| 00:00.05 | beandog | 20g I think. |
| 00:00.10 | beandog | but its got network capabilities |
| 00:00.13 | mindjuju | 8g and 10g |
| 00:00.17 | beandog | so you can pretty much just use it for a friendly, quiet frontend. |
| 00:00.17 | mindjuju | though mine has a 40g |
| 00:00.35 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: did you listen to any more? |
| 00:00.49 | Lone_Wanderer | no, I switched back to bluemars and am now listening to... |
| 00:00.55 | beandog | :C |
| 00:01.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Cloudwalker II, which is one of my favorite songs that they play. |
| 00:02.58 | beandog | I swear CSS hates me. |
| 00:03.26 | mindjuju | whats giving you probs beandog? |
| 00:03.30 | Lone_Wanderer | It hates everyone who does not burn incense at it's altar and pay it homage regularly. |
| 00:03.48 | PoeticIntensity | Ohh.... First Encounter was good, too. |
| 00:04.32 | beandog | a borg dungeon master! |
| 00:05.10 | beandog | PoeticIntensity: first encounter? eh? |
| 00:05.36 | beandog | do you mean first contact? lmao |
| 00:06.14 | beandog | PoeticIntensity fails the geek test |
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| 00:09.28 | Lone_Wanderer | If his chest had been a cannon, he would have shot his heart out upon it. |
| 00:11.07 | mindjuju | I will not sacrifice the Enterprise. We've made too many compromises already; too many retreats. They invade our space, and we fall back. They assimilate entire worlds, and we fall back. Not again. The line must be drawn here! This far, no further! And I will make them pay for what they've done! |
| 00:11.22 | mgeary | By Grabthar's Hammar |
| 00:11.45 | beandog | Galaxy Quest++ |
| 00:11.51 | mgeary | amen, brother |
| 00:12.10 | mindjuju | oh man! Galaxy Quest rox! |
| 00:12.22 | mindjuju | have ya'll seen that signorney weaver flub up though? |
| 00:12.24 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh, two star trek movies quote Moby Dick |
| 00:12.24 | beandog | Look, I have one stupid job to do on this ship, and Im going to do it, okay? |
| 00:12.41 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: whats the other one |
| 00:12.44 | PoeticIntensity | ahhhh. crap. |
| 00:12.44 | Lone_Wanderer | lol, what's her job? |
| 00:12.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Wrath of Kahn |
| 00:12.48 | PoeticIntensity | First Contact. |
| 00:12.49 | PoeticIntensity | dangit. |
| 00:12.52 | mgeary | LW: she repeats the computer |
| 00:12.58 | PoeticIntensity | I figured out my dilemma. |
| 00:13.01 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Moby_Dick |
| 00:13.06 | beandog | huzzah! |
| 00:13.12 | beandog | Wrath of Khan is great. |
| 00:13.14 | PoeticIntensity | nested foreach loops saves the day. |
| 00:13.21 | beandog | Search for Spock is an awesome movie too. |
| 00:13.22 | PoeticIntensity | saves = save. |
| 00:13.27 | PoeticIntensity | I need to get outta here. |
| 00:13.37 | PoeticIntensity | a'ight... |
| 00:13.38 | beandog | chau hombre |
| 00:13.40 | Lone_Wanderer | If I watch the first movie, will I get all the info I need to understand the second? |
| 00:13.40 | PoeticIntensity | chao, boys. |
| 00:13.51 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: watch what, which, what? |
| 00:13.52 | beandog | first? |
| 00:13.52 | beandog | eh? |
| 00:14.01 | Lone_Wanderer | the first Star Trek movie |
| 00:14.05 | beandog | Watch Star Trek 2-4 |
| 00:14.07 | beandog | and youll be good. |
| 00:14.11 | beandog | its all one story anyway. |
| 00:14.17 | Lone_Wanderer | But not the first one? |
| 00:14.17 | mindjuju | at the end of Galaxy Quest, when she and Tim Allen have to go through the smasher thing to get to deactivate the countdown, they dub over what she says. The dub says "forget that!" but if you look at her lips she's really saying "F__k that! |
| 00:14.25 | beandog | Lone_Wanderer: nah. 1st one is .... okay. |
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| 00:15.09 | beandog | watch 2-4, first contact and insurrection |
| 00:15.12 | beandog | everything else is ... meh. |
| 00:15.32 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 00:15.45 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, First Contact and Insurrection were great |
| 00:15.47 | beandog | whats my name, whats my name? |
| 00:16.22 | beandog | Voice of Computer: Systems registering functional. |
| 00:16.23 | beandog | Gwen DeMarco: All systems are working, Commander. |
| 00:17.12 | beandog | Tommy Webber: You know, that is really getting annoying. |
| 00:17.12 | beandog | Gwen DeMarco: [shouts] Look! I have one job on this lousy ship, it's *stupid*, but I'm gonna do it! Okay? |
| 00:17.12 | beandog | Tommy Webber: Sure, no problem. |
| 00:17.14 | beandog | Gwen DeMarco: Fred, you had a part people loved. I mean, my TV Guide interview was six paragraphs about my BOOBS and how they fit into my suit. No one bothered to ask me what I do on the show. |
| 00:17.14 | beandog | Fred Kwan: You were... umm, wait... |
| 00:17.14 | beandog | Gwen DeMarco: I repeated the computer, Fred. |
| 00:17.15 | beandog | oh man |
| 00:17.18 | beandog | I gotta go home and watch it now. |
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| 00:45.16 | mindjuju | that detective, is the right question. program terminated |
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| 02:26.20 | mindjuju | wps , you around? |
| 02:26.27 | wps | yes |
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| 04:31.26 | mgeary | evening |
| 04:32.44 | wps | hey |
| 04:33.23 | mgeary | so was an agenda set for tomorrow? |
| 04:33.32 | wps | nope |
| 04:33.39 | mgeary | alrighty then |
| 04:33.40 | wps | no volunteers, so I cancelled the meeting |
| 04:33.42 | wps | :( |
| 04:33.52 | mgeary | sounds like many of my UG meetings :/ |
| 04:34.16 | mgeary | anyone here a postfix pro? i'm not getting anyone with a pulse on #postfix |
| 04:34.49 | wps | not I; sorry |
| 04:34.51 | wps | I use sendmail |
| 04:34.54 | mgeary | ewwww |
| 04:34.56 | mgeary | ;) |
| 04:35.16 | wps | yeah, that's what everyone says |
| 04:35.25 | wps | it's really easy for me to admin and it's never let me down though |
| 04:37.20 | wps | good night |
| 04:37.24 | wps | that's for your help earlier |
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| 04:37.44 | mgeary | no problem |
| 04:37.45 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
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| 07:07.52 | dnigma | hi all |
| 07:08.25 | dnigma | anyone here that is able and willing to help me with a php soap problem? |
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| 14:53.00 | timinator | mornin' ladies |
| 14:57.20 | jsmith | You callin' thebigdog a lady? |
| 14:57.34 | thebigdog | ~pimpslap timinator |
| 14:57.36 | jbot | thebigdog pimpslaps timinator. ouch! |
| 14:57.45 | thebigdog | how is that my lady |
| 14:57.50 | timinator | LMAO |
| 14:57.58 | timinator | you slap like a girl |
| 14:58.05 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 14:58.30 | thebigdog | ~tunafart timinator |
| 14:58.32 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to timinator, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 14:58.42 | timinator | ah man, I hate those |
| 14:58.45 | wps | oh my |
| 14:58.54 | thebigdog | early morning too |
| 14:59.00 | timinator | ~timattack thebigdog |
| 14:59.01 | jbot | ACTION uses a 2 handed log saw and starts to chase thebigdog! |
| 14:59.10 | wps | 70 degrees Friday and Saturday! Here comes the weekend! |
| 14:59.16 | timinator | fo sho |
| 14:59.33 | thebigdog | yeah...i'm taking the little ones to the park |
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| 15:02.45 | mgeary | morning |
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| 15:32.53 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> tonight's meeting cancelled |
| 15:32.56 | wps | clear |
| 15:33.29 | thebigdog | thank you |
| 15:33.55 | wps | eh? |
| 15:35.12 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 15:35.14 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 15:35.15 | dataw0lf | nuttin |
