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| 03:05.31 | mindjuju | this looks pretty cool -- not much new, but the whole package does seem v effective - http://www.google.com/a/ |
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| 06:45.22 | com4 | the api sounds interesting |
| 06:46.37 | synic | your mom sounds interesting |
| 06:46.47 | com4 | srsly |
| 06:46.52 | com4 | i've got a pretty awesome story for you tomorrow |
| 06:47.00 | synic | nice |
| 06:47.06 | com4 | 33rd == lame |
| 06:47.10 | com4 | and i can't wait to move |
| 06:47.23 | synic | oh great |
| 06:47.26 | synic | a 33rd story |
| 06:47.28 | com4 | yeah |
| 06:47.31 | synic | did someone die? |
| 06:47.33 | com4 | no |
| 06:47.40 | com4 | but for a couple minutes i thought i might |
| 06:47.48 | xilch|w | hehe |
| 06:48.00 | xilch|w | yeah, it is a good story |
| 06:48.07 | xilch|w | but you gotta hear it all in person |
| 06:48.13 | com4 | it's part of the reason why rick is at work ;) |
| 06:48.23 | synic | sigh |
| 06:48.56 | synic | yeah, our new location *might* be a lot better. Redwood is pretty busy |
| 06:49.29 | synic | hopefully there are less crackheads |
| 06:49.30 | xilch|w | I'm pretty sure the new location is going to be way better |
| 06:49.40 | synic | and people getting hit by cars |
| 06:49.43 | xilch|w | I guess we'll see soon enough |
| 06:50.03 | com4 | the new building isn't a compound though :) |
| 06:50.21 | synic | what do you mean by compound? |
| 06:50.24 | xilch|w | compound ftw! |
| 06:50.27 | com4 | all in good time my friend |
| 06:50.38 | synic | ack. You suck |
| 06:51.06 | xilch|w | k, well I'm gonna junk some production and head home |
| 06:51.13 | xilch|w | see you kids tomorrow |
| 06:51.17 | com4 | cya |
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| 15:51.05 | jsmith | Is it a snow day? |
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| 17:07.43 | beandog | why the heck is only one side of my nose runny |
| 17:07.56 | mindjuju | only 1 side? |
| 17:08.36 | dataw0lf | like one side of a nostril? |
| 17:08.50 | beandog | just one nostril |
| 17:08.56 | beandog | I couldnt remember the word |
| 17:09.12 | macnewbold | don't worry, give it up to 4 hours, and it will switch sides |
| 17:09.40 | dataw0lf | (you only breathe out of one nostril at a time) |
| 17:09.54 | macnewbold | I read somewhere that for some reason, we only use primarily one nostril at a time, and that it switches about every 4 hours |
| 17:10.02 | macnewbold | cool, dataw0lf corroborates |
| 17:10.32 | macnewbold | I guess thebigdog doesn't like talking about nostrils |
| 17:10.37 | macnewbold | ~nosepick thebigdog |
| 17:10.39 | jbot | ACTION plucks thebigdog out of the nose of humanity and wipes him on the couch! |
| 17:16.32 | wps | what does IT stand for? |
| 17:16.39 | wps | internal technology? |
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| 17:19.10 | synic | informational |
| 17:19.39 | wps | why do so many people write it's acronym as I/T instead of IT? |
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| 17:25.18 | jsmith | wps: Because I/T stands for "Information over Technology" :-p |
| 17:25.25 | wps | nice |
| 17:25.38 | jsmith | It's the information that's important... the technology is just a necessary evil |
| 17:25.51 | jsmith | Hence the reason sys-admins never get promoted, while programmers sometimes do |
| 17:28.41 | thebigdog | i think they get promoted to fast |
| 17:30.48 | timinator | bigdog: who, the programmers? |
| 17:37.21 | thebigdog | y |
| 17:37.39 | thebigdog | you see tons of senior programmers with 3-5 yrs experience is all |
| 17:37.47 | thebigdog | that should be 13-15 yrs |
| 17:38.03 | jsmith | Yup |
| 17:38.36 | wps | so, senior should really mean senior instead of mad skills? |
| 17:38.43 | synic | what is 8 years? :P |
| 17:38.45 | jsmith | Yup. |
| 17:38.51 | jsmith | synic: A decent start. |
| 17:38.55 | synic | haha |
| 17:39.11 | wps | or, in other words, senior = experience |
| 17:39.13 | thebigdog | synic mid |
| 17:39.36 | thebigdog | yeah in 3-5 years you can work on 1 - 2 major projects |
| 17:40.27 | thebigdog | cause you need to do the entire lifecycle and not one part of it |
| 17:40.27 | jsmith | thebigdog: Amen! |
| 17:44.16 | macnewbold | thebigdog: I agree on the major projects, and seeing the entire life cycle of it, |
| 17:44.31 | macnewbold | but 3-5 years = 1-2 major projects isn't true in a consulting-type job |
| 17:45.35 | macnewbold | in 5+ years doing contract/consulting web development work, I've worked with easily over 50 projects from start to finish, at least 20 of those I'd classify as major |
| 17:46.56 | macnewbold | regarding the titles, if the head guy on the team has 3-5 years experience, and nobody else has any more than him, then "senior" might be the right way to title him, or at least "lead" |
