg
20:06.05Lone_WandererIt's super easy to get a Reddit account.
20:06.17Lone_WandererYou just give them your email and password.  They never mail you.
20:07.22mindjujudiggity dugg - http://digg.com/politics/Why_CP80_Clear_Port_80_Won_t_Work_CP80_tries_to_clear_port_80_of_porn
20:07.31Lone_Wandererhttp://reddit.com/info/1c5d8/comments
20:09.03mindjujuk, left comment on reddit
20:10.50mindjuju_psychic_ , did you see this comment from GtRL ?
20:10.51mindjujuIs there a group that deals with social policy for the Internet? If not there  should be.
20:11.00_psychic_yes
20:11.10_psychic_that comes right after his ad hominem
20:11.21mindjujuoh, was skimming, must have missed it
20:12.03Lone_Wanderermindjuju: hit the up arrow too :)
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20:14.26beandoghttp://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002848.php
20:14.59beandogif thats true (and not taken out of context), thats about the scariest thing Ive read.
20:15.30_psychic_oh dear
20:16.00beandoghttp://www.amazon.com/dp/B00005JO3Z?tag=tvshowsondvdcom
20:16.05beandogand heres a nice unicorn chaser :D
20:16.35_psychic_lol
20:16.49thebigdogi use to watch emergency all the time
20:17.04beandogthebigdog: any good?  Ive never even heard of it til I saw it on that site
20:17.06mindjujui watched ChiPs and SWAT
20:17.21mindjujuand the old man used to watch Kojak
20:17.26thebigdogit was ok
20:17.32thebigdogbetter than chips
20:17.36thebigdogimho
20:18.07Lone_WandererUgh, I just barely registered and I hate digg already.
20:18.19thebigdogLone_Wanderer you are not alone
20:18.25_psychic_Lone_Wanderer, mindjuju: thanks, by the way.
20:18.29mindjujufo sho
20:18.31beandogNOTHING CAN BEAT CHIPS, OKAY
20:18.47mindjuju'ceptin' of course, the Dukes
20:18.55_psychic_In a word, thundercats.
20:18.57mindjujuDukes rule over all
20:19.02timinatoranyone have a JS solution for sorting rows of tabular data on the client side? (ex: http://gurtom.com/products/tables/java/free/documentation )
20:19.06beandogthundah, thundah, thundah-CATS
20:19.07beandoghoooooooooooooooooooooo
20:19.24thebigdogi love them too
20:19.30_psychic_timinator: http://openrico.org/rico/livegrid.page
20:19.32thebigdogrobotech was my fav though
20:19.32mindjujutiminator, i've got something better
20:19.38beandog~love Thundercats
20:19.39jbotIf you love Thundercats so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
20:19.39mindjujunot a java applet too
20:19.40thebigdoghe-man
20:19.42mindjujuhang on quick sec
20:19.45beandogheman!
20:19.46beandog:D
20:19.48timinatorlol
20:19.53thebigdogshe-ra
20:20.01beandogshera!
20:20.08mindjujuthe Dukes
20:20.15mindjujuk, let me clarify
20:20.17mindjujuDaisy Duke
20:20.24beandoghttp://spaceparanoids.org/img/steve_he_man.jpg
20:20.25beandogbeandog!
20:20.25beandog:D
20:20.28dataw0lfSword of Omens, give me sight.... beyond sight
20:20.37timinatorthe old Daisy Duke... not the new one
20:20.44mindjujuof course!
20:20.47dataw0lfI like em both
20:20.56timinatorperv
20:21.18beandogI never understood why Lionel just didnt kick that mummy's but for good
20:21.23timinator:)
20:21.24jsmithtiminator: You can use plain DHTML to sort rows of tabular data on the client side
20:21.28beandogI mean, hes got this flipping awesome sword
20:21.35beandogand that crazy cat glove
20:21.46beandogand everyone has those sexless hairdos
20:21.48thebigdogand a cool car
20:22.08beandoghe had a car?
20:22.08timinatorand the perfect hideout
20:22.11_psychic_I just love it how Panthro was the token black dude
20:22.14beandogthat was the other thing
20:22.19dataw0lftokin' black dude
20:22.22beandogwhats up with this weird planet that only has a population of 13?
20:22.24dataw0lfpanthro was a pot head
20:22.24timinatorLOL
20:22.40timinatorhow's that DW?
20:23.10_psychic_snarf, snarf, sneeeeaaaarrrrffff
20:23.14beandoghttp://images.quizilla.com/C/Crosbie/1110737767_panthro.jpg
20:23.16beandogoh man
20:23.18dataw0lfhe has laser shooting numchuks
20:23.21beandogI hated that dog-beast thing
20:23.21dataw0lfobviously, he's a pothead
20:23.31dataw0lfnoone would come up with laser shooting numchucks cept a pothead
20:23.42_psychic_given that you are all talking about TC, I claim victory over Chips, et al.
