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| 13:01.43 | mindjuju | for those of you who like techno, DI.fm DJ mixes is playing some good stuff |
| 13:09.24 | timinator | that's one way to wake up |
| 13:16.25 | mindjuju | like it? |
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| 15:01.34 | mindjuju | wow, it's a good thing i never really cared much for HD TV on my computer - http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_nvidia_hdcp_support/default.asp |
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| 17:23.09 | tierra | mindjuju: that HDCP article feeds on FUD... |
| 17:23.09 | mindjuju | is it FUD? |
| 17:23.25 | tierra | Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt |
| 17:23.37 | mindjuju | yeah, know what FUD is, but didn't know if it was or not |
| 17:24.01 | tierra | looks like it to me... |
| 17:24.23 | mindjuju | don't pay as much attention to hardware as I did a long time ago |
| 17:24.50 | tierra | if it was that serious of a problem, DVD manufacturers wouldn't end up using HDCP protection |
| 17:25.30 | tierra | second, HDCP has already been torn apart and broken, I highly doubt it will be much of a problem even if it was correct |
| 17:25.46 | mindjuju | have they hacked it already? |
| 17:26.00 | tierra | there have been claims (without published research) |
| 17:27.00 | mindjuju | i think HDTV would prove problematic for my SAN as I don't have THAT much space. I can afford between 700mb - 1.4g for a rip of a DVD that I have, but that is about it. |
| 17:27.13 | mindjuju | can't imagine what HDTV would look like file size |
| 17:27.45 | dataw0lf | man, you need what we in the technical business call 'more hard drives' |
| 17:28.26 | beandog | what article? |
| 17:28.40 | beandog | HDTV files are huge |
| 17:28.42 | tierra | http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_nvidia_hdcp_support/default.asp |
| 17:29.02 | mindjuju | yeah, thought they'd prolly be huge |
| 17:29.30 | beandog | oh no, not another article stretched against 25 pages. |
| 17:29.49 | mindjuju | there was one article i was reading that I think makes a lot of sense. it was saying in HDTV, sure you can count the number of hairs in Gandolf's beard, but after the movies starts, are you still counting |
| 17:30.05 | mindjuju | bigger is better for me, i think |
| 17:31.11 | tierra | also, I'd be cheering for any hardware manufacturer refusing to comply with HDCP compatability, the more doing it, the better |
| 17:31.18 | beandog | personally, I dont see what the point of watching hi-def on your computer is. |
| 17:31.21 | beandog | Just get a TV |
| 17:31.51 | beandog | tierra: Ive heard stories of firmware being broken and it not even working correctly, and people can't even notice. |
| 17:31.55 | mindjuju | true that, though I don't think Vista is trying to stifle you from watching hi def on your compy as much as stopping people from ripping hi def |
| 17:32.05 | beandog | yah |
| 17:32.06 | thebigdog | i watch tv "married with children" style |
| 17:32.07 | beandog | makes sense. |
| 17:32.15 | beandog | just use ffmpeg |
| 17:32.21 | beandog | it supports some new codec, I was just reading |
| 17:32.36 | beandog | Now FFmpeg and MPlayer support VC-1 in MPEG2-TS streams which can be found on Blu-Ray discs. |
| 17:32.40 | tierra | mindjuju: yeah, but they're hurting you in the process |
| 17:32.41 | beandog | http://codecs.multimedia.cx/?p=47 |
| 17:33.08 | mindjuju | yeah, well, i'm already hurt. cant find a darn prog that can rip all my DVD reliably |
| 17:33.18 | beandog | http://codecs.multimedia.cx/?p=46 |
| 17:33.18 | mindjuju | can't imagine how difficult it will be in the future |
| 17:33.19 | tierra | vobcopy -l |
| 17:33.20 | beandog | whoops, meant that one. |
| 17:33.22 | tierra | :) |
| 17:33.35 | beandog | whatever. |
| 17:33.58 | mindjuju | yeah, but that's just making a copy of the DVD, isn't it. so if the movie on the dvd is 4g, then that is how much space it is on my drive |
| 17:34.10 | mindjuju | i'd like it to be between 700 and 1g |
| 17:34.21 | tierra | then re-encode using mencoder |
| 17:34.25 | beandog | a hi-def movie would be much more than 4g. |
| 17:34.38 | beandog | even a regular dvd can get up to 6g |
| 17:34.59 | beandog | probably more than that |
