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| 04:12.01 | synic | mindjuju: ok, yeah, this mix is like 10 times better. Some new music.. better mixes, and minus the gain problem. http://synic.ath.cx/trytwo.mp3 |
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| 04:27.01 | synic | I got a new effects mixer, so you can hear me playing around with flange and stuff... maybe a bit too much :) |
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| 15:01.06 | timinator | morning guys... and swb |
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| 15:02.06 | swb | morning timinator |
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| 15:44.08 | Utah_Dave | morning everyone! |
| 15:44.17 | beandog | morning |
| 15:48.18 | timinator | morning |
| 15:48.28 | timinator | question for you guys |
| 15:48.57 | timinator | I've got some elements on a webpage that I would like to load after the page is completely loaded |
| 15:49.12 | timinator | any ideas on how best to do that? |
| 15:49.46 | jsmith | With JavaScript ;-) |
| 15:55.41 | timinator | okay, that's what I'll use then |
| 16:01.45 | thebigdog | javascript is kinda the only action after the page is sent |
| 16:02.09 | thebigdog | onload in the body tag |
| 16:02.21 | Utah_Dave | timinator: jquery has some nice functions for that |
| 16:08.35 | timinator | I'll check it out |
| 16:08.37 | timinator | thx |
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| 16:10.16 | gary | Calling all CSS gurus... |
| 16:10.40 | gary | Hello, I'm having some problems lining up an inline unordered list with a <h1> text heading |
| 16:10.54 | gary | The list is floated to the right, the <h1> is sat on the left |
| 16:11.20 | gary | I have my code shown here: http://pastebin.com/872156 |
| 16:11.45 | gary | 46 lines of code, including all CSS statements. The code works fine in FF and Opera, but in IE the lists just don't line up with the heading |
| 16:11.53 | gary | Any help appreciated as I'm struggling |
| 16:13.10 | gibba[w] | gary, lemme catch up here |
| 16:14.03 | gibba[w] | gary: i'm not being able to connect to that url |
| 16:14.24 | gibba[w] | but try this ... |
| 16:14.40 | gibba[w] | put a display: inline on all your left floated elements |
| 16:15.59 | gibba[w] | also ... here is a great article about taming lists to behave across browsers: |
| 16:16.00 | gibba[w] | http://www.alistapart.com/articles/taminglists/ |
| 16:16.53 | gary | Thanks gibba[w] |
| 16:17.01 | gary | I don't have any left-floating elements |
| 16:18.04 | gary | I've tried float: left on the <h1> and it does work - however, when I do that, the content/div's/text that follows it drops down by about 30 pixels when I clear: left on it |
| 16:18.08 | gibba[w] | yeah i can't get too that url to check it out or i could give you more direct advice |
| 16:18.49 | gibba[w] | gary: do margin: 0 on h1 to avoid that it dropping that far |
| 16:24.55 | gibba[w] | gary: wait ... got your code |
| 16:26.06 | gibba[w] | gary: what are you trying to have line up here? |
| 16:27.48 | gary | gibba[w]: The <li>'s on the right with the <h1> on the left |
| 16:28.03 | gary | I can get them lined up by doing float:left on the <h1> but then as I said, everything drops down |
| 16:28.08 | gary | I'll trry margin: 0 like you said |
| 16:28.12 | gibba[w] | gary: here you go ... put margin-top: 0; on both the h1 and the ul |
| 16:28.28 | gibba[w] | that fixed it if i'm clear on what you're trying to do |
| 16:30.54 | gary | gibba[w]: yay, fixed it |
| 16:31.23 | gary | i did margin: 0px on the h1, then I set the margin's up to move both the h1 and ul away from the top div |
| 16:31.46 | gary | gibba[w]: I would tell you how long I have spent trying to get that working - but I don't want you to laugh at me |
| 16:31.51 | gary | thanks for your help! |
| 16:36.13 | gibba[w] | np mang |