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| 16:17.24 | mgeary | i just had to explain the concept of a bookmark to someone |
| 16:19.04 | mgeary | she's all, "i hate having to type out my domain name all the time. it's so long" |
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| 17:02.25 | mgeary | quick survey, by a show of hands, how many of you are using mysqli now, rather than the mysql extension? |
| 17:05.21 | thebigdog | how many use postgresql? |
| 17:05.25 | thebigdog | ^hand |
| 17:11.35 | Lone_Wanderer | I've used it thebigdog. |
| 17:13.57 | thebigdog | wps you can probably use ffmpeg or mencoder for conversion to flash |
| 17:14.08 | thebigdog | beandog would probably know |
| 17:14.11 | wps | do those run on windows? |
| 17:14.28 | thebigdog | yes |
| 17:15.06 | wps | k |
| 17:15.10 | wps | I check it out |
| 17:15.39 | thebigdog | just something like this should work: ffmpeg -i file.wmv file.flv |
| 17:16.03 | thebigdog | audio sometimes gets messed up so you might need to do this |
| 17:16.15 | thebigdog | ffmpeg -i file.wmv -ar 22050 file.flv |
| 17:16.33 | thebigdog | also you should have ffmpeg for mac too |
| 17:16.42 | mgeary | wps: what do you want to do? |
| 17:16.43 | thebigdog | if you are doing it |
| 17:17.23 | wps | I have a client that needs to convert some WMV and DVI files into FLV and he is on Microsoft Windows |
| 17:17.23 | wps | so I am looking for an app for him to use |
| 17:17.31 | mgeary | so *he* needs to do them, rather than having you do them for him |
| 17:17.39 | wps | correct |
| 17:17.42 | mgeary | i wouldn't trust any of my clients using a CLI app ;) |
| 17:18.12 | jsmith | thebigdog: I'm late, but I'm using PostgreSQL! Lots! |
| 17:18.20 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 17:18.54 | thebigdog | if he wants gui he will need to purchase one |
| 17:19.12 | mgeary | or pay wps to do the conversion ;) |
| 17:19.33 | thebigdog | yeah or he can pay me |
| 17:19.36 | thebigdog | i do it all the time now |
| 17:19.40 | mgeary | me too |
| 17:19.41 | thebigdog | or beandog is really good |
| 17:20.11 | wps | I actually found a freeware one |
| 17:20.14 | wps | and three web-based ones |
| 17:42.34 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 17:42.55 | thebigdog | ~wake dataw0lf |
| 17:42.57 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on dataw0lf and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 17:43.39 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: aye |
| 17:43.50 | thebigdog | your familiar with lvm2? |
| 17:44.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Hey, I forget if this will work. Can I do: if (!$foo = some_func("lalala")) |
| 17:44.49 | mgeary | yes |
| 17:44.57 | Lone_Wanderer | or rather, if I do that, will the function returning false make the if statement true? |
| 17:45.03 | mgeary | and if some_funct() returns a non-empty/non-zero value, you're fine |
| 17:45.09 | mgeary | correct |
| 17:45.17 | Lone_Wanderer | k cool |
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| 18:06.40 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: sorry, kinda busy, yea, I am. |
| 18:15.29 | thebigdog | dataw0lf i found what i was looking for...i was extending lv and was wondering about ext2online |
| 18:15.51 | dataw0lf | ah, word |
| 18:16.22 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: When's that one guy's birthday again? The one around which the Hack the Desert Con will apparently revolve? |
| 18:16.40 | Lone_Wanderer | arrrr, firefox is behaving strangely |
| 18:20.04 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: we haven't decided on that yet |
| 18:20.33 | dataw0lf | optikal: I need to know when yer throwing your birfday so we may throws this Hack the Desert Con. Or we could combine the two. |
| 18:20.37 | Lone_Wanderer | You haven't decided when his birthday is? |
| 18:20.53 | dataw0lf | no, we don't know when he's throwing his birthday party. |
| 18:21.00 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh, okay |
| 18:21.34 | Lone_Wanderer | <3 this stream |
| 18:21.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I hope they keep this theme going for a while. |
| 18:25.57 | optikal | dataw0lf: Ill know by the weekend I'm sure |
| 18:28.44 | dataw0lf | optikal: you better |
| 18:28.51 | dataw0lf | YOU BETTER |
| 18:29.06 | dataw0lf | Hack The Desert Con cannot be stopped |
| 18:29.18 | dataw0lf | mostly because I'm forcing tierra to organize it |
| 18:36.36 | mindjuju | ~chuckfact |
| 18:36.38 | jbot | chuckfact is probably Chuck Norris uses Tabasco Sauce for eye drops |
| 18:36.42 | wps | my wife said that she just drove past IKEA and that it was on fire |
| 18:37.36 | mindjuju | really? |
| 18:37.42 | mindjuju | that's not too far from where I am |
| 18:37.57 | wps | not fully-engulfed, but on fire |
| 18:38.05 | wps | smoke and blacked walls |
| 18:38.46 | mindjuju | that's craziness! that's the second time that building has caught on fire |
| 18:39.11 | mindjuju | once about 2 months ago in the middle of the night |
| 18:39.12 | mgeary | i blame Wal-Mart conspirators |
| 18:39.44 | mindjuju | possible, but walmart doesn't sell cheap european furinture ... YET |
| 18:39.53 | mindjuju | hmmm... maybe it is walmart |
| 18:40.54 | mgeary | when we lived in Köln, we would go to great lengths to truck our IKEA purchases back to our apartment |
| 18:41.12 | mgeary | here's a little tip: do NOT open the shrink-wrapped pillows until you get home |
| 18:41.13 | wps | most americans have no style or personality |
| 18:41.20 | wps | :) |
| 18:42.31 | wps | rcwilley is mostly at fault |
| 18:46.11 | mgeary | no, it's clearly IKEA's fault |
| 18:46.21 | mgeary | for waiting so long before coming to Utah :D |
| 18:46.34 | mgeary | what choice did we have? Ba$$et furniture? |
| 18:47.52 | wps | there are a few stores, but the selection in Utah is pathetic |
| 18:48.01 | wps | Lofgrens, ByDesign, Civillization |
| 18:48.07 | herlo | mgeary |
| 18:48.30 | jsmith | IKEA is awesome! |
| 18:48.40 | jsmith | And it's too bad there's one just down the road from me. |
| 18:49.07 | wps | why… because it'll drain the pocketbook? |
| 18:49.07 | herlo | jsmith: soon there will be one just down the road from me as well.... |
| 18:49.19 | wps | … as long as they put the fire out |
| 18:49.29 | jsmith | What fire? |
| 18:49.33 | wps | ikea is on fire |
| 18:49.37 | jsmith | Oh? |
| 18:49.38 | herlo | theirs a fire? |
| 18:49.43 | herlo | theres a fire? |
| 18:49.45 | herlo | man |
| 18:49.48 | wps | there's |
| 18:49.51 | jsmith | ~spell herlo |
| 18:49.53 | herlo | yeah yeah |
| 18:50.03 | mgeary | jbot: IKEA is on fire |
| 18:50.22 | jbot | ...but ikea is already something else... |
| 18:50.22 | mgeary | ~IKEA |
| 18:50.24 | jbot | [ikea] no sussudio, ikea where i got almost all of my stuff from |
| 18:50.24 | wps | jbot, go to sleep |
| 18:50.26 | jbot | ACTION falls to the floor where he's standing and goes into a deep sleep |
| 18:50.34 | wps | jbot, die |
| 18:50.41 | jbot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
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| 18:53.11 | wps | jbot, resurrect! |
| 18:53.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, everyone plug into Voices from Beyond on bluemars.org and listen to this guy's voice. |
| 18:54.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Whoever does demon voices for Hollywood needs to look him up and get him a contract. |
| 18:55.05 | mindjuju | hey jsmith , i just heard something REALLY cool about Asterisk |
| 18:55.07 | mindjuju | http://www.junghanns.net/en/callback.html |
| 18:55.51 | wps | jbot, resurrect is a daily detox and recovery drink with 22 vitamins, electrolytes, herbs, and antioxidants. It also has zero calories and sugar and only 1 carb! It is great for sports recovery, enhancing health and the immune system, and is an effective hangover cure! Learn more at: resurrectme.com |