| 17:35.02 | beandog | bah, its been too long. |
| 17:37.57 | tierra | The other part of that article that really degrades the quality of what I believe from it, is that he/she speculates a major company's true intentions based on what a customer service rep refused to tell him because they simply didn't know. |
| 17:40.23 | beandog | heh |
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| 17:48.07 | thebigdog | that's just sick and wrong |
| 17:48.44 | wps | ray, you going to make it to the meeting this week? |
| 17:49.00 | thebigdog | not sure yet...i kinda want to come |
| 17:49.58 | wps | my company's QA manager is coming |
| 17:50.01 | thebigdog | sounds pretty interesting...i've done automated testing in the past |
| 17:50.07 | thebigdog | lol |
| 17:50.07 | wps | he's excited because all of the tools being presented on he uses here every day |
| 17:50.20 | thebigdog | yeah |
| 17:52.12 | Lone_Wanderer | wps - I've been to parties like that |
| 17:52.17 | Lone_Wanderer | (everyone was kung fu fighting) |
| 17:52.30 | thebigdog | selenium is a nice too |
| 18:00.47 | dataw0lf | all I can say is that my life is pretty plain, I like watching the puddles gather raaaain |
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| 18:06.23 | Lone_Wanderer | All I can do is read a book to stay awake |
| 18:06.34 | Lone_Wanderer | and it rips my life apart but it's a great escaaa-aaape |
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| 18:10.56 | thebigdog | If you wanna spank your demons and make 'em pay |
| 18:10.56 | thebigdog | Then baby I'm your man of the hour |
| 18:11.12 | thebigdog | I know life's a bummer baby |
| 18:11.12 | thebigdog | But that's got precious little to do with me |
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| 18:28.24 | Lone_Wanderer | So, my FYOS wants to start making web pages. Is there a way to make it easy for her to do so? |
| 18:34.47 | wps | what's an FYOS? |
| 18:34.59 | Lone_Wanderer | Fifteen Year Old Sister... from User Friendly |
| 18:35.19 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought this was a widespread acronym but apparently it's not. |
| 18:35.36 | wps | what does "from User Friendly" mean? |
| 18:36.47 | wps | if she really wants to "make web pages," then it will be worth her time to learn it for real and not handicap herself with some WYSIWYG appication |
| 18:36.48 | Lone_Wanderer | userfriendly.org |
| 18:36.50 | Lone_Wanderer | the comic |
| 18:37.10 | wps | oh… never heard of it… sorry |
| 18:37.10 | wps | I would get her a |
| 18:37.20 | wps | text editor and a book |
| 18:37.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Got her a book. |
| 18:37.49 | wps | and show her how to view source |
| 18:37.53 | wps | that is the best way to learn |
| 18:38.19 | Lone_Wanderer | What I'm wondering is how to make it easy for her to edit stuff and get it on the server |
| 18:38.27 | Lone_Wanderer | without messing around with an FTP client and all that |
| 18:38.35 | wps | ah, yes, FTP sucks |
| 18:38.39 | Lone_Wanderer | I could just let her ssh in but learning an editor up front may be a bit much. |
| 18:38.56 | wps | set up an SFTP connection in an IDE |
| 18:39.06 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 18:39.10 | wps | then she can just edit the files directly on the server and won't have to copy them up after each save |
| 18:39.22 | Lone_Wanderer | Which means I need to get an IDE. That's probably the best plan. I don't want to shove a wysiwyg on her. |
| 18:39.41 | wps | or, even easier, just have her run a web server on her work station |
| 18:39.44 | Lone_Wanderer | I'll take a look at eclipse. It should have a way to highlight syntax errors. |
| 18:39.51 | wps | it does |
| 18:40.12 | Lone_Wanderer | That'd work but it means she can't show them to her friends. I'm going to give her a ~/sadie directory on my server. |
| 18:40.21 | wps | ah |
| 18:40.32 | wps | then yes, SFTP is the way to go |
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| 18:56.57 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
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| 19:44.14 | thebigdog | anyone know of a good ftp server product that has some remote administration features |