| 16:38.16 | gibba[w] | gary: heres another useful link if you don't already know it .... |
| 16:38.25 | gibba[w] | http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_reference.asp |
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| 17:03.56 | gary | thanks |
| 17:06.35 | dataw0lf | morning gents! |
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| 17:10.35 | dataw0lf | where's my red carpet? |
| 17:11.26 | beandog | hey, I wore clean underwear for your appearance |
| 17:11.29 | beandog | that's the best you're getting. |
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| 17:39.05 | timinator_ | in JS... is there a way to pause for x seconds before it proceeds with the function? |
| 17:39.23 | timinator_ | such as pause(10, load_scene()); |
| 17:40.00 | timinator_ | but I don't want to stop the HTML that it's embedded in |
| 17:40.20 | beandog | why not just call some php in there? |
| 17:40.35 | gibba[w] | i think there "wait" but i might be mixing up js and action script ... i do that sometimes |
| 17:40.39 | timinator_ | cause I want it to execute on the client.... |
| 17:40.43 | beandog | ah. |
| 17:41.09 | timinator_ | I want my page to load, then load this 200 KB object |
| 17:45.18 | timinator_ | O'Reilly's JavaScript book doesn't show a wait() function |
| 17:45.23 | timinator_ | :( |
| 17:46.35 | Utah_Dave | is there some kind of timer()? or something like that |
| 17:48.06 | Utah_Dave | http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/tutorials/javascript/timers |
| 17:48.06 | Utah_Dave | http://www.the-cool-place.co.uk/javascript/cutandpaste/cutandpaste5.html |
| 17:48.27 | Utah_Dave | timinator_: I'm not sure these are exactly what you're looking for, but I think they're close to what you want |
| 17:48.33 | Utah_Dave | especially the second link |
| 17:51.53 | timinator_ | I think the second one will work.... testing |
| 18:07.27 | timinator_ | that works, but the object I'm loading is some object that ends up replacing the original HTML if it's not loaded in-line |
| 18:07.29 | timinator_ | dangin |
| 18:07.32 | timinator_ | dangit |
| 18:07.57 | drip | doh |
| 18:10.49 | macnewbold | ~cookie |
| 18:11.07 | _psychic_ | anyone read about this? http://www.cp80.org/ |
| 18:19.16 | beandog | I dont understand what a law is going to do that parent's can't. |
| 18:19.30 | beandog | unless the gov't really started cracking down on spam, which will never happen. |
| 18:19.45 | beandog | and even then its an international issue, so national laws lose their bite anyway. |
| 18:21.14 | _psychic_ | beandog: I totally agree with you. |
| 18:21.16 | _psychic_ | I personally think its ludicrous to try to enforce anything on the internet. |
| 18:21.26 | beandog | partially because its impossible |
| 18:21.41 | _psychic_ | and partially because its a bad idea |
| 18:21.44 | beandog | consumer education, that'd work more. |
| 18:22.00 | _psychic_ | there's no way I'm going to check in with uncle sam to post some pics on my blog |
| 18:22.06 | thebigdog | stupid people will always be stupid people |
| 18:22.13 | thebigdog | you cant educate stupid |
| 18:22.18 | _psychic_ | its getting some motion in the Utah legislature I hear |
| 18:22.34 | beandog | even if it passes, I really doubt anything would actually change. |
| 18:22.40 | beandog | "They passed a law." oh, well that's good. |
| 18:22.49 | _psychic_ | its just a resolution |
| 18:22.52 | _psychic_ | thank good ness |
| 18:24.56 | beandog | what's that? |
| 18:25.04 | beandog | what's a resolution, I mean |
| 18:25.18 | _psychic_ | just a "Hey, we all think that's a good idea." |
| 18:25.44 | Utah_Dave | timinator_: try using jquery's ajax to load your object. It's really easy |
| 18:26.03 | beandog | personally, I would be more inclined to bug the FCC about indecency than I would the gov't about internet porn. |