| 17:47.59 | tierra | thebigdog: what if you're one of 2 programmers who have been on a project since startup, and have the most experience and knowledge of the software... someone has to be the "senior" at the company, but both programmers don't have more than 4 years experience (3 of which are done at the company) :) |
| 17:48.12 | tierra | macnewbold beat me to the punch |
| 17:52.54 | tierra | macnewbold: also, I didn't see it mentioned anywhere that he was specifically talking about a consulting-type job |
| 17:53.47 | tierra | but I don't think that makes much of a difference, the basis is still on years of experience in the field |
| 17:55.52 | macnewbold | yes and know |
| 17:55.57 | macnewbold | s/know/no/ |
| 17:56.00 | dataw0lf | not just on years in the field, but the specific field and what exactly you accomplished |
| 17:56.49 | macnewbold | the field makes a difference, but 10 years working on building and maintaining a single project, or even two or three projects, just gives you a lot of experience with the thing you'd run into in those projects |
| 17:56.56 | tierra | that's what I meant by "in the field" |
| 17:56.56 | dataw0lf | you can spend 4 or 5 years working on one project and still barely qualify as a mid level developer |
| 17:56.56 | macnewbold | i.e. really deep experience |
| 17:57.16 | macnewbold | if you do lots of projects from start to finish, that gives you really broad experience |
| 17:57.38 | dataw0lf | which is much more of a requirement for senior / lead positions |
| 17:57.47 | dataw0lf | you want jr - mid devs to have deep experience |
| 17:57.49 | macnewbold | if you do lots of projects from start to finish _and_ keep maintaining a lot of them for a long period of time, that gives you depth, and breadth |
| 17:57.57 | macnewbold | another key thing is experience building a project |
| 17:58.08 | macnewbold | vs experience maintaining/evolving/enhancing a project |
| 17:58.11 | dataw0lf | team development |
| 17:58.23 | macnewbold | team experience really makes a big difference too |
| 17:58.34 | dataw0lf | yar, huge difference |
| 17:58.58 | dataw0lf | too... much... agreement... with... mac |
| 17:59.33 | macnewbold | for me personally, I feel like in 5+ years doing what I'm doing (lots of projects, building and maintenance, working as a team, for many different clients) it has given me more experience than I would have gotten in 20 years working with any single client of ours, excepting the design/marketing agencies |
| 17:59.47 | macnewbold | but they're basically the same business model as us - not doing internal work, but doing work for clients |
| 18:00.21 | macnewbold | and when hiring people, it's not how long they've been doing it so much as what they've been doing during that time, how broad their experience was, that makes a bigger difference |
| 18:00.39 | macnewbold | with broad experience you just have a whole lot more opportunities to run into problems and learn how to solve them |
| 18:03.50 | dataw0lf | here's an analogy I like to use when I talk to my devs about having a broad base of knowledge over a specific indepth knowledge |
| 18:04.12 | dataw0lf | you can go out and buy yourself an alienware gaming machine |
| 18:04.21 | dataw0lf | it does everything right, nice machine |
| 18:04.35 | dataw0lf | or, you can go out and get all the individual parts yourself |
| 18:04.47 | dataw0lf | while I might not be able to make a super duper gaming machine |
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| 18:04.55 | dataw0lf | I can make all different types of boxes |
| 18:05.04 | dataw0lf | because I know how each individual part works |
| 18:05.05 | tierra | though that is also why the specific field matters heavily... you do web design, thus you're likely to do work with many clients, and will continue to do so in your field no matter who you're working for... I write software, and unless it's game development, it's usually one program through a possible 5-10 year lifecycle... I'm much less likely to be doing contract work for multiple clients while working for one company |
| 18:05.05 | Lone_Wanderer | Me too. |
| 18:05.07 | dataw0lf | their function |
| 18:05.13 | Lone_Wanderer | I can make wooden boxes, metal boxes... |
| 18:05.16 | dataw0lf | which manufacturer is better |
| 18:05.17 | dataw0lf | etc |
| 18:05.26 | dataw0lf | so, perhaps I don't know everything about PHP (I surely don't) |
| 18:05.42 | dataw0lf | but I have knowledge about the HTTP protocol, web servers, security, development in general, etc |
| 18:05.49 | dataw0lf | and I combine these to make something that is greater than the whole |
| 18:06.15 | tierra | my experience is less based on how many clients I've done work with, and more based on what components of the software I've overseen and manage |
