| 00:00.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Hey, I read War and Peace. |
| 00:01.10 | Lone_Wanderer | There's nothing wrong with Tolstoy. |
| 00:01.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Anna Karenina is still required reading in Russian schools. |
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| 01:14.49 | mindjuju | dataw0lf, you still around? |
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| 02:55.21 | mindjuju | wow |
| 02:55.22 | mindjuju | http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_017115532.html |
| 03:05.49 | _psychic_ | sponsoring a contest where people die is probably gonna get you fired in any job |
| 03:07.09 | mindjuju | yeah |
| 03:07.19 | mindjuju | over a stupid nintendo |
| 03:09.46 | _psychic_ | it was for her kikds |
| 03:09.48 | _psychic_ | (kids |
| 03:09.59 | _psychic_ | seems like your body would start giving warning signals at some point |
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| 15:15.49 | dataw0lf | mindjuju: I am no |
| 15:15.52 | dataw0lf | now* |
| 15:16.04 | dataw0lf | And, regarding the woman who drank herself to death, she signed a waiver |
| 15:16.35 | dataw0lf | If she was too stupid to realize that drinking almost two gallons of water is a bad thing, it's natural selection. |
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| 15:56.15 | thebigdog | ~morning |
| 15:56.21 | jbot | Good morning! |
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| 16:03.31 | mgeary | hey anyone here know much about Tomcat? |
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| 16:34.41 | dataw0lf | http://skillsdjworkshop.com/pop07/ |
| 16:34.48 | dataw0lf | for all you techno people |
| 16:34.56 | dataw0lf | optikal ^^ tierra |
| 16:35.04 | dataw0lf | mindjuju too |
| 16:35.19 | dataw0lf | who else listens to that crap in here? |
| 16:47.00 | optikal | groovey |
| 16:47.15 | optikal | Thats a badass promo page |
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| 16:47.35 | optikal | err, *bad |
| 16:47.58 | dataw0lf | my gf is forcing me to go |
| 16:48.17 | dataw0lf | so if anyone wants to drive down there with me, they can drive to Reno and leave their car at my apt and I'll drive the rest of the way |
| 16:48.29 | optikal | oooh. |
| 16:48.38 | optikal | Infected Mushroom is just.. amazing live |
| 16:48.51 | optikal | I'd love to see them again |
| 16:49.02 | optikal | Mark Farina, nice |
| 16:49.43 | dataw0lf | I'll be listening to the Clash and the Misfits on headphones |
| 16:49.58 | dataw0lf | hopefully Benny brings the girls from the Satisfaction video |
| 16:50.04 | optikal | hehe |
| 16:51.25 | dataw0lf | stupid Tkinter |
| 16:52.59 | thebigdog | mgeary im familiar with it |
| 16:56.18 | mgeary | hi thebigdog. i *may* have worked around my issue. but can you explain this-- it appears that for every site defined in server.xml, a directory gets created in <tomcat_root>/work/Catalina/<sitename>/_/org/apache/jsp. What is the story with this directory? |
| 16:56.58 | mgeary | i pointed server.xml at the public_html directory, and it was barfing at me that it wasn't finding some expected files in the above-mentioned jsp directory |
| 16:57.26 | mgeary | fortunately, i worked around the issue by simply copying the files from another instance of the same site. but.... |
| 17:04.00 | thebigdog | mgeary, that is where it adds the compiled jsp files |
| 17:05.19 | mgeary | thebigdog: where does it expect to find the uncompiled versions of those files? Are we talking about files that aren't normally in the webroot to start with? |
| 17:05.47 | thebigdog | they are usually found under ROOT folder or in war files that are uncompressed |
| 17:09.04 | thebigdog | brb |
| 17:10.28 | mgeary | thanks for the info. |
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| 17:18.45 | thebigdog | mgeary did that answer your question for ya? |
| 17:19.38 | mgeary | well, i'm just trying to gain a broader perspective. get some background info. the acute problem was resolved by my copying the files from the other instance. so thanks for being there :) |
| 17:20.24 | thebigdog | np, i use it all the time so ping me if you need help with anything |
| 17:20.28 | mgeary | will do |
| 17:24.32 | macnewbold | ~lart mindjuju |
| 17:24.37 | thebigdog | mindjuju you around? |
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| 17:54.25 | Utah_Dave | dataw0lf: you around? |
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| 18:00.45 | wps | I am Don Quijote |
| 18:01.01 | dataw0lf | Utah_Dave: aye. |
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| 18:11.03 | dataw0lf | mmm, dry salami, turkey, tomato, and mayo sandwich |
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| 18:15.41 | Lone_Wanderer | "eMachines provide a valuable product to the low-end PC market" - discuss |
| 18:15.42 | mgeary | AMEN on the salami comment |
| 18:15.53 | mgeary | genoa salami++ |
| 18:16.14 | Lone_Wanderer | ~mgeary |
| 18:16.33 | mgeary | with a nice havarti on a subtle german rye |
| 18:16.34 | Lone_Wanderer | hmm |
| 18:16.36 | Lone_Wanderer | ~dataw0lf |
| 18:16.38 | jbot | i heard dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr |
| 18:17.41 | dataw0lf | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id//16668110/ |
| 18:18.11 | mgeary | forgive an ignorant IRCer, but what is the tilde for? I gather it retrieves a snippet from the jbot, but, uhhhh.....? |
| 18:19.16 | dataw0lf | it's the character that defines that it's a command meant for jbot |
| 18:19.26 | dataw0lf | ~lart mgeart |
| 18:19.29 | dataw0lf | ~lart mgeary |
| 18:19.31 | dataw0lf | dang it |
| 18:19.46 | mgeary | heh |
| 18:20.04 | Lone_Wanderer | When you say "~(some user's nick)", jbot retrieves what people have told it about that user. |
| 18:20.07 | Lone_Wanderer | ~Lone_Wanderer |