| 18:26.14 | beandog | one is regulated, one isn't |
| 18:27.24 | _psychic_ | the FCC *is* the government.. I don't get what you're saying. |
| 18:28.05 | beandog | Im saying if I wanted to effect some change, I would bug the FCC about indecency on TV, rather than trying to get some bill passed about Internet pornography |
| 18:28.09 | beandog | since the FCC could actually do something. |
| 18:28.22 | _psychic_ | about TV, yeah |
| 18:28.35 | beandog | right |
| 18:28.38 | _psychic_ | the thing is, its not hard to find rogue stations broadcasting on public airwaves. |
| 18:29.14 | beandog | really? heh |
| 18:29.16 | beandog | I didnt know that. |
| 18:30.11 | _psychic_ | It's just a matter of triangulating using signal strength |
| 18:30.19 | macnewbold | yep |
| 18:30.28 | macnewbold | they're sending out a beacon to the location of their transmitter |
| 18:30.33 | _psychic_ | just start publishing something on someone else's band, and you'll see how long it takes for the cops to come and visit you :) |
| 18:30.38 | macnewbold | and from there it isn't hard to track down where it is originating |
| 18:30.46 | macnewbold | unless they find out you're on to them and shut down |
| 18:31.01 | beandog | I guess it brings a whole new meaning to the term PBS |
| 18:31.03 | macnewbold | but in that case, mission mostly accomplished aynway, since shutting them down was the goal, along with perhaps penalizing them |
| 18:31.12 | _psychic_ | yep |
| 18:31.18 | _psychic_ | but with the Internet, its impossible |
| 18:31.35 | beandog | can you legally transmit radio waves without a license? |
| 18:31.37 | _psychic_ | not on certain frequencies |
| 18:31.38 | macnewbold | a lot of ham radio groups do things like "fox hunts" that way quite regularly |
| 18:31.58 | macnewbold | beandog: within certain frequencies and limits (the open bands basically) you can |
| 18:32.20 | macnewbold | 50mhz, 900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5.xghz etc. all have open bands in/near them iirc |
| 18:32.33 | beandog | hmm |
| 18:32.36 | beandog | thank goodness for t he internet |
| 18:32.38 | beandog | the great equalizer |
| 18:32.48 | macnewbold | the various ham radio licenses you can get (the different levels) basically grant you privileges for more things in more frequencies |
| 18:32.56 | macnewbold | different frequencies are better for different thins |
| 18:32.58 | macnewbold | things |
| 18:33.04 | beandog | ham radio sounds like it'd be a lot of fun |
| 18:33.33 | _psychic_ | I think you don't need to know morse anymore to get a license. |
| 18:33.48 | macnewbold | higher frequencies transmit more data, so you can get better voice quality usually, but thye don't bounce off the atmosphere, so they're pretty much line of sight only, and have certain absorption characteristics |
| 18:34.04 | macnewbold | lower frequencies will bend or bounce in the ionosphere, so you can talk literally around the world |
| 18:34.17 | macnewbold | etc. |
| 18:34.24 | beandog | wow, thats funky |
| 18:34.31 | macnewbold | _psychic_ is right - the entry level ham radio license requires no morse code |
| 18:34.39 | macnewbold | even the top ones now only require 5 words per minute of morse |
| 18:34.52 | _psychic_ | yep |
| 18:34.55 | macnewbold | (about 25 characters per minute, about 2 seconds each) |
| 18:35.09 | macnewbold | they used to require up to about 30wpm I think |
| 18:35.36 | macnewbold | they have cheap classes you can take to get your license and pass the test in a couple of saturdays |
| 18:35.50 | macnewbold | that's how I got mine - $30 for a class, including the testing fee, |
| 18:35.57 | macnewbold | and in less than 2 weeks I was totally legal |
| 18:36.13 | macnewbold | good for 10 years, renewable free of charge forever, with no further testing requirements |
| 18:36.37 | macnewbold | the 2nd and 3rd level licenses both require 5wpm morse, and another written exam |
