| 00:01.04 | olds | San Jose airport........ |
| 00:01.09 | olds | to go to Reno? |
| 00:01.47 | olds | oh, I guess that's not too bad, just seems weird |
| 00:01.53 | olds | I was thinking San Diego |
| 00:02.02 | olds | nonetheless, Reno does have an airport |
| 00:02.12 | bradym | Going to HQ in Foster City, CA |
| 00:02.22 | olds | I c |
| 00:08.36 | dataw0lf | olds: I work out of the Reno office, but corporate headquarters are in Silicon Valley (FC, CA) |
| 00:09.10 | dataw0lf | and I'm totally replacing WebTrends with my own Python log parsing tool that took two weeks to develop, I rock. |
| 00:10.14 | dataw0lf | bradym: yea, you'll be interviewing with Kevin Lee in Foster City, according to my hq programmers. |
| 00:10.30 | dataw0lf | for your technical interview, that is. |
| 00:10.45 | dataw0lf | you'll probably have like 4 or 5 interviews at HQ one after the other, so be prepared for a long day. |
| 00:11.10 | bradym | Cool, Kevin is the one I had my interview on Friday with. |
| 00:11.41 | bradym | wow.. that is a long day |
| 00:11.50 | dataw0lf | yea. |
| 00:12.00 | dataw0lf | I flew there and was interviewing from 10 am to 4 pm |
| 00:12.06 | dataw0lf | it's easy though |
| 00:14.10 | dataw0lf | http://stderr.ws/dump/Kevin_Lee.jpg |
| 00:14.21 | dataw0lf | there's a picture of kevin so you have a pic to go with the name |
| 00:14.24 | bradym | do they have you do anything hands-on, or is it just interviews? |
| 00:14.36 | dataw0lf | just interviews |
| 00:14.41 | dataw0lf | it's pretty relaxed |
| 00:14.54 | bradym | nice |
| 00:15.10 | dataw0lf | you'll go in there, the secretary (who is really hot) will ask if you want anything to eat or anything, they'll take you to the kitchen where you can get <whatever> |
| 00:15.24 | bradym | lol |
| 00:16.02 | dataw0lf | I swear everyone there is good looking. |
| 00:17.14 | bradym | so i'll interview with Kevin for the technical interview, what other stuff do they do interviews on? |
| 00:17.17 | dataw0lf | pretty much the greatest place to work ever |
| 00:18.10 | dataw0lf | they'll have some V.P. interview you probably, but since I interviewed for a senior position, I dunno if they'll do that. A couple marketing people, a graphics person |
| 00:19.56 | bradym | so, i've never asked you.. what is your position? are you a team lead? |
| 00:20.24 | xilch|w | he's a line cook in the cafeteria |
| 00:20.30 | xilch|w | ;) |
| 00:20.35 | bradym | lol |
| 00:20.52 | dataw0lf | yea, I cook omeletes |
| 00:20.55 | beandog | hee hee |
| 00:20.55 | dataw0lf | das it |
| 00:20.57 | beandog | that's great |
| 00:21.02 | dataw0lf | I'm the tech lead on the Inkle team |
| 00:21.05 | dataw0lf | the 'R&D' team |
| 00:21.29 | bradym | meaning you play around with the cool stuff |
| 00:21.32 | bradym | right? |
| 00:21.36 | dataw0lf | yea, basically. |
| 00:21.42 | bradym | nice :) |
| 00:21.52 | dataw0lf | but QuinStreet isn't hierarchal at all, you won't have a chain of command |
| 00:21.58 | dataw0lf | it's much more independent than that. |
| 00:22.06 | bradym | wow.. that's interesting |
| 00:22.19 | dataw0lf | so you'll be a web dev, you'll just report to the marketing person in your team |
| 00:22.25 | dataw0lf | but they won't be in charge of you |
| 00:22.32 | dataw0lf | only V.P.s can fire. |
| 00:22.40 | dataw0lf | it works pretty sweet. |
| 00:22.47 | bradym | cool, sounds really nice |
| 00:22.56 | dataw0lf | but they have to get the right people for the right position, thus the huge interview process |
| 00:23.05 | dataw0lf | you'll do fine |
| 00:23.21 | dataw0lf | as long as you're a self starter and fairly talented, you'll go far in the company. |
| 00:23.31 | dataw0lf | they love to give raises every quarter. |
| 00:24.00 | bradym | i definitely like the sound of that :) |
| 00:24.13 | dataw0lf | I just can't wait for you to get hired so #uphpu can hear the propaganda from two people :) |
| 00:25.26 | bradym | lol, yeah |
| 00:25.27 | dataw0lf | just remember to tell them you want to be in Reno, and that Josh recommended you from the reno office, so you don't get stuck in San Mateo on 110k salary |
| 00:25.35 | dataw0lf | too expensive even for what they offer |
| 00:26.19 | dataw0lf | it'll be tempting, trust me, I was doing the math in my head when they offered me my salary, but Reno is so cheap and they'll pay you great (plus benefits, which are awesome) |
| 00:27.37 | bradym | you know what the average starting salary for the Reno office is? |
| 00:27.37 | dataw0lf | I'd lowball my salary range if I were you just because of the benefits and how quick you'll get promoted. |
| 00:27.37 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't ask for more than 80k |
| 00:27.42 | dataw0lf | to be safe, I'd tell you to ask for 60-65k, they'll give you 65k, but just in case they're considering anyone else (I haven't heard of though) |
| 00:28.08 | dataw0lf | and apartment prices are lower or the same as SLC, so don't worry about that |
