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01:13.14mindjujuso what was the difference between the double clutch and normal shifting?
01:13.31mindjujui read the wiki article and watched the video, but didn't notice a difference between what i do and what the video showed
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01:44.18herlo;)
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05:22.04Utah_Dave~lart mindjuju
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14:06.55optikalmindjuju: Double clutching is when you Depress the clutch to shift into netural, release the clutch, then depress again and shift into the next gear.. most people depress, shift out of current gear and immediately into the following gear, then release the clutch.
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14:45.56jsmithoptikal: I've got a solution for you
14:46.02jsmithoptikal: http://pastie.caboo.se/48495
14:46.42jsmithTry that code on for size, and let me know if it works for you
14:46.48optikalI will~ Thank you
14:47.05jsmithNo problem
14:47.06optikalIm in the middle of something, so it'll be about an hour or so till I give it a try.. but I'll surely let you know the results.
14:47.21jsmithIt should handle both <? and <?php tags
14:47.27jsmith(but not ASP-style tags)
14:48.01optikalnp, I only use <? anyways.
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15:03.51mindjujuah!  i'll have to rewatch the video to see if i notice that.  I do do the clutch shift gear to next, not the double clutch stuff
15:04.09mindjujuseems like it would use your clutch faster doing double clutch?
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15:18.15timinatorwhat's this about double clutching?
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15:35.41mindjujutiminator, they were talking about double clutching yesterday and somebody put up a link to a wiki article that explained what double clutching was, on the article, there is an attached video that you can see somebody double clutching.  i saw the video but didn't see him double clutch
15:35.58mindjujuoptikal came on and explained double clutching better
15:36.18mindjujuthen i responded to what he said saying that I guess i don't double clutch and that it prolly wears out the clutch faster
15:37.56timinatorI've put 75,000 miles on two separate manual shift vehicles.... I don't double clutch, and the transmissions held up very well
15:38.06timinator75,000 each
15:38.55timinatormy $0.02
15:41.22Lone_WandererYou don't need to double clutch.  There's no need to any more.
15:41.58Lone_WandererOlder clutches would wear out faster if you didn't do it right, but modern clutches auto-synch, so double clutching doesn't do anything.
15:43.16optikaljsmith: That function is working great, I only had to convert my <?= to <? echo.. however, it is erroring on 2 of my foreach statements... heres the file I'm including to be parsed: http://rafb.net/p/wyGKSE20.html
15:43.33optikalFirst error is: Warning: Invalid argument supplied for foreach() in /var/www/ezwatchstore/design-wizard/email.php(28) : eval()'d code on line 5
15:44.41PoeticIntensityI put 116,000 miles on a mazda 626....
15:44.45PoeticIntensitynever changed the clutch...
15:44.50PoeticIntensityand never had any problems.
15:45.00PoeticIntensityI double clutch all the time.
15:45.12Lone_WandererLike I said, modern clutches don't require double clutching :p
15:45.17optikalWhy are you double clutching in a Mazda 626? hehe
15:45.18PoeticIntensitybut... I'm not entirely sure that's the reason it lasted.
15:46.22PoeticIntensityI go pretty easy on the clutch..... but I'm quite hard on the engine.. :)
15:46.22optikalBecause The Fast and the Furious do it? ;)
15:46.30optikal(Not a joke at you directly, moreso at all the new racer poseurs)
15:46.35PoeticIntensityit's all good...
15:46.57PoeticIntensityI'm not entirely sure I know exactly what double clutching is.
15:47.03PoeticIntensityI'm 90% sure I do, though. :)
15:47.14optikal[08:06:50] < optikal> mindjuju: Double clutching is when you Depress the clutch to shift into netural, release the clutch, then depress again and shift into the next gear.. most people depress, shift out of  current gear and immediately into the following gear, then release the clutch.
15:47.28PoeticIntensitythat's what I tought.
15:47.30PoeticIntensitythought.
15:47.40PoeticIntensityand in that case, I do it all the time while downshifting.
15:47.57PoeticIntensitynever while upshifting.
15:48.01Lone_WandererIt's to change the speed of the engine to match the speed of the gear box before you put it into gear
15:48.08PoeticIntensityright.
15:48.32optikalYeah, I do it while downshifting and I'll coast for awhile until I need to decellerate
15:48.45PoeticIntensitybingo.
15:49.05PoeticIntensitythen rev the engine to bring the RPMs up to match.
15:49.33PoeticIntensityit's actually really easy to drive your car hard, yet go very easy on the clutch.
15:50.03PoeticIntensityand... it's also very easy to drive your car easy, yet be very hard on your clutch... :)
15:50.21PoeticIntensityand... it's even easier to drive your car hard and completely destroy your clutch.
15:50.32PoeticIntensity;-)
15:50.35PoeticIntensityah darn... beandog isn't here.
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15:51.39PoeticIntensityvelcome.
15:51.45beandogoy.
15:52.03beandoghttp://www.thebards.net/music/lyrics/Do_Virgins_Taste_Better.shtml
15:52.08beandoglisten and learn :D
15:54.15beandog~clutch PoeticIntensity
15:54.40PoeticIntensity~tunafart beandog
15:54.42jbotACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to beandog, leg raised, to let 'em rip.
15:54.47PoeticIntensitywoot!
15:54.53beandogjbot: clutch is /action beats $x at 42,000 RPM
15:54.55jbotokay, beandog
15:54.57beandog~clutch PoeticIntensity
15:55.07beandogmeh.
15:55.09PoeticIntensitymoo.
15:55.18PoeticIntensity~clutch
15:55.20jbotit has been said that clutch is /action beats $x at 42,000 RPM
15:55.20beandogjbot: forget clutch
15:55.20jbotbeandog: i forgot clutch
15:55.30beandogjbot: clutch is /me beats $x at 42,000 RPM
15:55.31jbotbeandog: okay
15:55.35beandog~clutch PoeticIntensity
15:55.40PoeticIntensityLOL
15:55.42beandogmeh
15:55.43PoeticIntensity~clutch
15:55.45jbotsomebody said clutch was /me beats $x at 42,000 RPM
15:55.49beandogjbot: forget clutch
15:55.50jboti forgot clutch, beandog
15:55.55PoeticIntensityROFL
15:56.15PoeticIntensity~beandog
15:56.16jbothmm... beandog is cool, or one cool cat who has a sweet ride and likes to think he can drive. a dork  PoeticIntensity's secret gay lover.
15:56.28PoeticIntensityLMAO
15:56.41beandog~PoeticIntensity
15:56.42jbotmethinks poeticintensity is a swirling vat of orange juice, or new to the UPHPU channel, but pretty funny, or a beef-wheet, or drives a yellow mustang, or queen of the chick flick, or bored out of his freakin' mind.
15:57.11beandog:)
15:57.17PoeticIntensityIRC is cool.
15:57.28PoeticIntensityok... back to work.
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15:58.32thebigdogmindjuju do you know how to change perms in irc?
15:58.56mindjujuwhat's a perms ?
15:59.02wps~perm
15:59.05beandogpermissions
15:59.27thebigdogmindjuju, permissions or privs or access
15:59.39mindjujumy hair is barely 1/8th of an inch long
15:59.57thebigdogi was going to say that you can give PoeticIntensity and mgeary voice access with chanserv if you want to learn how
16:00.00mindjujubut with beandog's perm, i have a 2ft afro!
16:00.42mindjujuoh, i thought they already had voice
16:00.49thebigdognope
16:01.05PoeticIntensitysure.... I'd love to learn how...