| 18:06.16 | dataw0lf | so when devs complain to me about me having them learn the Linux command line, I just point out my analogy |
| 18:06.33 | dataw0lf | I'm certainly not saying it's better to have broad knowledge over indepth knowledge, especially in some fields |
| 18:06.53 | macnewbold | right |
| 18:06.57 | dataw0lf | but, personally, I think I produce much better products, and in the end, make myself more marketable. |
| 18:07.05 | dataw0lf | by having such broad knowledge. |
| 18:07.29 | macnewbold | in-depth knowledge is less likely to apply to other areas, but if you're staying in the same area, and don't really need the breadth, there's no replacement for the depth |
| 18:07.36 | dataw0lf | certainly |
| 18:07.36 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: I agree too |
| 18:07.50 | dataw0lf | especially in a lead position |
| 18:07.58 | dataw0lf | because I help streamline the process |
| 18:08.10 | dataw0lf | I can talk intelligently with our company's sys admins and net admins |
| 18:08.11 | macnewbold | it's kind of like getting a degree in computer science - it teaches you all sorts of broad things, and some in-depth things too, but it is valuable even if you're not using the in-depth knowledge every day |
| 18:08.21 | dataw0lf | help secure websites and help devs learn about securing websites |
| 18:08.29 | dataw0lf | and it's much easier to learn new technologies |
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| 18:08.47 | macnewbold | by knowing how to build a compiler, operating system, TCP/IP stack, http server or client, peer-to-peer system, etc. helps in unexpected ways in web development |
| 18:08.48 | dataw0lf | macnewbold: agreed. |
| 18:08.56 | dataw0lf | indeed. |
| 18:09.08 | macnewbold | wow, this is a first... dataw0lf and I seem to be totally on the same page :-D |
| 18:09.11 | dataw0lf | compare my learning curve on AJAX and JavaScript as compared to a PHP focused dev |
| 18:09.12 | macnewbold | I feel smart now |
| 18:09.18 | dataw0lf | I feel super smrt |
| 18:09.48 | dataw0lf | since I knew HTTP, server side mechanics, etc, it's much easier for me to pick up AJAX |
| 18:10.16 | dataw0lf | and then help devs pick it up |
| 18:10.22 | macnewbold | the fact that I've learned to be proficient in at least 5 other languages (I think?) doesn't have a huge effect on my php programming, but it helps me pick up JS, AJAX, PHP5, etc much faster |
| 18:10.25 | tierra | this isn't much of a surprise that you're both on the same page :) |
| 18:10.29 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:10.43 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 18:11.17 | dataw0lf | I much prefer general knowledge of IT over specific knowledge, although I specialize in a few areas |
| 18:11.29 | dataw0lf | I obviously don't know GUI widget sets or C++ nearly as well as tierra here |
| 18:11.35 | macnewbold | amen |
| 18:11.41 | macnewbold | and i don't want to know them |
| 18:11.46 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 18:11.47 | dataw0lf | amen! |
| 18:12.22 | tierra | it's a dirty job, someone has to do it :) |
| 18:12.47 | dataw0lf | and you're a dirty man! |
| 18:12.48 | dataw0lf | perfect fit. |
| 18:13.19 | tierra | though I don't doubt dataw0lf's knowledge of C/C++ is equivalent to mine... maybe just doesn't have the GUI design experience |
| 18:13.40 | dataw0lf | nah, I'm sure you could school me in the STL |
| 18:14.54 | tierra | when I have some Boost libs down, then I feel I can claim a thorough knowledge of C++ |
| 18:19.57 | dataw0lf | well, at least you're not jumping the gun in claiming EXPERTISEOMGONE! |
| 18:22.28 | macnewbold | boost is a mess |
| 18:22.39 | macnewbold | we used it once up at the UofU on something, |
| 18:22.59 | macnewbold | and we had a single token/identifier that took more than a page to print out |
| 18:23.05 | macnewbold | darn templates |
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| 18:42.34 | tierra | depends on the library you're using, and how you're using it... our use of Boost here is going to fix so many of our current problems |
| 18:46.14 | macnewbold | yeah, it's true |
| 18:46.20 | tierra | we're specifically interested in the date_time, signals, test, and smart_ptr libraries... and touch on some of the others very lightly |
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| 18:46.56 | mgeary | ahoy, me hearties! |
| 18:52.03 | wps | welcome, michael |
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| 18:58.18 | thebigdog | sorry was gone...quick meeting |
| 18:59.12 | thebigdog | i think the discussion was covered pretty good...my big thing with senior guys is that they better know tons of stuff and well |
| 18:59.31 | thebigdog | i dont by any means claim to be a senior guy...i still need to learn a lot |
| 19:00.10 | thebigdog | i do think you can be a senior developer on a project...but that does not entitle one to be an over senior developer |