| 18:37.18 | macnewbold | but I was able to pass the 2nd level written on the 2nd try on the same day I passed the 1st level, without really preparing additionally for the 2nd level one (a lot of the stuff is very similar, just a little more advanced on the latter) |
| 18:38.20 | beandog | Hmm |
| 18:38.28 | beandog | dont the radios cost a lot? |
| 18:38.41 | beandog | I'm a certified scuba diver, thats the only cool thing Ive got under my belt. :) |
| 18:39.06 | beandog | and those are good for life |
| 18:39.12 | macnewbold | nice |
| 18:39.16 | macnewbold | that would be fun to do |
| 18:39.21 | macnewbold | the radios vary widely |
| 18:39.57 | beandog | which is a bit scary, considering I dont remember a thing. |
| 18:39.58 | macnewbold | you can spend $30-50 on a DIY low-power set, |
| 18:39.58 | macnewbold | or you can spend $20,000 on a huge system for your house |
| 18:40.11 | macnewbold | mine is a dual-band handheld that I got off ebay for $150 |
| 18:40.34 | macnewbold | mostly it depends what you want to do (which partly depends on what license you have) |
| 18:40.41 | beandog | what do you do with them |
| 18:40.45 | beandog | that was my next question |
| 18:40.49 | beandog | just chat with other hammers? |
| 18:41.14 | macnewbold | the first license level is higher frequencies (called VHF and UHF) which are basically line of sight, good mostly for local communication |
| 18:41.41 | macnewbold | utah has plenty of repeaters on the mountain tops that will rebroadcast what you send to them at a higher power and from a better vantage point, |
| 18:41.49 | macnewbold | so you can talk to a lot of local people |
| 18:41.56 | macnewbold | it's kind of like a chat room on the air waves :) |
| 18:42.18 | macnewbold | you can also do direct radio-radio communications of course |
| 18:43.31 | macnewbold | with a repeater out on the Oquirrh mountains in SL Valley, I was able to talk to it with my little radio from American Fork, and had a conversation from a guy who was hitting the same repeater from Tremonton |
| 18:43.31 | macnewbold | there are also a lot of repeater linking things you can do |
| 18:43.31 | macnewbold | including some that transmit via the internet from one repeater to another |
| 18:43.44 | beandog | now that's cool |
| 18:44.04 | macnewbold | so I've talked with people down in Australia, New Zealand, etc |
| 18:44.09 | macnewbold | through linkages like that |
| 18:44.23 | macnewbold | with the higher licenses, you can use frequencies that will let you talk there directly, without repeaters |
| 18:44.23 | beandog | really? huh. I figured with all the mountains in utah it'd make it hard to get out of the valley |
| 18:44.44 | macnewbold | a lot of ham stuff is about emergency communications too, and they often volunteer for that kind of thing |
| 18:44.53 | macnewbold | civil air patrol, emergency response teams, etc. |
| 18:45.31 | macnewbold | the valleys make it hard without the repeaters - but since they're on the top of the mountains, you can often get line of sight to them much easier |
| 18:45.49 | macnewbold | the repeater we used to talk AF-Tremonton was one where we both had line of sight to it from where we were |
| 18:45.59 | macnewbold | very distant, but unbroken by other mountains in the way, etc. |
| 18:46.28 | macnewbold | they also have a chain of repeaters running up the length of the state and into neighboring states that lets you have a much wider range, but I haven't used them much at all |
| 18:46.57 | macnewbold | you can get repeater directories too, that list repeater frequencies, locations, access codes if any, etc. so you can use repeaters wherever you happen to be at the time |
| 18:48.23 | beandog | man, thats insane. |
| 18:48.33 | beandog | theres a whole little radio network out there I never knew existed. |