16:01.09PoeticIntensityI have no idea what it means, though.
16:01.12thebigdogwell i gave PoeticIntensity voice now...but we should give him autovoice
16:01.19mgearygive me voice?
16:01.29mindjujui'd love to learn how
16:01.32PoeticIntensityme too.
16:01.50PoeticIntensity~permissions
16:01.52jboti heard permissions is multiple acts of permitting
16:01.52thebigdogPoeticIntensity you need to be a op to give perms
16:02.02PoeticIntensityoh.... I mean.... the "voice" thing.
16:02.10PoeticIntensitydunno what it does, or means, or anything.
16:03.09jsmithoptikal: Oh, I didn't realize you were using that much complex logic in your pages... The code I gave you eval()s each section seperately, so variables don't get set across code blocks
16:05.25thebigdogmindjuju did you get my message?
16:05.45mindjujuyeah, was just reading the finer points on voice and setting it
16:05.52thebigdogk
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16:09.35mindjujui wonder if that did the autovoice, though
16:10.33thebigdogkick them off and they should come back with it
16:11.17thebigdogor have them part and come back
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16:11.30mindjujucya!
16:11.41*** kick/#uphpu [PoeticIntensity!n=mindjuju@65-121-75-195.dia.static.qwest.net] by mindjuju (mindjuju)
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16:11.51mgearyhey
16:11.52mindjujudarn, no autovoice
16:12.20thebigdogcheck the access level for like tierra or timinator and give them the same level
16:12.26thebigdogthat should give them autovoice
16:12.38thebigdogi cant remember if you have to give autovoice directly
16:14.38thebigdogmindjuju, i think they need access level 3 or 5
16:14.47mindjujuyeah, 5
16:14.56mindjujuwas just getting ready to do some incanting
16:16.03thebigdogmindjuju, what is the command you are using?
16:16.36mindjujuwas looking at the level command
16:16.49mindjujubut doesn't seem to give you the ability to specifiy a number to set the person to
16:17.15mindjujuaccess seems to work on the whole list
16:17.30Lone_WandererI wish I knew JS better.
16:19.05mgearyokay
16:19.12mgearyso now how do i boot someone? :)
16:19.32mgearyjust, you know, in case....
16:19.49thebigdogdo this /kick mgeary
16:20.01mgearyanyone mind being a volunteer?
16:20.11thebigdogkick me
16:20.27mgearyhmm
16:20.36mgearymight need to re-join the group first
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16:21.00mgearyokay
16:21.02mgearynow
16:21.19wpsvoice isn't sufficient to boot someone
16:21.21wpsyou have to be an op
16:21.22mgearyhrm. i may not be able to kick you because you're "above" me
16:21.30mgearyno worries
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16:21.40thebigdogcool mindjuju
16:21.44PoeticIntensityhip hip, hooray!
16:22.00mgeary~admire mgeary and PoeticIntensity
16:22.06PoeticIntensityso..., if I might ask, what does "giving voice" actually do?
16:22.19PoeticIntensitybesides give me a cool little yellow dot by my name..?
16:22.29mindjujucoolio!
16:22.33wpsin some channels the don't let you speak unless you have voice
16:22.40mgearyjbot: admire is <action> Gazes with infatuation at <target>
16:22.42jbotokay, mgeary
16:22.45mgeary~admire mgeary and PoeticIntensity
16:22.46wpswe don't restrict that here, so voice is irrelevant
16:22.56PoeticIntensityI see.
16:22.58wpss/the/they/
16:23.01synicthe only thing it does is make us better than everyone else.
16:23.05PoeticIntensityLOL
16:23.06mgeary~admire
16:23.07jbotACTION Gazes with infatuation at <target>
16:23.07PoeticIntensitybeauty.
16:23.09syniceco: that's right, you lose.
16:23.12mgeary<sigh>
16:23.15PoeticIntensity~admire mgeary
16:23.22PoeticIntensityyeah... doesn't work.
16:23.25syniccom4: and you.
16:23.28mgearyah well
16:23.54PoeticIntensityis "giving voice" across all of freenode?
16:23.57mgearymindjuju: how do i give jbot an action? my ~admire didn't work
16:24.04Lone_WandererPI - just for this channel
16:24.05synicPoeticIntensity: no, it's channel specific'
16:24.09PoeticIntensityah...
16:24.36Lone_WandererIn a pinch, if a bunch of idjits came in here and started flooding the channel, it could be set so that only people with "voice" could speak.
16:24.59wps~idjit
16:25.11ecoHuh what?
16:25.16thebigdogwe like to give voice here to people that ramble too much
16:25.26thebigdogbut we dont exclude anyone
16:25.26Lone_WandererA lot of tech support channels do that.  They give only one person voice at a time, so they can ask their question, and people can't come in and spam with "OMG HELP NOW!!!" while they're helping someone else.
16:26.20mindjujumgeary: timAttack $1 is <action> (grabs an axe|uses a 2 handed log saw|get's Ash's chainsaw) and starts to (cut $1 down to size|go postal on $1|chase $1)!
16:26.32mindjujuexcept, mgeary, where i have your name, put the word jbot
16:26.48mgearyah, i missed the $1
16:26.50mgearygotcha
16:26.54mindjujuso $1 is the target, yeah
16:27.05thebigdog~smack mgeary
16:27.07jbotACTION smacks mgeary upside the head.
16:27.13Lone_Wanderer~timattack mindjuju
16:27.14jbotACTION uses a 2 handed log saw and starts to go postal on mindjuju!
16:27.24Lone_Wanderercool
16:28.03macnewboldwhy should jbot go postal with a log saw? shouldn't he go lumberjack or something?
16:28.17thebigdogmacnewbold great point
16:28.28macnewboldand who's Ash?
16:28.32thebigdogoh no
16:28.37thebigdogyou dont know who ash is
16:28.42mindjuju~crackskulls macnewbold
16:28.43jbotACTION grabs macnewbold and thebigdog 's heads and slams them together knocking both unconscious.  Jbot then turns to mindjuju to see who else needs a wallop.
16:28.45Lone_WandererArmy of Darkness
16:28.49thebigdogmgeary kick macnewbold
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16:28.55mindjujusorry about that thebigdog
16:29.00macnewbold~lart thebigdog
16:29.03macnewbolddoh
16:29.03thebigdogmindjuju have you seen bubba-ho tep?
16:29.05macnewboldwimpy
16:29.08macnewbold~yow
16:29.10mgearyi canna do it captain
16:29.14mindjujuthey just had it on onDemand
16:29.32mindjujui'm going to have to rent it though, if it is like Army of Darkness
16:29.54thebigdoghttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0281686/
16:30.02thebigdoghe is working on the sequel to it now
16:31.02thebigdogDon't make me use my stuff on ya, baby!
16:31.41synicteehee, my dad came across Army of Darkness while channel surfing the other day
16:31.45syniche couldn
16:31.57syniccouldn't do anything but boggle at it's shear awesome-ness
16:32.07mgeary~boggle synic
16:32.40thebigdogKemosabe was dead of a ruptured heart before he hit the floor. Gone down and out with both guns blazing. Soul intact.
16:33.05thebigdogmindjuju you got to check out bubba ho-tep
16:33.37synicoh yeah, bubba ho-tep rocks.
