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| 00:36.43 | mindjuju | anybody still aorund |
| 00:54.24 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: yessir |
| 00:56.39 | mindjuju | heya dataw0lf, i got it. it was a JS question |
| 00:57.50 | dataw0lf | ah word |
| 00:58.06 | dataw0lf | out of curiousity, what was the question? |
| 00:58.55 | mindjuju | oh, question was on refering to a script in the parent from the iframe |
| 00:59.14 | mindjuju | i should have thought about it more before asking if anybody was around cause i remembered like 2 seconds later |
| 00:59.21 | dataw0lf | word |
| 00:59.43 | mindjuju | got plans for the weekend? |
| 01:10.10 | dataw0lf | Who concert tonight |
| 01:10.16 | dataw0lf | that's about it |
| 01:10.33 | dataw0lf | I'll fill in the blanks with whiskey and a large dose of self deprecation |
| 01:10.46 | mindjuju | the Who is good! |
| 01:10.58 | dataw0lf | yessir they are |
| 01:11.08 | dataw0lf | concert in a couple hours |
| 01:11.09 | dataw0lf | :) |
| 01:12.07 | beandog | mindjuju: am now |
| 01:13.06 | mindjuju | hey beandog, what's your understanding of the MP3 ruling against MS today? |
| 01:13.46 | beandog | where they got slapped with a 1.5b lawsuit? |
| 01:13.55 | mindjuju | yup |
| 01:14.07 | beandog | well, for one thing Im obviously in the wrong business |
| 01:14.25 | beandog | I'm not surprised though |
| 01:14.25 | mindjuju | figured you might be in the know since thebigdog was asking you general multimedia questions |
| 01:14.35 | beandog | Well MP3 is already patented up the wazoo |
| 01:14.58 | beandog | Im not sure if the claim comes from the orginal patent holders or not (Fraunhoffer) |
| 01:14.59 | mindjuju | since the company i work for has a lot of resources in MP3, will we have to relicense ? |
| 01:15.26 | mindjuju | well, one article i read said that lucent put in the patent 2 years prior to fraunhoffer on a slightly different part of mp3 |
| 01:15.35 | mindjuju | and that it is on that patent that they won against MS |
| 01:16.04 | beandog | Hmm, I wouldnt be surprised. It is patented up the wazoo. |
| 01:16.07 | beandog | The MP3 codec is being used not as it was intended to be |
| 01:16.17 | beandog | And by the time it got so popular, it was too late. |
| 01:16.28 | mindjuju | how was it intended to be used? |
| 01:16.50 | beandog | I mean (from what Ive heard) it was never intended to be used how it is now |
| 01:16.55 | beandog | wasnt designed that way |
| 01:17.01 | beandog | I could be wrong, who knows. |
| 01:17.29 | beandog | anyway |
| 01:17.30 | mindjuju | right now it's hard to tell what is FUD and what isn't |
| 01:17.49 | mindjuju | but read that some people with large libraries of MP3 were looking at ogg |
| 01:17.50 | beandog | Well, look at this way |
| 01:17.59 | beandog | The EOLA patent went through, they won $500 million. |
| 01:18.01 | mindjuju | though one writer said OGG is vulenerabale to mp3 patent suit |
| 01:18.22 | beandog | So is it any wonder people are at least *trying* to sue for big cash values against the same company? |
| 01:18.33 | beandog | Well, this is how I see it. |
| 01:18.37 | beandog | Everything is patented. |
| 01:18.40 | beandog | I just don't care. |
| 01:18.58 | beandog | Nothing is going to happen to FOSS, though. |
| 01:19.03 | beandog | It's decentralized by nature. |
| 01:19.09 | mindjuju | FOSS? |
| 01:19.23 | dataw0lf | jesus |
| 01:19.25 | beandog | Even if you kill a US-based project, it'll just spring up in the Netherlands or something, and even then probably out of spite. |
| 01:19.34 | beandog | sup dataw0lf |
| 01:19.49 | dataw0lf | I leave for like 10 minutes and you guys are having an intellectual conversation |
| 01:19.50 | beandog | heh |
| 01:19.51 | beandog | wb |
| 01:19.55 | mindjuju | is there a FOSS solution here? |
| 01:20.50 | beandog | to which, the mp3s? |
| 01:20.53 | dataw0lf | I'm drunk, so lets have a conversation about ... <spins the random wheel> JavaSScript |
| 01:21.00 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 01:21.10 | beandog | Theres a few open source audio codecs out there, you could pick one of those. |
| 01:21.31 | beandog | I wouldnt worry about it though, since theres no $$$ in chasing down a project that some hobbyist works on in his spare time and gives away for free. |
| 01:21.38 | beandog | In other words, I dont think the users will ever have to care. |
| 01:21.54 | mindjuju | just worried from my company's sake |
| 01:22.06 | beandog | Well look at it this way |
| 01:22.23 | beandog | everyone pirates Windows, but nobody ever hears of MS actually coming to their business and doing an audit. |
| 01:22.39 | beandog | Unless they are some fortune 500 company. |
| 01:22.52 | mindjuju | true that |
| 01:22.56 | beandog | Everyone is small potatoes, so they don't have to worry about it. |