| 18:55.54 | jbot | ACTION gathers all his magical powers (and some prayin'!) and resurrects is a daily detox and recovery drink with 22 vitamins, electrolytes, herbs, and antioxidants. It also has zero calories and sugar and only 1 carb! It is great for sports recovery, enhancing health and the immune system, and is an effective hangover cure! Learn more at: resurrectme.com from ... |
| 18:57.30 | jsmith | mindjuju: Oh yeah... it's super-easy |
| 18:57.36 | jsmith | mindjuju: Been there, done that... |
| 18:57.47 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: resurrect is also more info on this drink is available at quackwatch.org |
| 18:57.48 | jbot | ACTION gathers all his magical powers (and some prayin'!) and resurrects is also more info on this drink is available at quackwatch.org from the dead. |
| 18:57.50 | mindjuju | that's just way cool |
| 19:01.31 | Lone_Wanderer | The Rules of Optimization are simple. Rule 1: Don’t do it. Rule 2 (for experts only): Don’t do it yet. |
| 19:03.34 | mgeary | "I am an EXPERT in optimization" |
| 19:06.48 | Lone_Wanderer | You read that one too? |
| 19:07.00 | mgeary | yeah |
| 19:07.24 | mgeary | pretty good, but not as good as that "comment this out later" one |
| 19:15.38 | Lone_Wanderer | That one is brilliant. |
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| 19:31.16 | PoeticIntensity | so...... |
| 19:31.21 | PoeticIntensity | I can't remember... |
| 19:31.38 | PoeticIntensity | was anyone interested in racing at the Salt Flats on Saturday? |
| 19:31.48 | PoeticIntensity | if so, I've got more info about it now. |
| 19:32.02 | PoeticIntensity | if not, then I won't bother anyone with the details. |
| 19:32.23 | PoeticIntensity | and where the heck is Beandog? |
| 19:32.47 | Utah_Dave | Would you mind a couple of dirt bikes out there? |
| 19:42.47 | Lone_Wanderer | PoeticIntensity: I'm still planning on going. I'm not sure you'd want to take a bike, UTD. |
| 19:43.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently there's going to be a lot of salt in the air. |
| 19:44.56 | PoeticIntensity | I'm sorry... what does UTD mean? |
| 19:44.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Utah Dave |
| 19:45.07 | PoeticIntensity | ah.... |
| 19:45.11 | PoeticIntensity | oki doke... |
| 19:45.21 | PoeticIntensity | well, then... on with the details! |
| 19:45.22 | Lone_Wanderer | So, when and where and how do you get there? |
| 19:45.35 | PoeticIntensity | we're all meeting between 7:30am - 8:00am in SLC |
| 19:45.44 | PoeticIntensity | Location: 500 South 500 West |
| 19:46.03 | PoeticIntensity | North West corner of that intersection, there's a bright blue (almost cyan) building with a parking lot. |
| 19:46.12 | PoeticIntensity | the building is called "CG Sparks" |
| 19:46.15 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 19:46.17 | PoeticIntensity | we're meeting there. |
| 19:46.23 | PoeticIntensity | Bring some water, just in case. |
| 19:46.32 | PoeticIntensity | and some cash for washing / gas / food. |
| 19:46.43 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 19:46.45 | PoeticIntensity | so far, 3 people are coming for sure... |
| 19:46.48 | PoeticIntensity | 3 others are iffy. |
| 19:46.57 | Lone_Wanderer | So we're just going to... drive around super fast? |
| 19:47.00 | PoeticIntensity | if anyone sees Beandog, harass him into coming... :) |
| 19:47.03 | PoeticIntensity | yup.... |
| 19:47.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Sounds good. |
| 19:47.08 | PoeticIntensity | I'm going for 2 reasons: |
| 19:47.16 | PoeticIntensity | 1. Have a great time with friends. |
| 19:47.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Where on Google Maps are the salt flats? |
| 19:47.29 | Lone_Wanderer | west of SLC? |
| 19:47.30 | PoeticIntensity | 2. Learn how to drive better by creating safe, yet strenuous driving situations. |
| 19:47.38 | PoeticIntensity | very. |
| 19:47.39 | PoeticIntensity | yes.. |
| 19:47.44 | PoeticIntensity | just a little east of Wendover. |
| 19:47.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahh okay. |
| 19:47.58 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: yes, due west, then a bit north |
| 19:48.12 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 19:48.28 | PoeticIntensity | last time I was there, I went 145 in my car, and ...... it's way beyond my comfort level of speed. :) |
| 19:48.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I should look up some driving things to find out what to practice while I'm out there. |
| 19:48.34 | PoeticIntensity | I'll be doing lots of e-brakes. |
| 19:48.42 | PoeticIntensity | and, of course, racing each other to no end. |
| 19:49.54 | Lone_Wanderer | How do you do an e-brake? Just turn and yank on the brake? Do you keep your foot on the gas, use the normal brake, etc. etc.? |
| 19:49.54 | macnewbold | how long does it take to get there, and how long do you plan to spend there? |
| 19:49.54 | PoeticIntensity | its about 70 miles west. |
| 19:49.54 | PoeticIntensity | maybe a bit more. |
| 19:49.54 | PoeticIntensity | so.... driving 80 MPH, it'll take a little over an hour. |
| 19:49.54 | macnewbold | okay, so about an hour, 1:15min |
| 19:49.54 | PoeticIntensity | yup. |
| 19:49.54 | macnewbold | k |
| 19:49.54 | PoeticIntensity | we'll stay as long as people stay. |
| 19:49.54 | PoeticIntensity | if ya wanna leave, you can leave whenever... |
| 19:49.55 | macnewbold | I might be able to get permission to go if it's cool if I come back by noonish |
| 19:49.55 | PoeticIntensity | *nothing* is being formally planned. |
| 19:50.00 | PoeticIntensity | yeah.... |
| 19:50.11 | PoeticIntensity | last time, we were done driving around noon - 1:00pm. |
| 19:50.19 | PoeticIntensity | I'd like to drive until 3 or 4.... maybe later. |
| 19:50.22 | PoeticIntensity | it's just too much fun. |
| 19:50.32 | Lone_Wanderer | holy crap, that's huge |
| 19:50.32 | PoeticIntensity | make sure you bring spare tires 'n' such. |
| 19:50.45 | PoeticIntensity | it's a 10-mile long stretch of nothing but salt. |
| 19:50.51 | PoeticIntensity | I called the BLM and asked lots of questions... |
| 19:51.01 | Lone_Wanderer | about driving out there? |
| 19:51.03 | PoeticIntensity | found out that it IS 100% legal to race out there. |
| 19:51.05 | PoeticIntensity | yes.. |
| 19:51.13 | PoeticIntensity | and there *are* dangers... if you're stupid. |
| 19:51.17 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 19:51.30 | Lone_Wanderer | like what, breaking down in the middle of it and dying of dehydration before you get out? |
| 19:51.32 | PoeticIntensity | I'll explain everything I found out when we go. |
| 19:51.33 | macnewbold | what are the dangers, or the stupid things? |
| 19:51.36 | macnewbold | cool |
| 19:51.42 | PoeticIntensity | well... |
| 19:51.50 | PoeticIntensity | the salt is very thick in the middle.... where the race strip is... |
| 19:52.01 | PoeticIntensity | as you drive out to the edge, the salt obviously gets thinner. |
| 19:52.06 | macnewbold | duh |
| 19:52.06 | PoeticIntensity | if it gets too thin, you'll break through. |
| 19:52.11 | PoeticIntensity | and under it, is mud. |
| 19:52.12 | macnewbold | into water? |
| 19:52.13 | Lone_Wanderer | break through into... |
| 19:52.13 | PoeticIntensity | lots and lots of mud. |
| 19:52.13 | macnewbold | oh |
| 19:52.14 | macnewbold | okay |
| 19:52.14 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 19:52.30 | PoeticIntensity | so.... salt breaks = you're pretty much stuck. |
| 19:52.39 | PoeticIntensity | weather is perfect... |
| 19:52.41 | macnewbold | unless you got a buddy who has a winch and likes you |
| 19:52.43 | PoeticIntensity | so... it's 100% go right now. |
| 19:52.48 | PoeticIntensity | ;-) |
| 19:52.49 | PoeticIntensity | right on.. |
| 19:52.54 | PoeticIntensity | we almost got a guy to drive a jeep down there. |
| 19:52.55 | Lone_Wanderer | How deep is the mud? Are we talking you just lost your car? |
| 19:53.00 | PoeticIntensity | no.... no... |
| 19:53.03 | PoeticIntensity | just stuck. |
| 19:53.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Or it's just... okay cool |
| 19:53.10 | PoeticIntensity | however..... |