20:24.01timinatorLOL DW
20:24.08Lone_WandererI have *never* understood the appeal of two sticks on a chain.
20:24.19thebigdogall i loved was the voice of cheetara - lynne lipton
20:24.36thebigdogi hated snarf
20:24.43_psychic_thebigdog: ...and her outfit
20:24.44beandogWonder woman! all the world is waiting for you!
20:24.49beandogwonder woman!  and all the good that you do!
20:24.56thebigdogclassic wonder woman was good
20:24.59beandogin your satin tights, fighting for our rights
20:25.01beandogof the red white and blue!
20:25.05beandogyoure a wonder, wonder woman!
20:25.06Lone_WandererI guess a weapon that requires excessive practice in order to not give yourself a concussion with... it... okay, poorly formed sentence
20:25.07_psychic_*her* outfit was fugly
20:25.23Lone_Wandererbut I guess it could be a demonstration of skill
20:25.36beandoghttp://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=1019068
20:25.40beandogWell Im glad thats only 50 feet from me
20:25.40dataw0lfI don't really understand any weapon besides a gun
20:25.53dataw0lfyea nice sword *rat tat tat tat tat tat tat*
20:25.59_psychic_explosives
20:26.14dataw0lfah, yes, grenades are nice too
20:26.28Lone_WandererWow, beandog, that's about 200 yards from me.
20:26.28thebigdogthis is my boom stick
20:26.44beandogLone_Wanderer: 198 for me
20:26.56beandogzions is on the north side right?
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20:27.08Lone_Wandererlol I think it's south.
20:27.09beandogdataw0lf: did you ever watch GI Joe
20:27.12beandogbah
20:27.14beandogwhatever
20:27.15beandog:)
20:27.58dataw0lfThe 12 gauged double barrelled Remington.  S-Mart's top of the line.  You can find this in the sporting goods department.  That's right, this sweet baby was made in Grand Rapids, Michigan.  Retails for about 109.95.  It's got a walnut stock, cobalt blue steel, and a hair trigger.  That's right.  Shop smart.  Shop, S-Mart.  YOU GOT THAT??
20:28.56dataw0lfGood.  Bad.  I'm the guy with the gun.
20:29.12thebigdogoh yah - http://video.aol.com/video-category/thundercats/2701
20:29.17dataw0lfYou'll never retrieve the Necronomicon!  You'll die before ya get it!
20:29.21dataw0lfHey!  What's that on your face?
20:29.25dataw0lf*shoveful of dirt*
20:29.28beandoglol
20:29.33timinatorpaging Dr. mindjuju
20:29.42timinatorpaging Dr. mindjuju
20:29.42thebigdoggreatest movie ever mad
20:29.43Lone_WandererWhat's Army of Darkness rated?
20:29.44beandoglols
20:29.51thebigdogpg13
20:29.54beandogeleventween
20:30.02dataw0lfawesomest movie ever
20:30.06beandogits R, Im sure
20:30.17dataw0lfyea, I think it's R.
20:30.23Lone_WandererOh well.
20:30.26dataw0lfI think he drops the f bomb a couple times.
20:30.57dataw0lfhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=Oagr6Ydjzdw
20:31.46PoeticIntensityI've gotta watch Army of Darkness again.
20:31.53PoeticIntensityhaven't seen it in years.
20:32.09PoeticIntensity~lart beandog
20:32.13beandogyay!
20:32.14PoeticIntensityLOL
20:32.15beandogmy favorite :D
20:32.40Lone_WandererSweet
20:32.42PoeticIntensityBank Robbers suck.
20:32.52PoeticIntensity~lart the bank robber
20:32.58beandogsewiously.
20:33.36PoeticIntensitybah.... is it Friday yet?
20:34.16Lone_WandererNope.  Got about 10 hours I believe.
20:34.30dataw0lfit's friday somewhere in the world.
20:34.30Lone_Wandererhmm, it looks like someone put the entire movie online.
20:34.33beandogand 8 years.
20:34.35beandogmovie?
20:34.42dataw0lfAoD
20:34.42Lone_WandererArmy of Darkness
20:34.42beandogoh, army of darkness
20:34.50beandogI was hoping you meant there was a Thundercats movie
20:34.57Lone_WandererMaybe I'll become violently ill for the next 90 minutes...
20:34.58beandogwhich reminds me, when does the Transformers come out
20:34.59mindjujuwhew!  found it!  Timinator, still need that sort?
