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| 15:04.58 | dataw0lf | ok, so I swear this is my last design for a while |
| 15:05.02 | dataw0lf | http://stderr.ws/ |
| 15:05.22 | dataw0lf | any opinions? |
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| 15:07.28 | dataw0lf | wps: http://stderr.ws/ any opinions on the design? |
| 15:10.04 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Green on Green in the sample code is hard to read. I'd rather see it green on black. |
| 15:10.17 | dataw0lf | green on black? |
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| 15:11.50 | wps | agreed |
| 15:12.01 | wps | the code block is too commanding in my opinion as well |
| 15:12.17 | wps | it is almost more of a focus then the navigation and the headlines |
| 15:12.41 | wps | I would also set your headlines and date strings in a different font (from each other) |
| 15:13.42 | wps | it is also hard to read columns that wide; I would recommend decreasing the width by at least a third |
| 15:14.00 | wps | (hard for the eye to track a line that far) |
| 15:15.11 | dataw0lf | pre tag look better? |
| 15:15.32 | dataw0lf | lighter green? |
| 15:15.49 | wps | yes |
| 15:16.24 | wps | I still feel that the code block is too commanding, but depending on what your site/blog is about, it might be what you're looking for… as green on black is traditional code/hacker-looking |
| 15:18.22 | dataw0lf | perhaps a slightly lighter dark tone |
| 15:18.55 | timinator | I'd use a white text on a medium gray background |
| 15:19.13 | wps | that's probably what I'd try as well |
| 15:19.27 | dataw0lf | check that out |
| 15:19.55 | dataw0lf | slightly lighter bg? |
| 15:20.05 | dataw0lf | no border? |
| 15:20.15 | dataw0lf | border could be pulling your eye even more, I guess |
| 15:20.20 | wps | no border |
| 15:20.33 | dataw0lf | k, done |
| 15:21.07 | timinator | I dig it |
| 15:21.44 | wps | I'd remove the left margin from the code block |
| 15:22.01 | wps | so that it's left edge aligns with the left edge of your header and text |
| 15:24.47 | dataw0lf | tada |
| 15:25.04 | wps | I like that a lot better |
| 15:25.14 | dataw0lf | you guys rock, any more suggestions? |
| 15:25.34 | dataw0lf | now I need to draw a liger in ms paint for the header |
| 15:25.44 | timinator | LMAO |
| 15:25.44 | dataw0lf | how do I do transparency in ms paint? |
| 15:25.48 | wps | try the code text white |
| 15:25.53 | timinator | good luck with that |
| 15:25.54 | dataw0lf | k |
| 15:26.20 | dataw0lf | wps: done |
| 15:26.48 | wps | I like that better, personally (as timinator suggested) |
| 15:26.56 | dataw0lf | k |
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| 15:40.01 | dataw0lf | fear the mighty liger |
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| 15:56.00 | dataw0lf | http://www.honeynet.org/papers/webapp/index.html |
| 15:56.15 | dataw0lf | thebigdog / beandog: http://stderr.ws/ like the design or nay? |
| 15:56.49 | thebigdog | yeah very simple |
| 15:57.12 | dataw0lf | wps: can we submit articles still? |
| 15:58.43 | dataw0lf | (to uphpu.org) |
| 15:58.48 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: word, no advice? |
| 16:03.31 | dataw0lf | wps: nevermind |
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| 16:16.02 | dataw0lf | wps: submitted an article to uphpu, plz consider for inclusion |
| 16:19.44 | thebigdog | dataw0lf when you get some real data in there let me know |
| 16:19.58 | wps | done |
| 16:20.40 | thebigdog | dataw0lf but i love the domain name |
| 16:21.08 | thebigdog | dataw0lf perhaps another color with all the green |
| 16:21.35 | dataw0lf | I dunno, I kinda like the green. |
| 16:21.53 | dataw0lf | and then, right there in the upper left hand corner, BAM, orange liger. |
| 16:22.01 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 16:22.25 | thebigdog | perhaps use some of the color from the liger in the page too |
| 16:22.30 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 16:22.32 | thebigdog | to accentuate some parts |
| 16:22.32 | dataw0lf | was considering that |
| 16:22.37 | thebigdog | like headers |
| 16:22.44 | dataw0lf | perhaps orange for the stderr | date part |
| 16:23.22 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 16:23.42 | dataw0lf | hm, I dunno |
| 16:23.45 | dataw0lf | check it out |
| 16:23.58 | dataw0lf | perhaps italics? |
| 16:24.04 | wps | eek… no italics |
| 16:24.07 | thebigdog | that looks good |
| 16:24.17 | dataw0lf | smaller font? |
| 16:24.18 | thebigdog | maybe darker |
| 16:24.25 | thebigdog | sure |
| 16:24.53 | dataw0lf | check it |
| 16:25.03 | thebigdog | that is nice |
| 16:25.36 | thebigdog | not sure about the navigation though |
| 16:26.00 | dataw0lf | got it |
| 16:26.11 | dataw0lf | what about blog titles, green or black? |
| 16:26.19 | thebigdog | i like the black |
| 16:26.22 | dataw0lf | k |
| 16:26.35 | thebigdog | dark green might be good |
| 16:27.06 | thebigdog | takes a few to load 3.516s |
| 16:27.23 | thebigdog | perhaps it is the images |
| 16:28.56 | thebigdog | weird liger loads faster then the notables images |
| 16:29.13 | dataw0lf | it's django, most likely ,I have it in dev mode |
| 16:29.20 | thebigdog | oh |
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| 17:04.11 | mgeary | morning |
| 17:04.35 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: there, some real content added |
| 17:05.01 | thebigdog | dataw0lf that looks great |
| 17:05.10 | dataw0lf | sweet |
| 17:05.35 | thebigdog | i feel like im running through the forrest and bam! liger |
| 17:05.44 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 17:05.44 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 17:05.47 | dataw0lf | he POUNCES |
| 17:05.58 | dataw0lf | I should have a 'POUNCE!' alt in there, eine moment |
| 17:07.44 | dataw0lf | err, rather, title attribute |
| 17:07.53 | dataw0lf | sweet |
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| 17:09.52 | _psychic_ | meee meee meee |
| 17:11.23 | _psychic_ | Anyone need a job? |
| 17:12.17 | macnewbold | are you looking to fill a position? |
| 17:12.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I know someone who needs a job, but there's a good reason for that. |
| 17:12.43 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: yes |
| 17:12.45 | mgeary | i do too |
| 17:12.52 | mgeary | know someone, that is |
| 17:13.03 | _psychic_ | We need a good programmer |
| 17:13.11 | thebigdog | what is the salary range? |
| 17:13.12 | mgeary | if anyone's got an entry-to-mid-level developer position, i've got someone who needs one |
| 17:13.13 | _psychic_ | So I'm looking to find someone. |
| 17:13.25 | _psychic_ | mgeary: I do |
| 17:13.55 | _psychic_ | thebigdog: I dunno 40 ish, I guess. Mostly depends on experience. We're looking for someone who's newer, but we're open to anyone. |
| 17:13.57 | mgeary | _psychic_: can you email me details and/or a contact person? michael@gearyweb.com |
| 17:14.10 | mgeary | _psychic_: that sounds perfect for my guy |
| 17:14.14 | mgeary | it's my bro-in-law |
| 17:14.31 | mgeary | _psychic_: where's it located? |
| 17:15.28 | _psychic_ | The booming metropolis we all know as Orem, UT |
| 17:15.37 | mgeary | that's completely perfect |
