| 00:04.20 | thebigdog | company seeks new programmer familiar with groovy, scriptalous and boobylicous |
| 00:07.24 | macnewbold | ~lart thebigdog |
| 00:19.46 | beandog | ~flame |
| 00:19.58 | jbot | [flame] something people do on newsgroups or irc or when they yell at each other |
| 00:21.50 | beandog | wow, laggie. |
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| 00:39.44 | thebigdog | dataw0lf, you around? |
| 00:44.24 | dataw0lf | thebigdog: yessir |
| 00:44.39 | thebigdog | dataw0lf in the hosts.deny file can you put in ports for the daemon services list? |
| 00:45.07 | dataw0lf | I don't think so. |
| 00:45.46 | dataw0lf | I think you have to put it in /etc/services then reference it with the name assigned in there. |
| 00:45.49 | dataw0lf | could be wrong though. |
| 00:46.28 | thebigdog | i check that out...kinda makes sense |
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| 03:24.39 | Vanderbault | Looking for David Boucha |
| 03:27.44 | mindjuju | hi vanderbault, his IRC name is Utah_Dave |
| 03:27.59 | mindjuju | ~ping Utah_Dave |
| 03:28.01 | jbot | pong Utah_Dave |
| 03:28.07 | Utah_Dave | yo, mindjuju |
| 03:28.15 | mindjuju | Vanderbault is looking for you |
| 03:28.30 | mindjuju | i'm guessing this is either a drug deal or codeigniter advice |
| 03:28.36 | Utah_Dave | thanks! he IM'd me |
| 03:28.41 | Utah_Dave | :) |
| 03:31.17 | herlo | ~bonk Utah_Dave just for fun |
| 03:31.21 | jbot | ACTION bonks Utah_Dave just for fun over the head |
| 03:31.39 | Utah_Dave | ~lart herlo |
| 03:31.50 | Utah_Dave | yes!! that has to be the best evar!!!! |
| 03:32.02 | mindjuju | that is cool |
| 03:32.02 | herlo | ~poo Utah_Dave |
| 03:32.04 | jbot | ACTION summons a troop of flying monkeys to fling their poo at Utah_Dave |
| 03:32.18 | mindjuju | i've never seen that lart before |
| 03:32.21 | herlo | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.30 | herlo | ~resize mindjuju |
| 03:32.45 | herlo | ~terminal mindjuju |
| 03:32.47 | mindjuju | your weak commands have no affect on the Mindjuju! |
| 03:33.01 | herlo | ~shrink mindjuju |
| 03:33.08 | herlo | ~kill mindjuju |
| 03:33.09 | jbot | ACTION shoots a inverse anti-quark gun at mindjuju |
| 03:33.26 | herlo | ~bolt mindjuju |
| 03:33.40 | herlo | ahh, that would've been a good one |
| 03:33.53 | herlo | ~travolta mindjuju |
| 03:33.55 | jbot | ACTION replaces mindjuju with several craters in a multi-colored display of superior fire power |
| 03:34.07 | mindjuju | ~dhit herlo |
| 03:34.08 | jbot | ACTION appears right behind herlo and slaps him in the back of the head |
| 03:34.25 | Utah_Dave | ~fartingeneraldirection mindjuju |
| 03:34.35 | Utah_Dave | dang |
| 03:34.45 | herlo | ~fart Utah_Dave |
| 03:34.47 | jbot | ACTION farts in Utah_Dave's general direction |
| 03:34.54 | herlo | lol |
| 03:37.31 | Utah_Dave | :) |
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| 16:02.47 | optikal | Got a HTML/CSS question. If I have a string of text that exceeds the width (whether set statically or dynamically) of the element its wrapped in, does anyone know of any way to force the string to break once it reaches the elements boundary instead of having to use say.. overflow:hidden; and losing the overflowing text? |
| 16:06.48 | _psychic_ | break meaning wrap? |
| 16:07.12 | optikal | right |
| 16:07.52 | _psychic_ | how are you setting the width, and what kind of element is it? I would guess that it would wrap by default. |
| 16:08.36 | optikal | Sorry, I didnt make one very important factor clear.. the string contains no spaces. |
| 16:08.57 | _psychic_ | add spaces ;) |
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| 16:09.43 | optikal | haha That would definitely work, but unfortunately not an option. |
| 16:10.36 | _psychic_ | why not? |
| 16:11.07 | optikal | Because this string cannot contain a space.. |
| 16:11.20 | _psychic_ | but it can contain a newline? |
| 16:11.27 | optikal | Its a bit complicated, I'm not going to go into detail on something thats irrelevant |
| 16:11.41 | _psychic_ | Its hard to help without knowing the details. :) |