| 00:28.52 | dataw0lf | I don't know exactly what web devs make in Reno, though. I know they make 90-110k though in San Mateo, but that's San Mateo. |
| 00:29.19 | dataw0lf | but with 60-65k you should be guaranteed the position, and you'll get to 70-75k in less than a year |
| 00:29.33 | bradym | wow |
| 00:29.59 | dataw0lf | they have no problems shelling out money to people ;) just the Inkle team is expected to bring in over a million a month ;) |
| 00:30.16 | dataw0lf | and HQ, much more, I suspect. |
| 00:30.57 | dataw0lf | just remember to tell me how much you love me when you get the job, I need these selfish reassurances to remind myself I'm important. |
| 00:31.13 | bradym | lol, i'll keep that in mind |
| 00:31.15 | bradym | ;) |
| 00:31.20 | dataw0lf | ;-) |
| 00:31.36 | dataw0lf | you'll do fine in the interview though, just dress up when in doubt. |
| 00:32.16 | dataw0lf | I wore a suit and tie, they seemed fairly impressive, but I'm a good looking kid, soo... ;-). Just joking, a jacket with tie should fine |
| 00:32.19 | dataw0lf | no jeans. |
| 00:32.28 | dataw0lf | s/impressive/impressed |
| 00:32.31 | bradym | oh yeah, i was planning to wear a suit |
| 00:32.38 | dataw0lf | good stuff, you'll be fine. |
| 00:33.19 | dataw0lf | frankly, on my interview, some V.P. came to interview me my second interview thinking I was some other guy and tried to rip into me about marketing strategies |
| 00:33.41 | dataw0lf | so, there I am, arguing, fairly successfully, about marketing strategies, and Aurelie came in and saved me |
| 00:33.52 | bradym | lol |
| 00:34.18 | dataw0lf | I'm like, damn, dude, I know I'm going for a manager position, but what do I care about marketing strategies |
| 00:34.30 | dataw0lf | so the B.S. monster arose in me and started laying into this V.P. |
| 00:34.42 | dataw0lf | Aurelie was cracking up when I told her the story after I realized this guy was just lost |
| 00:35.06 | dataw0lf | you might interview with Aurelie, she just got promoted |
| 00:35.09 | dataw0lf | she's awesome |
| 00:35.39 | dataw0lf | a lot of asians and europeans there, you'll notice that. |
| 00:35.42 | dataw0lf | it is San Fran, though. |
| 00:36.19 | bradym | yeah, no surprise there |
| 00:36.45 | dataw0lf | I just noticed I was logged into Aurelie's linux acct. /me logs out |
| 00:37.22 | dataw0lf | watch out though, most of the devs you work with are ! linux savvy |
| 00:37.29 | dataw0lf | they use webmin on their dev sites |
| 00:37.48 | dataw0lf | I'm trying to change this, but it's a long process |
| 00:38.33 | bradym | i used to use webmin, good tool for starting out.. but now that I know what i'm doing it's just annyong |
| 00:38.38 | bradym | *annoying |
| 00:40.18 | dataw0lf | webmin is ridiculous. |
| 00:40.23 | dataw0lf | just learn the cli, that's what I say. |
| 00:40.32 | dataw0lf | (and ordering our devs to do) |
| 00:42.12 | bradym | yeah, i used it cause i needed a server fast and didn't really have time to learn the *right* way to do it.. so i used it as a crutch till i did |
| 00:43.23 | dataw0lf | shouldn't be used professionally though, that's my deal |
| 00:43.55 | dataw0lf | it may or may not be a good teaching tool, I've never used it in such a capacity, but if you get hired and you're expected to know how to start / stop a mysql server, you shouldn't need Webmin |
| 00:45.08 | bradym | that i can agree with.. |
| 00:45.16 | dataw0lf | true dat |
| 00:45.39 | bradym | my job didn't originally include running a server, it's evolved quite a bit over the past 5 years |
| 00:45.52 | dataw0lf | it always does |
| 00:45.57 | bradym | yep |
| 00:46.04 | dataw0lf | you won't be expected to do so here, but it's always a good thing |
| 00:47.19 | bradym | definitely.. i'd much rather have a job that involves some type of change than be stuck doing the same thing all the time |
| 00:49.05 | dataw0lf | you'll like your job here :) |
| 00:49.52 | dataw0lf | if I replace Aaron as technical advisor for the HQ team, as I plan to do in several months, I'll be requiring a complete knowledge relearning by the teams that fall under him |
| 00:50.42 | dataw0lf | I'd much rather have kids who understand the ins and outs of TCP/IP fundamentals than someone who can quote me the correct paramaters for said PHP function. |
| 00:51.01 | dataw0lf | I mean, if you know programming, you can learn those specifics for any language on your own |
| 00:51.05 | beandog | I wanna have kids so I can beat *somebody* at Gamecube. |
| 00:51.25 | dataw0lf | realizing and intuiting how tcp/ip works in various network settings is a much more valuable asset in my opinion |
| 00:51.45 | dataw0lf | this is where me and Aaron butt heads right now |
| 00:54.19 | dataw0lf | let me find the meeting video of me arguing with Aaron about programming fundamentals. |
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| 01:46.50 | mindjuju | son of a ! |