20:35.10timinatoryes sir
20:35.19beandog~transform
20:35.21mindjujui've had excellent results with this
20:35.21mindjujuhttp://www.workingwith.me.uk/articles/scripting/standardista_table_sorting
20:35.33dataw0lfhttp://youtube.com/watch?v=iFIciHlkaKI NSFW because of language
20:35.36mindjujupipe your data in, let the JS handle the rest
20:35.37dataw0lf<3 The Big Lebowski
20:35.53timinator<3 The Big Lebowski
20:36.01timinatorTY mindjuju
20:36.23mindjujuit's so beautifully easy to use, the only thing i hate about it, is that I didn't write it
20:36.24timinator"you're out of your element, Donnie"
20:36.36timinatorLOL mindjuju
20:36.54dataw0lf"also, Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature.  Asian American, please."
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20:38.02timinatorLMAO
20:38.38timinatorDW: did I tell you that we had to collect on a bad debt, and the guy's name was Larry?
20:38.56dataw0lfha
20:38.57dataw0lfno
20:39.21dataw0lf"THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU F*** A STRANGER IN THE A**, LARRY.  THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS LARRY."
20:40.05dataw0lfI almost had to leave the theater during that point in the movie, I was laughing so hard.
20:40.26dataw0lfYou could barely make out the dialogue during more than half of the movie because of all the uproarious laughter.
20:41.01timinatorHAHAHAHAH
20:41.04timinatortoo funny
20:41.14timinatorguys... I gotta bolt
20:41.19timinatorsee ya'll later
20:41.21dataw0lfcya
20:41.35mindjujucya timinator
20:41.53timinatorthanks for the JS table sorters guys
20:43.32tierra"death to gmail users!"
20:43.53mindjujuwhat's wrong with gmail?
20:44.53tierrawell, according to the thread, it encourages top-posting, as well as encouraging users to not trim replies...
20:46.01tierrathen there's the rather long thread of replies and a bit of flaming (which doesn't seem to miss a single PLUG thread, ever), and it was only started an hour ago
20:46.40dataw0lfI unsubscribed long ago
20:46.45wpspeople are idiots… why do they have to post a post the perfectly exemplifies what a users was asking them not to do?
20:46.48wpsit's not funny
20:46.54wps… a waste of bandwidth
20:47.00wps… and makes them look like retards
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20:47.11_psychic_long live uphpu
20:47.15wpsamen
20:47.20dataw0lftrue that
20:49.01wpsspeaking of retards…
20:49.14wpswhy do gay advocacy groups protest at BYU?
20:49.22wpscome on… it's a private university
20:50.03wpsregardless of your opinion on the matter, leave them alone… and quit using getting arrested to publicize your agenda
20:50.13_psychic_agreed
20:50.30dataw0lfbecause it pisses you off.
20:50.33_psychic_the cops probably love that
20:50.47_psychic_dataw0lf: can I come to your house to protest anti-creationism
20:50.52_psychic_:)
20:51.01dataw0lfsure
20:51.07dataw0lfjust don't step on my property.
20:51.15_psychic_its the same issue with BYU
20:51.17dataw0lfI'm not as loving as BYU administrators, and I have an m4.
20:51.34_psychic_their not on public property for these protests afaik
20:51.36dataw0lfbesides, moving, living targets beat out paper targets any day of the week.
20:51.41_psychic_I don't like BYU administration either, really
20:51.43wpsBYU even wrote the organization before they went on tour this year and specifically asked them to not come to their campus
20:51.56dataw0lfif they're on private property, they get arrested.
20:52.03dataw0lfif they're on public property *shrug*
20:52.10_psychic_yeah that's fine by me
20:52.30_psychic_seems retarded to make the cops come out for no reason just to push your agenda
20:52.37dataw0lfof course, getting a protest permit from Provo for a gay rights advocacy protest is probably like trying to get Nazis out of Russia.
20:53.06Lone_WandererI would guess it's because BYU has more problems with gay rights than almost any other university in the country.
20:53.15Lone_WandererMaybe not as many as TCU.
20:53.18dataw0lfindeed.
20:53.32_psychic_dataw0lf: I wouldn't know.
20:53.51dataw0lfit's in the same vein as protestors protesting at abortion clinics.  That's where the main block is coming from, regardless of whether it's a private institution.
20:54.40dataw0lfyou're not going to be swaying anybody if you protest outside of a San Francisco night club, now are you?
20:56.06wpsI don't think you're going to have much success at a private religious university either… who's students strongly believe against such
20:56.36Lone_WandererI think the point is more to raise awareness of the issue
20:56.39dataw0lfand you're not going to change someone who works at an abortion clinic or visiting one, are you?  Still, you're protesting at the root of a problem.
20:57.00dataw0lfwhich is the whole point of protesting.