| 18:20.14 | jbot | well, lone_wanderer is out riding fences |
| 18:20.16 | Lone_Wanderer | I was wondering who you are. |
| 18:20.24 | Lone_Wanderer | 'cause I don't recognize the nick |
| 18:20.40 | mgeary | Michael Geary |
| 18:20.43 | Lone_Wanderer | Hi. |
| 18:20.46 | mgeary | residing in Provo, working in Orem |
| 18:21.00 | mgeary | manager/founder of the Utah Director & Flash Users Group lo these many years |
| 18:21.01 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: mgeary is Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. |
| 18:21.04 | jbot | Lone_Wanderer: okay |
| 18:21.26 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot mgeary is also a Flash Weenie |
| 18:21.29 | jbot | Lone_Wanderer: okay |
| 18:21.33 | Lone_Wanderer | ;) |
| 18:21.34 | mgeary | hey |
| 18:21.42 | mgeary | i'm a "Director snob" more than a "Flash weenie" |
| 18:21.44 | Lone_Wanderer | (You can change it.) |
| 18:21.57 | mgeary | nah. that'd compromise the integrity of the system ;) |
| 18:22.14 | Lone_Wanderer | Sweet. I am now "the system". |
| 18:23.12 | mgeary | jbot: mgeary is NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127 |
| 18:23.15 | jbot | ...but mgeary is already something else... |
| 18:23.44 | Lone_Wanderer | it's "jbot: mgeary is also NOT this dude: (url)" |
| 18:24.03 | mgeary | ah, ALSO :D |
| 18:24.26 | mgeary | jbot: mgeary is also NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127 |
| 18:24.27 | jbot | okay, mgeary |
| 18:24.28 | Lone_Wanderer | Or you can wipe the whole thing by asking him who you are, then saying "jbot: no, mgeary is (whatever)". That will replace whatever he's got with your new thing. |
| 18:24.31 | Lone_Wanderer | ~mgeary |
| 18:24.33 | jbot | well, mgeary is Michael Geary, residing in Provo and working in Orem. a Flash Weenie. NOT this dude: http://www.panchang.com/aboutus/?tab=200&contentid=127 |
| 18:24.47 | mgeary | sweet |
| 18:25.11 | mgeary | but hey, if anyone DOES need Vedic life coaching, i'm sure i can hook you up |
| 18:25.24 | Lone_Wanderer | That's unfortunate, I was hoping for some Vedic coaching and my own personal star chart. |
| 18:25.30 | dataw0lf | but are you this guy: http://director-online.com/features/jpg/michaelG.jpg ? |
| 18:25.36 | mgeary | why, yes. yes i am :) |
| 18:25.38 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: You're fired. |
| 18:25.55 | Lone_Wanderer | Fired from what position? |
| 18:25.55 | dataw0lf | You're not allowed to make logical statements for one hour. |
| 18:26.18 | Lone_Wanderer | Okay. I'll start by arguing in favor of creationism. |
| 18:27.09 | Lone_Wanderer | Just kidding. |
| 18:28.20 | mgeary | dang |
| 18:28.29 | dataw0lf | I don't argue against creationism. I argue for evolution. There's no comparing the two, but people still seem to confuse science and faith. |
| 18:28.57 | _psychic__ | mythos and logos |
| 18:29.37 | dataw0lf | so true |
| 18:29.43 | dataw0lf | at least Plato was right about something.. |
| 18:29.54 | Lone_Wanderer | Plato made it easy to explain OO programming. |
| 18:30.33 | _psychic__ | The allegory of the cave? |
| 18:30.45 | Lone_Wanderer | No, Platonic ideals. |
| 18:31.01 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 18:31.06 | Lone_Wanderer | He talked about how we know that a cat is a cat and a chair is a chair, even though all cats and chairs are different. |
| 18:31.10 | dataw0lf | The Allegory of the Cave. good one, _psychic__ |
| 18:31.33 | _psychic__ | Mmm or would that be tables-layout vs. CSS? |
| 18:31.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Because there exists, somewhere in our brain, an "idea" of a cat - the Platonic ideal. Every real cat is just an instance of the "idea cat". |
| 18:32.05 | mgeary | you mean a subclass ;) |
| 18:32.17 | Lone_Wanderer | No, a subclass would be tigers, lions, and housecats |
| 18:32.28 | Lone_Wanderer | they're all subclasses of the "cat" class. |
| 18:32.38 | dataw0lf | 'real cats' would be instances |
| 18:32.57 | dataw0lf | the idea cat would a class |
| 18:33.02 | dataw0lf | Lone_Wanderer: Oh, I missed that. |
| 18:33.05 | fungus | class Cat {} |
| 18:33.12 | fungus | $Fluffy = new Cat; |
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| 18:33.23 | Lone_Wanderer | $fluffy->pet() |
| 18:33.30 | Lone_Wanderer | $fluffy->feed() |
| 18:33.42 | Lone_Wanderer | Now Fluffy will love me forever! Mwua ha ha ha haa! |
| 18:33.55 | fungus | unset($fluffy); |
| 18:33.56 | dataw0lf | class Dog(object): pass |
| 18:33.58 | mgeary | no, only for N turns. until you throw more food at him |
| 18:34.02 | Lone_Wanderer | :'( |
| 18:34.10 | dataw0lf | fido = Cat() |
| 18:34.12 | dataw0lf | err |
| 18:34.14 | dataw0lf | fido = Dog() |
| 18:34.17 | Lone_Wanderer | You killed my virtual cat! |
| 18:34.35 | _psychic__ | not until garbage collection hits |
| 18:34.56 | dataw0lf | fido.eat(fungus.pet(cat)) |
| 18:34.58 | fungus | del(fido) |
| 18:35.01 | dataw0lf | MUHAHAHA |
| 18:35.06 | Lone_Wanderer | Ohhh, just a tiny bit too late there. |
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| 18:43.30 | macnewbold | hehe |
| 18:43.45 | Lone_Wanderer | Apparently, they do. |
| 18:43.48 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh well. |
| 18:44.04 | macnewbold | how can you tell, lw? |
| 18:44.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Have a friend inside who just tried to connect and wasn't able to. |
| 18:44.22 | Lone_Wanderer | heh, "inside" |
| 18:44.44 | fungus | When is his parole? |
| 18:44.49 | fungus | :) |
| 18:45.17 | Lone_Wanderer | Her, and probably never. |
| 18:46.40 | macnewbold | I bet an ssh tunnel would do the trick... |
| 18:47.46 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm sure it would, but she's worried about getting fired for it. |
| 18:48.14 | macnewbold | yeah, that's definitely a concern at work :) |