| 19:01.57 | dataw0lf | tierra: I've heard many a good thing about boost.test |
| 19:02.47 | dataw0lf | looks purty simple to use too |
| 19:03.33 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: do you have facebook? |
| 19:03.55 | dataw0lf | yea, but I have like one friend on it and never use it |
| 19:04.01 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 19:04.02 | dataw0lf | in fact, I should login to see what's up |
| 19:04.15 | dataw0lf | I use LinkedIn and MySpace, all I need |
| 19:04.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe I should just ignore this post by my niece. |
| 19:04.36 | dataw0lf | ooh ooh |
| 19:04.39 | dataw0lf | something to argue about? |
| 19:04.42 | Lone_Wanderer | About how great the President is. |
| 19:04.43 | dataw0lf | I'm there |
| 19:04.48 | Lone_Wanderer | http://byu.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=2229001673 |
| 19:05.31 | Lone_Wanderer | "The troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have volunteered to serve, and in many cases have died for your freedom. There is currently no draft in this country. They didn't have to go." |
| 19:05.44 | mgeary | oh yes they did |
| 19:05.51 | mgeary | did they sign up *before* the war? |
| 19:06.11 | mgeary | just trying telling your c.o. that you think you'll sit this one out |
| 19:06.29 | beandog | heh |
| 19:06.41 | Lone_Wanderer | "They are able to refuse to go and end up with either a ''general'' discharge, an ''other than honorable'' discharge or, worst case scenario, a ''dishonorable'' discharge after a few days in the brig." |
| 19:06.58 | thebigdog | few months |
| 19:07.02 | thebigdog | :) |
| 19:08.03 | thebigdog | if i ever go in the service...i want to be a warrant officer |
| 19:08.53 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: you on it? |
| 19:13.07 | tierra | dataw0lf: yeah, we already have some pretty jawesome unit testing built into our new backend scheduling library using boost.test |
| 19:13.22 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: already made my first post |
| 19:13.23 | dataw0lf | working on my second |
| 19:14.51 | Lone_Wanderer | yay |
| 19:15.11 | dataw0lf | second post posted |
| 19:19.27 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet, you rule |
| 19:20.42 | dataw0lf | k, one last post |
| 19:20.42 | Lone_Wanderer | I posted Daily KOS's 14 articles of impeachment, in brief. |
| 19:22.00 | dataw0lf | done. |
| 19:22.05 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 19:22.12 | dataw0lf | I could do that all day. |
| 19:22.20 | Lone_Wanderer | :) |
| 19:22.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Her Dad works in the Pentagon. |
| 19:23.41 | Lone_Wanderer | lunchtime |
| 19:25.08 | dataw0lf | oh, what, the Pentagon that has been diverging funds to Air Force and Navy contracts while leaving the Army and Marine's asses to hang in the wind with NO BODY ARMOR? I can see where she gets her awesome sense of morals. |
| 19:29.44 | dataw0lf | err |
| 19:29.44 | dataw0lf | eye |
| 19:29.48 | dataw0lf | and your good idea, whatever that may be! |
| 19:29.55 | mindjuju | good thing you told me, didn't feel it |
| 19:30.03 | dataw0lf | hmph |
| 19:30.09 | mindjuju | heh |
| 19:30.25 | mindjuju | i wonder if they make police lights that can be activated via USB |
| 19:33.56 | mindjuju | hmmm... this one runs on batteries and batteries provide DC current http://cgi.ebay.com/Red-Revolving-rotating-disco-Party-Light-NIB-BO_W0QQitemZ260087938155QQihZ016QQcategoryZ3201QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 19:34.13 | mindjuju | i wonder if one could use the power from USB to power this |
| 19:41.18 | wps | man, eBay is almost as much of a visual cesspool as myspace |
| 19:42.53 | wps | I don't understand why they don't spend a little money on design |
| 19:42.56 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 19:43.10 | macnewbold | it's now stuck as part of their "brand" |
| 19:43.19 | mindjuju | yup |
| 19:43.23 | wps | yeah… unfortunately |
| 19:43.27 | macnewbold | that, and it's the users that make it ugly half of the time |
| 19:43.32 | wps | yup |
| 19:43.47 | wps | tragic |
| 19:44.18 | wps | ~lart eBay |
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| 19:52.56 | mindjuju | AMAZING!!!! |
| 19:53.07 | mindjuju | return of the rabbit ears! - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=HT24737&cat=CON |
| 19:59.18 | beandog | I know, I never thought we'd see the day. |
| 20:01.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, they're HDTV rabbit ears?/ |
| 20:03.08 | macnewbold | it's amazing how much better signal you can get with just a better antenna |
| 20:03.19 | beandog | sure beats paying $80/mo just to get basic HDTV from comcast. |
| 20:03.20 | macnewbold | of course, this all only applies to over-the-air signals |