| 17:15.41 | _psychic_ | mgeary: have him send his resume to jobs at mediarain - com |
| 17:15.43 | dataw0lf | Alright, so I've finally decided between Turbogears and Django |
| 17:15.48 | mgeary | heeeeyyyy |
| 17:15.49 | dataw0lf | Django ftw! |
| 17:15.56 | mgeary | _psychic_: who are you?? |
| 17:16.01 | Lone_Wanderer | Django > * |
| 17:16.04 | mgeary | i was just bugging Tyler about this guy, and he didn't bite |
| 17:16.10 | _psychic_ | mgeary: I'm batman. |
| 17:16.16 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: I dunno, TurboGears is pretty swell |
| 17:16.31 | Lone_Wanderer | But it is still less than Django. |
| 17:16.41 | _psychic_ | mgeary: Tyler is more on the Flash side of things, so I dunno. |
| 17:16.45 | dataw0lf | except for the templating system |
| 17:16.50 | dataw0lf | I prefer TurboGears templating system |
| 17:16.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Django is number one. All others are number two. Or lower. |
| 17:17.02 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Have you seen my new site design? |
| 17:17.06 | Lone_Wanderer | nope |
| 17:17.10 | dataw0lf | stderr.ws/ |
| 17:17.12 | dataw0lf | comments plz |
| 17:18.40 | mgeary | http://www.stderr.ws/dump/ |
| 17:18.42 | mgeary | 404 |
| 17:18.46 | dataw0lf | ya, I know |
| 17:18.55 | dataw0lf | I haven't added the views for those apps yet |
| 17:18.59 | Lone_Wanderer | It's green. |
| 17:19.01 | dataw0lf | just working on the template |
| 17:19.04 | mgeary | that's a dang nice cat though |
| 17:19.08 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 17:19.13 | dataw0lf | drew it in like, 2 minutes this morning |
| 17:19.49 | _psychic_ | is postgres really a notable? |
| 17:19.52 | Lone_Wanderer | lol, I vote you keep the cat. |
| 17:20.09 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: dude, you have to view it like bigdog did |
| 17:20.13 | dataw0lf | you're walking through the forest |
| 17:20.16 | dataw0lf | and then |
| 17:20.17 | dataw0lf | BOOM |
| 17:20.21 | dataw0lf | you're pounced upon by a liger |
| 17:20.31 | _psychic_ | maybe make the header div a different color? |
| 17:20.53 | dataw0lf | I've played with that, but it kinda ruins the flow |
| 17:21.10 | _psychic_ | I just wonder if it should be different than the post sections, but no biggie |
| 17:21.10 | Lone_Wanderer | You can't just make it a smidgen darker? |
| 17:21.14 | _psychic_ | it looks clean |
| 17:21.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, there's not a lot of extraneous junk. |
| 17:21.27 | dataw0lf | *cough* validates *cough* |
| 17:21.40 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: And despite my defense of tables in layouts, I hardly ever use em, so there |
| 17:22.06 | dataw0lf | son, you can't HANDLE the source! |
| 17:22.16 | _psychic_ | puhleeze |
| 17:22.39 | _psychic_ | nice and clean |
| 17:23.12 | dataw0lf | all you gotta do is click my w3c css and xhtml links, sir |
| 17:23.20 | _psychic_ | mgeary: have your friend send us his info - do you know how much experience he has? |
| 17:23.31 | mgeary | the info has been sent |
| 17:23.38 | _psychic_ | thx |
| 17:24.06 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: Just what I did. So handy. |
| 17:24.08 | mgeary | _psychic_: he worked for Candesa in development for a while, but then took a detour into marketing when the boom hit, so he's looking to re-enter the industry now. |
| 17:24.26 | _psychic_ | as a programmer? |
| 17:24.42 | mgeary | so his r@d skillz are a bit rusty, but he's been doing freelance PHP/HTML/CSS for a while |
| 17:24.44 | dataw0lf | Candera or Candesa? |
| 17:24.49 | mgeary | Candesa |
| 17:24.52 | _psychic_ | Caldera? |
| 17:24.59 | mgeary | read my lips |
| 17:25.30 | _psychic_ | Whoa their site sucks |
| 17:25.40 | _psychic_ | mystery meat navigation AND a flash intro |
| 17:25.51 | Lone_Wanderer | mystery meat navigation? |
| 17:26.03 | _psychic_ | you have to mouse over it or click it to know what it does |
| 17:26.15 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 17:26.22 | *** topic/#UPHPU by wps -> Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 17:26.33 | _psychic_ | Lone_Wanderer: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Meat_Navigation |
| 17:26.42 | dataw0lf | this is why I'm so mean |
| 17:27.47 | _psychic_ | Flash sites are especially susceptible to mystery meat navigation |
| 17:29.13 | Lone_Wanderer | ping timinator |
| 17:30.21 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer / mgeary: you guys on the Django mailing list? |
| 17:30.27 | mgeary | nope |
| 17:30.28 | dataw0lf | or rather, the 'Google Group' |
| 17:30.34 | dataw0lf | it's pretty nice, you should sign up |
| 17:30.37 | timinator | Lone_Wanderer: pong |
| 17:30.37 | mgeary | i can't keep up with mailing lists |
| 17:30.49 | Lone_Wanderer | I was but I never read it, DW |
| 17:31.26 | timinator | BD: what's wrong w/ mystery meat? |
| 17:31.47 | mgeary | mmmmmm. Strawberry Twizzlers..... |
| 17:31.55 | _psychic_ | ~wiki mystery meat |
| 17:32.03 | wps | ah… Twizzlers are nasty |
| 17:32.23 | _psychic_ | twizzlers++ redvines-- |
| 17:32.27 | Lone_Wanderer | timinator: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6390755.stm |
| 17:32.54 | wps | no way man |
| 17:32.54 | mgeary | redvines------ |
| 17:33.22 | dataw0lf | twizzlers++ redvines++ |
| 17:33.28 | wps | twizzlers aren't even licorice |
| 17:33.28 | wps | twizzlers are plastic |
| 17:33.29 | mgeary | dude, you're supposed to keep them sealed until you eat them |
| 17:33.35 | _psychic_ | while(1) {$redvines--;} |
| 17:33.37 | dataw0lf | redvines++++++++ |
| 17:33.37 | dataw0lf | redvines++ |
| 17:33.37 | dataw0lf | ~karma redvines |
| 17:33.37 | jbot | redvines has neutral karma |
| 17:33.38 | dataw0lf | boo, hiss |
| 17:33.38 | dataw0lf | ~karma dataw0lf |
| 17:33.39 | jbot | dataw0lf has karma of 3 |
| 17:33.52 | _psychic_ | redvines__ |
| 17:33.55 | _psychic_ | ~redvines-- |
| 17:34.11 | dataw0lf | ~_psychic_-- |
| 17:34.36 | thebigdog | ~karma timinator |
| 17:34.36 | jbot | timinator has neutral karma |
| 17:34.39 | thebigdog | lol |
| 17:34.46 | dataw0lf | ~thebigdog |
| 17:34.47 | jbot | thebigdog is, like, a guroob, or the sql guru |
| 17:34.48 | _psychic_ | A brother offers constructive criticism, on his own time mind you, and what does he get in return? |
| 17:35.10 | dataw0lf | ~karma thebigdog |
| 17:35.10 | jbot | thebigdog has neutral karma |
| 17:35.41 | thebigdog | ~karma thebigdog |
| 17:35.41 | jbot | thebigdog has neutral karma |
| 17:36.01 | _psychic_ | ~karma _psychic_ |
| 17:36.01 | jbot | _psychic_ has neutral karma |
| 17:36.06 | _psychic_ | ~overload |
| 17:36.08 | jbot | well, overload is overload |
| 17:36.11 | thebigdog | im karma free |
| 17:36.12 | thebigdog | thebigdog++ |
| 17:36.13 | thebigdog | thebigdog++ |
| 17:36.13 | thebigdog | ~karma thebigdog |
| 17:36.13 | jbot | thebigdog has neutral karma |
| 17:36.14 | thebigdog | :( i lost my karma |
| 17:36.20 | dataw0lf | ha |
| 17:36.20 | dataw0lf | thebigdog has no karma |
| 17:36.20 | dataw0lf | NOT EVEN NEUTRAL KARMA |
| 17:36.20 | dataw0lf | hmmm |
| 17:36.21 | dataw0lf | that sounds like something I need. |
| 17:36.21 | timinator | Lone_Wanderer: did you see this: |