| 01:47.02 | burnin | ? |
| 01:47.30 | mindjuju | i've finally found an AWESOME explination on how to get a frickin' div at the bottom of your page using only CSS |
| 01:47.37 | mindjuju | at the explain makes sense! |
| 01:47.38 | mindjuju | http://solardreamstudios.com/learn/css/footerstick/ |
| 01:48.57 | burnin | hmm, why does #container-foot have a bottom: 0 followed by a bottom: -1px? |
| 01:49.44 | burnin | hmm, nm, IE bug fix. |
| 01:50.06 | mindjuju | yeah, was just pasting that |
| 01:50.52 | mindjuju | this has been a really sucky day, it's nice to finally get something good out of waking up this morn |
| 01:54.59 | mindjuju | i should reply back to that CSS post. I just got a project where i had update this websites code cause it isn't IE7 compatible. With all the table formating, and bad JS, it's taking up about 1500 lines of nested tables insanity. |
| 01:55.18 | mindjuju | i've replacing it with about 30 lines of code, not including the CSS file |
| 01:55.26 | mindjuju | with CSS, prolly another 7 lines |
| 01:56.01 | burnin | holy crap, 1500 lines!!! |
| 01:56.09 | mindjuju | dude, it was madness |
| 01:56.42 | mindjuju | seven level nested tables just to get a pic in the right place |
| 01:56.56 | burnin | so you use parm:value; parm:value; param:value; on one line? |
| 01:57.20 | mindjuju | yup, that's how i love it |
| 01:57.48 | mindjuju | .mygreatcss {position:relative; float:left; something:here} |
| 01:58.20 | mindjuju | makes my CSS file size smaller |
| 01:59.21 | burnin | about 1 fewer byte per parameter vs. multiline? |
| 02:01.38 | mindjuju | not sure what the file savings are |
| 02:01.58 | mindjuju | but who wants to scroll though 10 pages of CSS just to see what up? |
| 02:02.40 | burnin | yes, good point |
| 02:03.00 | mindjuju | well, just my opinion |
| 02:03.07 | burnin | I do multiline but its more because css is still new for me. |
| 02:03.23 | mindjuju | well, wps has done it for years, and he does multiline |
| 02:03.38 | mindjuju | i guess in the end, it's a preference, file savings prolly aren't crazy big |
| 02:05.38 | mindjuju | hey, burnin, it seems that they've got an updated version of the URL i posted, |
| 02:05.39 | mindjuju | http://www.themaninblue.com/writing/perspective/2005/08/29/ |
| 02:05.48 | mindjuju | the man in blue is way cool |
| 02:11.56 | burnin | I forget, what does * html #nonFooter do? |
| 02:17.21 | burnin | hmm, I dont get it |
| 02:18.13 | burnin | there is an html selector and an * html #nonFooter selector, and the have the same parameter value. |
| 02:18.44 | burnin | and there is already a #nonFooter with its own parameters and values. |
| 02:20.35 | mindjuju | since IE and FF don't follow the same conventions in CSS, he's amking provisions for it |
| 02:21.21 | burnin | ah, I hate that crap |
| 02:21.22 | mindjuju | my understanding of the argument is that *nonFooter will not render correctly in IE |
| 02:21.38 | mindjuju | so, the provision is the next line, height:100% |
| 02:21.53 | mindjuju | still some hacking to get IE to do what it is suppose to |
| 02:22.02 | burnin | but won't it override the first #nonFooter parameters? |
| 02:22.10 | burnin | if FF |
| 02:22.13 | burnin | s/if/in |
| 02:22.42 | burnin | err, I guess it doesn't override any value from the first, nm. |
| 02:40.10 | mindjuju | any CSS pros around? |
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| 04:33.48 | mindjuju | anybody around? |
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| 04:39.43 | mindjuju | sup gents |
| 04:44.15 | mindjuju | wps, you around? |
| 04:44.34 | wps | yes |
| 04:45.45 | mindjuju | can you look at this if you've got a moment and maybe offer suggestions as to why the leftsplash div isn't going the length of the wrapper div |
| 04:45.46 | mindjuju | http://paste.css-standards.org/4321 |
| 04:46.34 | mindjuju | please! the CSS channel seems to have died down for the night and i've been kicking this around. |
| 04:47.01 | mindjuju | all the google pages say it is all in the wrapper div |
| 04:47.34 | wps | it's kind of hard to understand with just those three lines… do you have it in a page somewhere? |
| 04:48.50 | mindjuju | just sent it over PM -- the page was originally written in way old school JS / HTML , they want a code update, page needs to be identical to what it looks like now |
| 05:04.11 | wps | mindjuju: do you have a version of MSIE 6 handy? |
| 05:04.29 | mindjuju | hmmm... |
| 05:04.31 | mindjuju | let me check |
| 05:05.33 | mindjuju | got 1 on Win2k advanced server |
| 05:05.39 | mindjuju | shouldn't change much over the OS |
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| 16:31.49 | macnewbold | any mediawiki experts want a small contracting job to help do an upgrade? |
| 16:31.52 | Utah_Dave | morning all |
| 16:31.57 | macnewbold | g'day Utah_Dave |
| 16:34.41 | _psychic_ | a mediawiki upgrade? |