| 20:03.37 | mindjuju | yeah, isn't that hilarious |
| 20:03.38 | beandog | with their craptastic settop box |
| 20:03.43 | macnewbold | rabbit ears won't help improve your signal from your cable/satellite provider |
| 20:03.44 | mindjuju | rabbit ears for HDTV |
| 20:03.48 | beandog | wow it is really snowing out there now |
| 20:04.01 | macnewbold | snow goes away when you get good rabbit ears |
| 20:04.15 | wps | ba-dump… ching! |
| 20:04.40 | mindjuju | i wonder if that means that in 40 years when we have 3d TVs, if rabbit ears will come back then |
| 20:05.28 | macnewbold | if you think about it, your little satellite dish is just a more efficient shaped antenna than a rabbit ear design |
| 20:08.33 | wps | what is it when you're not thinking about it? |
| 20:08.48 | wps | wait… wait… I got it |
| 20:08.53 | wps | ~wedgie, wps |
| 20:09.11 | macnewbold | ~wedgie wps the right way |
| 20:09.16 | jbot | ACTION hangs wps the right way from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 20:10.38 | wps | ~kiss uphpu |
| 20:10.41 | jbot | ACTION forces uphpu to give eco a big kiss on the hand |
| 20:11.01 | wps | jbot, are you drunk? |
| 20:12.39 | wps | clients who don't pay suck |
| 20:12.57 | macnewbold | amen |
| 20:13.14 | wps | I wish we were in the wild west and I could just ride over with a shotgun |
| 20:13.18 | macnewbold | I think dataw0lf knows some people that might be able to apply the right kind of persuasion, if you catch my drift |
| 20:14.23 | Lone_Wanderer | If I weren't in the same state as you, I'd offer to do it. |
| 20:14.38 | jsmith | wps: We could "remind" them to pay their bill every so often, with a friendly phone call |
| 20:14.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm always afraid, if I offer this kind of thing for someone near me, something might actually happen to the "target" and then I'd look super guilty. |
| 20:14.51 | macnewbold | or a few hundred emails each day... |
| 20:15.17 | wps | bring his email to it's knees :) |
| 20:15.18 | wps | I like it |
| 20:16.56 | wps | would you guys have a hard time reporting to someone younger then you? |
| 20:17.51 | jsmith | I would. Especially if I were smarter |
| 20:18.05 | mindjuju | yeah, was going to say that I don't mind reporting to smarter people |
| 20:18.25 | wps | my two designers are older then me and I think it bothers one of them |
| 20:18.36 | Lone_Wanderer | It doesn't matter to me how old they are in general |
| 20:18.42 | Lone_Wanderer | as long as they're good at what they do |
| 20:18.50 | wps | I don't think I would mind as long as the fella was qualified |
| 20:18.51 | jsmith | It's not the age... it's the mileage |
| 20:18.55 | Lone_Wanderer | bonus points if they listen when I alert them to issues |
| 20:19.28 | mindjuju | wps, i'd prolly say something to smooth out the situation. Like "When my daughter grows up, she'll replace me as your boss" |
| 20:19.43 | mindjuju | that should everything all better |
| 20:19.43 | Lone_Wanderer | rofl that'd be great |
| 20:19.53 | Lone_Wanderer | especially if he's got issues with women in power |
| 20:20.00 | mindjuju | yup |
| 20:36.27 | dataw0lf | wps: I'll get your payment for you, I'll just charge you 10%.... |
| 20:36.42 | wps | that's fine… 90% is better then -% |
| 20:36.54 | wps | s/-%/0%/ |
| 20:36.55 | dataw0lf | client info plz |
| 20:41.13 | mindjuju | macnewbold |
| 20:41.21 | macnewbold | mindjuju: |
| 20:41.38 | mindjuju | yesterday in the IRC, you said your vote was for thanksgiving point, right? |
| 20:42.15 | wps | ~wedgie, attask's horrific UI |
| 20:42.19 | wps | ~wedgie attask's horrific UI |
| 20:42.21 | jbot | ACTION hangs attask's horrific UI from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 20:42.26 | wps | ~wedgie @task's horrific UI |
| 20:42.27 | jbot | ACTION hangs @task's horrific UI from the flag pole by his underwear |
| 20:42.28 | macnewbold | yeah, closer is better for me, at least this time around |
| 20:43.02 | mindjuju | k, so here is a philosophical question |
| 20:43.22 | mindjuju | should a person be allowed to vote for many choices? |
| 20:43.34 | mindjuju | or should i take just their last vote? |
| 20:43.57 | wps | depends on which party they belong to |
| 20:44.11 | wps | are you worried about hanging chads? |
| 20:44.21 | wps | can you tell it's friday? |
| 20:44.32 | mindjuju | well, here is how the vote is sitting |
| 20:44.43 | mindjuju | w - 6 (multivote) |
| 20:45.04 | mindjuju | tp - 3 votes |
| 20:45.12 | mindjuju | sorry, tp has 3 multivotes |
| 20:45.25 | mindjuju | so that means that some of those voters voted on several things |
| 20:46.34 | mindjuju | everything else has less |
| 20:47.08 | mindjuju | i think multivote this time is going to have the rule cause otherwise it's goign to get even more confusing |
