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| 00:26.50 | Lone_Wanderer | mmmm, illegal danish super snacks |
| 00:29.30 | mindjuju | huh? |
| 00:31.11 | Lone_Wanderer | http://youtube.com/watch?v=y25XCwOBSUQ |
| 00:31.15 | Lone_Wanderer | It's about 20 minutes long. |
| 00:31.43 | Lone_Wanderer | But it ends with a rave in Thrall's chamber. |
| 00:32.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is very, very well done. |
| 00:37.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Unfortunately, you live in Utah, where ravers are often punished by being beaten by police and having dogs set on them. |
| 00:37.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Or is that just in Utah Valley? |
| 00:37.28 | thebigdog | uv |
| 00:37.47 | thebigdog | im a rose park junkie |
| 00:37.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Is Space Lord Mother to the tune of Funk Soul Brother? |
| 00:38.02 | Lone_Wanderer | And where's Rose Park? |
| 00:38.22 | thebigdog | nope...monster magnet |
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| 00:40.35 | tewk | Any good recommendations for an opensource php framework, or php ecommerce or shopping cart packages? |
| 00:41.52 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhhh, it's to the rave part |
| 00:41.55 | macnewbold | my recommendation is don't use one unless it already does practically everything you need/want. If you end up having to tweak and customize it, it quickly becomes much more work than it would have been to make your own. |
| 00:42.38 | tewk | Its a very small project. |
| 00:42.53 | tewk | What are some that are out there? |
| 00:43.07 | mindjuju | Curse you aquascum!!! |
| 00:43.28 | tewk | What about general purpose frameworks/tools such as Cake or Smarty. Anyone use those? |
| 00:43.30 | mindjuju | some days i really hate CSS |
| 00:43.39 | beandog_ | macnewbold++ |
| 00:44.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Don't use Smarty. |
| 00:44.07 | beandog_ | whats wrong with smarty? |
| 00:44.29 | Lone_Wanderer | It's redundant. Anything you can do with Smarty, you can do easier with PHP. |
| 00:44.37 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer++ |
| 00:44.39 | Lone_Wanderer | (And a little discipline.) |
| 00:44.44 | beandog_ | hmm |
| 00:44.48 | macnewbold | don't even worry about smarty |
| 00:44.48 | beandog_ | is it not low level enough I guess |
| 00:45.03 | macnewbold | _psychic_ would tell you cake is great if he were here (he's a Cake developer) |
| 00:45.18 | macnewbold | but it has a learning curve, like almost any framework you'll try and use |
| 00:45.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Just take your "template" out into another file (if you feel inclined), include it, and put as little PHP into it as possible. |
| 00:45.34 | beandog_ | mindjuju: whats wrong |
| 00:45.41 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: ping |
| 00:45.45 | thebigdog | tewk i would suggest googling some php frameworks and then review them with your given requirements |
| 00:45.47 | macnewbold | if it is a very small project, I'd say don't even bother with a framework unless you (a) already know it or (b) want to use it as a learning experience, and spend a lot of extra time to learn it |
| 00:45.49 | Lone_Wanderer | ~seen dataw0lf |
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| 00:46.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Care to share what the project is? |
| 00:46.26 | Lone_Wanderer | I promise you that I'm way too busy to try and steal your idea. |
| 00:47.02 | tewk | *Good* frameworks save you a lot of time and have good docs and examples. |
| 00:47.30 | beandog_ | personally I dont see the point, since youre going to have to learn the frameworks language. |
| 00:47.32 | beandog_ | but whatever. |
| 00:47.47 | beandog_ | learning phpDocumentor was fun enough for me |