| 01:23.35 | beandog | no lawyer is going to want to go through the time and trouble of tracking down some small business that doesnt have massive revnue anyway |
| 01:23.40 | beandog | Its all about the benjamins |
| 01:24.04 | mindjuju | true that. |
| 01:24.26 | mindjuju | thx for the info |
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| 01:24.50 | beandog | Besides, everyone knows MP3 codecs are patented. Any corporation runs the risk of just including software without doing their legal homework. |
| 01:25.04 | beandog | I dunno what the story was with MS |
| 01:25.21 | mindjuju | something about how windows decodes mp3 |
| 01:25.23 | beandog | but they probably forgot to pay someone off. |
| 01:25.30 | beandog | do you have a link? |
| 01:25.39 | mindjuju | several, hang on quick sec |
| 01:25.57 | beandog | Thomson, thats other company. Basically RCA. |
| 01:26.13 | mindjuju | http://www.forbes.com/markets/economy/2007/02/23/alcatel-lucent-update-markets-equity-cx_rs_po_0223markets12.html |
| 01:26.20 | mindjuju | http://www.wired.com/news/culture/music/0,72785-0.html?tw=wn_technology_1 |
| 01:26.27 | mindjuju | http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D8NF3TTO1.htm |
| 01:26.33 | mindjuju | http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=197008462 |
| 01:27.23 | mindjuju | they mostly cover the same thing but each has a slightly different take on the situation. though all were foreboding |
| 01:27.26 | beandog | Okay, so they all did their homework and licensed from Fraunhofer |
| 01:27.37 | beandog | And that's not who is suing them. I think it's a patent troll. |
| 01:27.54 | mindjuju | yeah, lucent-somecompanyhere |
| 01:28.01 | mindjuju | alstel or something |
| 01:29.13 | mindjuju | which is kinda wierd cause one analyst was surprised the judge let it go through, cause he was arguing that if fraunhofer collected all the money to license, lucent-astel should have sued them |
| 01:29.56 | beandog | "In an e-mail to Wired News, IDC analyst Susan Kevorkian said she believes Alcatel-Lucent may have a legitimate claim to some of the MP3 royalties, but the proper target should be Frauenhofer and not its licensees." |
| 01:29.58 | beandog | I agree ^^ |
| 01:30.15 | mindjuju | yeah, that's the one |
| 01:30.59 | beandog | A lot of interesting legal precedents though |
| 01:31.11 | beandog | Either way, you can be sure MS isnt going to roll over and fork over 1.5 billion. |
| 01:31.26 | mindjuju | yeah, true |
| 01:34.01 | beandog | If I were raking in billions of dollars annually, I'd worry about it, but I'd have a team of lawyers arguing on my side. |
| 01:34.14 | beandog | As anyone smaller than that, I wouldnt worry about it. Youre just not going to be in their sights. |
| 01:34.33 | beandog | We can only hope that this might bring about some change in our legal system. Which I doubt. |
| 01:34.48 | beandog | It'll probably have the opposite effect of making companies file more patents. |
| 01:34.55 | mindjuju | or, move the market to an OSS solution |
| 01:35.43 | mindjuju | though seems like one of the articles says that MP3Pro doesn't have the same problem and is ok |
| 01:35.46 | beandog | Well, the people that are smart and do their homework will do that. Ogg Vorbis is already being used commercially. |
| 01:36.07 | beandog | I dont see any major waves of change happening overnight though. Most corporations are pretty conserative, and slow moving it seems. |
| 01:36.24 | mindjuju | except that one of those articles says that Ogg is vulenerable to the MP3 suit |
| 01:36.36 | beandog | like I said, everything is patented. |
| 01:36.45 | beandog | Just ignore them. |
| 01:37.13 | beandog | I really dont like how patents are such a hot topic issue these days either. It's causing lots of FUD. Yes things are broken, but its not the end of the world. Certainly not for FOSS. |
| 01:39.28 | mindjuju | well, thx for the info. i won't worry about it so much. |
| 01:39.33 | beandog | :) |
| 01:43.58 | beandog | welp, Im gonna go home and fix some gentoo bugs I think |
| 01:44.11 | beandog | g'nite all |
| 01:44.14 | mindjuju | cya |
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| 18:56.52 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
| 20:26.11 | macnewbold | I'm around now, but you're probably not any more |
| 20:26.17 | macnewbold | at least I hope for your sake you aren't |
| 20:26.36 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:26.47 | mindjuju | i'm hitting my head trying to figure out this flashvar stuff |
| 20:31.13 | dataw0lf | sup |
| 20:32.42 | mindjuju | sup dataw0lf |
| 20:32.46 | mindjuju | do you do flash? |
| 20:37.38 | dataw0lf | negative sir |
| 20:38.06 | dataw0lf | ActionScript is fairly similar to JavaScript tho, if it's an ActionScript question |
| 20:39.22 | mindjuju | well, it's about picking up vars from the URL |