| 18:48.29 | macnewbold | if IRC is against the policies, then it wouldn't be a great idea whether they firewall it or not |
| 18:48.39 | Lone_Wanderer | Definitely a concern in the COB, too. |
| 18:48.44 | macnewbold | but if they firewall it (specifically) then circumventing it probably isn't wise |
| 18:49.02 | macnewbold | I bet thebigdog has some comments on that... |
| 18:49.03 | Lone_Wanderer | I figure that the firewall preventing it indicates that it's against policy. |
| 18:49.09 | macnewbold | yep |
| 18:51.21 | fungus | Did I mention how I love ssh -D? |
| 18:52.15 | wps | what's the difference between that and -p? |
| 18:52.51 | fungus | example: `ssh -D 8080 myserver` |
| 18:53.06 | wps | I do that with ssh -p 3832 myserver |
| 18:53.09 | wps | same thing? |
| 18:53.12 | fungus | It creates a SOCKS proxy on localhost that can be used with any client. |
| 18:53.18 | wps | ah |
| 18:53.27 | wps | like a session of sorts? |
| 18:53.30 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.30 | fungus | Set your browser to use the proxy on localhost:8080, instant bypass of company filters. |
| 18:53.34 | mgeary | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:53.54 | fungus | Set your IRC client to use the SOCK proxy on localhost, instant access to IRC. |
| 18:54.13 | fungus | s/SOCK/SOCKS/ |
| 18:54.16 | tierra | I thought that was less of a proxy, and more of just a tunnel |
| 18:54.43 | fungus | -D actually runs a SOCKS proxy. -L and -R are for tunneling specific ports |
| 18:54.50 | tierra | ah |
| 18:55.15 | fungus | But if you clients support a SOCKS proxy, -D is much simpler. |
| 18:56.18 | Lone_Wanderer | ~seen wps |
| 18:56.29 | jbot | wps is currently on #byumug (3h 43m 5s) #utah (3h 43m 5s) #uphpu (3h 43m 5s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 3m 2s, last said: 'like a session of sorts?'. |
| 18:56.31 | Lone_Wanderer | Oh, he's right there. What's up with the guy in Singapore? |
| 18:56.47 | wps | it is my friend's parents… they cannot see my server |
| 18:57.18 | Lone_Wanderer | And your server isn't blocking anything from outside the country, as far as you know? |
| 18:57.36 | wps | as far as I know |
| 18:58.23 | Lone_Wanderer | What message does he get? |
| 18:58.29 | Lone_Wanderer | Just "server not found"? |
| 18:59.12 | wps | not sure |
| 18:59.20 | wps | I have to ask them to provide more details |
| 18:59.22 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 18:59.43 | Lone_Wanderer | just have him do the traceroute |
| 19:00.20 | fungus | "Server not found" is different from "Connection failed" |
| 19:01.08 | Lone_Wanderer | Clearly ;) |
| 19:02.10 | fungus | Unfortunately ARIN has been allocating new blocks in the past year or so that used to be in the bogon range. Many ISPs don't update their bogon range frequently. |
| 19:03.09 | fungus | Another possibility is there are some over-zealous admins in the world that think they can just block a whole continent just because they get a whole lotta spam from China. |
| 19:03.55 | fungus | Either way, the only way to pinpoint the problem is with a traceroute. |
| 19:04.22 | Lone_Wanderer | It'd be kind of silly of them to block port 80 though, innit? |
| 19:04.48 | Lone_Wanderer | I mean it's possible that someone might, but that'd be seriously overzealous. |
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| 19:07.07 | fungus | I have seen many ISP's block *all* traffic from huge regions. Especially regions in Asia. |
| 19:08.05 | fungus | Yes, there are some freak-a-zoid ISP admins in the world. |
| 19:11.28 | wps | anyone seen the new dexonline? |
| 19:11.33 | wps | feels very web 2.0 |
| 19:12.21 | wps | I find it interesting how everyone wants to look the same right now |
| 19:13.23 | Lone_Wanderer | fungus: that's nuts, I've never heard of that. |
| 19:14.01 | Lone_Wanderer | I guess my experience at Verio was kind of unique. They probably controlled a large portion of the networks that our customer's traffic traveled over. |
| 19:14.13 | Lone_Wanderer | But I never ran into anyone blocking all traffic from certain countries. |
| 19:15.47 | fungus | Most of the time it is by neglect, (old bogon lists). But sometimes it is total freaks. |
| 19:16.09 | fungus | The presenter at last months SLLUG meeting was one of these total freaks. |
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| 19:29.54 | brasto | wps, is doba.com a fully lamp environment? |
| 19:31.10 | Lone_Wanderer | yo, brasto |
| 19:31.32 | Lone_Wanderer | when are we getting together today? |
| 19:38.57 | Lone_Wanderer | We're now using NetSuite. |
| 19:39.19 | Lone_Wanderer | That means we get to duplicate all of our customer information - once in our billing/provisioning/etc. database, once in NetSuite. |
| 19:40.12 | Lone_Wanderer | This is of course in addition to the duplication in the database that manages the VoIP switch, and the database that tracks actual minute usage. |
| 19:42.38 | brasto | Lone_Wanderer, what time works for you? I'm still off all day. |
| 19:42.42 | mgeary | huzzah! my MacBookPro has returned from Apple |
| 19:42.54 | Lone_Wanderer | brasto: you in Provo/Orem or SLC? |
| 19:42.59 | brasto | Orem |
| 19:43.20 | brasto | close to Gold's Gym on 8th N |
| 19:45.21 | Lone_Wanderer | ahh. later would be better then, as I'm currently in Salt Lake. |
| 19:45.54 | brasto | right. it would be best for me as well |
| 19:46.34 | brasto | jbot, where is wps? |
| 19:46.43 | jbot | I think you lost me on that one, brasto |
| 19:47.21 | Lone_Wanderer | ~seen wps |
| 19:47.33 | jbot | wps is currently on #byumug (4h 34m 9s) #utah (4h 34m 9s) #uphpu (4h 34m 9s). Has said a total of 13 messages. Is idling for 35m 12s, last said: 'I find it interesting how everyone wants to look the same right now'. |