| 17:36.21 | timinator | http://www.ksl.com/index.php?sid=888784&nid=148 |
| 17:37.05 | thebigdog | lol |
| 17:37.05 | dataw0lf | ~thebigdog-- |
| 17:37.08 | timinator | that shooter was a muslum |
| 17:37.08 | dataw0lf | ~karma thebigdog |
| 17:37.08 | jbot | thebigdog has karma of -1 |
| 17:37.08 | mgeary | ~karma jbot |
| 17:37.08 | jbot | jbot has karma of 6 |
| 17:37.08 | Lone_Wanderer | timinator: no but I will now. |
| 17:37.11 | timinator | BBC and CNN won't tell you that |
| 17:37.11 | dataw0lf | timinator: OMG TERRORISTS |
| 17:37.57 | Lone_Wanderer | timinator: I'm sorry, what does this have to do with the situation in the middle east? |
| 17:37.57 | thebigdog | ty dataw0lf |
| 17:38.03 | Lone_Wanderer | it's a bit of a non sequitur, isn't it? |
| 17:38.11 | dataw0lf | timinator: And Ron and Dan Lafferty were mormons |
| 17:38.12 | dataw0lf | so what |
| 17:38.15 | dataw0lf | they killed a baby too |
| 17:38.30 | Lone_Wanderer | Marianne Biancuzzo was a Catholic. |
| 17:38.33 | dataw0lf | completely, utterly non sequitor |
| 17:38.43 | dataw0lf | Manson was a ... well, jeez, I think he was a Mansonite or something |
| 17:38.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Timothy McVeigh was a... I don't know, what was he? |
| 17:38.49 | dataw0lf | christian |
| 17:38.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Libertarian? |
| 17:39.02 | dataw0lf | LIBERATOR...! |
| 17:39.03 | dataw0lf | >_> |
| 17:39.04 | dataw0lf | <_< |
| 17:39.27 | dataw0lf | you kids and your fallacious arguments. |
| 17:39.39 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, they are fundamentalist mormons...big difference |
| 17:39.46 | dataw0lf | well... |
| 17:39.47 | dataw0lf | I mean... |
| 17:40.05 | dataw0lf | they followed Smith's and Young's teachings a bit more strictly, didn't they? |
| 17:40.08 | dataw0lf | I mean.. |
| 17:40.14 | dataw0lf | polygamy and all that |
| 17:40.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Try telling timinator that a terrorist is a "fundamentalist" Muslim and that it makes a big difference. |
| 17:40.21 | Lone_Wanderer | See how much difference it makes. |
| 17:40.27 | dataw0lf | the thing is |
| 17:40.33 | thebigdog | dataw0lf that is the break between it all |
| 17:40.37 | dataw0lf | Islam IS a religion of violence |
| 17:40.42 | dataw0lf | moreso than a lot of religions |
| 17:40.47 | timinator | yes |
| 17:40.58 | dataw0lf | but you're just feeding into the smoke screen when you say "OMG HE WAS A MUSLIM" |
| 17:41.09 | dataw0lf | and he wasn't a terrorist |
| 17:41.30 | dataw0lf | however, on the other hand, most religions are violent to some degree. |
| 17:41.39 | dataw0lf | Islam just takes it to new levels |
| 17:41.54 | mgeary | dataw0lf: correction: most followers of religions are violent to some degree |
| 17:41.54 | dataw0lf | the problem is that we've declared war on an ideology |
| 17:42.02 | dataw0lf | mgeary: No, no, no. |
| 17:42.05 | timinator | and what boggles my mind is how people are quick to excuse Muslums and they're overly violent beliefs/actions, and just as quick to condemn Christians. |
| 17:42.05 | dataw0lf | read the old testament |
| 17:42.06 | thebigdog | as my boss put it...he is not muslim, not a gunman, but a murderer |
| 17:42.09 | dataw0lf | man that's some violent stuff |
| 17:42.16 | Lone_Wanderer | While undoubtedly he caused terror to people, he didn't do it with the typical middle eastern terrorist agenda. There was no message to the shooting - he didn't leave any notes saying "This is for Palestine" or anything. |
| 17:42.20 | dataw0lf | timinator: I condemn them both |
| 17:42.26 | dataw0lf | islam moreso than others |
| 17:42.44 | timinator | then you're in the wrong country.... we're founded on Christianity |
| 17:42.44 | dataw0lf | but I'm not about to make some vague connection between what happened in trolley square and our notion of the war on terrorism |
| 17:42.51 | dataw0lf | I'm in the wrong country? |
| 17:42.53 | Lone_Wanderer | No, actually, we're not. |
| 17:42.55 | dataw0lf | say that again dude |
| 17:43.03 | dataw0lf | I'm about as patriotic as they come |
| 17:43.08 | dataw0lf | so don't tell me I'm in the wrong country |
| 17:43.14 | timinator | I agree about that |
| 17:43.32 | Lone_Wanderer | The Founding Fathers were, if not atheists, at the very most deists. Certainly not Christians. |
| 17:43.48 | dataw0lf | well, our country is religious |
| 17:43.53 | timinator | where are you getting your info LW? that's absurd |
| 17:43.54 | dataw0lf | that's what the republicans figured out and exploited it |
| 17:44.01 | Lone_Wanderer | If you'd like I can go out to my car and get the book I've got on the subject, which includes several quotes from various founding fathers on the subject. |
| 17:44.04 | dataw0lf | however, our founding fathers were fairly open minded |
| 17:44.08 | Lone_Wanderer | From the founding fathers themselves. |
| 17:44.08 | dataw0lf | thus separation of church and state |
| 17:44.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Or you can just look it up on wikipedia. |
| 17:44.44 | _psychic_ | we were founded on freedom of religion |
| 17:44.45 | dataw0lf | Thomas Jefferson... |
| 17:44.48 | _psychic_ | not christianity |
| 17:44.51 | dataw0lf | Benjamin Franklin.. |
| 17:44.54 | dataw0lf | etc |
| 17:45.02 | Lone_Wanderer | They talked a lot about religion and God, which some people have later interpreted with a Christian bias. |
| 17:45.06 | dataw0lf | well, it's a line to draw, but I think, really, we were founded on freedom FOR religion |
| 17:45.18 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: They were just appealing to the standard at the time |
| 17:45.30 | dataw0lf | it's fairly explanatory in their letters betwixt themselves |
| 17:45.36 | dataw0lf | especially Jefferson's |
| 17:45.46 | _psychic_ | I think our nation has christian roots - but that's culture more than legislative philosophy |
| 17:45.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Thomas Jefferson was great about that. |
| 17:46.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Sure, culturally, the US is one big Southern Baptist revival. |
| 17:46.11 | dataw0lf | either way, this whole 'omg we're a christian nation let's rush in to a holy war' is laughable |
| 17:46.21 | dataw0lf | if you just look at it pragmatically, fighting an ideology has never worked |
| 17:46.34 | dataw0lf | and it's completely alienated rights that we've guaranteed captives of combat |
| 17:46.38 | _psychic_ | because you can never define an ideology |
| 17:46.43 | dataw0lf | thus feeding into the whole torture thing |
| 17:47.03 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: right, and that's why we got guys who're vaguely suspected of violent islamic action in guantanamo bay |
| 17:47.08 | dataw0lf | that's ridiculous |
| 17:47.11 | _psychic_ | agreed. |
| 17:47.31 | dataw0lf | and since we aren't warring a country, Bush and cronies have found a pseudo loophole to allow torture on captives |
| 17:47.43 | dataw0lf | we're toeing an EXTREMELY dangerous line |
| 17:47.55 | dataw0lf | loss of habeas corpus and all that |
| 17:47.59 | _psychic_ | kinda reminiscent of the red scare |
| 17:48.18 | dataw0lf | oh, it's very reminiscent of the red scare |