| 00:47.53 | Lone_Wanderer | But once you've learned it, you can do other stuff faster. |
| 00:47.54 | beandog_ | of course, that has proved extremely valuable... |
| 00:47.54 | thebigdog | if you are set on a framework then i would suggest reviewing a couple...many developers are bias on frameworks and whether to use them or not |
| 00:48.05 | tewk | Lone_Wanderer: A simple site to sell craft goods. |
| 00:49.22 | macnewbold | tewk: yes, they can save you time, but they _rarely_ will save you time on your first project with them, unless it is a very large project (big enough to make up for the extra time it takes to learn how to use the framework well) |
| 00:49.38 | Lone_Wanderer | In that case, I'd suggest taking a look at zen cart. |
| 00:50.11 | beandog_ | thats the thing I hate about any abstraction layer, is they usually dont let you customize enough |
| 00:51.40 | macnewbold | right, flexibility is one thing you sacrifice when you use a tool |
| 00:51.53 | macnewbold | they have to make decisions when building it, and that means you don't have that choice anymore |
| 00:52.03 | macnewbold | do it their way, or you're better off without them |
| 00:52.17 | beandog_ | yah |
| 00:55.01 | bradym | twek: I've been playing with CodeIgniter and have been pleased so far -- haven't made anything useful with it yet though ;) |
| 00:55.08 | bradym | http://codeigniter.com/ |
| 00:55.32 | bradym | oops.. i mean tewk |
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| 01:20.42 | dataw0lf | was someone trying to get a hold of me |
| 01:23.36 | beandog_ | Dan was |
| 01:23.37 | beandog_ | he left. |
| 01:24.11 | beandog_ | Lone_Wanderer |
| 01:24.50 | dataw0lf | I know who Dan is, sir! |
| 01:24.55 | dataw0lf | what about, any idea? |
| 01:24.55 | beandog_ | bueno |
| 01:25.09 | beandog_ | dunno |
| 01:30.13 | timinator | I'm out |
| 01:30.16 | timinator | later guys |
| 01:30.19 | mindjuju | cya |
| 01:32.13 | mindjuju | can you really do riverdance in WoW? |
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| 13:49.14 | herlo | http://awkwardthingsisaytogirls.com/2007/02/why-geeks-make-good-lovers/ |
| 13:50.37 | mindjuju | sup herlo |
| 13:51.50 | herlo | mindjuju: good to see you |
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| 13:56.48 | mindjuju | that's pretty funny herlo, i'll have to send it to my wife |
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| 14:06.29 | mindjuju | curious... return of the commodore? http://www.pro-g.co.uk/news/06-03-2007-4930.html |
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| 15:40.21 | _psychic_ | ~rlart |
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| 15:47.09 | Utah_Dave | jbot, that was uncalled for! :) |
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| 16:17.05 | mgeary | morning folks |
| 16:17.09 | macnewbold | g'day |
| 16:17.19 | macnewbold | ~wake me |
| 16:17.35 | macnewbold | ~wake jbot |
| 16:17.46 | macnewbold | ~seen jbot |
| 16:18.17 | jbot | jbot is currently on #asterisk-doc (16d 13h 44m 1s) #ubuntu-utah (16d 13h 44m 1s) ##t42 (16d 13h 44m 1s) #how (16d 13h 44m 1s) #ol (16d 13h 44m 1s) #flyspray (16d 13h 44m 1s) #asterisk (16d 13h 44m 1s) #byumug (16d 13h 44m 1s) #va (16d 13h 44m 1s) #orkut (16d 13h 44m 1s) #nslu2-linux ... |
| 16:18.32 | mgeary | boy, he gets around |
| 16:19.43 | macnewbold | I guess jbot doesn't know how to wake someone |
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| 16:26.41 | dataw0lf | g'morning. |
| 16:36.46 | dataw0lf | http://groups.google.com/group/django-users/browse_thread/thread/456337736cc1c013/17fc56fe02d03c70#17fc56fe02d03c70 |
| 16:36.48 | dataw0lf | loltastic |
| 16:37.51 | thebigdog | catching is a very technical skill |
| 16:38.53 | dataw0lf | y'know catching pages is a very good idea. |
| 16:42.18 | thebigdog | is the technical form of filtering |