| 19:47.42 | mgeary | jbot: would you pick me up a Nacho Supreme from Taco Bell for lunch? |
| 19:48.38 | mgeary | hehehehe |
| 19:49.03 | mgeary | no, he's just stuck in the drive-thru |
| 19:49.26 | mindjuju | thx for the heads up on the rave |
| 19:50.27 | Lone_Wanderer | the rave? |
| 19:50.27 | mgeary | alright, i've got a PHP issue |
| 19:50.40 | mgeary | i'm storing an array in mysql using serialize |
| 19:50.57 | mgeary | slashes are being automatically added to array values |
| 19:51.23 | mgeary | is there a way to strip slashes from the entire array without iterating? I'm guessing no... |
| 19:51.53 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah, you can do it recursively ;) |
| 19:52.01 | mindjuju | http://skillsdjworkshop.com/pop07/ |
| 19:52.21 | fungus | http://us2.php.net/strip_slashes |
| 19:52.25 | Lone_Wanderer | you can als... yeah, that |
| 19:52.34 | Lone_Wanderer | but I don't know if it'll iterate over the array for you |
| 19:52.44 | mgeary | right. i know about strip_slashes |
| 19:53.01 | fungus | Note: stripslashes() is not recursive. If you want to apply this function to a mutli-dimensional array, you need to use a recursive function. |
| 19:53.37 | mgeary | exactly the hassle i'm trying to avoid |
| 19:53.39 | mgeary | ah well |
| 19:54.27 | fungus | Example 2 on that page isn't terribly bad. |
| 19:55.04 | Lone_Wanderer | Writing a recursive function is a hassle? |
| 19:55.09 | mgeary | nah |
| 19:55.23 | fungus | oh wait, that is for multi-dimensional arrays. If it isn't multi-dimensional just use array_map |
| 19:55.26 | mgeary | splicing a function into my app at this point is the hassle |
| 19:56.00 | fungus | $me = array_map('stripslashes',$me); |
| 19:58.13 | mgeary | actually, this appears to be the root of the problem. mysql_real_escape_string appears to convert this: "my dog's name is fred" to "my dog\'s name is fred". It'd be nice if the escaped value used double-apostrophes instead ("my dog''s name is fred") |
| 19:59.31 | thebigdog | ~wake mindjuju |
| 19:59.32 | jbot | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on mindjuju and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
| 19:59.37 | mindjuju | sup yo |
| 20:00.19 | Lone_Wanderer | Just reading that makes me cold. |
| 20:03.24 | brasto | mgeary, use html_entities |
| 20:03.43 | brasto | and put the constant in to convert single and double quote marks |
| 20:04.21 | mgeary | brasto: not always dealing with html display, so i'd rather not. I think i've got a workaround, though. Just doing a str_replace after the mysql_real_escape_string |
| 20:04.30 | mgeary | $value = str_replace("\\\\\'","''",$value); |
| 20:04.49 | brasto | you can use html entity decode for output when it's not html output |
| 20:13.08 | fungus | sweet, the last customer we had using PHP3 finally got their $h1t together. |
| 20:13.23 | fungus | I can now remove PHP3 w00t! |
| 20:14.33 | thebigdog | gratz |
| 20:14.39 | mindjuju | wps, you around? |
| 20:14.48 | wps | always and forever |
| 20:15.28 | mindjuju | hey, was going to ask if you think we should shoot an email to the list to remind everybody that this month's meet is with OALUG on the 27th and not the normally scheduled at BGM |
| 20:15.39 | wps | yeah |
| 20:15.40 | wps | good |
| 20:15.41 | wps | call |
| 20:15.43 | wps | I'll |
| 20:15.43 | wps | shoot |
| 20:15.44 | wps | now |
| 20:15.47 | mindjuju | k |
| 20:16.05 | wps | anyone have any friends that do EDM machinging and can hook me up? |
| 20:20.00 | mgeary | "Electrical Discharge Machining" ? |
| 20:21.16 | wps | yup |
| 20:21.20 | wps | sorry for the redundancy |
| 20:21.48 | thebigdog | yeah i got some kovar and inconel at home in the basement |
| 20:22.22 | wps | people that molest children should be shot immediately |
| 20:23.53 | fungus | or at least castrated without anesthesia. |
| 20:27.58 | Lone_Wanderer | Really? |
| 20:28.33 | Lone_Wanderer | What about the guy whose attraction to children appeared to be tied to a tumor in his brain, and got better when the tumor was removed? |
| 20:28.39 | brasto | unfortunately, castration does not stop the problem. it's often a power issue more than a sexual one. |
| 20:29.05 | brasto | my BS degree was a social science degree - that was part of my studies. |
| 20:29.15 | Lone_Wanderer | What about the many people who are able to successfuly complete treatment and return to society? |
| 20:29.29 | fungus | Yes, but I bet anyone that goes through castration is going to think twice about doing it again. |
| 20:29.37 | Lone_Wanderer | You would be incorrect. |
| 20:29.47 | Lone_Wanderer | Punishment is not an effective crime deterrent. |
| 20:30.14 | fungus | Ok, then castrate them, and put them in prison for life. |
| 20:30.20 | brasto | lol |
| 20:30.20 | Lone_Wanderer | In fact, castration would be likely to make the person more angry and resentful, and anger is one of the primary motivations for sex offenses. |
| 20:30.51 | brasto | Lone_Wanderer has hit the nail on the head |
| 20:31.18 | Lone_Wanderer | control, revenge, anger, and power - aka CRAP. |
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| 20:31.56 | brasto | back to the repentant ones - they might change, but they might not. forgive them, but keep them in prison or at least away from your kids, forever. |
| 20:32.18 | fungus | Ok, I am ok with that. But castration would be fun too. |
| 20:32.35 | brasto | fungus: not for the doctor doing it... |
| 20:32.50 | Lone_Wanderer | It may make you feel better. |
| 20:32.53 | Lone_Wanderer | Briefly. |
| 20:32.56 | fungus | doctor, who needs him. Have Joe security guard do it. |
| 20:32.59 | dataw0lf | just remove them from society |
| 20:33.06 | dataw0lf | who cares about whether or not they can get better |
| 20:33.10 | dataw0lf | I don't. |
| 20:33.17 | dataw0lf | I doubt if their victims do either |