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| 16:37.06 | macnewbold | _psychic_: yes, a mediawiki upgrade |
| 16:37.27 | macnewbold | a guy from a local community council was asking me about it, but I'm no expert on mediawiki |
| 16:37.42 | macnewbold | said they've got a budget and are willing to compensate within their means |
| 16:47.28 | _psychic_ | macnewbold: from what version to what version? |
| 16:47.56 | macnewbold | he said a std. install "a few versions old" to current version |
| 16:48.09 | macnewbold | he's just not much of a sysadmin and would be more comfortable having someone hepl |
| 16:48.10 | macnewbold | hepl |
| 16:48.12 | macnewbold | help |
| 16:48.17 | macnewbold | (cold fingers, sorry) |
| 16:48.22 | macnewbold | he's in SLC, fwiw |
| 17:03.58 | tierra | macnewbold: I could probably pull that fairly quick and cheap... I'm familiar with MW 1.5 through the latest 1.9, if he has older, it may be a 2 step upgrade |
| 17:04.39 | macnewbold | tierra: I'll msg you the info, and if you have any questions, I'll ask him |
| 17:04.51 | macnewbold | otherwise, let me know the contact info I should give him for you |
| 17:04.56 | macnewbold | and I'll pass it along |
| 17:05.35 | tierra | alright |
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| 18:21.44 | mindjuju | yo fungus |
| 18:22.20 | fungus | oy mindjuju |
| 18:22.32 | mindjuju | are you still recording coast to coast? |
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| 18:23.29 | fungus | nah, I subscribe to too many podcasts to keep up with that one. |
| 18:23.33 | brasto | ~seen Lone_Wanderer |
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| 18:24.02 | dataw0lf | cole joplin is annoying. |
| 18:25.35 | mindjuju | oh, bummer. there was a broadcast last week where the guest said he had proof that the US had a mining operation on the moon and that we were launching astronauts and equipment from Antarctica. just got to hear about 2 minutes of it, but wanted to hear the rest. |
| 18:26.27 | mindjuju | cole joplin? he's been to the last couple of uphpu meets. seemed really cool to me |
| 18:28.50 | beandog | wouldnt mining the moon be rather expensive? |
| 18:29.13 | brasto | they've been talking about mining the moon since the 70s |
| 18:29.35 | brasto | not that i remember much from the 70s personally... |
| 18:30.28 | mindjuju | yeah, prolly be very expensive. i like hearing coast to coast cause they have some crazy stories |
| 18:30.37 | mindjuju | and that seemed like a whopper! |
| 18:31.12 | mindjuju | he had pics, but i didn't see what i thought looked like a refinery |
| 18:31.25 | mindjuju | looked like moon landscape to me, but... |
| 18:32.20 | fungus | coast 2 coast is really interesting sometimes, but other times it is so off the wall that it is ridiculous. |
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| 18:34.03 | mindjuju | yeah, but even when it is ridiculous, it's funny to hear the stories |
| 18:34.28 | mindjuju | like that guy that called a month ago who said he was Jesus reincarnate |
| 18:35.09 | dataw0lf | who says he isn't/ |
| 18:35.11 | dataw0lf | ? |
| 18:37.02 | mindjuju | funny you should ask. when George Nory asked him all sorts of questions like what was he doing, and what was his mission. stuff like that |
| 18:37.56 | dataw0lf | I'm pretty sure if Jesus coming back is a possibility, that he's already come and been snuffed. |
| 18:38.02 | dataw0lf | he's probably begging for change in Central Park. |
| 18:41.48 | mindjuju | hmmm... |
| 18:42.38 | dataw0lf | or maybe he's blogging |
| 18:42.45 | dataw0lf | hehe, Jesus blogging |
| 18:42.57 | mindjuju | well, i wasn't hmmm... ing your IRC comments, i was thinking about your email |
| 18:44.01 | mindjuju | the W3C supports CSS , which to me means it has stronger staying power than other technologies |
| 18:44.10 | brasto | lol dataw0lf: still using tables for some layouts doth not a dinosaur make me |
| 18:45.03 | mindjuju | course though, seems like the w3c has supported other techs that didn't make it. soo.... |
| 18:45.03 | brasto | i'm for no-table layouts, but that was a good line, dataw0lf |
| 18:46.40 | brasto | i never thought i'd see it happen again... i'm hearing Rocky music on TV again... |
| 18:46.51 | mindjuju | rocky music? |
| 18:46.52 | brasto | for contemporary tv commercials... |
| 18:46.58 | mindjuju | oh, that new movie |
| 18:47.06 | mindjuju | i love wikipedia |
| 18:47.09 | brasto | or, those old movies... |
| 18:47.24 | mindjuju | if you wiki rocky balboa, it'll tell you the whole movie, ending and all |
| 18:47.27 | brasto | music revived by new movie |
| 18:47.40 | beandog | is there an easy way to make a one-pixel line using just CSS |
| 18:47.51 | brasto | it will right now, but will it tomorrow? |
| 18:47.54 | beandog | vertical, in fact. |
| 18:47.54 | brasto | lol |
| 18:48.45 | brasto | beandog, you can background-repeat vertically a single pixel file... |