20:57.33Lone_WandererYou're not going to convince any BYU students that Gay is Great!!! or anything, but you may make them aware that the culture at BYU is incredibly hostile to gay people and that maybe if they weren't all such gigantic pricks about it, people wouldn't end up killing themselves because of something they can't control.
20:57.46Lone_WandererSomething like that anyway.
20:57.54dataw0lfdid you see that new South Park last week?
20:57.58beandogbesides, seems like protesting at BYU is the best way to get publicity
20:57.59Lone_Wandererno
20:58.13dataw0lfButters gets sent to a religious camp where they "Pray the Gay Away"
20:58.22Lone_Wandererrofl
20:58.25beandoglols
20:58.25dataw0lfevery 20 or 30 seconds at the camp, some kid blows his brains out
20:58.28beandogthey did that once on Malcolm too
20:58.31dataw0lfit's awesome.
20:58.35Lone_WandererButters isn't gay is he?
20:58.42Lone_Wandererrofl
20:58.43dataw0lfno, cartman just tricked him into... well
20:58.46dataw0lfyou gotta see it
20:58.48Lone_Wandererokay
20:58.54Lone_WandererIt's probably on YouTube.
20:58.57dataw0lfand he doesn't know what bisexual means
20:59.05Lone_WandererButters doesn't?
20:59.11dataw0lfso all these preachers are like "you're confused BECAUSE you're bisexual!"
20:59.11Lone_WandererSomeone... who was it?
20:59.15dataw0lf"Are you confused??"
20:59.19Lone_WandererOh yeah, my girlfriend, she has a rabbit
20:59.23dataw0lfand Butters is like "YES! I'm very confused!!"
20:59.32Lone_Wandererand the other day she said that he loves to lick the carpet...
20:59.37dataw0lfaw man
20:59.41Lone_Wandererno clue
20:59.49dataw0lfsee, that's how I end relationships
21:00.01Lone_WandererI guess he thinks it's grass or something.
21:00.10dataw0lfyea, I bet.
21:00.41dataw0lfsee, I could make numerous connotations about your girlfriend, but I'll take the high road this time.
21:00.44dataw0lfTHIS time.
21:00.50Lone_Wanderer:)
21:02.57dataw0lfI had this girlfriend who's dog would wake me up by licking my face.  
21:03.00dataw0lfHe then progressed to biting
21:03.04dataw0lftiny, tiny dog
21:03.14dataw0lfso I wake up in the middle of the night with this dog gnawing on my face
21:03.19Lone_WandererAnd you let him live?
21:03.22dataw0lfhalf asleep, I pick him up and toss him across the room
21:03.29dataw0lfhe let out this little yelp, and woke her up
21:03.34dataw0lfneedless to say, I made a quick getaway.
21:03.39Lone_WandererSee, you didn't throw him hard enough.
21:03.49Lone_WandererIf you had, he wouldn't have made a sound.
21:03.57dataw0lfwell, a thump, maybe.
21:04.07Lone_WandererYeah, but you could just say that it's the neighbors.
21:05.19dataw0lftrue
21:05.30dataw0lfor a burglar who was breaking in and snapped the lil bastage's neck
21:05.46Lone_WandererThat'd be a good one actually.
21:05.59dataw0lfyes, I'm good at making up believable excuses on the spot
21:06.01Lone_WandererGet your friend to "break in".
21:06.22Lone_Wanderer"He didn't steal anything, but poor little Foo-Foo must have been barking too much..."
21:08.58dataw0lfgod I hated that dog
21:09.01dataw0lfsynic: that was becky, btw
21:10.06dataw0lfwhich reminds me, that I performed yet another telepathic mind control across the room on a woman trick the other weekend
21:10.10dataw0lftotally by accident
21:11.07dataw0lfI don't know why hot girls think they can come up and start kissing you out of the blue.  
21:11.15dataw0lfthat's assault, ladies.
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21:15.29mgearyhey all, anyone else here currently on an Xmission DSL line? We're seeing some slowdowns
21:16.06beandogwe are
21:16.10beandogseems okay to me
21:16.44mgearywhat do you get when you ping xmission.net?
21:16.51mgearyi get 791 ms
21:17.10beandog45
21:17.17mgearyheh. yeah
21:17.17dataw0lftraceroute it, mgeary
21:17.26Lone_WandererHow can I change the format of a timestamp field in MySQL?
21:18.06mgearyDATE_FORMAT()
21:18.09Lone_Wandererselect date('some formatting string', 'fieldname') from table?
21:19.11mgearytraceroute tells me that the *first* hop after my router is to lo1.erx1.slc.xmission.net
21:19.16mgearyand it takes 785 ms
21:19.19Lone_WandererI hate MySQL's documentation.