| 17:48.31 | dataw0lf | but the one difference is, that this is EXTREMELY religious in nature |
| 17:48.37 | _psychic_ | or the salem witch trials |
| 17:48.42 | dataw0lf | so now we have a guy who believes in the rapture with his finger on the button |
| 17:48.50 | dataw0lf | it sends shutters down my spine |
| 17:48.53 | dataw0lf | shudders* |
| 17:49.21 | dataw0lf | raaawr |
| 17:49.23 | dataw0lf | raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawr |
| 17:49.28 | _psychic_ | I bet you can fly, actually. |
| 17:49.47 | dataw0lf | jbot, dataw0lf is also a flying stegosaurus |
| 17:49.48 | jbot | dataw0lf: okay |
| 17:49.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Stegosaur-whatevers were herbivores, weren't they? |
| 17:51.12 | dataw0lf | ~dataw0lf |
| 17:51.13 | jbot | [dataw0lf] sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr, or a guy who needs to control his temper, or needs to release his anger, or a flying stegosaurus |
| 17:51.14 | mgeary | Lone_Wanderer: yep |
| 17:51.14 | mgeary | HOOOOOOONNNNNNKKKKKK |
| 17:51.14 | dataw0lf | raaaawr |
| 17:51.49 | dataw0lf | ha |
| 17:51.56 | dataw0lf | who added that temper thing? |
| 17:52.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I did. |
| 17:52.09 | thebigdog | its always been there |
| 17:52.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Your "last thing said" was "I need to control my temper" for several days. |
| 17:52.28 | dataw0lf | raawr |
| 17:52.42 | Lone_Wanderer | dude |
| 17:52.49 | dataw0lf | raaaaaawr |
| 17:53.11 | Lone_Wanderer | you can shoot me, beat me up, pin me, and out-argue me |
| 17:53.13 | _psychic_ | Lone_Wanderer: its *your* fault. Who put the shutters on him?! |
| 17:53.19 | Lone_Wanderer | but you're way too short to stomp on me |
| 17:53.30 | dataw0lf | hmm, I need icons for an online file browser |
| 17:53.31 | dataw0lf | gimme |
| 17:53.33 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: LOL |
| 17:53.34 | dataw0lf | true |
| 17:53.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Now I'm in for it :( |
| 17:54.04 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/ |
| 17:54.04 | dataw0lf | raawr |
| 17:54.32 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: thank you sirrah |
| 17:55.15 | dataw0lf | everyone check out the app I speak of in the newest UPHPU article |
| 17:55.21 | dataw0lf | I'm telling you, you can't live without it. |
| 17:55.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it just me, or is the UPHPU somewhat exceptional in it's activity level and overall awesomeness? |
| 17:56.13 | thebigdog | ~uphpu |
| 17:56.16 | jbot | from memory, uphpu is Utah PHP Users Group | uphpu.org |
| 17:56.22 | _psychic_ | given the gathering here, I don't think that can be rationally argued against. |
| 17:56.26 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: it's not just you, UPHPU is the greatest PHP user group ever. |
| 17:56.27 | timinator | what's the link DW? |
| 17:56.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't have much exposure to other PHP groups, but it seems like we do more stuff than other people |
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| 17:56.51 | dataw0lf | timinator: http://uphpu.org/2007/02/26/owasps-webscarab/ |
| 17:57.05 | dataw0lf | aw jeez it didn't transfer it into a link |
| 17:57.07 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, that is written in java |
| 17:57.14 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: quiet, you. |
| 17:58.13 | Lone_Wanderer | This web design confuses me. |
| 17:58.48 | Lone_Wanderer | It's like half the page is about one thing and the other half is about something else. |
| 17:59.43 | dataw0lf | http://www.owasp.org/index.php/Category:OWASP_WebScarab_Project |
| 17:59.48 | dataw0lf | there's the link |
| 18:00.03 | dataw0lf | I added it as a comment (twice, can't seem to delete the wrong one) |
| 18:02.01 | dataw0lf | mgear: ew |
| 18:02.05 | dataw0lf | I just threw up a little in my mouth |
| 18:02.10 | mgeary | exactly |
| 18:02.13 | dataw0lf | s/mgear/mgeary |
| 18:02.31 | thebigdog | helping people understand that email is 2 different apps is even worse |
| 18:03.03 | Lone_Wanderer | how is it two different apps? |
| 18:03.24 | dataw0lf | I think he means email server versus client |
| 18:03.31 | thebigdog | smtp and imap/pop |
| 18:03.32 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh |
| 18:03.46 | dataw0lf | oh, two different types of protocols |
| 18:03.50 | _psychic_ | that wasn't so bad, thebigdog |
| 18:04.24 | thebigdog | having them trouble shoot it does...when they look at postfix as imap |
| 18:05.22 | thebigdog | all i hear is that i can send but not receive |
| 18:06.52 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: You have now been mentioned on my blog. |
| 18:07.06 | dataw0lf | This is an honor bestowed on few. |
| 18:07.10 | dataw0lf | I usually only reference myself... |
| 18:07.31 | Lone_Wanderer | lol |
| 18:07.40 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm not sure what to make of that, exactly :p |
| 18:08.08 | dataw0lf | Well don't go thinking I have a crush on your anything. |
| 18:08.11 | dataw0lf | s/your/you/ |
| 18:08.13 | dataw0lf | Perv. |
| 18:09.02 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.biggercheese.com/comics/0662.png |
| 18:10.50 | dataw0lf | hahaha |
| 18:11.32 | _psychic_ | sick |
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| 18:21.01 | Lone_Wanderer | gibba gibba hey? |
| 18:21.22 | gibba | sup |
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| 18:22.57 | thebigdog | i swear that jsmith is always out to lunch |
| 18:23.13 | Lone_Wanderer | He's a member of the Holy Order of Lunching Friars. |
| 18:24.13 | mindjuju | i think it's cause now he's Mr. BigTime |
| 18:24.27 | mindjuju | he's been published, doing consulting |
| 18:24.46 | mindjuju | i wouldn't be surprised if he's really doing golf |
| 18:26.25 | thebigdog | i think that might be the case |
| 18:26.30 | thebigdog | golf with the execs |
| 18:26.37 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 18:27.25 | Lone_Wanderer | http://www.earthstar.co.uk/guide.htm - that outlines the Holy Lunching Friars of Voondon quite nicely. |
| 18:33.01 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: how flexible are the django generic views? |
| 18:33.35 | dataw0lf | pretty flexible |
| 18:34.09 | dataw0lf | I really like the url / view combo |
| 18:34.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Not sure how much time I should dump into this, but it does need to be understandable to the client. |
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| 18:48.52 | wps | dataw0lf: I fixed the link in your post |
| 18:49.57 | dataw0lf | wps: thanks dude |
| 18:56.10 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: what's your python/ruby channel again? |
| 18:56.30 | dataw0lf | that hasn't been around forever |
| 18:56.45 | dataw0lf | we could start a new one |
| 18:56.48 | dataw0lf | #uphpu-traitors |
| 18:57.00 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, sounds good |
| 18:57.04 | Lone_Wanderer | or we could just talk about it here :p |
| 18:57.05 | dataw0lf | k eine moment |