| 16:11.44 | optikal | This is for visual purposes, a new line wouldn't matter |
| 16:12.14 | _psychic_ | So can you add newlines or breaks then? |
| 16:12.53 | optikal | I can really add anything, Its just for visual purposes. I said I cant add a space because well.. you cant say "add a space at after character 321, since anything after 322 would go beyond the elements boudnary" |
| 16:12.57 | optikal | *boundary |
| 16:13.20 | optikal | So you'd have to guess where to add the space, since the font is not a fixed-width font. |
| 16:13.27 | optikal | And that obviously wouldn't work. |
| 16:14.21 | optikal | http://dev.ezwatchstore.com/newlayout/html.php |
| 16:14.24 | optikal | Example page |
| 16:14.37 | optikal | How do I make the "OF" string break once it reaches the boundary. |
| 16:15.12 | _psychic_ | break and wrap, right? |
| 16:15.36 | optikal | Yes. |
| 16:16.28 | _psychic_ | I don't think you can, unless you artificially add newlines at a certain width somehow. |
| 16:16.44 | _psychic_ | What I don't understand is why you'd ever want to do that. |
| 16:17.34 | optikal | Its pretty simple.. if you have a string anywhere on the site that exceeds the width of its element and doesnt contain spaces, it won't look funky and all the text within the string will be visible. |
| 16:21.24 | _psychic_ | optikal: I'd do that by inserting spaces or breaks in strings I was worried about. |
| 16:21.31 | _psychic_ | I'm not sure you can do that in HTML, personally. |
| 16:21.58 | optikal | ugh |
| 16:22.35 | optikal | If the string is completely dynamic, say.. pulled from a database thats content is managed by numerous people, then thats not really an easy thing to do. |
| 16:22.42 | _psychic_ | http://wyattpreul.com/archive/2006/09/14/Force-WordWrap-in-ALL-Browsers.aspx |
| 16:22.46 | optikal | I'm sure theres a way to do this some how. |
| 16:22.58 | optikal | and yes, you cannot do that in HTML.. its only a mark-up language. |
| 16:23.17 | _psychic_ | optikal: my view code is all separated on its own, so it doesn't care what format the DB data is in |
| 16:24.32 | _psychic_ | http://archivist.incutio.com/viewlist/css-discuss/16105 |
| 16:24.46 | optikal | You cannot just modify a string and insert a space though.. that doesnt work |
| 16:24.54 | optikal | How will you know where to make the braek? |
| 16:24.55 | optikal | *break |
| 16:25.08 | _psychic_ | guess |
| 16:25.15 | _psychic_ | and test until it works how you want |
| 16:25.15 | optikal | uhm, No |
| 16:25.26 | optikal | That will only work with a fixed width font |
| 16:25.33 | optikal | Otherwise every strings break point will be different.. |
| 16:25.34 | _psychic_ | I've done it with PDFs before |
| 16:26.00 | dataw0lf | word-wrap: break-word; optikal |
| 16:26.01 | _psychic_ | Unless its fully justified, your right margin won't be ruler-straight anyway |
| 16:26.06 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: that's IE only |
| 16:27.23 | optikal | That wouldn't work even if it was fully supported |
| 16:27.27 | optikal | Sine it breaks word by a space |
| 16:28.58 | dataw0lf | ok, so call a function that inserts   based upon length of the word and width of the css container |
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| 16:28.59 | optikal | That would only work if the font was fixed width.. |
| 16:29.06 | dataw0lf | break_word($str, $css_width) |
| 16:29.15 | dataw0lf | ok, so get the width of the font too |
| 16:30.04 | optikal | o_O |
| 16:30.12 | _psychic_ | each character is different, dataw0lf |
| 16:30.15 | optikal | I meant a fixed width font.. |
| 16:30.25 | optikal | As in, I'm using a variable width font.. Trebuchet MS |
| 16:30.45 | dataw0lf | ok, so get the average width of a character in that font |
| 16:31.27 | _psychic_ | (which was my suggestion - just guess on the width) |
| 16:31.40 | dataw0lf | you don't have to guess |
| 16:32.18 | _psychic_ | an average is a guess |
| 16:32.28 | dataw0lf | an average is not a guess |
| 16:32.48 | dataw0lf | you get the collected character widths of said font, and average them together |