16:33.50synicgranted, I was too drunk to remember most of it, but I do remember thinking it was awesome at the time :P
16:34.00thebigdogsynic he is working on the sequel to it now
16:34.04mindjujuactually, my wife and son are headed down to mapleton this weekend, so i might just rent it
16:34.05mgearyjbot: boggle $1 is <action> stares in flabbergasted astonishment at $1
16:34.07jbotmgeary: okay
16:34.09mgeary~boggle synic
16:34.11jbotACTION stares in flabbergasted astonishment at synic
16:34.16synichehe
16:34.32mgeary"flabbergast" is an awesome word
16:45.06Utah_Dave~applause mindjuju
16:46.35Utah_Davejbot: applause $1 is <action> everyone stands up and claps for $1!
16:46.37jbotUtah_Dave: okay
16:46.44Utah_Dave~applause mindjuju
16:46.46jbotACTION everyone stands up and claps for mindjuju!
16:47.13Utah_Davejbot: applause $1 is <action> stands up and claps for $1!
16:47.14jbotACTION everyone stands up and claps for $1 is <action> stands up and claps for $1!!
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16:47.28Utah_Dave~applause mindjuju
16:47.29jbotACTION everyone stands up and claps for mindjuju!
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16:47.47mindjujuk, what did i do?
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16:48.05mindjujuoh, jbot programming
16:48.09mindjujulove that jbot!
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16:48.33mindjujucool , autovoice for eco
16:48.58syniccrap, now eco doesn't loose
16:49.07Utah_Davemindjuju: did you put tunafart back in?  that's my favorite
16:49.28wpsthat's disgusting
16:49.30mindjujuactually, all our old commands are still there
16:49.47Utah_Davecool
16:49.56Utah_Davewps: yes, it's very disgusting
16:50.01mindjujuwhat happened was that a while ago, i was expirimenting with jbot and I invoked a function that temporarily removed all nonDefault commands
16:50.20mindjujui realized what i did and undid what i did and they all came back
16:50.31mindjujutada!
17:03.59optikaljsmith: How would you recommend I go about sending that template file as an email then?  Set all the html into a variable, and append onto the variable instead of echoing?
17:04.45jsmithoptikal: Have PHP call out the cli version of PHP to parse it?  
17:04.54jsmithoptikal: I'm not sure, I'm just throwing out random ideas
17:05.36macnewboldoptikal: that's one way, another is with output buffering: ob_start(), ob_get_contents(), ob_end_clean()
17:05.51mgearyhey, is there a better way for PHP to execute python code than just escaping to shell via system() ?
17:05.55optikalWould that still read the $_POST fine that is being sent to email.php? I dont deal with going out to cli often with php
17:06.07macnewboldturn on output buffering, include the file that echos all the stuff, then grab the buffer contents and voila
17:06.24optikalmacnewbold: oooh.  interesting.  I've never played with the output buffer.
17:06.26macnewboldoptikal: you can do the output buffering as the part of any normal web request easily
17:07.04macnewboldit's an easy way to turn any echo or printout from an included file or called function/method into returning a variable full of the data instead
17:07.20optikalPrecisely what I need. :)
17:12.31optikalmacnewbold: haha.  Worked first time. :)
17:12.34optikalThank you kindly.
17:12.37macnewboldsweet!
17:12.40optikalP.S. You're the man.
17:12.41macnewboldglad it helped
17:12.58macnewboldphp has tons of tools, if you just find out about the right ones at the right time
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17:14.19optikalYeah, thats what I've noticed.. why I always try and ask a few people before diving real deep into custom functions or whatever, there's usually a far simpler way. :)
17:21.10optikalmacnewbold: Although that is working, its actually echoing the include and not setting it to the variable.. let me pastebin
17:26.06optikalhttp://rafb.net/p/O6WIk194.html
17:26.13optikalSorry bout that, had a call come in
17:26.38optikalhehe nm
17:26.48optikalI just seen it.. I had ob_start; not ob_start();
17:26.55optikalChanged, and works as expected.
17:27.23optikal(I thought it worked because I was echoing the variable it was setting for testing purposes, so since it was including it normally it looked the same)
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17:34.03unumanyone here done any php+ldap
17:34.18unumI'm looking at using the db_ldap stuff
17:34.50Utah_Daveunum: I've done some php + ldap
17:35.12unumI can't find any documentation for the dsn array
17:35.21Utah_DaveI have an app that authenticates against Novell Ldap and pulls info from ldap
17:35.40unumI want to authenticate against openldap
17:36.03Utah_DaveHm, I remember doing a lot of print_r()'s to figure out what it returns
17:36.12Utah_Daveunum: It's not too hard
17:36.21unumwell I'm trying to figure out what to send it
17:36.33Utah_Davejust a minute. Let me pull up my file
17:36.36unumbut I can't find _anything_
17:36.47unumok I found one member of the array...
17:37.17unumdid you just use the regular ldap stuff?
17:37.59Utah_Daveyeah, I just used php's ldap functions
17:38.26unumguess I can look at the source
17:38.48Utah_Daveunum: I have to run to a meeting. When I get back I'll show you what I have working
17:39.51unumthanks
17:40.04unumlooking at the source was way easier than googling
17:40.28thebigdogunum i have done alot of php ldap stuff
17:42.50unumthebigdog: do you use the regular ldap stuff
17:42.59thebigdogunum here is an article i wrote on php ldap with windows ad
17:43.07thebigdoghttp://builder.com.com/5100-6387_14-5032010.html?tag=search
17:43.25thebigdogthat uses the ldap functions exclusively
17:44.18unumI want to use the db_ldap stuff because I'm using the pear db stuff
17:44.28unumbut I can't find any documentation
17:44.29thebigdogit should be similar then
17:44.40unumyou pass an array to connect
17:44.52thebigdogyeah that has the connection info
17:45.16thebigdogcheck out my example of connecting to ldap and that should help you create your dsn
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18:04.02Lone_Wanderermacnewbold: What kind of mileage do you get in your hybrid?
18:04.48macnewboldEPA rating is IIRC 28 MPG highway, 31 MPG city (yes, city is better than highway in a hybrid)
18:05.30burninforerunner?
18:05.33macnewboldour actual average (most of our mileage is highway) is about 25-26 I think, but that's the same in almost any car (EPA estimates are pretty generous cause they are in optimal conditions)
18:05.41macnewboldno, Toyota Highlander Hybrid
18:05.52macnewboldI don't think they have a hybrid 4runner
18:07.01burninhave you used it for towing?
18:07.46burninI'd like to have a hybrid pickup
18:10.24burninGM makes a full size hybrid pickup, but the mileage isn't that much better than the non-hybrids if I recall correctly.
18:22.00mgearylooks like i'm just entering the market for a truck
18:22.39mgearyi'm looking pretty strongly at the Toyota Tacoma
18:22.52wpsI've never understood why people consider the "internet" and "web" to be proper nouns
18:28.03macnewboldburnin: actually, I used it for towing last saturday. pulled a giant Crown Victoria at about 50mph+ across the salt flats. I was pretty happy with its power under the load. I'm not impressed at all by the hybrid offerings of Ford/GM/etc. - I am most impressed with Toyota hybrids, though the Hondas look okay too. (Part of it may be that toyota holds a lot of patents on their hybrid tech.)
18:28.07macnewboldI hope he comes back...
18:31.35Lone_WandererWhat's the Mac installation... thing?
18:32.07macnewboldmac installation thing?
18:32.11mgearyhuh?
18:32.23Lone_Wandereryum? apt?
18:32.54mgearynada
18:33.11mgearythere isn't an established package manager for OS X, but there are some independent efforts
18:33.14mgearydarwinports, fink
18:33.18mgearywhat do you want to do?