| 20:33.18 | mgeary | speaking of doctors and castration, did you read about that doctor in Romania that got angry while in surgery? (not a joke) |
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| 20:33.29 | Lone_Wanderer | What would be more satisfying, I suspect, would be to put them in a situation where they are brought to realize the full extent of their crimes. |
| 20:33.36 | dataw0lf | mgeary: Indeed, I did. |
| 20:33.38 | dataw0lf | Fark? |
| 20:33.39 | wps | thebigdog: can I be Ironman now? |
| 20:33.42 | fungus | lol, have the victims parents do it, they might enjoy it. |
| 20:33.53 | mgeary | http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article.html?in_article_id=33257&in_page_id=2 |
| 20:33.57 | mgeary | NSFW |
| 20:34.00 | mgeary | (entirely) |
| 20:34.04 | Lone_Wanderer | fungus: weren't you advocating "not acting like animals" just yesterday? |
| 20:34.10 | dataw0lf | heh |
| 20:34.12 | dataw0lf | hehe |
| 20:34.13 | dataw0lf | HAHAHA |
| 20:34.24 | fungus | lol, yes. |
| 20:34.41 | fungus | Of course I am kidding about castration, but it sounds funny. |
| 20:34.47 | Lone_Wanderer | I don't think it does. |
| 20:35.05 | dataw0lf | I wouldn't need a legal system to allow me to castrate anyone who molested my children |
| 20:35.10 | dataw0lf | you can take that to the bank |
| 20:35.13 | Lone_Wanderer | brasto: No, but I've known several sex offenders personally, and have been involved in their treatment. |
| 20:35.14 | brasto | fungus: actually, parents are healed quicker when they forgive the purp. |
| 20:36.03 | dataw0lf | parents are healed quicker when they forgive *roll of eyes* |
| 20:36.11 | Lone_Wanderer | It's true. |
| 20:36.20 | dataw0lf | you obviously haven't made a hobby out of revenge like me |
| 20:36.50 | fungus | Sex offenders are definitely going to have a hard time in their next life, but child molesters deserve a special place in the depths of hell |
| 20:37.24 | Lone_Wanderer | fungus: if you believe in heaven and hell, don't you also believe in "Judge not lest thou be judged"? |
| 20:38.00 | fungus | no, actually I don't believe in heaven and hell, it is a metaphor for their Karmic consequences in the next life. |
| 20:38.29 | dataw0lf | well, doesn't Karmic beliefs have something similar? |
| 20:38.32 | dataw0lf | don't* |
| 20:38.42 | dataw0lf | I mean, I think that's the whole basis of Karmic beliefs, really. |
| 20:39.02 | Lone_Wanderer | I just happen to be more in favor of having compassion for people who make unfortunate mistakes than in taking revenge upon them to make yourself feel better. |
| 20:39.06 | fungus | Kind of, yes. That is why i used the term hell. It was easier for everyone to understand. |
| 20:39.16 | Lone_Wanderer | Good thing you dumbed it down for us. |
| 20:39.50 | brasto | some of the best research on incest indicates that: |
| 20:39.50 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.51 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.51 | brasto | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:39.54 | fungus | I didn't want to focus on my beliefs, but only my point that child molesters are terrible. |
| 20:40.37 | brasto | they are, so keep them away from your kids, but be nice to them |
| 20:40.38 | Lone_Wanderer | I think it would be more accurate to say that child molestation is terrible, and that child molesters are humans with serious, deep-seated issues that need to be addressed by competent and caring professionals, rather than treated as something less than human. |
| 20:41.11 | fungus | Lone_Wanderer: I agree that compassion is more important than revenge. However they will get their "justice" in the end. |
| 20:42.25 | brasto | the above points on forgiveness have interesting implications for almost any religion: Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jainism, Buddhism, and more. All teach forgiving others, even enemies for some of them. |
| 20:42.55 | fungus | I agree about compassion, however I (personally) have difficulty when it comes to child molesters. |
| 20:43.51 | fungus | brasto: I agree, but I am not perfect. Child molesters are one group that I have yet to be able to forgive. |
| 20:44.48 | fungus | I have met 3 child molesters, and not a single one of them actually admits responsibility, and feels remorse. |
| 20:45.28 | Lone_Wanderer | In order to do something like that, you've got to construct all sorts of mental smoke and mirrors |
| 20:46.35 | Lone_Wanderer | to allow yourself to believe that what you're doing is justified |
| 20:46.35 | Lone_Wanderer | breaking through all of that to get the person to accept that what they've done is unspeakably horrible is a difficult task |
| 20:46.35 | fungus | How can I forgive someone who doesn't accept responsibility for their own actions. |
| 20:46.47 | wps | I am so dang sick of ActiveX and stupid applications that only work in MSIE |
| 20:46.51 | Lone_Wanderer | but when the offender finally realizes what they've done, faces their victim (if possible) and begs forgiveness, it's a more effective detterent than anything else I know of. |
| 20:46.52 | fungus | When they get past the difficult task, maybe then, but only after that could I forgive them. |
| 20:47.07 | wps | developers that develop for only one browser should be shot |
| 20:47.27 | Lone_Wanderer | It also, FYI, is a much harsher punishment than anything that anyone else could do to them. |
| 20:48.26 | Lone_Wanderer | Even worse is when they redirect you if you're using a browser that they didn't develop for. |
| 20:49.59 | brasto | lol |
| 20:50.07 | wps | platic/ |
| 20:50.08 | wps | ? |
| 20:50.26 | brasto | they don't kill, they just hurt a lot |
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| 20:50.42 | wps | nah… that's not good enough |
| 20:50.53 | wps | if they aren't going to be shot, then they should be casterated |