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| 19:49.58 | dataw0lf | probably looking at two separate problems there |
| 19:50.44 | _psychic_ | ~rlart |
| 19:53.33 | thebigdog | yeah...in need crappy windows feature but with security and it aint going to happen |
| 20:01.30 | mindjuju | filezilla server pretty decent |
| 20:17.54 | mindjuju | wow, this is cool! http://www.netvibes.com/ |
| 20:19.47 | fungus | Yet another portal page?? |
| 20:20.12 | mindjuju | yeah, but it's fad, hip, trendy |
| 20:20.48 | fungus | It is? again? it was a fad about 5-7 years ago too. (my.yahoo.com) |
| 20:21.33 | wps | the technology implementation is cool, but the content is not for me |
| 20:21.53 | wps | I hate web-based applications |
| 20:21.59 | fungus | agreed, their implementation is good, but I hate portal pages. |
| 20:22.26 | wps | same |
| 20:22.57 | fungus | I will say that netvibes is better than google.com/ig |
| 20:23.05 | wps | my number one pet peeve when using someone else's computer is launching their browser or opening a new tab and having to wait five minutes for some stupid page to load (that is never the one I want) |
| 20:23.16 | fungus | lol, yup |
| 20:23.18 | wps | agreed |
| 20:23.21 | mindjuju | yeah, but who here doesn't have their page set to blank? I'm just saying their tech is cool |
| 20:23.40 | wps | for sure, mindjuju… it's slick |
| 20:24.27 | wps | I wish that programmers would spend more time developing more advanced web-enabled applications and improving IP technologies |
| 20:24.39 | wps | improve RSS… improve IMAP… etc |
| 20:24.51 | wps | improve ical… |
| 20:25.01 | jsmith | improve SMTP?!? |
| 20:25.19 | wps | for sure |
| 20:25.54 | wps | instead of building every app as a web-based version… simply improve communication… instead of web-based, it should be web-enabled |
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| 20:26.12 | wps | so many want to make everything run in a web browser and I don't understand why |
| 20:26.32 | wps | they should, instead, simply be improving the way that applications communicate |
| 20:26.46 | wps | thanks for the prompting my soapbox moment, mindjuju |
| 20:27.56 | dataw0lf | everyone get ready for the botnet attack |
| 20:28.14 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Oh yeah? |
| 20:28.29 | dataw0lf | jsmith: someone's already automated the sol 10 telnet exploit |
| 20:28.50 | fungus | does sol10 run telnet by default?? |
| 20:28.53 | mindjuju | i heard recently several major dns servers were being hit ddos style |
| 20:29.34 | dataw0lf | fungus: I believe so |
| 20:29.40 | fungus | Eeek! |
| 20:30.22 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Yeah, and the world will be a better place for it... no more telnet is OK by me ;-) |
| 20:30.29 | dataw0lf | true dat |
| 20:30.32 | jsmith | mindjuju: incidents.org has a short writeup on in |
| 20:30.35 | jsmith | s/in/it/ |
| 20:30.55 | mindjuju | thx, heading that way now |
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| 20:32.16 | fungus | I still have to use telnet on some switches and other network devices. :( |
| 20:32.32 | jsmith | Yes, but *not* on a Solaris box, right? |
| 20:32.43 | fungus | hell no. |
| 20:32.48 | jsmith | And you're not leaving telnet open to the whole world, right? |
| 20:32.58 | fungus | I wouldn't open telnet on *any* server. |
| 20:33.13 | fungus | Of course not, they are on a private network. |
| 20:33.37 | jsmith | 'nuff said then |
| 20:34.27 | fungus | I can understand why protocol devs designed telnet. They didn't think about security, back in the day. |
| 20:34.48 | fungus | But why the hell did they design FTP the way they did? ick! |
| 20:35.49 | dataw0lf | FTP is, in my mind, probably the worst protocol ever implemented. |
| 20:36.08 | dataw0lf | I don't think they were really thinking of ANYTHING, except "Hyuk! Let's get dis file over der, hyuk!" |
| 20:36.16 | fungus | ROFL |
| 20:36.25 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 20:40.40 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 20:40.47 | dataw0lf | a Python telnet question just came up on one of the py lists |
| 20:40.53 | dataw0lf | presumably about ISDN dialing |
| 20:40.58 | dataw0lf | I'm, of course, suspicious |
| 20:43.14 | jsmith | I would be too... |