| 19:53.17 | PoeticIntensity | we won't go *anywhere* near where you can break through. |
| 19:53.20 | Lone_Wanderer | ok cool |
| 19:53.43 | PoeticIntensity | so.... as long as ya follow a few very simple rules... all will be well and I'm sure you'll have a driving experience like none other you've had. |
| 19:54.02 | PoeticIntensity | so.... I'm curious... what car do you drive, Lone_Wanderer? |
| 19:54.17 | Lone_Wanderer | 99 mercury mistake |
| 19:54.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean mystique |
| 19:54.23 | PoeticIntensity | LOL |
| 19:54.28 | PoeticIntensity | you're in for good times.... |
| 19:54.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Why me specifically? |
| 19:54.50 | PoeticIntensity | also... if your car can't handle the speed (tires 'n' such).... know the limits before you start driving fast. |
| 19:54.55 | PoeticIntensity | nah... we all are. |
| 19:54.58 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 19:54.58 | PoeticIntensity | it's fun. |
| 19:55.07 | Lone_Wanderer | How do I know if it can handle it? |
| 19:55.17 | PoeticIntensity | tires are rated for different speeds. |
| 19:55.20 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh ok |
| 19:55.23 | PoeticIntensity | example: I've got Z-rated tires... |
| 19:55.28 | PoeticIntensity | they're rated for 145+ MPH. |
| 19:55.33 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 19:55.35 | PoeticIntensity | they're also very soft and wear out fast. |
| 19:55.48 | PoeticIntensity | so... if you know your tire rating, you know how fast you can safely go. |
| 19:56.08 | PoeticIntensity | however... most cars sold with crappy tires are required to have governers so they don't blow the tires by going too fast. |
| 19:56.10 | Lone_Wanderer | gotcha. I don't but I can have someone who does check. |
| 19:56.11 | PoeticIntensity | so... you should be alright. |
| 20:01.04 | macnewbold | yeah, blowing a tire at 145+ on the salt flats might not be a fun thing |
| 20:01.30 | Lone_Wanderer | understatement++ |
| 20:04.03 | macnewbold | I'm going to see if my wife will let me find out what her '06 Toyota Highlander Hybrid can do |
| 20:04.22 | Lone_Wanderer | :D good luck |
| 20:04.28 | macnewbold | they say it can do 0-60 in 7 sec, and while I think that's plausible, I'd love to try it, |
| 20:04.37 | macnewbold | and I have no idea what the top speed would be, but I'd love to find out |
| 20:04.43 | jsmith | macnewbold: I'm curious... how does she like it? My wife is kind of leaning towards getting one |
| 20:05.01 | macnewbold | 270+HP should be able to do pretty well I hope |
| 20:05.01 | macnewbold | jsmith: we really like it a lot |
| 20:05.05 | macnewbold | seats up to 7 if at least 2 are small |
| 20:05.15 | macnewbold | the gas mileage is much better than the gas-only model |
| 20:05.23 | macnewbold | and it's just an all around nice car |
| 20:05.56 | macnewbold | if it weren't for the daytime running lights, the silent electric operation when the gas engine shuts itself off would make it a perfect car for stealth TP operations |
| 20:06.21 | macnewbold | if you're ever in utah, I'd be happy to let you test drive it |
| 20:06.52 | jsmith | OK... sounds nice |
| 20:07.18 | Lone_Wanderer | macnewbold: is it auto or manual? |
| 20:10.46 | PoeticIntensity | 270HP? Yeah... That can pack a punch... |
| 20:10.56 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: it's auto |
| 20:11.04 | macnewbold | in fact, it couldn't be manual if it wanted to |
| 20:11.14 | PoeticIntensity | might I inquire as to why? |
| 20:11.17 | macnewbold | it has a continuous transmission rather than an N-speed |
| 20:11.28 | PoeticIntensity | so.... it never shifts? |
| 20:11.29 | macnewbold | don't ask more, cause I don't know how it works |
| 20:11.33 | PoeticIntensity | ah.... |
| 20:11.39 | PoeticIntensity | wild.... |
| 20:11.40 | macnewbold | not into distinct gears |
| 20:11.46 | PoeticIntensity | so... ................ |
| 20:11.46 | macnewbold | not that I can tell anyway |
| 20:11.54 | PoeticIntensity | that's pretty darn cool. |
| 20:12.02 | macnewbold | and I nveer have to change transmission fluid, as its a sealed system |
| 20:12.17 | PoeticIntensity | centrifugal shifting... |
| 20:12.18 | macnewbold | you'd have to ask a mechanic instead of a computer geek to find out the real scoop |
| 20:12.25 | PoeticIntensity | right. |
| 20:13.31 | macnewbold | I'll hopefully be able to show you what I mean on Saturday |
| 20:13.31 | PoeticIntensity | anywho.... This is turning into quite the trip. |
| 20:13.32 | macnewbold | I'll just tell my wife I'm taking the car for a drive and a wash... |
| 20:13.34 | PoeticIntensity | I thought we'd have like 3-4 people going.. |
| 20:13.38 | macnewbold | ~summon beandog |
| 20:13.39 | jbot | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing beandog's coordinates |
| 20:13.43 | PoeticIntensity | LOL that'll go over well. |
| 20:14.09 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, yeah, a transmission like that is cool |
| 20:14.09 | macnewbold | she'd ask where I'm going for a drive, and when I'll be back, so the cat would be out of the bag anyway |
| 20:14.11 | PoeticIntensity | looks like 7 people are gonna come. |
| 20:14.20 | macnewbold | but I've been priming her for the fact that I want to do this for a few weeks |
| 20:14.26 | macnewbold | maybe I'll invite her to come |
| 20:14.27 | PoeticIntensity | awesome. |
| 20:14.30 | PoeticIntensity | heck yeah... |
| 20:14.32 | macnewbold | I bet my boys would like riding in the back anyway :) |
| 20:14.36 | PoeticIntensity | the weird thing is.... |
| 20:14.39 | PoeticIntensity | *nothing* is out there.. |
| 20:14.39 | macnewbold | "faster daddy!" |
| 20:14.41 | Lone_Wanderer | iirc it's got a chain or a belt or something, and to "upshift" it just shortens the chain |
| 20:14.42 | PoeticIntensity | just salt and pavement. |
| 20:14.43 | macnewbold | yeah, no doubt |
| 20:16.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, okay. |
| 20:17.04 | Lone_Wanderer | this is only one design, but it makes sense. two cones, connected by a steel belt |
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| 20:17.59 | Lone_Wanderer | and you can move the belt's position on the two cones to provide whatever ratio you want |
| 20:22.41 | mindjuju | ugh |
| 20:22.49 | mindjuju | well, that was a meeting that will surely go down in history |
| 20:23.11 | mgeary | that good, huh? |
| 20:23.35 | mindjuju | well, let's just say my mouth was going faster than my brain and i said something that while true, hit pretty hard |
| 20:23.44 | Lone_Wanderer | oops |
| 20:23.45 | mgeary | uh oh |
| 20:24.01 | mgeary | "you can't have engineers talking to customers? Are you crazy?" |
| 20:24.07 | mgeary | i mean |
| 20:24.10 | mgeary | "you can't have engineers talking to customers! Are you crazy?" |
| 20:24.21 | mindjuju | i essentially told the marketing director that on one of the pieces he submitted in, that "if anybody with business sense had seen what was submitted, it wouldn't have been approved" |
| 20:24.52 | mindjuju | and well, the CEO, COO, my super, me and the marketing director were there |
| 20:25.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Had the CEO and COO already approved it? |
| 20:25.09 | mindjuju | nope |
| 20:25.15 | mindjuju | and that was the bad of it |
| 20:25.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Well that's good anyway. |
| 20:25.28 | mindjuju | they agreed with me, but didn't have the guts to say it |
| 20:25.46 | mindjuju | i got frustrated + lack of sleep and said what i did |
| 20:26.10 | mindjuju | they just looked around for a second, the marketing director waited for a response, none came forward... |
| 20:26.21 | Lone_Wanderer | From now on, any time someone suggests something dumb, the CEO will go "Someone get that enginer, what's his name? Victor I think? Have him come join us." |
| 20:26.56 | mindjuju | yeah, i'll be like Dale Gribble on King of the HIll where he gets hired by Stik-Tec and starts to fire people for the company |