| 20:39.31 | mindjuju | this isn't working |
| 20:39.31 | mindjuju | myPlayer.dataProvider = geturl($mp3Url); |
| 20:39.48 | mindjuju | was trying to figure out why, but i now think it has to do with the component i'm using |
| 21:56.17 | mindjuju | i can not believe this is so freakin' difficult |
| 22:14.53 | macnewbold | we usually end up putting an attribute called "flashVars" in there it seems like |
| 22:15.53 | mindjuju | yeah, passing the vars to flash isn't the prob, it's within flash parsing said vars |
| 22:16.10 | mindjuju | that's the darn tutorial that nobody has written yet |
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| 22:16.28 | macnewbold | our attribs generally are in URL-ish form, pairs of var=val joined by & |
| 22:17.14 | mindjuju | can't tell you how many pages i read talking about passing vars to flash, prolly read about 20 tutorials all promising to teach you how to pass var to flash |
| 22:17.36 | mindjuju | and they teach how to pass to flash, but not how to have flash use |
| 22:17.45 | thebigdog | ~pass mindjuju to flash |
| 22:17.58 | mindjuju | har har har |
| 22:23.19 | thebigdog | ~pimpslap mindjuju |
| 22:23.20 | jbot | thebigdog pimpslaps mindjuju. ouch! |
| 22:23.24 | thebigdog | how was the lunch? |
| 22:23.42 | mindjuju | geek lunch isn't till this next friday |
| 22:23.52 | mindjuju | but not sure how many slc people are going |
| 22:23.59 | mindjuju | it'll prolly just be happy valley |
| 22:35.01 | thebigdog | surely |
| 22:39.09 | thebigdog | work sucks |
| 22:39.32 | mindjuju | in general or what your doing does or where your at does? |
| 22:39.48 | thebigdog | just general stuff... |
| 22:39.59 | mindjuju | ah |
| 23:02.31 | mindjuju | i'd love some donuts about now |
| 23:14.36 | mindjuju | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! |
| 23:15.06 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:15.16 | macnewbold | ~mourn mindjuju's sanity |
| 23:15.22 | jbot | ACTION lights some candles for mindjuju's sanity |
| 23:15.48 | mindjuju | i created an account with dominos like a month ago, i go to order a nice pizza, and guess what |
| 23:16.04 | mindjuju | there ain't a place to log in, so i go through thier whole site and they want me to make an account |
| 23:16.28 | mindjuju | to which they wisely notice that hey, this dude already has an account, to which they inform me, BUT they still don't give me a place to log in |
| 23:16.54 | mindjuju | i just can't believe this passed any sort of QA |
| 23:22.05 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:22.23 | macnewbold | send them feedback |
| 23:22.40 | macnewbold | someone should catch a real earful for a mistake like that... |
| 23:23.07 | mindjuju | yeah, it's goofy. i just placed the order over the phone |
| 23:24.59 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 23:25.05 | macnewbold | so the web site is practically just for looks |
| 23:25.14 | macnewbold | and nobody uses it cause it isn't user friendly |
| 23:25.16 | macnewbold | what a waste |
| 23:26.56 | mindjuju | exactly, likely somebody rolled out a change and didn't notice they wiped out the login, cause i've ordered successfully online before |
| 23:27.25 | macnewbold | yeah, send them feedback - someone should pay for that |
| 23:27.31 | macnewbold | and give you free pizza for a year |
| 23:35.28 | thebigdog | i think all pizza websites have that same problem...papa johns has issues with ordering online too |
| 23:36.37 | mindjuju | oh yeah! i was thinking of who else i could order from, but forgot papa johns |
| 23:37.41 | mindjuju | i sure wished Whopper King delivered |
| 23:37.46 | mindjuju | i'd eat from there every day |
| 23:39.42 | thebigdog | man i hate that place |
| 23:39.46 | thebigdog | crown all the way |
| 23:39.58 | mindjuju | hate? |
| 23:40.01 | mindjuju | whopper king? |
| 23:41.03 | mindjuju | that's like saying you hate the Kentucky Fried |
| 23:41.05 | thebigdog | you mean burger king right? |
| 23:41.07 | mindjuju | it's impossible |
| 23:41.15 | thebigdog | i hate kfc too...too greasy |
| 23:41.21 | mindjuju | yeah, burger king = whopper king |
| 23:42.58 | thebigdog | i hate that place |
| 23:43.06 | thebigdog | i not a big fan of mc's either |
| 23:43.14 | thebigdog | now carl and wendy's i can stand |
| 23:43.26 | mindjuju | yeah, well mcDonalds is gross |
| 23:43.38 | thebigdog | but if i get a burger it is from crown |
| 23:43.45 | thebigdog | or i make it myself |
| 23:43.53 | mindjuju | wendy's is good if you don't mind pieces of fingers in your chili |
| 23:44.08 | thebigdog | i dont touch the chili cause that aint chili |
| 23:44.27 | thebigdog | i usually do a chicken sandwich...they have great fries though |
| 23:44.45 | thebigdog | and carl's has great chicken sandwiches |
| 23:45.04 | mindjuju | carl's is alright if a bk or wendy's isn't around |