| 20:43.33 | jsmith | Of course, I've seen more people that usual interested in Net::Telnet the last week or so too... |
| 20:45.11 | _psychic_ | mail is the worst evar |
| 20:45.18 | dataw0lf | fungus: it works spectacularly. |
| 20:45.37 | dataw0lf | I have a working Python expect script to distribute X |
| 20:48.24 | dataw0lf | dang |
| 20:48.30 | dataw0lf | wish Panda Express had beer |
| 20:54.34 | synic | ^5 mindjuju |
| 20:54.37 | synic | good song. |
| 20:54.44 | mindjuju | fo sho! |
| 20:54.57 | mindjuju | better than that RATM stuff |
| 20:55.06 | synic | my favorite of theirs is "Home" |
| 20:59.03 | fungus | my favorite is "Somebody" |
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| 21:04.39 | dataw0lf | Depeche Mode is cool |
| 21:04.51 | dataw0lf | not as cool as RATM, however. |
| 21:05.10 | dataw0lf | gibba[w]: nah, I found out we have tequila here, so, really, I'll be beating up my boss or something |
| 21:05.40 | dataw0lf | anyone know of any small, free video streaming communities |
| 21:05.43 | dataw0lf | other than the big uns |
| 21:06.43 | dataw0lf | bradym: hey, heard they made you an offer |
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| 21:07.34 | bradym | dataw0lf: yeah, Marty is supposed to send the "official" offer today.. whatever that means.. from what he told me the other day he's waiting to find out exactly what stock options i would get |
| 21:07.44 | dataw0lf | sweet |
| 21:08.16 | bradym | i'm pretty excited :) |
| 21:08.39 | dataw0lf | I'm glad I could help, sorry they want you to be in Foster City, but, hey, it's right there in Silicon Valley |
| 21:09.36 | bradym | yeah, thanks for your help. very much appreciated! |
| 21:09.38 | Lone_Wanderer | sjansen just won several cool points for me. |
| 21:09.54 | Lone_Wanderer | For hating Java but writing good things about it anyway. |
| 21:10.01 | dataw0lf | sjansen is a fair man |
| 21:10.09 | dataw0lf | and he can destroy most of those pitted against him! |
| 21:10.16 | dataw0lf | as evidenced by numerous flames on the PLUG list |
| 21:10.25 | Lone_Wanderer | Aye. |
| 21:10.28 | dataw0lf | bradym: pssh, no skin off my back |
| 21:10.38 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm glad I got on his non-bad side when we first met. |
| 21:11.32 | dataw0lf | I always tried to get on his bad side for a while, but then a truce was struck |
| 21:17.12 | dataw0lf | mmm Amy Lee I lubs you |
| 21:17.45 | dataw0lf | lead singer for evanescence |
| 21:18.01 | dataw0lf | I don't love her as much as Shakira, but, close. |
| 21:19.08 | fungus | I saw evanescence in concert a few years ago. They suck live. |
| 21:19.55 | fungus | or at least *did* suck live (past tense) |
| 21:21.04 | dataw0lf | yea, I've seen em live, too |
| 21:21.14 | dataw0lf | I thought it was awesome cuz I almost got in stage and I could see into Amy Lee's eyes |
| 21:21.22 | dataw0lf | until I got hit by some german polizei |
| 21:21.31 | dataw0lf | s/in/on |
| 21:21.38 | _psychic_ | hit on? |
| 21:21.47 | dataw0lf | got ON stage |
| 21:25.38 | mindjuju | hey, anybody got or know of any web pages they think look great. I need some inspiration |
| 21:25.55 | macnewbold | www.gradefix.com |
| 21:26.06 | macnewbold | now in over 35 countries! ;) |
| 21:26.07 | macnewbold | </plug> |
| 21:26.14 | mindjuju | heh |
| 21:26.40 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: http://www.cssimport.com/ |
| 21:27.35 | mindjuju | that's perfect, _psychic_ thx! |
| 21:27.54 | _psychic_ | yep np |
| 21:30.05 | macnewbold | sure, reject my idea... :( |
| 21:30.17 | mindjuju | i looked at gradefix again |
| 21:30.25 | dataw0lf | gradefix.com != w3c compliance |
| 21:30.29 | mindjuju | diddn't know you had RSS ,thats cool |
| 21:34.41 | *** join/#uphpu Utah_Dave (n=boucha@rrcs-67-79-41-152.sw.biz.rr.com) |
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| 21:35.07 | macnewbold | we've almost got the iCal feeds ready to go live too |
| 21:35.26 | macnewbold | gradefix.com != w3c compliance, gradefix.com == all major browser compliance |
| 21:36.42 | dataw0lf | true dat |
| 21:38.55 | macnewbold | with MSIE in the picture, w3c compliance == broken in MSIE 6 and MSIE 7 |
| 21:38.56 | macnewbold | ;) |
| 21:39.08 | dataw0lf | yea, no kidding |
| 21:39.24 | dataw0lf | trust me, our sites ain't w3c compliant |