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| 16:44.48 | macnewbold | ~yarr |
| 16:44.49 | jbot | aye. yarr. |
| 16:46.47 | dataw0lf | http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_5335528 |
| 16:46.49 | dataw0lf | hero |
| 16:48.25 | thebigdog | ~hurray |
| 16:48.26 | jbot | <simonrvn> "hurray hurray for the first of may, outdoor fucking begins today!" |
| 16:48.41 | thebigdog | ouch |
| 16:49.01 | thebigdog | i think jbot loves beer too |
| 16:49.30 | dataw0lf | jbot: Cheers! |
| 16:49.31 | jbot | happy christmahanakwanzakuh! |
| 16:49.40 | dataw0lf | jbot: wooohoo! |
| 16:50.05 | mgeary | ~jbot |
| 16:50.07 | jbot | jbot is probably only marginally useful at best, He got a C- on his Turing Test, or dating the fembots, or a potty mouth, or some dimwit who learns crud. |
| 16:53.57 | Lone_Wanderer | jsmith: good tunes, I just barely started listening |
| 16:55.17 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: Huh? |
| 16:55.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Didn't you give me this mp3 yesterday? Or was that someone else? |
| 16:55.53 | jsmith | Wasn't me. |
| 16:55.59 | jsmith | Friends don't let friends use mp3 |
| 16:56.04 | Lone_Wanderer | oh |
| 16:59.27 | mgeary | my name is mgeary, and i am an mp3 user |
| 16:59.48 | thebigdog | ~welcome mgeary |
| 17:00.34 | mgeary | oh sure, jbot |
| 17:00.43 | thebigdog | ~slap mgeary |
| 17:00.44 | mgeary | ~insult jbot |
| 17:03.24 | dataw0lf | I'm an OGG user who has to transport all of my music over to my windows laptop and then compress it as mp3 |
| 17:03.51 | thebigdog | im an ogg user that recompiled my ipod to play ogg files |
| 17:03.53 | dataw0lf | since I have a Creative Zen Touch.. |
| 17:04.07 | dataw0lf | can't be done with the touch.. |
| 17:04.13 | dataw0lf | I tried to reverse engineer MTP |
| 17:04.14 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm an MP3 user :'( |
| 17:04.18 | dataw0lf | but I'm too lazy |
| 17:04.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I feel like I'm at an AA meeting or something. |
| 17:04.22 | dataw0lf | and stupid |
| 17:06.58 | _psychic_ | Lone_Wanderer: you mean AAC? ;) |
| 17:07.23 | Lone_Wanderer | A......Idon'tgettheacronym... |
| 17:08.44 | _psychic_ | ~wiki AAC |
| 17:09.21 | _psychic_ | Lone_Wanderer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_Coding |
| 17:09.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, okay |
| 17:09.33 | _psychic_ | (iTunes format) |
| 17:10.07 | jsmith | dataw0lf: I thought the gnomad2 people were working on the MTP stuff as well |
| 17:10.40 | dataw0lf | they were, but I think they dropped it |
| 17:11.07 | dataw0lf | C&D from Microsoft, maybe? |
| 17:12.03 | jsmith | Probably |
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| 17:52.00 | mgeary | ~welcome jbot |
| 17:52.01 | jbot | Howdy, jbot! |
| 17:52.12 | mgeary | ~welcome me |
| 17:52.13 | jbot | Hey, mgeary! Glad you could join us. |
| 17:52.16 | mgeary | no no |
| 17:54.33 | dataw0lf | everybody was kung fu fightin' |
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| 17:57.40 | jsmith | wps: Ping |
| 17:57.57 | wps | hey |
| 17:57.59 | Lone_Wanderer | ~kungfu dataw0lf |
| 17:58.17 | dataw0lf | ~karate Lone_Wanderer |
| 17:58.20 | jsmith | wps: Call 801-717-2299... it's a couple of weeks late (and doesn't have too many features yet) |
| 17:58.28 | jsmith | wps: But it's a start |
| 17:59.46 | wps | awesome! |
| 18:00.12 | wps | thanks, jsmith |
| 18:00.14 | wps | you made my day |
| 18:00.20 | jsmith | No problem... glad I could help. |
| 18:00.28 | jsmith | I see you found secret option 3 :-) |
| 18:01.00 | jsmith | Or did you? |
| 18:01.07 | jsmith | That might have been someone else |
| 18:01.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Karate is silly. It's dance that's vaguely martial in nature. |