| 18:49.03 | dataw0lf | beandog: border-right: 1px solid black; |
| 18:49.23 | brasto | that, too... |
| 18:49.37 | brasto | no single-pixel file needed... |
| 18:50.42 | beandog | hmm, no workie |
| 18:50.44 | beandog | Ill just make an image, since Ill probably have to change the height anyway. |
| 18:58.45 | dataw0lf | _psy[lunch]: responded |
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| 19:08.10 | _psy[lunch] | dataw0lf: responded |
| 19:09.42 | *** join/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 19:10.06 | mgeary | hi folks |
| 19:10.36 | burnin | hi |
| 19:10.45 | mgeary | hey does anyone here use qmail? I'm a postfix guy myself, but i've got a server here with qmail, and i can't find where it stores the mail logs, or if logs are even being kept |
| 19:11.56 | _psy[lunch] | mgeary: http://qmail.jms1.net/logfiles.shtml (might help) |
| 19:12.20 | mgeary | looks promising. thanks |
| 19:19.23 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: responded |
| 19:19.50 | *** join/#uphpu gthornock (n=gthornoc@158.91.196.32) |
| 19:21.25 | dataw0lf | 10 million people a month on our sites |
| 19:21.38 | dataw0lf | on one of our sites that is |
| 19:22.20 | mindjuju | I think that we should settle that CSS argument on the mailing list through gloves... 50 pound gloves |
| 19:22.55 | mindjuju | or sumo suits |
| 19:23.00 | dataw0lf | both |
| 19:27.10 | brasto | alert for wps: that Ingenix job posting is probably a scam |
| 19:27.17 | brasto | search google for Ingenix |
| 19:27.35 | mgeary | "google? sure, i've used the google before...." |
| 19:27.46 | brasto | wait, maybe not |
| 19:27.56 | brasto | i got it mixed up with Impex possibly |
| 19:28.18 | brasto | wps never mind, false alert |
| 19:28.32 | brasto | I did, indeed confuse it with Impex Consult |
| 19:29.04 | mindjuju | _psychic_ your not on the member list. http://uphpu.org/membership/ |
| 19:29.19 | mindjuju | i'm guessing your talking about the mailing list CSS battle? |
| 19:29.43 | dataw0lf | _psychic_ = Anderson |
| 19:29.43 | _psychic_ | I didn't know about that list |
| 19:33.00 | thebigdog | lol nice little flame war on php dev mailing list about licenses and usage of php |
| 19:34.29 | mindjuju | sup thebigdog |
| 19:34.37 | thebigdog | not much ...just work man |
| 19:34.46 | mindjuju | yeah, same here |
| 19:35.02 | thebigdog | and reading the stupid peps on php-dev mailing list |
| 19:35.15 | thebigdog | another big reason i cant stand the php group |
| 19:37.03 | brasto | thebigdog: which php group? |
| 19:37.14 | thebigdog | php dev group |
| 19:37.15 | brasto | after all, this is a php group, is it not? ;) |
| 19:37.30 | thebigdog | not "the php group" |
| 19:37.44 | brasto | lol |
| 19:37.54 | brasto | is the php dev group a large one? |
| 19:38.01 | mindjuju | anybody know the correct mime content type for mp3? i'm looking on iana, and i see the one for mp4, but mp3 isn't listed |
| 19:38.39 | _psychic_ | audio/mp3 |
| 19:38.43 | thebigdog | brasto that is the official name of the developers of php |
| 19:38.47 | thebigdog | the php group |
| 19:39.09 | _psychic_ | mindjuju: audio/mp3 |
| 19:39.46 | mindjuju | that's what i thought it was, but didn't see it listed with iana. oh well, i guess it doesn't really make a hoot of difference |
| 19:40.36 | _psychic_ | that should work with most browsers |
| 19:41.32 | brasto | anyone know of a good way to markup sheet music? |
| 19:41.49 | mgeary | brasto: what do you mean? |
| 19:41.54 | brasto | <sup> for chords? |
| 19:42.08 | brasto | i'll put up a static example page... |
| 19:42.10 | brasto | one moment |
| 19:42.36 | _psychic_ | brasto: in XML? |
| 19:43.06 | brasto | i was thinking xhtml, but xml with appropriate style sheets for display may work as well if not better. |
| 19:44.39 | mindjuju | oh hey, i found it. it should be audio/mpeg as defined by http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc3003.txt |
| 19:44.59 | mindjuju | i sure wish i had more time to read through RFCs |
| 19:45.04 | thebigdog | brasto check out musicxml |
| 19:45.08 | _psychic_ | brasto: I would imagine there are industry standard file formats for that (like Finale, etc.) |
| 19:45.11 | brasto | http://flfn.org/IdontWantToLiveOnTheMoon.html |
| 19:45.18 | brasto | that's how I've done it |
| 19:45.34 | mgeary | hey, i've got Kermit the Frog singing that song |
| 19:45.39 | brasto | i'm looking for simple chords, not all the notes |
| 19:45.52 | brasto | eg: for my guitar music on the web |
| 19:46.06 | brasto | Kermy, or Earnie? |
| 19:46.12 | brasto | Ernie? |
| 19:46.18 | mgeary | hrm. might be Ernie |
| 19:46.22 | brasto | Ernie sings it, never heard Kermie sing it |
| 19:46.24 | mgeary | hard to say, you know :) |
| 19:46.27 | brasto | lol |
| 19:46.38 | brasto | same actor for both puppets... |
| 19:46.47 | brasto | mgeary, you have it on CD? |
| 19:46.49 | mgeary | yep |
| 19:47.05 | brasto | btw, I picked out the chords myself, so I don't know if they are accurate |
