| 00:02.06 | mindjuju | when trying to learn CSS or HTML, IMHO, Jesse's Real-time HTML Editor rox! http://htmledit.squarefree.com/ |
| 00:02.16 | mindjuju | cause you get to see what your doing right there as you type it |
| 00:03.10 | mindjuju | the only bad thing about that editor, is that I didn't write it. The code behind it is beautiful and I'd be green with envy if i didn't use it so darn much |
| 00:03.57 | mindjuju | though if you start to write some complex JS, it can cause the browser to freak out and you'll have to shut it down |
| 00:06.14 | dataw0lf | http://reno.craigslist.org/sys/291789944.html |
| 00:06.20 | dataw0lf | whaddya guys think? good deal? |
| 00:07.36 | mindjuju | wouldn't pay online for that. it seems too sweet a deal, or if online, through escrow |
| 00:07.42 | mindjuju | IMHO |
| 00:07.56 | dataw0lf | well, I emailed the guy, and he's getting a divorce |
| 00:08.10 | dataw0lf | he wants to meet, not paying over the net |
| 00:08.57 | dataw0lf | besides, everyone knows you don't steal from dw. It just isn't done. |
| 00:08.58 | dataw0lf | Unless you want remarkably bad credit, an addition to the sexual predators list, etc |
| 00:08.58 | beandog | mindjuju: really? |
| 00:08.58 | beandog | who did you defraud? |
| 00:08.58 | beandog | give us some tips |
| 00:08.58 | beandog | :D |
| 00:09.12 | dataw0lf | so YOU'RE the prince from nigeria, mindjuju! |
| 00:09.13 | beandog | dataw0lf: lols |
| 00:09.23 | mindjuju | yipes! |
| 00:09.40 | mindjuju | yeah, i'm kinda doing the eddie murphy coming to america thing |
| 00:09.47 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 00:09.50 | dataw0lf | that's a great movie |
| 00:09.52 | mindjuju | except, instead of looking for a wife, i'm looking for a couple of hax0rs |
| 00:10.13 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 00:10.14 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 00:12.04 | mindjuju | double double? what's that? |
| 00:12.06 | dataw0lf | yessss, the one great thing about Reno |
| 00:12.10 | dataw0lf | IN AND OUT ALL THE TIME! |
| 00:12.12 | beandog | dont worry, I wouldnt eat Mcdonalds if my life depended on it. |
| 00:12.15 | dataw0lf | double burger double cheese |
| 00:12.28 | dataw0lf | In & Out is the greatest fast food ever |
| 00:12.37 | beandog | In & out is pretty good, only eaten there like twice though |
| 00:12.52 | beandog | what we really need in utah is a Waffle House |
| 00:13.00 | mindjuju | true that on the waffle house |
| 00:13.05 | dataw0lf | ick |
| 00:13.10 | beandog | mmmm, my favorite |
| 00:13.16 | dataw0lf | you guys need a white castle and an in & out |
| 00:13.17 | beandog | mindjuju: lets franchise one |
| 00:13.22 | dataw0lf | you'll all be 400+ lbs in no time |
| 00:17.23 | beandog | bueno |
| 00:17.25 | beandog | me voy a la casa. |
| 00:17.27 | beandog | nos vemos, todos. |
| 00:18.15 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 00:18.20 | macnewbold | see y'all tomorrow |
| 00:18.25 | mindjuju | cya macnewbold |
| 00:18.35 | mindjuju | thanks for offering to do the presentation on thursday! |
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| 02:12.10 | mindjuju | cool, i got a 90 on the test |
| 02:12.12 | mindjuju | http://www.nerdtests.com/ft_nq.php?im |
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| 03:00.17 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
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| 03:22.29 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: sorta |
| 03:23.29 | _psychic_ | Are you? ;) |
| 03:23.50 | mindjuju | yeah, just watching the trailer for spidy 3 on apple.com |
| 03:27.24 | mindjuju | well, that's just too cool. well, i was looking for somebody to look over a page design and tell me that it suxed or not, but i'm convinced, that it does sux and that I need to do it over again |
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| 03:47.30 | thebigdog | man i love the new xfce interface |
| 03:47.39 | mindjuju | huh? |
| 03:47.41 | mindjuju | what's that? |
| 03:47.48 | mindjuju | vid card? |
| 03:48.36 | _psychic_ | k cool |
| 03:52.51 | mindjuju | hey _psychic_ what OS / browser you using? |
| 03:53.09 | _psychic_ | mac os x, ff2 |
| 03:53.13 | _psychic_ | duh |