21:19.28Lone_Wanderer~yow
21:19.39Lone_Wanderer(That's my response to 785ms)
21:19.59mgeary_psychic_: you've got powdered sugar on your chin
21:20.26mgearyso, do i call Xmission, or do i reboot my router first?
21:20.37dataw0lfreboot your router and traceroute from it too
21:20.41_psychic_they'll probably ask you to do it anyway
21:21.58mgearyhrm. the router doesn't give a ms output
21:22.06mgearycbos#traceroute 166.70.0.1
21:22.07mgearytraceroute to 166.70.0.1, 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
21:22.07mgeary1  166.70.0.1
21:23.22Utah_Davethat's interesting, I'm on a Qwest T-1. tracert xmission.net takes me down to Palo Alto, then San Jose on XO's network then back up to Xmission
21:24.42Lone_Wandereryeah, it's weird that going so far out of your way can be faster than a more direct (physically) route
21:25.11Utah_Daveyep
21:31.13Lone_WandererSELECT * FROM `loan_send` order by date, DATE_FORMAT(date, '%c-%d-%Y')
21:31.31Lone_WandererDoesn't format the date.  Is there a way to keep the * and still format the date column?  It's a timestamp.
21:31.57Utah_DaveSELECT *, DATE_FORMAT(date, '%c-%d-%Y')  FROM `loan_send` order by date
21:32.03Lone_Wandererthanks
21:32.13thebigdogroflol
21:32.16thebigdogthat was nice LW
21:32.31Lone_Wanderereh?
21:32.49thebigdogdate format at the end of the query
21:33.12Lone_WandererOh.  That's funny?
21:33.21Lone_WandererI know as little about SQL as possible.
21:33.24beandogOut of Africa
21:33.40mindjujuthe soundtrack beandog?
21:33.44beandogLone_Wanderer: yah
21:33.49beandogLone_Wanderer: select *, date(foo);
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21:33.52beandogmindjuju: yah
21:34.00Lone_WandererHmm.  That gives date twice it looks like.
21:34.05beandogyah
21:34.06beandogbut you get what you want
21:34.12Lone_Wandererokay
21:34.21beandogselect *, date(foo) foodate;
21:34.25beandogreturns 2nd one as foodate
21:35.09Lone_WandererI'll just title one of them "timestamp" and the other one "date" and tell Jon to live with it unless he really wants me to make things super complicated.
21:35.26Lone_WandererAnd by super complicated I mean "more complex than I want to deal with, which honestly isn't that bad as far as queries go"
21:35.31thebigdogoh that job post sucks
21:35.41thebigdogfulltime $15/hr
21:35.55Lone_WandererYeah.
21:35.56thebigdogouch
21:36.40thebigdogi thought i was cheap
21:36.51dataw0lfyou still are, they're just cheaper
21:37.02thebigdoglol....not for beandog though
21:37.25thebigdogbeandog loves thebigdog
21:37.41dataw0lfalright, what're you blathering about, my curiousity has been perked
21:37.49thebigdoglol
21:37.57thebigdogman that has your name all over it
21:38.08thebigdogthat goes back to earlier this morning
21:38.29dataw0lfI refuse to scroll!  Explain! Now, sir! Now!
21:38.48dataw0lfDO IT!!!
21:38.54thebigdogthat is in ref to your comment to beandog
21:39.14beandogwhat in the world are you guys talking about
21:39.15thebigdoglol
21:39.15dataw0lfoh
21:39.15dataw0lfOHHHHHHH
21:39.15thebigdogyou guys forget too much
21:39.15Lone_Wandererdataw0lf: I was thinking about conquering the entire earth and ruling with an iron fist this weekend.  You want to come?
21:39.30dataw0lfLone_Wanderer: waitaminute.  What you really mean is I get to be the power behind the throne
21:39.33dataw0lfright?!
21:39.37Lone_WandererYes.
21:39.43dataw0lfk, I'm there
21:41.13Lone_Wanderer:D
21:41.42beandoghow can I get an image to stick to the bottom in a div with a set height
21:41.47beandogvertical-align no me workie
21:42.00wpsset it as a background image
21:42.04Lone_WandererIs it a...
21:42.12wpsbackground: url('') bottom;
21:42.18beandogbah.
21:43.09beandogherm
21:43.36mindjuju~ranq
21:43.38jbotACTION Say hello to my little friend
21:52.27Lone_Wandererokay, why would select *, DATE_FORMAT('date', '%c-%d-%Y') from news_signup have the last field being all NULL?
21:52.28Lone_Wandererwait, I wonder...
21:52.36Lone_WandererNo, they've got values in them.
21:54.22breeceyour first param in DATE_FORMAT is a string, instead of a column name
22:00.39breeceDid that fix it?