| 20:27.04 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 20:29.59 | macnewbold | that's hilarious |
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| 20:47.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I wish you could do $var = function_that_returns_a_hash(argument)['index']; |
| 20:48.19 | mgeary | yeah |
| 20:48.32 | mgeary | i wish you could refer to functions as variables. not function names, mind you, but functions |
| 20:48.47 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 20:48.50 | _psychic_ | why? |
| 20:48.53 | mgeary | that is one cool thing about python (and ActionScript) |
| 20:48.59 | _psychic_ | and JS |
| 20:49.05 | mgeary | well, for one thing, you can "alias" functions to each other |
| 20:49.12 | mgeary | like this: |
| 20:49.27 | mgeary | me.onMouseUp = some_other_objects_mouseup_function |
| 20:49.34 | mgeary | (not a good PHP example, granted) |
| 20:50.05 | _psychic_ | Does anyone use Lisp or Scheme for anything but nothing? |
| 20:50.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. |
| 20:50.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Like Google, and Orbitz, and other large companies whose products involve information. |
| 20:51.24 | mgeary | oh well yeah, the AFRICAN swallow mayBE, but not the EUROPEAN swallow, that's my point |
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| 20:52.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I ate a coconut last night. |
| 20:52.40 | Lone_Wanderer | It was delicious. |
| 20:53.06 | mgeary | where'd you get that coconut, anyway? |
| 20:53.19 | Lone_Wanderer | From the grocery store. |
| 20:53.41 | mgeary | "found it??" in England? the coconut is a tropical plant!! |
| 20:54.15 | Lone_Wanderer | What were French ninnies doing in a castle in England? |
| 20:54.25 | mgeary | mind your own business! |
| 20:54.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I told him we've already got one! |
| 21:06.26 | mindjuju | fungus ! |
| 21:06.35 | mindjuju | sup bro! where you been? |
| 21:06.37 | fungus | mindjuju! |
| 21:07.02 | fungus | Sleeping till noon, watching movies, snow shoeing, and of course WoW. |
| 21:07.18 | mindjuju | i mean work wise, plus you ain't been in here for weeks! |
| 21:07.42 | mindjuju | i was about to contract dataw0lf to search for ya to make sure you were safe! |
| 21:07.47 | fungus | I know. I finally left Arosnet, and took a few weeks off before taking this cushy job. |
| 21:07.55 | fungus | lol |
| 21:07.55 | mindjuju | nice |
| 21:08.18 | Lone_Wanderer | fungus: Alliance or Horde? |
| 21:08.26 | fungus | Horde, of course. :) |
| 21:08.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Good man. |
| 21:08.45 | fungus | I had to start a new Blood Elf |
| 21:09.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Every time I ask someone that in person, if they say Horde, they're always enthusiastic and confident about it |
| 21:09.17 | Lone_Wanderer | but if they say Alliance they kind of hang their head and won't look you in the eye |
| 21:09.39 | fungus | That is strange because Alliance is the most popular. |
| 21:09.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Not on my server. |
| 21:09.58 | Lone_Wanderer | (Deathwing) |
| 21:10.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Actually I heard a blue once say that they're fairly balanced in most realms. |
| 21:10.39 | fungus | My server (Windrunner) is about 70% alliance. |
| 21:10.46 | Lone_Wanderer | that's nuts |
| 21:10.51 | Lone_Wanderer | who wins the BG's there most often? |
| 21:11.05 | fungus | at least, before the expansion, that may have changed. |
| 21:11.28 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm trying to get my friend to play. She's only agreed recently because blood elves are cute. |
| 21:11.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Which makes me question her worthiness to play a horde character. |
| 21:12.04 | fungus | lol |
| 21:13.30 | mindjuju | a friend of mine just gave me a 10 day pass to try out WoW |
| 21:13.45 | Lone_Wanderer | oohh |
| 21:13.53 | Lone_Wanderer | roll on Deathwing |
| 21:14.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Windrunner is for wussies! ;) |
| 21:14.06 | Lone_Wanderer | is Windrunner a pvp server? |
| 21:14.48 | mindjuju | i've only done 1 MMORPG, Earth and Beyond, but that actually collapsed |
| 21:15.05 | mindjuju | but it was pretty cool, space themed, get to fly around in your ship and blast people to Mars |
| 21:15.18 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 21:20.15 | mindjuju | the sad thing about WoW , is that when I play that type of game (like diablo 2, etc) where you can develop your own chracater, i like to pick the magic user, but i heard the magic user race in WoW, the gnome, is mega hard to play with because they are so easy to kill |
| 21:20.40 | Lone_Wanderer | This is not true for various reasons. |
| 21:20.53 | mindjuju | yeah? |
| 21:20.56 | Lone_Wanderer | First, gnome is alliance. Anyone who plays alliance *deserves* to die, not just in the game but in real life. |
| 21:21.07 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:21.12 | Lone_Wanderer | So this is not a flaw in the game, it's a design feature that makes the game more enjoyable. |
| 21:21.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Seriously though. Several races can be mages. |
| 21:21.42 | mindjuju | what's the horde magic user? blood elf? |
| 21:21.43 | Lone_Wanderer | And gnomes are not easy to kill. |
| 21:21.59 | Lone_Wanderer | There isn't a "magic using race". |
| 21:22.07 | mindjuju | oh |
| 21:22.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Each race can be one of several classes |
| 21:22.21 | mindjuju | curious |
| 21:22.24 | Lone_Wanderer | and each class can be played by several races |
| 21:22.38 | mindjuju | yeah, but aren't there some races that are more adept to magic than others? |
| 21:22.43 | Lone_Wanderer | so like you can be a tauren warrior or tauren hunter or tauren druid or orc warrior or troll hunter |
| 21:22.49 | mindjuju | at least, it seems in D & D it was like that |
| 21:23.01 | mindjuju | where humans made ok mages, but elves made better mages |
| 21:23.03 | Lone_Wanderer | each race has racial benefits, and yes, the blood elf has the most magically oriented stats and benefits |
| 21:23.16 | mindjuju | that's cool about the blood elf |
| 21:23.30 | Lone_Wanderer | but you can play a perfectly good troll, orc or undead mage |
| 21:23.34 | mindjuju | got a picture of your warrior thebigdog? |
| 21:23.42 | Lone_Wanderer | the racial benefits aren't really geared to any specific class |
| 21:23.47 | mindjuju | undead mage sounds cool |
| 21:23.50 | thebigdog | mindjuju somewhere i do |
| 21:24.01 | thebigdog | mindjuju, they are fun to play |
| 21:24.07 | thebigdog | i have a female one that rocks |
| 21:24.22 | thebigdog | mage are fun to play |
| 21:24.58 | mindjuju | yeah, love to play mages |
| 21:25.09 | mindjuju | i sure wish they'd come out with a diablo 3 |
| 21:25.13 | Lone_Wanderer | blood elves can tap mana from other mobs and players, and then use the tapped mana to restore their own mana or "energy" (what a rogue uses to perform special moves) |
| 21:25.15 | mindjuju | that was a cool game |
| 21:25.51 | mindjuju | yeah, but an undead mage sounds uber cool |
| 21:26.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Undead are fun. |
| 21:26.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I like the undead warlock in the cinematics. |
| 21:32.06 | mgeary | i stopped long ago, but my favorite, by far, was The Fantasy Trip, by Steve Jackson |
| 21:32.15 | mgeary | way better than D&D, imho |
| 21:32.22 | _psychic_ | D&D 3.5 ? |
| 21:32.35 | _psychic_ | I was really surprised when my wife started to want to play |
| 21:32.38 | mgeary | see above "long ago" comment. |
| 21:34.43 | _psychic_ | its a really social game |
| 21:34.43 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 21:34.44 | mgeary | i stopped paper RPGs in High School, and i graduated in 89 |