| 19:47.50 | mgeary | we got it from Amazon |
| 19:47.54 | mgeary | sec |
| 19:48.15 | mgeary | http://www.amazon.com/Sesame-Street-Platinum-Favorites-Blister/dp/B000002B8G/sr=8-1/qid=1169581689/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-0211136-2193538?ie=UTF8&s=music |
| 19:48.56 | thebigdog | brasto http://www.recordare.com/software.html |
| 19:53.24 | mindjuju | proof that you should never be mean to a pregnant woman - http://kutv.com/local/local_story_023125730.html |
| 19:55.53 | mgeary | naw, c'mon. i want MORE proof ;) |
| 19:56.59 | dataw0lf | _psychic_: pshaw. |
| 19:57.02 | dataw0lf | Responded. |
| 19:58.05 | _psychic_ | haha |
| 19:58.08 | _psychic_ | bring it mister |
| 19:58.23 | _psychic_ | or should I say, "Mr. Dinosaur" ?! |
| 19:58.43 | mindjuju | heh |
| 20:01.15 | timinator | :) |
| 20:01.18 | brasto | I just searched for Daniel Crookston on dexonline. He's not listed. Anyone have a number they can email me so we don't put it on the web. |
| 20:01.20 | brasto | lol |
| 20:01.36 | macnewbold | haha |
| 20:01.40 | dataw0lf | yea, I got it somewhere. |
| 20:01.52 | macnewbold | I've got at least an email for him, and probably a phone number, brasto |
| 20:02.02 | mgeary | remember that Seinfeld about Jimmy? "hey, Jimmy thinks you're hot" |
| 20:02.12 | mgeary | at least, i think his name was Jimmy |
| 20:02.29 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:02.34 | dataw0lf | dang, my phone is dead. |
| 20:02.53 | mgeary | yep. Jimmy |
| 20:03.00 | mgeary | http://www.tv.com/seinfeld/the-jimmy/episode/2345/summary.html |
| 20:03.17 | dataw0lf | doesn't MySQL keep users in an internal table? |
| 20:03.28 | mgeary | in the "users" table |
| 20:03.36 | brasto | macnewbold - i need to talk to him about our presenting on Saturday, and gave him my number, but never heard from him, and haven't seen him online. I have his email, so I'll try that. If you have his phone somewhere, please email it to me. |
| 20:03.43 | dataw0lf | huh. tisn't dumping the user table. |
| 20:04.30 | brasto | thebigdog and mgeary, thanks for the links |
| 20:04.46 | brasto | and timinator, thanks for the head-pat :) |
| 20:04.46 | mgeary | brasto: i can rip that track and post tomorrow, if you'd like |
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| 20:06.22 | dataw0lf | argh |
| 20:06.29 | brasto | mgeary, i just located an mp3 on the web, i think it's legal as well |
| 20:07.04 | mgeary | enjoy |
| 20:09.24 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 20:13.33 | orson | heh |
| 20:14.22 | orson | perhaps a couple gigs. |
| 20:14.50 | orson | not counting podcasts |
| 20:25.35 | brasto | timinator, i'm going to make at least 2, maybe 3 bookcases from oak. might mlt help me find a better price than $50 for a 4' x 8' x 3/4"? |
| 20:26.16 | timinator | not in hardwood... |
| 20:26.21 | timinator | and not in that QTY |
| 20:26.41 | timinator | if you want $100,000 in studs or decking, give me a call |
| 20:26.45 | timinator | :) |
| 20:26.47 | brasto | lol |
| 20:27.04 | brasto | QTY? |
| 20:27.14 | brasto | jbot, what is qty? |
| 20:27.16 | jbot | brasto: what are you talking about? |
| 20:27.16 | timinator | quantity |
| 20:27.20 | brasto | lol |
| 20:27.22 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:27.42 | dataw0lf | jbot, shut up |
| 20:27.43 | jbot | yes, master dataw0lf |
| 20:27.51 | timinator | LOLOLOL |
| 20:28.06 | dataw0lf | jbot, don't screw with me, you don't want a piece |
| 20:28.19 | dataw0lf | jbot, you can talk again |
| 20:28.26 | brasto | jbot, QTY might be quality or quantity, depending on who you ask |
| 20:28.58 | dataw0lf | ~lart _psychic_ |
| 20:29.29 | brasto | jbot, what is QTY? |
| 20:29.31 | jbot | brasto: what are you talking about? |
| 20:29.38 | timinator | ~timattack jbot |
| 20:29.39 | jbot | ACTION grabs an axe and starts to go postal on jbot! |
| 20:29.53 | brasto | jbot, QTY is, or rather, might be quality or quantity, depending on who you ask |
| 20:30.15 | brasto | jbot, what is QTY? |
| 20:30.17 | jbot | brasto: what are you talking about? |
| 20:30.25 | brasto | stupid jbot! |
| 20:30.26 | brasto | lol |
| 20:30.50 | timinator | lol |
| 20:32.09 | brasto | jbot QTY is or rather, might be quality or quantity, depending on who you ask |
| 20:32.11 | jbot | brasto: okay |
| 20:32.11 | _psychic_ | jbot: QTY is the keyword that triggers /ignore brasto |
| 20:32.12 | jbot | ...but qty is already something else... |
| 20:32.13 | brasto | jbot, what is QTY? |
| 20:32.15 | jbot | brasto: what are you talking about? |
| 20:32.16 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:32.16 | dataw0lf | jbot, QTY is quality or quantity, depending on whom you ask |
| 20:32.17 | jbot | ...but qty is already something else... |
| 20:32.17 | brasto | ~lart jbot |
| 20:32.22 | _psychic_ | ~qty |