22:01.06Lone_Wandereryeah thanks :)
22:01.28beandogwps: that worked except its
22:01.30beandogwhats the word
22:01.36beandogtiling it?
22:01.52Lone_WandererWhy doesn't setting a div's margins to auto center it?  It's the only div on the page.
22:01.56beandogisnt there some repeat-once feature
22:02.01mindjujubackground: url('') bottom no-repeat;
22:02.03Lone_Wandererbeandog: yes
22:02.05wpsbackground: url('') bottom center no-repeat
22:02.12wpswhat browser, Lone_Wanderer ?
22:02.16beandogthanks guys
22:02.17beandog:D
22:02.20Lone_WandererFirefox 2.x
22:02.31wpsauto margins should center it
22:02.37wpsthere must be something else throwing it off
22:02.38Lone_WandererThat's what I thought too :(
22:02.44Lone_Wandererheh
22:02.45Lone_Wandererthere is nothing else
22:03.24wpscode?
22:03.24Lone_Wandererone sec I'll pastebin it
22:03.27Lone_Wanderer~pastebin
22:03.32jbotpastebin is, like, a place to paste your stuff without flooding the channel - try  http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste, or http://rafb.net/paste/, or http://pastebin.com is usually painfully too slow and unresponsive to use, use one of the other pastebin sites, or dpaste.com is a very nice pastebin as well
22:04.36Lone_Wandererhttp://dpaste.com/7247/ and...
22:04.40beandogcat foo | nopaste
22:04.41beandog:D
22:05.04Lone_Wandererhttp://dpaste.com/7248/
22:05.20Lone_Wandererohh, that's really cool beandog
22:05.28beandogvery handy
22:05.45beandoghttp://dev.gentoo.org/~agriffis/nopaste/
22:05.48wpsit is centered
22:05.52beandogjust a little ruby script
22:06.01Lone_Wandereroh, do I have to set a width?
22:06.07wpsthat depends
22:06.14Lone_WandererWell it all appears on the left to me.
22:06.16wpsdo you want it to be narrower then it's parent?
22:06.27Lone_WandererNo I just want all the text and stuff to be centered.
22:06.36Lone_WandererOh wait, that's text-align huh?
22:06.50Lone_Wandererthere we go
22:34.30mindjuju~macarena thebigdog
22:34.32jbotACTION pulls out 100 megawatt PA speakers and starts to play that wonderful Macarena song on eternal repeat. thebigdog is hypnotized and starts to dance uncontrollably!
22:34.46wpseek
22:35.04mindjujuheh, yup, i forgot that i built that a long time ago
22:39.31*** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> new skin on site… visit it… write articles… love it… comment about things… review books
22:46.06mindjujuwow, that's too funny
22:46.07mindjujuWe're not the prettiest girl at the dance, but we're acting like we are."
22:52.53dataw0lfhttp://searchwithkevin.prodege.com/
22:52.56dataw0lfyesssssssss
22:53.03dataw0lfthe firefox plugin that you've all been waiting for
22:53.40mindjujuwow
22:53.47mindjujui feel sorry for that guy
22:53.55thebigdogi dont...what a loser
22:53.59dataw0lfreally?  I feel sorry that he was born
22:54.04dataw0lfand has fathered children
22:54.16mindjujucome on
22:54.16wpsI don't
22:54.25mindjujuhe got the notice he was getting a divorce over IM
22:54.34dataw0lfhe should've gotten it via baseball bat
22:54.35mindjujuit was during an MTV interview
22:54.40wpshe made the decisions that lead up that that event
22:54.51mindjujuoh, was he having an affair?
22:54.54mindjujudidn't hear that part
22:55.04dataw0lfmultiple, from what I hear.  plus, terrible father.
22:55.09mindjujuoh
22:55.17mindjujuk, well, maybe he did deserve it then
22:55.25mindjujui'm not current on entertainment news
22:55.41mindjujubut i did hear they totally made fun of him at the grammies
22:56.59mindjujucurious, search for britney spears on that page, and it returns 40 total results
23:08.09thebigdog~wiki veyron
23:08.43thebigdogi want one
23:09.35thebigdogsure man
23:09.48mindjujudude, totally have the $$ for it
23:09.55mindjujunot
23:10.02mindjujuprolly not even enough for the postcard
23:10.32thebigdogif i had millions i would get one...its only like $1.44M is all
23:10.49thebigdogv16...10 radiators...i can handle it
23:11.09thebigdog253MPH is all
23:11.18mindjujutoo much car
23:11.18thebigdogi can do it
23:11.34mindjujuutah_dave, back me up here, bro
23:11.43mindjujudo you think thebigdog can handle the bugatti ?