| 03:53.28 | mindjuju | if you have a moment, can you check out this link and let me know if it works |
| 03:53.28 | mindjuju | http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/s5/s5-intro.html |
| 03:53.46 | mindjuju | it should act like a presentation |
| 03:55.00 | _psychic_ | yep |
| 03:55.06 | _psychic_ | I've used it before |
| 03:55.18 | mindjuju | i was thinking of using it on a page i got |
| 03:55.27 | mindjuju | has that s5 caused you any probs or do you like it? |
| 03:55.37 | _psychic_ | I didn't use it extensively |
| 03:55.43 | _psychic_ | but its kinda cool |
| 03:55.51 | _psychic_ | specially if you want your slides indexed |
| 03:55.59 | _psychic_ | but if not, PDF is probably easier |
| 03:56.05 | mindjuju | yeah, was just reading about that feature |
| 03:58.12 | thebigdog | mindjuju xfce is a windows manager |
| 04:00.10 | mindjuju | that's awesome that s5 is public domain |
| 04:01.45 | _psychic_ | yep |
| 04:01.52 | _psychic_ | I used to read meyer's blog |
| 04:02.00 | _psychic_ | but he litters it with liberal ranting |
| 04:02.06 | _psychic_ | too liberal for me, even. |
| 04:02.21 | mindjuju | curious |
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| 04:13.11 | _psychic_ | ? |
| 04:13.39 | mindjuju | some jerk in Spain got confused and thought his email address at google was my email address |
| 04:13.51 | mindjuju | and of course he signed himself up for a billion services before it was discovered |
| 04:14.02 | mindjuju | so now, I get billions of pieces of SPAM a day in spanish |
| 04:14.30 | mindjuju | where before I didn't get any because I never gave the email addy out, except to people who knew better |
| 04:15.07 | _psychic_ | d'oh! |
| 04:15.11 | _psychic_ | that sucks :( |
| 04:15.27 | mindjuju | yeah, the funny thing was, i got a whole mess a wedding pictures, baby pictures, etc |
| 04:15.54 | mindjuju | course i sent a note to the sender telling them i didn't know who they were, that they were cute, but to please stop sending pictures |
| 04:19.12 | thebigdog | ~send mindjuju a picture of the bigdog |
| 04:19.20 | jbot | Go (.*?), mindjuju |
| 04:20.01 | thebigdog | man this emo music needs to go |
| 04:20.11 | mindjuju | emo? |
| 04:20.42 | thebigdog | there are like no good bands anymore |
| 04:21.22 | mindjuju | yup, can't argue there, that's why i go techno |
| 04:21.50 | thebigdog | i'm not a big techno fan |
| 04:21.52 | thebigdog | some is ok |
| 04:22.01 | mindjuju | yeah, i know |
| 04:24.15 | mindjuju | wow |
| 04:24.15 | mindjuju | http://michiganzone.blogspot.com/2006/12/usc-song-girl-cheers-at-wrong.html |
| 04:51.09 | com4 | deiei |
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| 15:05.12 | timinator | yawn |
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| 15:14.00 | macnewbold | ~yow |
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| 15:34.16 | mgeary | ~zippy |
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| 17:19.34 | Lone_Wanderer | ~yow |
| 17:22.17 | mgeary | hey all |
| 17:22.36 | jsmith | Hey mgeary |
| 17:22.58 | mgeary | i've got another PHP job to refer to someone. the high-level description is to build a one-product storefront with credit-card support |
| 17:27.25 | mgeary | no takers? |
| 17:34.05 | synic | what if I already had one and I just sold it to you? |
| 17:36.28 | mgeary | you could sell it to the client |
| 17:36.34 | mgeary | i'm not looking for a cut here :) |
| 17:44.06 | jsmith | ~cut mindjuju |
| 17:44.17 | jsmith | ~stab mindjuju |
| 17:44.18 | jbot | ACTION runs at mindjuju with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut. |
| 17:44.21 | mindjuju | oops, left myself open on that one |
| 17:44.26 | jsmith | mindjuju: There's your cut |
| 17:44.28 | mindjuju | i meant a cut of the money |
| 17:52.57 | mgeary | well hey, mindjuju, just take the gig, and you can have the whole pie ;) |
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| 18:59.14 | Lone_Wanderer | holy cow, I got a level 98 Res0's Protectorate Plate Mail. |
| 19:00.28 | bigdog_ut | what? |
| 19:00.35 | mindjuju | on what, Lone_Wanderer , that idlerpg thing? |
| 19:00.46 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 19:01.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently my enemies now cower in fear as their attacks have no effect on me. |