18:33.22Lone_Wandererinstall lynx
18:33.36tierrafink or darwinports (though I think darwinports is dead)
18:33.40mgearyi just compile the source code
18:33.45macnewboldLone_Wanderer: darwinports
18:33.52macnewboldLone_Wanderer: sudo dport install lynx
18:33.53Lone_Wandererk
18:34.06mgearybut you have to have darwinports installed first
18:34.10macnewboldyeah, he does
18:34.11macnewbold:)
18:34.25Lone_WandererErr.  I thought I did.
18:34.50mgearyuh, that should have stayed in the 3rd person, sorry
18:35.30macnewboldhehe
18:35.43tierraI've had problems with both fink and darwinports before... and don't try using both, I've had to wipe a Mac after doing that
18:35.54macnewboldhaha, yeah, that would be a bit of a mess I bet
18:36.53mgearyshouldn't be
18:37.09tierrait sucks though because sometimes fink has stuff darwinports doesn't, and the other way around :(
18:37.13mgearybecause they both go into their own directory (/sw and /opt)
18:37.13mgearyno?
18:38.35tierrathey do, but some packages aren't properly cleaned/configured or something... just take my word for it, 2 weeks of use like that, and I had to wipe, the mac was nearly useless
18:38.37thebigdogjust install portage and you should be fine :)
18:39.14macnewboldLone_Wanderer: did that dport command work?
18:39.34tierramy paths and other environment variables were really screwed up
18:40.15macnewbold~portage deinstall thebigdog
18:40.26thebigdog~love macnewbold
18:40.29jbotIf you love macnewbold so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh)
18:40.49macnewboldeww
18:41.02macnewbold~prison thebigdog
18:41.03jbotACTION puts thebigdog in prison for 25 years, forced to install windows XP in a 386 with 4 Mb RAM, till thebigdog will be successful
18:41.08thebigdogjbot, cause he drives a hybrid
18:41.10Lone_WandererOh well, I got the number anyway.
18:44.31thebigdog~pimpslap macnewbold
18:44.33jbotthebigdog pimpslaps macnewbold.  ouch!
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18:47.27PoeticIntensityIs thebigdog a portage fan?
18:47.34brastowps, I'll send that email on April's topic this afternoon or evening.  Just a quick fyi.  gotta run.
18:47.34PoeticIntensitycan it be that he likes gentoo?
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18:47.56thebigdogoh yeah
18:48.06PoeticIntensityniiice.
18:48.18thebigdogwhen i get a mac...gentoo is going on that boy
18:48.30PoeticIntensityI love it.
18:48.36PoeticIntensityman... once portage grows on ya... there's no going back.
18:48.41thebigdogmacnewbold i think im going to get one of them macmini
18:48.53PoeticIntensitywhy ya gettin' a mac, thebigdog?
18:49.03thebigdogjust cause i want one
18:49.10PoeticIntensityno other reason?
18:49.13thebigdogyep
18:49.14PoeticIntensityI'm just curious.
18:49.21thebigdogcause i got $$$ to burn
18:49.22PoeticIntensitymind if I pry and ask why you want one?
18:49.28PoeticIntensityheh..... ahh.. okay.
18:49.41PoeticIntensityI've never understood why people will install Linux on a mac....
18:49.42thebigdogcause if i dont spend it the wife will
18:49.52PoeticIntensitywhen they could just buy a normal x86 machine and install it.
18:49.58thebigdogwell i might dual boot it
18:50.07thebigdogi want to see if the wife likes it
18:50.10PoeticIntensityah.
18:50.18PoeticIntensitygranted, they are beautiful machines...
18:50.28PoeticIntensitybut, man... ya sure do pay a price for that beauty.
18:50.34thebigdogif the wife likes it then im getting ride of all the windows machines
18:50.50PoeticIntensityNow you're talkin'!
18:51.01thebigdogthat is probably the main reason
18:51.06PoeticIntensityhear hear!
18:51.09PoeticIntensityand a good one at that!
18:51.27PoeticIntensityany decision that leads to the riddance of a windows box is a good one.
18:51.36PoeticIntensitytee hee....
18:51.52PoeticIntensityanyone have anything good to say about Vista midst the UPHPU audience?
18:52.00thebigdogyeah...mac is user friendly and she needs that
18:52.02PoeticIntensityI've heard from many a windows fanatic that it sucks.
18:52.05mgearydataw0lf was going on about it a while ago (vista)
18:52.16PoeticIntensitybad or good?
18:52.20thebigdogyeah check the logs
18:52.21mgearyseems like he liked it, not sure why
18:52.31PoeticIntensityah see.
18:52.36thebigdoghe gave some props for the security i guess
18:52.44PoeticIntensitynow...... stupid question alert!!!!
18:52.47PoeticIntensityHow do I check the logs?
18:53.08PoeticIntensity/var/log ?
18:53.09thebigdoguphpu.org
18:53.12PoeticIntensityah...
18:53.27optikalAny clue why gmail thinks a new message I'm sending is "quoted" and after I click "Display images below" it hides the whole message and I have to click "Show quoted text" to see it.
18:53.55optikalIt displays the message fine, minus the images, when you view it.. its not until you display the images that it hides the whole message as a quote.
18:54.44PoeticIntensityhrmm.....  I don't see any archives for IRC, but I do for the mailinglist...
18:54.46thebigdogPoeticIntensity, http://uphpu.org/pipermail/uphpu/
18:54.52PoeticIntensityyeah.. that's it.
18:55.26thebigdoglet me see if that is it
18:55.36PoeticIntensitygives an archive list.
18:55.47mgearyso, anyone remember that invoice duplicate query i was working on Monday end of day? I found an awesome solution
18:55.54PoeticIntensityI do.
18:55.59PoeticIntensitydid ya do it in a single query?
18:56.05mgearyyep
18:56.07mgeary.0038 seconds
18:56.13thebigdogPoeticIntensity, http://purl.rikers.org/%23uphpu/
18:56.15PoeticIntensity*awesome*!
18:56.16thebigdogthat is the irc one
18:56.23PoeticIntensitythebigdog: Thanks!
18:56.35thebigdogPoeticIntensity, np
18:56.36mgearyhttp://dpaste.com/7194/
18:56.48mgearyyou do a join on a subquery, and you do your grouping in the subquery
18:57.09mgearyso that produces a unique list of duplicated invoice numbers, and you then just grab each invoice that matches those dups
18:57.41mgearyor rather, subqueries inside FROMs
18:57.56optikalhehe, thats what I need to do
18:59.04PoeticIntensityholy cats, Batman!
18:59.04PoeticIntensityjoining a sub-select?
18:59.04mgearygroovy, eh?
18:59.04PoeticIntensity*very*
18:59.22PoeticIntensitymgeary deserves the buffing.
18:59.24PoeticIntensitywow.
18:59.55PoeticIntensityI work on SQL / PHP all day long....
19:00.00PoeticIntensitythis opens up a new realm of possiblities.
19:00.27PoeticIntensity*amazing*
19:00.30mgearyoh yeah
19:00.34mgearyit's way cool
19:00.34PoeticIntensitythanks for the paste, mgeary.
19:00.42mgearybut you do need a recent MySQL
19:00.47PoeticIntensitySQL never ceases to amaze me.
19:00.51PoeticIntensityI'm runnin' 5.0
19:00.53mgearyat the very least > 4.0
19:00.55PoeticIntensityyeah
19:00.57mgearyyeah, you're golden
19:01.13mgearyjust think of the iterations you'll save :)
19:01.32PoeticIntensitythis is true.