| 20:47.13 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 20:47.29 | macnewbold | next time just give everyone 5 points, and they can put their points where and how they please |
| 20:47.40 | macnewbold | or 3 points, or 10 points, or whatever |
| 20:47.50 | mindjuju | how bout just 1 point |
| 20:47.55 | mindjuju | that's how i likes it |
| 20:47.57 | mindjuju | 1 point |
| 20:47.59 | mindjuju | easy |
| 20:48.01 | macnewbold | or have people rank them as favorite, 2nd, etc. |
| 20:48.09 | mindjuju | wps voted exactly 1 time |
| 20:48.12 | macnewbold | okay, in other words, pick one and stick with it |
| 20:48.13 | macnewbold | me too |
| 20:48.14 | mindjuju | i voted exactly 1 time |
| 20:48.21 | mindjuju | macnewbold voted exactly 1 time |
| 20:48.26 | wps | we are superior |
| 20:48.31 | mindjuju | what's with the multivote? |
| 20:48.34 | macnewbold | jbot: voted exactly one time |
| 20:48.49 | *** join/#uphpu bradym (n=bradym@c-67-166-113-87.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 20:49.25 | dataw0lf | bradym: how goes it? |
| 20:49.56 | bradym | pretty good.. staying busy trying to get stuff done before moving to CA :) |
| 20:51.21 | mindjuju | well, i'm running out of time on this and need to finish a project today, so i'm going to go with the multivote winner which is Wallaby's |
| 20:52.13 | mindjuju | lindon, from what i can tell, appears to be some kind of suburb to Orem, so the person who voted for Orem should be happy. |
| 20:52.26 | mindjuju | course though, that's deep in the heart of Happy Valley |
| 20:56.11 | dataw0lf | bradym: when you moving? |
| 20:56.39 | bradym | dataw0lf: week of the 12th, my first day is the 19th |
| 20:57.03 | dataw0lf | yay!! |
| 20:57.08 | dataw0lf | did the offer rock? |
| 20:58.11 | mindjuju | what the?!? - http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-6161760.html |
| 20:58.29 | bradym | pretty much.. they even threw in $1,000 to help with moving costs after i just asked if it was available :) |
| 20:58.41 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 20:58.47 | dataw0lf | how cool was the HQ office? |
| 21:00.48 | bradym | i think they might have taken you to some secret awesome office or something.. cause it was nice, but not that great.. your standard cubicle land with some conference rooms |
| 21:01.16 | bradym | everyone was really nice though |
| 21:02.51 | mindjuju | beandog , you around? |
| 21:03.52 | dataw0lf | which floor did you go to? |
| 21:04.08 | dataw0lf | top floor has the kitchen and open bar |
| 21:06.10 | dataw0lf | I guess I was just enthralled with all the free beer and food |
| 21:06.10 | dataw0lf | it's the way to my heart |
| 21:06.44 | bradym | i was on the 8th floor, i believe that's the top floor... didn't go to the kitchen.. i was too nervous to want do deal with food ;) |
| 21:07.00 | dataw0lf | ah |
| 21:07.04 | dataw0lf | well they have this kitchen off to the right |
| 21:07.14 | dataw0lf | with a large balcony that overlooks the Bay area |
| 21:07.18 | dataw0lf | and bunches of free food |
| 21:07.21 | dataw0lf | and sodas |
| 21:07.23 | dataw0lf | and juices |
| 21:07.26 | dataw0lf | and, beer |
| 21:07.43 | dataw0lf | did you notice how almost everyone who works there is good looking? |
| 21:08.07 | Lone_Wanderer | where is it? |
| 21:08.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Google? |
| 21:08.37 | wps | that's how it is at my sole proprietorship |
| 21:09.11 | bradym | dataw0lf: yeah, i did notice that |
| 21:09.34 | bradym | Lone_Wanderer: QuinStreet - where i'll be working starting next month, thanks to dataw0lf |
| 21:10.14 | mindjuju | hey, who here does any type of online streaming of mp3s ? |
| 21:10.44 | dataw0lf | wps: rofl |
| 21:10.45 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh, cool |
| 21:10.52 | wps | glad someone got it |
| 21:11.08 | Lone_Wanderer | wps: I got it, I just didn't type out my laughter. |
| 21:11.24 | dataw0lf | bradym: wasn't me, was you bro |
| 21:11.43 | dataw0lf | I just wanted more smart people here :) |
| 21:11.59 | bradym | lol |
| 21:12.25 | bradym | dataw0lf: so i've been meaning to ask you, how did you find my website anyway? |
| 21:13.13 | dataw0lf | ha |
| 21:13.21 | dataw0lf | don't doubt the powers of dataw0lf |
| 21:13.35 | dataw0lf | anyone who comes into any IRC channel I'm in I do a quick recon on |
| 21:14.54 | bradym | i've been trying to figure out how you found my page, cause it's not listed on the uphpu website since the user profiles aren't there anymore, and at the time i didn't have it linked to my nickname via nickserv |
| 21:18.28 | Utah_Dave | bradym: are they paying you enough to afford to live in the Bay Area in something bigger than a cardboard box? |
| 21:19.14 | Utah_Dave | :) I worked there on a short term project a few years ago and renting a small studio apt. was like $1000/month |