23:11.51tierrayou should totally buy one
23:12.01thebigdogi can handle it...i can handle it
23:12.05tierra... and let me drive it
23:12.44mindjujuactually, i think the car i really want is an old fixed up VW bug with a convertible top
23:12.46thebigdoglol
23:13.01thebigdogi want a vw van with a missing door
23:13.07mindjujumissing door?
23:13.12dataw0lfthat thing would probably snap my arms the moment I broke 200 mph
23:14.01mindjujulet's see, what car would best suit dataw0lf?
23:14.14mindjujui'm seeing dataw0lf in the Mad Max car with the optional weapons installed
23:14.24mindjujubattering ram in the front
23:14.53mindjujuor was that the road warriro when he had that battering ram in the front
23:15.36mindjujutierra , for some reason im thinking an H2
23:15.46dataw0lfI was thinking a geo metro
23:15.55mindjujufor tierra?
23:15.59dataw0lfnah, for me
23:16.03dataw0lfwith lasers
23:16.04mindjujuoh, nah
23:16.08mindjujumad max car
23:16.13mindjujudo youknow the one?
23:16.16dataw0lfthat's my dream, it's true
23:16.32dataw0lfI'm kinda waiting on our society to disintegrate just for that reason
23:16.36dataw0lfI was thinking more of an armored 4 wheeler tho
23:16.38mindjujufor the geo metro?
23:16.47dataw0lffor a mad max type vehicle
23:16.52mindjujuah
23:17.00mindjujuyeah, well, lets say it this way
23:17.07mindjujumad max for after
23:17.20mindjujuprior, eh, suped up charger
23:17.29mindjujuor viper
23:17.31dataw0lfit's like, I've received immunizations for most of major war diseases, so if we get attacked with that, while you're all lying in your deathbed from anthrax, I'll be robbing the gun stores
23:17.38dataw0lfoooh, viper
23:17.43dataw0lfan armored viper
23:17.49mindjujuexcept that
23:17.49dataw0lfI could get behind that
23:18.03mindjujui think think the viper looks tuff enough
23:18.14dataw0lfmy favorite car
23:18.15mindjujuyeah, it's fast, but is it tuff?
23:18.27dataw0lfdoesn't matter if I can outrun you and lay an ambush
23:18.36mindjujueh, maybe
23:18.42mindjujubut is that your style
23:18.55dataw0lfdepends
23:19.10dataw0lfif you have more firepower, of course.
23:20.05mindjujuthis is what i see dataw0lf in
23:20.06mindjujuhttp://www.watfordrods.com/site/p.shtml?06wats/crw_0308.jpg
23:20.18mindjujuthat's a tuff car
23:20.44dataw0lfI'd probably snatch a Bradley from an army base, really.
23:20.59mindjujubradley, isn't that a tank?
23:21.18dataw0lfyea, light recon tank, used by cav scouts
23:21.35mindjujuyou'd spend most of your days looking for fuel
23:22.22dataw0lfit gets decent mileage
23:22.39dataw0lfespecially when I point my TOW or M242 at you
23:22.56mindjujuTOWs are cool, i've fired one
23:23.05mindjujuin an xbox game that is
23:23.15dataw0lfthey're pretty nice.
23:24.10Lone_Wandererdang, psychic left
23:24.21Lone_WandererI want to create a non-profit organization called Geeks Against Porn
23:24.49dataw0lfI'd have to create the GFP, then.  I think our membership would outweigh yours
23:24.50Lone_Wandererto provide advice to parents on how to effectively safeguard their home 'net connections
23:24.54mindjujuGeeks against porn?  there is a contradition in terms
23:25.10Lone_Wandererand also to fight against retarded things like CP80
23:25.28mindjujuyeah, cp80 has to go
23:25.51Lone_Wandererthe org's position would be that porn is essentially free speech, that as long as everyone is involved is an adult then they have every right to produce and distribute their product
23:26.29Lone_Wandererbut that people who don't want it should also have the right to not see it
23:26.53dataw0lfthere's an organization that's supposed to support that
23:26.55dataw0lfdang what's the name
23:26.57dataw0lfummm
23:26.59dataw0lfoh, yeah
23:27.04dataw0lfthe united states of america
23:27.14Lone_WandererI knew that one was going to be sarcastic.
23:28.46Lone_Wandereranyway, essentially it's purpose would be to fight well-intentioned but wrong-headed intiatives like CP80
23:29.40Lone_WandererWhich makes it perfect for Washington, really.
23:33.07Lone_WandererGreat, my ex gf just IMed me and is being all morose.
23:33.29mindjujuuh oh
23:33.52Lone_WandererWell, she's got a good reason to be (detailing it here would be TMI) but still.
23:34.12Lone_WandererWe haven't talked in ages.  The last time I asked if she wanted to hang out she said that she doesn't ever want to see me again.