| 21:34.44 | mindjuju | yeah, after high school, i stopped playing too |
| 21:34.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I haven't played any paper RPGs since Jr. High |
| 21:34.44 | _psychic_ | its fun man |
| 21:34.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I experimented with lots of them then, though. |
| 21:34.45 | timinator | I'm out.... later guys |
| 21:34.45 | mindjuju | though, there are a lot of games that use d&d type rules |
| 21:34.45 | mindjuju | later timinator |
| 21:34.45 | _psychic_ | the stories are much more complex when adults play |
| 21:34.45 | _psychic_ | later timinator |
| 21:34.46 | mindjuju | battletech was pretty fun |
| 21:34.57 | mindjuju | we modded the game a little and spent most of our time running campaigns for lost tech |
| 21:37.06 | mgeary | speaking of RPGs, though, i hereby proclaim EA's "Wasteland" (circa 1985) as the Best RPG Ever™ |
| 21:37.31 | mgeary | these modern computer RPGs just don't get that it's the *STORY*, not the cool 3D graphics, that make a great game |
| 21:38.30 | mindjuju | i never played that one. but was it really better than the diablo, diablo 2 story line? |
| 21:38.35 | mgeary | oh yes |
| 21:38.45 | mgeary | the character development was so rich, and the story was just awesome |
| 21:38.57 | mindjuju | hmm... maybe i should look for this game |
| 21:38.59 | mgeary | you increased in skills by USING those skills |
| 21:39.08 | mindjuju | k, well, here is the ultimate test, IMHO |
| 21:39.09 | mgeary | so many RPGs don't do that |
| 21:39.17 | mindjuju | is Wasteland better than KOTOR ? |
| 21:39.25 | mgeary | haven't played it |
| 21:39.29 | mindjuju | oh |
| 21:39.37 | mgeary | but keep in mind that we're talking 1985 here. this was on an Apple II |
| 21:39.38 | mindjuju | loved Knights of the Old Republic |
| 21:39.38 | mgeary | :) |
| 21:39.40 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: amen |
| 21:39.50 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: to which part? |
| 21:39.55 | mgeary | oh, the story |
| 21:39.58 | Lone_Wanderer | that it's the story, not the graphics |
| 21:40.01 | mindjuju | oh, for some reason you said 1985, but i saw 1995 |
| 21:40.07 | mgeary | http://wasteland.rockdud.net/wasteland.html |
| 21:40.26 | mgeary | by the way, there HAVE been 2 newer RPGs very similar to Wasteland. Same dev guys. |
| 21:40.30 | mgeary | Fallout and Fallout 2 |
| 21:40.37 | mgeary | they are really good to, IMHO |
| 21:40.39 | mgeary | too |
| 21:40.52 | mgeary | i prefer turn-based RPGs |
| 21:41.13 | mgeary | not so much the twitchy stuff. They get too close to FPS, rather than RPG |
| 21:42.06 | Lone_Wanderer | mgeary: do you play many turn-based strategy games? |
| 21:42.09 | mindjuju | funny you say that, i just bought fallout 2 at walmart on there mega discounted comp software isle |
| 21:42.12 | mindjuju | like $5 |
| 21:42.16 | mgeary | did you play it? |
| 21:42.20 | mindjuju | thought it looked interesting |
| 21:42.24 | mindjuju | haven't installed it yet |
| 21:42.27 | mindjuju | but looks good |
| 21:42.37 | mgeary | Fallout 1 was better, i think, but i love the whole post-apoclypse thing |
| 21:42.52 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: such as? |
| 21:43.28 | mgeary | http://www.mobygames.com/featured_article/feature,6/ |
| 21:43.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Civilization is the obvious one, but there are others. |
| 21:43.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I keep hoping Sid will make a Colonization II |
| 21:44.06 | mgeary | you know, i got Civ IV for OS X |
| 21:44.12 | mgeary | frankly, i really don't like it |
| 21:44.23 | mgeary | it's too much of the same ol, same ol |
| 21:44.51 | mgeary | i mean, i can find no real difference between Civ IV and CIv II. Except better graphics, and again, graphics do NOT make a game |
| 21:45.13 | mgeary | so i've played a few games of Civ IV, but eeeh |
| 21:45.30 | mgeary | haven't played Colonization |
| 21:45.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't like Civ IV either. |
| 21:46.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Colonization is old. |
| 21:46.08 | mindjuju | played Civ 2, one time |
| 21:46.13 | mindjuju | Red Alert Rocks! |
| 21:46.26 | mgeary | yeah, I did like the C&C strategy games |
| 21:46.52 | mindjuju | mgary, did you ever play that secret game in Red Alert? |
| 21:46.56 | mindjuju | with the ants? |
| 21:47.06 | mgeary | ohhh, yeah. i barely remember that |
| 21:47.12 | mgeary | wasn't there also something about dinosaurs? |
| 21:47.25 | mindjuju | oh cool, i haven't seen dinosaurs |
| 21:47.29 | mindjuju | but did finish the ant missions |
| 21:50.08 | mgeary | i could be mis-remembering |
| 21:50.20 | Lone_Wanderer | That's better than dismembering. |
| 21:50.35 | mgeary | yeah, it qualifies me to advise the Vice President, i hear |
| 21:50.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Was C&C the one with tiberium? |
| 21:50.50 | mindjuju | i'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal labotomy |
| 21:50.59 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, the sunflower seeds have finally caught up with me |
| 21:51.03 | Lone_Wanderer | my lip is split and bleeding |
| 21:51.05 | Lone_Wanderer | and yet I do not stop |
| 21:51.18 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: yeah |
| 21:51.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Those games were awesome. |
| 21:51.32 | mindjuju | C &C is the game with tiberium, Red Alert wasn't so much about the Nod or tiberium as much as just straight up RTS |
| 21:51.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I had Red Alert too but I don't recall. |
| 21:52.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I loved played, what was it, GD? |
| 21:52.14 | mindjuju | GD? |
| 21:52.16 | mgeary | GDI |
| 21:52.20 | mindjuju | oh yeah |
| 21:52.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, GDI. |
| 21:52.24 | mgeary | Global Defense Initiative |
| 21:52.27 | mindjuju | yup |
| 21:52.32 | Lone_Wanderer | with the walls that shoot fire or something |
| 21:52.43 | mindjuju | now one game that went under the radar that shouldn't have is Warzone 2100 |
| 21:52.44 | mgeary | hrm, not sure i remember that one |
| 21:52.52 | Lone_Wanderer | and are impenetrable, and if you got them to destroy the generator while it was on, there was a bug so they'd never shut off |
| 21:52.56 | mindjuju | that game is ACTUALLY better than Red Alert |
| 21:53.28 | Lone_Wanderer | GDI had an advanced-tech wall, it required a generator, and when you switched it on it'd create an infinitely high barrier that kills anything that passes it |
| 21:53.47 | Lone_Wanderer | then the generator's charge would run out over a couple seconds and it'd have to charge up again |
| 21:54.13 | mindjuju | we're going to have to have some kind of LAN party |
| 21:54.14 | mgeary | that does sound familiar now |
| 21:54.19 | mindjuju | with compys and consoles |
| 21:54.23 | Lone_Wanderer | but if the enemy destroyed the generator while it was on, the walls would never shut down, so you could have a permanent and indestructable defense |
| 21:54.33 | mindjuju | if dataw0lf would ever get his butt up here so i can waste him in halo 2 |
| 21:54.53 | Lone_Wanderer | they were supposed to just be used for missiles (you turn it on when a launch is detected, the missile hits it and does no damage, it shuts off) |
| 21:55.20 | Lone_Wanderer | but it worked well for planes too, and units would also try to walk through it and kill themselves |
| 21:55.43 | Lone_Wanderer | then you just lay down pavement everywhere so that Nod can't slip their subterranean thing through and you can't be touched |
| 21:56.43 | mgeary | wait, is KOTOR the one where you can kill those big-headed dino things on Tattoine? |
| 21:57.23 | mgeary | i do have that. that was indeed good. but i found that too many of the Force abilities you could choose weren't really very useful |
| 21:58.04 | Lone_Wanderer | I want the Force. |
| 21:58.09 | Lone_Wanderer | In real life. |