| 20:51.04 | mgeary | break; |
| 20:51.08 | Lone_Wanderer | what about castorated? |
| 20:51.13 | Lone_Wanderer | like, making them drink castor oil |
| 20:51.20 | mgeary | (trying to get out of this endless loop) |
| 20:51.20 | brasto | fungus, part of the research above showed that abused individuals were more fully healed when they forgave the perp even if the perp admitted nothing. |
| 20:51.22 | mgeary | ;_ |
| 20:51.25 | wps | no, just casterated |
| 20:51.36 | wps | :) |
| 20:52.33 | brasto | however, i hear you that it is very difficult to forgive child perps |
| 20:53.10 | Lone_Wanderer | Of course. If you forgive, you can move on. If you don't, you stay angry about it until you do. In essence, by not forgiving them, you're choosing to allow what they did to keep affecting you. |
| 20:53.44 | fungus | Geez, I seem to have found myself on the side of the fence I am not used to being on. :) |
| 20:54.15 | fungus | I am usually the hippie, new-age, happy, person. |
| 20:54.21 | brasto | lol |
| 20:55.56 | Lone_Wanderer | I'm usually the angry malcontent. |
| 20:57.09 | Lone_Wanderer | witness: http://gracewanderer.livejournal.com/100764.html (top paragraph) |
| 21:00.30 | brasto | perhaps this will lighten everyone's mood: |
| 21:00.32 | brasto | <http://info.org.il/irrelevant/may02-smilepop-soapbox4.swf> |
| 21:01.13 | brasto | the dude even steps on a soapbox... |
| 21:03.22 | thebigdog | wps um...no! |
| 21:03.28 | wps | arrg |
| 21:04.55 | fungus | arg, Flash? |
| 21:05.12 | wps | ~flash |
| 21:05.21 | wps | ~flash gordon |
| 21:05.22 | jbot | ACTION starts a firmware update on gordon, then pulls the plug halfway through |
| 21:05.31 | wps | ha ha |
| 21:07.17 | thebigdog | ~copy wps |
| 21:07.27 | wps | I'm flattered |
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| 21:20.03 | brasto | i'm not a big flash fan either, but this one's worth viewing. |
| 21:20.39 | Utah_Dave | never again |
| 21:21.48 | fungus | I haven't installed flash yet on this box. I plan to keep this one 100% Free. I will be installing Gnash sometime, but haven't just yet. |
| 21:28.11 | brasto | anyone know of a flash conversion utility? I'll convert it... |
| 21:30.39 | fungus | don |
| 21:31.24 | fungus | don't worry, it probably isn't worth it. I can just use a different machine. |
| 21:36.05 | thebigdog | flash2txt |
| 21:36.17 | thebigdog | flash2ascii |
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| 21:41.52 | thebigdog | brasto joking...but you can use mencoder (mplayer) to convert flash to mpeg video |
| 21:41.59 | brasto | flash2txt and flash2ascii probably wouldn't work for this - it's an audio/video thing |
| 21:42.12 | brasto | ah... |
| 21:42.54 | brasto | cool, i'll probably try the conversion later today when i boot to Linux |
| 21:43.39 | brasto | does cole joplin use freenode irc? |
| 21:44.15 | thebigdog | something like this: mencoder <flashfile> -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=1000:mbd=2:v4mv:autoaspect -vf pp=1b -oac mp3lame -lameopts fast:preset=standard -o <output>.avi |
| 21:45.05 | brasto | .avi is worse - being windows media player proprietary - isn't it? |
| 21:46.17 | thebigdog | its is a container format |
| 21:46.36 | brasto | container format? |
| 21:46.44 | brasto | ~container |
| 21:46.54 | macnewbold | it wraps many different potential encodings |
| 21:47.19 | macnewbold | a lot of things can read avi, but it also depends on them being able to read the mpeg4 or divx or whatever else you put inside it |
| 21:47.34 | thebigdog | beandog wrote most of this -> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mencoder_Introduction_Guide |
| 21:47.41 | thebigdog | good little tutorial |
| 21:47.45 | brasto | interesting, i'll have to read up on that. thanks for the link |
| 21:47.49 | beandog | :) |
| 21:48.03 | brasto | ta-ta for now. |
| 21:48.09 | beandog | AVI is created by ms, but its actually pretty open |
| 21:48.22 | beandog | its deprecated but the most supported |
| 21:55.05 | bradym | so if you are using avi, you still have to encode the video using mpg, divx or whatever? |
| 21:55.23 | macnewbold | yes, it will put it inside the avi labeled as whatever codec you used |
| 21:55.26 | macnewbold | iirc |
| 21:55.37 | dataw0lf | AVI is terrible |
| 21:55.53 | bradym | so, what's the point of using avi if you can just do mpg or something? |
| 21:55.58 | dataw0lf | there is none |
| 21:56.07 | dataw0lf | use Matroska or MP4 |
| 21:59.00 | bradym | ok, i see that Matroska is a video container as well.. i guess i should have asked what's the purpose of a video container? is that just another way of saying video format? |
| 21:59.48 | Utah_Dave | a video container holds the video and the audio together, so that the program playing the video doesn't have to keep track of both of them. |
| 22:00.00 | dataw0lf | no, a video container interleaves the sound and video |
| 22:00.05 | dataw0lf | right, what Utah_Dave said |
| 22:01.01 | bradym | ahh.. ok... so if you had an mpg with video and an mp3 with audio you'd use a video container to combine them into one file? |
| 22:01.35 | dataw0lf | correct |
| 22:01.58 | dataw0lf | it's not really a 'video container', that's a misnomer. 'container format' is a better term. |
| 22:03.16 | bradym | ok.. thanks.. been wondering about that for awhile |
| 22:05.52 | macnewbold | some formats hold audio and video together, without any special container around them |
| 22:05.58 | macnewbold | like an .mpg file |
| 22:06.00 | macnewbold | right? |
| 22:06.42 | beandog | well mpeg is a container |
| 22:06.48 | beandog | it just cant hold as many AS avi, mkv, etc. |
| 22:06.58 | beandog | Which is why we have Matroska, for one reason |
| 22:07.06 | beandog | Because AVI cant hold Theora (without hacks) |
| 22:07.07 | beandog | etc. |