| 20:32.23 | jbot | extra, extra, read all about it, qty is or rather, might be quality or quantity, depending on who you ask |
| 20:32.24 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 20:32.32 | dataw0lf | ~_psychic_ |
| 20:32.40 | timinator | aaahhhhh.... make it stop |
| 20:33.28 | dataw0lf | jbot, _psychic_ is John David Anderson, or an unrepentant CSS evangelist |
| 20:33.29 | jbot | okay, dataw0lf |
| 20:33.34 | dataw0lf | ~_psychic_ |
| 20:33.36 | jbot | hmm... _psychic_ is John David Anderson, or an unrepentant CSS evangelist |
| 20:33.57 | timinator | LOL |
| 20:34.15 | _psychic_ | pray tell, how do I cleanse my soul? |
| 20:34.17 | brasto | ~abba |
| 20:34.18 | jbot | well, abba is swedish torture music |
| 20:34.23 | brasto | lol |
| 20:34.27 | brasto | rotfl |
| 20:34.39 | dataw0lf | ~ratm |
| 20:35.04 | dataw0lf | jbot, RATM is Rage Against The Machine, the greatest band that has ever existed. |
| 20:35.06 | jbot | dataw0lf: okay |
| 20:35.09 | dataw0lf | ~ratm |
| 20:35.11 | jbot | methinks ratm is Rage Against The Machine, the greatest band that has ever existed. |
| 20:35.17 | dataw0lf | very good jbot |
| 20:35.47 | brasto | gotta go all, c-y'all later |
| 20:35.50 | drip | Don't let thebigdog see that.. he'll get upset that you didn't put that down as Bette Midler or Neil Diamond. |
| 20:35.56 | dataw0lf | it's kind of scary that the Army finds me before anyone else does, and sends me the Army Times less than a week after I've moved to my new location |
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| 20:39.26 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: it's cause you're on that watchlist now... |
| 20:46.02 | dataw0lf | http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2814305&page=1 |
| 20:46.03 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 20:48.03 | _psychic_ | Wait a minute.... they're saying that GW isn't doing a fantastic job? |
| 20:49.13 | _psychic_ | Hm. Actually ABC's definition of promise seems a little lax. |
| 20:50.04 | dataw0lf | with the congress he had, he should've been able to get anything and everything he promised done. |
| 20:51.24 | _psychic_ | I'm not seeing where he actually promised yet (in that article). |
| 20:51.43 | _psychic_ | Don't get me wrong, I think he has underperformed, but the article says "promise" and Bush never says that. |
| 20:53.25 | dataw0lf | a state of the union address, by definition, is a 1) public consideration of the direction of the country, and 2) a public outline of realistic goals that are 'promised' to be fulfilled |
| 20:54.05 | _psychic_ | So "I ask you to help me" == "I promise" ? |
| 20:54.16 | macnewbold | dataw0lf: where's that definition? |
| 20:54.50 | dataw0lf | (#utah) |
| 20:55.03 | dataw0lf | dang it |
| 20:55.05 | dataw0lf | The State of the Union Address is an annual event in which the President of the United States reports on the status of the country, normally to a joint session of the U.S. Congress (the House of Representatives and the Senate). The address is also used to outline the President's legislative proposals for the upcoming year. |
| 20:55.25 | _psychic_ | proposal != promise either |
| 20:55.35 | _psychic_ | ~wiki state of the union address |
| 20:55.38 | dataw0lf | proposal means, you know, it'll be proposed |
| 20:56.00 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: right... |
| 20:56.58 | _psychic_ | I think they're making something out of nothing though. |
| 20:57.24 | dataw0lf | well, we can't always focus on how terrible he's done in foreign policy. We have to point out all the other areas he's failed in too (everything) |
| 20:57.35 | dataw0lf | Bush really will go down as the worst president ever. |
| 20:58.04 | _psychic_ | Right, but point out his failures. That's easy. You don't have to go and make promises out of proposals though. |
| 20:59.23 | dataw0lf | what did he accomplish though? 'Promise Kept: Immigration Reform' bologna. |
| 20:59.42 | dataw0lf | especially when his party controlled all three branches of the government |
| 20:59.47 | dataw0lf | you'd think he'd get something useful done. |
| 21:00.01 | _psychic_ | Then say that instead of he broke promises. |
| 21:01.34 | dataw0lf | it's the media. They could say that Iraq is completely and utterly unsalvagable, but they don't say it. |
| 21:02.15 | _psychic_ | ~asplode the_media |
| 21:02.18 | jbot | the_media head asplode, k thx |
| 21:02.35 | dataw0lf | the only way to sell news is to make it newsworthy. I'm not going to argue over the use of the word 'promise', but it's interesting that in a completely republican controlled government, how he failed to get almost anything done that he outlined in his last SOTU |
| 21:02.58 | macnewbold | ~seen fungus |
| 21:03.06 | jbot | fungus is currently on #utah (3h 26m 52s) #uphpu (3h 26m 52s). Has said a total of 3 messages. Is idling for 2h 30m 46s, last said: 'coast 2 coast is really interesting sometimes, but other times it is so off the wall that it is ridiculous.'. |