| 18:48.34 | beandog | :) |
| 18:48.42 | beandog | well, "little" probably isnt the right word. |
| 18:48.43 | macnewbold | you can even transmit IP over ham radio :) |
| 18:49.17 | macnewbold | the catch is that one of the rules is you can't transmit anything encrypted or encoded over ham radio, nor use it to conduct business |
| 18:49.30 | macnewbold | with the one exception of trying to buy, sell, or trade ham radio equipment :) |
| 18:49.40 | macnewbold | (hobby trading only, no dealers) |
| 18:50.03 | beandog | encrypt stuff? |
| 18:50.06 | beandog | couldnt you just talk in code? |
| 18:50.44 | macnewbold | yeah, so you couldn't use SSL for example over ham |
| 18:50.44 | macnewbold | that's exactly what is against the rules - you can't transmit anything encoded, even a voice code |
| 18:51.12 | macnewbold | you can even use ham radio to make phone calls via a phone patch device - a radio that will remotely let you tell it a phone number and it will dial it out on a phone line, and relay you the other half of the conversation |
| 18:52.10 | macnewbold | you can do remote control over ham, using much higher transmit power than you could without a license, so you could have a much longer range on your RC airplane for example, |
| 18:52.17 | macnewbold | and you cna send tv |
| 18:54.05 | macnewbold | so what you can do is make an RC plane with a camera on it, broadcasting the tv signal in ham frequencies, |
| 18:54.11 | macnewbold | so you can watch where it is going |
| 18:54.33 | macnewbold | see, drip is a ham too, but he can use HF (the ones that work well at long distances) |
| 18:54.38 | macnewbold | so he has a higher license than me |
| 18:54.50 | drip | I've had my license since 87 |
| 18:55.04 | drip | communicated w/ about 140 countries. |
| 18:55.09 | macnewbold | tech+, general, advanced, or extra? |
| 18:55.14 | drip | advanced. |
| 18:55.15 | macnewbold | or novice, I guess |
| 18:55.17 | macnewbold | nice |
| 18:55.19 | drip | passed code for extra. |
| 18:55.23 | drip | perfect copy |
| 18:55.23 | drip | =P |
| 18:55.25 | macnewbold | sweet |
| 18:55.26 | macnewbold | you rock |
| 18:55.38 | macnewbold | I passed written for the general, but didn't learn code within the year I had |
| 18:55.44 | drip | ah.. |
| 18:55.46 | macnewbold | so I'll have to finish code and retake the written |
| 18:55.55 | drip | you have to learn it.. then use it a lot to become proficient. |
| 18:55.59 | macnewbold | I haven't used it much in several years |
| 18:56.03 | macnewbold | ham radio I mean |
| 18:56.05 | drip | but I can probably still receive about 30 wpm |
| 18:56.07 | drip | me either. |
| 18:56.08 | macnewbold | and I've never really known morse coe |
| 18:56.25 | macnewbold | I'd have to get serious and put some time into it, which I don't ever seem to have |
| 18:56.26 | drip | that's my only second language. |
| 18:56.26 | drip | lol |
| 18:56.27 | macnewbold | but one day |
| 18:56.28 | macnewbold | one day |
| 18:56.53 | drip | he he |
| 18:56.59 | drip | I keep wanting to go up on a field day outing |
| 18:57.14 | drip | but always have a city event I invite everyone and their dog to. |
| 18:57.18 | drip | and cook up salmon |
| 18:58.05 | drip | unfortunately, I won't be getting as much salmon anymore. |
| 18:58.09 | drip | but that's a whole different story. |
| 18:58.10 | drip | lol |
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| 19:38.22 | mindjuju | hey, wps, you around? |
| 19:38.32 | wps | perhaps |
| 19:39.23 | wps | wait… |
| 19:39.25 | wps | uh… |
| 19:39.29 | wps | yes, yes I'm here |
| 19:41.41 | dataw0lf | I think he's lying! |
| 19:41.47 | mindjuju | coolio |
| 19:41.47 | mindjuju | i've got some menus scanned for next friday's geek lunch was going to see if you could post them to the web so people could look at them? |