| 21:20.48 | bradym | Utah_Dave: Yeah, I've been looking at stuff on craigslist and I've seen some stuff around $800 - $900 /month. I'm looking down in Palo Alto area as it's the cheapest part of the peninsula and not too far from Foster City, no way I would try to live right in Foster City though.. |
| 21:21.22 | dataw0lf | yea, FC is expensive as hell |
| 21:21.25 | bradym | I should be fine with what they are paying :) |
| 21:21.42 | dataw0lf | I might be moving out there this summer, though |
| 21:21.57 | Utah_Dave | My dad's office in Foster city is like $150,000/month just for their office space |
| 21:22.09 | bradym | dataw0lf: yeah? you moving to HQ? |
| 21:22.40 | dataw0lf | I'll still be with the Inkle team, although Aaron seems to be set in enveloping me into HQ |
| 21:22.59 | dataw0lf | but yea, might be working out of the corporate offices |
| 21:23.14 | dataw0lf | I'm definitely going out there around the time you'll start working |
| 21:23.14 | dataw0lf | for team building |
| 21:23.56 | bradym | cool :) |
| 21:24.13 | wps | dang, mindjuju, I don't know if I can make the lunch if it's at 2 |
| 21:24.17 | wps | s/2/1/ |
| 21:24.22 | wps | I have a meeting at 2:00 |
| 21:24.57 | macnewbold | 12:30pm? |
| 21:24.58 | dataw0lf | bradym: just to give you an idea on how I could find your site, google bradym utah, bookexchange.usu.edu has your website listed |
| 21:25.18 | wps | 12:30 could work |
| 21:28.08 | bradym | dataw0lf: ok.. i'm officially stupid for not having thought of that.. |
| 21:28.17 | dataw0lf | DCC SEND TESTTESTTESTTESTTESTTESTTEST |
| 21:28.17 | dataw0lf | hmph |
| 21:28.22 | dataw0lf | bradym: ;-) |
| 21:28.44 | dataw0lf | I'm a master of tracking people down and finding their weaknesses. Part and parcel of being a really good troll, I guess. |
| 21:29.11 | dataw0lf | but yea, you always google for their nick and their state if you don't have their real name |
| 21:29.21 | dataw0lf | then you can try uber cool IP trackdowns and stuff |
| 21:31.33 | wps | there is a place in the current UPHPU website member profiles for your website |
| 21:32.58 | bradym | there is? i must have missed it |
| 21:33.28 | wps | example: http://uphpu.org/author/dave/ |
| 21:35.05 | dataw0lf | I need my website set to http://stderr.ws plz |
| 21:36.12 | wps | if I'm going to change it for you, I want my mercenary rate decreased to %5 |
| 21:36.21 | dataw0lf | 8% |
| 21:36.28 | wps | 5% |
| 21:36.34 | dataw0lf | 7% |
| 21:36.48 | wps | 5% |
| 21:37.02 | dataw0lf | 5% it is |
| 21:37.05 | wps | sweet |
| 21:37.07 | dataw0lf | you got some jewish in you, wps |
| 21:37.09 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 21:37.18 | wps | I don't think so |
| 21:37.38 | dataw0lf | hm, surprising. |
| 21:37.53 | wps | done |
| 21:37.54 | Lone_Wanderer | DW |
| 21:37.59 | Lone_Wanderer | are you an anti-Dentite? |
| 21:38.00 | dataw0lf | word |
| 21:38.06 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 21:38.10 | dataw0lf | nice seinfeld reference |
| 21:38.20 | Lone_Wanderer | I love that episode. |
| 21:38.34 | dataw0lf | I just like feeding into racial and religious stereotypes because it incites rage |
| 21:38.42 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: no, not the 'crappy' band |
| 21:38.45 | dataw0lf | thank you very much |
| 21:39.06 | Lone_Wanderer | I wrote a paper in my freshman writing class about how maybe Israel doesn't have the moral high ground and maybe Palestinians are having their rights trampled on |
| 21:39.17 | dataw0lf | I like the maybes in there |
| 21:39.21 | Lone_Wanderer | and got rabidly accused of being a Jew h ater |
| 21:39.25 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 21:39.28 | dataw0lf | they love to do that |
| 21:39.37 | dataw0lf | OH SO YOU'RE A NAZI, OY? |
| 21:39.54 | dataw0lf | no, I'm just anti hegemony, thank you |
| 21:39.56 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah. |
| 21:40.00 | Lone_Wanderer | What does hegemony mean anyway? |
| 21:40.22 | dataw0lf | the dominance of one culture/nation/religion over another |
| 21:40.27 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 21:40.45 | dataw0lf | until all perspectives become skewed to favor the dominant group |
| 21:41.06 | dataw0lf | "history is written by the victor" and all that |
| 21:41.10 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: no, not you |
| 21:41.22 | dataw0lf | see how I completely preempt all of mindjuju's jokes now |
| 21:42.00 | Lone_Wanderer | lol, I just got that one now |
| 21:42.38 | dataw0lf | I see all vectors of rebuttal and humor before they're even introduced! |
| 21:43.10 | Lone_Wanderer | You can SEE the matrix |
| 21:43.15 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: no s/vectors/victors danke |
| 21:43.26 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 21:44.21 | dataw0lf | oh, are they eating right now? |
| 21:46.04 | Lone_Wanderer | is today the geek lunch? |