| 18:02.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Like caipoera (sp?) only with fewer fit girls doing it. |
| 18:03.21 | wps | I like 4 even better |
| 18:04.49 | jsmith | I've got a bunch more to put up there, when I can get the menu recorded |
| 18:06.32 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: most martial arts are laughable |
| 18:07.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Lots of posturing. Little actual combat effectiveness. |
| 18:07.39 | mgeary | (from a safe distance) |
| 18:40.47 | mgeary | anyone here use FunnelWeb to analyze apache logs? |
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| 20:23.16 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
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| 20:38.43 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/images/steve_koolaid2.jpg - A more accurate photo never has been shopped. |
| 20:39.20 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: Amen to that... |
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| 20:42.55 | beandog_ | lol |
| 20:42.59 | beandog_ | thats great. |
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| 21:06.36 | optikal | How would one push onto the beginning of an array, not the end (like array_push)? |
| 21:06.54 | mgeary | unshift, or maybe shift |
| 21:06.57 | jsmith | array_unshift |
| 21:07.00 | mgeary | i always forget. but it's one of those |
| 21:07.01 | mgeary | yeah |
| 21:07.19 | optikal | Perfect, knew it had to be somewhere |
| 21:22.54 | _psychic_ | ~phit dataw0lf |
| 21:22.55 | jbot | ACTION wiggles his fingers dataw0lf's direction. You now have a strong conviction that thebigdog isn't so big. |
| 21:23.59 | dataw0lf | 00605f |
| 21:24.02 | dataw0lf | remember that hex |
| 21:24.04 | dataw0lf | thanks |
| 21:26.29 | Lone_Wanderer | body { font-family: Arial, sans-serif; } - why isn't this making all my text Arial or at least sans serif? |
| 21:27.18 | mgeary | LW: you're on a Mac, no? |
| 21:27.38 | Lone_Wanderer | yes |
| 21:27.46 | mgeary | WebKit has an *amazing* css/styles inspector. http://webkit.org/ |
| 21:28.03 | mgeary | you can right-click ANYthing on a page, and "Inspect Element" and it will tell you ALL the css that is play on that item |
| 21:28.14 | mgeary | it's super useful for CSS debugging |
| 21:28.23 | mgeary | and it's faster than Safari |
| 21:28.24 | Lone_Wanderer | okay, cool |
| 21:28.30 | dataw0lf | isn't that what firebug and web dev addons for Firefox is? |
| 21:28.38 | mgeary | not as good |
| 21:28.42 | mgeary | seriously, not as good |
| 21:28.44 | Lone_Wanderer | but that doesn't tell me why the font-family attribute isn't being applied to my text |
| 21:29.02 | bradym | is your text in a table? |
| 21:29.05 | Lone_Wanderer | nope |
| 21:29.11 | Lone_Wanderer | it is inside other things though |
| 21:29.11 | bradym | or a class that's being over-ridden? |
| 21:29.16 | Lone_Wanderer | shouldn't be |
| 21:29.23 | Lone_Wanderer | unless color will override it |
| 21:29.36 | Lone_Wanderer | or text-decoration, which seems odd |
| 21:30.14 | bradym | no, they won't.. assuming you're not inheriting something from elsewhere.. definitely time for a firebug inspection :) |
| 21:30.21 | mgeary | i'm tellin' ya. view the page in WebKit, and right-click on the text in question... |
| 21:30.54 | dataw0lf | firebug ftw |
| 21:31.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Which will tell me that the thing in question is not being applied, which I already know, innit? |
| 21:31.20 | mgeary | it will tell you where the styles are coming from |
| 21:31.21 | Lone_Wanderer | Fine, I'll utilize technology to make my job easier. GEEZ! |
| 21:31.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Twist my arm why don't you. |
| 21:32.11 | bradym | I don't have a Mac so I've never tried webkit, but firebug is awesome |
| 21:32.15 | _psychic_ | fb is the bomb |