| 16:32.51 | macnewbold | it's not a guess, it is a summary of historical information |
| 16:33.09 | macnewbold | you can use it as a guess for future values though |
| 16:33.33 | _psychic_ | right -that's the practical use fo rit |
| 16:34.18 | macnewbold | the thing you'd want in order to be the most accurate would be an average based not just on all the chars in the font used evenly, but on all the chars used according to the character distributions you see in your text |
| 16:34.30 | dataw0lf | indeed |
| 16:34.35 | macnewbold | but it would still be just an approximation |
| 16:34.47 | _psychic_ | Well if you're going that far, just get the widths for all the characters and use them to calculate the width of the line. |
| 16:34.54 | macnewbold | one thing you could do to find out where to break it would be |
| 16:35.09 | macnewbold | to render the font server-side using GD, image magick, or something, and see how wide the text is |
| 16:35.17 | macnewbold | GD will compute a bounding box for you, for example |
| 16:35.24 | macnewbold | so you could find how much text really will fit |
| 16:35.28 | macnewbold | and break it there, server side |
| 16:35.58 | macnewbold | or you could use JS to modify the innerHTML of the container to add breaks at the right places based on the width of the element being too wide or something |
| 16:36.03 | macnewbold | that might be hard though |
| 16:36.14 | optikal | werd |
| 16:36.17 | optikal | Thanks for all the suggestions~ |
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| 16:36.29 | dataw0lf | wait just a second |
| 16:36.32 | dataw0lf | can't you wrap in a table? |
| 16:36.40 | optikal | I was hoping there was something stupid I was missing within HTML or CSS, or some tricky trick.. but maybe not. |
| 16:36.42 | dataw0lf | >:] |
| 16:37.27 | optikal | Yes, but with no spaces it pushes the cell wider. |
| 16:38.11 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: just make an image of the text ;) |
| 16:39.37 | _psychic_ | I'd suggest calling an external C program that writes an XML file to the disk, which is loaded up by a Flash application and properly wrapped. |
| 16:39.57 | dataw0lf | har har |
| 16:40.07 | optikal | hehe |
| 16:40.19 | optikal | That'd work too.. great work around guys. |
| 16:40.49 | _psychic_ | ;) |
| 16:41.36 | optikal | I'm basically just trying to make that layout you seen in the example above as bullet proof as possible, and this no-space string is something we run into here and there on a few of our pages.. I was hoping for a unified site solution hehe |
| 16:41.40 | optikal | thanks~ |
| 16:42.36 | dataw0lf | HA! |
| 16:42.44 | dataw0lf | http://us3.php.net/wordwrap |
| 16:43.50 | optikal | uhm.. That doesnt help anything. |
| 16:44.18 | dataw0lf | how the hell does that not help anything? |
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| 16:44.49 | optikal | Variable width font.. |
| 16:45.12 | dataw0lf | javascript passed as the 'width' parameter... |
| 16:46.06 | optikal | If I measure out my boundary with a string like "test string test string" and repeat it, and then find that I need to break at 320 characters in, if the another string is "...|...|...|" then its going to put a break way before the boundary |
| 16:47.00 | optikal | +since the 2nd string is much shorter in width than the first one, even though they're both 320 characters |
| 16:48.16 | dataw0lf | there has to be a way to get it to work in javascript |
| 16:50.10 | dataw0lf | HA |
| 16:50.13 | dataw0lf | offsetWidth |
| 16:51.01 | dataw0lf | booyakasha! |
| 16:51.39 | dataw0lf | so, either do it all in javascript, or get the offsetWidth of the string in javascript, the width of the container in javascript, then do some magic and apply that to the wordwrap PHP function |
| 16:53.44 | optikal | How would you apply javascript stuff to a value in PHP? o_O |
| 16:55.11 | dataw0lf | pass it via GET or POST |
| 16:56.10 | dataw0lf | or be all super modern and use XHR, but I don't recommend it |
| 16:56.15 | optikal | Yeah, thats the only way I was thinking.. great solution, although far more work than I want to put into something for "just incase" purposes. |