| 21:03.11 | _psychic_ | dataw0lf: I agree |
| 21:13.36 | _psychic_ | use tables instead |
| 21:13.44 | thebigdog | +1 tables |
| 21:14.02 | _psychic_ | its like peeing your pants in the winter |
| 21:14.06 | _psychic_ | :) |
| 21:14.20 | thebigdog | riding a scooter |
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| 21:22.47 | scott___ | anyone know of a prepackaged " |
| 21:23.28 | scott___ | "client login" section for websites that handles logins, posting documents for specific clients/groups to see, etc? |
| 21:23.51 | scott___ | seems like a common enough feature on websites that maybe someone's made a php (or other language) package with that functionality |
| 21:24.42 | jsmith | How heavy on the "document management" side of things? |
| 21:24.54 | scott___ | not a CMS |
| 21:24.56 | jsmith | I played with one a while ago called KnowledgeTree, but it was written in Java |
| 21:25.11 | jsmith | It would keep track of different revisions, etc. of the documents |
| 21:25.39 | scott___ | revision control si nice, but a full fledged knowledge base is rpobably too much |
| 21:25.56 | scott___ | I was hoping for a web2.0ish solution that's pretty small and almost drag and drop it works :) |
| 21:35.42 | gthornock | Is there a way to use mod_rewrite to clean up query strings (convert '&' to '&' for instance)? |
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| 22:10.14 | dataw0lf | gthornock: yes. |
| 22:17.45 | gthornock | dataw0lf: How? Everything that comes up on Google seems to believe that you can rewrite the base URL, but not the query string. |
| 22:20.54 | dataw0lf | just replace & to &, I don't see what the problem is. |
| 22:22.26 | dataw0lf | http://fantomaster.com/faarticles/rewritingurls.txt |
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| 22:28.35 | Lone_Wanderer | Ahoy. |
| 22:29.14 | dataw0lf | Ahoy, I'm sailing. |
| 22:29.25 | dataw0lf | I'm a sailor. I sail. |
| 22:33.25 | Lone_Wanderer | You sail. You sailed. You will sail. |
| 22:33.47 | Lone_Wanderer | We sail, they sail, (s)he sails |
| 22:33.49 | Lone_Wanderer | Fairly regular. |
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| 22:34.57 | dataw0lf | I swear, beandog and swb are the same person. |
| 22:35.25 | swb | nope |
| 22:35.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Of course *you'd* say that. |
| 22:35.48 | Lone_Wanderer | You need to maintain your secret identity. |
| 22:36.40 | swb | do any of you guys have company libraries? or institution journal subscriptions? |
| 22:36.58 | jsmith | swb: We do! |
| 22:37.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I've got a library but I'm not a company :( |
| 22:38.06 | swb | jsmith: I was wondering how you manage the library... specific program? |
| 22:38.52 | dataw0lf | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/200701/pup2/addedsql.jpg |
| 22:39.02 | jsmith | swb: Naw, it's called the honor system. You should check it out. |
| 22:39.28 | dataw0lf | she can't check it out if there isn't a system in place! jeez. |
| 22:40.07 | swb | we have mostly journals (hard copy), some articles (pdfs) that need to be consolidated |
| 22:42.09 | Lone_Wanderer | I want to build a nuclear reactor. |
| 22:42.12 | Lone_Wanderer | It can't be that hard. |
| 22:45.57 | swb | u guys star wars fans? |
| 22:46.21 | swb | this is kinda funny: http://twitter.com/darthvader/all_updates |
| 22:46.51 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: I recommend you check out "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhoades |
| 22:46.55 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: http://www.amazon.com/Making-Atomic-Bomb-Richard-Rhodes/dp/0684813785/sr=8-1/qid=1169592386/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/105-2071708-8780435?ie=UTF8&s=books |
| 22:47.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, I don't want to make an atomic bomb. |
| 22:47.11 | jsmith | dataw0lf: Great image... I gotta save that |
| 22:47.12 | Lone_Wanderer | Just a nuclear reactor. |
| 22:47.32 | jsmith | Lone_Wanderer: You'll need the knowledge out of that book, and it's follow up called "Dark Sun" |
| 22:48.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Can't I just look it up on Wikipedia? |
| 22:49.33 | Lone_Wanderer | Hmm, maybe a nuclear reactor isn't what I'm thinking of. |
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| 22:50.56 | dataw0lf | http://thrillingwonder.blogspot.com/2006/12/mystery-photo-one-seriously-empowered.html |
| 22:51.19 | jsmith | A collider? |
| 22:51.39 | jsmith | There's an extra one at Argonne National Labs that isn't supposed to exist... maybe they'd let you borrow it. |
| 22:52.29 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm sure I can just show up and go "Hey I'd like to borrow your nuclear reactor. I've got a van out here, care to help me load it up?" |
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