| 21:58.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe I should start reading Star Wars books. Are they any good, or are they mostly just fan service? |
| 21:58.35 | mindjuju | don't remember the 2 headed things, but it did let you choose force skills, and true, many of them were dumb |
| 21:58.42 | mgeary | no, just one head |
| 21:59.03 | mgeary | but it was big, out by the broken down desert crawler thing. And you go to the sand people and your evil robot translates for you |
| 21:59.06 | mindjuju | oh, then yeah, |
| 21:59.15 | mindjuju | yup, exactly |
| 21:59.33 | mindjuju | and now that i think about it, there was this big dragon type thing that you have to kill |
| 21:59.37 | mindjuju | loved that game |
| 21:59.44 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:00.00 | mindjuju | thing i liked about KOTOR is that as you went bad, everybody did bad things with you |
| 22:00.19 | mgeary | i never tried that. like what? |
| 22:00.20 | mindjuju | or if you did good, they would act good and do good things |
| 22:00.27 | mindjuju | well, that was the cool thing |
| 22:00.30 | Lone_Wanderer | like they'd go "Hey, let's go push that old lady down!" |
| 22:00.34 | Lone_Wanderer | ? |
| 22:00.35 | mgeary | i did get what's-her-name to kiss me |
| 22:00.47 | mindjuju | like remember how there is that bad jedi and part of your training is to go deal with her |
| 22:00.56 | mindjuju | if your good, you convince her to go back to the jedi academy |
| 22:01.00 | mindjuju | if your bad, you just kill her |
| 22:01.08 | mindjuju | and if you kill her, it affects the plot later on |
| 22:01.17 | mgeary | yeah, i do like that variability, but... |
| 22:01.29 | mindjuju | well, the evil robot dude gets more evil |
| 22:01.31 | mgeary | ... it does seem like you get punished for being bad by have fewer side missions |
| 22:01.43 | mindjuju | not that i recall |
| 22:01.48 | mgeary | a lot of RPGs do that, it seems |
| 22:02.04 | Lone_Wanderer | being bad is it's own reward |
| 22:02.06 | mindjuju | in fact, when your bad, you get to be the bounty hunter for that one elite group |
| 22:02.22 | mgeary | i did that while good |
| 22:02.26 | mindjuju | really? |
| 22:02.31 | mgeary | and then they tell you, "HAH, we were just playing you, sucker" |
| 22:02.32 | Lone_Wanderer | jedi can be bounty hunters? |
| 22:02.51 | mindjuju | yeah, cause it seems like in one, you have to kill the dude |
| 22:02.57 | mgeary | you lose a bit of good karma, but you can offset that by other good deads |
| 22:03.07 | mindjuju | ah, true |
| 22:03.18 | Lone_Wanderer | That'd be awesome. How can you stop a bounty hunter with the force? |
| 22:03.21 | mindjuju | i played the game twice, all the way good and all the way bad |
| 22:03.56 | mindjuju | in the end, you take over the star forge, blast the yoda wanna be |
| 22:04.03 | Lone_Wanderer | More importantly, does the coolness of being a jedi *add* to the coolness of being a bounty hunter, or does it multiply? |
| 22:04.07 | mindjuju | plunge the universe in another reign of the sith |
| 22:04.16 | mgeary | mindjuju: cool. i'll have to try that |
| 22:04.17 | mindjuju | multiple, i found |
| 22:04.47 | mindjuju | i actually found out something funny about KOTOR though |
| 22:04.53 | Lone_Wanderer | I read something about Star Wars vs. Star Trek and the guy said that Star Trek is a better universe to live in because it's egalitarian whereas Star Wars is elitist |
| 22:05.23 | mindjuju | when i was going all the way bad, i picked the lady jedi, and that chick at the end still wants to kiss on you and you can have her kiss you |
| 22:05.44 | mindjuju | funny huh |
| 22:05.48 | mgeary | hah |
| 22:05.48 | thebigdog | every geeks dream |
| 22:06.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone can go to the academy in ST, but in SW you have to be born into the elite group, and the jedi (he spins it cleverly) are fighting *against* giving their power away to the unwashed masses |
| 22:06.58 | mindjuju | eh, Star Trek wouldn't last 2 minutes in ...A galaxy far far away |
| 22:07.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, I read that one too. But that's not what the article was about. |
| 22:08.01 | mindjuju | haven't the article, but i'm just saying, think about what Yoda would do the Borg |
| 22:08.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone actually took the specs from ships in SW and ST and compared them. |
| 22:08.22 | mindjuju | or Emperor v Picard |
| 22:08.24 | Lone_Wanderer | SW wins hands down. |
| 22:08.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Even without the Force. |
| 22:08.40 | mindjuju | I love Picard, but he'd get his butt whooped |
| 22:08.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 22:08.51 | mindjuju | no, Q on the other hand... |
| 22:08.57 | mindjuju | Q v Yoda v Emperor |
| 22:08.57 | Lone_Wanderer | "This is unjust! You cannot..." *zot* |
| 22:09.10 | mindjuju | that would be cool |
| 22:09.35 | thebigdog | Q vs V would be good |
| 22:10.04 | mindjuju | V , like the aliens that came to earth in the 80's in the silver jumpsuits with the V on them? |
| 22:10.15 | thebigdog | oh yeah |
| 22:10.30 | Lone_Wanderer | here it is |
| 22:10.32 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/1999/06/15/brin_main/ |
| 22:10.32 | mindjuju | oh, the only thing i remember is that some chick and a V dude bred together and the baby was a lizard thing |
| 22:10.39 | thebigdog | i thought it was black jumpsuits and red v |
| 22:10.41 | Lone_Wanderer | and it's got an awesome drawing of Picard and Vader fighting |
| 22:11.42 | thebigdog | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(TV_series) |
| 22:17.12 | mindjuju | interesting article |
| 22:17.25 | mindjuju | i just had a bad thought though |
| 22:17.58 | mindjuju | Data v R2D2 & C3PO (tag team) = Data win for sure |
| 22:18.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, no doubt. |
| 22:18.18 | herlo | why? |
| 22:18.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Data is awesome. |
| 22:18.35 | herlo | yeah, but why? |
| 22:18.41 | mindjuju | Yeah, Data was changing the frequency modulation on the guns to kill the borg |
| 22:18.45 | mindjuju | he kicks A |
| 22:18.53 | mindjuju | and he killed several borg with his bare hands |
| 22:19.14 | Lone_Wanderer | He's as resourceful and intelligent as R2D2 and much more physically durable than C3PO |
| 22:19.15 | herlo | that's true |
| 22:20.05 | mgeary | you know, if anyone was curious about whether everyone here was a complete nerd or not.... |
| 22:20.19 | mgeary | i think the matter has been pretty concretely resolved |
| 22:20.32 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:21.18 | mindjuju | i think in SW v ST , all your non-Force enhanced people would die pretty quick |
| 22:21.26 | mindjuju | Worf v Han Solo ? no contest |
| 22:22.05 | mindjuju | and all your whiners in SW might have trouble |
| 22:22.15 | mindjuju | Wesley Crusher v Luke Skywalker = A draw |
| 22:23.33 | Lone_Wanderer | mindjuju: hand to hand Worf would win, but the ships in SW are so much more powerful that Worf wouldn't have a chance. |
| 22:23.39 | thebigdog | wesley is a wuzz |
| 22:24.06 | herlo | wesley was never supposed to be strong, he was supposed to be the pretty boy, but he just turned into a geek |
| 22:24.29 | mindjuju | except that, Star Wars ships could barely break light speed |
| 22:24.47 | mindjuju | where ST where hitting Warp 12 (Star Trek, All good things...) |
| 22:25.02 | Lone_Wanderer | There are several scenes in Star Wars where a trip from the center of the galaxy to the galactic rim is described as taking "a couple of hours" |
| 22:25.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Warp 12 was a typo |
| 22:26.03 | thebigdog | captain...i cant give her no morrreee |
| 22:26.03 | Lone_Wanderer | in Star Trek, such a trip (as in Voyager) can take more than a single lifetime |
| 22:26.03 | herlo | http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail220.html |
| 22:26.03 | herlo | wil wheaton |
| 22:29.14 | mindjuju | one last comment, then i have to go back and finish this project or i'm be killed |