| 21:41.19 | _psychic_ | its not hard to have compliant sites that work in IE 6 and 7 |
| 21:52.13 | beandog | especially if they dont have any css |
| 21:52.19 | beandog | http://www.gnu.org/ |
| 21:52.29 | beandog | doh, they changed it. |
| 21:52.30 | beandog | nevermind. |
| 21:52.56 | _psychic_ | that validates, consequently |
| 21:53.54 | beandog | http://spaceparanoids.org/ |
| 22:04.47 | tierra | beandog: you should use Exaile :) |
| 22:14.59 | beandog | pfft |
| 22:15.01 | beandog | fat chance |
| 22:15.58 | beandog | although I did try exaile last week just to look at it. pretty cool. Much better than amarok. |
| 22:16.06 | beandog | gtk apps++ |
| 22:16.22 | beandog | I dont like having a big fat window for a music player though |
| 22:16.29 | beandog | so audacious fits the bill nicely. it gets out of my way |
| 22:16.39 | beandog | Besides, I wrote a custom frontend to all my music anyway |
| 22:16.52 | beandog | using tellico |
| 22:16.55 | beandog | pretty crazy stuff. |
| 22:17.10 | beandog | I'm gonna blog about it once I finish it all up, which I'm real close now |
| 22:17.26 | beandog | I should say, I wrote a custom frontend to all my music playlists. |
| 22:18.06 | tierra | I never liked many media players on linux, so when Exaile came around, I had no problems switching over :) |
| 22:18.28 | beandog | what were you using before that |
| 22:18.30 | tierra | I was using Audacious for a bit before that |
| 22:18.45 | beandog | that's cool |
| 22:18.56 | beandog | Im just glad that someone kept the winamp-clone project going. |
| 22:19.12 | beandog | since xmms is dead, and bmp turned into something completely different. |
| 22:20.00 | tierra | well, I don't think it's ever going to live up to Winamp 5 though |
| 22:20.15 | beandog | I always used winamp 3 |
| 22:20.17 | tierra | which I would prefer on every platform if I had the choice |
| 22:20.30 | beandog | wasnt 5 the one where they started adding all this funky stuff? |
| 22:20.36 | tierra | yeah, Winamp has just always been the king of media players |
| 22:20.52 | tierra | well, when not used for video, though it's not bad at that nowdays either |
| 22:21.55 | tierra | 5 added a ton of stuff... including a new skinning engine that made for a ton of new, shiny skins... but I do still use the default skin (changing up some color schemes though) |
| 22:22.13 | beandog | oh thats right |
| 22:22.20 | beandog | thats where you could have those skins like windows media player |
| 22:22.26 | beandog | which were awful to begin with. |
| 22:22.47 | tierra | yeah, I've seen a few ingenious ones though |
| 22:23.05 | beandog | I actually started playing with WMP 10 once, and it wasn't half bad. |
| 22:23.17 | beandog | For about a month, I was really into Rhapsody |
| 22:23.25 | beandog | good stuff. needs a (working) linux port. |
| 22:23.43 | beandog | yah I dont like those funky skins. Im all about simple and functional |
| 22:23.54 | beandog | no eye-candy or weird themes for me. I dont even run GLX on here. |
| 22:25.02 | tierra | which is why I still use the default, which the Winamp team consistently comes up with the most functional, clean, and intuitive default skin |
| 22:25.40 | beandog | yah |
| 22:38.31 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 22:40.11 | macnewbold | nice |
| 22:40.17 | macnewbold | bots beating up on other bots |
| 23:00.42 | macnewbold | that last one was unsatisfying... |
| 23:00.43 | macnewbold | ~rlart |
| 23:00.59 | macnewbold | boring, but effective |
| 23:01.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Star and snowflake schemas. It's really quite fascinating. |
| 23:03.35 | _psychic_ | Fascinating enough to try to write something that fits the pattern, rather then fitting the pattern for the problem? |
| 23:04.46 | Lone_Wanderer | Come again? |
| 23:04.50 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh. Right. |
| 23:05.08 | Lone_Wanderer | I just am pretty sure that I've got a problem that requires these things. |
| 23:05.23 | _psychic_ | Somewhere. |
| 23:06.02 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah, it might be out in the garage, but I know I've got it! |