| 21:32.22 | _psychic_ | for any front end work |
| 21:33.00 | mgeary | concedes |
| 22:11.57 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay. It has been installed. |
| 22:12.26 | Lone_Wanderer | And lo and behold, it still has not shed light on the problem. |
| 22:13.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Although, honestly, this is a cool program. |
| 22:13.30 | bradym | got some sample code or a link? |
| 22:14.16 | Lone_Wanderer | one sec |
| 22:14.43 | Lone_Wanderer | not sure if it's accessible to the outside world |
| 22:16.05 | Lone_Wanderer | in pm. look at the CSS and the HTML, there's nothing in either of them that should override the font-family. |
| 22:17.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Meanwhile I'm going to be flooding my system with painkillers. Thank you ibuprofen. |
| 22:26.28 | Utah_Dave | I want to append an array to another array. Is array_merge what I'm looking for? |
| 22:26.50 | bradym | Lone_Wanderer: it seems that inheritance doesn't work as you're expecting when using the id as selector method.. if you specify a class it works fine.. not sure why though |
| 22:27.12 | Lone_Wanderer | weird |
| 22:29.05 | bradym | Utah_Dave: yeah.. that'll take two arrays and return one |
| 22:29.36 | Utah_Dave | thanks, bradym. I justed tested it and it did work like I was hoping |
| 22:33.52 | Lone_Wanderer | bradym: It's inheriting from the body though, which isn't a class or an id... |
| 22:34.57 | mgeary | LW: i'll take a look, if you want to PM me |
| 22:35.01 | bradym | if it were inheriting from body it would be showing the text in the proper font.. |
| 22:41.34 | dataw0lf | pm me the link LW |
| 22:41.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Ben found it. |
| 22:42.03 | Lone_Wanderer | bradym: there was no ; after the rule before the font-family. |
| 22:42.23 | bradym | lol |
| 22:42.27 | bradym | i hate crap like that |
| 22:42.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Me too. |
| 22:42.42 | bradym | mainly cause i do it so often ;) |
| 22:42.57 | dataw0lf | how do you guys like the new logo on my site? |
| 22:43.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it a liger? |
| 22:43.08 | macnewbold | sux |
| 22:43.18 | dataw0lf | I hate you mac |
| 22:43.23 | Lone_Wanderer | liger was better |
| 22:43.26 | Lone_Wanderer | mo betta |
| 22:43.32 | dataw0lf | mobetta? |
| 22:43.38 | Lone_Wanderer | ja |
| 22:43.43 | dataw0lf | hmph |
| 22:43.56 | macnewbold | I was just kidding, dw, I haven't even looked |
| 22:44.00 | dataw0lf | I hate you mac. |
| 22:44.02 | macnewbold | but if it is a liger, then you rox |
| 22:44.02 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 22:44.07 | dataw0lf | it's not a liger anymore... |
| 22:44.18 | Lone_Wanderer | It's a brain that's half computer. |
| 22:44.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Right? amirite? |
| 22:44.30 | dataw0lf | urrite |
| 22:44.48 | Lone_Wanderer | That's better than "urinate", which is what I thought you said at first. |
| 22:45.11 | dataw0lf | no doubt, no doubt |
| 22:45.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh hey DW, I was going to tell you something the other day but now I forgot what it was. |
| 22:45.31 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm sure you're glad I let you know about that. |
| 22:45.40 | dataw0lf | thanks LW |
| 22:45.52 | dataw0lf | I really appreciate you letting me know. |
| 22:45.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh! The girl. You remember the one? |
| 22:46.01 | dataw0lf | </something sarcastic but I'm too tired> |
| 22:46.17 | dataw0lf | the one that's dating a jerk? |
| 22:46.20 | Lone_Wanderer | Her boyfriend left her, and so now I need you to go either knock him off, or destroy his car. |
| 22:46.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. That one. |