19:02.20PoeticIntensityI also have a templated admin system I've created here at work.... and the column sorting algorithm I wrote depends on a single-query that gathers all the data displayed.
19:02.32PoeticIntensityas soon as I have to iterate to gather data, I lose the ability to sort by that field.
19:02.41PoeticIntensityso this *is* golden.
19:02.43PoeticIntensitythanks, man.
19:02.51mgearythat'll be five bucks, please
19:03.00mgeary:P
19:03.00PoeticIntensitytell me where.
19:03.05PoeticIntensity;-)
19:03.21PoeticIntensityYa know....
19:03.24mgearyactually, you can pay pik over at #utahpython if i lose my $5 bet that it'll still snow 1" in Provo this year
19:03.31mgeary:)
19:03.34PoeticIntensityheh...
19:03.47PoeticIntensityI have a question..... a philosophical question about OSS....
19:04.13mgearyand
19:04.14mgeary?
19:04.22Lone_WandererMethinks he's typing it.
19:04.24PoeticIntensityThe more I think about OSS (and I don't even begin to claim I understand the underpinnings of how / why OSS works)  the more similarities I see between OSS and Socialism.
19:04.44PoeticIntensityand I, personally, am against socialism....
19:04.46Lone_WandererNo, it's OSS and COMMUNISM.
19:04.54PoeticIntensitywhat do you guys think?
19:05.05PoeticIntensitybecause... I *totally* love Linux...
19:05.11PoeticIntensityI'm devoting my income to it....
19:05.17Lone_WandererI think that socialism deals with money and real world goods, and in a socialist country is mandatory
19:05.17PoeticIntensityI program using it.
19:05.19PoeticIntensityetc....
19:05.32PoeticIntensityI'm not talking about Communism...
19:05.42PoeticIntensityI mean....  ... socialism...
19:05.43Lone_Wandererand OSS deals with software (which can be duplicated freely forever) and volunteered time, and is voluntary everywhere
19:05.49macnewboldthere are some similarities - both call for people to do good work and share it, contribute to society, etc
19:05.57PoeticIntensityyes.
19:06.08PoeticIntensityI need to go and study up on the foundation of OSS.
19:06.10Lone_WandererThe principles are similar, but they're applied differently.
19:06.23PoeticIntensityI'm dedicating a lot of time / effort into OSS, so I best be doing my homework about it.
19:06.58PoeticIntensitythe funny thing is, that... all other aspects of my life are soundly capitalistic / democratic.
19:06.58macnewboldin the right socialist society, I could imagine that people could spend time working on OSS to help other members of society, knowing that in exchange, the society would make sure their needs were met
19:07.22PoeticIntensitythat's true......
19:07.40PoeticIntensityso, in that scenario... what happens to capitalism?
19:07.42Lone_WandererAnd the communism thing was a joke.  Some serious people, and a lot of people parodying the serious people, have branded Linux as a communist OS from Russia.
19:08.09PoeticIntensitythe more I think about it, the more I see serious similarities between socialism (not communism) and OSS...
19:08.12PoeticIntensityhence, my question.
19:08.25PoeticIntensityI've been a free-loader for too long... (on OSS stuff).
19:08.38Lone_WandererI don't think that matters, really.
19:08.42PoeticIntensityas soon as I start contributing, my head tells me there's a conflict going on in my life.
19:08.42macnewboldlinux is from finland, not from russia, Lone_Wanderer
19:08.43Lone_WandererBeing a freeloader, I mean.
19:08.48Lone_Wanderermacnewbold: I know.
19:08.50PoeticIntensitynah... it doesn't matter.
19:08.51PoeticIntensityI know that.
19:08.54PoeticIntensityit's nothing major...
19:09.01Lone_WandererHence the comedy.
19:09.11macnewboldbut it ruins the joke, cause finland isn't communist last I checked
19:09.20PoeticIntensityhowever, my morals tell me that I simply *must* contribute if I want to continue using this stuff...
19:09.41macnewboldthat's the great thing about OSS - it doesn't matter how many freeloaders there are,
19:09.42PoeticIntensityI'm constantly amazed at the power of Linux......
19:09.45PoeticIntensityI can't believe it's free.
19:09.47macnewboldbecause once the work is done,
19:09.51Lone_WandererNo, that *is* the joke.  Finland, iirc, was vehemently against Russia in WWII and has never been communist.  So when some blowhard says that Linux is a communist OS...
19:10.03PoeticIntensityyou're right, macnewbold.
19:10.05macnewboldit's done, and the number of freeloaders doesn't make it any harder or more costly, because the work is already done
19:10.12PoeticIntensitythat's true....
19:10.20PoeticIntensityI'm speaking solely of my moral judgement.
19:10.27PoeticIntensityI *want* to be a part of it.
19:10.34PoeticIntensityto contribute, etc....
19:10.43PoeticIntensityI've just gotta dig deeper.
19:11.03macnewboldbut it is very nice to have people who are able give back in some way, be it monetary, testing, bug fixes, writing code, writing docs, publicity/marketing/evangelism, or whatever
19:11.03thebigdogfreeloaders in not a valid term though...cause if you use the production then you have contributed as well
19:11.04PoeticIntensityfind out for myself about the whole philosophy behind OSS and decide whether I'm for it, or against it.
19:11.29PoeticIntensitythebigdog: how so?
19:11.54PoeticIntensityhow am I contributing by using it?
19:12.00Lone_WandererPoeticIntensity: Pick up The Cathedral and The Bazaar.  I'm not a huge ESR fan, and it's not explicitly about OSS, but it talks about it a fair bit.
19:12.01thebigdogusing the product increases it ability to move forward...whether you are promoting is use, finding bugs etc
19:12.12Lone_Wanderer(It's about two development models, one just happens to be used by OSS.)
19:12.45PoeticIntensitythebigdog: That's true....  Once I find anything worth using or having, I become a huge advocate of it.
19:12.53Lone_WandererA program with no user base doesn't really serve a purpose.  So by using it you're increasing it's user base and therefore its prestige in the world of OSS projects.
19:12.54PoeticIntensityI'm a pretty good salesman, inadvertantly.
19:13.30thebigdogthere are also other aspects too...like spreading the knowledge...code exchanges
19:13.59thebigdogdevelopment processes...and above all (my fav)...bring peeps together
19:14.14PoeticIntensityhrmmmm.......
19:14.24PoeticIntensityI really like spreading the knowledge.... etc....
19:14.26PoeticIntensitygood stuff...
19:14.31PoeticIntensitybringing people together is even better.
19:14.32thebigdoghowever, the socialist aspect is there too
19:14.36PoeticIntensityI've never thought of it like that.
19:14.44PoeticIntensity*sigh*...
19:14.48PoeticIntensityI'll figure it all out eventually.
19:14.58thebigdogsometimes you just have sucks products
19:15.07PoeticIntensityI initially got into OSS because I hated pirating, but it was my only option if I wanted to keep using windows.
19:15.16PoeticIntensityI was a poor college student.
19:15.35PoeticIntensityso.... Linux was a great alternative.
19:15.39PoeticIntensityand now it pays the bills.
19:15.41macnewboldso if you're getting other people to use OSS too, then you're helping the cause, both directly contributing, and indirectly, if your new users end up contributing, you're partly responsible for making that possible too
19:15.56PoeticIntensitytrue...true....