| 23:11.20 | macnewbold | Lone_Wanderer: they came up as a topic in the discussion a few months ago before, during, and after the database design UPHPU meeting we had |
| 23:11.24 | macnewbold | wikipedia has articles on them |
| 23:11.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I read them but they don't tell me much, unfortunately. |
| 23:11.54 | macnewbold | what it boils down to is choosing a less normalized structure (one that still has redundancy of data) for reasons of performance or scalability |
| 23:12.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Right. |
| 23:13.29 | Lone_Wanderer | The real question is, if I need the user to be able to add new dimensions without restructuring the DB... what then? |
| 23:14.26 | macnewbold | sounds like you need a structure that's more dynamic |
| 23:14.35 | macnewbold | at least two ways to do it: |
| 23:14.38 | thebigdog | http://builder.com.com/5100-6388-5221690.html |
| 23:14.49 | macnewbold | 1. have your code automatically build new tables as needed (kinda icky) |
| 23:14.57 | thebigdog | oracle specific...but you should be able to do it with pgsql |
| 23:14.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Yeah that one scares me. |
| 23:15.04 | macnewbold | 2. make your tables generic so that they'll hold any "dimension" |
| 23:15.10 | Lone_Wanderer | It sounds sexy but I don't want to be the one whose head is on the block when it breaks. |
| 23:15.19 | macnewbold | but that can require more foresight than is available |
| 23:15.28 | macnewbold | let's chat offline about it and see what we can figure out |
| 23:15.33 | Lone_Wanderer | okay |
| 23:15.37 | macnewbold | :) |
| 23:25.34 | thebigdog | ~pimpslap timinator |
| 23:25.40 | jbot | thebigdog pimpslaps timinator. ouch! |
| 23:25.40 | timinator | LOL |
| 23:25.46 | timinator | ~lart thebigdog |
| 23:25.52 | timinator | take that |
| 23:26.50 | beandog | thebigdog: where were you last week, punk |
| 23:27.02 | thebigdog | at home |
| 23:27.08 | beandog | ~melvin thebigdog |
| 23:27.10 | jbot | ACTION pulls thebigdog underwear up to the ceiling...and smiles |
| 23:27.12 | thebigdog | on my computer |
| 23:27.22 | thebigdog | you finally figured out what i was talking about? |
| 23:27.32 | beandog | nope |
| 23:27.49 | thebigdog | lol |
| 23:29.40 | thebigdog | i asked you last weekend about it |
| 23:29.57 | thebigdog | that i why i was given you a hard time about it |
| 23:30.03 | thebigdog | but i figured you had no clue |
| 23:30.13 | thebigdog | select * from beandog where clue > 1; |
| 23:30.21 | thebigdog | results -> 0 rows |
| 23:30.25 | thebigdog | :) |
| 23:30.42 | beandog | I dont even know what were talking about right now :) |
| 23:31.03 | thebigdog | yeah i figured |
| 23:32.19 | beandog | so what are we talking about? |
| 23:32.34 | thebigdog | lol...helping you with bugs |
| 23:33.01 | thebigdog | but you are talking about lunch |
| 23:33.24 | beandog | that's right :) |
| 23:33.32 | beandog | thebigdog > beandog |
| 23:34.39 | thebigdog | i just dont forget stuff...i was busy with work...actually drip and I hit crown up here |
| 23:34.53 | timinator | crown++ |
| 23:35.53 | beandog | nice |
| 23:37.43 | thebigdog | ill have to hit the meeting that is coming up |
| 23:39.43 | beandog | bueno |
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| 23:50.10 | macnewbold | we went to crown today - good stuff |
| 23:50.41 | thebigdog | very good stuff |
| 23:51.30 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 23:52.22 | macnewbold | good day, mgeary |
| 23:53.03 | mgeary | hey, can anyone recommend a credit-card processing system that's worked well for you? I've had someone recommend CyberSource, but the client is balking at (perceived) poor customer support |
| 23:53.51 | mindjuju | i can't remember the name of the reseller i went through, but as far as CC processing, i think none finer than authorize.net |
| 23:54.07 | macnewbold | we prefer Authorize.Net too - in fact, we can resell you one if you want |
| 23:54.23 | macnewbold | (we were recommending them to everyone anyway, so we signed up to resell) |
| 23:54.31 | mindjuju | that's cool |
| 23:55.09 | macnewbold | you can work with XMission to get a referral kickback too if you want - we were always recommending them anyway as well |
| 23:59.11 | mindjuju | ah, 5 o'clock. Time for Nacho Libre |