| 22:46.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Her response, predictably, is "What did I do wrong?" and "Maybe he'll change his mind." |
| 22:47.07 | Lone_Wanderer | I would do it myself, but it would be too obvious. |
| 22:47.07 | dataw0lf | hmmm, texas you said? |
| 22:47.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. |
| 22:48.08 | Lone_Wanderer | For some reason, you remind me of the non-narrator main character from JDATE. |
| 22:48.23 | dataw0lf | what the hell is jdate |
| 22:48.35 | Lone_Wanderer | John Dies At The End. Oh, his name is John. You remind me of him. |
| 22:49.23 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.johndiesattheend.com/a.html for your reading pleasure |
| 23:02.04 | *** part/#uphpu bradym (n=bradym@bradym.agsci.usu.edu) |
| 23:05.48 | optikal | Anyone have a clue how to get this float to not push down if the 'left' class extends past the boundary of right? They're both floated, and z-index's don't help. http://209.253.35.20/htmltest.html |
| 23:06.22 | macnewbold | optikal: just use a table |
| 23:06.23 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 23:07.05 | mgeary | i agree with macnewbold. if you've got to do 3 times the work just so your HTML doesn't use tables for layout, well, how is that supposed to be clever? I'm all for css usage, but floats bite |
| 23:07.54 | mgeary | optikal: have you tried playing with the "display" property? Setting it to "display:inline" ? |
| 23:08.02 | optikal | mgeary: Yup. |
| 23:08.03 | optikal | =/ |
| 23:08.26 | mgeary | jbot: css floats are the work of the devil |
| 23:08.28 | jbot | mgeary: okay |
| 23:08.42 | Lone_Wanderer | ~css floats |
| 23:08.44 | jbot | css floats are the work of the devil |
| 23:08.51 | mgeary | wahoo |
| 23:08.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Cool, I didn't know you could put a space in there. |
| 23:09.05 | optikal | macnewbold: haha yeah, that'd work.. but no thanks. |
| 23:09.08 | dataw0lf | optikal: try making the right one non-float |
| 23:09.16 | optikal | I'm a stickler for semantics |
| 23:09.44 | mgeary | optikal: see "3x work" comment above ;) |
| 23:10.22 | optikal | mgeary: FYI, CSS saves me usually 20x the work over tables. |
| 23:10.37 | mgeary | agreed. when you're doing things that css does well |
| 23:10.41 | optikal | stupid little things like this, sure.. can cause little hurdles, but in the long run your page is smaller in size, marked up much better, and is far more accessible. |
| 23:10.46 | mgeary | but floats are a bad solution to a very common problem |
| 23:10.58 | mgeary | i'm not arguing against css |
| 23:11.13 | mgeary | i'm arguing against having to use floats to try to do awkwardly what tables do very quickly and easily |
| 23:11.23 | mgeary | i *wish* there was a way to do it with CSS |
| 23:11.28 | mgeary | believe me, i do |
| 23:11.29 | optikal | I'm just saying.. I'm not one to go grab the duct tape to fix something when the right solution is around me, I just have to find the right combination. |
| 23:11.50 | mgeary | ~fishslap some sense into optikal |
| 23:11.52 | jbot | ACTION slaps some sense into optikal up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 23:11.58 | mgeary | sweet |
| 23:12.04 | mgeary | that was awesome |
| 23:12.07 | mgeary | that made my day |
| 23:12.17 | optikal | No senses needed, I don't cut corners. :) |
| 23:12.20 | optikal | *sense |
| 23:12.38 | optikal | And I considering using a table for such 'cutting corners.' |
| 23:13.00 | dataw0lf | that's a shame |
| 23:13.09 | optikal | dataw0lf: I'm actually likely going to take up the opposite route, not floating the left so it will just wrap the text and not the container. |
| 23:18.52 | *** join/#uphpu bradym (n=bradym@bradym.agsci.usu.edu) |
| 23:22.55 | bradym | ugh.. windows has decided that my DVD burner is a cd drive... i hate windows |