| 19:41.47 | mindjuju | yeah, something seems a bit odd. maybe it's a wpsBot ! |
| 19:42.06 | wps | that'd be sweet to have a bot of yourself |
| 19:42.10 | wps | to do your chores |
| 19:42.15 | wps | and change your baby's diapers |
| 19:42.35 | mindjuju | that would be cool |
| 19:42.36 | drip | can I have one of those for dealing with my wife? |
| 19:42.37 | drip | lol |
| 19:43.06 | mindjuju | dangerous! |
| 19:43.24 | drip | would rather have a bot deal with that crap. |
| 19:43.34 | mindjuju | ah, didn't know that |
| 19:43.42 | mindjuju | sorry! |
| 19:43.57 | drip | dealing w/ it. |
| 19:44.03 | drip | why I haven't said much lately. |
| 19:45.48 | drip | where is the geek lunch going to be? |
| 19:45.58 | mindjuju | Goodwood BBQ in Draper |
| 19:46.13 | mindjuju | i promise, this is good eats! |
| 19:47.11 | mindjuju | i'll have menus posted so everybody can look and decide early |
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| 19:50.02 | drip | cool. |
| 19:50.34 | mindjuju | do you think you can go? |
| 19:50.49 | drip | depends on things.. especially around my wife/kids. |
| 19:51.17 | drip | but I may be able to. |
| 19:51.21 | mindjuju | can understand that |
| 20:02.08 | wps | mindjuju: http://www.goodwoodbbq.com/menupage1.htm |
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| 20:16.31 | mindjuj1 | darn you herlo! |
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| 21:59.28 | dataw0lf | http://nightside.ksl.com/?nid=19&sid=834652 |
| 22:01.50 | tierra | rol |
| 22:03.09 | dataw0lf | tierra: you must attribute it to Grifter, he posted it in ut2600 |
| 22:09.34 | beandog | West Valley Barbie, lmao |
| 22:09.41 | dataw0lf | :D |
| 22:10.09 | beandog | White boy Gangsta Ken and his 1979 low-rider Caddy were available, but are now very difficult to find since the addition of the infant. |
| 22:10.38 | beandog | Provo Barbie - children sold only in bulk packs of 8 or 10 |
| 22:12.05 | dataw0lf | screw soccer! |
| 22:12.21 | _psychic_ | (see premises) |
| 22:12.24 | dataw0lf | screw dataw0lf! |
| 22:12.36 | _psychic_ | ~asplode ignorant-utahns |
| 22:12.37 | jbot | ignorant-utahns head asplode, k thx |
| 22:13.22 | dataw0lf | screw urban-development! |
| 22:13.23 | beandog | urban development ignorance? |
| 22:13.23 | beandog | eh? |
| 22:13.41 | _psychic_ | people that flip out about using tax money for stadiums |
| 22:15.31 | beandog | no, I take that back |
| 22:16.39 | beandog | I type in ~ and it changes it to sdibb/, despite the fact I'm already in ~, so it tries to open /home/sdibb/sdibb/foo.cvs |
| 22:16.40 | beandog | sv |
| 22:16.41 | beandog | a;slkdjf |
| 22:16.42 | beandog | csv |
| 22:18.51 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: well, tax money shouldn't be used for building stadiums, really. |
| 22:19.09 | _psychic_ | it *isn't* |
| 22:19.20 | _psychic_ | it isn't getting stolen from children, either. |
| 22:19.31 | _psychic_ | It's called public infrastructure. |
| 22:20.25 | beandog | And then, when I save a CSV file, it asks if I want to save it in Gnumeric XML, even though the file extension is already CSV |
| 22:20.52 | beandog | I've yet to see a decent spreadsheet program. anywhere. |
| 22:21.32 | jsmith | beandog: Even in OpenOffice? |
| 22:21.58 | jsmith | beandog: OpenOffice Calc has more build-in functions than Office, which always makes my Office-using friends jealous |
| 22:22.28 | beandog | dunno, I just installed it, ahvent hardly looked at it |
| 22:22.49 | dataw0lf | y'should |
| 22:24.05 | beandog | is there a way to make a mysql table from a CSV file |
| 22:24.10 | beandog | that would make things much simpler. |
| 22:25.43 | dataw0lf | uh, yea |
| 22:25.46 | dataw0lf | LOAD FILE |
| 22:26.00 | dataw0lf | err, load data |
| 22:26.08 | dataw0lf | LOAD DATA INFILE |
| 22:26.10 | dataw0lf | finally got it |
| 22:26.18 | dataw0lf | third times the charm, y'know. |