| 22:07.19 | beandog | And thats why we have WMV, which can also hold more stuff, has more features. |
| 22:07.31 | beandog | By far, Matroska wins on features though (for now). You can cram all kinds of crap in there. |
| 22:07.45 | beandog | dvd menus, subtitles, images, attachments, multiple audio and video streams, etc. |
| 22:08.48 | beandog | Ogg is another container |
| 22:08.52 | beandog | Vorbis is actually the audio codec |
| 22:09.01 | beandog | So you have Ogg Theora|Vorbis|FLAC |
| 22:15.42 | bradym | thanks for the info, this stuff is very interesting to me.. i'd love to get into video editing.. |
| 22:17.04 | mgeary | heheh. well, if you got into *real* video editing, i'd wager you'd spend 95+% of your time in QuickTime, not Ogg/FLAC/Whatever ;) |
| 22:17.05 | dataw0lf | yea, me too. If I was artistic at all. |
| 22:17.38 | beandog | yah, as far as *editing* goes, there arent many tools on Linux to work with |
| 22:17.40 | beandog | converting, yah. |
| 22:18.09 | bradym | yeah, the artistic part is a problem for me too... |
| 22:18.22 | mgeary | AFAIK, *all* pro systems are QuickTime-based |
| 22:18.42 | mgeary | Apple's been buying up high-end video software makers like they're going out of style |
| 22:18.44 | dataw0lf | yes, yes, let's hear all the macwhores talk about the one thing their system is good at |
| 22:18.48 | dataw0lf | besides breaking windows |
| 22:19.02 | bradym | lol |
| 22:19.03 | mgeary | :D |
| 22:19.17 | macnewbold | ~clue dataw0lf |
| 22:19.21 | jbot | ACTION fans out Vegas-style a stack of clues for dataw0lf "Pick one, any one! ...and don't show it to me." |
| 22:19.35 | macnewbold | the mac is going to help in the downfall of windows, so don't knock it |
| 22:19.44 | macnewbold | ~dataw0lf |
| 22:19.45 | jbot | hmm... dataw0lf is sleeping again, or da supahstah, or a dink, or #utah's number one troll, or known by his full title: dataw0lf, Destroyer of Newbies, Troll of the Seas of IRC, God of All that is Technical, etc, etc, or a lamer as per "~nickometer dataw0lf", or stderr |
| 22:19.52 | dataw0lf | I'm not eager to see the fall of Windows if it means we get Steve Jobs instead of Bill Gates |
| 22:20.25 | beandog | cmon dataw0lf, you know we cant wait to see you in tight jeans and a turtle neck |
| 22:20.28 | macnewbold | I'd take Jobs over Gates I think... at least Jobs' company (a) does some good stuff, and (b) isn't Completely Evil |
| 22:20.35 | macnewbold | eww |
| 22:20.53 | mgeary | (c) isn't a complete sell-out to big-business interests |
| 22:20.59 | dataw0lf | I'm more inclined to trust people looking to destroy my community, rather than absorb it into their corporate lying arms. |
| 22:21.10 | mgeary | have you read the spec sheets about DRM on Vista? Holy crap |
| 22:21.16 | dataw0lf | Steve Jobs isn't a complete sell out to big business interests? |
| 22:21.19 | dataw0lf | hyuck hyuck hyuck |
| 22:21.29 | mgeary | compare with DRM in iTunes |
| 22:21.43 | mgeary | who's the bigger sell-out? |
| 22:21.58 | fungus | To be honest I think Steve Jobs would be just as bad, if he was in Gates' place. |
| 22:22.09 | mgeary | http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.html |
| 22:22.13 | dataw0lf | you're going to compare DRMs to support Jobs? |
| 22:22.14 | fungus | Look at the iPhone... Doesn't allow user-installable software. |
| 22:22.23 | dataw0lf | look at OS X |
| 22:23.20 | fungus | Right now Jobs is less evil than Gates, but only because it makes him look better to the anti-ms guys. |
| 22:24.12 | mgeary | hey, i dislike DRM, but i'm certainly gonna vote for the DRM that a) doesn't cripple my system, and b) i can get around |
| 22:24.12 | dataw0lf | Jobs is 'less evil' because he has a smaller market share |
| 22:24.13 | dataw0lf | you can get around any DRM, give me a break |
| 22:24.18 | dataw0lf | but Jobs has the added 'benefit' of being a marketing whore. |
| 22:24.26 | dataw0lf | and marketers are truly the worst kind of people. |
| 22:24.30 | dataw0lf | And y'all feed into it! |
| 22:24.43 | dataw0lf | now, the Woz, I be loving the Woz. |
| 22:27.31 | fungus | I am surprised Woz didn't get into the Free Software movement in a big way. |
| 22:27.53 | mgeary | he's too busy helping disabled kids |
| 22:28.05 | dataw0lf | I think Jobs scared him away from ever working in a technical field with other people again |
| 22:29.32 | fungus | that is possible. |
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| 22:31.17 | Lone_Wanderer | jbot: iproduct is http://cache.gizmodo.com/gadgets/images/iProduct.gif |
| 22:31.18 | jbot | okay, Lone_Wanderer |
| 22:31.30 | fungus | lol, that is funny. |
| 22:32.01 | Lone_Wanderer | It's funny because it's true. |
| 22:32.10 | fungus | I do strongly admire Apple's innovations, but I hate their non-free licenses. |
| 22:32.30 | dataw0lf | what innovations, besides design and marketing? |
| 22:33.14 | mgeary | ...and usability |
| 22:33.18 | dataw0lf | Apple steals products, and markets them well. Microsoft steals products, and sells them on the cheap. |
| 22:33.20 | beandog | fungus: agreed |
| 22:33.23 | dataw0lf | usability? |
| 22:33.35 | mgeary | look, i like the CLI as much as the next guy |
| 22:33.35 | dataw0lf | I can barely use OS X from the command line, it's like pulling teeth. |
| 22:33.51 | mgeary | but there's now WAY you're gonna get the general population using a CLI |
| 22:34.07 | dataw0lf | usability isn't necessarily pretty menus. |
| 22:34.08 | dataw0lf | that's design. |
| 22:34.19 | mgeary | not talking "prettiness" |
| 22:34.29 | dataw0lf | Google, they create innovative strategies regarding usability. |
| 22:34.30 | mgeary | talking about "the OS doesn't get in my way" |
| 22:34.31 | dataw0lf | Not Apple. |
| 22:34.35 | mgeary | bah |
| 22:34.39 | dataw0lf | OS X gets in my way all the time. |