| 19:42.09 | dataw0lf | Saturday, Donny, is Shabbos, the Jewish day of rest. That means that I don't work, I don't get in a car, I don't f****ng ride in a car, I don't pick up the phone, I don't turn on the oven and I sure as s**t DON'T F***ING ROLL! SHOMER SHABBOS! |
| 19:43.47 | dataw0lf | You mark that frame an 8, and you're entering a world of pain. |
| 19:54.15 | dataw0lf | Smokey, this is not 'Nam. This is bowling. There are rules. |
| 20:17.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Same. I've heard it's worth it. |
| 20:17.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, I've seen the F**king Short Version. |
| 20:18.29 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqtgfjkB6Pg |
| 20:49.16 | dataw0lf | one of the greatest movies of all time |
| 20:49.21 | dataw0lf | definitely the most quotable |
| 21:05.50 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: so |
| 21:05.56 | dataw0lf | I have a Star Wars MUD up |
| 21:06.02 | dataw0lf | I was thinking we could do a space themed mud |
| 21:06.03 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 21:06.10 | dataw0lf | it has spaceships |
| 21:06.14 | dataw0lf | guns |
| 21:06.16 | dataw0lf | droid |
| 21:06.19 | dataw0lf | droids* |
| 21:06.22 | dataw0lf | all types of shit |
| 21:06.23 | dataw0lf | err |
| 21:06.24 | dataw0lf | stuff |
| 21:06.27 | dataw0lf | my bad |
| 21:06.34 | dataw0lf | telnet to stderr.ws 6666 |
| 21:06.37 | Lone_Wanderer | Can you only shoot people in the same room as you? |
| 21:06.41 | dataw0lf | no, you can snipe |
| 21:07.11 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
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| 21:14.40 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, right. stderr.ws, 6666. My bad, one sec. |
| 22:03.46 | bigdog_ut | is there anyway to get safari on linux or something comparable? |
| 22:03.55 | bigdog_ut | how close is konqueror to safari? |
| 22:04.55 | beandog | well, safari uses the KHTML rendering engine |
| 22:04.58 | beandog | so, pretty darn close I'd say. |
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| 22:06.08 | bigdog_ut | man |
| 22:08.30 | bigdog_ut | i hate kde |
| 22:09.45 | beandog | whats wrong |
| 22:11.19 | bigdog_ut | guy wants me to fix some stuff on his site that gives safari errors |
| 22:11.28 | bigdog_ut | so now i got to figure a way to do that |
| 22:11.40 | bigdog_ut | i should tell him to buy me a new mac laptop |
| 22:12.02 | beandog | :) |
| 22:12.06 | beandog | that's what I would do |
| 22:19.34 | dataw0lf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-KWYYIY4jQ |
| 22:26.14 | mgeary | that's pretty funny |
| 22:35.28 | mgeary | hey, i need some cli help on OS X. i want to egrep a directory for content matches, and i want the matching files to be opened in a program, "mate" in this case. |
| 22:35.33 | mgeary | this is what i have so far: egrep -il --include="*.php" "::" * | mate |
| 22:35.43 | mgeary | but of course, that just creates a new doc with the names of the matching files |
| 22:36.08 | mgeary | normally you'd do "mate somedoc.txt" to open it |
| 22:36.12 | bigdog_ut | try using find |
| 22:36.15 | dataw0lf | use xargs |
| 22:36.20 | bigdog_ut | with xargs |
| 22:36.21 | mgeary | how can i have find evaluate the contents of a file? |
| 22:36.35 | dataw0lf | egrep -il --include="*.php" "::" * | xargs mate |
| 22:36.38 | bigdog_ut | find . -type f -name '*.php' | xargs -i mate "{}" |
| 22:36.52 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.drivl.com/posts/view/731?dupe - Reddit, Digg, /., and delicious comparisons. |
| 22:37.06 | mgeary | dataw0lf: is the winner |
| 22:37.14 | mgeary | and bigdog_ut |
| 22:37.23 | mgeary | works like a charm. thanks! |
| 22:50.24 | dataw0lf | has anyone ever had spam musubi? |
| 22:51.27 | synic | no, but it looks good |
| 22:51.33 | dataw0lf | it's actually pretty tasty |
| 22:52.25 | synic | I really like spam |
| 22:52.27 | synic | heh |
| 22:52.31 | synic | I have a can of it on my desk |
| 22:53.09 | mgeary | alright, so i've got a static class with a method that needs to access a database. What are some good ways to have this method access my current database connector? |