| 18:57.14 | dataw0lf | probably would be better if we had a separate channel |
| 18:57.18 | Lone_Wanderer | I've always considered uphpu to be a general purpose web dev list |
| 18:57.21 | Lone_Wanderer | mmkay |
| 18:57.24 | dataw0lf | true |
| 18:57.38 | dataw0lf | anyone have any problems with us discussing Python or Ruby web dev at length in here? |
| 18:58.22 | dataw0lf | mmm, Django 0.96 about to be released |
| 18:59.54 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: have you checked out djangobook.com ? |
| 18:59.58 | Lone_Wanderer | no |
| 19:00.00 | Lone_Wanderer | I should |
| 19:00.05 | dataw0lf | it's pretty awesome |
| 19:00.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Unless my girlfriend wants to do something. She probably will. |
| 19:00.21 | mgeary | #django is very good |
| 19:00.23 | Lone_Wanderer | One of the many drawbacks of dating someone. |
| 19:01.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I love these fruit leather things you can get from Costco, but they're way too small. |
| 19:02.10 | mgeary | yeah, we get those |
| 19:02.13 | mgeary | i like Cherry most |
| 19:02.14 | Lone_Wanderer | .5 ounces per wrapper thingie |
| 19:02.24 | Lone_Wanderer | I need, like... 5 ounces per wrapper thingie. |
| 19:02.35 | mgeary | but after 2 weeks they're a bit tough |
| 19:02.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Even better would be a gigantic roll |
| 19:02.48 | Lone_Wanderer | that I could just eat all day long |
| 19:03.14 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 19:03.23 | Lone_Wanderer | then again, the gastrointestinal repurcussions of such an act would probably be less than satisfactory |
| 19:03.37 | Lone_Wanderer | PM it to me :p |
| 19:03.44 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 19:04.45 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty sure tierra, synic, or eco could easily quote verbatim what I'd say... |
| 19:04.47 | dataw0lf | optikal too |
| 19:05.27 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh, djangobook has come a long way since I checked it last. |
| 19:06.34 | eco | Yeah, you'd say something like: "Stick it in muh bum! Ah-hyuck!" |
| 19:08.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay, so, Django is cool and has a lot of tools to make doing things easy |
| 19:09.16 | Lone_Wanderer | but why doesn't it have a web-based interface on it? |
| 19:09.39 | Lone_Wanderer | most of the things you can do with Django (except writing the actual templates themselves) could be translated to a web front end pretty easily |
| 19:09.52 | Lone_Wanderer | including creating models |
| 19:15.43 | Lone_Wanderer | lunch thyme |
| 19:15.58 | dataw0lf | create one |
| 19:16.12 | dataw0lf | Personally, if you get into deep model and view development, I doubt if a web based system would be sufficient |
| 19:16.18 | dataw0lf | For creating a simple blog, probably, though. |
| 19:16.45 | dataw0lf | My site right now is less than 30 custom lines. |
| 19:16.51 | dataw0lf | and it has an admin interface, etc |
| 19:16.58 | dataw0lf | that's why I love the Django |
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| 19:24.41 | timinator | what's the easiest way to display an integer as currency? (with the commas separating every 3 digits) |
| 19:25.28 | timinator | (ex: 123456789 == 123,456,789) |
| 19:25.28 | dataw0lf | number_format() |
| 19:26.06 | timinator | AH... right |
| 19:26.11 | timinator | thx |
| 19:26.18 | dataw0lf | np |
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| 20:39.08 | thebigdog | ~wake beandog |
| 20:39.12 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on beandog and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 21:13.19 | thebigdog | jsmith nice to have you back from lunch |
| 21:13.39 | jsmith | thebigdog: I've been back from lunch for a couple of hours now |
| 21:13.44 | jsmith | thebigdog: What'd you have? |
| 21:14.00 | thebigdog | pork, wild rice and broc |
| 21:19.59 | jsmith | Nice |
| 21:21.06 | thebigdog | it was pretty good |
| 21:40.11 | Lone_Wanderer | Je retourne. |
| 21:50.47 | unum | ok I need some help understand when and why I use which type of join |
| 21:51.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Ask away. |
| 21:51.15 | unum | when do I want to use a cross join |
| 21:51.19 | Lone_Wanderer | We need some kind of "don't ask to ask" thing in the subject. |
| 21:51.40 | unum | well I was hoping for a general outline, but maybe I should explain my situation |
| 21:51.48 | Lone_Wanderer | That's best. |
| 21:52.10 | Lone_Wanderer | You're talking about joins between arrays right? |
| 21:52.21 | unum | nope sql databse |
| 21:52.24 | unum | database |
| 21:52.44 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh |
| 21:52.50 | Lone_Wanderer | I am not wise in the ways of joins. |
| 21:53.04 | Lone_Wanderer | macnewbold is though |
| 21:53.26 | unum | I have a table with three keys and another table with two of the same three keys |
| 21:53.40 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 21:55.26 | unum | when I do a select on the table with three keys I want to join the appropriate row from the table with two keys |
| 21:55.28 | unum | I don't think they really matter to this problem |
| 21:55.28 | unum | I just have no idea why I should use which join |
| 21:55.28 | mindjuju | unum, joins arent' really dependant on what keys you have to reference |
| 21:55.38 | mindjuju | but rather, what data you need from the database |
| 21:55.50 | mindjuju | so, let's say you want only records from both tables that fight a specific criteria specified |
| 21:55.53 | Lone_Wanderer | It sounds, just from what I've heard so far, that you may be making things too complicated already. |
| 21:55.54 | mindjuju | that's an inner join |
| 21:56.12 | Lone_Wanderer | with the multiple keys and all. |
| 21:56.42 | mindjuju | here is a decent explination of joins : http://www.w3schools.com/sql/sql_join.asp |
| 21:56.46 | unum | thanks |
| 21:56.51 | mindjuju | has good examples |
| 21:59.25 | thebigdog | also unum you probably dont want a cross join as that is a cartesian product of the set |
| 21:59.27 | mindjuju | hey, unum, when you're done reading that, come back and we can help you write the join you need |
| 22:00.05 | mindjuju | thebigdog == "Jedi Master Yoda of SQL" |
| 22:00.07 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, unum, I don't recognize your name, have you been here before? |
| 22:00.28 | thebigdog | i dont know 3/4 of the people in here |
| 22:00.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, me neither, but they aren't talking :p |
| 22:00.51 | mindjuju | lone_wanderer , i seen him here a couple of times |
| 22:00.53 | Lone_Wanderer | and I recognize their names at least. |
| 22:01.16 | thebigdog | and i forget who lives in utah and who doesnt |
| 22:01.42 | mindjuju | i think only jsmith is out of state now. |
| 22:01.43 | Lone_Wanderer | There are non-Utahns in here? >:( |
| 22:01.47 | _psychic_ | and who uses php and who doesn't |
| 22:01.52 | Lone_Wanderer | Get the pitchforks! |
| 22:01.53 | thebigdog | i hate php |
| 22:02.22 | thebigdog | i code in web service and ajax |
| 22:02.37 | thebigdog | web 2.1.2.5 |
| 22:03.09 | thebigdog | i fix beandog's mistakes |