| 23:24.00 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:24.04 | macnewbold | ~lart windows |
| 23:24.06 | macnewbold | ~zippy |
| 23:24.11 | mgeary | windows-- |
| 23:24.15 | bradym | ~destroy windows |
| 23:24.17 | jbot | no |
| 23:24.25 | bradym | stupid jbot |
| 23:24.26 | mgeary | oh sure |
| 23:24.27 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart my ear for inflicting pain upon me repeatedly |
| 23:24.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Someone needs to program jbot to replace "my" with the person's name. |
| 23:25.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Or just create a ~lartmy |
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| 23:42.05 | mgeary | so, i've been working on this MySQL database structure comparer class.... |
| 23:42.53 | mgeary | does anyone have good experiences with elegant and surgical solutions to reconcile two DB instances? |
| 23:43.15 | mgeary | mine has promise, i think, but it's still preliminary |
| 23:43.40 | macnewbold | do a mysqldump of both, run sdiff or merge on them |
| 23:44.12 | mgeary | yeah. but i'm not crazy about that |
| 23:44.47 | mgeary | what i'm building alerts you to structural differences and allows you to surgically (key word, there) change one or the other instance to match |
| 23:44.47 | timinator | I'm having a brain fart... what's the function to report *all* errors? |
| 23:46.46 | mgeary | in the config file, or with ini_set(), you can do error_reporting(E_ALL) |
| 23:46.51 | mgeary | uh |
| 23:47.02 | mgeary | i mean, you can either call: error_reporting(E_ALL) |
| 23:47.16 | mgeary | or do an ini_set or a config file change of error_reporting = E_ALL |
| 23:50.47 | thebigdog | congradulations to everyone...we have been active for 3 years +- 1yr |
| 23:51.31 | thebigdog | macnewbold, whatever happend to the framework you guys were working on? |
| 23:51.42 | Lone_Wanderer | last summer? |
| 23:51.58 | thebigdog | sure, phlyte or something |
| 23:52.06 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh, phlyte |
| 23:52.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I think one of the Wright brothers took it over and did it on their own. |
| 23:52.26 | synic | both the Wright brothers code? |
| 23:52.40 | mgeary | Jac and Tyler? Yeah, they're bright guys |
| 23:52.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, they both do. |
| 23:53.12 | thebigdog | ~wake macnewbold |
| 23:53.17 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on macnewbold and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 23:53.17 | synic | wow. Heh, you wouldn't have thought that's where they were going in highschool |
| 23:53.23 | thebigdog | that boy is always messsing around |
| 23:53.40 | Lone_Wanderer | lol, what were they like in high school? |
| 23:54.01 | synic | well, I just don't remember them nerding it up as much as some of us were |
| 23:54.17 | synic | I'd sometimes skip class so I could work on my webpage |
| 23:54.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Did your teachers ever tell you that if you wanted a decent job you'd have to do better in class than you were? |
| 23:55.01 | synic | no. They did, however, tell me that I needed to start going to class or I was going to get suspended :P |
| 23:55.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Thereby adding irony to the situation which we can now appreciate and chuckle over, but which at the time was, according to your parents, a very real problem? |
| 23:55.46 | synic | hehe, yeah. I'm absolutely sure that I'm payed a lot more than my dad did when he was my age |
| 23:56.14 | synic | I think it kind of pisses him off :) |
| 23:57.23 | Lone_Wanderer | I'd be proud. |
| 23:58.42 | mgeary | yeah, dads are proud when their kids do better than they did |
| 23:58.57 | synic | I think he's actually proud. He just likes to put up a front. |