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| 22:35.26 | mindjuju | sup swb_ |
| 22:44.50 | beandog | ok |
| 22:44.52 | beandog | that worked |
| 22:44.53 | beandog | thanks dataw0lf |
| 22:44.56 | beandog | and macnewbold |
| 22:44.57 | beandog | :) |
| 22:45.11 | macnewbold | np |
| 22:45.12 | macnewbold | :) |
| 22:45.18 | macnewbold | just doing my job |
| 22:46.31 | dataw0lf | np beandog |
| 22:46.43 | dataw0lf | your job is dataw0lf's slave, mac! |
| 22:47.51 | tierra | beandog: not even Google Speadsheets?! how can you not like a Google product?! TRAITOR!!! :) |
| 22:48.53 | dataw0lf | GOOGLE FTW! |
| 22:49.02 | dataw0lf | tierra: what's a speadsheet |
| 22:49.40 | dataw0lf | mMmmM: MmMM MM Mmm MMmm MM! |
| 22:49.43 | dataw0lf | mm mm mm mm |
| 22:50.27 | dataw0lf | tierra: You're a bad person! |
| 22:50.31 | dataw0lf | BAD tierra! |
| 22:51.03 | dataw0lf | y'know, I yell at my dog 'BAD gidget!' and she just smiles knowingly and starts trotting towards the treats. |
| 22:51.07 | dataw0lf | yes, my dog can smile knowingly. |
| 22:51.10 | dataw0lf | it's bizarre |
| 22:51.13 | jsmith | OK, so who wants to answer an SEO question for me ;-) |
| 22:51.22 | dataw0lf | I can try. |
| 22:51.34 | jsmith | For certain websites, when search results come up in Google, they have a miniature sitemap come up underneath |
| 22:51.56 | dataw0lf | google webmaster tools, methinks |
| 22:52.14 | jsmith | Any idea what it's called? |
| 22:52.17 | mindjuju | yeah, you can upload an xml sitemap |
| 22:52.19 | jsmith | Is it related to the sitemap stuff there? |
| 22:52.25 | jsmith | mindjuju: Been there, done that. |
| 22:52.32 | mindjuju | oh |
| 22:52.46 | jsmith | mindjuju: But how do I tell it that certain links should show up in under the search results? |
| 22:53.00 | jsmith | Or, can anyone tell me what I should be googling for? |
| 22:53.06 | dataw0lf | http://www.xml-sitemaps.com/ *shrug* |
| 22:53.30 | dataw0lf | https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/docs/en/about.html |
| 22:53.38 | mindjuju | there is a free python one on the google page |
| 22:54.04 | dataw0lf | xml-sitemaps.com is free too, methinks |
| 22:55.10 | mindjuju | nah, it stinks |
| 22:55.41 | jsmith | Yes, I've already submitted the XML sitemap thing |
| 22:55.50 | jsmith | But that still doesn't answer my question. |
| 22:56.09 | jsmith | What else do I have to do to make those sub-links show up in the google search results? |
| 22:56.20 | mindjuju | hang on quick sec, optikal and swb_ are resident SEO pros |
| 22:56.35 | mindjuju | ~wake optikal |
| 22:56.44 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on optikal and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 23:03.08 | mindjuju | sorry, jsmith i canned our SEO guy a couple of weeks ago (lazy bum) and don't know enough about it myself to answer. obviously when I put up my dukes to fight, it scared off Dataw0lf so he's not available to answer either |
| 23:03.32 | mindjuju | but optikal and swb_ were talking about putting together an presenation on SEO for uphpu so that's why i recommended them |
| 23:10.06 | macnewbold | jsmith: I think I know what you're talking about, but I'm not sure if there's anything particular that controls it specifically |
| 23:10.26 | macnewbold | my guess was that if there are >=5 hits on a single site for your search that it thinks are highly relevant, |
| 23:10.33 | macnewbold | it pulls up the compact extra links for you |
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| 23:43.01 | swb_ | it has been a LONG day! |
| 23:43.30 | mindjuju | sup swb_ |
| 23:43.38 | swb_ | too many meetings! |
| 23:44.56 | Utah_Dave | we had random drug tests at work today. Fun! |
| 23:44.58 | mindjuju | well, if you have a sec, jsmith had a question i thought you might know (about google search results) and i was going to bug ya to let ya know that there is a geek lunch next friday in draper |