| 22:29.50 | dataw0lf | yessss, my precious |
| 22:29.56 | mindjuju | but in that scene in attack of the clones where all the jedi are fighting the droid army, imagine if those were star trek cadets |
| 22:30.22 | dataw0lf | they'd get wiped out |
| 22:30.27 | dataw0lf | soooooooooooon |
| 22:30.40 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl |
| 22:30.45 | Lone_Wanderer | they'd have no chance |
| 22:30.50 | herlo | lol |
| 22:30.54 | Lone_Wanderer | on the other hand, if they were Klingons... |
| 22:30.54 | dataw0lf | c'mon |
| 22:31.04 | dataw0lf | jedis would tear klingons apart |
| 22:31.19 | herlo | that's because they are nameless and last only one episode (or 20 minutes of a movie) |
| 22:31.28 | Lone_Wanderer | No, the Klingons would just nuke them from orbit. |
| 22:31.46 | herlo | the star trek cadets that is... |
| 22:32.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes, that's what I meant. Klingons would nuke the droid army from space. |
| 22:32.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Incidentally, why didn't the Jedi do that? Is there something that prevents them from aiming their ships at a planet's surface? |
| 22:32.48 | Lone_Wanderer | their ship's guns* |
| 22:33.20 | dataw0lf | planetary shields, dude |
| 22:33.25 | dataw0lf | all the sweet planets got em |
| 22:34.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahhh. |
| 22:35.07 | Lone_Wanderer | But if they were able to land their forces at all, that would suggest that the shields were down. |
| 22:36.10 | herlo | oh boy! this is turning into such a nerdfest! |
| 22:41.03 | herlo | :) |
| 22:42.14 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: have you read any of Saberhagen's Berserker stories? |
| 23:07.15 | mindjuju | hey wps, have anybody volunteered for April meet? |
| 23:07.21 | wps | yes |
| 23:07.23 | wps | Brandon Stout |
| 23:07.49 | mindjuju | oh, well, you can write me down for the next slot available, topic: Dojo Toolkit |
| 23:07.52 | mindjuju | i'm really digging on it |
| 23:07.56 | mgeary | what's Brandon presenting on? |
| 23:08.04 | wps | hasn't stated his topic |
| 23:08.15 | wps | You are penciled in, mindjuju |
| 23:08.23 | mindjuju | is that for May? |
| 23:08.34 | wps | yessir |
| 23:08.39 | mindjuju | coolio, thx |
| 23:09.10 | wps | fair well, good friends |
| 23:09.28 | mindjuju | you know what would be cool, if we conned dataw0lf to come up to give a php meet |
| 23:10.01 | mindjuju | and for the topic, had him hack a basic install of apache or something |
| 23:10.50 | Lone_Wanderer | fair well? is that like, if the water that comes out of your well is blonde? |
| 23:11.19 | mindjuju | i think it's when the water doesn't cheat you at cards |
| 23:12.31 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, okay |
| 23:12.38 | Lone_Wanderer | err, I mean, "here here". |
| 23:12.42 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart eggcorns |
| 23:18.19 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I could do that. |
| 23:18.24 | dataw0lf | no need for conning. |
| 23:18.31 | mindjuju | that would be WAY cool |
| 23:18.36 | dataw0lf | aight |
| 23:18.40 | dataw0lf | June, maybe? |
| 23:19.02 | dataw0lf | in fact, I'd let whomever have a base install on their machine and hack it over wireless :) |
| 23:19.04 | mindjuju | i think June would be cool. Maybe while you were done, we could have UPHPU bbq too |
| 23:19.10 | dataw0lf | that'd be cool. |
| 23:20.00 | mindjuju | it'd prolly be the highest attended |
| 23:22.51 | Lone_Wanderer | probably, yeah. I almost never go to uphpu meetings, but I'd go to one with DW hacking for sure. |
| 23:24.13 | dataw0lf | all I'd ask is that the platform I targetted would be Unix. I have almost no experience hacking Windows remotely. |
| 23:24.28 | dataw0lf | Unix meaning *nix of any kind, of course. |
| 23:25.02 | mindjuju | well, i have a couple of boxes lying around my office. I could just do a LAMP install where you call the OS |
| 23:25.07 | Lone_Wanderer | How do you even go about cracking into a server? |
| 23:25.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Do you just have to know of, or find, some kind of exploitable bug in the service? |
| 23:25.36 | mgeary | yeah, i mean, having apache isn't enough. you'd need to have some pages (php, etc.) that allow for exploit, no? |
| 23:25.59 | Lone_Wanderer | no, if apache is insecure in some way you can take advantage of that |
| 23:26.00 | mgeary | or look for an unclosed port and exploit a known bug |
| 23:26.16 | mindjuju | see, that's where i'd say let dataw0lf decide |
| 23:26.20 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: on the default "Welcome to Apache" page? i'd like to hear that |
| 23:26.25 | mindjuju | if hack the box straight or through the code |
| 23:26.26 | dataw0lf | if you guys want me to do a web app attack, I can do that. If you want me to do a service attack, I can do that too. |
| 23:26.37 | dataw0lf | I could probably successfully attack a web app much quicker than a service. |
| 23:26.41 | mgeary | well yeah |
| 23:26.43 | Lone_Wanderer | No, not in the page it serves up |
| 23:26.53 | Lone_Wanderer | in the protocol that you use to request the page |
| 23:26.55 | dataw0lf | And since a service would involve shellcode and gdb, you guys probably wouldn't learn much, it's a pretty complex topic. |
| 23:26.58 | dataw0lf | But, either way. |
| 23:27.22 | mgeary | i'm not sure what i dislike more-- |
| 23:27.35 | mgeary | the fact that dataw0lf assumes i have no idea what "shellcode" and "gdb" are... |
| 23:27.37 | dataw0lf | we could do a exploitable app and I would show the mechanics of a basic exploit |
| 23:27.39 | mgeary | or the fact that i don't |
| 23:27.44 | mgeary | ;) |
| 23:27.47 | dataw0lf | and then people could offer up their apps after I'm done and I could try to exploit them. |
| 23:27.49 | mindjuju | heh |
| 23:28.00 | mindjuju | hey! |
| 23:28.04 | mindjuju | SQL inject could be cool |
| 23:28.21 | Lone_Wanderer | just do the mechanics of a basic exploit |
| 23:28.48 | dataw0lf | mgeary: well, it's not that you guys don't know what it is, but the process involved is EXTREMELY complex, and I'm willing to guarantee that many people who want to come to a UPHPU meeting have no knowledge of assembly shellcode, nor much interest in it. |
| 23:28.49 | dataw0lf | I mean, I'll do it. |
| 23:28.53 | dataw0lf | but it'd probably be boring. |
| 23:28.55 | mgeary | heh. yeah, was just being funny. mostly. |
| 23:30.05 | mindjuju | i personally think sql inject is the scariest |
| 23:30.10 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: what are shellcode and gdb? |
| 23:31.12 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: shellcode is the payload of an exploit for software, usually returning a 'shell' |
| 23:31.18 | dataw0lf | gdb is the GNU debugger |
| 23:31.25 | dataw0lf | which is the main tool in software exploitation. |
| 23:32.04 | Lone_Wanderer | really? |
| 23:32.24 | Lone_Wanderer | so shellcode is what comes after your noop sled, or are we talking different things? |
| 23:33.42 | mindjuju | it's crazy how the debugger can be used to gain critical advantage over security. I just read the other day, that's how they gained the info to break blue-ray and hd-dvd, was using a debugger |
| 23:34.01 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: kinda. |
| 23:34.31 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: well, you get to observe executing code, and put stops in it, to examine specific variable values, etc. |
| 23:34.43 | dataw0lf | it's pretty much the sweetest thang when you want to exploit an app. |
| 23:35.08 | dataw0lf | nowadays, I just use InlineEgg to generate my shellcode, mostly. |
| 23:35.24 | dataw0lf | since almost all of my security tools are Python tools that others or myself have built. |
| 23:47.26 | mgeary | later |
| 23:47.56 | mindjuju | later |
| 23:48.00 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:48.41 | Lone_Wanderer | ohh, cool |
| 23:54.30 | dataw0lf | yea, pretty sweet |