| 22:03.21 | macnewbold | unum: you still around? you might find some help on your joins at http://www.macnewbold.com/uphpu/uphpu-mysql.html |
| 22:03.22 | thebigdog | and timinator's too |
| 22:03.22 | jsmith | thebigdog: 2.1.2.6 was released, you'll have to recode it all now |
| 22:03.26 | macnewbold | or there's a ppt version there too |
| 22:03.36 | Lone_Wanderer | Is it up to 2.1.2.6 already? I only have 2.1.1 :( |
| 22:03.47 | thebigdog | yeah, i need to recode it all |
| 22:04.05 | unum | I figured it out, thanks guys |
| 22:04.07 | timinator | Colloquy is bouncing in the dock again... what do you guys want?!?!?! |
| 22:04.09 | macnewbold | cool |
| 22:04.09 | timinator | :) |
| 22:04.16 | macnewbold | what kind of join did you need, unum? |
| 22:04.25 | macnewbold | usually a left/right/inner join are the right thing |
| 22:04.31 | timinator | LOL |
| 22:04.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Real quick, can someone give me some examples of data that can be embedded into an image? |
| 22:04.44 | timinator | so thebigdog is talking trash, huh? |
| 22:04.46 | thebigdog | i use a full right inner join |
| 22:05.07 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: Exif can embed the camera type, serial number, f-stop, flash information, etc. |
| 22:05.11 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 22:05.13 | Lone_Wanderer | thanks |
| 22:05.22 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: Why? |
| 22:05.39 | thebigdog | Lone_Wanderer, my name |
| 22:05.42 | jsmith | thebigdog: As opposed to a partial left outer unjoin? |
| 22:05.54 | Lone_Wanderer | A client said "I want to have tags and category information embedded into images that people upload" |
| 22:05.56 | thebigdog | jsmith so true so true |
| 22:06.01 | Lone_Wanderer | when clearly they don't actually want it "embedded" |
| 22:06.11 | Lone_Wanderer | but merely related to the image in the DB |
| 22:06.24 | thebigdog | jsmith or my fav antijoin |
| 22:06.47 | thebigdog | R \triangleright S = { t : t ∈ R \and \neg\existss ∈ S : fun (t ∪ s) } |
| 22:07.03 | timinator | anybody heard this song |
| 22:07.16 | Lone_Wanderer | ~slay timinator |
| 22:07.24 | jbot | ACTION brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, timinator!" apt lops off timinator's head. |
| 22:07.39 | timinator | ~timattack Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:07.41 | jbot | ACTION uses a 2 handed log saw and starts to cut Lone_Wanderer down to size! |
| 22:07.43 | Lone_Wanderer | ~belay slaying of timinator |
| 22:08.20 | thebigdog | unum you can also read up on some relational algebra that'll put some hair on your queries |
| 22:08.26 | thebigdog | :) |
| 22:08.36 | Lone_Wanderer | thebigdog: where can I find such stuff myself? |
| 22:08.48 | thebigdog | are you serious? |
| 22:08.51 | Lone_Wanderer | I keep wanting to learn more about queries and SQL and whatnot but I keep being a wimp about it. |
| 22:08.54 | Lone_Wanderer | I am serious. |
| 22:09.10 | thebigdog | get the database theory book and you will be set |
| 22:09.24 | Lone_Wanderer | Which database theory book? |
| 22:09.28 | thebigdog | let me see if i can find it |
| 22:09.30 | Lone_Wanderer | ~google database theory book |
| 22:10.19 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: which book? The Champion book? |
| 22:10.25 | jsmith | thebigdog: Something like SELECT iq_level FROM humans LEFT ANTIJOIN ON androids WHERE humans.logical = androids.illogical; |
| 22:10.33 | thebigdog | taht blue one from silver something |
| 22:10.44 | thebigdog | i have it at home :( |
| 22:10.54 | dataw0lf | hmmm, dunno about that one |
| 22:11.02 | mindjuju | database design for mere mortals? |
| 22:11.37 | thebigdog | pixies +1G |
| 22:11.51 | Lone_Wanderer | 1G? |
| 22:11.55 | Lone_Wanderer | 1 gazillion? |
| 22:12.10 | mindjuju | pixies stink |
| 22:12.29 | thebigdog | mindjuju, i might have to give dataw0lf your privs |
| 22:12.43 | dataw0lf | I don't want his privs |
| 22:12.49 | dataw0lf | that's some kind of disease, innit? |
| 22:13.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I love how in kung fu movies people always yell out the name of what they're doing. |
| 22:13.33 | Lone_Wanderer | They can't just fight, they have to fight while yelling "FIST OF THE WHOOPING CRANE!" |
| 22:13.35 | dataw0lf | I always yell "fist to the head" when I fight |
| 22:13.55 | Lone_Wanderer | and "FEET OF THE BUZZING BUMBLEBEE!" |
| 22:14.43 | Lone_Wanderer | That's cool, DW, but how do you get a bottle drunk? |
| 22:14.56 | mindjuju | heh |
| 22:14.56 | dataw0lf | it's a modifier for the whole phrase |
| 22:15.21 | Lone_Wanderer | I know that :p |
| 22:15.51 | Lone_Wanderer | The alternate question is, how can you hit someone from 20 feet if you're drunk? |
| 22:15.59 | dataw0lf | that's why it's a martial style |
| 22:16.28 | dataw0lf | I sure wish your niece would reply to my comments on her facebook |
| 22:16.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Me too. |
| 22:16.58 | Lone_Wanderer | She probably won't. Strength of personality and rigorous thought are not qualities she was raised to value. |
| 22:17.16 | Lone_Wanderer | My sister is great, but oy vey, she's really done a number on her kids. |
| 22:18.22 | Lone_Wanderer | When she (my niece) came to BYU, she wouldn't attend sporting events because she thought that all sports were inherently evil. |
| 22:19.26 | mindjuju | that reminds me of the movie WaterBoy where his mom says everything is of the devil |
| 22:19.32 | Lone_Wanderer | Watching movies rated worse than PG is not allowed. Playing games with violence in them is not allowed. etc. etc. |
| 22:19.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, that's pretty much my sister. |
| 22:20.02 | dataw0lf | I really thank the powers that be that I was born under the parentage I was |
| 22:20.11 | dataw0lf | wonder if I could actually be brainwashed though |
| 22:20.21 | Lone_Wanderer | It's weird because they study Shakespeare (king of crude jokes in his time), but they won't watch PG-13 movies. |
| 22:20.36 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess low-brow humor is okay if it's a couple centuries old. |
| 22:21.06 | dataw0lf | and if it isn't processed correctly |
| 22:22.38 | macnewbold | the joke isn't crude unless you actually know what the words and phrases mean (or rather, what they meant to the speaker and his intended audience) |
| 22:22.53 | dataw0lf | right |
| 22:23.41 | Lone_Wanderer | It just wouldn't offend you if it goes over your head. |
| 22:27.15 | dataw0lf | has bridge to terabithia (movie) been banned in Utah yet? |
| 22:27.26 | thebigdog | no but it shoudl be |
| 22:27.44 | _psychic_ | why? |
| 22:27.48 | Lone_Wanderer | lol, why should it be? |
| 22:27.53 | thebigdog | cause it was stupid |
| 22:27.59 | dataw0lf | it's one of the most banned books in conservative areas |
| 22:28.08 | Lone_Wanderer | why is it banned? |
| 22:28.13 | dataw0lf | girl has an atheist family, deals with death, romance between younger characters |
| 22:28.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I read it when I was a kid and didn't find anything ban-worthy in it. |
| 22:28.22 | dataw0lf | magic in it |
| 22:28.22 | _psychic_ | me too |