19:16.33PoeticIntensitybrb
19:16.39Lone_WandererSocialism in this case isn't bad.  OSS is developed (in most cases, see Novell adopting some Linux distros) on a volunteer basis.
19:16.57thebigdogi think oss takes from many areas: capitalism, socialism, communism
19:17.12Lone_WandererOnly if you live in a socialist country, you have no choice but to participate.
19:17.25Lone_WandererWith OSS, you can opt out.
19:17.40thebigdogcommunism in the terms of a strong head that drives development
19:17.53Lone_WandererAye, a benevolent dictator.
19:18.05thebigdogtake freebsd and openbsd and what you mentioned Lone_Wanderer
19:18.15thebigdogthere is prime example of both
19:18.22thebigdogand the kernel in general
19:18.48thebigdogbut like mentioned you have the option to do what you want and when you want
19:19.08macnewboldsocialism and socialist societies do not exist solely via government mandate, and may even exist within a capitalist society
19:19.13Lone_WandererOSS is about freedom; socialism and communism are about slavery
19:19.27macnewbolddepends how they're practiced, Lone_Wanderer
19:19.31Lone_WandererI guess you could opt into a socialist society.
19:19.33thebigdogthe true idea of communism is not about slavery
19:19.41Lone_Wanderera la the Hooderites.
19:20.23macnewboldzionism or "consecration" would both be examples of opt-in societies of a socialist nature, I think
19:20.26thebigdogit has some good ideas, but how it is implemented is where the issues arise
19:20.35macnewboldyep
19:20.48thebigdogmacnewbold, or even communist to an extent
19:21.15macnewbolddepending on how you define them, absolutely
19:21.47macnewboldas long as you don't use the USSR or China as your definitive example of communism
19:21.56thebigdogbut communism is also a subpart of socialism
19:22.13thebigdogtrue..that is a prime example of how it can fail
19:23.13thebigdogi think in nature you find great examples of communism and socialism
19:23.36Lone_Wandererin nature?
19:23.59thebigdogyeah...if you look how groups of animals co-exist
19:24.06thebigdogpacks of animals
19:25.31thebigdogi watch a great documentry on monkeys that reflected some of ideas
19:25.57macnewboldexactly - when individuals act for a common good, they improve their individual chances of success as well
19:26.18macnewboldcall it brownie points if you want, but by earning them, you benefit by having them later
19:26.57thebigdogim all about capitalism...big business...killing the little guy...driving prices
19:27.11thebigdogmaking $$$$$$$
19:27.37Lone_WandererWell, with animals in a small group, sure.
19:28.05Utah_Daveunum: did you get LDAP working?
19:28.23unumUtah_Dave: think so
19:28.32unumthebigdog: thanks for the link that helped
19:28.40unumI need to look at my schema now
19:28.51Utah_Daveok, well feel free to hit me up with any questions
19:28.54unum(I went to lunch when I got to that point)
19:28.58thebigdogunum, no problem...that was an old article
19:29.16unumI think I came across it yesterday when I was searching for stuff
19:29.41thebigdogyeah i did that a few years ago when i did authentication via ad with ldap
19:30.01thebigdogactually worked really well for the apps we created
19:32.44PoeticIntensityinteresting commentary, thebigdog, macnewbold, and Lone_Wanderer
19:32.49unumI think you left out an = in an example
19:33.00thebigdogunum, probably
19:39.19Lone_WandererI wonder if the Pastafarians maintain any kind of membership records.
19:40.47Lone_WandererOr if it's like Islam, where you just say you're a member and you are.
19:44.06macnewboldLast I heard, Islam isn't like that... but I could be wrong
19:44.14macnewboldor rather, the people who told me could be wrong
19:54.26Lone_WandererActually, what you have to say is "There is no God but God, and Mohammed is his prophet", in Arabic
19:54.32Lone_Wandererwhich I can say but don't know how to spell
19:55.27mgearyheh. is that your middle-eastern insurance policy? :)
19:55.27Lone_Wandererbecause it's the first part of prayer call, which means I got to hear it several times a day for two years
19:55.27mgearyah
19:55.27Lone_Wandererlol no
19:55.36mgearyi wish they taught Arabic in schools here. i'd love for my kids to learn it.
19:55.51mgearywhat better way to cross divides than to understand each other?
19:55.55Lone_WandererWelll, you can study it in College.
19:55.58Lone_Wanderer-l
19:56.00mgearyyeah
19:56.44Lone_WandererI suspect if you tried to get an Arabic class going in a high school you'd have people protesting against bringing that heathen, devil language into our schools, won't someone think of the Children, what language would Jesus speak, etc.
19:57.34mgearyi suspect so :(
19:58.11Lone_WandererWhich would be amusing because I suspect that Aramaic is closely related to Arabic, and I *know* that Hebrew is.
19:58.52Lone_WandererFor a change of pace, I have an on-topic question.
19:58.55macnewboldyeah, kinda funny huh
19:58.59macnewbold~lart topics
19:59.16Lone_WandererWhy is it that my select multiple box isn't passing an array of the options I pick?
19:59.21Lone_WandererDo I have to switch to check boxes?
20:01.19mgearyis the name of the select:
20:01.23Lone_Wandererohh, right
20:01.26mgeary<select name=my_options[]
20:01.27Lone_Wanderer[]
20:01.30mgearyyeah
20:01.31mgeary:)
20:02.14Lone_Wandereryay, thanks
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20:29.22mindjuju~ranq
20:29.35jbotACTION Shop smart. Shop S-Mart.
20:33.04thebigdogdoes he only do 1 quote?
20:33.09thebigdog~ranq
20:33.11jbotACTION get in the flask!
20:33.40mindjujuyou know what, thebigdog, we should do one with bruce campbell quotes
20:33.43mindjujulike 10 of them
20:34.04thebigdogyeah that would be great
20:34.12thebigdogor monty python quotes
20:34.28mindjujuyeah, MP is good
20:34.36thebigdog~mpsays
20:36.54mindjujuhelmet?  it's definently a tom petty day
20:37.03thebigdogoh no tom petty today
20:37.15thebigdogi think i only like on album from him
20:38.13thebigdogi had a crazy dream last night i bought a gwar album from a small tienda shop
20:40.31wps~tienda
20:40.37wps~gwar
20:41.03wpsjbot, Gwar is a novelty rock/heavy metal/punk band that was formed in 1985-1986 in Richmond, Virginia. Gwar are probably best known for their elaborate fantasy and horror inspired stage shows which have sometimes run afoul of obscenity statutes.
20:41.05jbotwps: okay
20:41.35wpsjbot, tienda is a general merchandise store
20:41.37jbotokay, wps
20:42.17Utah_Dave~tienda
20:42.18jbotrumour has it, tienda is a general merchandise store
20:42.46mgeary~simon and garfunkel
20:46.35Utah_Davejbot: wpsAttack $1 is <action> (grabs $1's global.css|grabs $1's table-based layout) and starts to (go postal on $1|chastise $1|learn $1 some css)!
20:46.36jbotokay, Utah_Dave
20:46.44Utah_Dave~wpsAttack mindjuju
20:46.46jbotACTION grabs mindjuju's table-based layout and starts to learn mindjuju some css!
20:47.08mindjujua wps attack?
20:47.12mindjujucool
20:47.16Utah_Dave:) sweet
20:47.21wps:)
20:50.29mgearynice
20:53.01Lone_Wanderer~wpsattack Lone_Wanderer
20:53.02jbotACTION grabs Lone_Wanderer's global.css and starts to go postal on Lone_Wanderer!