| 22:34.47 | mgeary | compared to Windows?? |
| 22:34.55 | dataw0lf | Yes. |
| 22:34.57 | mgeary | i can give my Grandma OS X |
| 22:35.09 | dataw0lf | I gave my grandma Windows. |
| 22:35.27 | dataw0lf | Since both of our grandmas probably use one or two applications, this doesn't really matter from a 'usability' standpoint. |
| 22:35.34 | dataw0lf | Since in Windows, I throw some icons on a desktop |
| 22:35.37 | dataw0lf | You throw yours on a dock. |
| 22:35.42 | dataw0lf | There's no difference. |
| 22:36.02 | mgeary | aaah. you've convinced me. you're right. |
| 22:36.07 | mgeary | :P |
| 22:36.14 | dataw0lf | If you can cite specific examples of usability in Mac OS X, I'll examine them. |
| 22:38.24 | mgeary | nah, i'm too lazy to dig some up, and i don't really care if you prefer OS X over other operating systems. But i have tried more OSes that i'd care to try again, and am very happy with OS X. |
| 22:38.38 | mgeary | and am full of loathing for Windows |
| 22:39.06 | mgeary | since i only deal with other *nix OSes via CLI, i exempt them from my analysis |
| 22:39.17 | dataw0lf | Ok, then. |
| 22:42.09 | mgeary | do any of you guys use xdebug extensively? |
| 22:42.50 | mgeary | i love it, but wish i could specify how much recursion it does on "var_dump()" |
| 22:44.37 | fungus | xdebug, no. recursion on var_dump() I agree. I want to control that too. If you find out let me know. |
| 22:45.02 | mgeary | xdebug has a "max_nesting_level" constraint. <checking> |
| 22:45.17 | mgeary | FWIW, xdebug is super useful and easy to implement |
| 22:45.31 | mgeary | can you say "stack trace"? :) |
| 22:46.02 | dataw0lf | max_nesting_level is to prevent infinite recursion in nested functions |
| 22:46.08 | mgeary | yeah |
| 22:46.11 | fungus | I have a few of my own debugging functions that do things like stack trace, logging, etc. |
| 22:46.11 | mgeary | seeing that now |
| 22:53.59 | Lone_Wanderer | dataw0lf: how can I make a Python program bind to a port and run as a service? |
| 22:54.32 | dataw0lf | use socket |
| 22:54.35 | Lone_Wanderer | ok |
| 22:54.37 | dataw0lf | the module |
| 22:54.39 | Lone_Wanderer | yeah |
| 22:54.51 | dataw0lf | s = socket.socket(socket.AF_INET, socket.SOCK_STREAM) |
| 22:55.00 | dataw0lf | s.bind((somehost, someport)) |
| 22:55.04 | dataw0lf | s.listen(1) |
| 22:55.12 | dataw0lf | c, a = s.accept() |
| 22:55.15 | mgeary | or use Twisted :) |
| 22:55.17 | dataw0lf | then do a while |
| 22:55.25 | dataw0lf | Twisted is crap. |
| 22:55.33 | dataw0lf | Or you could use xinetd/inetd |
| 22:55.35 | mgeary | hahahaha. i knew that'd evoke a reaction |
| 22:56.07 | dataw0lf | http://docs.python.org/lib/socket-example.html |
| 22:56.18 | Lone_Wanderer | and getting it to run as a service (i.e. come back when the server reboots) is just a matter of adding a startup script in the rc.d directory, right? |
| 22:57.12 | dataw0lf | correct. |
| 22:57.17 | Lone_Wanderer | k cool |
| 22:59.48 | fungus | dataw0lf: in that example wouldn't the program exit after the first connection is finished? |
| 23:00.23 | dataw0lf | "then do a while" |
| 23:00.38 | fungus | ok, that is what I thought. Just had to make sure. |
| 23:04.31 | fungus | Using inetd would be simpler. |
| 23:04.41 | Lone_Wanderer | Hey, nobody's stopping you from writing a practice script. |
| 23:05.18 | Lone_Wanderer | You can use inetd to write a script that binds to a port and all that? |
| 23:05.25 | Lone_Wanderer | I thought you could only use inetd to register services or whatnot. |
| 23:05.37 | dataw0lf | inetd acts as a daemon proxy |
| 23:05.45 | fungus | inetd handles all the connection stuff. You just deal with stdin and stdout |
| 23:05.55 | Lone_Wanderer | cool |
| 23:06.09 | dataw0lf | it listens on ports and then starts your script when a connection is made to the assigned ones. |
| 23:06.14 | Lone_Wanderer | ahhh |
| 23:06.19 | fungus | but IMHO it wouldn't be good for high traffic/performance stuff. |
| 23:06.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Well this is just messing around. |
| 23:06.44 | dataw0lf | nah, just for real lightweight user input stuff. |
| 23:06.44 | Lone_Wanderer | Maybe I'll try both. |
| 23:08.11 | fungus | maybe I'll write a daemon to just cat the file specified by the path you send it. :) |
| 23:15.33 | Lone_Wanderer | What if it doesn't have permission to read it? |
| 23:16.08 | dataw0lf | hey, that's why you add a superbit! |
| 23:16.10 | dataw0lf | >_< |
| 23:17.11 | fungus | permission? It'll just run as root. Never have to worry about permissions then. |
| 23:17.16 | Lone_Wanderer | sweet |
| 23:18.30 | fungus | No more worrying about authentication, permissions, etc. The new alternative to SFTP. |
| 23:19.05 | dataw0lf | yea, authentication is sooo 20th century. The hackers are gonna get us anyway, rite?! |
| 23:19.05 | fungus | I'll be famous for developing the best new file transfer protocol. |
| 23:19.31 | fungus | hackers? what are they? |
| 23:19.51 | fungus | privacy? what's that? |
| 23:20.14 | dataw0lf | it's what the terrorists are going to use against us! |
| 23:20.14 | fungus | Users will love it. |
| 23:20.16 | dataw0lf | Ruuuuuun! |
| 23:22.56 | Lone_Wanderer | What's the atime record? |
| 23:23.16 | dataw0lf | last time it was accessed |
| 23:23.40 | Lone_Wanderer | k |
| 23:23.52 | mgeary | well, it was fun folks. i'll see you tomorrow |
| 23:23.53 | *** part/#uphpu mgeary (n=mgeary@166.70.44.49) |
| 23:56.00 | beandog | I thought there was a regexp special char for just [A-Za-z] |
| 23:56.50 | macnewbold | beandog: \w or [[:alpha:]] might be what you mean |
| 23:56.50 | beandog | oh well. |
| 23:56.58 | beandog | \w does alphanumeric |
| 23:56.59 | macnewbold | [a-z] with a /i at the end is too |
| 23:57.01 | beandog | I think. |
| 23:57.02 | macnewbold | true |
| 23:57.07 | macnewbold | word chars, yes |