| 22:28.23 | dataw0lf | etc |
| 22:28.29 | _psychic_ | sad story :( |
| 22:28.30 | dataw0lf | http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/bannedbooksweek/bbwlinks/100mostfrequently.htm |
| 22:28.34 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh no. Death and romance. |
| 22:28.46 | dataw0lf | that list shows the, heh, trouble we're in |
| 22:28.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Better ban Romeo and Juliet too. |
| 22:29.05 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl, "Daddy's Roommate" |
| 22:29.07 | dataw0lf | Huckleberry Fin, Of Mice and Men, I know why the Caged Bird Sings |
| 22:29.18 | _psychic_ | mmmm, they were probably religious and suicidal, so that's okay. |
| 22:29.32 | _psychic_ | of mice and men was kinda freaky |
| 22:29.34 | Lone_Wanderer | The Giver, A Wrinkle in Time?!?!? |
| 22:29.39 | dataw0lf | yea |
| 22:29.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Go Ask Alice is completely made up, I don't mind banning that one |
| 22:29.48 | dataw0lf | if you weren't already depressed about the state of our country. |
| 22:30.00 | dataw0lf | A Light In The Attic |
| 22:30.03 | Lone_Wanderer | These are some of the best books ever written. |
| 22:30.03 | dataw0lf | The Outsiders |
| 22:30.08 | dataw0lf | To Kill A Mockingbird |
| 22:30.15 | dataw0lf | yea, they are |
| 22:30.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay maybe not Best Ever, but pretty dang good. |
| 22:30.34 | dataw0lf | Huck Finn is quite possibly the greatest book ever written, sir |
| 22:30.57 | dataw0lf | Slaughterhouse-Five |
| 22:31.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Slaughterhouse Five is by the same guy who wrote Starship Troopers, right? |
| 22:31.15 | Lone_Wanderer | Heinlen? |
| 22:31.20 | _psychic_ | anyone read Lord of the Flies? |
| 22:31.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Yes. |
| 22:31.47 | Lone_Wanderer | And I read something by War Nerd just yesterday where he said that Algeria is like Lord of the Flies only with a bigger arms budget. |
| 22:32.02 | _psychic_ | that's funny and not funny all at the same time |
| 22:32.17 | Lone_Wanderer | I also got an A (the only A) in my high school English class for writing a game based on that book |
| 22:32.27 | Lone_Wanderer | That is, the only A on that particular project. |
| 22:32.27 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: uh, no Slaughterhouse-Five is Vonnegut |
| 22:32.31 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh okay |
| 22:32.44 | dataw0lf | Lord of the Flies, mmmm |
| 22:33.47 | dataw0lf | Ralph wept for the end of innocence, the darkness of man's heart, and the fall through the air of the true, wise friend called Piggy. |
| 22:33.50 | dataw0lf | mmmhmm |
| 22:34.03 | _psychic_ | deep |
| 22:34.26 | dataw0lf | it's an excellent book |
| 22:35.47 | _psychic_ | its been a long time - I'll hafta find it again |
| 22:36.21 | dataw0lf | I suggest reading Huckleberry Finn if you haven't read it for a while. |
| 22:36.37 | dataw0lf | Twain == greatest american writer ever. period. |
| 22:37.18 | Lone_Wanderer | When my sister was in high school (half black, half Hmong, and her) a girl said that she wanted Huck Finn banned 'cause it had "the N word" in it. |
| 22:37.51 | dataw0lf | heh, I bet you can't find many copies of Roughing It in Utah |
| 22:37.53 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 22:38.00 | Lone_Wanderer | She was unanimously booed off the... well, not stage, but whatever. |
| 22:38.12 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: that's strange, because I went to a large black school, and 'twas beloved. |
| 22:38.25 | Lone_Wanderer | The teacher didn't have to say anything, all the black kids who *had* read it kindly informed her of her mistake. |
| 22:38.34 | dataw0lf | anyone with half a brain understands what Twain is saying about racism in the book |
| 22:38.37 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 22:38.59 | Lone_Wanderer | What were... uhh... "race relations" like in your school? |
| 22:39.08 | _psychic_ | same with To Kill A Mockingbird |
| 22:39.23 | dataw0lf | eh, before high school, got in a lot of fights |
| 22:39.42 | dataw0lf | high school I was pretty popular, I guess. |
| 22:39.48 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 22:40.26 | Lone_Wanderer | it took a while, but by the time I got to high school, I was friends with most of the people I knew |
| 22:41.13 | Lone_Wanderer | you just had to live with being picked on for being white for a few years |
| 22:41.30 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 22:42.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Does non-dry champagne exist? |
| 22:43.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Also, is it just me, or do people in your office spend a lot of time drinking on the job? |
| 22:43.33 | dataw0lf | we're a bunch of secular heathens what do you expect. |
| 22:43.38 | dataw0lf | I dunno much about champagne |
| 22:43.44 | dataw0lf | I just know the smell of alcohol. |
| 22:44.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, generally I expect you to get drunk *after* work. But what do I know? :p |
| 22:44.12 | dataw0lf | hmph, someone just said that my site looked like it'd been designed a 6 year old girl |
| 22:44.19 | dataw0lf | I expect she was just trying to get my goat, however |
| 22:44.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, the cat (or whatever it is) does look a bit 6 year old ish. |
| 22:45.00 | Lone_Wanderer | Which is awesome. |
| 22:45.46 | dataw0lf | it's art |
| 22:45.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Indeed. |
| 22:47.46 | unum | looking throught the back log I saw the twain comment? has anyone ever read the guilded age? |
| 22:47.51 | unum | that's my favorite |
| 22:48.03 | dataw0lf | *gilded age? |
| 22:48.05 | dataw0lf | yes |
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| 22:59.18 | Lone_Wanderer | ~lart the phrase "don't judge me" |
| 23:17.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Is that a band? |
| 23:18.02 | mindjuju | if it ain't techno, it's crap! |
| 23:18.16 | thebigdog | danzig |
| 23:18.59 | thebigdog | ~flame macnewbold |
| 23:19.01 | jbot | macnewbold, YOU SUCK. And you know it. |
| 23:20.22 | mindjuju | actually, Lone_Wanderer , di.fm - breaks is playing some good stuff right now |
| 23:21.43 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh |
| 23:21.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Is there a way to record stuff that plays on something like sonafm? |
| 23:22.14 | mindjuju | stationripper |
| 23:22.19 | mindjuju | its on sourceforge |
| 23:22.20 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 23:22.24 | mindjuju | the free version works really well |
| 23:22.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Can I just leave it running overnight? |
| 23:22.52 | mindjuju | well, the free version will stop recording after 25 songs or something |
| 23:22.58 | Lone_Wanderer | ah, that's plenty |
| 23:23.05 | mindjuju | though, it should get you some good stuff |
| 23:23.23 | thebigdog | mindjuju is becoming a little hacker |
| 23:23.41 | mindjuju | this trey turner stuff on breaks is REALLY v good. i'll send you a copy of it if you like it |