| 23:45.09 | mindjuju | random drug test?!? |
| 23:45.45 | swb_ | lol |
| 23:46.15 | mindjuju | are you saying that you drugged me randomly from a random group of coders, or that you drugged me with some random drug? |
| 23:46.32 | Utah_Dave | I was a little worried because last time the proctor stayed in the bathroom to make sure it was really you providing the sample |
| 23:46.40 | Utah_Dave | and I had a female proctor this time |
| 23:46.46 | mindjuju | oh no! |
| 23:46.49 | beandog | oh my. |
| 23:46.59 | beandog | I hope they were *urine* samples. |
| 23:47.07 | Utah_Dave | but she left the room during the actual, uh, donation |
| 23:47.51 | mindjuju | course though, i'd have insisted that if they were going to be in there with me, that they at least hold the cup |
| 23:47.51 | beandog | mindjuju: kinda like if youre gonna gross me out, I might as well gross you out too? |
| 23:48.01 | mindjuju | exactly |
| 23:48.05 | beandog | lmao |
| 23:48.07 | beandog | oh man. |
| 23:48.59 | mindjuju | beandog, sent you the uncensored version in PM |
| 23:49.11 | beandog | hee hee hee |
| 23:49.20 | beandog | random drug tests. that's freaky. |
| 23:49.36 | mindjuju | yeah, are they afraid your going to be coding under the influence? |
| 23:50.03 | beandog | and love. |
| 23:50.45 | beandog | teddy bears are boring. |
| 23:51.14 | beandog | mm, yes I will. |
| 23:51.18 | beandog | I have a stuffed moray eel at home. |
| 23:51.21 | beandog | coolest thing ever. |
| 23:51.26 | beandog | it ate my sister's care bear. |
| 23:51.32 | mindjuju | curious |
| 23:51.33 | beandog | very mysterious. |
| 23:52.03 | mindjuju | was there any sign of the remains of the care bear? |
| 23:52.30 | beandog | nope. |
| 23:52.36 | beandog | that bear had its last care bear stare. |
| 23:52.59 | Utah_Dave | When I was in High School I was looking for stuff around the house to test out my new .22 |
| 23:53.12 | Utah_Dave | My sister's care bear worked out really well |
| 23:53.22 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 23:54.40 | beandog | heh |
| 23:54.47 | mindjuju | i use to use gi joes for target practice |
| 23:54.57 | mindjuju | we had a bb gun with a mounted site |
| 23:55.01 | mindjuju | sight, i mean |
| 23:55.31 | swb_ | jsmith, are you still around? |
| 23:56.00 | swb_ | mindjuju: was the question the one about Sitelinks? |
| 23:56.09 | mindjuju | didn't mind care bears much, it was that floozy strawberry shortcake i had problems with |
| 23:56.20 | mindjuju | her and her cake house and her ooooooh so smug friends |
| 23:56.30 | mindjuju | uh, let me look real quick |
| 23:56.51 | mindjuju | (3:55:41 PM) jsmith: Yes, I've already submitted the XML sitemap thing |
| 23:56.51 | mindjuju | (3:55:50 PM) jsmith: But that still doesn't answer my question. |
| 23:56.51 | mindjuju | (3:56:09 PM) jsmith: What else do I have to do to make those sub-links show up in the google search results? |
| 23:57.28 | mindjuju | (3:52:46 PM) jsmith: mindjuju: But how do I tell it that certain links should show up in under the search results? |
| 23:58.03 | swb_ | wha? |
| 23:58.16 | mindjuju | oh, we were talking about toys from a long time ago |
| 23:58.27 | beandog | I miss Transformers. |
| 23:58.36 | beandog | and GI Joe |
| 23:58.45 | mindjuju | and i was utah dave was saying he was judge jury and executioner for care bear |
| 23:58.47 | swb_ | for jsmith: http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=47334&topic=8523 |
| 23:59.02 | mindjuju | wow, that's amazing |
| 23:59.09 | mindjuju | i even searched for hs answer |
| 23:59.10 | swb_ | jsmith & mindjuju: Sitelinks are auto-generated by google |
| 23:59.12 | mindjuju | where'd you find that |
| 23:59.47 | swb_ | you were just propbably searching for the wrong term (I found it on searchengineland.com) |