| 21:46.42 | dataw0lf | ya |
| 21:47.05 | Lone_Wanderer | ohhh |
| 21:47.10 | Lone_Wanderer | we had our own mini geek lunch |
| 21:47.19 | dataw0lf | who? |
| 21:47.24 | Lone_Wanderer | speaking of food, I need to get in shape. I am becoming grosse. |
| 21:47.35 | Lone_Wanderer | the people I work with |
| 21:47.39 | Lone_Wanderer | and swb was spotted |
| 21:49.15 | dataw0lf | I saw a girl I know at breakfast this morning, right? |
| 21:49.23 | dataw0lf | she's a pretty funny girl |
| 21:49.26 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 21:49.28 | dataw0lf | (pretty good looking too) |
| 21:49.34 | dataw0lf | she comes over, smiles |
| 21:49.38 | dataw0lf | I'm like what's up! |
| 21:49.51 | dataw0lf | and she starts humping my leg |
| 21:49.55 | dataw0lf | just kidding |
| 21:49.56 | dataw0lf | I wish |
| 21:49.58 | dataw0lf | :\ |
| 21:51.29 | bradym | lol |
| 21:51.29 | bradym | ~lart dataw0lf |
| 21:51.29 | Lone_Wanderer | dork :p |
| 21:51.29 | dataw0lf | it happened with a dog I saw the other day though |
| 21:51.29 | dataw0lf | so I thought it wasn't a huge jump |
| 21:51.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Well, you said the girl is cute. |
| 21:51.50 | dataw0lf | haha |
| 21:51.57 | dataw0lf | nice lart under the circumstances |
| 21:52.08 | bradym | lol - from a dog humping someone's leg to a cute girl humping your leg? that's quite the jump |
| 21:53.41 | dataw0lf | not for me |
| 21:54.37 | Lone_Wanderer | well, when I was in grade school, we called ugly girls "dogs" |
| 21:57.13 | dataw0lf | all girls are beautiful in their own way |
| 21:57.45 | dataw0lf | course, I tend to like girls who're beautiful in my way |
| 21:58.30 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't know if I would say "all". |
| 21:58.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Because some unattractive girls are also vicious and cruel. |
| 21:59.15 | bradym | very true |
| 21:59.36 | Lone_Wanderer | and lacking in confidence* |
| 22:01.19 | *** join/#uphpu dragonleech (n=jason@cg.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 22:20.21 | thebigdog | anyone use a javascript calendar popup? |
| 22:20.39 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 22:23.20 | macnewbold | thebigdog: jscalendar rocks |
| 22:24.02 | thebigdog | cool thanks mac |
| 22:30.10 | *** join/#uphpu dataw0lf (n=stderr@stderr.ws) |
| 22:31.35 | *** join/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=boucha@c-67-182-239-240.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:31.35 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+o Utah_Dave] by ChanServ |
| 22:31.54 | *** mode/#UPHPU [+v dataw0lf] by ChanServ |
| 22:40.04 | *** part/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=boucha@c-67-182-239-240.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 22:50.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Welcome to the Afternoon Slump. I'll be your host today. Features include dropping metabolic rates and increasing difficulty paying attention. |
| 22:50.48 | mindjuju | here i'm gearing up to do battle with company administrators gone wild |
| 22:51.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm going to take a brisk walk about the complex. |
| 22:52.05 | synic | I already had my afternoon slump. |
| 22:52.07 | synic | it went away |
| 22:52.09 | synic | things are good. |
| 22:57.50 | mindjuju | wow, FUD to the Nth degree - http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,129340-c,google/article.html |
| 22:58.20 | mindjuju | of course, this paragraph that explains everything is more than half way down |
| 22:58.20 | mindjuju | Because this type of attack is so difficult to pull off and is poorly understood, it is unlikely to be used by the criminals any time soon, Grossman said. But anti-DNS pinning shouldn't be ignored, he added. "We should keep our eyes on it in case the bad guys shift gears." |
| 23:07.06 | Lone_Wanderer | "Anti-DNS pinning is an emerging area of security research, understood by just a handful of researchers" - they make it sound so mysterious and stuff |
| 23:08.02 | macnewbold | if the stuff is done over SSL, then even changing the dns doesn't work |
| 23:08.11 | macnewbold | unless they've also stolen google's private key to their ssl cert |
| 23:08.55 | Lone_Wanderer | I just think it's potentially misleading to say that "just a handfull" of people understand the attack. |
| 23:09.29 | macnewbold | and if you're sending something without ssl, then you can't care about its confidentiality |
| 23:09.55 | Lone_Wanderer | DNS is a simple enough system, if you posted an explanation of it on a site that a lot of people read, the number of people that understand it would increase rapidly. |
| 23:11.46 | timinator | I'm outie... have a great weekend everyone |
| 23:11.57 | Lone_Wanderer | later |