20:55.15wpswow, thebigdog, I youtube searched Gwar find out what it was and… uh… wow
20:55.19wpsweird stuff
20:55.32thebigdogyeah they are crazy
20:55.53thebigdogfunny to watch...but dont go to the concert unless you want to come home feeling like you just got crapped out
20:58.43thebigdogthe funniest one ive seen is there paris hilton show
20:59.01thebigdogi just say parts of it..or her
20:59.07thebigdogi mean
21:49.50Lone_Wandererjbot: I eat sunflower seeds way too fast.
21:49.57jbotYou eat sunflower seeds way too fast.?
21:50.42Lone_Wandererjbot: Lone_Wanderer is also goes through sunflower seeds way too fast
21:50.45jbotokay, Lone_Wanderer
21:50.50Lone_Wanderer~Lone_Wanderer
21:50.51jboti guess lone_wanderer is out riding fences, or an acolyte of mindjuju, or heckariffic, or goes through sunflower seeds way too fast
21:50.59Lone_Wandererheckariffic?
21:51.50Utah_Dave~dictionary heckariffic
21:51.56jbotsee dict heckariffic
21:52.06Utah_Dave~dict heckariffic
21:53.15thebigdog~heckariffic
21:54.04Utah_Dave~heckariffic thebigdog
21:54.31Utah_Davewouldn't it be cool if you could have your irc client autocomplete jbot's commands?
21:54.45mindjujuthat would be cool
21:55.02Utah_DaveI could put ~tunafart mindjuju on a hotkey or something
21:55.16mindjujuoh, i think i have a prog that could do that!
21:55.23thebigdogi do
21:55.24Lone_Wanderer~heckariffic
21:55.26jbotACTION dyes his hair blonde, frizzes it up into a gigantic 'fro, and hollers "Oh my Heyyyyack!"
21:55.43thebigdogty Lone_Wanderer
21:57.43Utah_Dave~wpsAttack thebigdog
21:57.45jbotACTION grabs thebigdog's global.css and starts to chastise thebigdog!
22:04.02Lone_WandererIf I have an input type="text" and it's empty, is it set but empty in _POST?
22:04.11Lone_WandererI know I could just test it but asking you guys is quicker :p
22:04.13mgearyyes
22:04.57Lone_Wandereryay
22:04.57mgearyonly checkboxes don't transmit if they're not selected
22:04.57mgearythat is, no value is supplied for unchecked checkboxes
22:04.57Lone_Wandererok cool
22:04.57mgearyhmm. might also be the case for unchecked radio groups
22:15.25thebigdoghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScA7vDC2u10
22:16.33mgearythat's just wrong
22:16.55Lone_WandererWhat, a monkey eunuch?
22:17.01thebigdoglol
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22:17.37mindjujuthe eunuch of the monkey king?
22:18.21Lone_WandererYou should have said it's NSFW :p
22:18.24Lone_WandererThat or I should have just known.
22:18.31wpsman… I can't believe it's already a quarter after four
22:19.38mindjujuhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWRKlNlRsgI
22:20.14mindjujuGWAR interview
22:22.56mindjujuwow, this interview is awesome!
22:23.11mindjujuthebigdog -  you got to watch it
22:27.57thebigdogthat is great
22:28.04mindjujuwasn't that hilarious
22:28.08mindjujui just finished watching it
22:28.19mindjujui think i'm going to take that one home to have Tiffany watch
22:28.23mindjujuthey are REALLY funny
22:28.37thebigdogthey are great
22:28.51thebigdogi eat too many chilli cheese burritos
22:29.24mindjujuyeah, i had to stop the movie at that point, cause i was laughing too hard and didn't want to miss anything
22:29.32thebigdogit is great
22:45.44Lone_WandererI always feel so dumb when I get frustrated that something's not working right
22:45.44Lone_Wandererand then I realize I've got a ! when I shouldn't, or vice versa.
22:46.44thebigdogtiminator has that problem all the time
22:47.04timinatortoo true
22:47.39timinator:)
22:47.58thebigdogtiminator must be workign hard today...you need ot check out some gwarrrrrr
22:48.22thebigdogso mindjuju when is the next lunch up my way?
22:49.17beandogthebigdog: where is your way
22:49.23thebigdognorth
22:49.34beandogcan you be more specific?
22:49.42thebigdoglayton to be very
22:49.48beandoghmm
22:50.01thebigdogkaysville
22:50.05beandognope
22:50.10thebigdogcenterville
22:50.12thebigdogbountiful
22:50.14beandognaybags
22:50.14thebigdogclearfield
22:50.19beandogbountiful, yay
22:50.24thebigdognorth of that
22:50.51thebigdogthat is ok...most natives have the same problem
22:51.18mgearythe big question, of course, is, "how do you pronounce 'Toole'?"
22:51.28thebigdogso you have like bountiful -> centerville -> kaysville -> layton -> clearfield -> riverdale
22:53.36thebigdogbeandog, where you living?
22:53.42thebigdog~wake mindjuju
22:53.45jbotACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!"
22:53.45beandogsalt lake
22:53.54mgearyshow of hands, who here is in Utah Valley?
22:54.09beandogwhich one is which
22:54.50mgearyProvo/Orem/PG/AF are in Utah Valley
22:55.03mgeary(as well as Lehi, Spanish Fark, Payson, etc)
22:55.38beandogis there another valley?
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22:55.43mgearywhoops
22:55.43PoeticIntensityand thebigdog - ya forgot the most important city.
22:55.58mgearyanyway, i'm in Orem, i know _psychic_ is just up the block from me...
22:56.02mgearywho else is around here?
22:56.03thebigdogPoeticIntensity, wood cross?
22:56.04PoeticIntensity<PROTECTED>
22:56.21thebigdoglol...i hate farmington...i did that on purpose...not
22:56.23_psychic_mgeary: where are you at?
22:56.28PoeticIntensityor... Lagoonville.
22:56.36thebigdogyeah
22:56.40mgearyi'm at 560 South State, just off of Orem Blvd
22:56.41beandogmmm Lagoon
22:56.44beandogIve never been there either.
22:56.45PoeticIntensityLagoon is a parasite.
22:57.08mgeary_psychic_: how long you been with MR?
22:57.15thebigdogmy favorite ride is the haunted house...the old one...i road 25 years ago
22:57.16beandogEdna and Bob and Fran
22:57.19_psychic_mgeary: about a year and a half
22:57.37mgearyis that before or after the Gravity acquisition?
22:57.50PoeticIntensityFran!
22:58.06PoeticIntensityHoly crap, I need today to be Friday.
22:58.12thebigdogsame here
22:58.17PoeticIntensityI need to go driving...
22:58.20PoeticIntensitywanna go driving, Beandog?
22:58.22_psychic_mgeary: after
22:58.32beandogmmm, no.  I gotta go home and uh ...
22:58.34mgearyah
22:58.36PoeticIntensitybathe?
22:58.37PoeticIntensityLOL
22:58.58beandogdo laundry, now that I think about it
22:59.03PoeticIntensityoh dude....
22:59.16PoeticIntensitylaundry is the reason you couldn't come down YESTERDAY!
22:59.30PoeticIntensityyou're a flippin' fetcher.
22:59.32PoeticIntensity;-)
22:59.36mgearyanyway, so who's in my neck o' the woods besides _psychic_ ?
22:59.52beandogPoeticIntensity: oh yah.