| 16:56.48 | dataw0lf | I guess you could use a cookie, too |
| 16:56.58 | optikal | dataw0lf: Thanks btw |
| 16:57.25 | dataw0lf | np |
| 17:26.22 | Utah_Dave | dang, I'm going to be out of town for next month's meeting |
| 17:36.29 | optikal | hehe, yeah.. I was thinking along the same lines.. that it was an early lunch, if hes here. |
| 17:36.48 | macnewbold | he's back east now, IIRC |
| 17:37.02 | _psychic_ | I figured as much :) |
| 17:37.27 | _psychic_ | anyone in here ever use the Zend Framework all on its own? |
| 17:37.45 | jsmith_lunch | _psychic_: Nope! |
| 17:38.02 | jsmith_lunch | _psychic_: I'm an Eastern time zone guy now |
| 17:38.09 | _psychic_ | permanently? |
| 17:38.20 | jsmith_lunch | Yup |
| 17:38.29 | _psychic_ | whereabouts? |
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| 18:50.30 | dataw0lf | neato |
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| 18:50.34 | dataw0lf | http://www.etsy.com/color.php |
| 18:50.39 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 18:50.55 | dataw0lf | allah ackbar |
| 18:52.53 | mgeary | hey, i've never really understood how i should use xargs with egrep. can someone give me a quick pointer? i want to run this: "egrep -ril 'some_match' *", but there's too many files. how do i use xargs to do this? |
| 18:53.15 | thebigdog | with find and xargs |
| 18:53.26 | mgeary | i can't couple xargs with egrep? only find? |
| 18:53.28 | thebigdog | like find . -type f | xargs egrep |
| 18:53.33 | fungus | "egrep ... | xargs command |
| 18:53.38 | macnewbold | find . -print0 | xargs -0 egrep -ril 'some_match' |
| 18:53.40 | mgeary | oh |
| 18:53.42 | mgeary | with bnoth |
| 18:53.43 | mgeary | both |
| 18:54.17 | mgeary | trying |
| 18:54.23 | macnewbold | xargs will run egrep as many times as necessary, to get all the args processed |
| 18:54.31 | fungus | Or if you don't want to recurse directories you can just use `ls | xargs egrep ...` |
| 18:54.46 | mgeary | cool. thanks |
| 18:54.54 | macnewbold | so if there are more than 1024 (or whatever limit) args, it cuts it off there then runs it again with the remainder |
| 18:55.00 | mgeary | yeah |
| 18:55.07 | dataw0lf | http://www.faceresearch.org/ |
| 19:31.32 | dataw0lf | wow |
| 19:31.34 | dataw0lf | http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/graphics/eaglefox.jpg |
| 19:32.05 | mgeary | that's cool |
| 20:04.37 | _psychic_ | I wouldn't ask any questions, personally. :) |
| 20:05.01 | dataw0lf | oooooooh |
| 20:05.06 | dataw0lf | that guy finally paid me |
| 20:11.05 | com4 | http://knuttz.net/hosted_pages/Eagle-Vs-Fox-20070115 |
| 20:23.12 | mindjuju | wow |
| 20:23.33 | dataw0lf | golden eagles kick butt |
| 20:23.53 | mindjuju | i'm deploying just a simple old xp box. not including service pack 2, there are 66 mega critical patches |
| 20:24.22 | mindjuju | it's funny how MS always says XP is the most secure of their OSs |
| 20:24.41 | dataw0lf | well, it very well might be. |
| 20:25.18 | dataw0lf | of course 'most secure Microsoft OS' is like 'least evil serial killer' |
| 20:25.32 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:27.38 | mindjuju | ~rlart |
| 20:34.50 | dataw0lf | dang I need to get my black panther soon |
| 20:56.07 | Utah_Dave | ~rlart |
| 20:56.33 | mindjuju | ... the fates have spoken ... |
| 20:56.49 | Utah_Dave | ~wake Black_Chaos |
| 20:56.52 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on Black_Chaos and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 21:04.42 | herlo | ~smack Utah_Dave |
| 21:04.44 | jbot | ACTION smacks Utah_Dave upside the head. |
| 21:18.50 | thebigdog | ~pimpslap herlo |
| 21:18.52 | jbot | thebigdog pimpslaps herlo. ouch! |
| 21:35.03 | Utah_Dave | ~bonk herlo |
| 21:35.19 | jbot | ACTION bonks herlo over the head |
| 21:36.41 | mindjuju | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.45 | mindjuju | ~lart everybody |
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| 22:10.55 | mindjuju | 1m:30 sec left |
| 22:11.36 | mindjuju | unless somebody here has an xbox for sale |