| 23:23.56 | Lone_Wanderer | There's just a couple of really good songs that bluemars plays on occasion. |
| 23:24.10 | Lone_Wanderer | mindjuju: dcrookston@gmail.com |
| 23:25.02 | mindjuju | it's funny you say that thebigdog , i just printed out the slides from Blackhat : Routing in the dark (darknet) |
| 23:25.02 | wps | AHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 23:25.05 | wps | why? |
| 23:25.08 | wps | WHY? |
| 23:25.12 | wps | WHY???? |
| 23:25.16 | mindjuju | was also looking at relakks |
| 23:25.19 | mindjuju | huh? |
| 23:25.34 | Lone_Wanderer | hmmm, how do I listen to di on a mac? |
| 23:25.37 | wps | why does the world consider Microsoft Word documents the digital equivalent of an envelop? |
| 23:25.55 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: very very good marketing and savvy business moves. |
| 23:26.00 | _psychic_ | really good marketing on MS's part |
| 23:26.03 | _psychic_ | Lone_Wanderer: exactly |
| 23:26.38 | mindjuju | If you are using Macs, Unix/Linux: there aren't too many players supporting aacPlus yet, but the open source VLC player supports it for most platforms. |
| 23:26.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I think itunes is... |
| 23:26.58 | Lone_Wanderer | no, it's not. |
| 23:27.10 | mindjuju | i'd try vlc |
| 23:27.18 | mindjuju | i've had good results with it on windows |
| 23:27.53 | mindjuju | tell ya what, i'll upload it somewhere and send you the location in an email so you can fetch it |
| 23:28.23 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, there we go. it's working. |
| 23:28.23 | mindjuju | this is some good stuff |
| 23:28.23 | Lone_Wanderer | itunes just started working :) |
| 23:28.23 | wps | "hey, can you email me that photo"? |
| 23:28.23 | mindjuju | photo? |
| 23:28.28 | wps | "sure, man… let me paste it into a MS Word doc and I'll send it right over!" |
| 23:28.32 | Lone_Wanderer | I may loathe itunes with the very core of my being, but at least it's working. |
| 23:28.40 | wps | ~lart, MS Word envelopes |
| 23:29.08 | Lone_Wanderer | -, |
| 23:29.10 | wps | I just don't understand why they cannot fathom the idea on their own that they can attach image files to emails on their own |
| 23:29.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Lack of education. |
| 23:29.23 | dataw0lf | wps: tell me about it |
| 23:29.34 | Lone_Wanderer | mindjuju: You are now the official Prophet of Breakbeats |
| 23:29.36 | wps | but why do they think they can attach MS word docs and not JPEGs? |
| 23:30.02 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 23:30.09 | jbot | methinks mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or prone to messing with other people's factoids, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or a jbot super teacher |
| 23:30.10 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: mindjuju is also the Prophet of Breakbeats |
| 23:30.12 | jbot | okay, Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:30.29 | mindjuju | ~mindjuju |
| 23:30.30 | jbot | hmm... mindjuju is sleeping with his left eye open, or insane, or prone to messing with other people's factoids, or a windows system administrator *GASP*, or a ibot super teacher, or the Prophet of Breakbeats |
| 23:30.37 | mindjuju | sweet! |
| 23:30.43 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: Lone_Wanderer is an acolyte of mindjuju |
| 23:30.44 | jbot | ...but lone_wanderer is already something else... |
| 23:30.49 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: Lone_Wanderer is also an acolyte of mindjuju |
| 23:30.51 | jbot | okay, Lone_Wanderer |
| 23:30.58 | mindjuju | Lone_Wanderer ++ |
| 23:32.09 | mindjuju | ugh, snow -- http://www.sltrib.com/ci_5309071?source=rss |
| 23:33.01 | Lone_Wanderer | speaking of snow, I'm seriously disappointed |
| 23:33.17 | Lone_Wanderer | human stupidity has failed me. I was betting on at least two avalanche-related deaths this weekend and we got NONE. |
| 23:33.52 | wps | play time! |
| 23:33.56 | wps | build your own tiki! |
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| 23:33.57 | wps | http://www.heatherwatts.com/index.php?page_id=136 |
| 23:34.51 | Lone_Wanderer | Wheee! I love snow! |
| 23:37.13 | Lone_Wanderer | What, exactly, is a tiki? |
| 23:37.22 | wps | if anyone wants to build a tiki and email me the screen shot, I am making a collection |
| 23:37.22 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought it was a Polynesian fertility symbol |
| 23:37.51 | wps | In Polynesian mythology (specifically: Maori), Tiki is the first man, created by either Tu Matauenga or Tane. He found the first woman, Marikoriko, in a pond. She seduced him and he became the father of Hine-Kau-Ataata. |
| 23:38.24 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 23:38.29 | Lone_Wanderer | My Dad has a tiki pin |
| 23:38.35 | wps | how come women seducing men only happens in mythology? |
| 23:38.35 | Lone_Wanderer | from his mission |
| 23:38.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Ermm. |
| 23:38.54 | _psychic_ | happens to me everyday. |
| 23:38.59 | Lone_Wanderer | pre-Victorian era, women were generally seen as the seducing sex. |
| 23:51.04 | macnewbold | ~lart thebigdog (while he isn't looking) |
| 23:51.12 | macnewbold | cause he thinks I didn't see him flame me earlier |
| 23:51.22 | macnewbold | but I was just waiting for the right time to strike back |
| 23:53.25 | wps | http://www.moviewavs.com/php/sounds/?id=bst&media=MP3S&type=Movies&movie=Napoleon_Dynamite"e=lucky.txt&file=lucky.mp3 |
| 23:53.57 | thebigdog | ~tinafart macnewbold |
| 23:54.07 | thebigdog | that is worse |
| 23:54.11 | thebigdog | ~tunafart macnewbold |
| 23:54.12 | jbot | ACTION eats a week-old tuna sandwich with relish and walks over to macnewbold, leg raised, to let 'em rip. |
| 23:54.45 | dataw0lf | now that's just mean |
| 23:54.52 | _psychic_ | and really gross |
| 23:55.14 | dataw0lf | yes, and really gross |
| 23:55.19 | thebigdog | now if tinafart came back i would have vomitted |
| 23:56.13 | Lone_Wanderer | Anyone else getting unusually large volumes of spam today? |
| 23:56.20 | _psychic_ | I am :/ |
| 23:56.23 | _psychic_ | stupid image spam |
| 23:56.42 | dataw0lf | *cough* huge batch of exploits this weekend *cough* |
| 23:56.54 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh, that'll do it |
| 23:57.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I've noticed that it goes in cycles. For several days I'll get none (that gmail doesn't filter) and then for a day or two I'll get a dozen or so a day. |
| 23:58.32 | dataw0lf | it's the circle of cracker life, my friend |
| 23:58.44 | dataw0lf | the bastages |
| 23:59.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ohh, which one? |
| 23:59.18 | dataw0lf | LW: http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=2226809986&topic=1744 |
| 23:59.22 | _psychic_ | How to Kill A Ninja (with the "Circle of Death" at the end) |
| 23:59.25 | dataw0lf | mmm, I ate this kid for breakfast, see the last post |
| 23:59.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Did you get to that from my niece's page? |
| 23:59.59 | Lone_Wanderer | I think I saw it linked to from there. |