23:00.03beandog~excuse
23:00.17jboti heard excuse is http://www.randomexcuse.com/
23:00.17mgeary~lame excuse
23:00.19jbotUgh, excuse's aura of lame is affecting me!
23:00.28mgearyhahah
23:01.45mgearyso i was playing around with CodeIgniter the other day...
23:02.30mindjujuthebigdog the next one is a northside one
23:02.49thebigdogthat needs scheduled
23:03.05mgearyi'm a bit surprised that (at least in my 20 minutes of play) if you have 3 CI apps, you need to have a dedicated, largely redundant set of CodeIgniter source files for each app
23:03.11mindjujuin fact, we need to start planning for it next week because it should be the first friday of the month
23:03.19mindjujuwhere our meets are on the third thursday of every month
23:03.26mindjujuso every 2 weeks there is an event
23:03.54thebigdogswet
23:04.13mindjujuthebigdog, got a resturant you want to recommend ?
23:04.27thebigdogwhat did you guys do last time here?
23:04.45thebigdogim not too familiar with bountiful
23:04.57mindjujurodolfo's in bountiful
23:05.08thebigdogthat might be good again
23:05.24PoeticIntensityBombay House, baby!
23:05.28PoeticIntensity*GREAT* Indian food.
23:05.38thebigdogis there one in bountiful?
23:05.41mindjujuconcur, bombay house is good
23:05.42thebigdogi love indian
23:06.43mindjujuwell, there is a bombay house in the SLC
23:06.49mindjuju1615 South Foothill Dr.
23:06.50mindjujuSalt Lake City, Utah 84108
23:06.54thebigdogouch
23:07.02mindjujuthe only other one is in provo
23:07.05mindjujuBUT!
23:07.16mindjujui bet there is an indian resturant in bountiful or something
23:07.20thebigdogi think i might be the only one coming from the north
23:07.26thebigdogcause timinator will be busy
23:08.26mindjujuthebigdog what is your zip code ?
23:08.34thebigdog84041
23:09.43mindjujuwell, there is an indian resturant near xmission in downtown, but that isn't quiet bountiful
23:09.58macnewboldindian food? what where? when?
23:10.01mindjujuhey, thebigdog , look at this link
23:10.02mindjujuhttp://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=84041+indian+restaurant&layer=&ie=UTF8&z=10&om=1
23:10.12mindjujumacnewbold, thebigdog and I were just talking about the next geek lunch
23:10.16mindjujufirst friday of April
23:10.32mindjujuhe was thinking indian food
23:10.50mindjujuand i was saying that it is the north side's turn to do somthing near bountiful
23:11.25thebigdoghow many attended the last one?
23:11.30thebigdogin the north?
23:11.47mindjujuoh, north, ah macnewbold, correct me if i'm wrong, but i think the final count was 14
23:12.12mindjujuwe had gibba and friend come just after we were seated
23:12.39macnewboldin the north? yeah, it was well attended in bountiful, but the majority of us were from SL Valley...
23:12.44thebigdogthat star of india?
23:12.47macnewboldwe did pick up timinator though
23:13.19mindjujunever been there, is that too far south for you though?
23:13.21macnewboldstar of india and himilayan kitchen are both in the neighborhood of XM, in downtown SLC, pretty close to freeway exits at 400-600 south
23:13.36mindjujuyeah, himilayan kitchen is good eats
23:13.39mindjujuand buffet too
23:13.55thebigdogthat might be good...i like a little buffet
23:13.58mindjujuplus, i could always go and visist my server while i'm down there
23:14.09mindjujucourse though, here is a warning about himilayan kitchen
23:14.12thebigdogas long as they have decent parking
23:14.15mindjujuthe parking SUX!!
23:14.25thebigdogarrrrggggghhhhhh
23:14.35thebigdogggggggggggggwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
23:14.42mindjujuyeah, you have parking meters on the state st
23:14.51mindjujuand those are often filled
23:15.10mindjujuwell, though, if you don't mind walking a block, you'll find something
23:15.24thebigdogi dont mind something by the freeway with decent parking
23:15.25mindjujuit's REALLY good eats though
23:15.45mindjujui've never seen star of india so don't know about the parking there
23:15.55mindjujumacnewbold, do you know if star of india has good parking?
23:15.59thebigdogthey got 4 stars
23:16.09macnewboldI think they're now in the same building as XM
23:16.11macnewboldso no
23:16.46macnewbold~gwar thebigdog
23:16.52mindjujuoh really?  i must not be paying attention as i pass them by
23:16.56mindjujuwell, if we car pool, it should be ok
23:17.02macnewboldthey recently moved there
23:17.11thebigdogi dont care where we eat as long as it is easy to find and has some good parking
23:17.15macnewboldactually, park and ride from a trax lot would make a lot of sense
23:17.21macnewboldit's right by the trax station
23:17.28mindjujuand timinator might be able to go, cause he's got a server at XM
23:17.34macnewboldthe courthouse or the city center one I think, just about a block to walk
23:19.12mindjujuisn't AJAX an acronym ?
23:19.20timinatorI'll read the conversation in a sec
23:20.27timinatoryes... Asynchronous JavaScript and XML
23:20.50thebigdoggoogle maps rocks
23:20.52mindjujui wonder why the OpenAjax Alliance doesn't cap it
23:21.01mindjujuit should be OpenAJAX
23:21.08thebigdogthe bubble is right in the middle of the street nice one
23:21.10mindjujuthey must not have a proofer
23:21.40thebigdogit is all based on crazy calcs
23:21.50thebigdogi worked for the company they got their images from though
23:22.01mindjujucrazy calcs ?
23:22.18mindjujulike the sqr root of 10 miticloreans + N ?
23:22.23thebigdogkinda
23:23.16thebigdogthey have to factor...satelite data, images, how images map on the globe and other crap
23:24.22mindjujuplus the fact that while it is represented as a 2D image on the computer, it was taken as a 3D image from the sat.  i'm sure the curviture of the planet plays games with the distance
23:24.50thebigdogyeah and you have to deal with the type of lense the camera uses too
23:25.33mindjujuso thebigdog, you don't mind going to the SLC for next geek lunch ?
23:25.37mindjujuas long as parking is good, right?
23:25.38thebigdognope
23:25.41thebigdogyep
23:28.25thebigdogim out
23:28.43timinatorI've got to go too.... later guys
23:29.11mgearyslackers, every one. slackers
23:31.39mgearyalright, i'm outta here too
23:31.42mindjujucya
23:31.54mgearylater. oh, and thanks for the "promotion" today :)
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23:32.26PoeticIntensityI'd love to come, too..
23:32.52PoeticIntensityman... today has been such that tomorrow needs to be Saturday.
23:32.55PoeticIntensity*neeeeeeeeeeeeeds*
23:33.10PoeticIntensityso... did we decide we're going to SLC?
23:33.14PoeticIntensityhopefully southern SLC?
23:33.28PoeticIntensityI'd love to come to the lunch, but man... last one took me 2 hours, during my 1-hour lunch break. :)
23:33.46mindjujui think its going to be downtown SLC
23:33.50PoeticIntensitybah...
23:33.59mindjujuexcept that both those places have bad parking
23:34.00PoeticIntensityI wouldn't mind meeting thebigdog, but man...
23:34.07PoeticIntensitythat's a little too far north.
23:34.23mindjujui'll have to see how far south he's willing to go
23:35.12PoeticIntensitymidpoint between Bountiful and Springville would be.... around 40-50th south.
23:35.14PoeticIntensityI'd do that.
23:35.32PoeticIntensitydefinitely.

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