| 22:53.33 | dataw0lf | I don't like spam, but man do I like this spam musubi |
| 22:54.02 | mgeary | normally i have a global $application_instance variable, and it has a property ($db_connector). but in the static class i can't declare this global in the constructor, since the constructor isn't called for the static method |
| 22:54.36 | mgeary | i could declare the global in every function that needs DB access, but that seems inelegant |
| 22:58.22 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 23:05.16 | mindjuju | it's amazing how much meetings wear a person out |
| 23:14.11 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 23:14.12 | dataw0lf | http://pediapress.com/ |
| 23:14.18 | dataw0lf | I wonder if it comes with spam too |
| 23:14.24 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: gymjones.com |
| 23:14.32 | dataw0lf | that site is built upon Django. |
| 23:14.40 | Lone_Wanderer | How do you know? |
| 23:14.49 | thebigdog | django icon |
| 23:14.56 | Lone_Wanderer | oh, cool |
| 23:17.52 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: nice. |
| 23:19.43 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm pretty sure that these guys trained all the Spartans in 300. |
| 23:20.37 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 23:20.42 | dataw0lf | http://www.gymjones.com/knowledge.php?id=35 |
| 23:21.45 | dataw0lf | they sound like my type of guys |
| 23:21.48 | dataw0lf | http://www.gymjones.com/knowledge.php?id=6 |
| 23:22.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought they would. |
| 23:22.59 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl "You call people losers? That's unkind." |
| 23:24.55 | mindjuju | this sounds cool |
| 23:24.55 | mindjuju | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/12/AR2007031201395.html |
| 23:25.03 | mindjuju | internet over the TV spectrum |
| 23:25.45 | mindjuju | i wonder though, wouldn't we need some kind of antenna pointed back to the tower to allow for 2 way communication? |
| 23:26.21 | thebigdog | i think internet over standard electricity would be nice |
| 23:27.00 | beandog | actually its not that bad. but still. |
| 23:27.08 | mindjuju | i've seen electric network devices that allow computers to communicate over powerlines |
| 23:27.20 | beandog | too expensive! there we go. |
| 23:28.06 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: might as well pray for the comeback of 14.4 baud modems |
| 23:28.20 | thebigdog | +1 modems |
| 23:29.41 | mindjuju | +1 two coffee cans and a string |
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| 23:30.26 | thebigdog | +1 internet based telepathy |
| 23:30.33 | thebigdog | or |
| 23:30.41 | thebigdog | +1 telepathy based internet |
| 23:31.58 | thebigdog | computer which card am i holding up? |
| 23:33.12 | mindjuju | that reminds me of that scene in Star Trek 4 where Scotty is trying to speak to the computer to program transparent aluminum |
| 23:33.32 | beandog | heh |
| 23:33.34 | beandog | hello, computer |
| 23:33.36 | mindjuju | Computer! (no response) {picks up mouse} Ah, how quaint... Computer! |
| 23:35.00 | thebigdog | computer....COMPUTER |
| 23:39.13 | mgeary | i know it's end-of-day, but can we talk OOP theory for a minute? |
| 23:40.19 | mgeary | it is often the case that i need to gather list-type data. for example, a listing of all clients in the system. In this scenario, we're displaying some properties of each object.... |
| 23:40.59 | thebigdog | you talking php? |
| 23:41.02 | mgeary | now, the age-old question (for me, at least) is "do i hit the DB directly and return an array of direct values? Or do i gather all matching objects and iterate through each object and retrieve it's property" |
| 23:41.03 | mgeary | yes |
| 23:41.05 | mgeary | php talk |
| 23:41.09 | thebigdog | lol |
| 23:41.14 | mgeary | crazy, eh? |
| 23:41.17 | thebigdog | k *oop* |
| 23:41.49 | mgeary | now, generally, i gather lists of objects, since it allows much more flexibility. When performance becomes an issue, i change to hitting the DB directly |
| 23:41.56 | thebigdog | technically the question is not oop |
| 23:42.07 | mgeary | bear with me |
| 23:42.28 | mgeary | i assume that many of you are familiar with this same issue? |