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| 22:33.35 | macnewbold | mindjuju: how'd your snipe go |
| 22:33.38 | macnewbold | ? |
| 22:34.13 | mindjuju | got outbidded. didn't want to pay over $72 for it, somebody else was willing to pay $75 |
| 22:34.25 | macnewbold | ah |
| 22:34.34 | macnewbold | for an xbox? not bad |
| 22:34.42 | mindjuju | this seller though, is selling a bunch though, so another is coming up in 2 hours |
| 22:34.50 | mindjuju | yeah, the old ones |
| 22:35.10 | macnewbold | what was the bidding at before the snipe? |
| 22:35.29 | mindjuju | well, there were a bunch of us going for it, so like 15 bids in the last few seconds of the auction |
| 22:35.43 | macnewbold | most will be back in 2hrs I bet :) |
| 22:35.44 | mindjuju | it jumped from $61 -> $75 |
| 22:35.50 | mindjuju | prolly |
| 22:36.20 | macnewbold | I may have to have you teach me your ebay jedi tricks some day |
| 22:36.30 | mindjuju | fo sho! |
| 22:36.40 | mindjuju | i actually nailed an auction with 0 seconds to go |
| 22:38.56 | thebigdog | anyone know any good tools for copying dvds to hd on linux? |
| 22:41.05 | mindjuju | nope |
| 22:41.14 | mindjuju | i'm still having trouble just backing up my dvds to avi |
| 22:41.55 | thebigdog | i just need to copy the dvds to the hd first and then i want to convert after that |
| 22:42.04 | thebigdog | mindjuju on linux? |
| 22:42.10 | mindjuju | windows |
| 22:42.30 | thebigdog | divx utiltiy is good |
| 22:42.42 | mindjuju | yeah, thinking of buying that |
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| 22:45.03 | thebigdog | i heard it is really good...but if you have linux then you can use some utilties on there to do it |
| 22:45.40 | thebigdog | i have had some great results with some of the ones i have been doing |
| 22:46.31 | mindjuju | hmmm... free is good |
| 22:47.10 | thebigdog | it took me about 3 tries to get it but i figured it out |
| 22:47.16 | thebigdog | and beandog helped me out alot |
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| 22:48.38 | thebigdog | i do need to work on the volume though...they have low value |
| 22:49.02 | thebigdog | i ripped romeo+juliet the other night and it turned out great |
| 22:57.48 | macnewbold | other than the content... |
| 23:04.06 | mindjuju | i thought that was a pretty cool interp of Shakespeare |
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| 23:06.02 | macnewbold | wait, which one is that one? |
| 23:06.18 | macnewbold | if it was the one with leonardo diCrappio then I didn't like it |
| 23:06.24 | mindjuju | yeah, that's the one |
| 23:06.54 | mindjuju | it wasn't so much that he was in it, as it was that it was an interesting interp of the play |
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| 23:35.33 | macnewbold | yeah, I guess I can give it that |
| 23:37.11 | mindjuju | i really didn't like the end scene where Claire Danes cries over the body of Romeo. Crying sounded forced and fake |
| 23:48.27 | thebigdog | http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/25/wiibot-cuts-other-wiimote-hacks-down-to-size/ |
| 23:49.52 | thebigdog | mindjuju but i enjoy movies that use the original lang |
| 23:50.07 | thebigdog | im a big fan of movies and languages |
| 23:50.11 | thebigdog | i like subtitles |
| 23:52.11 | mindjuju | yeah, me too |
| 23:55.06 | tierra | thebigdog: I like to just use vobcopy for quick backups |
| 23:55.26 | thebigdog | tierra does that do movies? |
| 23:55.36 | tierra | yeah |
| 23:55.44 | thebigdog | ill try it out tonight and see how it works |
| 23:55.46 | thebigdog | ty |
| 23:55.52 | thebigdog | mindjuju i love kungfu movies |
| 23:56.04 | thebigdog | i love my kungfu hd movie channel |
| 23:56.21 | tierra | 'vobcopy -l' more specifically... you end up with one .vob file that plays great with mplayer (might not have as good of luck with other media players) |
| 23:57.02 | tierra | but mplayer is also the industry standard for video encoding, so it's not hard to go from that to any other format |
| 23:59.52 | mindjuju | kungfu hd movie channel? is there one -- and if so, who sells it? dishnetwork, directv or comcast? |