23:34.53jsmithLone_Wanderer: So she's morose *AND* a liar?
23:34.56Lone_Wandereretc. etc.  I guess I should be nice to her anyway.
23:34.58Lone_Wandererlol
23:35.17jsmithOK, maybe *liar* is a bit strong... let's say "shortsighted" instead
23:35.24Lone_WandererThat works.
23:35.27beandogmorose?
23:35.39mindjuju~morose
23:35.45jsmith~dict morose
23:35.46mindjujubummer
23:35.50Lone_Wanderersad
23:35.52Lone_Wandererbasically
23:36.05jsmithSounds just like my day today
23:36.35dataw0lfya, your day pretty much sucked
23:37.09Lone_Wandererheh, what happened?
23:37.28jsmithWheel feel off my truck as I was driving it down the road
23:37.37mindjujuWHA!!!
23:37.39Lone_Wandererwow
23:37.40jsmithIdiot mechanic didn't tighten the lug nuts
23:37.41Lone_Wandererhow fast?
23:37.46jsmith40 to 45
23:37.51Lone_Wandereroh man
23:37.52mindjujufreak!
23:37.59beandogyeeks.
23:37.59Lone_Wandererwas anyone else nearby?
23:38.14jsmithLone_Wanderer: Thankfully, no.
23:38.26mindjujuwhich wheel?
23:38.30Lone_Wandererwhat happened?  did you just spin out of control, or were you able to stop fairly quickly?
23:38.37jsmithmindjuju: rear drivers-side
23:38.48mindjujuoh good, not a front steering wheel
23:39.09jsmithLone_Wanderer: The brakes/rotors drug on the ground... it pulled a lot, but I was able to keep it on the road and slow down
23:39.24beandogfreak
23:39.26beandogthat is insane.
23:39.45mindjujuyeah
23:39.54jsmithNo, insane was when I got towed back to the mechanic and the guy said "Oh, we can fix than in an hour or so"
23:40.03Lone_WandererNot the same mechanic I hope.
23:40.19dataw0lfan hour?
23:40.21dataw0lfheh
23:40.23jsmithUh, well... they've gotta fix their mistake first... and *then* I'll take it to another mechanic to have it inspected
23:40.26Lone_WandererWouldn't they have to replace the entire wheel... attachment thingie, as well as possibly the axle if it was bad enough?
23:40.41dataw0lfyou'd think they'd have to replace the axel just from some sort of stress fracture
23:40.45jsmithdataw0lf: The idiot hadn't pulled the tire off to see what had happened  (they had put it back on to get my truck off the tow-truck)
23:40.53jsmithNew wheel
23:40.55jsmithNew rotors
23:40.58jsmithNew brakes
23:41.20jsmithCouldn't get a replacement back plate, so they "fixed" the existing one (heaven knows what that means)
23:41.26dataw0lfaw jeez
23:41.33dataw0lfyea I'd take it to another mechanic immediately
23:41.35jsmithThis was after they had *just* replaced the brakes and rotors
23:42.01Lone_Wanderer*facepalm*
23:42.05Lone_WandererWhere's the mechanic?
23:42.11mindjujuvirginia
23:42.24Lone_WandererOh, well then, no worries vis a vis avoiding him.
23:42.32jsmithNope
23:42.43mindjujuit wasn't in virginia ?
23:44.39jsmithNo, it was in Virginia
23:44.53jsmithI was saying "Nope, you don't have to worry about avoiding this mechanic"
23:45.06mindjujuah
23:45.18jsmithFunny thing -- I actually went out of my way to ask car people which mechanic they went to
23:46.51mindjujuhmm... if he came recommended... maybe it was a mistaken and not incompetence?  they'd better do everything to regain your trust, or i would take legal action
23:49.20dataw0lfnice
23:49.49dataw0lfI don't really see too much of a difference between asian hentai and asian live porn, though, really
23:49.54dataw0lfI mean, your results will be like
23:50.07dataw0lf>>> Tentacle [3:07]
23:50.10dataw0lf>>> Tentacle [3:08]
23:50.13dataw0lf>>> Tentacle [3:09]
23:50.13mindjujuheh
23:50.14tierraare you saying it's kinda pointless to run the comparison?
23:50.16mindjujuwow
23:50.57dataw0lfwhat are you comparing?  a backup to live?
23:52.24tierrana, a typical wxWidgets CVS export == 10,400 files
23:52.31dataw0lfah
23:52.54tierrayeah, it sucks... 15 minute clean checkouts...
23:53.25tierrawxWidgets CVS has modules setup, but not in the way I wish it was...
23:54.07tierrato make things worse, wxPython is contained in the same repo (which also contains the wxPython in Action book)

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