| 23:43.11 | thebigdog | not following the question? |
| 23:43.43 | mgeary | okay, rewinding |
| 23:44.36 | mgeary | let's imagine i have a DB table called "clients", and i have a class called Client. A Client object relates directly to a row in the "clients" table, as identified by primary key. Standard oop stuff, no? $this_client = new Client(4); |
| 23:44.52 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 23:45.06 | mgeary | so, now, let's say i'm going to display a table of all clients. |
| 23:45.14 | mgeary | first name, last name, phone, whatever |
| 23:45.30 | mgeary | that's the context for the discussion i begin above. |
| 23:45.36 | thebigdog | so your o/r mapping layer save the objects in memory? |
| 23:45.50 | mgeary | can you rephrase that question? |
| 23:46.08 | thebigdog | are you using an o/r mapping layer in your app? |
| 23:46.21 | mgeary | o/r = object-relationship? |
| 23:46.26 | thebigdog | yes |
| 23:46.47 | mgeary | not sure what the conventional definition of that phrase is. can you elaborate? |
| 23:48.28 | thebigdog | ok to answer your question it depends on what you need the data for |
| 23:48.46 | mgeary | well right, that's actually not my question |
| 23:48.47 | thebigdog | i usually do the first objects and i dont cascade down |
| 23:48.53 | mgeary | this is all lead up |
| 23:48.54 | mgeary | :) |
| 23:49.19 | mgeary | but what do you mean by "cascade down" ? |
| 23:49.22 | thebigdog | ok i grab the first tier of objects then i lazy load the others wehn i need them |
| 23:49.35 | thebigdog | meaning i grab the objects for the client first |
| 23:49.47 | thebigdog | then if i need additional objects from that i lazy load them |
| 23:49.51 | mgeary | sure |
| 23:49.54 | thebigdog | meaning that i load them when they are requested |
| 23:50.08 | mgeary | but for simplicity's sake, let's assume that there's only one object type in question |
| 23:50.20 | thebigdog | the i usually grab the object |
| 23:50.21 | mgeary | so, here we are, we've got an array of, say 150 objects, each representing a DB row |
| 23:50.26 | mgeary | right? |
| 23:50.29 | thebigdog | yep |
| 23:50.59 | mgeary | now, the way I usually do this kind of constructor, i hit the DB, gather the field values, and populate object properties, generally speaking |
| 23:51.10 | thebigdog | k |
| 23:51.32 | mgeary | so the issue here is that you're now doing in 150 queries what you could actually do in 1 query |
| 23:51.34 | mgeary | right? |
| 23:51.41 | mgeary | by not using objects |
| 23:52.36 | mgeary | one thought i had was, instead of JUST feeding the primary key to the constructor, what if i fed in an array of ALL that row's values. Then the constructor doesn't need to hit the DB again |
| 23:52.50 | mgeary | (only for these kinds of list, mind you) |
| 23:53.11 | mgeary | here's the strange thing. i'm doing some crude benchmarking, comparing these two approaches. |
| 23:54.09 | mgeary | for 1000 iterations, there is only .1 second difference between "preloading" the object (by passing the entire row data), and just passing the primary key, and having the object manually retrieve it's data |
| 23:54.28 | mgeary | that's across 1000 iterations x about 4 objects |
| 23:54.35 | mgeary | i'm shocked that i'm saving so little time |
| 23:55.40 | mindjuju | Well, I'm POSITIVE, I've now seen it ALL |
| 23:55.41 | mindjuju | http://dermatology.cdlib.org/124/case_presentations/pseudomamma/conde.html |
| 23:55.44 | mgeary | have i bored everyone to tears? maybe i should beat this drum tomorrow morning instead, when we're all fresh |
| 23:55.45 | mgeary | :) |
| 23:56.39 | thebigdog | im not following how you are creating the objects |
| 23:57.15 | mgeary | $return_array[] = new Client($db_row_array["id"]); |
| 23:57.18 | mgeary | something like that |
| 23:57.23 | mgeary | or is that not what you're asking? |
| 23:58.56 | mgeary | i've gotta go, but i would like to get more input on this issue, and perhaps explain myself better. until tomorrow.... |
| 23:59.25 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:59.27 | thebigdog | poing me when you want to discuss more |
| 23:59.41 | mindjuju | ~poing |
| 23:59.53 | jbot | mindjuju: wobble? |